The players are the ones barely putting in any effort, but ultimately that is all on the coach

I think you're missing my entire point and turning this into the rebuilding argument once again. When this has nothing to do with that. So you expect us to keep losing and drawing every game for the next 2 years while we "rebuild" (and even that rebuilding notion is still far fetched to me). Because that's what you're implying when you say "I wish Milan provided us with better results, but this is ultimately what we have to deal with. You either accept it as it is " and imo that is just plain BS becuase I know that this group of players can do a hell of a lot better than they currently are given the right direction. So I am 100% blaming Allegri for this.

The management had a hand by giving him this squad, and no it's not a top side, but we have quality, we have the means to make it into the top 3, but with Allegri at the helm we'll barely scrape mid-table. He was never good enough to coach this team. Before he had the players that could change the course of a game with one kick, now he doesn't have that anymore, these players need to work like a well oiled machine to achive good results and it's simply not there.

Juve last season did not have a top class squad, they had a good one. And no they certainly were not better than us, not in a million years, but they played like a well oiled machine while we relied on Ibra to bail us out 95% of the time.

And that is the problem here. Not that we're not good enough or this or that. If saying that you accept this give you comfort than all the power to you. But I cannot accept this. Had I seen some form of effort or better play from the team than I would agree with you, but that's not the case. The tactics are non-existant, the system is not working, the substitutions Allegri made were ridiculous and ineffectual, the players are not motivated and they're low on morale. These are all things that the coach has control over. He might not have had a say in the sales of our star players but he has control over this and he's showing himself to be pig headed and stubborn when his system is clearly not functioning

It was always going to be a tough season wasn't it. Our squad has potential, but Milan fan's aren't used to that - they're used to having a squad full of 'world class' players and instant results. It's not a nice situation to be faced with if you've followed the team for a number of years - but it is what it is. Everyone has seen the balance sheets - I think most people can appreciate that deep down, the club are trying to do the right thing by aligning the club's outgoings with it's income - but again, it's a bitter pill to swallow when that's something you're not used to.

Give Allegri time. I agree, some of his decisions so far have been questionable, and things aren't going to plan right now - but I think he deserves the chance to try and turn it around. To me, it makes sense to judge this new team, and Allegri, at the Christmas break - not after 4 games.

Everyone agrees - improvement is needed.

Yes of course we can do better. There is always an upside once you fall this low. Thing is, these are the players Allegri has. Time is needed. Just that this is something to be expected of the team.

Juventus took two years in Serie A to get back to contention and won the Scudetto with a squad you wouldn't even consider worthy of a top four finish. But they did it as you said, and that did not happen over night is all I am saying.




Yup, sums it all up really. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/king.gif)

No one really expected us to win anything this season, in fact all of us basically laughed when Galliani demanded the title from Allegri. Simply because it's not do-able with the squad we have atm. That being said the team right now is not even that, it's a bunch of individuals running around on grass with no idea of what to do.

Allegri imo has been given enough time. His reliance on Ibra to achieve anything has became blatantly obvious. He's just not the man that will be able to move us forward. No matter how much time is given.

I have faith that this squad can achieve moderately good results. We have some talented players in the group imo. Mexes, Abate, DS, Zapata, Monto, De Jong, Nocerino, Prince, Bojan, Robinho, Pato; these are all players who have quality but are being used incorrectly by our coach. I'm 100% positive that if we get the right man for the job he'll be able to get the best out of what we have. Which imo, is a CL spot and a decent CL run.


Yes, time is needed, but like I said to mike. Allegri is just not the man for this job. This is simply beyond him.

Like I said, we cannot be compared to Juve. Yes we lost a lot this summer, but Juve crawled back from Serie B, and it's not like they made massive changes, they don't have a squad full of stars. Most of their players would be rotation fodder in the big teams around europe. But they finally chose the right man for the job. Conte is what made that team fight like dogs last season. He pushed them to that Scudetto. That squad massively over-achieved last season.

I just want to ask you one question, and I hope you answer me clearly and not beat around the bush without giving me a truthful answer.

What do you really think of Allegri and how he performed as a coach a Milan? What do think of his tactical and man management skills?

Well Juventus had to restructure its squad once it came back from Serie B. The same took two poor Serie A performances for them to build their Scudetto winning squad under Conte.

I drew this comparison cause we are in the same seat. We don't have the Champion players we once had and are rebuilding.

To me, both cases are comparable in that regard.



Allegri is average at man management, his tactical choices leaves much to be desired and his performance as coach is appalling in Europe.

That said, he did win a Scudetto and Super Cup in his first two seasons with us. He is tasked with one of the most difficult jobs in European football right now. With that said, I concur he needs time. It is only the start of the season and a lot can change with time ...

Then again the club could opt to axe him and provide us with an alternative, two or three ala Palermo ... Fact of the matter is, this squad leaves a lot to be desired as well.

If our only hope is Montolivo and Pato, then God help all of us through this season (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

This post has been edited by Rossoneri7: Sep 20 2012, 12:55 PM