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Posted by: Bluesummers May 5 2008, 07:11 AM

First signing of our summer. I think he needs a thread.

Posted by: Habitant May 5 2008, 07:31 AM

it's not offcial yet but it sounds like it's imminent.

great signing.

hopefully brocchi and emerson are out.

Posted by: Bluesummers May 5 2008, 07:33 AM

QUOTE (Habitant @ May 5 2008, 12:31 AM)
it's not offcial yet but it sounds like it's imminent.

great signing.

hopefully brocchi and emerson are out.
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dont dream.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 5 2008, 11:25 AM

I don't really think our squad is big enough to let people off. I'd keep Emerson and Brocchi,especially with our famed luck when it comes to injuries to key players.

Posted by: kurtsimonw May 5 2008, 12:51 PM

Get rid of Brocchi, keep Emerson. Rino, Ambro, Flamini and Emerson is enough for DMs.

Posted by: fresh_prince7 May 5 2008, 02:21 PM

Flamini close to Milan - Monday 5 May, 2008

Arsenal midfielder Mathieu Flamini is set to be unveiled as a Milan player after completing his medical in Italy.

The Frenchman is expected to put pen to paper on a four-year Rossoneri contract worth around £3m per season after rejecting offers from both Juventus and the Gunners.

“I am really happy, thanks to everyone,” he told the waiting Press outside Milanello as he completed the final details of his free transfer.

Meanwhile, the Rossoneri are still enjoying their win over Inter in the Derby della Madonnina.

They are now inches away from Champions League qualification, which would mean a big boost for their hopes in the summer transfer market.

“We are happy because it is all up to us now, but there are still two difficult games against Napoli and Udinese,” claimed Vice-President Adriano Galliani.

“Winning the derby is not like winning the Scudetto, but this is worth a top-four finish for us.

“I don't think the campionato has been re-opened by Roma. The Giallorossi are flying high but they dropped points against Livorno and I can't see Inter failing to beat Siena.”

Galliani also commented on Filippo Inzaghi, who has been in great form recently and scored the opener against Inter, although he may not be called upon for Euro 2008.

“I have great respect for Coach Roberto Donadoni and he will make up his mind. It Is true though that Pippo has scored nine in the last five games,” he concluded.

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So 5 defensive midfielders.. at least were covered in that area.

Posted by: Devillito May 5 2008, 02:52 PM

QUOTE (fresh_prince7 @ May 5 2008, 09:21 PM)
So 5 defensive midfielders.. at least were covered in that area.
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We are over-covered in that area dry.gif
But still its a good addition, and i hope his
arrival means Brocchi and Emerson will leave.

Posted by: whoarethepatriots May 5 2008, 03:05 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ May 5 2008, 11:51 AM)
Get rid of Emerson, keep Brocchi. Rino, Ambro, Flamini and Brocchi is enough for DMs.
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Fixed

I would prefer it if we got another DM to replace Brocchi, then we would be set (for DM's anyway)

Still need LB CB ST GK AM reinforcements

EDIT:

Here he is with Braida, confirmation will be later today


Posted by: zdrossoneri May 5 2008, 03:16 PM

Calcio Debate: Fla-Money - A Great Signing For Milan


Mathieu Flamini will almost certainly sign for Milan today. Carlo Garganese believes this could prove to be the best transfer of the summer in Serie A…


When Ashley Cole left Arsenal in 2006 for a lucrative contract at Chelsea, he was dubbed, by some sections of the British media, as “Cashley Cole”. I can bet my house, once the exact figures of Mathieu Flamini’s Milan contract are released, that the first label that the Frenchman will be given is “Fla-money”. [laugh.gif funny one, but he remains a great signing]

Regardless of this, no one can doubt that, regardless of the wages they are paying the Frenchman, Milan have pulled off a superb coup, especially when you consider they are not paying a transfer fee.

The 2-1 win over Inter yesterday proved conclusively that Milan do not need a revolution this summer, they simply need a few tweaks, which in turn could make them a real force in Italy and Europe next term.

The main reason for their struggles this season has simply been a lack of alternatives in their squad. When everyone is fully fit and in form, as was the case yesterday, Milan can be irresistible.

However, all around the field, there are no adequate substitutes, be it in defence, midfield or attack. At stages of the campaign the likes of Rino Gattuso, Clarence Seedorf, Kaka, Ronaldo and Pippo Inzaghi, have all had extended spells on the sidelines, while Andrea Pirlo has struggled with fatigue due to overuse. The likes of Christian Brocchi, Emerson, Yoann Gourcuff and Alberto Gilardino are simply not good enough replacements.

Next season, Flamini will help to provide another option in midfield, and what an option he will be. The Frenchman has developed into one of Europe’s finest defensive midfielders. Brave, fiercely competitive, and strong in the tackle, his style of play is eerily similar to that of Gattuso, and there is no doubt that he will be the hardman’s long-term successor.

Flamini also possesses excellent tactical and mental attributes. His positioning is good, he knows how to close up the space between defence and midfield, and in this sense he is tailor-made for the style of Serie A. In fact his father is Italian, and he has relatives in Rome, so you would expect him to understand the culture well.

At the age of 24, Flamini has his whole career ahead of him, which is also relevant given the fact that many of Milan’s players are over or approaching 30 years-of-age. He will add some youthful exuberance to an experienced team, just what is required given the number of flat performances this term.

For those who say that he cannot co-exist with Gattuso, I would strongly disagree. The players may be similar, but Milan’s formation, be it 4-3-2-1 or 4-3-1-2 is flexible in allowing up to three centre midfielders to play in the same team, and furthermore I am certain that the ex-Marseille man is not a one-dimensional anchor man. He can take on a number of roles.

Having said this, the signing of Flamini will not be enough for Milan. Certainly the club needs to find some more alternatives, particularly at left back, centre forward, and in the attacking midfield position. A top quality goalkeeper will also be required, but perhaps this should be last in the line of priorities.

The capture of Flamini is a stunning signal of intent on the part of Milan, and providing Adriano Galliani continues his summer transfer work the way he has started it, next season could be a very fruitful one for the Rossoneri.

What are your views on this topic? Do you think the signing of Flamini is a good one for Milan? Will his purchase be enough, or do Milan need to strengthen other areas of the squad too? If so, where? Goal.com wants to know what YOU think…

Carlo Garganese

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan May 5 2008, 03:45 PM

i totaly agree with this goal.com article

Posted by: nuh May 5 2008, 04:08 PM

flamini is such a gr8 sigining cuz he can play from lb/dmc/mc and he is for free

Posted by: Tennie May 5 2008, 04:58 PM

It's official.

MILANO - L'A.C. Milan comunica di aver stipulato un contratto che legherà il calciatore francese Mathieu Flamini alla società rossonera dal 1 luglio 2008 al 30 giugno 2012.


(Milan announces a 4 year contract with Mathieu Flamini). 96.gif

Posted by: kurtsimonw May 5 2008, 05:03 PM

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Posted by: CrazyMilanFan May 5 2008, 05:05 PM

god start to our transfer season hope we buy good player like him... mest of luck to flamini

Posted by: m1ke May 5 2008, 05:08 PM

Welcome Mathieu devil.gif Good luck in the Red & Black.

Posted by: acid911 May 5 2008, 05:26 PM

Good to hear that he's official. Welcome flame, to Milan. devil.gif Now, since he's a devil now, feel free to post your favorite video compilations of him, on Youtube or otherwise, just so we get a better idea of his skills. Eh, Locke?

Posted by: m1ke May 5 2008, 05:29 PM

QUOTE (acid911 @ May 5 2008, 04:26 PM)
Eh, Locke?
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Twist that knife wink.gif

Posted by: Darunia May 5 2008, 05:33 PM

Benvenuto Flamini!!!!!!

He looks good in a Milan shirt biggrin.gif

Posted by: acid911 May 5 2008, 05:41 PM

QUOTE (m1ke @ May 5 2008, 09:29 PM)
Twist that knife
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To be honest, it's not half as bad as it sounds. At least he signed up for his second favorite club, albeit on a free transfer. But still if I had a Milan player about to leave, I'd very much welcome him to leave to a club that I love and respect. It wouldn't hurt this way. Much.

Still, I feel for Locke. And Arsenal for that matter. wink.gif

Posted by: rhy_A4 May 5 2008, 05:47 PM

Welcome Flamini !!!!!!!!!!!!! Do us proud !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FORZA MILAN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: gal_kenny May 5 2008, 06:04 PM

GUys do you have pictures of him in the milan's Jersey?

Posted by: zdrossoneri May 5 2008, 06:05 PM

[I know this is not a happy moment for Porty but...] YEAH!!! devilsmiley.gif

Welcome Mathieu!

Posted by: Tennie May 5 2008, 06:17 PM



How's this? (From acmilan.com's italian page. Looks like it's at Milanello.)

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan May 5 2008, 06:18 PM

QUOTE (Tennie @ May 5 2008, 06:17 PM)


How's this? (From acmilan.com's italian page. Looks like it's at Milanello.)
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it is not a edited one it is real one that is certain

Posted by: Habitant May 5 2008, 06:57 PM

great signing!

welcome to milan biggrin.gif

Posted by: gal_kenny May 5 2008, 07:07 PM

Thanks maine..It looks great on him..

Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 5 2008, 07:13 PM

What's his number? Is he gonna be getting Sergio's number or something? Or is Sergio with us next season?

Posted by: Tennie May 5 2008, 07:15 PM

They haven't said yet, Jack. (What number does he wear for Arsenal?)

Posted by: zdrossoneri May 5 2008, 07:16 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ May 5 2008, 09:43 PM)
What's his number? Is he gonna be getting Sergio's number or something? Or is Sergio with us next season?
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I'd like to see him take the #5 [if Emerson is leaving].

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan May 5 2008, 07:18 PM

QUOTE (Tennie @ May 5 2008, 07:15 PM)
They haven't said yet, Jack. (What number does he wear for Arsenal?)
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16

Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 5 2008, 07:23 PM

Nope Kalac has got it.

I doubt he'll take 5. I doubt Emerson is leaving. Maybe his wages will be cut though.

I'm inclined to think he'll take Sergio's number...but him being a kid and all, he might decide to do an Oddo and take a all new number. Start a new legacy. Would be a good move too.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan May 5 2008, 07:34 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ May 5 2008, 07:23 PM)
Nope Kalac has got it.

I doubt he'll take 5. I doubt Emerson is leaving. Maybe his wages will be cut though.

I'm inclined to think he'll take Sergio's number...but him being a kid and all, he might decide to do an Oddo and take a all new number. Start a new legacy. Would be a good move too.
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i meant flamini has 16 in arsenal

Posted by: Tennie May 5 2008, 07:40 PM

The #5 jersey is still, to me, Billy's. cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif
(yes, I'm sentimental, but he did wear it for 20+ years)

The #14 jersey is available.

Posted by: whoarethepatriots May 5 2008, 07:49 PM

QUOTE (Tennie @ May 5 2008, 06:40 PM)
The #5 jersey is still, to me, Billy's.  cry.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif
(yes, I'm sentimental, but he did wear it for 20+ years)


The #14 jersey is available.
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That and #5 is traditionally for defenders, i would prefer a new (worthy) CB to take that

#14 was last used by Vogel, if i am not mistaken

Posted by: I_Rossoneri May 5 2008, 07:57 PM

Great signing(hopefully) and for free as well cool.gif

More of the same please devilsmiley.gif

Oh, and Neverson can kindly leave now and take his huge salary with him wink.gif

Posted by: dst May 5 2008, 08:13 PM

#5 should have been retired anyway... dry.gif

Posted by: zdrossoneri May 5 2008, 08:56 PM

^^

Oh come on! we can't retire all the numbers we have...

But one of the numbers I'm already sure we'll retire is 22. (no need to say if Kaka retires at Milan). there are very few players in Milan's history who have contributed to Milan's success as much as Kaka has [and will in the future].

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan May 5 2008, 08:58 PM

QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ May 5 2008, 08:56 PM)
^^

Oh come on! we can't retire all the numbers we have...

But one of the numbers I'm already sure we'll retire is 22. (no need to say if Kaka retires at Milan). there are very few players in Milan's history who have contributed to Milan's success as much as Kaka has [and will in the future].
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to early to say that but if he stays till the end then defintly

Posted by: whoarethepatriots May 5 2008, 09:08 PM



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Posted by: Tennie May 5 2008, 09:08 PM

Er. Zd, we didn't retire Van Basten's #9. Kaka hasn't surpassed him yet, not in my mind.

Posted by: zdrossoneri May 5 2008, 09:12 PM

QUOTE (Tennie @ May 5 2008, 11:38 PM)
Er. Zd, we didn't retire Van Basten's #9. Kaka hasn't surpassed him yet, not in my mind.
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Er. Tennie. thing is, Kaka wears #22. it's not as famous or important as #9. that's why I said "I'm already sure about it". wink.gif

Posted by: whoarethepatriots May 5 2008, 09:12 PM

QUOTE (Tennie @ May 5 2008, 08:08 PM)
Er. Zd, we didn't retire Van Basten's #9. Kaka hasn't surpassed him yet, not in my mind.
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Yeah

Baresi and Maldini were one club men, it was right their jerseys were retired. We should also have retired Costacurta's jersey. Its painful watching Emo fail and disgrace in that kit

Posted by: Tennie May 5 2008, 09:16 PM

There's no way of being sure about something like that, zd. Kaka is a very good player, but there have been a lot of other very good players at Milan in the past and unless there's a major catastrophy, there'll be a lot of very good players there in the future.

Anyway, enough of that. This is the Flamini thread. smile.gif Let's discuss Flamini here, shall we.

Posted by: Portikins May 5 2008, 09:27 PM

Maybe he'll be a good signing. I always hated him but he improved a lot in the last 2 years.

We'll see. Good luck Flamini.

Posted by: nuh May 5 2008, 09:30 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siI_4IYBink

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 5 2008, 09:46 PM

QUOTE (Porty @ May 5 2008, 11:27 PM)
Maybe he'll be a good signing. I always hated him but he improved a lot in the last 2 years.

We'll see. Good luck Flamini.
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Last I heard, Silvio was done with teh Brazilian players .. He wants to turn Milan into a French colony innocent.gif








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Posted by: kurtsimonw May 5 2008, 09:58 PM

Really good signing, if Milan allow him to play his proper game. He isn't just a DM, he's a very hard-working box-to-box kind of player, he needs to be given a bit of freedom to be effective.

I'm sure he'll turn out to be a top signing, I really rate the guy.

Posted by: arivanjj May 5 2008, 10:02 PM

FORZA FLAMINI tongue.gif king.gif king.gif


great signing... now let the others roll in innocent.gif

Posted by: mchanna May 5 2008, 10:26 PM

QUOTE (Porty @ May 5 2008, 09:27 PM)
Maybe he'll be a good signing. I always hated him but he improved a lot in the last 2 years.

We'll see. Good luck Flamini.
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huh? why did you hate him? huh.gif

Posted by: KillerMax May 5 2008, 10:27 PM

Good signing. But we need more attacking players.

Posted by: kurtsimonw May 5 2008, 10:30 PM

QUOTE (mchanna @ May 5 2008, 09:26 PM)
huh? why did you hate him?  huh.gif
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I'm gonna take a guess that it's because he's French? tongue.gif

Posted by: morgoth May 5 2008, 10:54 PM

QUOTE (Tennie @ May 5 2008, 07:40 PM)
The #5 jersey is still, to me, Billy's.  cry.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif
(yes, I'm sentimental, but he did wear it for 20+ years)
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Hum not sure about that, he was wearing the 19 back in 2003 (5 was Redondo's) ...

Anyway, welcome Mathieu I hope he keeps his season form and adapts quickly (it took 4 years in England dry.gif ) but the Milan environment is different wink.gif cool.gif

Posted by: TriniKing_CE May 5 2008, 11:18 PM

Flamini has reached - woohoo!
I am happy - hope he continues to do well!

Posted by: dst May 5 2008, 11:50 PM

QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ May 5 2008, 10:56 PM)
^^

Oh come on! we can't retire all the numbers we have...

But one of the numbers I'm already sure we'll retire is 22. (no need to say if Kaka retires at Milan). there are very few players in Milan's history who have contributed to Milan's success as much as Kaka has [and will in the future].
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Costacurta is not just any player... you did not say that but I think your post above is very disrespectful towards Billy! Maldini overshadowed him but that does not mean he is not a great legend. He is among the very few that deserve such an honor!!

Kaka has offered very little compared to Costacurta. It's a disgrace his name is (right now) mentioned next to Alessandro's... sleep.gif

edit: Ricardo to me is not even a Milan legend yet.

Posted by: aLbErTo May 6 2008, 12:21 AM

i'm not quite sure 22 will get retired...i thought also few years ago that 7 is gonna be, but you see know wink.gif...but in truth we are retiring only numbers of defenders (but really big ones)...do you imagine costacurta-baresi-maldini trio biggrin.gif

Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 6 2008, 04:49 AM

I think we shall retire only one-club men's jerseys. Maybe 10 years down the line if Kaka is still playing in the red and black,has been just like he is now and hangs up his boots.

Both Baresi and Paolo are team captains btw.

Oh and I agree with dst. Kaka is a Milan hero. A looong way to go to hit legend status.

But then I dont' consider Rijkaard or Gullit to be legends either.

Capello is...since he was not just a player. biggrin.gif

So is Carletto. wink.gif

Posted by: m1ke May 6 2008, 01:42 PM

QUOTE
Blog: Gallic Gladiator
Mathieu Flamini will be wearing a Milan jersey next term and Richard Godden thinks it could be the signing of the summer

The 2007-08 season has proved to be a coming of age campaign for Mathieu Flamini. The Arsenal ace - who will arrive at Milan in the summer on a Bosman free transfer - has been one of the top defensive midfielders in Europe over the past nine months, bringing plenty of pace and energy to a role which generally requires only power and patience. At just 24-years-old, he undoubtedly has his best years ahead of him.

So it is safe to say that the Rossoneri have pulled off one of the transfer coups of the summer before the current season is even complete. Although it's a tad harsh on Massimo Ambrosini, a midfield trio of Flamini, Gennaro Gattuso and Andrea Pirlo is as good as any in Serie A. With the hustle and bustle of the former duo allowing Milan's quarter-back to conduct the play from deep, it looks as though Carlo Ancelotti has found the perfect formula.

However, it does raise a question which I have been scratching my head over for quite some time - why was Emerson signed last summer? The Brazilian has made just six Serie A starts this season and made about as much impact as Ibrahim Ba has on his return to San Siro. And with Flamini, Clarence Seedorf, Cristian Brocchi and Yoann Gourcuff all ahead of the ex-Juventus and Roma man in the pecking order, does he have a future at the club? If you ask me, he shouldn't even have a past or present at Milan.

Another point worth making, particularly at a club which places such a firm emphasis on loyalty, is that Flamini has played for two teams in his career and on both occasions he has left on bad terms. While at Marseille, shortly after he had just played in the 2004 UEFA Cup Final, the French international decided to head for Highbury. L'OM did not receive a penny from the Gunners as Flamini had yet to agree a long-term professional deal - a scenario which seems to have blighted Italian clubs of late. Then Marseille boss Jose Anigo said at the time: “This is a beautiful treason. He used me.”

Arsene Wenger has yet to say anything to that degree, but you can bet your bottom dollar that he is not happy to lose a player he put plenty of faith in this season. By selling Lassana Diarra - his main rival for a midfield spot - he was effectively telling Flamini that he was part of the Gunners' spine, an integral part of the team. That has been thrown back in the tactician's face, although those saying it's all down to money don't know the whole truth. Flamini's father is from Rome and the midfielder recently spoke of how proud he was to be an Italian. So if Raymond Domenech gives him a summer call-up then there could be an intriguing conflict of interests at Euro 2008…

Posted by: m1ke May 6 2008, 02:13 PM

^^ Do you think it's strange that our potential future captain isn't even perceived as a starter outside (and in some case, inside) of our fanbase?

Posted by: Tennie May 6 2008, 02:18 PM

In a way, yes, it is strange. Thing is, Massimo has had a horrible time with injury. I think this is the first season in a very long time that he hasn't (touch wood) been out for an extended period on injury. And while he sometimes tackles just as well as Paul Scholes does (no offense to either intended), I think Max is having a very good campaign. He's absolutely adored by the couple of people I know who have season tickets, who credit him for having more heart than anyone else on the team.

Posted by: kurtsimonw May 6 2008, 02:33 PM

I personally rate Ambro very highly, and prefer him to Gattuso. Rino can't do anything that Ambro can't - eg. work hard, win the ball back, play with a huge heart and has a fantastic work rate. - But Ambro even scores goals - one of the best headerers of a ball in the Milan team if you ask me. I'd be very disappointed if he wasn't considered a starter next season - given that he's been possibly our most on form midfielder this season!

Posted by: zdrossoneri May 6 2008, 02:36 PM

QUOTE (dst @ May 6 2008, 02:20 AM)
Costacurta is not just any player... you did not say that but I think your post above is very disrespectful towards Billy! Maldini overshadowed him but that does not mean he is not a great legend. He is among the very few that deserve such an honor!!

Kaka has offered very little compared to Costacurta. It's a disgrace his name is (right now) mentioned next to Alessandro's... sleep.gif

edit: Ricardo to me is not even a Milan legend yet.
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What the hell are you talking about?!? I didn't insult Costacurta.

Some of you think you like/love one player more than others do, and it's really really sickening. puke.gif


And oh, seems like Kaka has more haters on this forum than I previously thought. you guys can't stop mentioning the Athens final one day but when it comes to the one who almost single handedly won it for us... phew... he has offered very little? now that's a laugh. only six players in our history have won the Ballon d'Or and Kaka is one of them. only three players in our 'rich history' have won the Fifa world player of the year award in our history and Kaka is one of them. seven times we have managed to win the European championship and one of them was won mainly thanks to him. he has contributed enough to Milan [and will continue to do so] to be considered a legend and he is. doesn't matter if some of you don't really like him.

Posted by: Tennie May 6 2008, 02:44 PM

Pot. Kettle. Black.

Everyone has favourite players, zd, including yourself. That said, even if Kaka has had some WONDERFUL years with Milan, I at least (and apparently not dst either) don't think he's quite reached the level of a Baresi or a Maldini or a Costacurta (guys who, while they may not have won the World Player of the Year award, DID win multiple European Cups with what is probably the best club team of all time). Give Kaka another 5 years in the Milan jersey and then, yeah. It'd be appropriate to talk legend status.

Posted by: kurtsimonw May 6 2008, 02:44 PM

I agree with you there Zd. One example is that a few people on here see Pippo as some sort of legend - even considered having his number retired! But Pippo has done very little compared to Kaka' in my opinion. Heck, Pippo has only really had 1 good season for Milan in terms of goalscoring, the rest he's done very little, except a few goals in a CL every now and then (And this recent bit of temporary form).

Actually, I bet Kaka' has played more games, and scored more goals, for Milan than Pippo has!

Some players do seem 'untouchable' for some reason. And I really don't know why. I'll criticise anyone if they deserve it, if Maldini puts in a bad performance, it's no different than if Dida does, he deserves the same criticism.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 6 2008, 02:54 PM

QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ May 6 2008, 04:36 PM)
What the hell are you talking about?!? I didn't insult Costacurta.

Some of you think you like/love one player more than others do, and it's really really sickening. puke.gif
And oh, seems like Kaka has more haters on this forum than I previously thought. you guys can't stop mentioning the Athens final one day but when it comes to the one who almost single handedly won it for us... phew... he has offered very little? now that's a laugh. only six players in our history have won the Ballon d'Or and Kaka is one of them. only three players in our 'rich history' have won the Fifa world player of the year award in our history and Kaka is one of them. seven times we have managed to win the European championship and one of them was won mainly thanks to him. he has contributed enough to Milan [and will continue to do so] to be considered a legend and he is. doesn't matter if some of you don't really like him.
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No one hates Kaka'. We ALL love Kaka'.

We all have eyes ... We all have minds to comprehend Z, and we all saw how Kaka' orchestrated Milan's dream to reach Athena! We all know he is first choice and indispensable to this club.

But a legendary status is something and freezing a number is something else. Kaka' has written his name in Milan's history, and no doubt he has another good six years to continue doing that. But that has nothing to do with the club freezing the number 22. I mean, not MVB or Altafini had such done for them and they were as crucial as Kaka' is. To freeze a number, you have to reach the status of Franco or Paolo ... And I'm sorry to say this but Kaka' is light-years away from that.

Still, Kaka' is our talisman, the focus of our attack! No one can say otherwise.


What dst is saying ... Is that if Billy didn't get his shirt frozen, then why should Kaka' get it ?

Posted by: zdrossoneri May 6 2008, 03:01 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ May 6 2008, 05:14 PM)
I agree with you there Zd. One example is that a few people on here see Pippo as some sort of legend - even considered having his number retired! But Pippo has done very little compared to Kaka' in my opinion. Heck, Pippo has only really had 1 good season for Milan in terms of goalscoring, the rest he's done very little, except a few goals in a CL every now and then (And this recent bit of temporary form).

Actually, I bet Kaka' has played more games, and scored more goals, for Milan than Pippo has!

Some players do seem 'untouchable' for some reason. And I really don't know why. I'll criticise anyone if they deserve it, if Maldini puts in a bad performance, it's no different than if Dida does, he deserves the same criticism.
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Worst part is, they'll probably be defending Kaka [like they defend Pippo or Maldini or Billy now] five or seven years from now.

There's a long way between actually liking a player and 'pretending' to like a player. judging on some of the members' posts I've got the impression they are mostly pretending the like him. perhaps if he was Italian he would have gotten a lot more credit than this.

Posted by: zdrossoneri May 6 2008, 03:07 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ May 6 2008, 05:24 PM)
What dst is saying ... Is that if Billy didn't get his shirt frozen, then why should Kaka' get it ?
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I think what dst said is very clear: it's a disgrace Kaka's name is mentioned next to Billy's. how do you interpret that?... personally as a Milan I felt insulted to see someone talk about our current best player like this.

Believe me if I had said something like this about Pippo I would've gotten slaughtered on here.

Posted by: acid911 May 6 2008, 03:09 PM

Sometimes I think the word legend gets thrown around too often! I mean to be called a legend you have to prove your undying love for a particular club. Paolo, Baresi, and Billy are the only three who deserve the tag. smile.gif Case in point: Rui Costa. He's as big a legend as any for Benfica - despite playing the best part of his career in Italy. It's his love that took him back there to spend the last few years in front of his home fans. He's as adored there as Paolo is in Milan.

Kaka will snug in an all-time Milan XI with ease. Give him some time to be called a legend. He's one in the making. And if he spends another six, ten years donning the Red and Black, no one can deny him the status. Look at Sheva, he made one bad call and not many people call him a legend. So is Inzaghi. Irrespective of all the million dollar goals he's scored for us, he's still a far cry from being called a legend. He's one of our best performing players of all time, nonetheless, but a legend? No thank you.

A legend is someone like Batistuta - how many medals and trophies he missed by staying loyal to Fiorentina? You can't count them if you tried. He could have sleepwalked into the top 3 clubs of that time, but he spent seven years there. Ditto for Rui Costa, who after spending five years was sold to us because of financial troubles at Viola. cool.gif

Respect the word LEGEND. It's not something you see often.

Posted by: Tennie May 6 2008, 03:10 PM

I personally think that Kaka is the best player in the world. Full stop.

That said, the one thing that does get on my nerves is the perception I have that some folks think he's the only good player on the team and that all the Italians suck. We all KNOW Kaka is good, we don't need it shoved down our throats at every opportunity. That doesn't mean that everyone else in a Milan jersey is a bad player unworthy of any praise.

So I do think there's really some middle ground in this disagreement, at least there is on my part. Perhaps we all need to be a little more understanding of the opinions of others.

Posted by: whoarethepatriots May 6 2008, 03:13 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ May 6 2008, 01:33 PM)
I personally rate Ambro very highly, and prefer him to Gattuso. Rino can't do anything that Ambro can't - eg. work hard, win the ball back, play with a huge heart and has a fantastic work rate. - But Ambro even scores goals - one of the best headerers of a ball in the Milan team if you ask me. I'd be very disappointed if he wasn't considered a starter next season - given that he's been possibly our most on form midfielder this season!
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Agreed. He is by far the best header of the ball in the squad. Gila is second strongest

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ May 6 2008, 01:44 PM)
I agree with you there Zd. One example is that a few people on here see Pippo as some sort of legend - even considered having his number retired! But Pippo has done very little compared to Kaka' in my opinion. Heck, Pippo has only really had 1 good season for Milan in terms of goalscoring, the rest he's done very little, except a few goals in a CL every now and then (And this recent bit of temporary form).

Actually, I bet Kaka' has played more games, and scored more goals, for Milan than Pippo has!

Some players do seem 'untouchable' for some reason. And I really don't know why. I'll criticise anyone if they deserve it, if Maldini puts in a bad performance, it's no different than if Dida does, he deserves the same criticism.
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QFT. Thats the right attitude. People for some reason think that certain players are immune from criticism, that is not the case. Praise when necessary criticise when required. We cant just turn a blind eye for sentimentaility.

QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ May 6 2008, 02:07 PM)
I think what dst said is very clear: it's a disgrace Kaka's name is mentioned next to Billy's. how do you interpret that?... personally as a Milan I felt insulted to see someone talk about our current best player like this.

Believe me if I had said something like this about Pippo I would've gotten slaughtered on here.
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I dont think dst meant that. It didnt even really sound like he implied it. What dst is trying to say is that kaka has a long way to go before he can match Costacurta's stature. Billy was around for so long, suffered, bled and gave everything for a longer amount of time than Kaka. There is no doubt in my mind that Kaka will be a legend, just at the moment he is a hero

Posted by: acid911 May 6 2008, 03:13 PM

QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ May 6 2008, 07:01 PM)
Worst part is, they'll probably be defending Kaka [like they defend Pippo or Maldini or Billy now] five or seven years from now.

There's a long way between actually liking a player and 'pretending' to like a player. judging on some of the members' posts I've got the impression they are mostly pretending the like him. perhaps if he was Italian he would have gotten a lot more credit than this.
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I don't believe that to be the case. The whole Italian team combined can't shine a light to the talent and skills this guy has got. But you just can't compare him to Billy. Yet. The guy gave two decades to this club, and got nothing in return. Everything Kaka touches turns to gold. He's the best paid, and most respected player in the world. Tell me anyone else that's better?

And if five or ten years down the road some people adore Kaka, then he'd have earned the legend status. Trust me on this one, Z. wink.gif

Posted by: acid911 May 6 2008, 03:20 PM

QUOTE (Tennie @ May 6 2008, 07:10 PM)
I personally think that Kaka is the best player in the world. Full stop.

That said, the one thing that does get on my nerves is the perception I have that some folks think he's the only good player on the team and that all the Italians suck. We all KNOW Kaka is good, we don't need it shoved down our throats at every opportunity. That doesn't mean that everyone else in a Milan jersey is a bad player unworthy of any praise.

So I do think there's really some middle ground in this disagreement, at least there is on my part. Perhaps we all need to be a little more understanding of the opinions of others.
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The Italians hunt in packs. Their team spirit is their strength. As long as they are united and play as one team, they can be the top two team in the world (behind Brazil) any given Sunday. Germany, Spain, England can come in next. Even in games, Italian team chemistry is listed as over 90 every year. For a club like Real Madrid it's around 37. laugh.gif

Sure there are some very, very talented Italian, who can claim to be the world's best in their positions, but their main strength and skill is their team spirit and chemistry. Once that's down, as was in World Cup 2002, they fall apart. But if they play to their strength, few teams can dream of beating them.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 6 2008, 03:22 PM

QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ May 6 2008, 05:07 PM)
I think what dst said is very clear: it's a disgrace Kaka's name is mentioned next to Billy's. how do you interpret that?... personally as a Milan I felt insulted to see someone talk about our current best player like this.

Believe me if I had said something like this about Pippo I would've gotten slaughtered on here.
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(No need for these kind of remarks r7)
Max... So I am sure, you can tolerate other's views smile.gif

You guys were talking about having the number frozen ..

Costacurta, has given much more to Milan than Kaka' ... Not discarding Kaka' ofcourse, for he is by far Milan's best player atm ... Costacurta is a legend to this generation, the one before it, the one before that, the one before that also, and for the one before that too .. Costacurta has been playing with Milan long before Silvio Berlusconi came to Milan. Costacurta was an integral part in the gli invinsibli era, he formed what was then known as the old guard (the best defense Europe even saw) .. And has won countless trophies. Hence, dst said if Milan didn't freeze Costacurta's number for the years of service, why should they freeze Kaka's number smile.gif ... When he said that 'disgrace' it was when you asserted that Kaka' had done more etc etc ..


Pippo ? what has he got to do with this ? ... Well for the record, he wont get his number frozen! And Pippo is no where near Costacurta, Paolo or Baresi .. In terms of legendary status he is a legend, as is MVB, etc .. But he didn't give as much as Paolo, Costacurta or Baresi ... If there is one player (other than Maldini) on our current lineup worth freezing his number, it is Ambrosini (because of the years of service he has given, but even then he is no where near Costacurta or Maldini)!



p.s. Kaka', Pippo, etc these guys have written their names into Milan's history and ten or twenty years down the road, Milanista's will be talking about them ... But not in the same breath as they would for Costacurta, Baresi or Maldini king.gif

Posted by: kurtsimonw May 6 2008, 03:22 PM

QUOTE (acid911 @ May 6 2008, 02:20 PM)
Once that's down, as was in World Cup 2002, they fall apart. But if they play to their strength, few teams can dream of beating them.
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Lack of strength or a fix? wink.gif

Posted by: acid911 May 6 2008, 03:23 PM

QUOTE (whoarethepatriots @ May 6 2008, 07:13 PM)
Agreed. He is by far the best header of the ball in the squad. Gila is second strongest
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I'd put Inzaghi second behind Ambro, but then again that's just me. Gila is a very strong, physical player (when he's in the mood), with a very decent header. biggrin.gif

Posted by: acid911 May 6 2008, 03:26 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ May 6 2008, 07:22 PM)
Lack of strength or a fix?
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Both. But you can't deny they sucked. Even against Korea, Vieri missing all those easy chances, Del Piero was no where to be seen. Gattuso making his stupid little runs to the goal. Maldini was the only player putting his guts on the line. It just wasn't an Italian game if you ask me. huh.gif

The Italian team of 2006 will walk over Korea 92 times out of hundred.

Posted by: zdrossoneri May 6 2008, 03:28 PM

QUOTE (whoarethepatriots @ May 6 2008, 05:43 PM)
I dont think dst meant that. It didnt even really sound like he implied it. What dst is trying to say is that kaka has a long way to go before he can match Costacurta's stature. Billy was around for so long, suffered, bled and gave everything for a longer amount of time than Kaka. There is no doubt in my mind that Kaka will be a legend, just at the moment he is a hero
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For god's sake! didn't I say IF Kaka continues to play for Milan and retire in here?! when did I compare Kaka (of right now) with Billy? when?! blink.gif I can't remember saying "Kaka is better than Billy" or anything like that! I just said my opinion about Kaka and wasn't even thinking about Billy when I wrote the second part!

here's my damned post.
QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ May 5 2008, 11:26 PM)
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Oh come on! we can't retire all the numbers we have...

But one of the numbers I'm already sure we'll retire is 22. (no need to say if Kaka retires at Milan). there are very few players in Milan's history who have contributed to Milan's success as much as Kaka has [and will in the future].
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I said we can't because we didn't! I say we will because there's a good chance that it will hapen. I even said #22 is not an important number in any club. it's different from #9 or #5. the fact that new players pick #22 is Kaka. he made it famous!

QUOTE (acid911 @ May 6 2008, 05:43 PM)
I don't believe that to be the case. The whole Italian team combined can't shine a light to the talent and skills this guy has got. But you just can't compare him to Billy. Yet. The guy gave two decades to this club, and got nothing in return. Everything Kaka touches turns to gold. He's the best paid, and most respected player in the world. Tell me anyone else that's better?

And if five or ten years down the road some people adore Kaka, then he'd have earned the legend status. Trust me on this one, Z. wink.gif
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PLEASE TELL ME WHEN DID I COMPARE HIM TO BILLY? WHEN??????????? ohmy.gif



laugh.gif what a funny forum this is... they put words that don't belong to you in your mouth and bash you for nothing...

Posted by: kurtsimonw May 6 2008, 03:30 PM

QUOTE (acid911 @ May 6 2008, 02:26 PM)
Both. But you can't deny they sucked. Even against Korea, Vieri missing all those easy chances, Del Piero was no where to be seen. Gattuso making his stupid little runs to the goal. Maldini was the only player putting his guts on the line. It just wasn't an Italian game if you ask me. huh.gif

The Italian team of 2006 will walk over Korea 92 times out of hundred.
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It wasn't the best Italian performance, but they should have gone through. Wrongly disallowed goals, penalties not given, unfair sendings off.. I would have said it was just unlucky Italy, but when it happened to Spain too, FIX! tongue.gif

Posted by: Tennie May 6 2008, 03:34 PM

zd, your 'oh come on' post was directly after dst's post saying that the #5 should have been retired. That's why people think you're dissing on Billy.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 6 2008, 03:35 PM

QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ May 6 2008, 05:28 PM)
I said we can't because we didn't! I say we will because there's a good chance that it will hapen. I even said #22 is not an important number in any club. it's different from #9 or #5. the fact that new players pick #22 is Kaka. he made it famous!
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Yes he made it famous. But If they didn't freeze Costacurta's number, why would they freeze Kaka's ?

Because Kaka' won the Ballon D'or ? World player of the year ? CL 07 ? .... Costacurta is one of the pillars of Milan's supremacy today! He has won as much as Paolo Maldini.

Posted by: zdrossoneri May 6 2008, 03:43 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ May 6 2008, 05:52 PM)
You are not a kid, Z ... Your an adult now ... So I am sure, you can tolerate other's views smile.gif

You guys were talking about having the number frozen ..

Costacurta, has given much more to Milan than Kaka' ... Not discarding Kaka' ofcourse, for he is by far Milan's best player atm ... Costacurta is a legend to this generation, the one before it, the one before that, the one before that also, and for the one before that too .. Costacurta has been playing with Milan long before Silvio Berlusconi came to Milan. Costacurta was an integral part in the gli invinsibli era, he formed what was then known as the old guard (the best defense Europe even saw) .. And has won countless trophies. Hence, dst said if Milan didn't freeze Costacurta's number for the years of service, why should they freeze Kaka's number smile.gif  ... When he said that 'disgrace' it was when you asserted that Kaka' had done more etc etc ..

Pippo ? what has he got to do with this ? ... Well for the record, he wont get his number frozen! And Pippo is no where near Costacurta, Paolo or Baresi .. In terms of legendary status he is a legend, as is MVB, etc .. But he didn't give as much as Paolo, Costacurta or Baresi ... If there is one player (other than Maldini) on our current lineup worth freezing his number, it is Ambrosini (because of the years of service he has given, but even then he is no where near Costacurta or Maldini)!

p.s. Kaka', Pippo, etc these guys have written their names into Milan's history and ten or twenty years down the road, Milanista's will be talking about them ... But not in the same breath as they would for Costacurta, Baresi or Maldini king.gif
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When did I say "Kaka has done more than Billy"?? answer my question right now!! wink.gif

Let me answer it myself because you have this habit of twisting topics and I don't want this silly discussion to go on any longer. this is what I said:

There are very few players who have contributed to Milan's success as much as Kaka has [and will in the future].

Is that saying Kaka has done more than Billy? I wasn't even thinking about Billy when I wrote this but what if that "very few" includes Billy too?

And am I talking bullsh1t about Kaka's contribution to Milan's success? do you need me to name them?


Don't ever put words in my mouth again.

Posted by: Tennie May 6 2008, 03:45 PM

Okay, everyone. Cool down. Yes, this includes me too.

Posted by: kurtsimonw May 6 2008, 03:46 PM

I haven't seen the best years of Costacurta since he'd started playing for Milan before I wa sborn, but alot of my Italian friends that're Milan fans don't actually rate him that highly. They consider him more of a "fans favourite" than a legend.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 6 2008, 03:47 PM

QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ May 6 2008, 05:43 PM)
When did I say "Kaka has done more than Billy"?? answer my question right now!!  wink.gif

Let me answer it myself because you have this habit of twisting topics and I don't want this silly discussion to go on any longer. this is what I said:

There are very few players who have contributed to Milan's success as much as Kaka has [and will in the future].

Is that saying Kaka has done more than Billy? I wasn't even thinking about Billy when I wrote this but what if that "very few" includes Billy too?

And am I talking bullsh1t about Kaka's contribution to Milan's success? do you need me to name them?
Don't ever put words in my mouth again.
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huh.gif

Bottom line .. Costacurta didn't get his shirt frozen. Kaka' doesn't deserve it.

Posted by: acid911 May 6 2008, 03:50 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ May 6 2008, 07:30 PM)
It wasn't the best Italian performance, but they should have gone through. Wrongly disallowed goals, penalties not given, unfair sendings off.. I would have said it was just unlucky Italy, but when it happened to Spain too, FIX!
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It was undeniably a fix. That pot smoking referee in the Italy vs Korea game. But it also wasn't the Men In Blue's best performance either. They could have slotted in at least three goals, and then no power on earth could have fixed it. Korea was and is a middle of the road team. tongue.gif

Come to think of it, they weren't playing to their potential earlier. Just got into the knockout stage after that wonder goal from Piero. Very un-Italian like, I'd say. They had one of the best squads in the World Cup ever. Maldini, Nesta, Cannavaro, Totti, Vieri, Del Piero, Buffon, Toldo, Zambarotta, Gattuso. Oh, my! ohmy.gif

QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ May 6 2008, 07:28 PM)
PLEASE TELL ME WHEN DID I COMPARE HIM TO BILLY? WHEN???????????
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I meant "you" as a generalization. It could very well be interchanged with "one". wink.gif

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ May 6 2008, 07:46 PM)
I haven't seen the best years of Costacurta since he'd started playing for Milan before I wa sborn, but alot of my Italian friends that're Milan fans don't actually rate him that highly. They consider him more of a "fans favourite" than a legend.
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True, he wasn't as much a pure talent as Paolo. But he was very dedicated to the club, and from some of the matches I've seen, gave his all every time. Tell me one defender who won't be overshadowed by Paolo at his peak? king.gif

QUOTE (Tennie @ May 6 2008, 07:45 PM)
Okay, everyone. Cool down. Yes, this includes me too.
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+144545154574513. This is a Flamini thread after all, and if this is the sign of things to come, God have mercy on us. Hehe. cool.gif

Posted by: zdrossoneri May 6 2008, 03:51 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ May 6 2008, 06:05 PM)
Yes he made it famous. But If they didn't freeze Costacurta's number, why would they freeze Kaka's ?

Because Kaka' won the Ballon D'or ? World player of the year ? CL 07 ? .... Costacurta is one of the pillars of Milan's supremacy today! He has won as much as Paolo Maldini.
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It's just my opinion. I didn't make anyone accept it!

Even if Kaka hasn't done 1/100th of what Billy has [which is not true imo], should we say it's a disgrace his name is mentioned next to Billy's?! what are you defending?

Posted by: zdrossoneri May 6 2008, 03:58 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ May 6 2008, 06:17 PM)
huh.gif

Bottom line .. Costacurta didn't get his shirt frozen. Kaka' doesn't deserve it.
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There's not one bit of sense it what you say. wink.gif let's just stop it.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 6 2008, 04:05 PM

QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ May 6 2008, 05:58 PM)
There's not one bit of sense it what you say.  wink.gif let's just stop it.
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Whatever you say chief.

Posted by: Tennie May 6 2008, 04:07 PM

Soo..........Flamini is French.

Will Porty be able to bear it, having a Frenchman on the team? biggrin.gif

Will Raymond Domenech ever call Flamini up again, given his aversion to calling up French players who play for Italian clubs?

Inquiring fish dolls want to know! 96.gif

Posted by: m1ke May 6 2008, 04:23 PM

QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ May 6 2008, 02:51 PM)
should we say it's a disgrace his name is mentioned next to Billy's?!
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Maybe 'disgrace' was a bit of a strong word blink.gif Kaka is already a legend in my eyes, but let's not discuss retiring a 26 year old's jersey when people like Billy have played for Milan for almost as long as Kaka has been alive.

Regardless, Kaka is on the right path. Let's review this thread in around 8 years time (v3 anyone? laugh.gif)

Posted by: whoarethepatriots May 6 2008, 05:14 PM

QUOTE (acid911 @ May 6 2008, 02:23 PM)
I'd put Inzaghi second behind Ambro, but then again that's just me. Gila is a very strong, physical player (when he's in the mood), with a very decent header. biggrin.gif
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Inzaghi seems more effective in the air because of his positioning, but Gila is still better overall in the air.

There was a point last season where all (or most) of his goals were aieral

Posted by: acid911 May 6 2008, 05:23 PM

QUOTE (whoarethepatriots @ May 6 2008, 09:14 PM)
Inzaghi seems more effective in the air because of his positioning, but Gila is still better overall in the air.

There was a point last season where all (or most) of his goals were aieral
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Yeah, could very well be. He's 6-2, while Pippo only crosses 5-11. So he's got a fair height advantage. Plus, he's physically stronger too. But no two words about it, these three have got the best heads. tongue.gif Ambro is still the king of headers, though.

Posted by: KillerMax May 6 2008, 06:57 PM

From now on, posts that don't relate to Flamini(directly or indirectly) in this thread, will get deleted.

Posted by: dst May 6 2008, 07:36 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ May 6 2008, 04:44 PM)
I'll criticise anyone if they deserve it, if Maldini puts in a bad performance, it's no different than if Dida does, he deserves the same criticism.
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QUOTE (whoarethepatriots @ May 6 2008, 05:13 PM)
Thats the right attitude. People for some reason think that certain players are immune from criticism, that is not the case. Praise when necessary criticise when required. We cant just turn a blind eye for sentimentaility.
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Flamini is a good player and you two will rot in hell for what you said!

Is this alright Max!??

Posted by: morgoth May 6 2008, 07:59 PM

QUOTE (Tennie @ May 6 2008, 02:18 PM)
In a way, yes, it is strange. Thing is, Massimo has had a horrible time with injury. I think this is the first season in a very long time that he hasn't (touch wood) been out for an extended period on injury. And while he sometimes tackles just as well as Paul Scholes does (no offense to either intended), I think Max is having a very good campaign. He's absolutely adored by the couple of people I know who have season tickets, who credit him for having more heart than anyone else on the team.
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Actually it's the second smile.gif

QUOTE (acid911 @ May 6 2008, 03:09 PM)
Sometimes I think the word legend gets thrown around too often! I mean to be called a legend you have to prove your undying love for a particular club. Paolo, Baresi, and Billy are the only three who deserve the tag. smile.gif Case in point: Rui Costa. He's as big a legend as any for Benfica - despite playing the best part of his career in Italy. It's his love that took him back there to spend the last few years in front of his home fans. He's as adored there as Paolo is in Milan.

Kaka will snug in an all-time Milan XI with ease. Give him some time to be called a legend. He's one in the making. And if he spends another six, ten years donning the Red and Black, no one can deny him the status. Look at Sheva, he made one bad call and not many people call him a legend. So is Inzaghi. Irrespective of all the million dollar goals he's scored for us, he's still a far cry from being called a legend. He's one of our best performing players of all time, nonetheless, but a legend? No thank you.

A legend is someone like Batistuta - how many medals and trophies he missed by staying loyal to Fiorentina? You can't count them if you tried. He could have sleepwalked into the top 3 clubs of that time, but he spent seven years there. Ditto for Rui Costa, who after spending five years was sold to us because of financial troubles at Viola. cool.gif

Respect the word LEGEND. It's not something you see often.
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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ May 6 2008, 03:22 PM)
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Costacurta was an integral part in the gli invinsibli era, he formed what was then known as the old guard (the best defense Europe even saw) ..
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You probably mean the World tongue.gif

QUOTE (acid911 @ May 6 2008, 03:23 PM)
I'd put Inzaghi second behind Ambro, but then again that's just me. Gila is a very strong, physical player (when he's in the mood), with a very decent header. biggrin.gif
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I think Gila is stronger than both Pippo and Max in the air

QUOTE (acid911 @ May 6 2008, 03:50 PM)
Come to think of it, they weren't playing to their potential earlier. Just got into the knockout stage after that wonder goal from Piero. Very un-Italian like, I'd say. They had one of the best squads in the World Cup ever. Maldini, Nesta, Cannavaro, Totti, Vieri, Del Piero, Buffon, Toldo, Zambarotta, Gattuso. Oh, my! ohmy.gif
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Actually it's a very Italian way smile.gif they always have a bad (average) start and reach the final

QUOTE (Tennie @ May 6 2008, 04:07 PM)
Will Raymond Domenech ever call Flamini up again, given his aversion to calling up French players who play for Italian clubs?
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Partially true. Actually the creep hates Italians (especially since the WC final) and doesn't like the players who play in a foreign leagues dry.gif but it doesn't mean he will not call them, half of the French players play in a foreign league, and the creep doesn't like changes at all. His main problem is that he's revengeful, you better not have an argument with him or tell him he's clueless or bye bye selection (Giuly, Pires, and ... Frey) laugh.gif

Posted by: whoarethepatriots May 6 2008, 08:09 PM

QUOTE (morgoth @ May 6 2008, 06:59 PM)
Actually it's the second  smile.gif
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You probably mean the World tongue.gif
I think Gila is stronger than both Pippo and Max in the air
Actually it's a very Italian way smile.gif they always have a bad (average) start and reach the final
Partially true. Actually the creep hates Italians (especially since the WC final) and doesn't like the players who play in a foreign leagues dry.gif but it doesn't mean he will not call them, half of the French players play in a foreign league, and the creep doesn't like changes at all. His main problem is that he's revengeful, you better not have an argument with him or tell him he's clueless or bye bye selection (Giuly, Pires, and ... Frey) laugh.gif
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I would say he dislikes Serie A more than anything. Frey (but to be fair he played poorly in his last match vs Ukraine) Mexes, Trez etc

Flamini has very little chance of making the national sqaud. He like EPL, but thats only because half the France squad is located there

Posted by: acid911 May 6 2008, 08:59 PM

QUOTE (nuh @ May 6 2008, 01:30 AM)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siI_4IYBink
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Thanks, nuh. I've only seen some of his goals, but the video showed him in better light. Wonder why they've nicked him Gattuso? He's a cross between Gattuso and Pirlo. Can makes passes and score goals, as well as dictating the midfield. Hope he fits into the team fast.

About his appearance, well he looks, um, French! tongue.gif

Posted by: zdrossoneri May 10 2008, 06:37 PM

" Flattuso " biggrin.gif

Posted by: Tennie May 11 2008, 04:26 AM

Here's my translation of the 'Flattuso' article on uefa.com's italian page (it doesn't appear on the English page). http://it.uefa.com/magazine/news/kind=32/newsid=693618.html

There are few doubts that AC Milan is the most 'Brazilian' team in Italy. Not only for the presence of many players from that South American country - there are 8 on the squad - but also for the style of play that Carlo Ancelotti has transmitted since his arrival in November 2001. The first acquisition of the next season for the rossoneri, Mathieu Flamini, could represent an inversion of this tendency; but in reality, the protagonist - albeit an involuntary one - of the acquisition of the French midfielder, arriving on a free transfer from Arsenal, is another Brazilian: Gilberto Silva.

Fantastic Partnership
Flamini came to the Gunners in 2004, thanks to payment of a FIFA indemity given that he hadn't signed a professional contract with Olympique Marseille, the team where he played in the youth ranks. In the first three years, Arsene Wenger didn't use him with regularity, to the extent that the midfielder stated a desire to change teams last summer. But in August, the extra vacation given to Gilberto Silva, who played in the Coppa America, gave him room to begin the seasion as a starter: he won the place on the team and never gave it up, forming a fantastic partnership with Cesc Fabregas.

“Flattuso”
The 'ifs' and 'buts' have never made football history, but it's possible that without playing for his national team, Gilberto Silva wouldn't have lost his starting position and Flamini wouldn't have had the occasion to get MIlan's attention. In an irony of sorts, the French midfielder was nicknamed 'Flattuso' by his Arsenal teammates, as his style of play is similar to that of Gennaro Gattuso. It's a comparison that Wenger acknowledged too: the two, next season, will be teammates.

More Offensive
The nickname was given 'by the African players at Arsenal, because' said the Frenchman, 'I never give up.' But the comparison with 'Ringhio' hasn't convinced Flamini. 'It's true that they call me that and that he's a great footballer', Flamini said some months ago, 'I don't want to sound disrespectful of his style because he's a marvellous footballer, but I think I'm different, more offensive. In any case, I want to have my own identity in the footballing world.'

Italian Father
The comparison with Gattuso isn't the only tie between Flamini and Italy. His father, Roland, was born in Rome and he's got relatives in the Eternal City. The midfielder, therefore, understands and speaks our language and this can ease his transition. The former player of OM and Arsenal is being called to break a taboo at Milanello, where French players haven't always met expectations. Having such problems include, among others, Patrick Vieira (one of the midfielders Flamini admires along with Roy Keane), Christophe Dugarry and Yoann Gourcuff, while Marcel Desailly was a pleasant exception to the rule.

Ancelotti Satisfied
What convinced Milan to buy Flamini was probably the two Champions League matches in which Arsenal denied Milan the chance to retain the trophy. 'He's a great player', said Carlo Ancelotti before the transfer, 'when he played against us he showed great dynamism and ability, someone like him could do well in any team. He's a great buy.'

Less Talkative
Flamini was less talkative. 'I'm very happy, thank you very much,' he said after passing his medical and signing a 4 year contract. His performance this year has been exceptional, with 30 games in the Premier League and 8 in the Champions League, with three goals scored. To prove himself in Italy, he'll be able to give them a definite sign.

Posted by: Tennie May 11 2008, 04:45 AM



Flamini & Cesc at Flamini's farewell party. Milan's new Frenchman is already getting into the right mindset: he's wearing Dolce & Gabbana (note the DG on his shirt). 96.gif

Posted by: Darunia May 11 2008, 04:53 AM

Is that Hleb in the background? Hope he doesn't have a farewell party anytime soon!

Posted by: arivanjj May 11 2008, 06:47 AM

QUOTE (Tennie @ May 11 2008, 01:45 PM)


Flamini & Cesc at Flamini's farewell party. Milan's new Frenchman is already getting into the right mindset: he's wearing Dolce & Gabbana (note the DG on his shirt).  96.gif
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biggrin.gif 96.gif cool.gif

Posted by: Devillito May 11 2008, 08:20 PM

QUOTE
Flamini: I Might Have Stayed If Only...



Mathieu Flamini has admitted that Arsenal's failure on all fronts this season has directly influenced his decision to leave the club for Milan.

Most reports cite the lure of the euro as the motivation behind Flamini's decision, but the French internationl insinuated that he made up his mind a result of Arsenal's failure to land silverware and Milan's oh so effective charm offensive.

When pressed on whether ultimate success in the Premiership or the Champions League might have convinced him to stay, Flamini said: "That would have weighed in the balance. It would certainly have counted.

"I actually wanted to sign a new contract at Arsenal last July but it didn't happen. AC Milan did so much to sign me I couldn't refuse," he added.

"What happened to us after leading the league for so long was the most painful experience I had during four years at Arsenal."

Flamini, 24, recently put pen to paper on a four-year deal with Milan said to be worth a staggering £70,000 a week

Goal.com


Sshheessh dry.gif
Its hard to believe a footballer these days.
Now, not playing in CL next season is a really smart step-forward plan.

Posted by: acid911 May 11 2008, 08:32 PM

QUOTE (Devillito @ May 12 2008, 12:20 AM)
Sshheessh
Its hard to believe a footballer these days.
Now, not playing in CL next season is a really smart step-forward plan.
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Lol, yeah as is earning 70,000 pounds a week. No wonder Gattuso is leaving. wink.gif I'll hold my verdict until Flamini's first season in Milan has ended.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 11 2008, 08:32 PM

QUOTE (Devillito @ May 11 2008, 08:20 PM)
Sshheessh  dry.gif
Its hard to believe a footballer these days.
Now, not playing in CL next season is a really smart step-forward plan.
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dry.gif

Posted by: morgoth May 12 2008, 03:06 PM

£70.000 a week must be a joke ohmy.gif

Posted by: dst May 12 2008, 04:45 PM

QUOTE (morgoth @ May 12 2008, 05:06 PM)
£70.000 a week must be a joke ohmy.gif
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We got him for free...

Posted by: morgoth May 12 2008, 06:37 PM

QUOTE (dst @ May 12 2008, 04:45 PM)
We got him for free...
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Well, you're probably right plus that means something like £3.5M witch is not that huge for a footballer, the thing is I still think £1=1.5€ laugh.gif stupid me ... dry.gif

Posted by: rhy_A4 May 16 2008, 01:02 PM

Look at Flattuso tongue.gif slide in defently got the temperment of Gattuso lol


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-709TRnPa4&feature=related

Posted by: anano1214 May 20 2008, 10:06 PM

http://img220.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=99011_box_200805_flamini_123_406lo.jpg

Posted by: armisse May 20 2008, 10:48 PM

Nice picture , please more ...... biggrin.gif tongue.gif

Posted by: zdrossoneri Jun 2 2008, 11:42 AM

Vieira Out Of Euro 2008?

France may be dealt a huge blow ahead of their Euro 2008 challenge, as reports are circulating that Patrick Vieira will be ruled out of the tournament with a muscular injury.

Vieira picked up a thigh problem prior to Les Bleus’ warmup match against Paraguay on Saturday evening, and was forced to sit out the 0-0 draw.

The 31-year-old received medical treatment to the injury on Saturday, however he has reportedly not responded too well, and could be out for at least a few weeks, which would almost certainly mean missing Euro 2008.

New AC Milan midfielder Mathieu Flamini, who surprisingly was snubbed of a place in the squad, has now been called up by coach Raymond Domenech to act as the 24th man until a definite decision is made on whether to keep Vieira. If he is sent home, Flamini will be his replacement.

The Inter midfielder has had an injury-hit campaign, barely setting foot on the field during the first half of the season.

However the former Arsenal man has been in excellent form recently and was set to be a key player for the French at Austria and Switzerland.

He is almost certainly out of France’s opening Group C game against Romania a week today, but the outlook is looking far dimmer than this at the moment.

Anthony Sormani


I hope Flatusso goes to the Euros cool.gif

Posted by: rhy_A4 Jun 2 2008, 01:49 PM

me too !!! hed rock !!!!!

Posted by: whoarethepatriots Jun 2 2008, 01:57 PM

I dislike Veira immensely. I hope Flamini does get the place (and not just because he is one of our players!)

Posted by: vahid Jun 2 2008, 02:00 PM

Yes.He is recalled by Domenech:
MILAN - The French national team coach, Raymond Domenech, has re-called, 'for precaution', in the list of the called-up players for Euro 2008, the Rossoneri's midfielder Mathieu Flamini, due to a muscular problem to his left thigh, where left Patrick Vieira had to interrupt the training session at Toulouse on Friday. (ANSA)
96.gif

Posted by: morgoth Jun 2 2008, 03:42 PM

DP

Posted by: morgoth Jun 2 2008, 03:43 PM

Now that's a sweet peace of news cool.gif

The French captain injury of course sleep.gif

Posted by: dst Jun 2 2008, 04:51 PM

He'll pick Makelele ahead of Flamini anyway.

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 2 2008, 04:59 PM

QUOTE (dst @ Jun 2 2008, 09:51 AM)
He'll pick Makelele ahead of Flamini anyway.
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domenech is an idiot. He cut clichy. rolleyes.gif He'll be fired after euro anyways so it works out in the end.

Posted by: dst Jun 2 2008, 05:03 PM

QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 2 2008, 06:59 PM)
domenech is an idiot.  He cut clichy.  rolleyes.gif  He'll be fired after euro anyways so it works out in the end.
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biggrin.gif I agree. But I think Makelele is better than Flamini. Especially with his experience.

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 2 2008, 05:06 PM

QUOTE (dst @ Jun 2 2008, 10:03 AM)
biggrin.gif I agree. But I think Makelele is better than Flamini. Especially with his experience.
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i agree aswell. Oh well. He'll still get playing time.

Posted by: morgoth Jun 2 2008, 05:24 PM

Makelele is assured to be a starter, the question is about the second DM.

Edit. Wait I forgot Toulalan biggrin.gif Flamini will be a back up!

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jun 2 2008, 06:48 PM

QUOTE (dst @ Jun 2 2008, 05:03 PM)
biggrin.gif I agree. But I think Makelele is better than Flamini. Especially with his experience.
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That's for sure. But if Domenech picks a lone striker and Malouda-Ribery behind him, it could be a Flamini-Makelele duo,..?

Posted by: Portikins Jun 2 2008, 06:56 PM

Makelele should already be retired. He's old and slow. Flamini won't be a started but if I was their coach he'd be.

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 2 2008, 09:14 PM

QUOTE (Porty @ Jun 2 2008, 11:56 AM)
Makelele should already be retired. He's old and slow. Flamini won't be a started but if I was their coach he'd be.
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if a sane man was their coach. Flamini would start.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jun 2 2008, 09:35 PM

QUOTE (Porty @ Jun 2 2008, 06:56 PM)
Makelele should already be retired. He's old and slow. Flamini won't be a started but if I was their coach he'd be.
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Maybe but still, he was top against United in that final. He can be of use, especially his experience.

Posted by: whoarethepatriots Jun 2 2008, 09:46 PM

QUOTE (Porty @ Jun 2 2008, 05:56 PM)
Makelele should already be retired. He's old and slow. Flamini won't be a started but if I was their coach he'd be.
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QFT

It should be him and Toulalan. I also cant believe Dom rates Boumsong ahed of Mexes...

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 2 2008, 09:49 PM

QUOTE (whoarethepatriots @ Jun 2 2008, 02:46 PM)
QFT

It should be him and Toulalan. I also cant believe Dom rates Boumsong ahed of Mexes...
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that right there is the joke of the century.

Posted by: morgoth Jun 2 2008, 11:28 PM

You guys seem to forget Toulalan, he's really good and better than Flamini!

Posted by: dst Jun 3 2008, 09:45 AM

QUOTE (Portikins @ Jun 2 2008, 08:56 PM)
Makelele should already be retired. He's old and slow.
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Makelele easily owns every other DM out there but he's old and he can't play every game.

QUOTE (whoarethepatriots @ Jun 2 2008, 11:46 PM)
I also cant believe Dom rates Boumsong ahed of Mexes...
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This thing just doesn't exist! I like to think that he has a problem with his brain and forgot Mexes, there's no other way to justify this...

QUOTE (morgoth @ Jun 3 2008, 01:28 AM)
You guys seem to forget Toulalan, he's really good and better than Flamini!
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Better? Well, I have not seen him many times. Only with Lyon.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jun 3 2008, 10:38 AM

Why don't you try to see it from a different perspective. Mexes is a troubled guy IMO who could break the teams harmony. Boumsong on the other hand is a player who won't complain sitting on the bench and recording the Austrian-swiss sides for home video..

Posted by: morgoth Jun 3 2008, 03:48 PM

QUOTE (dst @ Jun 3 2008, 09:45 AM)
Better? Well, I have not seen him many times. Only with Lyon.
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I honestly think he is better and has more experience, and i can assure you that the French coach won't play Flamini as a starter, plus he said that Flamini should know that there are 23 players before him as he was first left out of the list ...

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jun 3 2008, 10:38 AM)
Why don't you try to see it from a different perspective. Mexes is a troubled guy IMO who could break the teams harmony. Boumsong on the other hand is a player who won't complain sitting on the bench and recording the Austrian-swiss sides for home video..
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I don't think so, Mexes is not that kind of player. The only reason he's not in the list is because he criticised his NT coach many times, especially concerning Trez. The creep is doing to him what he did to Giuly, Pires and Trez before!

Posted by: Portikins Jun 8 2008, 08:02 PM





*Flamini thinking* : Why don't you just break a leg?

wink.gif

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 9 2008, 12:01 AM



Viera: Look buddy, i got my starting position garuanteed. But i'm pretty sure you still gotta chance.

Flamini: I'm not worried, after all makelele was on the team that lost CL final.
viera: hahaha your right!

Posted by: Habitant Jun 9 2008, 01:42 AM

QUOTE (morgoth @ Jun 2 2008, 10:28 PM)
You guys seem to forget Toulalan, he's really good and better than Flamini!
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are you sure? i have a french buddy and he says domenech is obsessed with lyon players, toulalan included. he says he's pure crap.

Posted by: dst Jun 9 2008, 01:47 AM

QUOTE (Habitant @ Jun 9 2008, 03:42 AM)
are you sure? i have a french buddy and he says domenech is obsessed with lyon players, toulalan included. he says he's pure crap.
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Toulalan!? No way he's crap!

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 9 2008, 02:15 AM

QUOTE (dst @ Jun 8 2008, 06:47 PM)
Toulalan!? No way he's crap!
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flamini is as good as viera and much better than makelele. Toulalan is not even close to flamini's level. He has poor covering and can often make mistakes similar to kaladze style, but hes in lyon and domenech favors lyon players over other internationls. Flamini imo is much better but in real life ratings they would be near the same since they both haven't really been all that influential as say the likes of gattuso, bommel, yaya toure, etc.

Posted by: morgoth Jun 9 2008, 12:25 PM

QUOTE (Habitant @ Jun 9 2008, 01:42 AM)
are you sure? i have a french buddy and he says domenech is obsessed with lyon players, toulalan included. he says he's pure crap.
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Of course I am. It's true that the French coach favours Lyon players though, but you have to take in account that they've won the championship for the last 7 years and have a lot of French players in the roaster, that have to count for something ...

About Toulalan's performances, right now I believe he's better than Flamini without any doubt, even though I didn't see Flamini play a lot, I can say for sure that Toulalan is playing like that for the last 2/3 years while Flamini had one good season so far, and that counts a lot in my opinion. Toulalan is a Deschamps type of player, you don't see a lot, he's not a spectacular player or has any special gift but he's always in the right place and gets back a lot of balls from the opponent, he's like the Inzaghi of the midfield biggrin.gif

Posted by: dst Jul 16 2008, 08:41 PM

QUOTE
Flamini: I always loved Milan
Wednesday 16 July, 2008



Mathieu Flamini maintains he “always loved Milan and could not turn down such an offer.”

The midfielder rejected a lucrative contract extension at Arsenal so that he could join the Rossoneri on a free transfer.

“I have always loved Milan and been a big fan, so when this opportunity was presented I could not turn down such an offer,” said the Frenchman on Milan Channel.

“On a personal level I would like to win a few trophies. As Adriano Galliani said, a great squad is always full of great champions. Being by their side and fighting for my place can only motivate me to do better.”

General manager Galliani revealed an intriguing background to this transfer, as Flamini was also of interest to Juventus and Barcelona.

“He was a player sought after by all of Europe. He knew it and made me suffer a bit,” smiled the official.

“We had clandestine meetings in Paris, but unlike the other clubs, we didn’t get caught!”

Flamini was one of the star figures at today’s presentation ceremony to begin pre-season training, even though all the attention was on new arrival Ronaldinho.

Instead, the former Gunner represents a more defensive element who will be needed to give the side balance.

“Some have asked me if I feel a little like Marcel Desailly. I consider him a champion and it would be wonderful for me to follow his career, especially with a goal in the European Cup Final,” grinned Flamini.

“My objective is to do well at Milan and maybe one day become part of the French national team, but those decisions are made only by Raymond Domenech.”

http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jul16m.html


How cute!

Well anyway... at least he cares enough to come out with this predictable and fake comment... I like him already! biggrin.gif

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 16 2008, 08:52 PM

QUOTE (dst @ Jul 16 2008, 10:41 PM) *
How cute!



laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 16 2008, 10:36 PM

Forza Flamini

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jul 17 2008, 08:42 AM

Clandestine meetings. We totally rock when it comes to that, don't we!! Eat your heart out Madrid, Inter.

Marca, AS? Pahh...we have Bronzetti!

Posted by: agenth Jul 17 2008, 01:11 PM

lol @ domenech. gosh this guy should be immediately replaced

Posted by: han2503 Jul 17 2008, 01:47 PM

QUOTE
“My objective is to do well at Milan and maybe one day become part of the French national team, but those decisions are made only by Raymond Domenech.”


Yeah right ... rolleyes.gif Like that will ever happen as long as you play for an Italian club and your name is not Vieira rolleyes.gif

Posted by: LaPalma Jul 17 2008, 03:09 PM

I think Mathieu is the best signing we made this summer. He's a modern DM. Strong in defense and also useful in starting attacks.

Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 17 2008, 03:19 PM

^

A very good buy. I mean what more could we ask for? he comes at his peak, young and free.

Posted by: Portikins Jul 17 2008, 04:19 PM

QUOTE (LaPalma @ Jul 17 2008, 03:09 PM) *
I think Mathieu is the best signing we made this summer. He's a modern DM. Strong in defense and also useful in starting attacks.

He'll be a modern benchwarmer so. Good.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jul 17 2008, 06:40 PM

QUOTE (Portikins @ Jul 17 2008, 05:19 PM) *
He'll be a modern benchwarmer so. Good.

If Rino and Pirlo maintain the same level they've shown last season...Flamini could do more then that.

Posted by: Portikins Jul 17 2008, 07:03 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jul 17 2008, 06:40 PM) *
If Rino and Pirlo maintain the same level they've shown last season...Flamini could do more then that.

I agree. Specially Rino.

With Flamini in, I hope we find a new club for Emerson and Brocchi.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Jul 17 2008, 07:12 PM

QUOTE (Portikins @ Jul 17 2008, 07:03 PM) *
I agree. Specially Rino.

With Flamini in, I hope we find a new club for Emerson and Brocchi.

brocchi defintly but gallaini said only simic,abate and paloschi could leave

Posted by: milanista1899 Jul 18 2008, 04:59 AM

QUOTE (Portikins @ Jul 17 2008, 07:03 PM) *
With Flamini in, I hope we find a new club for Emerson and Brocchi.

Not gonna happen, if they go we'd need replacements and I'm sure our (incoming) market is closed. We'd only have Rino, Pirlo, Ambro & Flamini left. If we play with 3 as Carlo likes we'd have the last one on the bench - that'd be our entire midfield apart from Seedorf. I'm certain Abate will leave since he's a left winger. They could go in January but probably not until next summer. We need depth number wise & as it stands we've got it.

Posted by: LaPalma Jul 18 2008, 09:49 AM

QUOTE (Portikins @ Jul 17 2008, 05:19 PM) *
He'll be a modern benchwarmer so. Good.

Not gonna happen IMO. Rino might really be past his prime and Ambro also doesn't have to abilities of Flamini. Pirlo will play of course. We still have no replacement for him.
Of course Brocchi should look for a new club. Unlike Emerson he didn't even show the class Milan needs once in his career.

Posted by: han2503 Jul 18 2008, 10:41 AM

QUOTE (LaPalma @ Jul 18 2008, 08:49 AM) *
Not gonna happen IMO. Rino might really be past his prime and Ambro also doesn't have to abilities of Flamini. Pirlo will play of course. We still have no replacement for him.
Of course Brocchi should look for a new club. Unlike Emerson he didn't even show the class Milan needs once in his career.

Exactly, I don't know in what form Rino will be in when he returns hopefully last season was one that won't repeat itself this season. But I would prefer if it was Ambro that Flamini replaced. Last season he was our most consistant performers but still on most occasions I wanted Carlo to just take him off (which should tell you something about how the others were performing) his constant fouling and bad passes just get on my nerves.

I wouldn't be surprised if our midfield would look something like this in a few months

Flamini/Rino--Pirlo--Seedorf

Flamini being the first choice.

As for Brocchi and Emerson. Emerson has that something extra that Brocchi doesn't have when he managed to play last season he always played good, Brocchi is just there to waste bench space. If we only sold him and kept Simic and Abate I would be happy, Polaschi will probably go on loan but we should keep Abate in case we want to swith to 4-4-2, Zambro on the right wing Abate on the left.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jul 18 2008, 10:56 AM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 18 2008, 11:41 AM) *
Exactly, I don't know in what form Rino will be in when he returns hopefully last season was one that won't repeat itself this season. But I would prefer if it was Ambro that Flamini replaced. Last season he was our most consistant performers but still on most occasions I wanted Carlo to just take him off (which should tell you something about how the others were performing) his constant fouling and bad passes just get on my nerves.

Problem is...last season about every player in our team demonstrated his up's and down's. Just think about Pippo. Even Gilardino did it. One of the few players that played 90% of his matches in down form (not count the ones who are crappy anyway - you know who), and maintained his form even for Italy's Euro campaign. So..I'm very very worried about Rino. His performances were that bad that I dare to ask myself...is he really starting to deteriorate that fast? Him and Seedorf are the most like players to be benched soon after season start, if we don't count Kalac as a starter of course. Seedorf at least shows from time to time he still has it, and now the competition is bigger so he might get a push. Clarence turned lazy and lacks of motivation. Dida aslo had a psychological problem. Only Rino...he seems to be trying really hard, but not succeeding any more. That's why I'm pesimistic about him unsure.gif sad.gif .

Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 18 2008, 10:57 AM

I'm sure Flamini will play an important part for us next season. much more than what Porty assumes. smile.gif he's so full of determination and energy! things we seriously lacked last season.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jul 18 2008, 01:45 PM

wink.gif I saw Rino play for Seedorf's team in the goal4africa game. He owned Schumi...king.gif so I'm not worried.

Seriously though, Milan should think of getting Schumacher. Play him in the Coppa Italias. But damn, the amount of jerseys it would sell. Schumacher wears red for the first time since leaving Ferrari. king.gif Great wing forward really. He could have played football.


Of course freakin Juve won't have any of it.. dry.gif... thanks Elkann.

Posted by: Mp_snake007 Jul 20 2008, 09:26 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jul 18 2008, 12:45 PM) *
wink.gif I saw Rino play for Seedorf's team in the goal4africa game. He owned Schumi...king.gif so I'm not worried.

Seriously though, Milan should think of getting Schumacher. Play him in the Coppa Italias. But damn, the amount of jerseys it would sell. Schumacher wears red for the first time since leaving Ferrari. king.gif Great wing forward really. He could have played football.


biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 28 2008, 12:28 PM

QUOTE
Flamini eyes Milan glory

Monday 28 July, 2008

Mathieu Flamini has already impressed the Milan fans and won’t accept anything less than glory this season.

The French star arrived on a free transfer after his contract with Arsenal expired and he could prove to be one of the signings of the summer.

Flamini was superb on his debut against Serie C side Cremonese and there is a buzz around San Siro after the arrival of Ronaldinho.

“The main objective is to win Serie A,” the 24-year-old told La Gazzetta dello Sport.

“I had no doubts about coming here – it was an easy decision. Arsenal didn’t leave me with the option of staying in London.

“Then Milan contacted me and immediately made me feel important. I never even considered other clubs.

“I play for a club that is amongst the most successful in the world and it is an honour. I want to write my name in the club’s history.”

Flamini concluded by declaring his enthusiasm at the chance to play alongside Ronaldinho.

“I feel an incredible joy when Dinho came and trained with us on the first day,” he said.

“He will give us so much. He is great fun in training and he laughs and enjoys himself.”

http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jul28h.html

All I can say is, Forza Flamini!

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jul 28 2008, 02:31 PM

QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Jul 28 2008, 05:58 PM) *
All I can say is, Forza Flamini!


unsure.gif Take a deep breath and try saying: Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers...slowly...

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 28 2008, 09:44 PM

Flamini's best bits in the Cremonese match http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQtxec6BXwA

Courtesy of Acmilanclub.com

Posted by: dst Jul 28 2008, 10:07 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jul 28 2008, 04:31 PM) *
unsure.gif Take a deep breath and try saying: Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers...slowly...

laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: acid911 Jul 28 2008, 10:28 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jul 28 2008, 06:31 PM) *
Take a deep breath and try saying: Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers...slowly...

*Breathes deep* Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers. Hmm.

Sorry, couldn't resist! wink.gif

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jul 29 2008, 05:57 AM

^^
dry.gif Smartass....think you're so smooth.

You're on.

Bitty bought a bit of butter that butter was a bitter butter so he bought a better butter to make bitter butter a better butter.


Go for it stud... devil.gif

Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 29 2008, 06:39 AM

laugh.gif

Posted by: dst Jul 29 2008, 11:17 AM

Bitty is a boy's name?

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jul 29 2008, 12:12 PM

In some parts of India...don't really have a clue what it means. Make it Betty, if you feel like. Doesn't really make things easier.

Posted by: nuh Jul 29 2008, 02:45 PM

this reminds me look at this funny clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnQvtVKTXys

Posted by: gal_kenny Sep 6 2008, 12:02 AM

Milan's Flamini knows style is the key to success

Flamini full of running

Mathieu Flamini has admitted his style of play is important for the balance of attack-heavy AC Milan.

The midfielder made an impressive Serie A debut along with Ronaldinho and the returning Andriy Shevchenko in the Rossoneri's defeat to Bologna and the 24-year-old was surprised to be informed he had covered 11 kilometers during the match.

He said: "I didn't realise I had run so much. I was tired only because of the heat and was sweating through frustration; dominating the play as we did only to lose at the end. "However, we're headed in the right direction."

Following over a hundred appearances in the English Premier League with Arsenal, the France international opted to leave the English Premier League to test his ability in the tactically astute Italian game, where he admitted each player must fulfill what is asked of him by the coach for the smooth working of the team.

He said: "I'm young and my position as a midfielder requires speed, attention in defence and some ideas to open out the play.

"I know what I have to do and how much I have to run, which is fine by me because in a team each player has his job to do."

After only a few weeks training alongside his new teammates, Flamini is already convinced which import to the Italian top flight stands head and shoulders above the rest.

He said: "Ronaldinho is my favorite. He's someone who can change the match. He is football, he's fun, people love him and above all he knows how to put the forwards in front of goal. Perfect for [AC] Milan."

Foxsoccer.com

Like he said every player has a job to do..But are they actually doing it..Ambrosini for instance..he should have stopped him from firing that ball which led to the goal...And i can see that milan's defensive awareness is low now...Bologna weren't even supposed to go close to milan's goal post...Instead of forcing them backward toward their own goal post we just keep withdrawing and they can even pass through our midfield easily..Jankulovski shouldn't even let the dude cross the ball..We need to be more agressive..yea that's the word..We weren't aggressive watsoever...We need to show that we really want this..Play like its ur last time and that's wat flamini did..He's my fav milan midfielder now...Gattuso was like dat b4 but he's slacking big time...

Posted by: Soldier Sep 6 2008, 01:16 AM

I think the 2nd Goal of Bologna Was a Mixture Of Pure Class and Bad Positioning By Abbiati, Even though the defense shouldn't have let the player shoot in the first place.

Posted by: Giancarlo Sep 6 2008, 01:27 AM

QUOTE (Soldier @ Sep 6 2008, 12:16 AM) *
I think the 2nd Goal of Bologna Was a Mixture Of Pure Class and Bad Positioning By Abbiati, Even though the defense shouldn't have let the player shoot in the first place.


I don't think it was Abbiati's fault at all. In fact, I think it was out of his hands...

Posted by: Tennie Sep 6 2008, 01:28 AM

Nah, the second Bologna goal is in large part thanks to Kaladze. Wasn't Abbiati's fault. At least that's how it looked from my seat.

Posted by: Soldier Sep 6 2008, 01:29 AM

QUOTE (Giancarlo @ Sep 6 2008, 04:27 AM) *
I don't think it was Abbiati's fault at all. In fact, I think it was out of his hands...

Check the Replay.
There was only one side of the Goal That the Player was able to shoot at, yet abbiati stood in the middle, making it impossible for him to clear such shot.

Posted by: Giancarlo Sep 6 2008, 01:36 AM

QUOTE (Soldier @ Sep 6 2008, 12:29 AM) *
Check the Replay.
There was only one side of the Goal That the Player was able to shoot at, yet abbiati stood in the middle, making it impossible for him to clear such shot.


Sorry, but I'll take Tennie's word over the TV. She was there. I have been at games, and later saw these games on television... big difference. Kaladze was at fault, not Abbiati.

It wasn't Abbiati's fault. I've checked the replays enough.

Posted by: Soldier Sep 6 2008, 01:40 AM

I'd Say Double Check Them.biggrin.gif
Really, when the player has only one angle to shoot at, How come it is not the GK fault if he doesn't save it.
Yes the defense should have prevented the shot, but come on GK aren't there posing you know.

Posted by: acid911 Sep 6 2008, 01:50 AM

QUOTE (Soldier @ Sep 6 2008, 05:40 AM) *
Yes the defense should have prevented the shot, but come on GK aren't there posing you know.

Ditto. sad.gif Kaladze was on fault, but that in now way frees Abbiati of the blame. He's the one guarding the goal, for Pete's sake. But still, it was the first official game of the season. Surely he'll improve.

Posted by: Giancarlo Sep 6 2008, 02:08 AM

QUOTE (Soldier @ Sep 6 2008, 12:40 AM) *
I'd Say Double Check Them.biggrin.gif
Really, when the player has only one angle to shoot at, How come it is not the GK fault if he doesn't save it.
Yes the defense should have prevented the shot, but come on GK aren't there posing you know.


I simply cannot agree with that. Are we watching the same game? Abbiati's positioning was just fine, but it was impossible for him to stop that shot.

It isn't his fault because it was impossible to save it!

It was the fault of Kaladze. I thought Abbiati was fine, and I think he's a quality keeper. Who else should we put in the goalie position? Dida?

Posted by: MizNelson Sep 6 2008, 06:33 AM

QUOTE (Giancarlo @ Sep 5 2008, 06:08 PM) *
Who else should we put in the goalie position? Dida?

Yes.

Posted by: Giancarlo Sep 6 2008, 07:03 AM

QUOTE (MizNelson @ Sep 6 2008, 05:33 AM) *
Yes.


And what good would come from that?

Posted by: gal_kenny Sep 6 2008, 07:09 AM

Kaladze was part of the main fault..Instead of him blocking the shot..he sort of protected himself from the ball when the guy shot the ball...A defender is s'posed to dedicate themselves to whatever they to expect..(eg shots, dribbles) Defenders are s'posed to put their whole body to try and stop any sort of shots..And Kaladze didn't do that..Instead,he's protecting his face....So dat he'll go to Georgia and show them the main person that told Berlusconi to stop the war... biggrin.gif

Posted by: zdrossoneri Sep 6 2008, 07:38 AM

QUOTE (gal_kenny @ Sep 6 2008, 10:39 AM) *
Kaladze was part of the main fault..Instead of him blocking the shot..he sort of protected himself from the ball when the guy shot the ball...A defender is s'posed to dedicate themselves to whatever they to expect..(eg shots, dribbles) Defenders are s'posed to put their whole body to try and stop any sort of shots..And Kaladze didn't do that..Instead,he's protecting his face....So dat he'll go to Georgia and show them the main person that told Berlusconi to stop the war... biggrin.gif


+1

Senderos is better than Kala in that aspect. he is fearless.

Posted by: Soldier Sep 6 2008, 08:57 AM

QUOTE (Giancarlo @ Sep 6 2008, 05:08 AM) *
I simply cannot agree with that. Are we watching the same game? Abbiati's positioning was just fine, but it was impossible for him to stop that shot.

It isn't his fault because it was impossible to save it!

It was the fault of Kaladze. I thought Abbiati was fine, and I think he's a quality keeper. Who else should we put in the goalie position? Dida?

Stubborn Lad....I suggest you stop looking at Berlu and Galliani for a while, and start actually looking at the match tongue.gif

Just because Kaladze is on the field, it doesnt mean every single goal we get it is his fault.
Who said i want a replacement for Abbiati?when a player makes a mistake we should talk about it, not let it go....

Posted by: Bluesummers Sep 6 2008, 09:37 AM

QUOTE (Giancarlo @ Sep 6 2008, 12:03 AM) *
And what good would come from that?


he could break the world record for goals scored on him on his near post and thru his legs hahahahaha laugh.gif Galliani shoudl call guiness and ask them to analyse the season ahahhaha.

Posted by: Giancarlo Sep 6 2008, 10:57 AM

QUOTE (Soldier @ Sep 6 2008, 07:57 AM) *
Stubborn Lad....I suggest you stop looking at Berlu and Galliani for a while, and start actually looking at the match tongue.gif

Just because Kaladze is on the field, it doesnt mean every single goal we get it is his fault.
Who said i want a replacement for Abbiati?when a player makes a mistake we should talk about it, not let it go....


I have looked at the match. It was the fault of Kaladze. I don't even think the best goalkeeper could have stopped that goal. Goalkeepers are not superman.

Abbiati did not commit any mistakes. What happened is beyond his control. There is nothing "to let go" here, as it didn't happen that way.

By the way, you suggested I look at Berlusconi and Galliani all the time, have any proof for that or is that another attack on my credibility?

Posted by: amancik Sep 6 2008, 11:19 AM

QUOTE (Giancarlo @ Sep 6 2008, 05:57 PM) *
By the way, you suggested I look at Berlusconi and Galliani all the time, have any proof for that or is that another attack on my credibility?


Relax Giancarlo, no one is attacking anyone.

Posted by: Giancarlo Sep 6 2008, 11:31 AM

QUOTE (amancik @ Sep 6 2008, 11:19 AM) *
Relax Giancarlo, no one is attacking anyone.


Sure they are.

I find it interesting they were saying those things to me.

Obviously we watched two different matches.

Posted by: amancik Sep 6 2008, 11:38 AM

QUOTE (Giancarlo @ Sep 6 2008, 06:31 PM) *
Sure they are.

I find it interesting they were saying those things to me.

Obviously we watched two different matches.


Conflict of opinions can create arguments, but I don't think his message is directed to you but to anyone who is in contrary.

Posted by: Giancarlo Sep 6 2008, 11:41 AM

QUOTE (amancik @ Sep 6 2008, 10:38 AM) *
Conflict of opinions can create arguments, but I don't think his message is directed to you but to anyone who is in contrary.


Well they are responding to my posts... so I see it differently.

Posted by: amancik Sep 6 2008, 11:50 AM

QUOTE (Giancarlo @ Sep 6 2008, 06:41 PM) *
Well they are responding to my posts... so I see it differently.


You're the only who feels that way, Giancarlo.

Anyway, how does Flamini thread become a Milan-Bologna thread, I don't understand.

Back to topic, Flamini was used as full-back against Bologna. He didn't feel too happy about it. I think the sell of Oddo was a poor choice. Flamini must play as a central-midfilder, that's where he's most effective.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 6 2008, 12:00 PM

QUOTE (amancik @ Sep 6 2008, 12:50 PM) *
Back to topic, Flamini was used as full-back against Bologna. He didn't feel too happy about it. I think the sell of Oddo was a poor choice. Flamini must play as a central-midfilder, that's where he's most effective.

Actually I see it differently. He made a "beyond decent job" as fullback. As his signing was announced late last season I always knew Carlo would play him on that position. He's mabe a bit out of practice but he'll find his way. In Marseille he constantly played the fullback and was very good.

Posted by: Giancarlo Sep 6 2008, 12:01 PM

QUOTE (amancik @ Sep 6 2008, 10:50 AM) *
You're the only who feels that way, Giancarlo.

Anyway, how does Flamini thread become a Milan-Bologna thread, I don't understand.

Back to topic, Flamini was used as full-back against Bologna. He didn't feel too happy about it. I think the sell of Oddo was a poor choice. Flamini must play as a central-midfilder, that's where he's most effective.


I'm sure he won't be used as a full back. I think the only reason he was, was because of pressure to play Shevchenko. I would have put Shevchenko on late in the second half.

Posted by: amancik Sep 6 2008, 02:44 PM

Flamini played good as a full-back, but I think Flamini should be used as defensive mid as he is replacing Gattuso. I would like him to be the aggressive type, you know sliding tackles, man-marking, defending corners.

I feel if Jankulovski is injured, we should replace him with Antonini instead of switching Zambrotta to the left.

Posted by: gal_kenny Sep 6 2008, 04:52 PM

QUOTE (Soldier @ Sep 6 2008, 08:57 AM) *
Just because Kaladze is on the field, it doesnt mean every single goal we get it is his fault.


Most of them are his fault..I don't think i've seen or heard them saying they scored because it was Nesta's fault or bonera's fault..Kaladze caused the first goal even...He let the guy cut inside him...I don't really think Kaladze's a good center defender...really...

Posted by: gal_kenny Sep 6 2008, 04:55 PM

QUOTE (amancik @ Sep 6 2008, 02:44 PM) *
Flamini played good as a full-back, but I think Flamini should be used as defensive mid as he is replacing Gattuso. I would like him to be the aggressive type, you know sliding tackles, man-marking, defending corners.

I feel if Jankulovski is injured, we should replace him with Antonini instead of switching Zambrotta to the left.


If Jankulovski isn't defending properly, zambrotta could take that position and flamini be pushed to right back..But i'm totally and foreverly against that..Flamini is needed in the midfield area big time..He's hard working machine that isin't afraid to make a tackle and we need people like that with that kind of confidence...Flamini as a midfielder works perfectly for me

Posted by: Giancarlo Sep 6 2008, 06:54 PM

I sure hope Jankulovski is fine... he's one of my favorite players and he finally was starting to look good once again... after being absent most of last season. His long drives are needed too.

Posted by: acid911 Sep 7 2008, 08:36 AM

Relax guys, Janku will do fine this season. smile.gif I've got a very good feeling about this.

Posted by: Giancarlo Sep 7 2008, 08:37 AM

QUOTE (acid911 @ Sep 7 2008, 08:36 AM) *
Relax guys, Janku will do fine this season. smile.gif I've got a very good feeling about this.


Yeah but why was he pulled out of the game for? I heard it was a physical issue, but I'm not sure... we gain a lot of depth from him... and I really want to see him in good shape.

Posted by: KillerMax Sep 24 2008, 05:16 PM

Flamini: What crisis?

QUOTE
Mathieu Flamini claims that Milan's problems were blown out of proportion but admits that the Rossoneri must win the Derby della Maddonina.

The Diavolo were left in the blocks at the start of the season after defeats against Bologna and Genoa.

But Carlo Ancelotti's men bounced back with the thrashing of Lazio last Sunday and an air of positivity has returned.

“There was never a crisis,” Flamini insisted in Il Giorno.

“Of course when you play for a great team like Milan you are expected to win consistently.

“Now we must carry on down this road by securing a win this evening.”


Milan have made the long trip to Reggio Calabria to face Reggina tonight but the weekend's derby is large on the horizon.

“The derby is a very important game,” Flamini said. “We will do everything to win, just as we will against Reggina.

“It will be interesting to take on Jose Mourinho's team. He is a great Coach and he has proved that over the last few years.

“From what I see in the newspapers he hasn't changed. He is always the same and he has a unique character that sets him apart from the others.”


Football Italia

Posted by: KillerMax Sep 24 2008, 05:17 PM

If he was here last year, he wouldn't have said this...

Posted by: KillerMax Oct 20 2008, 07:18 PM

He has not been on par with his early performances this season. Apparently he had a minor injury which he recovered from. We need him to get back to his attacker-slaying best.

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Nov 19 2008, 10:04 PM

QUOTE
Flamini: Milan Better Than Arsenal
AC Milan midfielder Mathieu Flamini has admitted that he has settled down well at the club, insisting that his potential move to Juventus was just paper talk. The Frenchman also believes Milan have better players than former club Arsenal...

The former Arsenal man arrived on a free transfer from North London during the transfer window and he has been impressive so far.

Mathieu Flamini is enjoying his time with Milan and believes he can achieve good results this term as he looks to learn from the best.

"I settled down straight away when I arrived here and it was nice to see Philippe Senderos, who I already knew from Arsenal," Flamini told Calcio 2000. "I also became friends with Ronaldinho, as he speaks French.

"It's different here at Milan. At Arsenal everyone was really young. Here there are better players and I can learn more things...it's fantastic to play alongside three Golden Ball winners."

The midfielder also denied rumours suggesting that he was on the verge of joining Juventus.

"A lot of journalists had written that I was close to Juve, but there was never anything concrete. I recieved offers from several big clubs from Spain, but I just couldn't refuse Milan," added the player.

Il Diavolo are flying high this term and are just a point behind league leaders Inter following the controversial 1-0 win over Chievo Verona.


http://www.goal.com/en/news/1708/ac-milan/2008/11/17/968708/flamini-milan-better-than-arsenal

Posted by: acid911 Nov 20 2008, 06:02 AM

Stop stating the obvious, Flame. innocent.gif More work, less talk, bunny boy!

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 1 2009, 08:32 PM

QUOTE
27/01/2009 14:59

Calcio Debate: What Has Happened To Mathieu Flamini At Milan?

A match made in Heaven is descending into Hell for the Frenchman - why has he failed, and can he yet redeem himself?

Milan are finally beginning to look like a real team again. A golden era was forged at the turn of the millennium under the guidance of Carlo Ancelotti, but what many people forget is the plight that plagued the club in the years prior to that and how close the Rossoneri have been to a regression in the past two years.

Another refusal to age gracefully and limp wrist replacing iron fist in the transfer market has already damned the Diavoli to an under-the-table affair with the ugly kid-sister that is the UEFA Cup, having been dumped by the Champions League in the most humiliating fashion last season.

They finished fifth - that, after being given a number of lifelines by Fiorentina - and to boot, they were knocked out of the Champions League in just the second round by Arsenal. Cesc Fabregas may have scored the crucial goal late on, but it was gift-wrapped by the hapless Zeljko Kalac. Emmanuel Adebayor may have added a second when the tie was dead-and-buried, but it was Mathieu Flamini who established himself as one of Europe's top midfielders at that moment in time, 11 months ago, shackling €120 million man Kaka and completely shutting down Milan's midfield. He made an ageing 'Rino Gattuso look like Emerson, the man who transcends age itself.

The bosses in Via Turati liked Flamini so much they had to take him. It was a signing lamented by Gunners manager Arsene Wenger, whose unrelenting, recession-busting approach to wage structuring allowed his revelation of the season to leave for free to one of Europe's big boys.

Contrary to popular belief, it was not just the cash that lured the man now infamously nicknamed 'Fla-money' to the fashion capital, but also the opportunity to play in a league of which he is extremely fond, a country of his ancestry; and what a capture it could have been for Milan: Flamini was ranked second in Goal.com's top 20 transfers of the summer, but it has all since been modest anonymity for the all-action midfielder.

The French international has started just nine of Milan's 20 Serie A games along with five fleeting substitute appearances, most of which were during the Rossoneri's rocky start to the season. But now, brimming with confidence as they are, Mathieu is stuck making conversation with Giuseppe Favalli on the bench to ease the pain of perpetual rejection.

Gattuso will miss the rest of the season recovering from an operation and Milan have been linked with replacements all through this January transfer window. It's just demeaning. Flamini, surely, is the replacement. Was he not bought to succeed Gattuso, having outplayed him and his team over two legs, earning the nickname 'Mattuso' in the process? Ancelotti's old favourite, Massimo Ambrosini, continues to get the nod in the absence of Ringhio and sometimes, in a complete reversal of his recent philosophy, Carletto has even put out Galactico line-ups sans a ball-winner in the middle of the park. Insanity.

The arrival of David Beckham has inspired Milanello, as has Kaka's decision (or Silvio Berlusconi's masterstroke) to stay at the club. Their confidence is sky-high and the football, as was evident in the 4-1 thrashing of Bologna, is back. Maybe it's time to give Flamini an extended run in the team - he can surely do better than Ambrosini - or is Ancelotti seeing something that we have all missed? Maybe the former Marseille man is not made for the Italian game? But why wouldn't he be?

The very idea that players such as Marc Overmars, Thierry Henry and Patrick Vieira who dare 'betray' Arsenal for the glitterati of continental football are doomed to failure is just absurd - there is something more going on here. Flamini's value cannot be underestimated nor his decision to leave so vehemently criticised - it was and remains a golden opportunity to go on to bigger and better things. He is still just 24 years of age, and having been signed on a free transfer, has a lot to offer this Milan side in transition.

He fits the mould of an inspired Beckham, of a re-energised Kaka and an emerging Pato. The plodding of Andrea Pirlo, a still-inconsistent Ronaldinho and an average Ambrosini are fast becoming denizens of the periphery and this should not be feared, but embraced amongst the likes of Ancelotti and his superiors. Sending Flamini the way of countryman Yoann Gourcuff could be a move they live to regret like no other.

It is too soon to label Flamini a flop and without question it would be a mistake to dip into the transfer market to snap up another central midfielder as some kind of replacement. It cannot be forgotten that even if matters don't work out for him in the middle, this is a player who made his initial breakthrough at Arsenal as a stand-in left-back in the side that scraped its way to the 2006 Champions League final off the back of defensive solidity - and Milan is a team in need of some more energy coming from the wide areas and assuredness at the back, after all.

His start has been nothing short of a shame, but Mathieu Flamini still has so much to offer the Rossoneri. It would be their failing, not his, if he is unable to emerge and prove wrong the critics he has been carrying on his back since leaving Arsenal. The move still has all the ingredients for further success, Milan just have to let it happen.

Sulmaan Ahmad, Goal.com

Posted by: dst Feb 4 2009, 04:13 PM

He has not been a flop so far. Surely he has not amazed but overall I think he has been decent. We expect much more from him though and I believe he is able to make it...

I heart Flattuso! happy.gif

Posted by: acid911 Feb 4 2009, 05:44 PM

Agree cent per cent with the article. cool.gif Thanks for sharing, Sim!

Posted by: Zed.D Mar 7 2009, 02:10 PM

QUOTE
HAPPY BIRTHDAY MATHIEU FLAMINI!

3/7/2009

MILAN - Important celebration today at Milan for the Rossoneri's player Mathieu Flamini who celebrates his 25th birthday. Best wishes from all of A.C. Milan and all Rossoneri fans.


Happy birthday, Mathieu! hope you stay here for many years and prove your worth. devil.gif

Posted by: dst Mar 7 2009, 02:56 PM

Happy Birthday! Really like him!!

And he's the perfect signing. We signed him at the perfect age and time, when he had some experience but at the same time could still "develop into Milan" and when our DMF's are starting to get old.
Wish we'd made more such signings.

Posted by: Tennie Mar 7 2009, 03:39 PM

Fishdoll offers Flamini a birthday cookie. smile.gif Rather like him and it's nice to see him adapting to the style of play in Serie A. Think he'll do well for Milan in the long run.

Posted by: Zed.D Apr 23 2009, 08:02 PM

QUOTE
I Want To Win The Champions League With Milan - Mathieu Flamini

The former Arsenal man is gearing up for next term as he eyes the big time with the Rossoneri...

Milan midfielder Mathieu Flamini is already looking ahead to next season as reveals his ambition to win the Champions League.

The Rossoneri are joint second with Juventus in Serie A and they seem set to qualify for Europe's top-club competition. Flamini joined the club from Arsenal last summer and he is loving life with the club he supported as a boy.

Having enjoyed an impressive term, the Frenchman is eyeing greater things next season as he looks onwards and upwards.

"I always supported Milan when I was young, and so playing for this club is very special for me," Flamini told the BBC.

"Coming to Milan was very important for me and I am happy both as a player and as a person.

"My objectives are simple, I want to win the Champions League. I came here because Milan are used to winning it often and I hope this continues.

"I also want to win the Scudetto and become one of Milan's most important players."

The Rossoneri clash with Palermo at the San Siro this Sunday as they try to take second place outright from Juventus.

Salvatore Landolina, Goal.com


You will devilsmiley.gif

Posted by: dst Apr 24 2009, 10:37 AM

Why do they have to say they supported the team they're playing for when they were young?

We like you anyway Mat!! cool.gif

Posted by: Rivaldo May 1 2009, 09:09 AM

It seems to me Flam in defence - good idea. When Rinho comes back and Ambro have armband...in midfield will not be free space for Flam.

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl May 14 2009, 06:16 AM

QUOTE (Rivaldo @ May 1 2009, 04:09 AM) *
It seems to me Flam in defence - good idea. When Rinho comes back and Ambro have armband...in midfield will not be free space for Flam.

i expect torture and sclding for this next comment but, IMO i would put Flam over both those players,not that he i better then both, but for the very small drop off (IMO) in skill we are fielding a guy 6-8 years younger that will stay with this team for a long time and he will develop into the next Rino

Posted by: rip Jul 12 2009, 05:22 AM

QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ May 14 2009, 05:16 AM) *
i expect torture and sclding for this next comment but, IMO i would put Flam over both those players,not that he i better then both, but for the very small drop off (IMO) in skill we are fielding a guy 6-8 years younger that will stay with this team for a long time and he will develop into the next Rino


I would prefer Flamini over both players, as he is better than both of them.

This season i hope he is considered a first team player, although it is unlikely cos Ambro is our caption now.

Posted by: 6Best Jul 12 2009, 10:04 AM

Why do so many good players who deserve to be in the 1st 11 sit on the bench at Milan ? I hope this changes next season with the major changes which have taken place .

Posted by: han2503 Jul 12 2009, 10:19 AM

QUOTE (6Best @ Jul 12 2009, 10:04 AM) *
Why do so many good players who deserve to be in the 1st 11 sit on the bench at Milan ? I hope this changes next season with the major changes which have taken place .

1 very simple Answer: Carlo Ancelotti.

I'm hoping Leo changes this next season.

Posted by: Bluesummers Oct 9 2009, 07:29 AM

QUOTE
Mathieu Flamini: Milan Have A Lot Of Quality

Milan midfielder Mathieu Flamini expressed his desire to be an important element of his team, both in the present and especially in the future.

Flamini says he believes in the qualities of the Rossoneri and is certain that things will get better for them soon.

"I have a lot of confidence, this team has a lot of quality so I'm sure that in the next games things will go better," explained the French player to Studio Sport.

"It's not just the public who don't enjoy themselves, even we feel bad when we don't win. However, it is important to work, only that way we can invert the tendency.

"A coach once said that confidence is achieved with work. I feel ready to become one of the leaders of this Milan side of the future.

"I'm here, and I want to become one of the greatest players of this team."

Milan are currently joint in 10th place along with Palermo and Lazio, thanks to the nine points they've collected so far from seven league games played.



hahahahaha laugh.gif

Yeah right, dont' make me laugh. We are just oozing quality laugh.gif


You are rubbish along with the rest of silvio's circus.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 9 2009, 06:02 PM

I don't think we're as good as Silvio and some of the players think we are, but I also think we're better than alot on here give us credit for (including me).

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Oct 9 2009, 06:12 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Oct 9 2009, 01:02 PM) *
I don't think we're as good as Silvio and some of the players think we are, but I also think we're better than alot on here give us credit for (including me).

agreed we have some very good assets and then we have Ambro as captain....

Posted by: dst Oct 9 2009, 06:37 PM

We surely are not as bad as we've played recently. We do have a lot of quality but it does not matter if we have no will, passion or determination...

I "heart" Flamini, he's the only DMF that's actually been trying even if he too has not had a good start.

Posted by: Zed.D Mar 7 2010, 12:59 PM

Happy Birthday, Mathieu!

Posted by: han2503 Mar 7 2010, 03:33 PM

Happy BDay!!

Posted by: Dracoris Jul 31 2010, 08:17 PM

Great game from him today. If he comes good this year, we might have the box to box that we need. Keep it up.

Shoot, if he fulfills the potential that he was supposed to have, it'll be like a new signing.


Posted by: m1ke Jul 31 2010, 08:36 PM

QUOTE (Dracoris @ Jul 31 2010, 07:17 PM) *
it'll be like a new signing.

Galliani under cover ohmy.gif

Posted by: X-Offender Jul 31 2010, 09:11 PM

biggrin.gif

Posted by: han2503 Jul 31 2010, 09:17 PM

laugh.gif

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Aug 10 2010, 11:25 PM

he has played great all pre-season hopefully this year he will get half the games rino gets dry.gif

Posted by: William405 Nov 8 2010, 06:14 PM

http://www.football-italia.net/nov08tow.html

He's in the team of the week 10,ironically the first week he started a full match.You think allegri tracks football-italia,cause they've(flamini) acknowledged his great work.

Posted by: Ry4n Nov 9 2010, 03:37 AM

QUOTE (William405 @ Nov 8 2010, 09:14 PM) *
http://www.football-italia.net/nov08tow.html

He's in the team of the week 10,ironically the first week he started a full match.You think allegri tracks football-italia,cause they've(flamini) acknowledged his great work.

When Ambrosini retires Flamini will take his place as MC support but he should be given more playing time wink.gif

Posted by: Jack Bauer Nov 9 2010, 11:35 AM

QUOTE (Ry4n @ Nov 9 2010, 05:37 AM) *
When Ambrosini retires Flamini will take his place as MC support but he should be given more playing time wink.gif

If he has the patience to wait that long. There's a feeling that no matter how good you are playing, the old guard still will be preferred. I won't be surprised if he's gonna leave in the summer.

Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Feb 15 2011, 11:07 PM

Everyone will go on about Gattuso from tonights game (Spurs CL). Though this guys tackle was horrendous, there is no place for that in football. Want to do that f*** off back to Arsenal with Fabregas & co.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 15 2011, 11:20 PM

I really don't get what people see in this guy. He's a yellow card magnet, always on the verge of a brutal challange, avoids ball contacts and mostly plays under the radar. I gave him tons of chances, but the guy never really showed up.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Feb 15 2011, 11:22 PM

I'd be a hypocrite if I said it shouldn't have been a red card. It's pretty much the same as what Makoun got sent off for, for Villa, at the weekend. There really is no place for it in football, you could end someones career and ruin their life by doing something so wreckless. Corluka was very lucky. He then made another foul later in the game was Spurs had a break which he should have got a 2nd yellow for.

Posted by: Boban10 Feb 16 2011, 12:36 AM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 15 2011, 10:20 PM) *
I really don't get what people see in this guy. He's a yellow card magnet, always on the verge of a brutal challange, avoids ball contacts and mostly plays under the radar. I gave him tons of chances, but the guy never really showed up.


Yeah i am done with Flamini to, i love his energy and commitment but tonight along with Rino they both went too far and are just a liability to the team.....

Strasser and Merkel please!

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Feb 16 2011, 01:23 AM

QUOTE
Tuesday 15 February, 2011
Flamini: 'I apologised to Corluka'

Mathieu Flamini reveals he “went to the Tottenham locker room to apologise” to Vedran Corluka.
The Milan midfielder was fortunate not to be sent off for that two-footed tackle that forced Corluka off on a stretcher in the 1-0 home defeat.

“I went to the Tottenham locker room to check on Corluka’s condition and to apologise,” ex-Arsenal man Flamini told Sky Sport Italia.

“It’s a shame about the defeat, as we played a good second half. Now we’ll have to go to London and win the game.

“We can win on our travels and created scoring opportunities tonight. In the first half we were too sluggish when pressing, but after the break we deserved a victory.”


Link: http://football-italia.net/feb15z.html




QUOTE
Tuesday 15 February, 2011
Redknapp: 'Flamini is a disgrace'

Harry Redknapp felt it was “a great night for Spurs” at San Siro, but blasted Mathieu Flamini. “It’s an absolute disgrace.”
Tottenham came away from Milan with a 1-0 victory in the first leg of the Champions League Round of 16 tie.

“I said at half time we had to keep giving the ball to Aaron Lennon because he really had the beating of the left back all day,” the manager told Sky Sports 2.

“We had to keep trying to get him on the ball as much as possible, but the back four stood firm.

“The whole team were magnificent, every one of them did their jobs tonight. You hear the crowd singing - it's a great night for them, it's a great night for Tottenham.”

There was controversy, though, as Flamini was only booked for a two-footed tackle that forced Vedran Corluka off on a stretcher.

“That's a red card all day - how do you not get a red card for that? It's an absolute disgrace - they should look at that surely and they should do something about that. That is a dangerous, dangerous tackle.

“Obviously I lost Corluka and took a gamble really bringing Jonathan Woodgate on but I just felt his experience would be vital, it was a case of knowing where to be at the right time and I felt that Jonathan could give us that.”


Link: http://football-italia.net/feb15aa.html

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 16 2011, 01:40 AM

Oh, so someone makes a harsh tackle and is suddenly the black sheep? Flamini's performance was on par with the others. Just because he made some foul doesn't mean he's a disgrace . This is football, rough interventions are part of it.

Posted by: arivanjj Feb 16 2011, 01:56 AM

i think flamini might've been fired up for the tackle cause just seconds eariler ibra was brought down n foul was not given.

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Feb 16 2011, 01:58 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 15 2011, 08:40 PM) *
Oh, so someone makes a harsh tackle and is suddenly the black sheep? Flamini's performance was on par with the others. Just because he made some foul doesn't mean he's a disgrace . This is football, rough interventions are part of it.

+1

QUOTE (arivanjj @ Feb 15 2011, 08:56 PM) *
i think flamini might've been fired up for the tackle cause just seconds eariler ibra was brought down n foul was not given.

+1

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 16 2011, 01:59 AM

No, to me it has nothing to do with the foul. It has to do with the thing that other then collecting yellow cards, I really don't see what he's capable of doing consistent. His form has it's up, but is mostly down. He has no dynamic movement, he makes no meaningfull runs, his shooting is fair...I really don't see the potential in this guy anymore.

Posted by: arivanjj Feb 16 2011, 02:02 AM

i disagree there. with a couple of decent supporting midfielders he'd get spaces in opposin teams wide open but when u have gattuso and seedorf having their heads up their a****, its hard to hold it together.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 16 2011, 02:10 AM

I don't know. Maybe with Pirlo he'd look better. But I think we're making this look like a science, while in fact the guy hasn't been that good with anyone in our team consistently.

Posted by: dst Feb 16 2011, 02:13 AM

the problem with players like Flamini and Gattuso, even Ambrosini though he's more of a footballer compared to those two, is that they can only be good when there's others next to them that are technically gifted - they do the running and the others do the playmaking. Flamini or Gattuso next to Pirlo is OK... it's like butter and honey... Flamini next to Gattuso is butter and butter... what the hell are you gonna do with it?

Posted by: dst Feb 16 2011, 02:15 AM

The sad thing is, with players like Flamini and Gattuso it seems like football has returned to the 80's in terms of skill. Hopefully the next decade will be more like the 90's too!

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 16 2011, 02:18 AM

QUOTE (dst @ Feb 16 2011, 02:15 AM) *
The sad thing is, with players like Flamini and Gattuso it seems like football has returned to the 80's in terms of skill. Hopefully the next decade will be more like the 90's too!

Yep, I know that...just that...in Rino, I see it. I saw it when he was at his best, and I see it now, even if fading. He is on fire, he has a heart, he fights, kicks (obviously), gives and takes,...

While looking at Flamini, most people wonder...did he even play? Who's the guy? Did Milan recently sign him?

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 16 2011, 02:36 AM

QUOTE (dst @ Feb 16 2011, 03:13 AM) *
the problem with players like Flamini and Gattuso, even Ambrosini though he's more of a footballer compared to those two, is that they can only be good when there's others next to them that are technically gifted - they do the running and the others do the playmaking. Flamini or Gattuso next to Pirlo is OK... it's like butter and honey... Flamini next to Gattuso is butter and butter... what the hell are you gonna do with it?


Pretty much. Flamini shined at Arsenal because he played next to Fabregas. He won the balls and Fabregas played them. But at Milan he's being utilized as a box-to-box, which is not in his nature. He should just play in front of the defense next to a playmaker, Pirlo in our case. That's when we'll see the best of him. This is how we should opt for next season, with Boateng being the box-to-box midfielder and Ganso (supposing we've signed him) as the trequarista. It's the most ideal midfield you could think about.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 16 2011, 03:05 AM

That is, if Pirlo stays. And if Ganso will be up to it. I don't like how everyone takes him as a solution to our AM problem for granted. Yes, he's a talent, and he's good in Brazil, but he's a hell of a lot to prove once he joins us.

And secondly, I'm still not convinced Flamini has it in him. He really shined at Arsenal, but nowdays I'm compelled to say he should maybe move on.

Posted by: KillerMax Feb 16 2011, 07:52 AM

I agree with Fillipo.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Feb 16 2011, 10:44 AM

Idiot. dry.gif

The Flattuso and Gattuso show really gave an ugly picture of Milan on the telly last night.

Posted by: acid911 Feb 16 2011, 11:36 AM

True. sad.gif Two-footed tackles have no place in this game, anywhere, anytime. My $0.02 is that he should have gotten an red. Would have been fair justice. Maybe he got worked up because of the Ibra foul a few second back (like Ari said), but that is no excuse.

Posted by: han2503 Feb 16 2011, 03:32 PM

Agree with dst and x-off. To expect Flamini to suddenly start driving our midfield and creating stuff is ridiculous, yes he wasn't good yesterday, but who was, and what do you expect when he was basically made to play within a 10cm radius during the first half.

Flamini has been misused, and I don't get this flying under the radar talk Filippo, he gets involved and suddenly he's too over the top, he chooses to play a more sadate game and he's trying to take himself out of the game, He just cannot win with some people, who have in all honesty never given him a chance at Milan from the moment he came from Arsenal.

Flamini before he got injured was one of our best performers his season, yes he made an terrible tackle yesterday but to say he should be out because of that is ridiculous, we've seen players from our team before make bad tackles before namely Ambrosini, Zlatan and Rino.

Flamini and Gattuso along with Thiago was never a midfield that was going to work together, you've got all the distructive quality you want but nothing else, how do you really expect any one of those players to shine and link up our play? Maybe the blame for that performance should be going to the rightful part, which is Allegri. Like dst said, it's butter with butter do you really expect to make a decent sandwich out of that?

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 16 2011, 03:47 PM

Well I don't get your opinion either. Flamini played more then 60 matches for Milan, and I can count you on my fingers how many of them were actually something good. All our DM make more superb or great matches pro season.

He's younger (although soon to be 27), granted. He's been left out, granted. But I don't see the spark in this guy. He's actually doing nothing. Rino runs like a madman, and that costed us yesterday, but it saved our butt more then once. Ambro can do defending and can score, he's up there fighting and he's a real footballer. What has Flamini done to desreve your infinitive patience and trust han? Was he so good 4 years ago that he still has credit?

You speak as if he played such a big role this season before his injury. Well yes, he was great in a few occasions, but that's about it. Yes, he was better then Rino or Ambro, but hey, the injured and washed-out senators are hardly competition.

It's not that I expect him to make tons of assists and play like a allrounder or something; tell me is he in his own department really that good? Is he a real destructive DM?

Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Feb 16 2011, 03:55 PM

Flamini has always really played at this level, I've never expected that much from him. He used to be a player that Arsenal fans disliked and thought was a liability apart from one season where he was arguably their best player, which in the end was his final season for the club.

Posted by: Zed.D Feb 16 2011, 04:02 PM

Seems like I'm the only one here but I think Flamini played OK last night (aside from that horrendous challenge and some unnecessary fouls).

Posted by: han2503 Feb 16 2011, 04:03 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 16 2011, 03:47 PM) *
Well I don't get your opinion either. Flamini played more then 60 matches for Milan, and I can count you on my fingers how many of them were actually something good. All our DM make more superb or great matches pro season.

He's younger (although soon to be 27), granted. He's been left out, granted. But I don't see the spark in this guy. He's actually doing nothing. Rino runs like a madman, and that costed us yesterday, but it saved our butt more then once. Ambro can do defending and can score, he's up there fighting and he's a real footballer. What has Flamini done to desreve your infinitive patience and trust han? Was he so good 4 years ago that he still has credit?

You speak as if he played such a big role this season before his injury. Well yes, he was great in a few occasions, but that's about it. Yes, he was better then Rino or Ambro, but hey, the injured and washed-out senators are hardly competition.

It's not that I expect him to make tons of assists and play like a allrounder or something; tell me is he in his own department really that good? Is he a real destructive DM?

Why don't you just say that you don't like him and never really wanted him at Miln and sav ourselves the time it would take for me to try to point out reasons of why I believe he's good, andyou countering it with why you believe he's bad, when the real crux of the matter is that you just never were really a fan or even tolerated him

Posted by: dst Feb 16 2011, 04:04 PM

He was disliked because Wenger used him at LB and he was always going to be useless there with the limited skills he has. They sure loved him in his last season there.

I think his style is more suited to the EPL, he does not seem to have adapted to the tactical approach of Serie A. He was amazing that night at San Siro against us though and that's probably what convinced the management to get him.

Posted by: han2503 Feb 16 2011, 04:05 PM

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Feb 16 2011, 04:02 PM) *
Seems like I'm the only one here but I think Flamini played OK last night (aside from that horrendous challenge and some unnecessary fouls).

Let's just say he wasn't part of the group that contained out bad performers. Flamini is someone who really get criticized a lot

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 16 2011, 04:13 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 16 2011, 04:03 PM) *
Why don't you just say that you don't like him and never really wanted him at Miln and sav ourselves the time it would take for me to try to point out reasons of why I believe he's good, andyou countering it with why you believe he's bad, when the real crux of the matter is that you just never were really a fan or even tolerated him


Why? Because it would be a lie! I liked Flamini very much and never had a predetermined judgment on him. Why play so personal now? I really don't think you're able to say what you did in your last sentence!

I only dislike when people put too much hype around someone. That's why I was very cautious with him, after I saw Domenech, Ancelotti, Leonardo and finally Blanc and Allegri passed by him.

I'd be as much happy as if Pippo would come back and score tons of goals if Flamini would finally return into his Arsenal form. But hey, 4 years passed, and I think if he was that kind of a big talent, he would have shown his skill, even against all other odds (injuries, coaches,...).

Sorry if I wasted your time once more.

Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Feb 16 2011, 04:36 PM

QUOTE (dst @ Feb 16 2011, 03:04 PM) *
He was disliked because Wenger used him at LB and he was always going to be useless there with the limited skills he has. They sure loved him in his last season there.

Only when they had that mad spell of injuries, think that was his first season. Think he even played right-back at one point in that season!

His problem was Wenger didn't use him regularly, he was always one of those players who'd sit on the bench and come on at like the 70th minute. He excelled in his final season when he got the nod and got regular football.

Unfortunately he doesn't get that at Milan and I think he's a player who thrives on the pressure of being a first-teamer as oppose to one putting up a major challenge for the first-team spot, at least that's what happened at Arsenal.

Posted by: han2503 Feb 16 2011, 06:06 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 16 2011, 04:13 PM) *
Why? Because it would be a lie! I liked Flamini very much and never had a predetermined judgment on him. Why play so personal now? I really don't think you're able to say what you did in your last sentence!

I only dislike when people put too much hype around someone. That's why I was very cautious with him, after I saw Domenech, Ancelotti, Leonardo and finally Blanc and Allegri passed by him.

I'd be as much happy as if Pippo would come back and score tons of goals if Flamini would finally return into his Arsenal form. But hey, 4 years passed, and I think if he was that kind of a big talent, he would have shown his skill, even against all other odds (injuries, coaches,...).

Sorry if I wasted your time once more.

Sorry if you got offended by that but I just had to say it because I know how this will go, we'll go back and forth when we both know that (I won't say like) I trust the player, while you don't trust him over others.

Alo mentioning Carlo and Domenech in that sentence is a flawed argument, Domenech had an agenda against players who played in Italy, it's why Mexes rarely got a call under him as well. Carlo loved the old gaurd of Rino and Ambro and would have never benched either of them for the new comer. Leo usually used 1 DM and last season Ambro was not someone he would have benched because he was in probably the best form of his career. When he needed another DM on Flamini was the one on. Allegri has played Flamini when he's fit most of the time, I wouldn't say that he's passed him by.

Again sorry if I offended you, I usually get the same stick when I don't kiss Ambo's @ss, because I never really liked him as a player or rated him so it seems like my argument isn't even valid, and when you talk about Flamini it just seems that way as well

Posted by: anano1214 Feb 16 2011, 06:26 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 16 2011, 01:40 AM) *
Oh, so someone makes a harsh tackle and is suddenly the black sheep? Flamini's performance was on par with the others. Just because he made some foul doesn't mean he's a disgrace . This is football, rough interventions are part of it.


+1

QUOTE (arivanjj @ Feb 16 2011, 01:56 AM) *
i think flamini might've been fired up for the tackle cause just seconds eariler ibra was brought down n foul was not given.



+1

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 16 2011, 07:41 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 16 2011, 06:06 PM) *
Sorry if you got offended by that but I just had to say it because I know how this will go, we'll go back and forth when we both know that (I won't say like) I trust the player, while you don't trust him over others.

Alo mentioning Carlo and Domenech in that sentence is a flawed argument, Domenech had an agenda against players who played in Italy, it's why Mexes rarely got a call under him as well. Carlo loved the old gaurd of Rino and Ambro and would have never benched either of them for the new comer. Leo usually used 1 DM and last season Ambro was not someone he would have benched because he was in probably the best form of his career. When he needed another DM on Flamini was the one on. Allegri has played Flamini when he's fit most of the time, I wouldn't say that he's passed him by.

Again sorry if I offended you, I usually get the same stick when I don't kiss Ambo's @ss, because I never really liked him as a player or rated him so it seems like my argument isn't even valid, and when you talk about Flamini it just seems that way as well

Yes, I get it. Thing is, I get irritated by him, because IMO he's simply doing to much and ends up either invisible or yellow carded. I agree with most of the things @Milan is brilliant said, but I hope it still can change. Just that I belive this year is his last chances. Ambro and Rino's careers slightly fade and he's made better performances this season, but overall, if we want to establish a winning team and if Flamini doesn't show up consistently, we should get a proper italian DM, Serie A has plenty of them who are quality.

No harm done, everything okay smile.gif

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 16 2011, 10:21 PM

I've seen Fillippo criticize players like Flamini, Boateng and Robinho this season, and at the same time praise corpses like Oddo, Gattuso and Ambrosini. Sorry man, I have nothing against you, but I think most of the time it's just your feelings talking.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 16 2011, 10:30 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 16 2011, 10:21 PM) *
I've seen Fillippo criticize players like Flamini, Boateng and Robinho this season, and at the same time praise corpses like Oddo, Gattuso and Ambrosini. Sorry man, I have nothing against you, but I think most of the time it's just your feelings talking.

Well, football is mostly feelings. Sorry, don't tell me it's a science or I'll... puke.gif instantly.
I think you all get me wrong, my criticism is mostly because I want to put some light on the other side of the medail. And there's always one. According to some here, Ambro, Rino or Oddo are obsolete and old and therefore useless, while Boateng, Flamini or Abate should be put on a pedestal and celebrated because of their youth. Well, I don't think it's that simple.

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 16 2011, 11:13 PM

Well, that's mostly because Abate, Flamini and Boateng are in fact better than Oddo, Gattuso and Ambrosini nowadays. I know you'll disagree, but I'm sure most of us will concur about that.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 16 2011, 11:24 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 16 2011, 11:13 PM) *
Well, that's mostly because Abate, Flamini and Boateng are in fact better than Oddo, Gattuso and Ambrosini nowadays. I know you'll disagree, but I'm sure most of us will concur about that.

Let's have it your way...

Posted by: dst Feb 16 2011, 11:29 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 17 2011, 12:13 AM) *
Well, that's mostly because Abate, Flamini and Boateng are in fact better than Oddo, Gattuso and Ambrosini nowadays. I know you'll disagree, but I'm sure most of us will concur about that.

Abate is so mediocre it's laughable that he plays for Milan. He's an athlete, he can run very fast, but as a footballer he's just bad.

I'd pick Oddo ahead of him and I don't rate Oddo.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 16 2011, 11:47 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 16 2011, 11:13 PM) *
Well, that's mostly because Abate, Flamini and Boateng are in fact better than Oddo, Gattuso and Ambrosini nowadays. I know you'll disagree, but I'm sure most of us will concur about that.

Or let's not. Look, maybe they are momentarily. But I don't forget what they are or were capable to do. And within these parameters Oddo is and always will be better then Abate, Ambrosini the Flamini and Gattuso then Boateng. It's stupid to compare them. You cannot compare giants with work-in-progress beings. And yes, I prefer them over the mentioned ones. And I still rate them, unlike some here. I perfer Marco van Basten over Ibrahimovic anyday too.

But did I ever state anywhere this season Ambrosini or Gattuso should be indesputable starters? I just play down the hype around Flamini and Boateng, because in my eyes and with my experience they are far from being fix starters.
While Thiago for example has done amazing good stuff and surely is a fix starter, like Pato should be (when in form) played logicaly before Pippo.

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 17 2011, 12:14 AM

Like han mentioned, Flamini was one of our better players this season before he got injured. Boateng had an outstanding two months after a difficult start. They've done much better than Gattuso and Ambrosini, and thus they should be starters. Plain, simple logic. We're talking about the present, not the past. Then, if you fail to see the good in any of them, well, that's your problem.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 17 2011, 12:38 AM

Read my posts better. The last sentence was not neccesary, but you had to make it clever, didn't you?

For the last time - yes, so far they've done good in some periods. And yes, both should be put infront Rino and Ambro. But does that solve our midfield problem? I don't think so.

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 17 2011, 01:12 AM

Yes, it does. biggrin.gif

Posted by: han2503 Feb 17 2011, 03:02 PM

Only Pirlo will solve our problem. Flamini, Rino, Ambro and Boateng are all the backup to Pirlo's simphony, without them it won't be good but without Pirlo it just does not work at all. Until we get him back we'll continue to have trouble. But imo Flamini and Boateng are the ideal duo to be backing him up at this point in time. Ambro has had a terrible last couple of months, while Rino is always up and down as of late. Flamini and Boateng provide the ideal energy to play next to Pirlo

Posted by: kurtsimonw Feb 17 2011, 08:11 PM

I agree han, which is why we need to get rid of Pirlo too. We're too one dimensional with him in our squad. He's quite a unique player and you pretty much have to build a team around him, it makes it awkward to have a Plan B.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Apr 2 2011, 10:59 PM

I know you guys like Flamini, and he did a solid defensive job tonight...but hey! He connected the game in our counter strikes terribly! Gattuso compared to him is a creator if you look at the match tonight. I really expect more of him, not just destruction.

Posted by: KillerMax Apr 3 2011, 04:54 AM

He is a disappointing player to watch in the modern game. He was smiling like an idiot after coming on not realizing he is actually doing badly. One good tackle doesn't justify his total lack of tactical and technical abilities. I'm just wondering what he was thinking in a couple of those plays? Boatang is very solid defensively and is an absolute threat when attacking. In comparison, Flamini's tactical awarness and technical ability when going forward is inexplicable.

Posted by: acid911 Apr 3 2011, 09:10 AM

Can't say I disagree. sad.gif I still like him, but the guy has major performance gaps to cover up, or else Flamini can be out sooner than the time it takes him to write Mathieu. Let's see at the end of this season.

Posted by: X-Offender Jul 24 2011, 07:33 PM

Suffered a muscular injury, will be out for 15 days and thus miss the derby.

http://www.sportmediaset.mediaset.it/calcio/milan/articoli/1841/gattuso-kaka-torna-al-milan.shtml

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jul 24 2011, 07:51 PM

When will we play the Bayern game?

Posted by: Jack Bauer Jul 24 2011, 08:24 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jul 24 2011, 09:51 PM) *
When will we play the Bayern game?

July 26

Posted by: han2503 Jul 24 2011, 08:28 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 24 2011, 06:33 PM) *
Suffered a muscular injury, will be out for 15 days and thus miss the derby.

http://www.sportmediaset.mediaset.it/calcio/milan/articoli/1841/gattuso-kaka-torna-al-milan.shtml

That means Gattuso starting on the right dry.gif

Posted by: KillerMax Jul 24 2011, 08:29 PM

I'd rather see Gattuso on the field than him.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jul 24 2011, 08:58 PM

QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Jul 24 2011, 09:24 PM) *
July 26

Thanks smile.gif

QUOTE
I'd rather see Gattuso on the field than him.

Finally. +1

Posted by: X-Offender Jul 24 2011, 09:37 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 24 2011, 09:28 PM) *
That means Gattuso starting on the right dry.gif


I think Gattuso would have started either way.

QUOTE (KillerMax @ Jul 24 2011, 09:29 PM) *
I'd rather see Gattuso on the field than him.



Posted by: han2503 Jul 24 2011, 10:03 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 24 2011, 09:37 PM) *
I think Gattuso would have started either way.



laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Wanting Gattuso on the field over anyone is just crazy talk. tongue.gif

Flamini at this point is simply put the better player.

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Jul 25 2011, 09:28 AM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 24 2011, 05:03 PM) *
Flamini at this point is simply put the better player.

+1 000 000 000

i can't think of a single argument i've most had to recycle, re-justify and re-analyse.

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 26 2011, 05:54 PM

Flamini out for 5 months.

http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/milan/?action=read&idnet=bWlsYW5uZXdzLml0LTU5OTIy

unsure.gif

Posted by: han2503 Aug 26 2011, 07:51 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 26 2011, 04:54 PM) *
Flamini out for 5 months.

http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/milan/?action=read&idnet=bWlsYW5uZXdzLml0LTU5OTIy

unsure.gif

Maybe this will push them into buying a CM

Posted by: KillerMax Aug 26 2011, 09:29 PM

He was playing pretty nicely in the pre-season. It's a shame this happened. Rather it was Gattuso(I know, Flamini changed my opinion), but it's strange to wish injury on anyone. Anyways, we have too many oldies as DM's. Van Bommel, Rino, Ambro... Even though Van Bommel is still great, I don't see these players withstanding a fast team like United. And we don't have an anchor anymore either so we can't really dictate the play that well either... I wish we would buy a quality midfielder.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 26 2011, 09:34 PM

Yes, another mediocre player like Parolo rolleyes.gif

I know you don't rate Ambro or Gattuso, but there's not really much difference in having to faded world class DM's or two limited mediocre DM's.

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 27 2011, 12:51 AM

Don't remind me of our old midfield. We have four players over 33! Man, how annoying is that!!

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 27 2011, 12:55 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 27 2011, 01:51 AM) *
Don't remind me of our old midfield. We have four players over 33! Man, how annoying is that!!

Well, never then less...it's how it is.

Posted by: han2503 Aug 27 2011, 01:21 AM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 26 2011, 11:55 PM) *
Well, never then less...it's how it is.

Yes, we should give them all another extension to keep it that way devil.gif

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 27 2011, 01:22 AM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 27 2011, 02:21 AM) *
Yes, we should give them all another extension to keep it that way devil.gif


Absolutely! Long live the "has-been's"!

Posted by: CHU-LIP Aug 27 2011, 02:16 PM

Really a shame he gets an injury like that, because I expected him to be obvious better than both Ambrosini and Gattuso this season. And I would be pleased with a new midfielder even it's a so called mediocre one. We simply lack midfielders now in my opinion. Ideally we sign one who has the potential to become a future starter.

Posted by: han2503 Aug 27 2011, 02:18 PM

QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Aug 27 2011, 01:16 PM) *
Really a shame he gets an injury like that, because I expected him to be obvious better than both Ambrosini and Gattuso this season. And I would be pleased with a new midfielder even it's a so called mediocre one. We simply lack midfielders now in my opinion. Ideally we sign one who has the potential to become a future starter.

I don't see a lot of those types lieing around...

Posted by: acid911 Aug 27 2011, 02:20 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 27 2011, 06:18 PM) *
I don't see a lot of those types lieing around...

Oh, I'm sure they lie once in a while, being human and all. laugh.gif They are not lying around, sure, agreed.

Posted by: CHU-LIP Aug 27 2011, 02:22 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 27 2011, 03:18 PM) *
I don't see a lot of those types lieing around...

I read a rumour about Leroy Fer yesterday. He's 21 year old midfielder from Feyenoord, and I rate his potential highly. For now he would be nothing more than a backup, like Strasser would have been if he stayed, but since Strasser got loaned out, Flamini got long term injured, Calvano also injured now, and Merkel also not here (though no defensive midfielder, yet a midfielder too), I would like Milan signing Fer. Feyenoord don't wanna sell him - he's very important to them - but they have to when offered just a few millions (which is little for Fer, but much for Feyenoord).

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 27 2011, 02:25 PM

I don't think we need a new DM to cover Flamini's absence. We simply sign Kaka' and retreat Boateng to that position. It's the most ideal solution.

Posted by: han2503 Aug 27 2011, 02:28 PM

QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Aug 27 2011, 02:22 PM) *
I read a rumour about Leroy Fer yesterday. He's 21 year old midfielder from Feyenoord, and I rate his potential highly. For now he would be nothing more than a backup, like Strasser would have been if he stayed, but since Strasser got loaned out, Flamini got long term injured, Calvano also injured now, and Merkel also not here (though no defensive midfielder, yet a midfielder too), I would like Milan signing Fer. Feyenoord don't wanna sell him - he's very important to them - but they have to when offered just a few millions (which is little for Fer, but much for Feyenoord).

Yeah read that as well, but I don't think our management are that creative, he's not the type of player we usually go after.

That's why I have my hopes on Monto coming now or in January.

We'll see, but atm, I don't get how Galliani and Allegri can say that our transfer market is closed. What happened to those Honda rumours? I know you rate him highly, I personally think he'd be a good squad player at this point since we're so short in midfield and the Kaka thing is looking like media talk more then anything else

Posted by: han2503 Aug 27 2011, 02:29 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 27 2011, 02:25 PM) *
I don't think we need a new DM to cover Flamini's absence. We simply sign Kaka' and retreat Boateng to that position. It's the most ideal solution.

Agreed on that, however, I do believe that we're one CM shot from really doing some damage in Europe. We have a lot of what ifs in our midfield. And Kaka is not the most reliable player around with his injury troubles

Posted by: CHU-LIP Aug 27 2011, 02:33 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 27 2011, 03:28 PM) *
Yeah read that as well, but I don't think our management are that creative, he's not the type of player we usually go after.

That's why I have my hopes on Monto coming now or in January.

We'll see, but atm, I don't get how Galliani and Allegri can say that our transfer market is closed. What happened to those Honda rumours? I know you rate him highly, I personally think he'd be a good squad player at this point since we're so short in midfield and the Kaka thing is looking like media talk more then anything else

I would welcome a CM instead of a DM too. We need to add a midfielder, and I believe Honda would be a very good addiction since he can cover both AM and LCM, and will increase creativity in our squad. If we don't sign Kaká, I hope Milan goes for Honda, but I think he would be expensive to sign this Summer. CSKA rather sell him in January, I figure. And shame is, we need a new midfielder now, January is too late in my book. I read a rumour we have a verbal agreement with Montolivo to join next Summer. Which is nice, because now we already have a free replacement for Seedorf then, yet I would liked him now already, or now someone else instead eh...

Posted by: han2503 Aug 27 2011, 02:57 PM

QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Aug 27 2011, 02:33 PM) *
I would welcome a CM instead of a DM too. We need to add a midfielder, and I believe Honda would be a very good addiction since he can cover both AM and LCM, and will increase creativity in our squad. If we don't sign Kaká, I hope Milan goes for Honda, but I think he would be expensive to sign this Summer. CSKA rather sell him in January, I figure. And shame is, we need a new midfielder now, January is too late in my book. I read a rumour we have a verbal agreement with Montolivo to join next Summer. Which is nice, because now we already have a free replacement for Seedorf then, yet I would liked him now already, or now someone else instead eh...

But won't he be cup-tied?

Well I just read on MN that we're waiting for the last minute on Monto, Fiorentina will get desperate when no one offers them a good fee. That's when Galliani will supposedly swoop in...

Who knows at this point, but at this moment, I'm really not confident going into our season with the midfield as is.

Posted by: CHU-LIP Aug 27 2011, 03:15 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 27 2011, 03:57 PM) *
But won't he be cup-tied?

yes sad.gif

If we sign another midfielder, which we should, it should be now and not in January.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 27 2011, 03:36 PM

Honda? That rumor died a long time ago, why even consider it?

With all due respect, I don't think we need a Feyenoord kid right now either; we could have kept Strasser if this was the case. What we need is a quality DM, maybe not this season or until January, but in near future yes. Ambro and Gattuso ain't getting any better, and I see us parting ways with Flamini next summer.

One CM away form damage in Europe? Hmh, not sure. We still lack both creativity and defensive coverage in midfield. One person cannot give us the needed push IMO, cause we need a creator (a real one, a maestro) and a new Gattuso. Also, I don't think our fullbacks are good enough, I know many will disagree, but Taiwo and Abate are still not defensively tuned, while Zambro isn't getting any younger.


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