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Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jan 13 2014, 11:52 AM

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Milan have confirmed that Massimiliano Allegri has left his position as Coach, after three-and-a-half years at the club.

The 46-year-old was widely believed on Sunday evening to have managed his last game for the Rossoneri, after the club fell to a surprise 4-3 reverse at strugglers Sassuolo.

On from Barbara Berlusconi labelling change at the club as ‘necessary and urgent’ and Milan sources indicating an announcement would come on Monday, the Diavolo have communicated their decision on the matter.

“Milan announce that it has relieved of their duties as Coach of the first team, with immediate effect, Massimiliano Allegri and his staff,” Milan’s statement released this morning reads.

“Milan would like to thank Mr Allegri and his staff for the work done and wishes them the best of success professionally.

“The team is temporarily assigned to the technical guidance of Mauro Tassotti.”

Allegri took over at San Siro in June 2010 and went on to win the Scudetto in his first season, before finishing second in 2011-12 and managing third place last season.

The Livorno-born tactician leaves with the Rossoneri sat 11th in Serie A after the first round of League fixtures, on 22 points.


SOURCE: Football Italia

About bloody time. Glad we put him out of his misery.

Here is the official Milan twitter feed.

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#ACMilan Official Communication: Massimiliano Allegri and his staff have been relieved of their duties

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jan 13 2014, 11:53 AM

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Milan have confirmed that Massimiliano Allegri has left his position as Coach, after three-and-a-half years at the club.

The 46-year-old was widely believed on Sunday evening to have managed his last game for the Rossoneri, after the club fell to a surprise 4-3 reverse at strugglers Sassuolo.

On from Barbara Berlusconi labelling change at the club as ‘necessary and urgent’ and Milan sources indicating an announcement would come on Monday, the Diavolo have communicated their decision on the matter.

“Milan announce that it has relieved of their duties as Coach of the first team, with immediate effect, Massimiliano Allegri and his staff,” Milan’s statement released this morning reads.

“Milan would like to thank Mr Allegri and his staff for the work done and wishes them the best of success professionally.

“The team is temporarily assigned to the technical guidance of Mauro Tassotti.”

Allegri took over at San Siro in June 2010 and went on to win the Scudetto in his first season, before finishing second in 2011-12 and managing third place last season.

The Livorno-born tactician leaves with the Rossoneri sat 11th in Serie A after the first round of League fixtures, on 22 points.

http://football-italia.net/43761/official-milan-sack-allegri

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jan 13 2014, 11:59 AM

I've been waiting for this to happen, I'm interested to see with a more liked coach in charge where the blame will lie when we're still not challenging up the top end.

EDIT: You beat me by a minute, Jack, you can delete my first post (if you're able to?)

Posted by: X-Offender Jan 13 2014, 11:59 AM


Posted by: KillerMax Jan 13 2014, 12:05 PM


Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jan 13 2014, 12:15 PM

@kurt: I merged it.

A new coach will bring a small boost as is typical, with players playing to impress. More importantly it keeps the rabid fans at bay to appoint a fan favourite.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jan 13 2014, 12:18 PM

I expect a small honeymoon period where things pick up a little, then defeats against Napoli, Juve and going out of the CL with knock us back down and things will be as you were.

Problem is the players know there will be yet another new coach at the end of the season anyway, so they an afford to half **** it.

Posted by: X-Offender Jan 13 2014, 12:21 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jan 13 2014, 02:18 PM) *
I expect a small honeymoon period where things pick up a little, then defeats against Napoli, Juve and going out of the CL with knock us back down and things will be as you were.

Problem is the players know there will be yet another new coach at the end of the season anyway, so they an afford to half **** it.


This season is lost. But at least we won't have to deal anymore with the antics of that amateur, wannabe, piece of sh*t of a coach any longer.

Posted by: X-Offender Jan 13 2014, 12:24 PM

So, Seedorf could come right now.

http://gianlucadimarzio.com/calcio/milan-seedorf-pronto-a-dire-si-le-ultime/

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jan 13 2014, 12:25 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 13 2014, 01:24 PM) *
So, Seedorf could come right now.

http://gianlucadimarzio.com/calcio/milan-seedorf-pronto-a-dire-si-le-ultime/

That's better than having a temp coach. At least that gives him 20 or so games to mess with and find what fits so we can hopefully hit the ground running next season.

Posted by: X-Offender Jan 13 2014, 12:25 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jan 13 2014, 02:25 PM) *
That's better than having a temp coach. At least that gives him 20 or so games to mess with and find what fits so we can hopefully hit the ground running next season.


+1

Posted by: Nova Jan 13 2014, 12:45 PM

Now lets see what will change ... Nothing !!!

Allegri had to leave yes , along with a few players. Starting with the
cheech & chong in defence...

Posted by: X-Offender Jan 13 2014, 12:46 PM

QUOTE (Nova @ Jan 13 2014, 02:45 PM) *
Now lets see what will change ... Nothing !!!


Well, obviously. You can't expect things to change in the blink of an eye.

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Jan 13 2014, 12:48 PM



... all bullsh!t aside, everyone knows I used to stand up for Allegri, but it honestly became unbearable, particularly this season.

Hopefully this is the catalyst for change that we so desire!

Posted by: han2503 Jan 13 2014, 12:49 PM



@ kurt, I don't expect us to storm up the table, this season, as x-off said, is 100% lost. But anything is better than what we're currently going/went through under that idiot

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Jan 13 2014, 12:58 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 13 2014, 08:46 AM) *
Well, obviously. You can't expect things to change in the blink of an eye.

Agreed. Our expectations shouldn't be set high.

We need to remain realistic and understand how badly off we are right now.

It is highly unlikely that we will see some great improvement straight away; if we do great, but time is needed.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jan 13 2014, 01:00 PM

This is only one small step. There's still the problem of Silvio, Galliani and the playing squad. Who knows if Seedorf will even be a capable coach? There's a long road ahead.

Posted by: Danny Jan 13 2014, 01:13 PM

X-Off - if you don't remove that signature now, I'm going to assault you with a large inflatable balloon in the shape of a zebra.

Posted by: Danny Jan 13 2014, 01:15 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jan 13 2014, 12:00 PM) *
This is only one small step. There's still the problem of Silvio, Galliani and the playing squad. Who knows if Seedorf will even be a capable coach? There's a long road ahead.


I'm going to be stupidly optimistic and say that with a defence of Abate, Rami, Mexes, Zapata, Urby and DS, a midfield of De Jong, Poli, Honda and maybe Essien, with an attack of Balo, Kaka, Pazzo and Robinho...can I dare predict a groundswell of improvement?

Posted by: X-Offender Jan 13 2014, 01:26 PM

The reaction of every Milan fan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qogd5-bhbFg#t=16

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Posted by: X-Offender Jan 13 2014, 01:27 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Jan 13 2014, 03:13 PM) *
X-Off - if you don't remove that signature now, I'm going to assault you with a large inflatable balloon in the shape of a zebra.


Done! thumbup.gif

Posted by: Danny Jan 13 2014, 01:28 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 13 2014, 12:27 PM) *
Done! thumbup.gif


Christ you look different already! Where is X-Off and what have you done with the mad angry b*stard?

Posted by: X-Offender Jan 13 2014, 01:32 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Jan 13 2014, 03:28 PM) *
Christ you look different already! Where is X-Off and what have you done with the mad angry b*stard?


That X-Off is gone with Allegri. This is a brand new X-Off, cool as Spike Spiegel. cool.gif

Posted by: han2503 Jan 13 2014, 01:57 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 13 2014, 01:26 PM) *
The reaction of every Milan fan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qogd5-bhbFg#t=16

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laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Berardi should be given the Nobel prize. Seriously. The guy will be considered a saint in the eyes of all Milan fans

Posted by: Linkman Jan 13 2014, 02:13 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Jan 13 2014, 10:57 AM) *
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Berardi should be given the Nobel prize. Seriously. The guy will be considered a saint in the eyes of all Milan fans


I love the kid already.

Posted by: William405 Jan 13 2014, 02:22 PM

Oh, this was posted here. Sorry, posted it in the Winter thread. Other than watching just the end of the Carlo Ancelotti era, I really haven't religiously followed Milan being coached by a really decent coach. We had Leo which basically built a team around Ronaldinho. It worked like a charm, but the defense was unstable, and well Ronaldihno wouldn't last forever. He also didn't know how to incoperate players which great potential such as Huntelaar.

We then passed through Allegri's phase. The impressive thing about his first year is that he actually won the Scudetto..just the fact that he did, and nothing else. I really can say he did commit a lot of mistakes during that period, but it was his first season at a big club, and we were pretty much hopeful that he'd grow out of his mistakes. A lot of his "tactical innovations" had to do with Ibra being a beast, and playing everyone through.

Though, the work he did on our defense was commendable. I remember how he used to say, to win a Scudetto..you have to start out from defense. The defensive phase is so important, not only when you don't have the ball. It's how you deal with the flow of the match overall. Stuff such as handling counter attacks, marking special players etc...

I wonder where that part of his tactics went. Although, he did not used to play the most entertaining football or took a lot of risk, but there was a good element to his Ac Milan team in a sense. Did the players just stop listening to him? Or did he just change the ways? I'd say it's more of the former actually. Specially, with the lack of discipline in this club. This year it's mostly been us losing points just because of not being able to defend our lead. Probably the statistics would indicate us not having a disastrous season in terms of scoring goals at all.

Also, just to be clear. I'm not saying that players don't take any of the blame. But, there are specific things that a coach should be taken responsible for. Even Allegri knows he f*cked up in the Sassuolo game, and said explicitly.

I honestly hope we don't hire any of Inzaghi or Seedorf.

Inzaghi is still too raw for this job. He'll push up the mentality that's for sure, but is he experienced enough to handle everything that involves coaching a big team. I don't think he can at the moment.

Seedorf is brilliant, he understands the game so well. But seriously..he hasn't even coached a team yet. I don't know, it's a huge gamble. But, maybe just maybe..one worth taking.

Keeping Tasotti as an interim coach, until next season may be the best thing to do. Although, I'm a bit afraid of Tassoti..He's been satisfied with working for Allegri for the last..3 and a half years. tongue.gif

Posted by: Ry4n Jan 13 2014, 02:25 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 13 2014, 05:26 PM) *
The reaction of every Milan fan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qogd5-bhbFg#t=16

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laugh.gif been along time coming sad it was drawn out this long ! defeat after defeat , draw after draw.

Posted by: Zed.D Jan 13 2014, 02:36 PM

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I was being honest when I said I'd be shocked if he wasn't sacked immediately last night. it was obvious there'd be no mercy this time.

I don't know how this will affect our results but I have to admit, I'm glad I won't be seeing his constipated face anymore.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jan 13 2014, 02:51 PM

I just hope they don't throw in Seedorf into this mess. It would be kind of unfair. Now we need someone like Cesare Maldini, an interim coach to make the best out of this terrible terrible situation. So the new coach, Seedorf or not, can have a good take at what he needs to change, get rid of or adapt.

Posted by: X-Offender Jan 13 2014, 03:17 PM

http://www.football-italia.net/43762/%E2%80%98seedorf-free-any-time%E2%80%99

I think Seedorf could be the right man for job, but not right away. I agree with Fillipo that someone like Cesare Maldini might be the proper solution until the end of the season.

Posted by: X-Offender Jan 13 2014, 03:23 PM

Tassotti will lead the team on Wednesday in Coppa Italia, Seedorf could be at Milanello on Thursday. Milan Channel confirmed that Inzaghi will continue training the Primavera.

http://www.video.mediaset.it/video/sportmediaset/calcio/432174/milan-vertice-ad-arcore.html

Posted by: X-Offender Jan 13 2014, 03:38 PM

Allegri has left Milanello.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out. dry.gif

Posted by: Dracoris Jan 13 2014, 04:14 PM

Looks like we might hear something official about Seedorf soon....

Risk worth taking, I think. We can't really get much worse.

Posted by: han2503 Jan 13 2014, 04:24 PM

QUOTE (Dracoris @ Jan 13 2014, 04:14 PM) *
Looks like we might hear something official about Seedorf soon....

Risk worth taking, I think. We can't really get much worse.

Well as kurt said, these next few months would give him the time needed to adapt so it's not all new and a huge shock when he's pushed in next season.

The season is lost anyway, might as well use these next few months for Seedorf to discover his footballing identity as a coach.

Posted by: X-Offender Jan 13 2014, 04:45 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Jan 13 2014, 06:24 PM) *
The season is lost anyway.


Well, we could still win the Coppa Italia and.... CL.











































Posted by: acid911 Jan 13 2014, 05:00 PM

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Posted by: han2503 Jan 13 2014, 05:18 PM

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Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jan 13 2014, 06:05 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Jan 13 2014, 07:24 PM) *
Well as kurt said, these next few months would give him the time needed to adapt so it's not all new and a huge shock when he's pushed in next season.

The season is lost anyway, might as well use these next few months for Seedorf to discover his footballing identity as a coach.


Well, I hope Seedorf reconsiders and declines an offer from Milan. I doubt 4 months of Serie A will be enough for him to discover his ability as coach. We could very well play in Serie B next season if results go against expectations.

On paper, our squad could be argued to win Serie A. But arguing the claim and actually implementing it on the field are two very different things altogether.

The team is not a champion team, and Seedorf will be starting from scratch and will need more than the next 4 months to get things into rhythm. I would rather he trained a club with lower ambitions and proves himself there before taking the reigns of Milan.


With that said, what say you of Mauro?

Posted by: han2503 Jan 13 2014, 07:01 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jan 13 2014, 06:05 PM) *
Well, I hope Seedorf reconsiders and declines an offer from Milan. I doubt 4 months of Serie A will be enough for him to discover his ability as coach. We could very well play in Serie B next season if results go against expectations.

On paper, our squad could be argued to win Serie A. But arguing the claim and actually implementing it on the field are two very different things altogether.

The team is not a champion team, and Seedorf will be starting from scratch and will need more than the next 4 months to get things into rhythm. I would rather he trained a club with lower ambitions and proves himself there before taking the reigns of Milan.


With that said, what say you of Mauro?

Personally I have faith in Seedorf to surprise us and pull out something no one expected. He's a highly intelligent individual. I really do think he'll surprise us all. would I have liked someone more experienced considering the situation we're in as not being ideal? Of course, but considering all key points I think Seedorf might be a good choice, and if not there's always the season after it, we've already wasted 2 and a half years under Allegri going backwards at an alarming rate, what's another year?

And I do understand where you're coming from that bringing him in now and it not working out could taint what Seedorf stands for at Milan and a possible appointment for him as our coach in the future when he's more experienced could also be ruled out. It is a worry in the back of my head. But at this point I'd take anyone

Regarding Tasso, I don't think he has the character for it, he's been the shadow man at Milan for over a decade now. He doesn't strike me as an assertive person, just someone who's there to help out the players and be the communicative link between them and the coach. In fact, if I'm being completely honest I'd say that it's time for him to go as well.

We need a fresh start.

Posted by: Jack Bauer Jan 13 2014, 08:08 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZXvLsltu2A

Posted by: mishie Jan 13 2014, 09:19 PM

HOORAY!!!! ABOUT TIME!!! PERHAPS TIME TO ENJOY FOOTBALL AGAIN

Posted by: X-Offender Jan 13 2014, 10:09 PM

Davids could also be part of Seedorf's staff, alongside Stam and Crespo. Tassotti will continue being the vice-coach until June.

Source: Mediaset

Posted by: mishie Jan 13 2014, 10:13 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 13 2014, 11:09 PM) *
Davids could also be part of Seedorf's staff, alongside Stam and Crespo. Tassotti will continue being the vice-coach until June.

Source: Mediaset

I like the look of that...thats got youth players being developed written all over it

Posted by: dst Jan 13 2014, 10:38 PM

I'm happy Allegri's gone but Seedorf is probably (as is most times the case) going to be a mediocre coach. Let's hope he beats the odds.

Posted by: Zed.D Jan 13 2014, 10:55 PM

^^ While I have the same sentiments, if there's one person out there who can defy the odds, it's Zeeman himself. it's a 50-50 shot IMO, could go either way, but the risk is worth taking.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jan 13 2014, 10:58 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 14 2014, 12:09 AM) *
Davids could also be part of Seedorf's staff, alongside Stam and Crespo. Tassotti will continue being the vice-coach until June.

Source: Mediaset

So, eventually this will be the end of Tassotti as well, or?

I like the combination, but it lacks the usual Milan names. Sheva, Costacurta, Albertini, Rino and especially Maldini.

Posted by: Zed.D Jan 13 2014, 11:04 PM

Would Maldini agree to work with Zee the way Zidane does Carlo? they would make an atomic combination. we wouldn't need Tassoti to be there anymore either.

Posted by: han2503 Jan 13 2014, 11:06 PM

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jan 13 2014, 11:04 PM) *
Would Maldini agree to work with Zee the way Zidane does Carlo? they would make an atomic combination. we wouldn't need Tassoti to be there anymore either.

I don't think Maldini wants to coach, he'd best be utilised in more of a management role. Maybe Leo's old position or even Braida's

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jan 13 2014, 11:33 PM

Yes, Braida's. And the fact that Milan haven't fill this position gives me hope. I also think Albertini would be good to have around.

Posted by: X-Offender Jan 14 2014, 01:44 AM

QUOTE (dst @ Jan 14 2014, 12:38 AM) *
I'm happy Allegri's gone but Seedorf is probably (as is most times the case) going to be a mediocre coach. Let's hope he beats the odds.


You think so? I think Seedorf has all it takes to become a great coach. He's smart and he's a leader, has passion, charisma and incredible experience as a player, and is a midfielder. All great coaches were midfielders as players. Capello, Trapattoni, Ancelotti, Guardiola, Conte, Hiddink, Rijkaard just to name a few.

Posted by: X-Offender Jan 14 2014, 01:51 AM



http://www.sportmediaset.mediaset.it/calcio/milan/2014/articoli/1023531/milan-allegri-esonerato-arriva-seedorf.shtml

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jan 14 2014, 02:34 AM

QUOTE (dst @ Jan 13 2014, 11:38 PM) *
I'm happy Allegri's gone but Seedorf is probably (as is most times the case) going to be a mediocre coach. Let's hope he beats the odds.

I think he'll be a terrible coach. He's an intelligent person, but that's not enough. He'll keep getting jobs because his name is Seedorf, but I'll be shocked if he's ever successful.

Posted by: X-Offender Jan 14 2014, 02:43 AM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jan 14 2014, 04:34 AM) *
I think he'll be a terrible coach.


Can you explain why you think that?

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jan 14 2014, 07:37 AM

It's pretty much a gamble. Those are just educated guesses at best.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jan 14 2014, 08:23 AM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Jan 13 2014, 10:01 PM) *
Personally I have faith in Seedorf to surprise us and pull out something no one expected. He's a highly intelligent individual. I really do think he'll surprise us all. would I have liked someone more experienced considering the situation we're in as not being ideal? Of course, but considering all key points I think Seedorf might be a good choice, and if not there's always the season after it, we've already wasted 2 and a half years under Allegri going backwards at an alarming rate, what's another year?


Well, Allegri won a Scudetto in his first season, second in his second (had Muntari's goal counted, we would be talking about a double), and a remarkable comeback last season for third. Facts, just saying.

I adore Seedorf, so I can not say anything bad about him, just that his inexperience will most definitely be his demise at a club where fans are expecting silverware.

QUOTE (han2503 @ Jan 13 2014, 10:01 PM) *
And I do understand where you're coming from that bringing him in now and it not working out could taint what Seedorf stands for at Milan and a possible appointment for him as our coach in the future when he's more experienced could also be ruled out. It is a worry in the back of my head. But at this point I'd take anyone


Of course you'd take anyone, you don't have a coach tongue.gif

QUOTE (han2503 @ Jan 13 2014, 10:01 PM) *
Regarding Tasso, I don't think he has the character for it, he's been the shadow man at Milan for over a decade now. He doesn't strike me as an assertive person, just someone who's there to help out the players and be the communicative link between them and the coach. In fact, if I'm being completely honest I'd say that it's time for him to go as well.

We need a fresh start.


Mauro is a loyal servant of the club. But a fresh start you say? Lets go wink.gif

Posted by: arivanjj Jan 14 2014, 10:06 AM

he has caused too damage for me to celebrate... but woop...

Posted by: William405 Jan 14 2014, 12:30 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jan 14 2014, 10:23 AM) *
Well, Allegri won a Scudetto in his first season, second in his second (had Muntari's goal counted, we would be talking about a double), and a remarkable comeback last season for third. Facts, just saying.

I adore Seedorf, so I can not say anything bad about him, just that his inexperience will most definitely be his demise at a club where fans are expecting silverware.


The club is expecting silverware? laugh.gif
What?

Posted by: X-Offender Jan 14 2014, 02:01 PM

Allegri said goodbye to the players today, Muntari was crying.

I guess he was crying because he's never going to see the pitch ever again. biggrin.gif

Posted by: han2503 Jan 14 2014, 02:58 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 14 2014, 02:01 PM) *
Allegri said goodbye to the players today, Muntari was crying.

I guess he was crying because he's never going to see the pitch ever again. biggrin.gif

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Posted by: kurtsimonw Jan 14 2014, 03:11 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 14 2014, 03:43 AM) *
Can you explain why you think that?

I just don't see it in him. Just as you believe he will be great. There's no real basis for either, his stubbornness will get in the way far too much.

Posted by: KillerMax Jan 14 2014, 03:50 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jan 14 2014, 09:11 AM) *
I just don't see it in him. Just as you believe he will be great. There's no real basis for either, his stubbornness will get in the way far too much.


Some of the best coaches around are stubborn as hell.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jan 14 2014, 03:56 PM

QUOTE (KillerMax @ Jan 14 2014, 04:50 PM) *
Some of the best coaches around are stubborn as hell.

Indeed, it's also a trait in some coaches who can't stay in a job.

Posted by: X-Offender Jan 14 2014, 04:04 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jan 14 2014, 05:56 PM) *
Indeed, it's also a trait in some coaches who can't stay in a job.


Though your favorite coach is one stubborn SOB.

Rumor has it that Allegri will replace Prandelli in charge of the Azzurri. laugh.gif

Posted by: acid911 Jan 14 2014, 04:08 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 14 2014, 09:04 PM) *
Rumor has it that Allegri will replace Prandelli in charge of the Azzurri.

Can't wait. devil.gif Should be fun!

Posted by: X-Offender Jan 14 2014, 04:47 PM



Welcome Clarence! king.gif

Posted by: Danny Jan 14 2014, 04:52 PM

My personal concerns aren't even just Seedorf - it's this 'dream team' nonsense.

Stam and Crespo seem, like Seedorf, to be appointed for who they are rather than what they can do.

I am more optimistic about the future than I might otherwise be but this 3 way appointment honestly strikes me as 'Hollywood' and short-sighted.

Posted by: acid911 Jan 14 2014, 04:53 PM

Seedorf is still in FIFA 14, for crying out loud. dry.gif Would have preferred a real coach in his stead

But if this is it, then so be it. Welcome!

Posted by: acid911 Jan 14 2014, 04:55 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Jan 14 2014, 09:52 PM) *
I am more optimistic about the future than I might otherwise be but this 3 way appointment honestly strikes me as 'Hollywood' and short-sighted.

This! Not the guys one would associate with stability. sleep.gif They may do wonders, or they may cause further wreckage. And Stam, really? He wasn't even that good of a defender to begin with. Reminds me of the FIFA 2006 days with his bald head signifying his reassuring presence in the field when I played matches. Unmistakable bald head.

Posted by: X-Offender Jan 14 2014, 05:21 PM

QUOTE (acid911 @ Jan 14 2014, 06:55 PM) *
And Stam, really? He wasn't even that good of a defender to begin with.


Heresy! Stam was great.

Anyway, I share everyone's concerns. Seedorf is a novice. In fact, he's even less than a novice since he has never trained in his life. But he also has everything it takes to succeed. It's a gamble, but one I'd gladly take considering who was coaching us till yesterday.

Posted by: Jack Bauer Jan 14 2014, 06:09 PM

QUOTE (acid911 @ Jan 14 2014, 07:53 PM) *
Seedorf is still in FIFA 14, for crying out loud. dry.gif Would have preferred a real coach in his stead

But if this is it, then so be it. Welcome!

I agree. I will be rooting for him and loved him a lot as a player, but this is too much of a gamble that big clubs usually avoid. He was an active player just a minute ago and even his staff will be mostly inexperienced. Even Pippo would have been a more logical choice. I would have preferred a caretaker till the end of the season and then look for someone more proven like Spalletti maybe. Seedorf should have started with smaller team/youth.

Posted by: acid911 Jan 14 2014, 06:09 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 14 2014, 10:21 PM) *
Heresy! Stam was great.

No he's good. I was taking in the context of Maldini, Nesta, even Tassoti. biggrin.gif Fingers crossed Seedorf (and the management) know what they are doing, maybe Stam has good coaching skills and can gel the defense together. And heavens to bitsy, we need a coherent defense.

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 14 2014, 10:21 PM) *
Anyway, I share everyone's concerns. Seedorf is a novice. In fact, he's even less than a novice since he has never trained in his life. But he also has everything it takes to succeed. It's a gamble, but one I'd gladly take considering who was coaching us till yesterday.

Yeah, less than a novice is the way to put it. smile.gif I am not all that keen on gambles right now, considering what Allegri brought in his tenure here. But let's see. I would have much preferred Seedorf a couple of years later, maybe, after he was a tad more proven. Should be interestingly amusing, nevertheless.

Posted by: acid911 Jan 14 2014, 06:12 PM

QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Jan 14 2014, 11:09 PM) *
I agree. I will be rooting for him and loved him a lot as a player, but this is too much of a gamble that big clubs usually avoid. He was an active player just a minute ago and even his staff will be mostly inexperienced. Even Pippo would have been a more logical choice. I would have preferred a caretaker till the end of the season and then look for someone more proven like Spalletti maybe. Seedorf should have started with smaller team/youth.

Now we are cooking with gas! king.gif Spaletti level minimum. Pretty much everything at the club has been shot to shambles, and if there was a time we needed stability, this was it. The only real positive Seedorf brings for me, if we go this direction, is that he just may spark and foster that family atmosphere.

And that is a very positive viewpoint that can enrich the team. Who knows, maybe it does!

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jan 14 2014, 06:54 PM

I wasn't even sure Seedorf would be allowed. I was under the impression that nowadays you required certain badges to coach at certain levels of football. Unless he does have them?

Posted by: X-Offender Jan 14 2014, 06:57 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jan 14 2014, 08:54 PM) *
I wasn't even sure Seedorf would be allowed. I was under the impression that nowadays you required certain badges to coach at certain levels of football. Unless he does have them?


Yeah, he does. His agent confirmed it.

Posted by: mishie Jan 14 2014, 07:14 PM

Seedorf as confirmed above has his badges and aswell as playing was working with Botafogo's youth side, Stam was a great defender maybe not when he arrived at Milan but was a very good one never the less, Ajax don't want him to leave to so he must be doing something right. Kluivert won the reserve team title with FC Twente, all young in terms of coaching i agree but not complete novices, I'm optimistic esp after hearing Clarence speaking this afternoon i think we can look forward to a more technical progressive style of football and after the last season and a half will be most welcome!! smile.gif

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jan 14 2014, 08:02 PM

You mention Kluivert, but he's with van Gaal and Holland, isn't he?

Yes, there's a big gamble with those guys. All of them great players, but none of them experienced. Tassotti staying would be a good start therefore.

But it will, I hope, open up some possibilities for Milan in Holland which is a big talent nest. I'm sure Seedorf, Stam and possibly Davids would do the trick and lure a few talents into our arms.

Posted by: Ry4n Jan 14 2014, 09:41 PM

Tassotti staying with Allegri did him no good and i think we need a fresh start Seedorf needs his own back room staff not people from before. Seedorf looks like he wants to bring in his own staff in which i hope he does Tassotti has it in him to be a good Serie A coach its time he steps up.

Posted by: mishie Jan 14 2014, 10:19 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jan 14 2014, 09:02 PM) *
You mention Kluivert, but he's with van Gaal and Holland, isn't he?

Yes, there's a big gamble with those guys. All of them great players, but none of them experienced. Tassotti staying would be a good start therefore.

But it will, I hope, open up some possibilities for Milan in Holland which is a big talent nest. I'm sure Seedorf, Stam and possibly Davids would do the trick and lure a few talents into our arms.

Kluivert and Van Gaal all leave after the world cup, yes i agree it's a gamble but IMO worth taking just see what Anchelotti said about Clarence tonight...i'm feeling positive for the 1st time in months

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Jan 14 2014, 11:30 PM

Seedorf has confirmed that he will coach Milan:

http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/seriea/story/former-player-clarence-seedorf-appointed-new-ac-milan-coach-011414?

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Jan 14 2014, 11:37 PM

QUOTE
TASSOTTI'S PRESS CONFERENCE - FIRST TEAM




MILANELLO – Please see below the latest from coach Mauro Tassotti’s press conference ahead of Milan-Spezia:


Speaking about tomorrow’s opposition Spezia: "Tomorrow is an important match. It seems the best way to get back into Europe. In the league we’re behind. Tomorrow we won’t experiment too much. It’s a difficult time, but the players need to understand that tomorrow is a vital match. We need to take advantage of the occasions that come our way against Spezia and try to go all the way in the competition. It’s a delicate moment for the club. We will have to be careful. Spezia have some good players and a great coach. They will have lots of their fans cheering them on and perhaps our fans will be angry. The Italian Cup is the best route to qualify for Europe."

There were naturally questions about the dismissal of Massimiliano Allegri: "A dismissal is never easy to take. The atmosphere was very sad. We’re in a privileged position, but it wasn’t an easy time for us. At the end of the day, the coach pays the ultimate price, but we the staff also share the responsibility. By now it’s too late. We had plenty of chances to turn things around. The dismissal was inevitable. Yesterday was hard and sad to see Allegri clearing out his locker. The results are what hurt us the most. The defensive problems? Last year we also started badly and recovered in the second part of the season, only losing to Juventus and Barcelona. We played differently and better. This year we started better, but we changed the way we played compared to last year. We lost some important players and we’ve made the situation hard for ourselves. Unfortunately things haven’t gone the way we planned and we haven’t been able to sort it out."

Asked about possible replacement Seedorf, here is what Tassotti had to say: "I’ve been here 34 years and I’m committed to the club. I can give my contribution and it seems logical to confirm my commitment. I don’t know anything about Seedorf. What Allegri said is true. There have been fantastic footballers who have coached for a couple of years only to then realise they’re not up to the job. Of course, Seedorf has the qualities in place to do well, he’s got great character and this will help him a lot. A change in coach can certainly change things, but the players also need to play their part. I haven’t got any advice for Seedorf. He knows the Milan set-up as well as me. If he wants to know the current situation of the players, I’m happy to bring him up to date."

Coach Tassotti put the match ahead of his future with the club: "The thing that has worried me the most has been the injuries. This needs to be looked at in my opinion. I chose to be an assistant. I had the chance earlier to be a head coach, but I preferred to stay here. I’ve got no regrets about it. The players need to understand the current situation. They need to fight for every inch. We can’t perform like we did at Sassuolo. To concede 4 goals in that manner is unacceptable. Without taking anything away from them, our attitude was all wrong. We expect the side to react. The side can play a couple of formations. I have a contract until the end of June and I remain committed to Milan. In June the club and I will talk. However, none of this is important, the most important thing is tomorrow’s match."

Mauro Tassotti had this to say about individual players: “Pazzini will play tomorrow. In defence we will see and Rami has a good chance of playing. We’ll make sure Honda plays in his role. Abbiati will play tomorrow. We’re happy with Honda and the minutes played against Sassuolo. He showed his technical abilities and his danger in the final third of the pitch. Kakà and Honda can play together. Birsa and Abate are recovering. We’ve never had Abate and De Sciglio together at the same time. They’re vital players to our game."

A final word was reserved for the club’s management: “The club has always been close to us. The squad need to understand that you play in 11 for the good of the team, not for individual glory. Despite a difficult first part of the season, the club has always been there. We need to just focus on getting points.”


Link: http://www.acmilan.com/en/news/show/150842

Posted by: Ry4n Jan 15 2014, 03:44 AM

If no one has read this here it is :

from Euro sport , a very good read.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/pitchside-europe/allegri-unsavoury-departure-leaves-ac-milan-mess-143259935.html;_ylt=Alb6gCnIaGvFtedE5mYzMzIxg4t4;_ylu=X3oDMTE2NnF2ZWtiBG1pdAMEcG9zAzcEc2VjA01lZGlhQkNhcm91c2VsTWl4ZWRMUENB;_ylg=X3oDMTBhY2IwdWc5BGxhbmcDZW4tR0I-;_ylv=3

Allegri’s unsavoury departure leaves AC Milan in a mess


By Eurosport | Pitchside Europe – 12 hours ago



Late Sunday night, Massimiliano Allegri appeared in front of the cameras of La Domenica Sportiva, Italy’s Match of the Day. He was told of a statement made by Barbara Berlusconi, the daughter of Milan’s owner, recently elevated within the club to vice-president and chief executive, the same rank as Adriano Galliani.
It had been “a disappointing evening, like the others, which confirms how, with the contribution of everybody, it’s both necessary and urgent to change,” she had explained to ANSA, the Italian news agency. “It’s no longer tolerable that our fans assist in unacceptable performances like these.”
Your heart would have to be made of stone not to feel sympathy for Allegri while watching him listen to that, biting his lip, not knowing where to look, an anguished expression on his face. He was hearing, second-hand, live on national TV that he’d essentially been sacked. Whatever you make of Allegri’s time at Milan - and it divides opinion - and regardless of whether his dismissal was by then imminent and had attained a sense of inevitability, he didn’t deserve that. It was horrible, a reminder of how cruel this profession can be at times.
Milan had just lost 4-3 to Sassuolo. They had been 2-0 up after barely more than 10 minutes only for Domenico Berardi, a teenager co-owned by Juventus, to become the youngest player to score a poker (four goals) since Silvio Piola and also the first to do so against Milan. Their defending had been appalling. Sassuolo had lost their last five games in all competitions. They hadn’t scored in that time and their coach Eusebio di Francesco was in more jeopardy of losing his job than Allegri. Their situation going into Sunday night made the end result all the more damaging for Milan.
There was a touch of irony too. Sassuolo, a club from a small-town with a population half the size of San Siro, are owned by a Milan fan, the tiles and ceramics empresario and head of Italy’s employers’ union Giorgio Squinzi. Close to Berlusconi, he claimed in May that “every now and again” the Milan president calls him to complain how “[Allegri] doesn’t understand anything [about football].” That’s not Squinzi’s experience.
It was under him at Sassuolo where Allegri first established himself as a bright young coach, setting them on this run to the top flight by achieving promotion from the third to the second division in 2008. So for Allegri to be relieved of his duties after a game against them was, from a certain perspective, to come full circle.
Though the end of his time at Milan felt nigh, he could have survived Sunday night but only if the club had put on a united front. Even though Galliani has insisted that the issues between himself and Barbara Berlusconi have been “resolved” after she challenged his authority by asking her father for a change in direction following a defeat to Fiorentina in early November, the weekend’s events and its fallout would indicate that they haven’t, which was fairly predictable.
The right thing to do, if there was consensus on the decision to sack Allegri, would have been to issue a joint statement. Instead, while Galliani [portrayed almost as though he were distracted] spoke on the phone to Berlusconi senior, Barbara gave one of her own to ANSA that made the coach’s position untenable. It has been presented as quite Machiavellian. Wasn’t Galliani supposed to be the one who made the football-related decisions?

That was a condition on which he’d apparently decided to stay after offering his resignation in late November following Barbara’s initial outburst. She would instead look after the commercial side of things, Milan’s brand management and marketing strategy. Barbara’s actions on Sunday indicate she still doesn’t intend to limit herself to just that. An uneasy compromise just got more awkward.
If Allegri has gone, it’s in part because of results, but also a Game of Thrones, which, Galliani, his chief sponsor and protector, appears to have lost. “I am sorry for Allegri and for how it’s turned out,” he said, “above all on a human level.”
I too have some sympathy for him. If you listened to some supporters, you’d think Allegri had presided over the worst period in Milan’s history. He hasn’t. As Inter’s former director Peppino Prisco liked to remind his rivals, Milan didn’t win a Scudetto between 1907 and 1951. What about the worst of the Berlusconi era then? Well, Milan placed 10th in 1997 and 11th in 1998. Berlusconi was able to spend then in a way he isn’t prepared to now, though. That shouldn’t be forgotten when judging Allegri.
While he leaves them down in 11th, his record over three full seasons really isn’t all that bad: 1st, 2nd and 3rd. The job Allegri did last season, ‘Year Zero’ for Milan after the “painful but necessary” sales of Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Thiago Silva and goodbyes waved to Alessandro Nesta, Rino Gattuso, Clarence Seedorf and Pippo Inzaghi, was more impressive than when he ended a seven-year wait for the Scudetto in his first season.

For that he merits immense credit and can count on the respect not only of the Curva Sud, who issued a statement thanking him on Monday night, but also illustrious peers like Cesare Prandelli, Marcello Lippi, Fabio Capello and the FIGC who are expected to strongly consider him for the Italy job if the post becomes available after the World Cup.
Of course Allegri made mistakes too, principal among them his decision not to accept an offer to join Roma in the summer and leave Milan with his dignity intact. A close second to that and arguably what he has never been able to live down would be consenting to the exit of Andrea Pirlo as part of the club’s cost-cutting measures, which swung the balance of power to Juventus in 2011.
Third would be rushing Thiago Silva back from injury in spring 2012 only for him to suffer a relapse, a decision more costly in their failed title defence than the referee and linesman’s choice not to allow Sulley Muntari’s goal in the decider that season with Juve.
Granted, his team selections were perplexing at times and - looking at the squad available to him in particular this season, a lack of depth at the full-back position aside - he could have played more expansive football than he did, providing, that is, everyone was fit which hasn’t always been the case. After the improvement in the second half of last season, further evolution was expected in this. Instead Milan struggled.
They’re now in a chaos of their own making. The plan had been for Allegri to see out the final year of his contract and then leave at the end of this season amid the expectation that Clarence Seedorf would take over. Now they have to throw someone in at the deep end. Rather than bring their plans forward, it would in my opinion be better to leave the team in Mauro Tassotti’s temporary charge until the summer. Why? Because that way they won’t burn anyone.
Imagine the situation: Milan, as anticipated, extricate Seedorf from his playing contract with Botofogo, he takes charge of the team [with special dispensation: he doesn’t have a UEFA Pro license] without having a pre-season, the coaching staff he desires [Jaap Stam and Hernan Crespo apparently] and the time to implement his ideas and Milan continue to do badly. Were that to happen it might become hard to make a case for him remaining in charge for the following season.
The same goes for Pippo Inzaghi if Milan were to promote him from his post as coach of their senior youth team, the Primavera. What if he were to do well? What then of their plans for Seedorf? They wouldn’t be able to tell Inzaghi to go back to the youth team - his job would have been taken. And as someone with aspirations to be a first team coach in his own right rather than an assistant, it’s improbable to think of him accepting a role on Seedorf’s staff.
The whole thing’s a mess. Milan should have resisted the temptation to sack Allegri, got to the end of the season, then reviewed things: for then Prandelli might have emerged as an alternative to Seedorf and offered the promise to rebuild Milan like he has done Italy since 2010. Berlusconi, however, has an intuition about Seedorf as he did about Arrigo Sacchi and Fabio Capello. He was right then. Milan fans can only hope he is now.


James Horncastle - @JamesHorncastle

I'm glad finally gone but this club has no class anymore , it surely looks like it left with the classy players we once had now its Balo fricken telli the constant diver the cry baby when shite hits the fan its a comedy. Also two facking captains of one ship one steering one way the other not knowing which way is east or west... its a joke and it is the managements fault entirely we are an embarrassment on the pitch and off it.

Posted by: Linkman Jan 15 2014, 05:27 AM

True enough, Ryan. For all his faults, Allegri didn't deserve to hear about his dismissal second hand, on TV, no less.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jan 15 2014, 07:59 AM

This club has changed so much over the past 6 or 7 years, in every single way.

Posted by: mishie Jan 15 2014, 10:55 AM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jan 15 2014, 08:59 AM) *
This club has changed so much over the past 6 or 7 years, in every single way.

that's why Clarence has been told to restore the clubs values hopefully this is a step towards progressive technical football with youth being given a chance

Posted by: X-Offender Jan 15 2014, 11:21 AM



laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: X-Offender Jan 15 2014, 11:32 AM

Seedorf: Iron first

1) More work at Milanello: two hours on the pitch then specialized training for each department
2) Tough discipline: the coach is always right; no coming late to training and healthy lifestyle
3) Visits of family and friends during training, transfers and trips will be reduced.

Source: Corriere

Seedorf's Milan:



Source: Gazzetta

I call BS on this one. First of all, there is no way in hell that he'll play Muntari over De Jong. Secondly, I was just reading yesterday how he loves 4-3-3 and now he's gonna play 4-3-1-2? All these initial assumptions on line-up and formation is just guesswork, and not a very bright one.

Posted by: X-Offender Jan 15 2014, 11:33 AM

Oh, and many sources are also mentioning that Seedorf's first target will be Adam Maher of PSV.

Posted by: Danny Jan 15 2014, 11:59 AM

If he picks Muntari I'll laugh till I puke.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jan 15 2014, 12:43 PM

And no Abate?

Posted by: han2503 Jan 15 2014, 12:59 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jan 15 2014, 12:43 PM) *
And no Abate?

And Bonera ahead of Zapata and Rami. That line-up just makes whoever wrote that seem retarded

Abate is still recovering and Tassotti also reiterated the importance of his and DS's involvement in the FB areas

Posted by: mishie Jan 15 2014, 02:21 PM

4-3-3 will be his starting formation I'm sure mainly because it's the Dutch way, could still a slight variation with a fluid rotational front 3. Mayer is highly rated and sort after and would a great addition smile.gif

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Jan 15 2014, 02:30 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 15 2014, 07:33 AM) *
Oh, and many sources are also mentioning that Seedorf's first target will be Adam Maher of PSV.

if we actually manage this i would be ecstatic. He's a starlet waiting to explode on the scene. If only his shooting was a little better, he'd be exactly as impactful as Hazard

Posted by: mishie Jan 15 2014, 02:37 PM

can anyone see my posts?

Posted by: X-Offender Jan 15 2014, 02:39 PM

QUOTE (mishie @ Jan 15 2014, 04:21 PM) *
4-3-3 will be his starting formation I'm sure mainly because it's the Dutch way, could still a slight variation with a fluid rotational front 3. Mayer is highly rated and sort after and would a great addition smile.gif


It's probably gonna be more of a 4-3-2-1 with Kaká and Honda a tad wide. Just Poli, Monto and De Jong in midfield, please. And Mexes + Rami/Zapata in defense. No Bonera's and Muntari's wreak havoc.

Posted by: X-Offender Jan 15 2014, 02:40 PM

QUOTE (mishie @ Jan 15 2014, 04:37 PM) *
can anyone see my posts?


No.

Posted by: X-Offender Jan 15 2014, 02:40 PM

tongue.gif

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jan 15 2014, 02:50 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 15 2014, 04:39 PM) *
It's probably gonna be more of a 4-3-2-1 with Kaká and Honda a tad wide. Just Poli, Monto and De Jong in midfield, please. And Mexes + Rami/Zapata in defense. No Bonera's and Muntari's wreak havoc.

Yeah, I think that's what Mishie meant. Holland style.

Posted by: mishie Jan 15 2014, 02:54 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 15 2014, 03:39 PM) *
It's probably gonna be more of a 4-3-2-1 with Kaká and Honda a tad wide. Just Poli, Monto and De Jong in midfield, please. And Mexes + Rami/Zapata in defense. No Bonera's and Muntari's wreak havoc.

maybe, if they do buy maher then the true 4-3-3 evolution will start

Posted by: mishie Jan 15 2014, 02:55 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 15 2014, 03:40 PM) *
tongue.gif

cheeky lol

Posted by: mishie Jan 15 2014, 02:55 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jan 15 2014, 03:50 PM) *
Yeah, I think that's what Mishie meant. Holland style.

exactly thanks

Posted by: Ry4n Jan 15 2014, 04:15 PM

Delighted for Seedorf, sorry for Allegri'
By Football Italia staff

Urby Emanuelson is delighted to have Clarence Seedorf as Coach, but concedes that he has sympathy for Max Allegri.

The Rossoneri boss was sacked on Monday after a 4-3 defeat away to Sassuolo, with former midfielder Seedorf coming in for his first managerial role.

“I am happy to have Seedorf as a Coach,” he told De Telegraaf. “But the dismissal of another Coach is always sad.

“I feel sorry for Allegri because it was not his fault we lost to Sassuolo.

“It was a painful time saying goodbye to Allegri at Milanello – he was sorry. But I’ve always had a lot of respect for Seedorf.

“He took me under his wing when I arrived in 2011 – he’s a real gentleman.”

Posted by: han2503 Jan 15 2014, 04:54 PM

QUOTE (mishie @ Jan 15 2014, 02:54 PM) *
maybe, if they do buy maher then the true 4-3-3 evolution will start

Isn't Maher more of a central type of player? I think Bakkali is the talented wide man for them. Maher is more of an attacking midfielder type of player

Posted by: X-Offender Jan 15 2014, 05:40 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Jan 15 2014, 06:54 PM) *
Isn't Maher more of a central type of player? I think Bakkali is the talented wide man for them. Maher is more of an attacking midfielder type of player


With Maher I can see us playing:

De Jong - Montolivo
Maher
Kaká - Honda
Balotelli

Posted by: mishie Jan 15 2014, 06:32 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Jan 15 2014, 05:54 PM) *
Isn't Maher more of a central type of player? I think Bakkali is the talented wide man for them. Maher is more of an attacking midfielder type of player

can do either role

Posted by: X-Offender Jan 15 2014, 07:59 PM

Seedorf: "Right now I feel great excitement and responsibility. I left Milan in 2012 at the end of an era. My job will be to start a new one"

Posted by: han2503 Jan 15 2014, 11:03 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 15 2014, 05:40 PM) *
With Maher I can see us playing:

De Jong - Montolivo
Maher
Kaká - Honda
Balotelli

Looks pretty amazing

Posted by: CHU-LIP Jan 15 2014, 11:55 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Jan 15 2014, 06:54 PM) *
Isn't Maher more of a central type of player? I think Bakkali is the talented wide man for them. Maher is more of an attacking midfielder type of player

That's accurate.

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 15 2014, 07:40 PM) *
With Maher I can see us playing:

De Jong - Montolivo
Maher
Kaká - Honda
Balotelli

I'd bench Maher.

Posted by: milanbuf88 Jan 15 2014, 11:59 PM

QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Jan 15 2014, 07:55 PM) *
That's accurate.


I'd bench Maher.



Who would you put in that position then? Poli is the only other midfielder I can see playing that role well.

Posted by: CHU-LIP Jan 16 2014, 12:03 AM

QUOTE (milanbuf88 @ Jan 16 2014, 01:59 AM) *
Who would you put in that position then? Poli is the only other midfielder I can see playing that role well.

What role? If anyone paid attention to Maher and the current Milan players, then you'd know that Maher is only an idea without Honda, let alone both Honda and Kaká, on the pitch. Maher excels as the man behind the striker; anywhere else he disappoints. Backup for Honda should be Maher's role at most.

Posted by: KillerMax Jan 16 2014, 11:17 AM

http://www.football-italia.net/43900/seedorf-renew-emanuelson

If this is factual, then Seedorf and I are going to have problems already. First of all it would be playing favorites from the get go. Second, Emanuelson as first team LB? DS must be the undisputed starter there. Especially when Abate gets back. DS is somehow at his best on that left side. And no matter all of Abate's shortcomings, Urby is inferior in every respect.

Starting to feel nervous about Seedorf already, This could get ugly.

Hope this news is nothing but speculation. Especially the first team LB thing....

Posted by: X-Offender Jan 16 2014, 01:24 PM

QUOTE (KillerMax @ Jan 16 2014, 01:17 PM) *
http://www.football-italia.net/43900/seedorf-renew-emanuelson

If this is factual, then Seedorf and I are going to have problems already. First of all it would be playing favorites from the get go. Second, Emanuelson as first team LB? DS must be the undisputed starter there. Especially when Abate gets back. DS is somehow at his best on that left side. And no matter all of Abate's shortcomings, Urby is inferior in every respect.

Starting to feel nervous about Seedorf already, This could get ugly.

Hope this news is nothing but speculation. Especially the first team LB thing....


We should just be happy that we have three very decent fullbacks, instead of having to rely on the Favalli's and Mesbah's of the occasion when one of them gets injured.

Anyway, Seedorf and Galliani during the contract signing


Posted by: X-Offender Jan 16 2014, 02:51 PM

Seedorf at Milanello: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-4rws4hB8Q

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jan 16 2014, 03:28 PM

What you say? Putting Favalli and Mesbah in one category is a grave mistake. And then implying that Constant is better then Favalli...

Posted by: KillerMax Jan 16 2014, 03:29 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 16 2014, 08:51 AM) *
Seedorf at Milanello: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-4rws4hB8Q


^ From the comments:

That awkward moment when the coach is still playing better than majority of players.

biggrin.gif

Posted by: X-Offender Jan 16 2014, 04:08 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jan 16 2014, 05:28 PM) *
What you say? Putting Favalli and Mesbah in one category is a grave mistake. And then implying that Constant is better then Favalli...


Yeah, I know your sympathy for Favalli, but for me the guy was utter garbage.

QUOTE (KillerMax @ Jan 16 2014, 05:29 PM) *
^ From the comments:

That awkward moment when the coach is still playing better than majority of players.

biggrin.gif


laugh.gif

Posted by: CHU-LIP Jan 16 2014, 06:37 PM

QUOTE (KillerMax @ Jan 16 2014, 01:17 PM) *
http://www.football-italia.net/43900/seedorf-renew-emanuelson

If this is factual, then Seedorf and I are going to have problems already. First of all it would be playing favorites from the get go. Second, Emanuelson as first team LB? DS must be the undisputed starter there. Especially when Abate gets back. DS is somehow at his best on that left side. And no matter all of Abate's shortcomings, Urby is inferior in every respect.

Starting to feel nervous about Seedorf already, This could get ugly.

Hope this news is nothing but speculation. Especially the first team LB thing....

Emanuelson's contract is running out, and he's been doing well, so not extending his contract makes little sense. Also, saying to rely on him in first-team affairs doesn't necessary mean that he is a definite starter over either Abate or De Sciglio, but that he is valued enough to be seen as starting material, and when it comes to football, not every week you have the same starters. The mentioned three all could be many times starters during a season.

Posted by: servbot Jan 16 2014, 06:50 PM

QUOTE (KillerMax @ Jan 16 2014, 10:29 AM) *
^ From the comments:

That awkward moment when the coach is still playing better than majority of players.

biggrin.gif


When someone is really playing poorly, instead of just benching them, he can bench them in favor of himself. devil.gif

Posted by: X-Offender Jan 16 2014, 06:59 PM

QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Jan 16 2014, 08:37 PM) *
Emanuelson's contract is running out, and he's been doing well, so not extending his contract makes little sense. Also, saying to rely on him in first-team affairs doesn't necessary mean that he is a definite starter over either Abate or De Sciglio, but that he is valued enough to be seen as starting material, and when it comes to football, not every week you have the same starters. The mentioned three all could be many times starters during a season.


+1

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jan 16 2014, 07:06 PM

So you guys still rate Constant?

Posted by: X-Offender Jan 16 2014, 07:10 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jan 16 2014, 09:06 PM) *
So you guys still rate Constant?


Not in the slightest. He should GTFO ASAP.

Posted by: milanbuf88 Jan 16 2014, 07:46 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jan 16 2014, 03:06 PM) *
So you guys still rate Constant?


I think he could be useful as a back up midfield squad player if Seedorf gives him a chance there. He should never start another game for us at LB though.

Posted by: CHU-LIP Jan 16 2014, 07:47 PM

QUOTE (milanbuf88 @ Jan 16 2014, 09:46 PM) *
I think he could be useful as a back up midfield squad player if Seedorf gives him a chance there. He should never start another game for us at LB though.

That's not good enough reason to keep him.

Constant can leave, rather keep Emanuelson, and then there's little place for him anyway.

Posted by: acid911 Jan 16 2014, 07:55 PM

Constant has his uses, but a reliable defender isn't one of them. sleep.gif He can leave on the next flight out.

Posted by: milanbuf88 Jan 16 2014, 07:56 PM

QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Jan 16 2014, 03:47 PM) *
That's not good enough reason to keep him.

Constant can leave, rather keep Emanuelson, and then there's little place for him anyway.


I agree. If the choice is between Constant and Emanuelson then the choice is easily Emanuelson. I personally rate Constant and Nocerino at about the same level: not good enough and should be sold if we get a decent offer. It just depends upon the size roster we plan on keeping. Also realistically I don't know if we can expect to rid ourselves of all the dead weight at once. We have a lot of it (Constant, Nocerino, Muntari, Zaccardo, Silvestre, Matri, etc...).

Posted by: CHU-LIP Jan 16 2014, 08:04 PM

QUOTE (milanbuf88 @ Jan 16 2014, 09:56 PM) *
I agree. If the choice is between Constant and Emanuelson then the choice is easily Emanuelson. I personally rate Constant and Nocerino at about the same level: not good enough and should be sold if we get a decent offer. It just depends upon the size roster we plan on keeping. Also realistically I don't know if we can expect to rid ourselves of all the dead weight at once. We have a lot of it (Constant, Nocerino, Muntari, Zaccardo, Silvestre, Matri, etc...).

Yeah, they're quite a lot, but I hope all of Constant, Nocerino, Muntari, Zaccardo, Silvestre and Matri leaves. Emanuelson is welcome to stay, and for everyone more welcome when and if all those others are away from Milan.

Posted by: mishie Jan 16 2014, 08:58 PM

QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Jan 16 2014, 09:04 PM) *
Yeah, they're quite a lot, but I hope all of Constant, Nocerino, Muntari, Zaccardo, Silvestre and Matri leaves. Emanuelson is welcome to stay, and for everyone more welcome when and if all those others are away from Milan.

Matri has gone for now smile.gif

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jan 16 2014, 09:32 PM

I really don't see any use in Constant. He's a poor defender, he can't play a winger, he lack's precision. What's there to do? All he can do is play a classic left midfielder in a smaller club, where you do a little of everything and get a solid rating. But here? I don't see how he fits in any possible lineup.

Posted by: X-Offender Jan 16 2014, 10:17 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jan 16 2014, 11:32 PM) *
I really don't see any use in Constant. He's a poor defender, he can't play a winger, he lack's precision. What's there to do? All he can do is play a classic left midfielder in a smaller club, where you do a little of everything and get a solid rating. But here? I don't see how he fits in any possible lineup.


*lacks wink.gif

Posted by: Danny Jan 19 2014, 03:39 PM

QUOTE (KillerMax @ Jan 16 2014, 10:17 AM) *
http://www.football-italia.net/43900/seedorf-renew-emanuelson

If this is factual, then Seedorf and I are going to have problems already. First of all it would be playing favorites from the get go. Second, Emanuelson as first team LB? DS must be the undisputed starter there. Especially when Abate gets back. DS is somehow at his best on that left side. And no matter all of Abate's shortcomings, Urby is inferior in every respect.

Starting to feel nervous about Seedorf already, This could get ugly.

Hope this news is nothing but speculation. Especially the first team LB thing....


Urby was magnificent V Roma. Absolutely superb. He's shown he's very good at LB and it's created a problem because DS is also a superb LB.

It's a pity neither are good at RB otherwise our problems would be solved.

Maybe, just maybe Seedorf is happy with both DS and Urby in competition there. That article on says Urby will be heavily involved in that position, not that he will be first choice for sure.

If only DS was better at RB! This really wouldn't be a debate otherwise.

Posted by: KillerMax Jan 19 2014, 03:48 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Jan 19 2014, 09:39 AM) *
Urby was magnificent V Roma. Absolutely superb. He's shown he's very good at LB and it's created a problem because DS is also a superb LB.

It's a pity neither are good at RB otherwise our problems would be solved.

Maybe, just maybe Seedorf is happy with both DS and Urby in competition there. That article on says Urby will be heavily involved in that position, not that he will be first choice for sure.

If only DS was better at RB! This really wouldn't be a debate otherwise.


Urby has had a couple great games. He can develop defensively, but he can be a good attacking option on that LB side. But DS is just a Malidini-esque player. He is class on that left side and should be an undisputed starter there.

I don't why he himself or anyone else for that matter thinks he is better on the right.

Posted by: Danny Jan 19 2014, 03:51 PM

QUOTE (KillerMax @ Jan 19 2014, 02:48 PM) *
I don't why he himself or anyone else for that matter thinks he is better on the right.


Beats me too. My best guess is he said that to endorse Allegri's selection of him there. Because he was horrendous there V Roma and has struggled in general.

Going forward, not bad. Defensively - a horror show.

Posted by: han2503 Jan 19 2014, 05:17 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Jan 19 2014, 03:39 PM) *
Urby was magnificent V Roma. Absolutely superb. He's shown he's very good at LB and it's created a problem because DS is also a superb LB.

It's a pity neither are good at RB otherwise our problems would be solved.

Maybe, just maybe Seedorf is happy with both DS and Urby in competition there. That article on says Urby will be heavily involved in that position, not that he will be first choice for sure.

If only DS was better at RB! This really wouldn't be a debate otherwise.

Urby has been good for a couple of games at LB, but by no means would I trust him there indefinitely, he's a defensive liability. The game against Sassuolo illustrates this perfectly. He wasn't directly responsible but he also was the one who kept pushing up and leaving a Bonera who was having an absolute nightmare stranded on his own to deal with a pacey player in wide open spaces.

We don't have any problems in the FB area. We have Italy's first choice FBs playing there. It's nice to have Urby as an option should either one of them be injured but under no circumstances should he take DS's place as starter or even Abate's (through switching DS's position)

I personally like Urby in midfield more than in defence anyway

Posted by: X-Offender Jan 19 2014, 05:21 PM

Every time someone makes a new post in this thread puts a smile on my face because I'm reminded that Allegri is no longer our coach. happy.gif

Posted by: han2503 Jan 19 2014, 05:29 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 19 2014, 05:21 PM) *
Every time someone makes a new post in this thread puts a smile on my face because I'm reminded that Allegri is no longer our coach. happy.gif

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Posted by: KillerMax Jan 19 2014, 05:35 PM

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Posted by: X-Offender Jan 23 2014, 09:56 PM

http://www.football-italia.net/44233/report-allegri-turns-down-leeds-offer

Posted by: han2503 Jan 24 2014, 11:15 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 23 2014, 09:56 PM) *
http://www.football-italia.net/44233/report-allegri-turns-down-leeds-offer

Too bad, that's about right for his level

And even worse, he could still be in contention for that Italy job

Posted by: X-Offender Jan 24 2014, 12:20 PM

It's strange how after being sacked we haven't heard a damn thing about/from the guy.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jan 24 2014, 05:34 PM

He really has nothing to complain about does he? biggrin.gif

It's one thing if we'd fired him while we were I dunno 7th or 6th or something. Then he could say injuries and bad transfers screwed him up.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jan 24 2014, 05:53 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 24 2014, 02:20 PM) *
It's strange how after being sacked we haven't heard a damn thing about/from the guy.

Well what would you expect him to say?

Posted by: X-Offender Jan 24 2014, 07:16 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jan 24 2014, 05:53 PM) *
Well what would you expect him to say?


Dai dai dai biggrin.gif

Posted by: dst Jan 24 2014, 10:19 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 24 2014, 06:16 PM) *
Dai dai dai biggrin.gif

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Posted by: han2503 Jan 24 2014, 10:42 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 24 2014, 07:16 PM) *
Dai dai dai biggrin.gif

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