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Posted by: han2503 Dec 13 2010, 11:13 PM

Here goes, this is the big one before the break, we win this and we're in the firm driving seat going into the new year.

Rino and Zambro are out, so we'll be missing a lot of important players for this one. How ironic is it that Rino gets injured when Flamini is out as well

How I think we'll line up

Not too keen on having Seedorf play there, but at this point we don't really have much of a choice, plus when we're defending Boateng will most likely be dropping back to form a 4 man midfield while Robinho becomes the link between the midfield and Zlatan

Posted by: X-Offender Dec 13 2010, 11:44 PM

That's definitely gonna be the line-up, though we'll have to see how and where Allegri is willing to play Boateng.

Posted by: servbot Dec 13 2010, 11:49 PM

Why not switch Boateng and Seedorf? or with Pirlo?

Posted by: Dracoris Dec 14 2010, 12:39 AM

Allegri said a lot of positive things about Strasser, and he is more of a natural sub for Rino than Seedorf. Never know.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Dec 14 2010, 12:51 AM

Hmh, I wouldn't push the boy in fire already. I'd stick with Seedorf in this one. It's not that Roma has a super-fast midfield.

Posted by: CHU-LIP Dec 14 2010, 01:07 AM

No way that's going to be the midfield. It will either be:or:I am hoping for the latter. I like the Boateng-Pirlo combo supported by two more defending midfielders. Playing Seedorf as Gattuso's sub, gives a lack of defensive power I'd say. And we don't need Seedorf's creativity with Pirlo in midfield already. Strasser makes more sense as Gattuso's replacement, and I know it's Roma (and that's exactly why we need a more defensive midfielder), but whenever Strasser played, he showed good things. Don't ruin the tactics by having no faith in youth. Playing Seedorf as Gattuso's replacement, you can easily call that a gamble too, so...

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Dec 14 2010, 01:41 AM

Mhm...I don't think so. Why?

1) Allegri has a habit of repeating things is they work in one occasion. Boateng started against Brescia and Bologna as a AM and scored. While a coach like Carlo or Sacchi would drop this experiment because Roma is a different thing, I doubt Allegri will do it. He'll stick with Boateng as AM, knowing him.

2) "But whenever Strasser played, he showed good things" - sounds good, but you have to mention that whenever in this case means 1-2 matches per season against weak oposition and at a point where the match is already decided. I think Strasser wasn't really under pressure against Bologna. I have faith in youth, but all things must come in a certain time, and right now, I'm not so sure it's the time to bring him in as a starter.

Posted by: CHU-LIP Dec 14 2010, 01:57 AM

So you're saying first Boateng as AM, and then no Strasser. Because you're not so sure it's the time to bring him in as a starter? When is the time then? We have no other options. Seedorf as RCM, with Pirlo already as LCM, should not be preferred vs Roma. Only Ambrosini is good in defending then, and Roma are a strong team!

Posted by: X-Offender Dec 14 2010, 02:25 AM

I'd play Strasser right away if it was up to me, but knowing Allegri, he'll play Seedorf as AM with Boateng as DM/RM.

Posted by: CHU-LIP Dec 14 2010, 01:30 PM

Knowing Allegri? Do you know him that well? Hopefully not. This message is likeable:

Allegri prensa to Strasser if Gattuso does not recover
14/12/2010 12:15 by Peter Mazzara article read 662 times

Rodney Strasser could be the middle third against Roma. Massimiliano Allegri has a great view of the median of Sierra Leone who, against Bologna, it was very disengaged and did not regret what he could to be a master of the role. If Ringhio could not recover for Saturday's race, the Rossoneri could launch the product from the first minute of the nursery Rossoneri confirmed Boateng behind the strikers.

milannews

Posted by: han2503 Dec 14 2010, 01:51 PM

That was my only doubt, but I think Allegri will stick to the system that is currently working .ie. Boateng as AM.


Strasser playing from minute 1 against Roma? highly unlikely. Why? I don't think he's ready yet, not just because of the opposition but the importance of this game. Seedorf is no defensive player but he knows how to hold on to the ball and make the smart pass instead of one that would put us under pressure, something that Strasser is still very green at. Just because Strasser has the DM title does not mean that he should automatically step in for Rino, simply because if he can't get into the game he will do more harm then good.


Strasser probably won't be playing from the start, while Allegri has shown the tendency to stick with what works until it doesn't, as a lot of people have already pointed out. Currently Boateng behind the strikers is working out great. We'll probably play a diamond, Ambro in front of the defense, Pirlo and Seedorf playing on the right and left of the midfield slightly more advanced with Boateng roaming around. When we're defending all the mids will retreat to form a 4 man midfield, just like they have been doing for a while.

Like I said, playing Strasser just because he has the DM title could do more harm then good. If he makes a couple of mistakes then it will cost us, and him in his development. Against Bologna the game was done, he didn't have any pressure on him. The Roma game is different, and imo Seedorf will handle it better.


1) Agreed

2) Agreed


I still wouldn't play Strasser from the start either way. Seedorf is far more experianced for it. Also I think we'll be seeing Boateng in the AM position, simply because it's a system that is working so Allegri will most likely stick to it

Posted by: CHU-LIP Dec 14 2010, 03:10 PM

Fillipo saying he has got faith in youth, and han agreeing with that, but I believe you don't have that faith really. Han saying about how Strasser can make mistakes against Roma, because the pressure is higher. Seedorf can also make mistakes. Him being far more experienced is an advantage, but you guys want to play him in a position that does not suit him. Especially not because also Pirlo is playing behind the AM. In the line-up you guys are preferring Seedorf must do a lot of defending duties. Since when we like to see that? Is Seedorf actually capable of that? I don't know, but Strasser is better suited for that. Of course playing against Bologna is not the same against Roma, but Strasser plays good in our midfield, so he could do the same against Roma. I disagree with the pressure thing finding a reason not to start Strasser. Lots of young players had their debuts in a more pressure game and did well. Strasser is playing good and is the only logical alternative for Gattuso against Roma. A midfield of Boateng, Pirlo, Ambrosini and Seedorf is defensively very vulnerable. Strasser can handle Gattuso's position better than Seedorf. Seedorf is not made for that position, while Strasser is. Midfield needs defending support, not Seedorf. Playing both Pirlo and Seedorf is one thing, but both behind the AM? That's sick.

All your concerns about playing Strasser, but you guys think Seedorf can't screw things up as sort of defending midfielder??? All things said about Strasser, expect the inexperience, can be said about Seedorf too.

Posted by: William405 Dec 14 2010, 03:34 PM

Boateng behind the strikers is a good idea by allegri,but the thing that made it work is the exchange in positions that we saw between Boateng and Pirlo.Some times,Pirlo was playing deep and others he was in the center of the field.Given the resources allegri has,I think that's the best possible solution.

Posted by: han2503 Dec 14 2010, 05:04 PM

Seedorf and Pirlo have played behind an AM (that was a lot more attack minded might I add) for the majority of their careers, it's not that much outside the realm of possibilities. Also, Strasser has been playing good? When? In the 35 odd minutes he put in against Bologna when the game was already done?

Yes Seedorf might make mistakes but that is less likely to happen then Strasser.

And yes, I am someone who wants to see the kids playing, but not in such a high stakes match. Coppa games? Sure, Meaningless CL game? Sure. Allegri had that opportunity against Ajax and didn't play him then and that game didn't mean anything, what makes you think he'll risk playing him against Roma?

Posted by: CHU-LIP Dec 14 2010, 05:47 PM

They aren't the same as they used to be. Especially not Seedorf, and you know that!
You can't know that. You can be very easily wrong at this.
You like to see kids play, but you don't have fully faith in them. Else you would trust Strasser also with these kind of matches when no better solution is available. Starting against Roma, then Strasser really will develop.

Posted by: William405 Dec 14 2010, 06:10 PM

Yeah,I agree with Chu-Lip.For Strasser,if Strasser plays well in this match then that will be a huge step in his career.If he fails,then he'll learn from it and work harder.But,I don't think he will fail.Imo,his failure won't affect us big time anyway,he'll be playing in the center of the field,and his defensive capabilities and energy will be needed in this match,after all Roma has a strong midfeild,and I don't think Ambro-Pirlo-Seedorf would be able to keep up with likes of Menez and De Rossi.

Posted by: han2503 Dec 14 2010, 07:10 PM

It's not like it's been a decade since we last saw them playing together with an AM. Last season we saw that a lot and we won more then one game playing that system.

Sure Seedorf is not the same, but if we play a smart passing game then he doesn't have to run non stop for the entire game. Having possesson means that we're not the ones chasing the ball, thus players aren't getting tired a lot faster. You put a lot of importance on the DMs, when we were playing with 3 which was overkill you said that it was a great system, even though we were barely winning the games. Now Pirlo has been placed for one of those DMs and we're really starting to play some football. Do you see any other top team in Europe play with more then one conventional DM? Simple answer is no.


Sure, but I'm pretty certain that the odds are more in my favour then yours. Simply because Strasser's chances of making a huge mistake are higher then Seedorf.


It's what Filippo says, there is a reason as to why these kids are not played on a regular basis, I never agreed with him when he applied that theory to Flamini because we all saw what he could do with another top team, but all of our Primavera kids have yet to prove themselves, sure Stasser did well against Bologna, but come on! It's certainly not enough of a basis for having him play against Roma.

All this talk of having the kids play shows how Milan fans are desperate to have a break out from the Primavera, but pushing him in this one is not the answer.

Also, go back to the topic started in the poll section, and you can see that I was one of the few who voted for Strasser instead of Merkel. I have faith in him the most, and logically speaking he's the only one who looks even remotely ready to take the next step, but the Roma game shouldn't be the time for that step.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Dec 14 2010, 07:23 PM

But the formation was completely different. It was a 4-3-1-2 becoming a 4-4-1-1 when defending and a 4-2-2-2 when attacking.

Pirlo's position was as Allegri said a mezz'ala. No longer in the middle 3. In a double pivot alongside Ambro, I really want to try Strasser out. We can always sub him out if things look bad. Benefit of being 3 points ahead.

Posted by: samira Dec 14 2010, 07:55 PM

Rino’s injury changes Massimiliano Allegri’s tactics as since he doesn’t have Mathieu Flamini at his disposal, he will have to use Kevin-Prince Boateng as a central midfielder, leaving Clarence Seedorf or Ronaldinho behind the strikers.

Posted by: Bluesummers Dec 14 2010, 09:28 PM

Or he can grow some bo llocks and play strasser

Posted by: han2503 Dec 14 2010, 09:37 PM

I agree with that assesment, but the likelyhood of us seeing Strasser from the start is very slim, and I tend to agree with that.

When we're defending we'll sill see a 4-4-1-1, Boateng, Pirlo and Seedorf will have to pull their weight as well, something that they had to do a lot last season under Leo, it's not something foreign to them that they cannot do.

Posted by: Bluesummers Dec 14 2010, 09:39 PM

This match will truly prove if we are Ibra dependant or not. Ranieri will most likely man mark him and then add extra pressure meaning there will always be 2 guys on him.

Posted by: X-Offender Dec 14 2010, 10:15 PM

Why was Ronaldinho mentioned?

Posted by: CHU-LIP Dec 15 2010, 12:27 AM

Yeah, I remember that midfield of last season. We beat weak opponents with it, but got humilated by strong opponents. Roma are not weak.
What do you care about other teams? It matters what works for Milan. This season we played our best with 2 defensive midfielders. Strasser can do more than just defending by the way. He's a decent passer. First you need to conquer the ball to retain possession. You need players like Gattuso, Ambrosini, Flamini and Strasser for that.
Yeah, because Seedorf is such an awesome defender.Yes, they need to prove themselves, but you won't let Strasser do that. You rather play someone out of position, ruining the current well working tactics, so that some experienced dude can play, even though Strasser is giving away good signs. What a beautiful trust! What basis? We need to field the best team, not the best players.Pushing? What? First we complain we want to see them play. Then Strasser finally plays, didn't fcuk up, Gattuso and Flamini are injured, so he is the next in order to play, and you won't let him? Playing him is not pushing him, but not playing him is holding him back, and put a rope on him.Do you think never a youth player has preformed well in such game? Because they have. Millions of youth players with even lesser experience than Strasser, and in tougher + more pressured matches, have started a game, and played well. It isn't about when it's time for his steps, it matters who we can use the most from our available players in the next game. And that sir, is Rodney Strasser.

Posted by: han2503 Dec 15 2010, 04:01 PM

Your entire argument is based on less then 40 minutes from Strasser in a game which we had already won.

Also, it's not my decision to make but I'm pretty sure Allegri won't start Strasser, all I said is that I agree with him on that

Posted by: CHU-LIP Dec 15 2010, 04:33 PM

It's not all based on just 40 minutes. It wasn't his first time playing first team. Like you agreed with, Strasser is the youth player who looks most ready for first team. So what is holding you back? He is our best/last fit when Gattuso can't start, Seedorf is not. We need Seedorf when Pirlo or Boateng can't play, not when Gattuso can't play.

Didn't Allegri said Strasser might start if Gattuso can't? Haven't I posted something like that? Still you're pretty sure he won't? And you already agree with him on something you can't know? How many things there are you already know you don't/can't know?

Posted by: samira Dec 15 2010, 06:00 PM

haha, I don't really know but if he would be playing it would be behind the strikers so it doesn't matter if I mention him at all

Posted by: Fishdoll Dec 15 2010, 07:48 PM

Nice to see some things haven't changed here.

Posted by: William405 Dec 15 2010, 09:11 PM

Fishdoll! Welcome back

Posted by: Fishdoll Dec 15 2010, 09:28 PM

Why thank you!

+1 to you for the welcome.

Posted by: Linkman Dec 16 2010, 12:58 AM

If you keep handing those cookies away there'll be none left for me

Posted by: Fishdoll Dec 16 2010, 01:08 AM

No, no cookies for you!

Some frango piripiri, perhaps....

Posted by: milanbuf88 Dec 16 2010, 01:16 AM

Han I definitely understand why you are skeptical of Strasser's quality to start but at a certain point you have to give the kid a shot. If he got to play in a Coppa game and did well then you would just say "oh its only a Coppa game hes not ready." This is a perfect opportunity to see how good he really is at this point. Obviously I'd rather have Flamini playing but I have more confidence in Strasser to play that position than Seedorf. Strasser at least has the right skill set and can handle the running the game will require to combat Romas mids. Seedorf hardly ever runs. Either he is no longer capable or no longer cares. Id like to think its the first but he tries to compensate by good positioning. Thats not the kind of player I want in the mid for that game. He will leave way to much space for Roma.

Posted by: Locke Lamora Dec 16 2010, 01:22 AM

Ahem...

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Dec 16 2010, 02:11 AM

There's a difference in young players and players with more experience. But...what we all saw was a very good Flamini in the French league and the EPL. He did need much time do adapt, and played rather humble when put in. He has a problem, that certain problem every French player has at Milan, well, except of Desailly.


You totally overreact! I mean, Seedorf won't ruin the tactics totally, it's not like we play Amelia as a RM. And also, Seedorf is one of the most adaptable midfielders I've ever seen, so I don't think it would be that kind of a problem.

All I say is we should not push Strasser in fire because the risk is to big. We're not Ajax or a club that has dozens of teenagers and pushes them in one after another, and when one fails big time, there's no big deal.

I mean "give youth a chance" is just a thing you say, but one should really think and then act.
And yes, since you mentioned me explicitly, I don't have faith in the youth we have right now. I did not have faith in Willy A., Marzorati, Darmain, Merkel and all the others...
Strasser is maybe the only player, beside Paloschi I really belive can make something. But not now and not against a team like Roma.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Dec 16 2010, 02:12 AM

Oh, and welcome back, it's very good to see you here again

Posted by: Fishdoll Dec 16 2010, 02:27 AM

From the CRA to Locke.

EDIT: Good to see you too, Fillipo.

+5 to Nikolina.

Posted by: shevchenko_007 Dec 16 2010, 09:59 AM

Everyone is giving Seedorf wayyyy too much credit... this guy WAS a great player in the past. Right now he is a player playing way past his retirement.

To the bolded part in the quote.. Seedorf loses the ball more than anyone in the team and puts our defense under pressure all the time. So yes he used to have good ball retention, he does not any more because he is too slow.
The only other player that gives the ball away more than him is Gatusso and him losing the ball also puts our defense under pressure.

So my question is... What can Strasser possibly do that will put our defense under pressure more than the two players mentioned above.
My vote is for him to start, because the further away from the pitch Seedorf is, the better it is for the team IMO.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Dec 16 2010, 12:40 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but are both Lobont and Sergio out for our game? Is Doni avaible to the club, I mean, this whole situation is ridiculous with him...

Posted by: Fishdoll Dec 16 2010, 01:00 PM

Yup, Doni's in Gazzetta's projected starting XI for Roma.

Vucinic is also out for Roma.

Posted by: Jack Bauer Dec 16 2010, 02:30 PM

Seems like Rino recovered and a had a full training so problem solved.

http://www.milannews.it/?action=read&idnotizia=41047

Posted by: William405 Dec 16 2010, 03:12 PM

I have no problem with Gattuso playing this one,he played very well against Bologna.

Posted by: han2503 Dec 16 2010, 04:32 PM

phew, saved me all the typing I would have had to do...

Posted by: samira Dec 16 2010, 05:47 PM

Lovely, so Vucinic can come in at 75th minute and save the day for Roma
Let's celebrate Milans 111th birthday by winning, on Saturday

Posted by: William405 Dec 16 2010, 06:43 PM

Ibra said we will win,then we shall win!

Posted by: Fishdoll Dec 17 2010, 01:55 PM

Not so much.

Vucinic hasn't been called up.

----
EDIT:

Milan call ups (from acmilan.com, hate the new website):
Abbiati, Amelia, Abate, Antonini, Bonera, Montelongo, Nesta, Oddo, Yepes, Ambrosini, Boateng, Gattuso, Merkel, Pirlo, Seedorf, Strasser, Ibrahimovic, Robinho, Ronaldinho.

Giocatori indisponibili: Papastathopoulos, Thiago Silva, Onyewu, Zambrotta, Flamini, Inzaghi, Pato

Posted by: William405 Dec 17 2010, 05:00 PM

What's up with Sokratis?

Posted by: X-Offender Dec 17 2010, 10:52 PM

He has a bad case of Allegritis.

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Dec 18 2010, 12:55 AM

i won't lie, i am really scared of seing Menez running at ambro/rino/bonera or running around nesta/pirlo/seedorf.

he is a monster!!

Posted by: Zed.D Dec 18 2010, 10:32 AM

If we show the same intensity and determination we did against Inter, we will win. but this is Roma... the game isn't as important as winning the derby was for us this season, so... it's 50-50.

Posted by: X-Offender Dec 18 2010, 02:29 PM

Probable line-up: (4-3-1-2) Abbiati, Abate, Nesta, Bonera, Antonini; Gattuso, Pirlo, Ambrosini; Seedorf; Ibrahimovic, Robinho.

What a young and fresh midfield.

Posted by: arivanjj Dec 18 2010, 02:48 PM

whats the weather conditions like? any chance the match might be called off? most epl matches got postponed

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Dec 18 2010, 02:52 PM

Gotta love that sarcasm

Posted by: han2503 Dec 18 2010, 02:52 PM

Why is he dropping Boateng and putting in the recently terrible Seedorf??

Makes no sense.

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Dec 18 2010, 03:05 PM

While I would agree with you - to be fair the line up was listed as 'probable'.

Posted by: acid911 Dec 18 2010, 03:06 PM

Very. Allegri plans to play it safe in this "Big" match.

Posted by: William405 Dec 18 2010, 03:12 PM

I don't think Allegri will drop Boateng after his big success.You hurd it here first

Posted by: Fishdoll Dec 18 2010, 03:22 PM

Weather''s pretty nasty in some parts of Italy but the news report I saw didn't say much about Lombardy. And most of the Serie B games are going on right now (though you can see snow at the edges of the pitch of the Varese game -- Varese is the B team closest geographically to Milan).

Posted by: acid911 Dec 18 2010, 03:24 PM

There is no such things as a terrible Seedorf. Never was, and never will be. In most other clubs he'd probably be kicked out by now the way he has been playing since 2008 at least (or had to consistently give in good performances to stay in the circle). Not here it seems.

A few matches he has been absolutely atrocious. Slow and atrocious.


Amen to that. For me it could go either way, Roma does not have much pace and Allegri could decide on fielding an experienced midfield today.

Posted by: acid911 Dec 18 2010, 03:24 PM

There is no such things as a terrible Seedorf. Never was, and never will be. In most other clubs he'd probably be kicked out by now the way he has been playing since 2008 at least (or had to consistently give in good performances to stay in the circle). Not here it seems.

A few matches he has been absolutely atrocious. Slow and atrocious.


Amen to that. For me it could go either way, Roma does not have much pace and Allegri could decide on fielding an experienced midfield today.

Posted by: X-Offender Dec 18 2010, 03:25 PM

Yesterday in Milan was snowing like crazy. I don't know about today, as I'm back in Albania now.

Posted by: CHU-LIP Dec 18 2010, 03:26 PM

So now it doesn't make sense to play Seedorf, even though it's on a Seedorf friendly position?


I don't get it. Playing Seedorf over Boateng def. isn't playing safe.


I would be very disappointed in Allegri if he really bench Boateng to play that midfield. We need Boateng in our midfield when Flamini won't play, and we don't need Seedorf, while Pirlo will play. We would have two creators, but zero pacy movers. I don't expect this line-up to actually happen. It can't be true. Boateng has been doing well, the Pirlo-Boateng combo should start.

Posted by: han2503 Dec 18 2010, 03:37 PM

That's mediaset's probable line up, so it's very likely to be right


Lesser of 2 evils and all that

Posted by: Zed.D Dec 18 2010, 03:53 PM

Come on, Seedorf will be awesome the problem with him is that he can't play 90 minutes EVERY game and be good. but he's been rested recently. I think his legs are fresh and he's also motivated to do well because he's been benched too much for his liking.

Anyway, if we beat Roma, we will have ruled them out of the title race for sure IMO. time to show character!

Posted by: X-Offender Dec 18 2010, 04:10 PM

+1

Posted by: CHU-LIP Dec 18 2010, 04:25 PM

Jesus Christ


Don't you feel like we miss something in midfield now both Boateng and Flamini won't start? Also, Boateng (with Pirlo) is on a roll. I don't get it.

Posted by: han2503 Dec 18 2010, 04:32 PM

Seedorf has barely played recently and both against Ajax and when he cam on in the league in the last 2 games he's been pretty bad. I'd want him over Strasser yes, but not ahead of Boateng who has been great so far

Posted by: han2503 Dec 18 2010, 04:36 PM

You put too much emphasis on this if Seedorf was in better for I'd want him over Boateng as well, even if Pirlo is already playing.

I hate watching us step onto the pitch with such a negative mind set. We're finally starting to play a little football, and that is only ebcause Allegri has introduced an additional ball player while taking out one of the grafters.

It's not like Roma have a lightning quick midfield, I think we'll be alright without an ultra-defensive midfield, that doesn't even play football, but hooves the ball around for 90 minutes, because that is what we were doing before, and if Ibra had been out of the equation and we had Boriello up there then we would be on the same amount of points as Inter

Posted by: acid911 Dec 18 2010, 05:31 PM

You and I may think like this, but the senior players in the team have quite a hold on the squad. Allegri may want to go in and play safe by going for experience even if it is a slow midfield combination. It's not like Roma are blazing fast. Like I said, I'd surely play Boateng today.


Can't disagree with this even if I tried. Well said.


Exactly. Seedorf had a few (comparatively) good games earlier in the season. But now that his place his somewhat set, and R80's place unsettled, he has gone back to his bad performance mode.

Posted by: Locke Lamora Dec 18 2010, 06:38 PM

Menez, anyone?

Posted by: acid911 Dec 18 2010, 06:52 PM

Yup, he's the only major threat that scares me. Particularly with no Silva on board for us, our back four will have their work cut out for them. Other Roman guys I am sure the team can handle without too much trouble.

Posted by: William405 Dec 18 2010, 07:50 PM

Any confirmed lineups?

Posted by: CHU-LIP Dec 18 2010, 07:53 PM

Official lineups:

MILAN: Abbiati; Abate, Nesta, Bonera, Antonini; Gattuso, Ambrosini, Pirlo; Boateng; Ibrahimovic, Robinho.
ROMA: Doni; Burdisso, Mexes, Juan, Riise; Brighi, De Rossi, Simplicio; Menez; Borriello, Adriano.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Dec 18 2010, 07:58 PM

adriano WOW where is Totti??

Posted by: William405 Dec 18 2010, 08:01 PM

Thanks Chu-Lip,that's the best formation we can have now.We're going to destroy their back 4,though Juan was really good in the world cup.He's back from an injury right?Also,Lol.Adriano sucks.

Also some laughes http://www.football-italia.net/quotes.html

Posted by: CHU-LIP Dec 18 2010, 08:02 PM

I agree, really happy about the starting lineup. It's what I expected + hoped for.

Posted by: vahid Dec 18 2010, 08:28 PM

We have 8 Italians in our starting line-up,so great!

Posted by: CHU-LIP Dec 18 2010, 08:39 PM

I wish it were 7 though... ( T.Silva )

Posted by: drucurl Dec 18 2010, 08:39 PM

wow Adriano looks HUGE

Posted by: han2503 Dec 18 2010, 08:43 PM

His face bloats up like a basketball when he puts on weight

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Dec 18 2010, 08:44 PM

u watching on bet??

Posted by: han2503 Dec 18 2010, 08:46 PM

yep

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Dec 18 2010, 08:46 PM

oh i hate this commentator he gets to excited

Posted by: drucurl Dec 18 2010, 08:47 PM

dear lord not richard whittle :mad:

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Dec 18 2010, 08:50 PM

ohh nice by pirlo

Posted by: han2503 Dec 18 2010, 08:50 PM

Oh, Boateng almost through

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Dec 18 2010, 08:51 PM

ahh robinho just could not finish

Posted by: han2503 Dec 18 2010, 08:51 PM

Oh Robinho!! Close!

Pirlo is just amazing so far.

Posted by: milanbuf88 Dec 18 2010, 08:51 PM

Robinho did everything but finish haha

Posted by: drucurl Dec 18 2010, 08:52 PM

omg robinho almost

Posted by: William405 Dec 18 2010, 08:52 PM

Haha,mexes sucks or whaT!

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Dec 18 2010, 08:55 PM

second mistake by linesman

Posted by: drucurl Dec 18 2010, 08:59 PM

<3 the boat

Posted by: Jack Bauer Dec 18 2010, 08:59 PM

We need to turn this dominance to goal, otherwise what happened vs Juve might happen again.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Dec 18 2010, 09:01 PM

+1

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Dec 18 2010, 09:06 PM

at this rate pirlo will go to hospital after the game

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Dec 18 2010, 09:07 PM

The referee is an idiot.

Foul on Robinho-not given
Ibra was on-side
Yellow for Mexes-not given
Foul on Boateng-not given

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Dec 18 2010, 09:07 PM

Pirlo out??

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Dec 18 2010, 09:07 PM

Seedorf to replace the injured Pirlo...

Posted by: han2503 Dec 18 2010, 09:07 PM

Sh!t Pirlo looks like he's coming off

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Dec 18 2010, 09:08 PM

Oh GOD pirlo put seedorf in this is sad pirlo was looking so good

Posted by: han2503 Dec 18 2010, 09:09 PM

The ref needs to start showing some cards FFS!!

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Dec 18 2010, 09:09 PM

that was another booking what the F ref!!

Posted by: han2503 Dec 18 2010, 09:10 PM

Robinho!! Come on! Hit a decent one FFS

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Dec 18 2010, 09:13 PM

now this fat cow steps on nesta

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Dec 18 2010, 09:17 PM

This guy D'Amato is really something...

Anyway, Abate looks a bit unconfortable today.
Ambro and Antonini loosing to many balls.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Dec 18 2010, 09:18 PM

oh robinho slips

Posted by: milanbuf88 Dec 18 2010, 09:18 PM

fuckin a robinho. you cant fall there...

Posted by: han2503 Dec 18 2010, 09:21 PM

Ibra

What a miss!!

Posted by: milanbuf88 Dec 18 2010, 09:21 PM

wtf happened there???

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Dec 18 2010, 09:21 PM

oh my ibra misses the biggest chance

Posted by: Jack Bauer Dec 18 2010, 09:21 PM

WTF????

Posted by: drucurl Dec 18 2010, 09:23 PM

<3 the boat

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Dec 18 2010, 09:24 PM

what dio u mean by this??

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Dec 18 2010, 09:25 PM

what a short by seedorf just missed the corner flag

Posted by: milanbuf88 Dec 18 2010, 09:25 PM

pirlo is so much better than seedorf. the attack looked so much more dynamic with him in...

Posted by: drucurl Dec 18 2010, 09:26 PM

what happened to Pilo?

Posted by: han2503 Dec 18 2010, 09:31 PM

We've lost the dominance we had in the first 25 minutes

Seedorf needs to be moved up behind the strikers, he's not even trying to run, and that is not going to work when he's playing that position

Posted by: han2503 Dec 18 2010, 09:33 PM

HT

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Dec 18 2010, 09:33 PM

HT 0-0 we lost pirlo that has hurt us big time to further add up ibra missed a sitter we can still get the points the player really need to work hard in the second half

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Dec 18 2010, 09:34 PM

he got injured

Posted by: William405 Dec 18 2010, 09:35 PM

Haha,yeah he was horrible.Gattuso won me back,he's been great.And Boateng ceratinly is performing,not Ibra's day though.We should have been 2-0...

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Dec 18 2010, 09:36 PM

Milan today is dangerous dissonant.

Antonini looks beyond unconfortable, he's loosing simple balls and makes problems out of nothing.

The only player that especially made a good impression to me is Gattuso. Great match - much running, some great tackling, the brilliant pass for Ibra's 100% chance...he's really earned his place.

I don't like Allegri's idea of Seedorf playing on the left and Boateng as a AM, though Boateng is more dangerous in that position.

Posted by: milanbuf88 Dec 18 2010, 09:36 PM

Thats a huge reason we lost that dominance. In the first 25 Pirlo was moving up on the left and supporting the attack which allowed us to hold the ball longer and make something happen. Seedorf hasn't done anything. He gets the ball then stops and slows down the attack to do some shitty one-on-one move while Roma trots back into position so we have no space to work with. Fuckin a. Might as well put Merkel in. At least the guy will run and support the attack.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Dec 18 2010, 09:38 PM

i defintly agree regarding rino they way he ran and that tackle against borilleo reminded me of the real gatusso

Posted by: CHU-LIP Dec 18 2010, 09:40 PM

He's excited going on the Love Boat soon. Either that, or he <3 Boateng.

edit: you do know <3 means love BTW?

Posted by: han2503 Dec 18 2010, 09:45 PM

Agree with Filippo, Rino has been our best player tonight, while Ambro has disappointed along with Zlatan, Robinho, Seedorf and Antonini who haven't done anything but mess up.

Boateng was good at the start but once Pirlo was out he lost his way

Posted by: drucurl Dec 18 2010, 09:49 PM

kinda embarrassed to say but i fell asleep for a couple minutes

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Dec 18 2010, 09:54 PM

nope

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Dec 18 2010, 09:57 PM

Do Borriello and Mexes have a secret competition in who's having a more idiotic hair-cut?

Posted by: drucurl Dec 18 2010, 09:57 PM

borri>iBra

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Dec 18 2010, 10:00 PM

what is seedorf trying to do... we are doing nothing with all ths possession

Posted by: drucurl Dec 18 2010, 10:01 PM

come on shitlegri this game clearly needs Ronaldinho

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Dec 18 2010, 10:02 PM

r80 anyone??

Posted by: Jack Bauer Dec 18 2010, 10:02 PM

Seedorf is very annoying today

Posted by: han2503 Dec 18 2010, 10:04 PM

Nesta

Posted by: anano1214 Dec 18 2010, 10:04 PM

Milan needs Ronaldinho (

Posted by: milanbuf88 Dec 18 2010, 10:04 PM

NESTAAAAA!!! HE IS A GOD!!

Posted by: Jack Bauer Dec 18 2010, 10:04 PM

Nesta

Posted by: anano1214 Dec 18 2010, 10:04 PM

Nesta was amazing at this moment

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Dec 18 2010, 10:05 PM

Bravo Nesta! What the hell did Abate think when he started running to the center and left his side completely free???

Posted by: han2503 Dec 18 2010, 10:05 PM

We just don't have any cutting edge in the attack

Posted by: drucurl Dec 18 2010, 10:05 PM

come on shitlegri this game clearly needs Ronaldinho

Posted by: Coldest Dec 18 2010, 10:06 PM

If Allegri managed to make subs in best way, Dinho wouldn't seem so useless and forgot. For example, we need him now, nor in 90th minute

Posted by: drucurl Dec 18 2010, 10:07 PM

come on shitlegri this game clearly needs Ronaldinho

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Dec 18 2010, 10:08 PM

seedorf has destroyed everything

Posted by: Fishdoll Dec 18 2010, 10:08 PM

dru, are you capable of coming up with nicknames that AREN'T homophobic or obscenities?

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Dec 18 2010, 10:10 PM

we need to make some changes

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Dec 18 2010, 10:12 PM

WTF

Posted by: han2503 Dec 18 2010, 10:12 PM

0-1 Bori

Posted by: milanbuf88 Dec 18 2010, 10:12 PM

ugh.... this sucks

Posted by: Jack Bauer Dec 18 2010, 10:13 PM

And thankyou Boateng for losing the ball like a moron

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Dec 18 2010, 10:13 PM

Antonini...

Posted by: han2503 Dec 18 2010, 10:13 PM

that ball went through 6 players FFS

Posted by: drucurl Dec 18 2010, 10:14 PM

**** you shitlegri

Please stop with the ridiculous swearing

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Dec 18 2010, 10:14 PM

make some damn sub

Posted by: han2503 Dec 18 2010, 10:14 PM

Seedorf FFS!!!!

Posted by: samira Dec 18 2010, 10:15 PM

I think it was Abate..

Why Borriello of all the players but it was Menez we should be keeping an eye on.

Posted by: Jack Bauer Dec 18 2010, 10:16 PM

It's Juve game all over again. Can't convert easy chances and losing in a game we diminated.

Posted by: han2503 Dec 18 2010, 10:16 PM

Let's watch Allegri wait until the 90th befre he makes a change

Posted by: milanbuf88 Dec 18 2010, 10:16 PM

Hey Dru. Stop with the obscenities. They are getting annoying. Once in a while isn't a problem but its every single post you make. Keep them to yourself.

Posted by: han2503 Dec 18 2010, 10:17 PM

Allegri has failed every big test he had aside from Inter... Enough said

Posted by: Coldest Dec 18 2010, 10:19 PM

I'm Dinho fan, so my opinion might not be considered seriously, but Alllegri's no magic, it's just about Ibra and a bit of luck.

Posted by: drucurl Dec 18 2010, 10:20 PM

sorry guys. I'll follow the match elsewhere . Allergy will get my black *** banned

Posted by: drucurl Dec 18 2010, 10:23 PM

sorry guys. I'll follow the match elsewhere . Allergy will get my black *** banned

Posted by: han2503 Dec 18 2010, 10:24 PM

Seedorf is the most frustrating player ever!!!!!!!

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Dec 18 2010, 10:24 PM

true

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Dec 18 2010, 10:25 PM

so if we dont take the lead there will be no subs

Posted by: han2503 Dec 18 2010, 10:26 PM

Typical Allegri

Waiting for the stars to pull something out their @sses

Posted by: drucurl Dec 18 2010, 10:27 PM

sorry about the double post too

Posted by: samira Dec 18 2010, 10:29 PM

Ibrahimovic keeping giving Allegri signs, that he wants to sub
Ronaldinho in for the Boateng !!!!

Posted by: han2503 Dec 18 2010, 10:29 PM

lol Dinho coming on

Is this supposed to help in the last 5 minutes?

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Dec 18 2010, 10:29 PM

KPB injured i think it seems that is why r80 comes on

Posted by: Coldest Dec 18 2010, 10:31 PM

Is Allegri making fun out of him ?

It's impassible not to like him....

Posted by: samira Dec 18 2010, 10:32 PM

hah, Seedrof could taken that shoot instead of making it a playful ending.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Dec 18 2010, 10:35 PM

ibra suspended for next game

Posted by: William405 Dec 18 2010, 10:37 PM

What the **** is wrong with that referee?

Posted by: samira Dec 18 2010, 10:37 PM

Ibrahimovic yellow carded, now he's suspended for the January 6th game.

Posted by: han2503 Dec 18 2010, 10:39 PM

FT

Terrible 2nd half performance

Allegri just proves again how little he factors into things. He loses Pirlo, his system is disrupted and he simply has no answers.

He brings in Dinho at the 85th minute, what's the point? Trying to rub his face in the dirt one last time?

Posted by: William405 Dec 18 2010, 10:40 PM

Cassano will replace him


We have so many injured players,omg I can't believe this.

Roma are the luckiest team ever...

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Dec 18 2010, 10:40 PM

FT another game which we should have won -1 to allegeri yet again fails to make subs -1million to seedorf

Posted by: arivanjj Dec 18 2010, 10:40 PM

this is really getting pathetic from allegri. 5 mins? seriously?

Posted by: samira Dec 18 2010, 10:41 PM

Seedorf sucked, Only Nesta was okay.

Posted by: Dracoris Dec 18 2010, 10:42 PM

If we finish top 3 in Serie A it'll be despite Allegri. He personally deserves 5th place and no better.

So frustrating to watch this man.

Posted by: Darunia Dec 18 2010, 10:43 PM

Everyone was terrible today except Nesta, we need a new fullback in January. Allegri is lucky we're still in first place despite him

Posted by: X-Offender Dec 18 2010, 10:44 PM

We lost this game the moment Pirlo got injured. Seedorf had a mediocre match, as did Zlatan for missing all his chances. Pathetic performance.

Posted by: samira Dec 18 2010, 10:46 PM

Seedorf was absolutely atrocious. Allegri needs to stop humiliating Ronaldinho by putting him in for stoppage time

Posted by: William405 Dec 18 2010, 10:47 PM

The positive thing is that I can't see Allegri ever fielding Seedorf ever again.

Ambrosini has been going downhill,maybe he is tired but then he haven't played much either.Our defense did fine but Antonini was our weakest link.Let's not forget the howlers Abate pulled off though.I thought Bonera did great though.

Pirlo's absence affected us much,it was like a red card maybe worst...

Thank god,this defeat+injuries were before winter break.If Juve draws or loses it won't matter,because the transfers coming in this winter+the players coming back from injury will help us a lot.

It's funny you guys are blaming allegri...Stop it.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Dec 18 2010, 10:47 PM

i agree 100 percent....pirlo was looking so good

Posted by: han2503 Dec 18 2010, 10:48 PM

Most important point, Plan A goes wrong and Allegri simply hass no answer. Seedorf was just horrible, he hasn't played a full game in weeks yet he comes on and plays like he doesn't give a sh!t!!! Seedrf was bombing in Pirlo's position he should have let him in Boateng's place, who also fell apart once Pirlo was out.

We're losing and no changes until the 85th!! What was there to lose had he made the subs earlier??!!! Once again it's the same old story, he waits for someone to get him out of the mess instead of making one decent decision that he doesn't have a full week to think about

So fead up with him, no matter where we are in the table, I still insist that it is in spite of him

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Dec 18 2010, 10:52 PM

Solid defense, dissfunctional midfield, inpotent attack

Ratings only:
Abbiati - 6
Abate - 5.5
Nesta - 7
Bonera - 6
Antonini - 4.5
Pirlo - /
Ambrosini - 4.5
Gattuso - 6.5
Boateng - 5.5
Robinho - 5.5
Ibrahimovic - 4.5
--------------------
Seedorf - 4
Ronaldinho - /

Allegri - 4.5

Comments:

- Typicall Allegri, watching endlessly a match and not changing a thing, letting us slip confortably in more and more mistake, simple errors, unforced lost balls and misses. Annoying, this habit he has. He should stop yelling around and start acting like a real coach, not a third rate actor.

- Seedorf was poor today. I don't wanna bash him any more, because today he reached a low and he knew it. I felt nothing but sorry for him.

- Robinho still is not Milan's solution. He's a player with whom you never know, sometimes he makes a perfect move, sometimes he embarrasses himself totally. But problem is, the emabrrassment happens much more often then the perfect move. He's a half-player for us and sub-standard, something Milan should not take for long.

- Cassano or not, Milan needs a central attacker, someone like Borriello. Someone who can step-in this season for Pippo and play Ibra's sub.

- Ibrahimovic and Antonini were beyond bad. Ibra was standing in offside and waiting just for the referee to signal it again and again. Antonini did everything wrong - the simple passes, the runs, the covering, and finally made all happen with that clumsy and week run he made to "stop" Menez. Naturally, on the other side Abate waited and made another clumsy move making it very easy for Bori to score.

Posted by: Dracoris Dec 18 2010, 10:55 PM

Ibra and Robinho were admittedly poor today, yes, but I think its important to note they had horrible service. Ibra's offsides runs wouldn't have been off had the ball arrived split seconds earlier. This is where we missed Pirlo, and could've used Dinho.

Posted by: Boban10 Dec 18 2010, 10:55 PM

Yep, Allegri really needs to sort out when and who to sub. We needed to change even before Roma scored, and then didnt even after they scored, seems allegri keeps praying instead of acting. That game was tough to watch.

Posted by: Zed.D Dec 18 2010, 10:58 PM

You're being too nice to him..

Mediocre: adequate or acceptable, but not very good

Seedorf was NOT mediocre. he was shockingly bad. dare I say this was his worst performance in red&black ever. I was a FOOL to say he'd do well in this game! I will never root for him again!

Posted by: William405 Dec 18 2010, 11:02 PM

I agree with all of your ratings,on spot.

The thing that I like with Allegri is his Plan A,in the first 20 minutes;we we're doing great.

I agree with him not having a Plan B thingy,but that is hardly the reason we lost.One of the factors though...

For all fairness,Allegri didn't have anyone on the bench other than Dinho who can impact this game.You can argue that anyone would have played better than Seedorf even Oddo but I don't think Allegri wanted to humiliate Seedorf.

Posted by: Zed.D Dec 18 2010, 11:02 PM

So do people still think our full backs are Milan quality?!

Posted by: CHU-LIP Dec 18 2010, 11:04 PM

Were there people who thought they were?

Posted by: Dracoris Dec 18 2010, 11:04 PM

Well, AC Milan as a whole was humiliated today, so Seedorf got humiliated anyways.

Posted by: CHU-LIP Dec 18 2010, 11:06 PM

Pato?

We missed Pato like hell today, now Zlatan completely was out of form.

Posted by: Zed.D Dec 18 2010, 11:06 PM

My ratings - out of 4 stars:

Abbiati - 2
Abate - 1.5
Nesta - 4
Bonera - 2.5
Antonini - 1.5
Pirlo - NA
Ambrosini - 1.5
Gattuso - 2
Boateng - 1.5
Robinho - 1.5
Ibrahimovic - 1

Seedorf 0.5
Dinho - NA




1 = POOR
2 = OK
3 = GOOD
4 = GREAT

Posted by: X-Offender Dec 18 2010, 11:10 PM

What about the TWO times Ibra was in front of Doni? I doubt he missed them because of horrible service. Let's all admit Ibra had a crap game and be over with it.

Posted by: William405 Dec 18 2010, 11:11 PM

Pfft,If Napoli-Juve-Lazio win,it won't be looking so good.I want upsets tomorrow,UPSETS!

X-off:Feel like changing you're sig,put galliani

Posted by: Dracoris Dec 18 2010, 11:12 PM

If you read my post, you would have seen where I said he was poor. Thanks for paying attention.

Posted by: samira Dec 18 2010, 11:12 PM

For the record, I have always missed Pato and seriously, the reason Ibrahimovic was offside all the time is because he was so tierd of running and he should been sub earlier. It was useless

Posted by: William405 Dec 18 2010, 11:14 PM

Ibra wasn't tired,seriously...

Man,Seedorf should retire.I don't get him.

Posted by: Zed.D Dec 18 2010, 11:14 PM

Tonight there won't be any. but when they have an above average, everyone seems to forget...

They'd make great subs, but too average to be Milan's permanent full backs. esp Abate. I used to think he was better than Antonini, but I was wrong. at least Antonini adds something to our attacks sometimes. Abate just runs the length of the pitch without doing anything particularly worthy. he isn't a bad defender, but he isn't very good either and can cost you like he did tonight.

Oh how I wish we sign Coentrao this January.

Posted by: X-Offender Dec 18 2010, 11:16 PM

But then you added the "horrible service" part, which was per se a justification to Ibra's poor performance.

Posted by: Dracoris Dec 18 2010, 11:17 PM

Ah, no that was not the intention. It was more in defense of Robinho, who Fillipo bashed pretty good in his previous post. I should have included is name with Ibra on the runs. Oopsies.

Posted by: Zed.D Dec 18 2010, 11:17 PM

They kept sending long balls to him and I'm pretty sure he finally got rather pissed off and made a gesture with his hands that can be interpreted as "change your effing gameplan/stop sending long balls to me" or something like that.

Posted by: CHU-LIP Dec 18 2010, 11:22 PM

Who you gonna sub Zlatan off for though? We are fukced without Pato and an awful Zlatan. Oh and no Pippo..

Posted by: William405 Dec 18 2010, 11:25 PM

Chu-Lip:All of our players will be back for the next match ;p

We've done this good with many injuries,so I hope an injury free next half of season and hopefully some transfers.

Posted by: Zed.D Dec 18 2010, 11:25 PM

We had nobody, really.

Agree about the Duck. we miss him big time.

Posted by: Zed.D Dec 18 2010, 11:30 PM

Oh by the way, Borriello's haircut was fugly.

Posted by: CHU-LIP Dec 18 2010, 11:31 PM

Pippo not, and Zlatan is suspended, But I was just referring to today's scenario...

Posted by: X-Offender Dec 18 2010, 11:35 PM

Thank f*ck we have the winter break now, so we'll have most of injuries back for the next game. True, Zlatan will miss against Cagilari, but we'll have Pato and maybe Cassano too. Whom I want the most though is Pirlo. Today we realized how important he's to our game. Oh, and Thiago too.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Dec 18 2010, 11:35 PM

That's what I've been telling for aprox. 1,5 years. And even more, I don't see how he'd make a good RM as well.
He just knows how to run, everything else with this guy is either mediocre or bad. Typically Udinese or Bologna player, like Carlo Nervo or tons of them.

Posted by: Jack Bauer Dec 19 2010, 12:19 AM

So frustrating... This two matches that we should have won but lost at home(Juve, Roma) can bite us in the *** later on. In the second hlaf of the season we have a tougher schedule with many tricky games away.

Posted by: drucurl Dec 19 2010, 01:00 AM

I'd just like to state mu displeasure at the way Allegri is managing our team. The loss in itself is of little consequence since it's not like we're going to go unbeaten with guys like Anto and Abate pretending to be Milan quality fullbacks. However this defeat showcased many of my concerns about Allegri's Milan:

1)Small team mentality. On some small teams there are one or two GREAT players...these teams live and die by the success/form of these players. Milan is now thoroughly iBra dependent. This is sad because we have many other great champions too who could indeed contribute. BUT AS LONG AS IBRA IS CRAP WE'RE SCREWED. The season is only halfway over what if iBra undergoes a bad patch as does everybody at some point? Will Mr "run-to-the-corner-flag" Allergy have any other plan? maybe he'll play Ronaldinho more for the last five games of the season as he gives him five minutes per game when we're down

2)Failure to beat big teams. Loss vs Juve. 1 Goal + 90 minutes of catenaccio vs Inter Loss vs Real only Mourinho found him at the corner flag with his tail between his legs and let him have it.....and now a loss vs Inter

3)Seemingly personal issues with Ronaldinho. This is rather clear to see now. Bringing in a player like Ronaldinho for 0-5 min per game is INSULTING if he isn't injured. I don't care how much he's partied, how 'lazy' he is, how little he's contributed to the defense, Ronaldinho is still the MOST talented player in Europe and sometimes he can live off just his talent alone. Roma played a very high defensive line and got iBra and Robinho utterly frustrated with their offside trap. The guy to unlock them WAS NOT SEEDORF. . I have a hunch that he might fall out with Pato similarly...watch this space.

4)Substitution n00b. Self explanatory really. Even if Ronaldinho scored in the 88th minute...was he really expecting a BRACE to WIN in the first min of injury time perhaps?

I remain rather concerned about Allegri. Many will contend that we:
1)are on top 2)don't have decent fullbacks 3)lack a CAM etc...and these are true but did we really need Cassano and Maicon today to beat Roma....and if we need a perfect squad to win how do the other teams manage? and finally didn 't LEONARDO keep us in the scudetto race without iBra, Boat and Binho (not to mention the underutilized Sokratis and Yepes)? I have little doubt we will win the Scudetto. I have MUCH doubt of us doing any damage in the CL vs the heavyweights like Barca and Chel$ki.

Until further notice Allergy = n00b

Posted by: acid911 Dec 19 2010, 01:20 AM

Great post, dru! Bravo! Saved me a lot of typing. And agree with everything you said. Finally, some sense returning, after the string of good/lucky results. The fans in whole will see the Milan unit in a more critical eye. Like you said, it's not the loss, but the way we lost that hurts.

And Allegri seems to have put his eggs in the Ibra and Seedorf baskets - he is freezing up Ronaldinho. Sure the guy has his problems and performance issues, but even in the last CL game, R80 was making killer lobs and passes to Ibra (who was as wasteful then). A 100 Seedorfs (the current model that is) combined couldn't do that if they tried. Pirlo's sub should have been R80 today. A million times over. Not Seedorf. Never Seedorf.

Posted by: Fishdoll Dec 19 2010, 01:43 AM

Pretty dire all round except for Nesta, really.

This fish is so NOT on the 'Evil Allegri is Victimizing Poor Ronnie' bandwagon. I'm willing to give the coach that much and believe there's a reason the guy's not being played.

I'm also willing to send Allegri to the bathtub for his lack of understanding of HOW TO USE SUBS. Changes should've been made much, much earlier.

Posted by: drucurl Dec 19 2010, 02:25 AM

regardless of your take on it:

1. dorf was crap from the first half..you don't want Dinho fine toss in Merkel/Verdi...DO SOMTETHING!!!
2. it was CLEAR from the way Pirlo was playing that we needed an above-average passer to unlock the (remarkably organized/disciplined) Roma defence.
3. This person wasn't dorf today
4. Roma got the goal and were growing in confidence
5. Robinho was pushed so ridiculously wide that I'll bet he's still panting
6. Ambro was showing signs of fatigue for sometime now....Strasser anyone?
7. ONCE again...iBra plays crap=Milan plays crap
8. Beyond a certain point...our kids couldn't have done worse than the horror show of the last quarter
9. Bonera is starting to play worse and worse...a lot has been hidden because we've been playing teams that couldn't take advantage of him.....but then again:
10. We're using Daniele because the coach won't give Sokratis / Yepes a shot AND he's partly responsible for Silva's injury

I'd have believed that Dinho wasn't being punished if he was a regular-ish sub when changes were clearly needed. I'm actually impressed with the way Dinho's handling it all. Putting on a player of his calibre with 5 min to go and team down is INSULTING. I saw this kinda thing already....Sir Alex did it to Beckham in the Real Madrid tie...looks exactly the same to me

Posted by: Fishdoll Dec 19 2010, 02:49 AM

Then perhaps you should get some glasses.

Posted by: X-Offender Dec 19 2010, 02:54 AM

I thought Bonera was quite solid tonight, no point in blaming him. Our defense did pretty good actually, Roma couldn't create a chance even if we let them to. What cost us the game was Pirlo's injury, and the subsequent bad displays of Seedorf, Ambrosini and Ibrahimovic. That was the key to the game.

As for Ronaldinho, forget about him. This was probably his last match with the rossonera shirt.

Posted by: han2503 Dec 19 2010, 09:17 AM

I think talking about how bad Ibra was is slightly misguided, yes he missed a huge chance, but other then that the service to him was cr@p, before we got away with punting the long ball to him hoping he pulls it out of his @ss and that's Allegri's entire Plan B system, yesterday Roma played us like a harp, they played such a high defensive line that we could have sent long balls to Ibra all day and nothing would have come of it.

Also having Pato wouldn't have done anything, sending long balls to him would have been even more useless then sending long balls to Ibra was.

We needed someone in midfield who could manage to make a decent pass, and Seedorf was just so bad that I'm not even going to try to get into it. Ronaldinho should have come on earlier fact! No matter what Allegri thinks of him or what ou all think of him, he was the only player that could have provided a decent cross or through ball, putting him on with 5 minutes to play was both a slap in the face and futile in helping the team, just shows that Allegri will let petty differences get in the way of winning. And even if Ronaldinho had bombed at least Allegri would have had the excuse of at least trying something other then running around the technical area shouting at nothing...

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Dec 19 2010, 10:00 AM

I don't understand Allegri ... I mean what is it going to take for him to start playing Dinho ? Last season he proved to be very decisive in our campaign, despite the final outcome of it all.

Dinho is not a player that likes to be benched ... The same is true for any player, but Dinho is a seasoned player with world class ability who is capable of unlocking a game at any-point. Having no Plan-B, as our native Maltese said, is not something we can take lightly, especially given we are targeting more than one trophy this season; given our capabilities at the moment (inclusive of the injuries).

Another thing I'd like to shed light on ... I hate this talk of bring in the youth cause they can run. That **** does not hold weight in my book, indicative of Antonini and Abate's performances towards us conceding a goal last night.

I can accept a slip up from time to time, and this defeat I can accept, but the fact remains, our youth project still needs more time for us to bear the fruits of it all, otherwise, we cant depend on them ... Not even Merkel or Verdi.

Posted by: Coldest Dec 19 2010, 10:23 AM

I respect Ronnie for it. By the way, he keeps his mouth shut, while Allegri's talking some bullshit about him...

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Dec 19 2010, 11:23 AM

Both sides have a point. But...

It certainly has to do with Allegris small-club coach mentality, but that can change.
Catenaccio? Haha. Well, that's maybe what the modern generation of football fans think, but sorry to dissapoint you, Milan vs. Inter and the real catenaccio are like Andriy Shevchenko and Serhiy Skachenko.


...or to the offense


Sometimes. But his time at Milan is over. Allegri is making a clear message, which I translate as: "Don't think about your salary, rather go to 'insert name', then think about you better salary here."


Yes. The Maicon we knew last season...surely. He wouldn't have let Bori come even close to that oppotunity.


Oh, for god sake, again that Leonardo argument. Yes, he did, but so what? I'm really not a fan of that man, why do we have to go back every time Allegri makes a mistake and pull in the 'poor Leonardo had so little to work with' discussion?

Posted by: Fishdoll Dec 19 2010, 12:46 PM

I also don't get the Leonardo argument. He had, arguably, more issues with how he coached the team than Allegri seems to. Perhaps those raising the argument are doing so because Leonardo played the players they like?

Posted by: han2503 Dec 19 2010, 01:00 PM

Well one thing can be said for Leo, he actually tried, not just shouted at people without doing anything about it.

I'm so fead up with him, as Filippo said he still has the small club mentality, he has failed in every big test he's had so far, Juventus and Roma should have been easy games for us, simple. And if his plan A is not working then he should get off his @ss and implement plan B, not wait for Ibrahimovic to do something spectacular.

Fact here is that Dinho should have come on earlier, simple, we were 1 down, we had nothing to lose, yet he waites around until the 85th to put him in just to rub his face in it, I;m sure.

Also speaking of Leo and people wanting him because he played the players we liked, it's very much not about that, Leo gave fair chances to players who deserve it, Dinho was in fact one of out best players last season, and we wouldn't have got where we did if he wasn't there. Allegri is letting petty things get in the way of his running of the team. As for Dinho in general at least he's showing class and being a professional about it all, he says nothing, comes on at ridiculous times in the match without so much as frowning, that's commendable in my book and certainly mopre classy then what our current coach has showed over the past 2 months.

I wanted Allegri at first, but I really didn't think that he was this one dimensional, people blast Leo for being a rookie but Allegri is just the same, he's a rookie that any old coach that knows a thing or 2 will beat him easily. Ranieri and Del Neri played him, same thing with Mourinho. And I agree with Filippo, he our Zaccheroni, hopefully we win the Scudetto this season and he's out on his @ss after that.

I want Spalletti!!!!

Posted by: Fishdoll Dec 19 2010, 01:05 PM

Gonna disagree with you on part of that, han. Leo gave chances to the players he liked. He treated a number of senior players like utter crap. (viz. Pirlo, Rino, Pippo).

We have no way of knowing with absolute certainty why Ronaldinho isn't being played. Have we been at training sessions? Or meetings with his agent and the club? Or are we privy to other inside information? Not so much.

I do agree that a sub - Ronaldinho or someone else - should have been made much earlier (and I've already mentioned that in this thread).

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Dec 19 2010, 01:19 PM

In Allegri's defense - I belive he will make subs earlier as soon as Pato is fit and Cassano is there. He should learn, I really hope he'll learn. And one could also ask what is Tassotti doing? Someone like him, with years and years experience beside Carletto and Leo could have said something to the coach.

Posted by: nuh Dec 19 2010, 01:55 PM

i knew me leaving would bring luck the last time i logged on was juve's game and the first time was before yesterdays game -.-

Posted by: han2503 Dec 19 2010, 01:59 PM

Rino played like cr@p last season, throughout all of it, so he had a reason to do that, And don't really know what you're referring to in regards to Pirlo though... As for Pippo, he was given chances, but Boriello worked best in the 4-3-3. It's not like Leo made him get on the pitch every week at nearly the 90th minute, now that is disrespect and something that is a slap in the face to the player, whether he's a Primavera or a star you don't do that, and that is something that Leo never did to either Rino nor Pippo.

As for training, he trains regularly with the rest of the team, had there been any disputes or him not showing up or getting to training late we would have surely heard about it. Allegri made a meal out of Ronaldinho staying out late once, so I can't imagine what would happen had he not showed up for training or something along those lines

As for the sub, what we needed was creativity, not a striker imo, had Pato been put on he would have struggled just as much if not more then Ibra due to the long ball tactic we had been using the moment Pirlo went off. Seedorf was just aweful and instead of creating he was making things worse for the team, but I'm sure he will get rewarded for such a performance, while other players, like Dinho and Sokratis for example have been banished for much less.

@ Filippo I don't believe that for a second, I think Allegri is just a coward who has been able to hide behind Ibra, that's why he's so late to make changes, he's afraid of changing things up, of upsetting his carefully laid out plans even when they are not working. Had Pato been on the bench he would have probably put him on slightly earlier, but nothing would have changed because we would have mos likely stuck to the same long ball system that we had been playing for nearly the entire match aside from the first 20 minutes

Posted by: Fishdoll Dec 19 2010, 02:09 PM

han, let's say we agree to disagree on this one. You're not seeing what I saw -- the many, many times Pippo wasn't brought on (even after warming up on the sidelines for most of a half), the crap way Pirlo was treated and shunted into a pure DM position, and yeah, I also think that part of the reason Rino had issues last year was because of the way Leonardo treated him.

So, agree to disagree or do I need to untie the penguins?

Posted by: han2503 Dec 19 2010, 02:26 PM

I'm not saying that Leo was without his flaws and Pippo might have been warmed up for no reason but at least he wasn't subjected to 4 minute spells, I think that is even worse. As for Pirlo, I don't think him being played in a certain position has anything to do with being treated badly, Pirlo played verious positions under Leo, especially when Ambro was doing so well in the pure DM position in front of the defense.

Rino's troubles started after the Inter game, there was friction yes, but Leo didn't resort to humiliating Rino either.

Anyways, never going to see eye to eye with this but Leo won me over a lot more then Allegri when we weren't doing as well, simply because he at least tried, something that Allegri doesn't do unless Plan A is working, he's so slow in reacting, he needs an entire week to correct a mistake that any other coach would only take a few minutes to solve during a game, not wait for that game to finish and then think up something else

EDIT

PS don't treathen with the penguins, now that is low!!!! Even for a fish like you!

Posted by: William405 Dec 19 2010, 02:54 PM

Here's something funny that Allegri said:

Andrea had been playing very well up until then, but Clarence Seedorf impressed in a difficult situation when he came off the bench,” continued Allegri.


Football-italia.com

Posted by: Fishdoll Dec 19 2010, 03:30 PM

Surely you know by this point that I am a fish utterly without shame.

(and, well, yeah. agree to disagree.)

Posted by: X-Offender Dec 19 2010, 03:47 PM

It looks like Pato and Pirlo won't be ready for Cagliari, and also Thiago and Flamini are in strong doubt. Pirlo's injury especially seems quite serious. Not to mention Ibra will be disqualified. Me not like.

http://www.sportmediaset.mediaset.it/calcio/articoli/articolo49551.shtml

Posted by: acid911 Dec 19 2010, 03:47 PM

That's the last straw! You don't ever thank the dork, his performance will dip even further. Our delusional coach should at least know this by now. Praise any other player, praise the kit, the uniform, the roundness of the ball even, but never our so-called number 10.

Posted by: William405 Dec 19 2010, 03:53 PM

Pirlo injured himself yesterday,If I recall correctly.

There's a training camp in Dubai this winter?

Posted by: X-Offender Dec 19 2010, 04:31 PM

Yes. The official website just communicated that Pirlo will be out for 4 weeks, but will join the rest of the team in Dubai on the 27th. So, he should be back for Milan-Cesena, hopefully.

Posted by: Dracoris Dec 19 2010, 05:07 PM

He's on drugs. Thats the only thing that can explain his behavior.

Posted by: Jack Bauer Dec 19 2010, 05:44 PM

Wow

Seedorf looked yesterday like a finished player. I hope we'll buy another midfielder in order to reduce his role even further.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Dec 19 2010, 07:13 PM

Naah, Seedorf was bad, but hey, we shouldn't push it that far. Finished player or not, it's up to him and not us.

Anyway, typicall small-club coach comment. Cheap mental trick - praising an obviously terrible player in order to achieve a positive mental effect.

Posted by: acid911 Dec 19 2010, 07:20 PM

+1. Now I know how Tassoti feels, he would have been a much better choice if we were going for a low-profile coach. A famous, world class winner coach I can understand, but I cringe every time I see Tassoti (as the background guy) in shots with Leo and Allegri.

Seriously a very poor comment from our coach. It won't do anyone (particularly Seedorf) any good.

Posted by: Zed.D Dec 20 2010, 09:27 AM

Wow, Allegri's comments can be really weird sometimes. it's even worse than the "we weren't arrogant enough" one ( )

He has some obvious flaws, but I'm still on his side. I don't get all the "we're top despite him" talk either. no one can tell if that's true or false. if we were in the 3rd place now, I'd be the one bashing him more than everyone else on here! but FFS we're at the top. we've been at the top for some time now. with Leo we managed this for a whopping 1 week. yes I'm aware of the "Leo didn't have this player or that player" argument, but still when we reached the top, we gave it away very cheaply. mentally, something was wrong with the team back then. ANYWAY... Cassano and a good FB and I'll be content with our transfer window. it's not realistic to wish for more than that.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Dec 20 2010, 11:37 AM

A FB and a CF is what we are getting this winter, this as per Maldini senior. I think it will be a cope if we get Cassano, a couple of years ago I wouldn't have approved, but now I am desperate to see something devastating upfront.

But I keep thinking with Ibra and Robinho already cementing their positions as regulars ... And with Cassano, what on earth will happen to Pato ? I mean Allegri said that Pato will have to work hard to earn his place in his team ... This, coupled with our losses year-on-year, might mean Pato's days at San Siro are on a countdown basis.

I don't like what I just wrote, but all the signs are there ... I am worried for Pato

Posted by: Danny Dec 20 2010, 02:10 PM

Late post here, but just wanted to apologise for the result. It was my first Milan game on HD after finally resubscribing to ESPN - and lo and behold we put in one of our worst performances of the season.

I feel like I'm to blame.

Posted by: Danny Dec 20 2010, 02:11 PM

Loosely greed. Always been a big fan of Seedorf but this was some of the worst he's played in a very long time.
In saying that he was anything but match sharp so perhaps he has an excuse.

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Dec 20 2010, 02:56 PM

LMAO

Posted by: acid911 Dec 20 2010, 03:02 PM

Seriously, it was a bad move from the coach. He should have said something along the lines that: "Seedorf had an off day, but he will bounce back next game". That would have been appropriate. His current comment will not do anyone any good, particularly Seedorf who may be lulled into a false sense of security.

I am not doubting his talents or even his place as a sub in the team, but as our number 10 he should try and be more decisive - not make a through ball every now and then and go missing rest of the match. Or a stretch of matches. Seedorf's performance was marginally better last month, but these last few matches his form is off again. That is not good if we are aiming for titles (league or Europe). Oh well.

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Dec 20 2010, 05:22 PM

I think there is more to this loss then meets the eyes. why did he keep ronnie out? why didn't he use another sub?
it could have been a message to his starters, that we live and die by them. If you are feeling lazy, don't take for granted i will sub you out. if your getting embarassed, you better play through it. I f****** promise you the next game (had it been next week) i'd start seedorf....twice!! i don't like to think at this game like a small-time coach not subbing, but big-name players getting humbled. Half full anywone?

Posted by: acid911 Dec 20 2010, 05:50 PM

Agreed mate, well said. I actually am more disappointed with this loss than the Juve one. It would have been a chance to go in the winter break with the biggest lead since 1992. Now we're down to a 3-point lead, which I am grateful for nonetheless. But I don't know, I expected a draw at most here.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Dec 20 2010, 06:01 PM

On the other hand, Roma traditionally is a very nasty guest at San Siro. We lost last season also, and our score with them overall isn't impressive considering the last few season.

The only thing we can do right now is put a little bit more faith in the fact that people are capable of learning, and that Allegri will eventually do this. I still haven't lost my patience.

Posted by: X-Offender Dec 20 2010, 06:22 PM

Last season we actually beat them 2-1.

Posted by: acid911 Dec 20 2010, 06:26 PM

True. Romans have been scrapping off points from Milan for a good few seasons now. Which doesn't exactly make much sense, they are a good team but not that good. I still remember last year's dab 0-0 draw in Rome.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Dec 21 2010, 07:47 AM

la merda's previous seasons always found Roma taking points off them, yet they still claimed the title ... I don't see why the same wont happen to us

Posted by: Bluesummers Dec 21 2010, 09:04 AM

sexy avatar

Posted by: Zed.D Dec 22 2010, 04:11 PM

Pato? Ibra and Cassano are the future. who needs a 21yo talent?!

I think, however, if Pato is played as a CF and no more winger ****, he will shine once again. otherwise, we would have to sell him to Barca and that'd be great for the kid...

Posted by: Danny Dec 22 2010, 07:40 PM

Pato should be played in a free role up front - he could interchange with Robinho on the wings with license to cut inside and play centrally.

But as he'll be injured for the rest of his career, does it even matter?

Posted by: X-Offender Dec 22 2010, 08:50 PM

Zed will hate your guts for saying that.

Posted by: Danny Dec 22 2010, 09:49 PM

He will know it's true. Unfortunately we all do. It's a real shame, as he had SO much potential to be one of the world's best. But it's all wasting away into the treatment table.

Posted by: X-Offender Dec 22 2010, 10:40 PM

Normally, I'd agree with you. But the kid is only 21, so perhaps his problems are remediable. He left for North Carolina some days ago to visit the most well known doctor specialized in muscular problems, hopefully he'll have an answer to our problems.

Posted by: William405 Dec 22 2010, 10:44 PM

Something funny to cheer ya up(said by the one and only Zamparini )

“I want this squad to fight for the Champions League. We can finish sixth or seventh and that’s fine, as long as we battle. However, without refereeing errors, clearly this Palermo would be top of the table right now.”

Haha

Posted by: X-Offender Dec 22 2010, 11:11 PM

"Good" old Zamparini.

Posted by: Zed.D Dec 22 2010, 11:28 PM

I know what's true? that he will be injured for the rest of his career? sorry dude these injuries will pass sooner or later.

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Dec 23 2010, 01:22 AM

To be quite frank - both of you seem pretty confident in your statements, when in fact you're both just speculating!

There is no sure way of saying what his future injuries are going to be like.

Posted by: Danny Dec 23 2010, 04:49 PM

Sore?

Posted by: Danny Dec 23 2010, 04:50 PM

I don't want to be right because he really is such a talent. So hopefully you're correct and it's sooner.

Posted by: Danny Dec 23 2010, 04:52 PM

Well hope springs eternal. I remember that mazy dribble V Lecce near the start of last season and I saw a world class talent capable of anything.

Since then it's all been in fits and starts.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Dec 23 2010, 05:12 PM

Injury prone players are injury prone.

Posted by: X-Offender Dec 23 2010, 06:27 PM

Not necessarily. Remember Ambrosini until 3-4 years ago, used to break like glass. But he's barely had any grave injuries ever since. I think it's all psychological. Pato is too afraid of being injured, which also affects his ability to express his true potential.

Posted by: Zed.D Dec 23 2010, 09:43 PM

Come on, you're smarter than that. you can't use the word injury in its broad meaning here.

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Dec 30 2010, 04:14 PM

when's the cagliari thread starting?