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post Oct 17 2020, 08:01 PM
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Conte to Sky:" Milan were good and often quite lucky at the time."

You make your own luck. In the past luck has eluded us because we were not good enough. We didn't press the situation because we never believed in ourselves. That is the key difference.

We had Romagnoli coming back from a very long injury in the central defence, up against, imo, the best striker duo in the league. And our defence held up. Yes there were shaky moments, but you can't keep complete control for the entire 90
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post Oct 17 2020, 08:03 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 17 2020, 07:58 PM) *
Did Pioli play it safe? Yes. But given our recent derby history I understand his decisions.

Tonali has looked nervous in his previous games. I don't think this was this right time to put him in

Regarding Samu, I didn't compliment his attacking play, but he did help in other areas.

We're really going to nit-pick winning the derby? After a 4 year dry spell?

And have Inter never gotten lucky during that time and got the 3 points?


Sorry, but I'm not the kind of guy who just looks at the result and smiles.

Pioli made it more difficult for us, is what I'm saying. I simply hate the idea of fielding useless players in delicate situations like this when the stakes are very high. We were incredibly lucky, and we might be singing another song had any one of their chances gone in.
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post Oct 17 2020, 09:02 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 17 2020, 08:03 PM) *
Sorry, but I'm not the kind of guy who just looks at the result and smiles.

Pioli made it more difficult for us, is what I'm saying. I simply hate the idea of fielding useless players in delicate situations like this when the stakes are very high. We were incredibly lucky, and we might be singing another song had any one of their chances gone in.

Understood. But sometimes you just take the 3 points and smile. Not every game is going to be champagne football or even comfortable.

I get your points, and agree with them to a certain point. But I also understand why Pioli made the decisions that he did.



Let's look ahead to Celtic. Danny must be having a grand old day, 2 for 2 on derby day since Rangers won 2-0.

I think we should rest some players for this one. Hakan, Bennacer or Kessie should sit it out. Tonali and Brahim should play instead. Would love to see Hauge starting on the wing as well.
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post Oct 17 2020, 09:04 PM
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oh, and btw, why do Inter have Skriniar on the bench and are playing with 4 WBs/FBs? Kolarov and D'Ambrosio were just awful on both goals. Conte and his fetishes really are aggravating
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post Oct 17 2020, 09:11 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 17 2020, 09:04 PM) *
oh, and btw, why do Inter have Skriniar on the bench and are playing with 4 WBs/FBs? Kolarov and D'Ambrosio were just awful on both goals. Conte and his fetishes really are aggravating

Correction. Apparently Skriniar has the Rona. But from what I read from Inter fans, Conte is not fond of him
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post Oct 17 2020, 09:43 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 17 2020, 09:11 PM) *
Correction. Apparently Skriniar has the Rona. But from what I read from Inter fans, Conte is not fond of him


He was rumoured to leave but then stayed. Conte isn't indeed fond of him.
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post Oct 17 2020, 09:54 PM
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About tonight's performances, I thought Kjaer, Calabria, Kessie and Ibra were our best players. Worth noting that both goals started from Calabria. He simply owned Perisic tonight.

Romagnoli and Theo were pretty bad. I understand Romagnoli who was coming from 3 months of inactivity, but Theo completely lost his duel with Hakimi. Not gonna mention Castillejo again.

I would have included Leao as well, but he assisted the second goal, so that sort of dismisses him. But he was pretty poor. He can't play on the wing, at least not under Pioli's system. He's too immobile off the ball, doesn't press, doesn't combine well enough with the other players, like Saelemaekers for example does. He just doesn't fit, and looks like an external body who just awaits for the ball to do his own tricks.
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post Oct 18 2020, 02:07 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 17 2020, 09:54 PM) *
About tonight's performances, I thought Kjaer, Calabria, Kessie and Ibra were our best players. Worth noting that both goals started from Calabria. He simply owned Perisic tonight.

Romagnoli and Theo were pretty bad. I understand Romagnoli who was coming from 3 months of inactivity, but Theo completely lost his duel with Hakimi. Not gonna mention Castillejo again.

I would have included Leao as well, but he assisted the second goal, so that sort of dismisses him. But he was pretty poor. He can't play on the wing, at least not under Pioli's system. He's too immobile off the ball, doesn't press, doesn't combine well enough with the other players, like Saelemaekers for example does. He just doesn't fit, and looks like an external body who just awaits for the ball to do his own tricks.

I thought Theo was okay. Looked preoccupied with Hakimi though and just was not willing to make his usual runs, probably fearing he'd be caught out if the ball is lost. Generally speaking he didn't allow Hakimi to create too much on that side though which is good as Theo defensively is still a bit of a question mark for me. He usually recovers due to his speed but Hakimi is probably one of the few players faster than him.

Agreed about the good performers. I'd also add Hakan there. But Ibra aside. Kessie was my MotM. It's truly amazing how much he's grown under Pioli.

Agreed about Leao. We should only use him as a CF sub for Ibra. He's not a winger. And even though he did turn D'Ambrosio around a couple of times, I think had we had a proper winger on that side, we'd have probably inflicted more damage on Inter.
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post Oct 18 2020, 03:54 PM
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Top of the table. 4 wins out of 4. Derby win.

And MF regulars still whine.
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post Oct 18 2020, 03:55 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Oct 18 2020, 05:54 PM) *
Top of the table. 4 wins out of 4. Derby win.

And MF regulars still whine.


We are used to winning champions league titles (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Oct 18 2020, 05:19 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Oct 18 2020, 04:54 PM) *
Top of the table. 4 wins out of 4. Derby win.

And MF regulars still whine.

Indeed.

For weeks I keep reading (on various forums) stuff like "inadequate team; horrible mercato; we barely won against week teams (like Crotone), better teams (like Juve) surely will dominate them; first game we will play against a tough opponent (like Inter) we will get trashed". Yet ... we are winning games where we would have struggled in the past, conceded only one goal (from a high scoring Inter), and other teams have their problems. Only teams that really worries me is Napoli (all others have shown their limitations).

Yes, this is a long way from winning CL. OTOH, we have been little more than a mid-table team in recent years, and we are not going to go back to the old glory days overnight.

Let's enjoy the moment. Forza Milan!
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post Oct 18 2020, 05:35 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 17 2020, 09:03 PM) *
Pioli made it more difficult for us, is what I'm saying. I simply hate the idea of fielding useless players in delicate situations like this when the stakes are very high. We were incredibly lucky, and we might be singing another song had any one of their chances gone in.

Yes, we did get lucky. OTOH, after reading some commentaries on the game, I think I understand Pioli's strategy a little better. As I understand it, Pioli played a risky game for the first 60 minutes, using players (like Leao) that could exploit Inter's defensive weakness, but leaving us exposed as well (in particular, Roma and Theo struggled). The strategy worked in the first half, but Inter was getting way too many chances after the break. Bringing Krunic and Samu was all about shoring up the defense and preserving the win. Going to a 4-3-3 closed Inter's attack lanes, and Samu was favored over more attack-minded (but risky) options (like Diaz and Hague). Inter still had chances, but less so.

I still think Samu needs to be replaced with someone better, and we need upgrades as well as more depth in multiple areas.
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post Oct 18 2020, 08:10 PM
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QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Oct 18 2020, 05:19 PM) *
Indeed.

For weeks I keep reading (on various forums) stuff like "inadequate team; horrible mercato; we barely won against week teams (like Crotone), better teams (like Juve) surely will dominate them; first game we will play against a tough opponent (like Inter) we will get trashed". Yet ... we are winning games where we would have struggled in the past, conceded only one goal (from a high scoring Inter), and other teams have their problems. Only teams that really worries me is Napoli (all others have shown their limitations).

Yes, this is a long way from winning CL. OTOH, we have been little more than a mid-table team in recent years, and we are not going to go back to the old glory days overnight.

Let's enjoy the moment. Forza Milan!

Agreed.

Napoli and Atalanta for me are both the scary teams in the league due to their attacking acumen. Napoli absolutely destroyed Atalanta yesterday, but on any other day, it could have easily been the reverse.

Juve drew to Crotone yesterday, Roma are losing to Benevento atm. I thin this is going to be a crazy season, with crazy score lines. The Covid effect factoring in, not to mention the compressed fixture list.

That being said, we've started the season out strong. Complaining right now, is pointless. Yes we haven't really geared up to the level of play we were at after the restart but certain things have factored into that, mainly the limited preparation going into the season, the loss of Zlatan, Rebic and Romagnoli and fatigue playing a part as well. Our run of games after the restart we were incredibly fit, and were managing to outrun our opponents in most games, I expect us to regain those fitness levels in time, and with that the more fluid play will come.

All in all, I'm very happy with how things are going so far. We have a strong group and it is clear that the team spirit is high with everyone playing for each other

QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Oct 18 2020, 05:35 PM) *
Yes, we did get lucky. OTOH, after reading some commentaries on the game, I think I understand Pioli's strategy a little better. As I understand it, Pioli played a risky game for the first 60 minutes, using players (like Leao) that could exploit Inter's defensive weakness, but leaving us exposed as well (in particular, Roma and Theo struggled). The strategy worked in the first half, but Inter was getting way too many chances after the break. Bringing Krunic and Samu was all about shoring up the defense and preserving the win. Going to a 4-3-3 closed Inter's attack lanes, and Samu was favored over more attack-minded (but risky) options (like Diaz and Hague). Inter still had chances, but less so.

I still think Samu needs to be replaced with someone better, and we need upgrades as well as more depth in multiple areas.

Agreed. I scratched my head when he put on Krunic as well. But I think it helped out in closing the spaces, especially with Kessie and Bennacer tiring out.

Re Theo and Romagnoli. You have to also look at the fact that Leao was on their flank, while Alexis was on Calabria's side, and he goes from doubling up as a FB to attacking, while Leao doesn't help out as much, plus this being Inter's stronger side with Hakimi
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post Oct 18 2020, 11:35 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Oct 18 2020, 03:54 PM) *
Top of the table. 4 wins out of 4. Derby win.

And MF regulars still whine.


If there's room to criticise, then I don't see the problem in doing that. Like I said before, I'm not the kind of guy who just looks at the result and smile. I always want us to get better and make as few mistakes as possible. It's how winners such as our club should think.

Am I happy with the results thus far? Extremely. But that's another matter entirely.
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post Oct 19 2020, 04:52 PM
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4 games down, 34 to go in the league.

Didn't like the derby, first 20-30 minutes were good, Milan were calm and in control. The rest, Milan were organized and covered as a team, but the individual qualities prevailed where inter clearly trumps Milan.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves, and hope for a CL birth. At the very least EL.
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