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Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 31 2009, 08:00 PM
New AC Milan coach. I wish him the best, and will try to keep my scepticism as long as possible closed down.
Posted by: Rivaldo May 31 2009, 08:15 PM
Forza LEO!! I love you for Kaka and Pato and hope will love you as a coach!!
Posted by: Darunia May 31 2009, 08:17 PM
Good luck!
Posted by: Zed.D May 31 2009, 08:43 PM
Forza Leonardo and good luck 
I'm happy he's teaming up with Galli (and Tassotti). hopefully we'll pay more attention to our youth players. Juve and Inter already have a couple of upcoming stars in Giovinco, De Ceglie, Marchisio, Balotelli, Stanton, etc. Paloschi aside, whose potential is doubted by some, we have no one at the moment.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 31 2009, 08:47 PM
Oh, you should add Abate and Darmain, but I know,...both are uncertain and far from what Santon or Giovinco already are.
Posted by: Zed.D May 31 2009, 08:49 PM
Posted by: Zed.D May 31 2009, 08:52 PM
Problem is we don't know how good Darmian actually is. he's been labeled a potentially great defender but never got a chance to prove it. 'at the moment' we can't tell we have a potentially great defender in Darmian. besides, rumor has it he will be loaned out next season.
As for Abate, I'd forgotten him tbh. you're right. even though whether he returns remains to be seen.
Posted by: dst May 31 2009, 10:20 PM
Good luck! Please bring change!! 
Posted by: Bluesummers May 31 2009, 11:35 PM
Yes we need change! New style, New formation, New tactics and a new look!
Its going to be exciting next season knowing we can't predict the line up for every game a week before the game is even played or having to deal with subs so late that they dont make an impact or stupid subs that always backfire.
Posted by: mishie May 31 2009, 11:58 PM
Its going to be exciting next season knowing we can't predict the line up for every game a week before the game is even played or having to deal with subs so late that they dont make an impact or stupid subs that always backfire.
We won't know anything because he's never coached before..and this disrespect for Carlo is still going to continue even now he's left??
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jun 1 2009, 12:05 AM
It seems so. I'm just curious how long it will take till Leo won't be hung.
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Jun 1 2009, 12:14 AM
It was after seeing this celebration during today's game that I figured it could have mean't something more...
Forza Coach Leo!!
Grazie Ancelotti! You gave us so much joy while at Milan, but your stratagies seemed to change a bit along the way.
Good Luck in your future challanges...
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Jun 1 2009, 12:28 AM
+1
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Jun 1 2009, 12:40 AM
From Leonardo's Wikipedia Page:
'..despite not still having the required coaching badges (he is set to attend a UEFA A coaching course on June 2009).'
Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 1 2009, 12:58 AM
Having coaching badges means nothing guys. He has probably shown berlu and Galliani that he has something to offer otherwise they would appoint MVB.
Posted by: Zed.D Jun 1 2009, 05:16 AM
'..despite not still having the required coaching badges (he is set to attend a UEFA A coaching course on June 2009).'
It is June 1st. does anyone know how long does this course take?
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 1 2009, 05:19 AM
A few weeks I would imagine. I think they're pointless anyway, a badge doesn't really prove wehether you're worthy enough to coach a team..
I'm slightly disappointed. I was hoping we'd bring in a guy like Sam Allerdyce so we could play some sexy long ball football.
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Jun 1 2009, 08:32 AM
I'm slightly disappointed. I was hoping we'd bring in a guy like Sam Allerdyce so we could play some sexy long ball football.
Contradictory!
Damn you’re as English as they get - Aren't you?!
Posted by: Zed.D Jun 1 2009, 10:47 AM
LOL @ Kurt!
Much to the disappointment of some:
Monday 1 June, 2009
Newly installed Milan Coach Leonardo wants to strengthen his side with Emmanuel Adebayor and Michael Essien, according to Corriere dello Sport.
The 39-year-old former Brazil international yesterday replaced Carlo Ancelotti who announced he had agreed to terminate his contract with the Rossoneri.
Leonardo has followed the Fabio Capello route to the Milan bench, working for one of Silvio Berlusconi's companies before becoming a trainer.
According to Corriere dello Sport, Leonardo is prepared to overhaul the current squad both in terms of tactics and personnel.
His No 1 transfer target this summer is reportedly Adebayor, the 25-year-old Togo striker, who has flirted with Milan in recent weeks.
Adebayor famously compared Milan with Beyoncé Knowles, the R&B singer, to the disappointment of Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger.
Essien, the Chelsea midfielder, is also apparently on Milan's wanted list, although the prospect of him leaving Stamford Bridge is remote.
If they do join the Rossoneri this summer, they are likely to play in a 4-3-3 formation, which La Gazzetta dello Sport believe to be Leonardo's preferred style of play.
I have always said, I don't think Adebayor is all that great but I'd gladly take him because I can't see us aiming higher than that. he's good enough, in other words.
Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 1 2009, 11:02 AM
I dont think that will happenl. I doubt we'll sign adebayor. I think we'll go for maybe borriello-pato-paloschi-inzaghi combo with perhaps sheva staying on board as well.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jun 1 2009, 11:18 AM
We need a striker. Kaka being our first scorer (even if many of his goals came from penalties) means we need one more up front IMO. How can we rely on Borriello?
Posted by: Zed.D Jun 1 2009, 11:44 AM
Counting UEFA Cup goals, Pato is our top goalscorer (18). he scored only 1 goal less than Kaka in the league but just a little less than half of Kaka's goals came from penalties (most of them earned by others).
IMO Kaka never was and never will be a striker. he's best used when he's playing in midfield, like old times.
Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 1 2009, 11:51 AM
I agree with you but I just dont think we'll spend the money unless Kaka is sold then yes we will have to spend. I think most of our transfer fund will go to a rock solid defender and perhaps another midfielder.
Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 1 2009, 12:08 PM
Leonardo has spoken of his delight after being unveiled as Milan's new coach on Monday, and he is ready to continue building as he works towards brining more success to the club.
Milan have confirmed the former Brazil international has signed a two year deal which expires on June 30, 2011. Leonardo is hoping he can lead the club back to glory as he prepares to settle down and begin a new adventure.
"I am tied to Milan with great affection. It's an important day for me, it's special and different to what I could have imagined," Leonardo told Sky Sport Italia during his unveiling.
"I am truly happy for this choice. I have been here for 12 years and starting after Carlo means something even deeper as I had a good rapport with him."
Leonardo spent Sunday saying farewell to his former mentor, and he admits Ancelotti had a helping hand in pushing him to take on the role.
"It was extraordinary yesterday and to see all the players crying was strong," added the coach.
"Carlo has always stimulated me to accept this role. It has been difficult over the last few days with everything that has happened.
"I am happy, I start a new adventure. Now we have to construct. We have the right foundations in terms of will and determination in place to succeed
"We have a good structure here and I don't think there is any need to make major changes."
Kaka has been linked with plenty of clubs as the transfer rumours continue, but Leonado is not fazed by all the hype, confident his fellow Brazilian will stay.
"Kaka is always a dream for many teams. Honestly, I don't see any problems. We have him here and I hope he continues to stay here with us," added Leonardo.
"Obviously you can never tell what happens with the transfer market, but I am hopeful he will stay."
First press conference
Posted by: GonzZo Jun 1 2009, 12:26 PM
IMO Kaka never was and never will be a striker. he's best used when he's playing in midfield, like old times.
Agreed. Pato can be a goalmachine it just depends on how he's played. Try to look at his goal ratio when he has been playing with Kaka up front (as the striker in a christmas tree), he has averaged almost a goal per game this season, however he hardly ever scored playing next to Pippo. Back at Internacional he played as a '9' aswell, so I have no doubts that he could do that at Milan. If we play a 4-3-3, he would be perfectly able to play the striker role. We only need one more striker if we're gonna play a two-striker formation, playing Pato on the wing is a waste, like Robinho on the wing in Real Madrid.
Posted by: dst Jun 1 2009, 12:43 PM
We're probably going to play like this:
Gattuso - Pirlo - Flamini
Kaka - Pato - Ronaldinho
in which case I don't think we need another forward. In any case, we MUST sign a great CB and a great LB as soon as possible!
PS Please take Seedorf with you Carlo!
Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 1 2009, 12:47 PM
Gattuso - Pirlo - Flamini
Kaka - Pato - Ronaldinho
in which case I don't think we need another forward. In any case, we MUST sign a great CB and a great LB as soon as possible!
PS Please take Seedorf with you Carlo!
Eventhough I dont like it, I think this is what will happen.
We'll use borriello, Paloschi and inzaghi as backup.
Oh sheva is leaving forsure. Chelsea said they want him back.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jun 1 2009, 01:51 PM
It will be a trial and error start for him, in deciding on the formation, tactics, and players.
At first glance, he will most likely play KaPaRo with two DMs and fullbacks. Yet this is just an assumption, as many different formations and assumptions could be conjured up, but not till the September has passed will we truly know the layout that Leo will play with. A lot of question markers arise and I hope creates the sparks to set out a team that will make us all proud
Posted by: Zed.D Jun 1 2009, 01:58 PM
Leonardo's first press conference. very interesting.
Humility, enthusiasm and a fun football. These are the new believes of the new Rossoneri’s coach Leonardo who was presented today at San Siro. A new path which starts without forgetting the help of the friend Carlo Ancelotti.
MILAN – Today a new path and new era started for Milan, born from the dreams and projects of president Silvio Berluscni. The new Milan coach, Leonardo, today during the press conference of San Siro presented his philosophy, his new project:
“THANKS CARLO”
“Today for me is an absolutely special day. I dream of becoming a player, but I would have never thought of being a coach. To start this adventure you need solid basis, like the great affection which ties me to this club and without doubt the great respect. I’ve been in this environment for the past 12 years and for me to start again after Carlo Ancelotti has a very deep meaning. What ties me to Carlo is an extraordinary tie, he is a very sensible person and it was very strong seeing how the entire dressing room and environment are tied to him. I would have never accepted this duty if there wasn’t a great rapport between us and especially if there wasn’t this final part of the season which saw us all agree. I must admit that Carlo Ancelotti is the person who most motivated me to accept this role, between us there was a sort of common path and this was very nice. Today for me it starts a new adventure, with great humility, enthusiasm and will to do, and what makes me happy is feeling a lot of trust around me.”
“I FEEL LIKE AN ADMINISTRATOR”
“How I see myself? More with the tie than the track suit. Without doubt I change role, but I’m a coach. What can be different from another coach is the path. Today I have a club vision, I know perfectly well the culture, philosophy, the needs of this club because I worked in the management. However, I’m not the director of the technical area anymore, my role will be that of moving these work experiences on the pitch. The perfect work could be administrator. Yes, I see myself as an administrator of a structure which already works very well and which can be improved. I see myself as the right person for re-arranging new mechanisms. I start from the fundamental presumption that nothing will be upset, because I believe that a work structure must be maintained. This staff, this organization knows everything about this squad, it has a baggage of experience from which we must start again with more ideas and new objectives. We have an important margin of growth from the programs level and we can grow also on the tactical level.”
THE NEW TECHNICAL STAFF
“On the pitch I will rely a lot on Mauro Tassotti who will be my assistant coach. With him we shall evaluate the management of the training session, of the daily work. Daniele Tognaccini will be in charge of the athletic structure, with the duty of trying new methods, new tests, new controls and new methods of work. For example I believe a lot in an athletic preparation with the ball, to quicken the action, to have more ball possession in the opponents centre half. With regards to the medical part, we shall again to evaluations. Then we shall rely to two specific figures to obtain tactical and scientific data. It will be two people with a detached vision to the event, positioned in specific zones for the control of the opponents, movements, game spaces. Goalkeeper trainers will remain Villiam Vecchi and Valerio Fiori.”
“THE FOOTBALL I LOVE”
“I don’t know yet with which tactical setup we shall play, because a lot will depend from the technical material we have. I would say that there is a solid basis, which is that of the 4-3-1-2 which can vary in identity. I think about an offensive game, which entertains and allows the players’ talents to give their best without losing consistency. Today the team which plays best in this sense is Barcelona, Italian football had various periods, I think for example about the 4-4-2 which were quite static and the consequent will, from the fans, to see a more entertaining football. I inspire myself to the Brazil’s game of Tele Santana, but those were the 80s, today you cannot do without the talent helped by the strength and battle because football has changed, it has become with more fighting spirit. Even a coach of my past like Guus Hiddink, lately has varied a bit his game module, imposing more on the physical strength. Changes will always be there. I admired a lot the Brazil of 1982, light in its game, with players who basically did not have exact duties and who had two full-backs who pushed forward a lot.
“In any case, this team has a solid base from where we can re-start and surely we will have incoming players. For example I’m very concentrated on the wings, on the push of the wingers that my team will have. Something in this sense will be made for sure. Kaka? He’s certainly a transfer market player, but I hope he can remain and re-start with him. Ronaldinho? He arrived with great enthusiasm and in the first six months he did very well, scoring also important goals. Then after the injury he found it difficult, he noticed how hard Italian football is and how much commitment there must be in the daily work. I think that this year it was very important for him to understand various things.”
“A PRESIDENT WHO DREAMS”
“President Silvio Berlusconi has always had words of encouragement for me, just like general manager Adriano Galliani. Our president is a person who dreams and close to him there is a club who is concentrated in making these dreams become reality.”
(we will play with wingers
)
Posted by: pacang Jun 1 2009, 02:05 PM
now that we have both ex-players at chelsea and milan, is it possible for a mutual agreement? say swap Essien with Seedorf?
Posted by: Zed.D Jun 1 2009, 02:12 PM
Swap Essien with Seedorf?
let's not dream!The only player I can see them dealing with us for is Pirlo, and even that is almost an impossibility.
Posted by: Zed.D Jun 1 2009, 03:22 PM
MILAN, June 1 (Reuters) - Just like his Renaissance namesake, new AC Milan coach Leonardo plans to use the latest scientific advances to create a footballing masterpiece.
The Brazilian rookie, who has replaced new Chelsea boss Carlo Ancelotti on a two-year contract, wants to play attractive soccer by analysing detailed fitness and performance data of every player.
While such techniques have been used for some time in England, Spain and Germany, Serie A has been slow to catch on and Leonardo plans a mini-revolution.
More like a manager than a coach in a tracksuit, the 39-year-old former Milan player will also keep most of his old duties as technical director.
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“I have the idea of having two assistants that will deal with technical data and scientific information,” the 1994 World Cup winner told a news conference at the San Siro on Monday.
“People will see me more with a suit and tie, that’s true.”
Ancelotti, who led Milan to glory in the 2003 and 2007 Champions League, has moved on after two unsuccessful seasons but Leonardo said his approach would not differ hugely with playing good football the first objective.
“I have the idea of doing training with the ball, to have a team that is quick with the ball,” he said. “The style of Milan, the philosophy goes on. 4-3-1-2, this is our identity, but it can change. I want to play in an attacking, entertaining way.”
Barcelona’s success this term in 38-year-old Pep Guardiola’s first season has raised expectations that novice Leonardo can do something similar after Milan limped in third in Serie A.
“Today it’s normal to talk about Barcelona seeing what has happened this year,” he said in perfect Italian, one of the five languages he speaks.
“My style won’t be based on someone else, it will be my own style,” he added after saying the 1982 Brazil team was the best of all-time and England’s Fabio Capello the best ever coach.
COACHING BADGES
Leonardo has two immediate priorities, keeping hold of Real Madrid target Kaka and getting the best out of Ronaldinho after an average first season at Milan.
“Kaka, like many other big players, will be courted by many great clubs. I don’t see that as strange,” he said. “Definitely it’s important that we keep him here with us. He is a big reference point for the team.
“I see in Ronaldinho a huge desire to rediscover his best form.”
Transfer plans will be decided shortly but Leonardo, who said he held the relevant coaching badges despite reports otherwise, jokingly gave a short list of targets.
“The players I have asked for are Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo,” he smiled.
Chief executive Adriano Galliani said it was hard to come to terms with Ancelotti’s departure after eight years but was confident long-term friend Leonardo could prosper like Capello did as a rookie at Milan in the early 1990s.
The Rossoneri would try to hang on to Kaka, he added, before again bemoaning Italian tax laws and the lack of stadium investment which he believes put English and Spanish clubs at a huge advantage.
“Ten years ago Messi and Ronaldo could have played in Italy but now no one even considers it,” Galliani said.
Yahoo! Sports
Posted by: 6Best Jun 1 2009, 03:31 PM
At least he's not all defend , he wants to attack , that is pretty good for us .
Posted by: Zed.D Jun 1 2009, 03:39 PM
And he does have a coaching badge, according to this. 
Posted by: Minami Jun 1 2009, 03:45 PM
perhabs he needs some other? I don't know if there is any diference, because i don't know anything about coaching license, between the coaching badges...perhabs he needs special badge form UEFA??
Posted by: Zed.D Jun 1 2009, 04:02 PM
Maybe, but whatever it is, it's not as a big deal...
Posted by: Habitant Jun 1 2009, 07:27 PM
loved him as a player
as a scout
as a person... why not as a coach as well.
Posted by: Ry4n Jun 1 2009, 07:54 PM
Buon Fortuna Leo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FORZA LEO !!!!!
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jun 2 2009, 10:54 PM
No? And why not? Do you trust a policeman with a fake badge? A historian who studied law? A doctor who's a vet?
Posted by: Zed.D Jun 2 2009, 11:26 PM
I wouldn't trust those but I trust Leonardo. for a guy in Leonardo's position who's been with the team for many years a coaching badge means nothing but a formality. if he became the coach it's because he learned a thing or two about it all these years not because he would learn how to coach in future coaching courses.
You are making a big thing out of it. you always defended every decision the board made but now I see it was as long as they were in favor of your favorites, as you're having big time problems with Leonardo being named the coach and all.
Posted by: Tennie Jun 3 2009, 12:07 AM
All I'll say about Leonardo as coach is that I hope Berlusconi made the right choice. He would not have been my first pick, but I'm willing to keep an open mind and see what he does.
Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 3 2009, 12:24 AM
Same here. Surprising pick with all the options available.
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Jun 3 2009, 12:41 AM
All I'll say about Leonardo as coach is that I hope Berlusconi made the right choice. He would not have been my first pick, but I'm willing to keep an open mind and see what he does.
+1
Posted by: dst Jun 3 2009, 01:07 AM
I would trust an inexperienced policeman, a historian and a doctor as long as they got their best 11 men doing the job. And I would take them any day ahead of their experienced coworkers who allow men that can no longer do the job right do it.
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Jun 3 2009, 01:13 AM
+1
...Yet to be seen if it [Leo Era] will actually play out as such ^
But yes I definitely agree with the analogy!
Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 9 2009, 11:49 AM
Lets all put our faith in him and let him bring about change:
He is going for his Uefa A license. Second highest under Uefa Pro. This is considered very high for those who don't think he has the credentials. Uefa pro license is given to the elite of coaching like ancelotti. Most have Uefa A with certain Fifa accepted restrictions and rules which allow them to coach in Serie A.
You need Uefa Pro to coach in the top leagues and it allows you to do as you wish without Fifa's guidance or restictions. It is part of the rules of Fifa. Uefa A is sort of like a drivers license with glasses restriction. You can only drive with your glasses or contacts on. So Leonardo can coach milan along with the guidance of a similar ranked or higher ranked coach.
Sorry I can't make this any more clear for those who are a bit confused, but don't worry he will be allowed to coach milan with his full ability with the guidance of other highly ranked coaches such as tassotti and galli, which ultimately make up for his lack of Uefa Pro licensce.
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Jun 9 2009, 01:24 PM
Thanks Blue - for trying to explain this to us & attempting to clear the confusion.
Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 10 2009, 07:30 AM
"It is true we will all miss him, as a player and as a person, because he is an extraordinary lad. He is part of Milan's history and we will certainly miss him," the Brazilian admitted in an interview with Sky Sport 24.
"I wish him good luck, because I think he deserves it, this is a sure sign that things are moving forward."
Leonardo now has to mould the squad in his own image, after Carlo Ancelotti's eight-year tenure at the club ended when he moved to Chelsea earlier this summer.
Kaka was certainly an influential player for Milan helping them win the Coppa Italia, World Club Cup, Champions League, and Scudetto during his time at the club.
forza Leo! Bring us glory!
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 10 2009, 08:51 AM
I'm bored, I wish Carlo were here, that's not many people left to have a go at. Just down to Berlusconi, Galliani and Kaladze I suppose.
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Jun 10 2009, 09:49 AM
I wouldn't have minded if Carlo stayed, especially if the team's dead weight was ridden of, and the transfer he actually wanted were brought in. But that yesterday's news, Leo is here now and I look forward to having him as our coach, I wish him success and I hope the transfer season doesn't bring anymore sorrow to us as I believe we've been through enough [and it hasn't even officially started yet].
*** Oh how we long for a balanced competitive Milan ***
Posted by: Zed.D Jun 11 2009, 03:37 PM
6/11/2009
MILAN - New doctor Leonardo, after receiving his Master's degree in strategies for sports business, said today at Venezia: "My mother is finally happy, I was the only one in the family without a degree. Are Milan taking a chance with me? I don't have a past as a coach, while Maldini is an institution. Paolo can say what he wants, he is the first person I talked to after accepting the job. Paolo knows everything I think and I know everything he thinks."
Congratulations to Leo! hopefully he will be with us for many, many more years! be it as a coach or as a director.
Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 12 2009, 08:47 AM
Milan coach Leonardo still harbours hope of signing Edin Dzeko from German side Wolfsburg despite the club's refusal to listen to offers for their man.
The Rossoneri are keen on the Bosnian hitman, but their hopes of landing him took a knock when the Germans claimed they would not sell. Vice president Adriano Galliani has threatened to drop interest in the hitman, but Leonardo is hoping he doesn't.
"I really like Dzeko," the coach told Sky Sport Italia.
Andrea Pirlo and Alexandre Pato have been linked with lucrative moves to Chelsea according to reports in England, but Leonardo believes both men will stay at the San Siro.
"Pirlo and Pato? Not all the rumours in the papers come true," continued the coach.
Pirlo has claimed he would be staying with the Rossoneri and he reaffirmed those intentions on Thursday night following Italy's win over New Zealand.
"I am Milan 100 percent," said the player.
Leonardo also spoke about Ronaldo's propsed move to Real Madrid after Manchester United accepted a bid from the Spanish side.
"Ronaldo? I didn't expect it so early, but it is a mega swoop," added the coach.
He's got balls, lets see if we can sign him. I have no doubt that dzeko was his choice. The management probably would prefer 32 year old toni
Thats the one thing I like about Leo over carlo. He knows how to pick his players.
Posted by: Ry4n Jun 12 2009, 10:23 AM
Thats the one thing I like about Leo over carlo. He knows how to pick his players.
yep his scouting got us Pato
and ofc Kaka'
Posted by: Zed.D Jun 12 2009, 10:42 AM
Agreed with Blue and Ry4n!
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jun 14 2009, 06:45 PM
Yep, especially after the transfer market (for Milan) didn't even start. But hey, let's jump to the conclusions.
Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 14 2009, 07:59 PM
Pato, Kaka ring a bell? Oh wait nvm... Those were recommended by the almighty carlo
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jun 14 2009, 08:13 PM
Be serious. We're talking about his transfers now. Kaka and Pato, yes, partly Leonardo's success. But "picking his players" means something else.
Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 15 2009, 11:07 AM
He asked for Cissokho and Dzeko. If he gets them and they succeed doesn't that prove he knows how to pick his players? Galliani and co. obviously want Toni here instead of Dzeko and that would have been the typical carlo choice. Thats why i'm saying if were signing players who have been recommended by leo, than he is picking his players where as carlo would just say sign me a striker who is good instead of I want this player and putting his foot down until he got him.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jul 2 2009, 10:56 AM
Leonardo took over from Carlo Ancelotti at Milan last month and soon enrolled into the renowned Coverciano course to take his coaching badges, which will enable him to sit on the bench next season.
Former Milan midfielder Romeo Benetti has had the privilege of preparing the Brazilian for his maiden season as coach.
“He is a serious lad, very attentive, like the rest of them, but he strikes me as being a little messed up at the moment,” Benetti revealed to La Gazzetta dello Sport.
“He is always on time, but he is evidently worried - he has to put himself out there. It’s a nice commitment but one that comes with great responsibilities.
“He applies himself - he’s a swot, as anyone might be. Some of his colleagues make fun of him, but he plays along.
“And he does not enjoy any special treatment either - he will go to the meet-up of Milan on July 6, but will be back here the next day until mid-July.”
The course began on June 8 and the aspiring coaches have to attend classes five days a week for a month-and-a-half.
I'm not sure if this is a good thing or a bad thing.
Posted by: han2503 Jul 2 2009, 11:14 AM
I think its expected that he will be nervous at first.
And with the team the management are preparing for him I cannot blame him one bit
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jul 2 2009, 11:41 AM
You are one right ray of sunshine. Keep up the optimism and I'm gonna need shades when I'm around you. You need rum, you're wound up too tight.
Posted by: Ry4n Jul 2 2009, 02:41 PM
sounds like someone going back to college or school
Posted by: mishie Jul 4 2009, 10:56 PM
Beginning to wonder if the players we are linked with are Leo's choices or is he suffering the Don Silvio effect.....Adebayor..no thanks...Fabiano...hmmmm not another brazilian please...Hunterlaar....now that would be great.
Posted by: han2503 Jul 4 2009, 10:59 PM
I'm starting to worry a bit about Leo first that whole 'messed up thing' now him coming out and saying that coaching isn't really something that he's wanted to do or saw himself doing.
Personally I think he was pushed into it more then anything else. As the next season could well likely be a transitional one and we won't have a competitive team. Only someone from the inside would accept this sort of deal.
Posted by: mishie Jul 4 2009, 11:04 PM
Personally I think he was pushed into it more then anything else. As the next season could well likely be a transitional one and we won't have a competitive team. Only someone from the inside would accept this sort of deal.
I think i said in another thread about the balancing of the books for the next couple of seasons...this smacks to me of just employing someone who is already on the books...top class coach would require top money and insist on top players...it all costs and we all know a major rebuilding job is required.
So i guess they thought cheap option play down our chances of winning anything and hope we make the top 4...how long Serie A keeps its 4 C.L places is another thing but thats a different conversation for another thread
Posted by: han2503 Jul 4 2009, 11:11 PM
So i guess they thought cheap option play down our chances of winning anything and hope we make the top 4...how long Serie A keeps its 4 C.L places is another thing but thats a different conversation for another thread
Agreed
And hopefully all the Italian teams do well. And sadly Italy has been relying on Milan for the co-efficient point these past few years, and now Milan is not strong enough to compete.
And Inter... No matter how well they do in Italy or who their coach is, they'll still stumble when it comes to the big stage. Let's hope they'll at least make it past the last 16 this time and not get beaten out by another brit team.
Same goes for Juve who haven't been a force in the CL since their Lippi days.
Personally I would have prefered Roma to get one of the places, Fiorentina are still new to the game and like last season they'll find it hard to cope, maybe even more this time around as they'll lose some of their best players...
Posted by: Protogonist Jul 5 2009, 02:58 PM
Maybe he is too young, but I believe Pato can do wonderful things for us next season. He has done very well for a kid in a league a tough league so far, and he does have the speed that compensates for Kaka. Then if Ronaldinho regains his form, then there could be a possibility of Milan challenging to some extent. Adding one more striker, and hoping that these three click, you never know.
Ideally I would think it would take a miracle for Milan to win within the coming three seasons, but football is crazy in every sense of the term
Posted by: han2503 Jul 5 2009, 03:52 PM
Ideally I would think it would take a miracle for Milan to win within the coming three seasons, but football is crazy in every sense of the term
We'd still need to look at the defence which is not great same goes for the midfield. We need a player that can replace Seedorf and play in that position.
It's not just about the attack, we have problems in all areas of the pitch
Even the goal keeping position is shaky, as we don't know if Abbiati will come into next season playing like cr@p or not and Dida is not good enough anymore
Posted by: Protogonist Jul 5 2009, 04:27 PM
Yeah .. It doesn't seem like we will be challenging for top honors anytime soon. Maybe three years from now, maybe longer.
Posted by: mishie Jul 5 2009, 08:02 PM
It's not just about the attack, we have problems in all areas of the pitch
Even the goal keeping position is shaky, as we don't know if Abbiati will come into next season playing like cr@p or not and Dida is not good enough anymore
not just on the pitch...i think the club off the pitch is at its lowest for many years....i firmly believe we have lost of sense of morals with the way Kaka was pushed from the club which he stated time and again he didn't want to leave.
Balancing the books s all well and good but there are still huge wage earners at the club so whats next?? Pato sold next season...it's not a understatment to say this club is in turmoil and 3 years to challenge for anything only if things work out if not....5 years plus i think
Posted by: han2503 Jul 5 2009, 08:10 PM
Balancing the books s all well and good but there are still huge wage earners at the club so whats next?? Pato sold next season...it's not a understatment to say this club is in turmoil and 3 years to challenge for anything only if things work out if not....5 years plus i think
THANKYOU!!!
Exactly what I've been trying to say for weeks now!!
What was the point of selling Kaka when we still have players who lets face it are only doing damage to the club by staying earning over 4m a season? These wages will render the Kaka sale null in 2 years time...
Posted by: mishie Jul 5 2009, 08:38 PM
Dida,Kaladze,Favalli,Kalac,Sheva all these players on vast sums of money then the players that have left since the end of the season like Emerson,Senderos major earners apart from Favalli all pretty useless.
Also the acquisition of Flamini in a already packed midfield also on big money when a position was already filled 3 times over in the midfield.
Major major bad running of this club for the last several years...and the lessons haven't been learnt from several key areas such as
1. Calciopoli...Galliani was involved and should have been shown the door when the club was found guilty, the man is incompetent and a liar.
2. The non qualification of last season C.L in which everyone could see in the last game of the previous seasons tournament how slow we were against Arsenal and how little we created and compare this against the absolute hammering we gave Man.Utd a couple of seasons previous.
3. The buying of "toy" players by Berlisconi players such as Ronaldo,Ronaldinho and latest Beckham...turning the club into a worldwide circus more interested in selling shirts than winning games.
4. Related to number 3 is the constant interference by Silvio in formation choice and player selection.
5. The vast amount of €'s invested in the academy and the refusual to play these players even in Coppa games.
All these thing have contributed to a slow decline which ends up in the unthinkable....we have to sell our best players to compensate for the overspending on bad decisions which unless something serious happens will just continue season after season until the fans become like fans from Naples....living on past glories and hoping one day maybe one day it will happen again!
Posted by: han2503 Jul 5 2009, 09:08 PM
Also the acquisition of Flamini in a already packed midfield also on big money when a position was already filled 3 times over in the midfield.
Major major bad running of this club for the last several years...and the lessons haven't been learnt from several key areas such as
1. Calciopoli...Galliani was involved and should have been shown the door when the club was found guilty, the man is incompetent and a liar.
2. The non qualification of last season C.L in which everyone could see in the last game of the previous seasons tournament how slow we were against Arsenal and how little we created and compare this against the absolute hammering we gave Man.Utd a couple of seasons previous.
3. The buying of "toy" players by Berlisconi players such as Ronaldo,Ronaldinho and latest Beckham...turning the club into a worldwide circus more interested in selling shirts than winning games.
4. Related to number 3 is the constant interference by Silvio in formation choice and player selection.
5. The vast amount of €'s invested in the academy and the refusual to play these players even in Coppa games.
All these thing have contributed to a slow decline which ends up in the unthinkable....we have to sell our best players to compensate for the overspending on bad decisions which unless something serious happens will just continue season after season until the fans become like fans from Naples....living on past glories and hoping one day maybe one day it will happen again!
Great post.
But I do think the Flamini deal was a good one.
Ambro and Rino have next season, but the one after that will probably be their last as starters. We need to start thinking about replacing these players.
And you forgot to mention mistakes like the co-ownership deals Galliani seems so fond of. I think we're losing around 10-15m a season on these sorts of deals. Look at what happened with Boriello.
Plus the Gourcuff mistake. Not only did they loan him with an option to buy, but they also couldn't gaurantee him playing time when they tried to convince him to come back!!! I mean what the hell??!!! They knew they were going to sell Kaka, so why in God's name would they tell him that he's not gauranteed a spot in the first 11???!!! Oh right so Seedorf can come on the field every Sunday and jog around for 90 minutes. This thing just leaves me baffled...
Posted by: mishie Jul 5 2009, 09:13 PM
But I do think the Flamini deal was a good one.
Ambro and Rino have next season, but the one after that will probably be their last as starters. We need to start thinking about replacing these players.
And you forgot to mention mistakes like the co-ownership deals Galliani seems so fond of. I think we're losing around 10-15m a season on these sorts of deals. Look at what happened with Boriello.
Plus the Groucuff mistake. Not only did they loan him with an option to buy, but they also couldn't gaurantee him playing time when they tried to convince him to come back!!! I mean what the hell??!!! They knew they were going to sell Kaka, so why in God's name would they tell him that he's not gauranteed a spot in the first 11???!!! Oh right so Seedorf can come on the field every Sunday and jog around for 90 minutes. This thing just leaves me baffled...
I see your point but what about the young Mathías Cardacio isn't he a player being groomed for that position..and yes i forgot about the countless €'s lost in co-ownership deals to
Posted by: han2503 Jul 5 2009, 09:19 PM
Personally I don't understand why he was bought in the first place. Personally I see real potential in both him and Viudez. They knew that Carlo would not give them a lot of playing time. Hopefully though they won't get sent out on loan, because if they do they'll get lost with all the other players we loaned out...
I think given the chance by Leo they could both shine next season, since we're going down the Arsenal route that is. Viudez is really skillful, and he's lightning quick with the ball at his feet. I think it was Tennie who commented about his performances in some U-21 competition, and he was really impressive.
Cardacio, I personally like a lot, he's great on the ball, he's always calm and collected, has a good passing range. He sometimes reminds me of Real's Gago, the way he moves around on the pitch.
Posted by: mishie Jul 5 2009, 09:23 PM
My point exactly...to many times these players have been over looked...said this hundreds of times about the youth..Darmain another i hope will get game time to
Posted by: han2503 Jul 5 2009, 09:37 PM
Agreed
Personally I think having this squad will be enough for next season
GK
Abbiati
Kalac
Dida
DEF
Zambrotta
Oddo
Nesta
Bonera
Thiago Silva <----- That's 2/3 LBs, 2 RBs and 5 CBs
Favalli
Darmian
Jankulovski
Albertazzi
Maybe a new LB...
MID
Gattuso
Ambrosini
Flamini
Cardacio <----- That's 4 DMs, 2/3 CMs, 3 attacking mids and 1 winger
Pirlo
Seedorf
:praying:Sneijder:praying:
Viudez
Abate
Di Gennaro
Ronaldinho
ATT
Pato
Fabiano
Inzaghi <----- 1 SS and 2/3 Pure out and out strikers and Pippo tap in master
Hunterlaar
Maybe Boriello (hopefully not)
I think this would be a great start heading into the new season of transition.
Posted by: Zed.D Jul 15 2009, 10:49 PM
7/15/2009
MILAN - Leonardo has passed the exam of the course professional Uefa coaches of the 2nd category. The calendar of the exams, with the exams of all the participants, will be completed next Friday. (Ansa)
So he won't be after all without any coaching badges at the start of the season.
Posted by: Bluesummers Jul 16 2009, 03:15 AM
They said he passed with flying colors. He got top marks on his assessments so thats a good thing. I think he was getting lessons from tasotti and galli, who are part of the elite 30 or so in the world of coaches/assistants.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jul 16 2009, 06:13 AM
Once again if what you say is true, why is Tassotti still an assistant coach?? I think if anything, he must take the next step forward.
Posted by: Bluesummers Jul 16 2009, 06:19 AM
Its not tassotti's decision to make. Berlu wanted leo as a coach so he pretty much forced the job on him. I personally dont' think Leo really wanted to coach, but hey I won't complain. I love the guy and I think hes got the right ideas to make milan excell. But yes, in response to what you said, if we really wanted a great coach we should have put Galli as head and Tassotti as assistant or vice versa.
But they will be there and will help leo out so It wont be that big of a deal.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jul 18 2009, 07:58 PM
Why do you think Leonardo didn't want to coach?
Posted by: Protogonist Jul 18 2009, 08:20 PM
But they will be there and will help leo out so It wont be that big of a deal.
I don't think the job was forced on Leonardo, more like it was offered to him and he decided to accept the challenge. And what a challenge that will be!
Posted by: Bluesummers Jul 18 2009, 11:12 PM
hes said it in his second press conference.
Posted by: Protogonist Jul 19 2009, 09:16 PM
If Leonardo had topped Ancelotti on anything thus far, then it must be this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYQDTgxp3yc
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Jul 20 2009, 12:49 AM
Very clear english indeed!
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 20 2009, 02:24 AM
His English has been very good for a while, he works for the BBC fduring World Cups.
Posted by: Ro Rossonera Jul 20 2009, 09:42 PM
Wow! His English is impressive! Thanks for posting that.
Posted by: Kaka Is Brilliant Jul 22 2009, 03:13 AM
Ah yeah, I do remember him doing a bit of media work over here now.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jul 22 2009, 06:43 AM
I remember the two Swede babes kissing, and Leo saying all they're missing is a Brazilian.
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Jul 22 2009, 08:26 AM
Haha - Our Leo said that?!
I like him even more now!
Posted by: Dzeko Jul 23 2009, 03:46 PM
Leonardo: Milan - Chelsea Will Be Special
Ancelotti's successor cannot wait to get one over his former tutor...
Milan coach Leonardo is relishing the chance to have a shoot-out against former mentor Carlo Ancelotti when his side clash with Chelsea on Friday.
Both teams meet in Baltimore in what is expected to be a sold-out match and the Brazilian, who took over from Ancelotti at the San Siro, cannot wait to face the Blues.
"The Chelsea match will be very special for me and it will be unexpected to find Ancelotti on the opposite team," Leonardo told Sky Sport Italia following Milan's 2-1 loss to Club America.
"Chelsea have been doing well and they are working hard. They have a big squad with plenty of great players who can dictate the match. They are a great team and play with speed and intensity."
Leonardo wanted to see Sevilla striker Luis Fabiano arrive, but he has conceded defeat in the race to land him after the Spanish side rejected the club's €14million bid.
"There was a moment to decide whether it was yes or no, but we are closer to a no and it doesn't seem like he will arrive," added the coach.
"We have a good side already and we can play really well if we continue to work hard together. If someone arrives then it will be good."
Earlier reports suggested the Rossoneri were aiming to take a shot at AZ Alkmaar striker Moussa Dembele.
Salvatore Landolina, Goal.com
Posted by: Zed.D Aug 26 2009, 08:27 AM
Nice pic.
Posted by: Tennie Oct 13 2009, 09:10 PM
So. there have been two international breaks so far this season for World Cup qualifiers - one in September and this one currently going on.
The curious thing is that the erstwhile coach of AC Milan, Leonardo, has taken 3 day trips to Brazil with his girlfriend during both breaks. The players not called up were given the time off (no training) and this past weekend, Leo skipped out on the last training before the break to catch his flight.
Now there may be some serious family thing going on but...
...Fishdoll thinks that jetting off on holiday during international breaks and letting a team that's ALREADY visibly out of shape just sit around for 3 days (when other teams do not do this during breaks) shows a shocking lack of professionalism on the part of the coach. Also shows that - unless something comes out to prove otherwise - he's not taking the job very seriously at all.
(http://www2.qsvs.it/notizia.php?UID=urihv7uqi288s79ujcouvvu401&idnotizia=10535 to big ranty article on telelombardia about Leo and his vacations).
Posted by: Danny Oct 13 2009, 10:14 PM
It's not a shocking lack of professionalism, it's an accurate level of the ability of the amateur we have in charge.
Leonardo does not know how to manage or coach in football. Putting the club in his hands has turned out to be an appallingly misguided decision.
Posted by: Tennie Oct 14 2009, 12:00 AM
Fishdoll thinks he, dst's dogs, and LaPalma's pet rabbit could do a better job at this point.
Posted by: Ro Rossonera Oct 14 2009, 01:54 AM
Diavolino is sad that Fishdoll didn't think about him.
And Leo how am I supposed to keep defending you if you keep doing stuff like this?!
Posted by: Tennie Oct 14 2009, 02:04 AM
Fishdoll apologizes to Diavolino and asks if he wants to be the motivator during training - he can chase after the guys when they're doing runs and bite the slowpokes (he has the teeth for it!).
Posted by: Bluesummers Oct 14 2009, 02:27 AM
The curious thing is that the erstwhile coach of AC Milan, Leonardo, has taken 3 day trips to Brazil with his girlfriend during both breaks. The players not called up were given the time off (no training) and this past weekend, Leo skipped out on the last training before the break to catch his flight.
Now there may be some serious family thing going on but...
...Fishdoll thinks that jetting off on holiday during international breaks and letting a team that's ALREADY visibly out of shape just sit around for 3 days (when other teams do not do this during breaks) shows a shocking lack of professionalism on the part of the coach. Also shows that - unless something comes out to prove otherwise - he's not taking the job very seriously at all.
(http://www2.qsvs.it/notizia.php?UID=urihv7uqi288s79ujcouvvu401&idnotizia=10535 to big ranty article on telelombardia about Leo and his vacations).
take it easy, he needs some time off; everyone does.
There is no point working when the entire squad is under immense pressure and the morale is zero. Let them all get some rest and resume working this week. We don't have a young squad, so its not like they need training. They need to get their head in the game and concentrate and maybe some time off can do them some good.
I'm beginning to think tactics are not where our problems are rather we are lacking motivation and discpline.
Tactics have never won games alone, the players need to perform. We should be able to beat atalanta with no coach at all given the calibre of our squad.
Posted by: Tennie Oct 14 2009, 02:48 AM
Hah. Knew it wouldn't last, the two of us agreeing! (If it did, Fishdoll would start to twitch).
Gonna respectfully disagree that two extended breaks within the space of 6 weeks is really necessary or wise especially for a brand new coach of a squad that's not in shape anyway. And if the coach skips out on practice so he can catch his flight, how on earth can he then expect ANY of his players to show up on time for training?
I do agree that it's motivation and discipline but that isn't going to get better when the coach goes off on holiday once a month during the middle of the season. Leadership comes from the top and Leo just isn't showing any, nor is he showing discipline.
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Oct 14 2009, 05:36 AM
And Leo how am I supposed to keep defending you if you keep doing stuff like this?!
i thought Diavolino was in my camp
Posted by: Bluesummers Oct 14 2009, 07:48 AM
Gonna respectfully disagree that two extended breaks within the space of 6 weeks is really necessary or wise especially for a brand new coach of a squad that's not in shape anyway. And if the coach skips out on practice so he can catch his flight, how on earth can he then expect ANY of his players to show up on time for training?
I do agree that it's motivation and discipline but that isn't going to get better when the coach goes off on holiday once a month during the middle of the season. Leadership comes from the top and Leo just isn't showing any, nor is he showing discipline.
Gonna respectfully disagree,
He's stressed out and so is everyone in the squad. So perhaps this break will do him some good. Its not like he decided to get up and go to brazil, I'm sure Galliani agreed/recommended to it.
IMO everyone in this squad needs some time to refocus and put their faith behind the coach. All we've had so far is lack of effort and discipline from the squad.
Posted by: ganney Oct 14 2009, 10:44 AM
Salvatore Landolina, Goal.com
i really don't mind signing this dude
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Oct 14 2009, 02:01 PM
i'd love him or Eden Hazard/Pjanic/Guiherme/marquinhos/dougals costa there a hanful of players, like pato who will promise us, so long as we don't betray them, 10+ years of quality.
Posted by: Ro Rossonera Oct 14 2009, 09:39 PM
Diavolino accepts.
Posted by: Ro Rossonera Oct 14 2009, 09:40 PM
i thought Diavolino was in my camp Your camp?
Posted by: Ro Rossonera Oct 14 2009, 09:41 PM
He's stressed out and so is everyone in the squad. So perhaps this break will do him some good. Its not like he decided to get up and go to brazil, I'm sure Galliani agreed/recommended to it.
IMO everyone in this squad needs some time to refocus and put their faith behind the coach. All we've had so far is lack of effort and discipline from the squad.
I agree with you...plus we don't know the whole story. He could have left Tassotti in charge.
Posted by: Tennie Oct 14 2009, 09:46 PM
He's done it twice, ro. Once is perhaps understandable. Twice in a month is neither understandable nor acceptable. I dont' buy the 'he's stressed and needs a break' argument either. if a month of the regular season has him jetting off to brazil then i hate to see what condition he'll be in by Christmas if he's not in the hospital.
I'm stunned that so many people are willing to shift as much blame as possible away from Leonardo. Is he in no way responsible for his own actions?
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Oct 15 2009, 05:53 AM
+1.
What irks me, is that it's only now that the management is being accused of not supporting the coach.
In any case, I don't think this team is as bad as our position claims. We've had a run of easy fixtures and we've sucked. It's only going to get harder from here on in.
For Leo to keep his job, it's gonna require something magical from R80. I'm still hopeful. I don't want to see Leo fired. I think it would be really sad.
Posted by: Bluesummers Oct 15 2009, 07:48 AM
I'm stunned that so many people are willing to shift as much blame as possible away from Leonardo. Is he in no way responsible for his own actions?
I dont think having Leo at the training ground really makes that much of a difference. Like I said earlier in another post, I highly doubt he makes all the decisions; I don't think he even makes 50% of the decisions.
Galli and Tassotti alongside him form a trident coaching partnership with Leo being the figurehead. That is why I don't really blame him. He doesn't make that much of a difference to deserve the blame. Alot of his decisions come from either Tassotti during games or Galli during training. There is no f*cking I will believe that Leo actually runs all the training sessions with his ideology. If that were the case we def wouldn't see 4-3-1-2 on the field.
If I was going to blame someone I'd blame the management and the other coaches in Milan who are deemed so much to be worldclass. I guess that label was incorrect as Carlo was the only one worldclass.
Posted by: ganney Oct 15 2009, 08:00 AM
I'm stunned that so many people are willing to shift as much blame as possible away from Leonardo. Is he in no way responsible for his own actions?
he's a hard worker
head coach, head scout..... i'll give him benefit of doubt and assume he's tryna sign his own players
Posted by: Tennie Oct 15 2009, 12:25 PM
Just an fyi for folks who aren't watching stuff closely -- Galli isn't doing anything with the first team. He's in charge of the youth squads.
And I see no evidence of Tassotti giving input on either training or during games. I think Leo's in charge and that if there is advice offered, it probably isn't being taken.
Posted by: Bluesummers Oct 15 2009, 05:33 PM
And I see no evidence of Tassotti giving input on either training or during games. I think Leo's in charge and that if there is advice offered, it probably isn't being taken.
I disagree, I think Tassotti is making alot of the decisions and Galli is advising/setting up alot of the things that are occuring.
I don't believe that Leo actually has made an impact at all on the squad as we play, look, feel the same way as carlo's milan and that is tassotti and Galli at work; not leo.
In games also you can see Tassotti and Leo talking before every sub, every decision. Its evident he's not making any decisions on his own.
Posted by: Protagonist Oct 15 2009, 06:03 PM
I don't believe that Leo actually has made an impact at all on the squad as we play, look, feel the same way as carlo's milan and that is tassotti and Galli at work; not leo.
In games also you can see Tassotti and Leo talking before every sub, every decision. Its evident he's not making any decisions on his own.
Gali is the primavera coach, he advises on the development of his squad. Tassotti knows the side all to well, and should carry part of the blame if the team is not doing as it is told. But on the most part Leonardo is to blame, as he has yet to get a convincing result. Against Marsielle, probably the only positive game we played. But the rest, it is clear where the problem is. Not withstanding the loss of Kaka, we just don't have any personality anymore. We go on the field and dont do enough while still conceding ridiculous goals.
I was one who really wanted a change from Carlo and his stagnated midfield. But truth be told, under Carlo we really had a personality when taking the pitch. And I think that has a lot to do with the quality of the coach that you have, if for instance we take Rijkaard, just for the sake of example, a man who has won the champions league both as a coach and player, he would automatically win over the confidence of the players as they know he is a winning coach. Hence, that would in most cases, even when the going gets tough, the team would react positively as they know they are spearheaded by a winning coach.
But having Leonardo, I mean many wanted him here. Claiming he would bring a much needed change and that he would bring youth etc etc. But what about credentials? He is a very good scout, but so far he has one of the worst records of any coach just starting out. Forget about his results against Inter/Juve/Roma, what of his results against teams like Zurich and the likes?
In closing, sure Tassotti shares a portion of the blame, but the major defect if you will is without a doubt from the rookie.
Posted by: Tennie Oct 15 2009, 06:03 PM
In case people have trouble with reading comprehension, I'll repeat: Galli is having nothing whatsoever to do with the first team this year. Nothing at all. He's in charge of the entire youth setup. So how he'd be telling the coach of the first team what to do when he's not even present at the training or on the bench during games is quite beyond me. (http://www.acmilan.com/LM_Team_Staff.aspx to first team staff list) (http://www.acmilan.com/InfoPage.aspx?id=259 to club org list that has Galli as in charge of the youth team).
As for Tassotti's influence - all we know for sure is that we've seen Leonardo talking to him during games. Nobody knows for sure what has been said and what actions have been taken as a result of what's been said.
The one demonstrable change to the way things are done so far has been the training regimen. There was a lot of fuss made about this at the beginning of preseason because there was a lot of work immediately with the ball - and this new change in training was attributed at the time to Leonardo.
Now, given that fitness (ie, being in shape) is looking to be an issue of concern to the squad in general and given that fitness is something that's improved with good training, I think it's not unreasonable to conclude that these new training methods (and the lack of trainign when the coach goes on holiday) are not as effective as the ones that were used under the previous regime (and which Tassotti would be very familiar with).
So therefore I think it's only fair for me to think that Leo is responsible for some of the problems.
Posted by: Bluesummers Oct 15 2009, 08:23 PM
As for Tassotti's influence - all we know for sure is that we've seen Leonardo talking to him during games. Nobody knows for sure what has been said and what actions have been taken as a result of what's been said.
The one demonstrable change to the way things are done so far has been the training regimen. There was a lot of fuss made about this at the beginning of preseason because there was a lot of work immediately with the ball - and this new change in training was attributed at the time to Leonardo.
Now, given that fitness (ie, being in shape) is looking to be an issue of concern to the squad in general and given that fitness is something that's improved with good training, I think it's not unreasonable to conclude that these new training methods (and the lack of trainign when the coach goes on holiday) are not as effective as the ones that were used under the previous regime (and which Tassotti would be very familiar with).
So therefore I think it's only fair for me to think that Leo is responsible for some of the problems.
Galli is an advisor to the program. When Leo got hired, there were mentions that he and Tassotti alongside Leo would develop a long term program for the team. The team info means nothing because that is his job during the day, but the coach doesn't go home at 5. They stay after practice, watch videos of the team train and discuss issues, which Galli is a part of. Secondly, he is the director of youth, that means hes not coaching any specific team. He is watching over the program as a whole. Therefore, he doesn't have to be at the youth facility every minute of everyday so he has time to go to first team practices if he wishes.
In our team Galli has his UEFA Pro license and Tassotti and Togna and Leo have their UEFA A liscence, which means that Galli is the main adviser for the team and the most senior coach in this scenario. Last season when Carlo was here, Galli did not presume this job and was head of youth but this season the team's advisor is Galli alongside Tassotti and Leo.
Now with the training methods, they are obvious. Every coach likes to do different things and I'm sure because of Carlo's failure in the past they wanted to change the training style of the squad in order to achieve more success, hense the ball work because our squad is unbelievable slow on the ball.
The fitness thing I agree with and it was an amateurish mistake on all counts of the squad but I blame Togna because hes the responsible figure in this section. But these guys are well educated enough to know if Leo is making a mistake on the fitness thing and should have corrected him.
I also don't think that the coach going on holidays would make any difference with this squad. Its not training, its motivation and discpline that are the problem. We cannot train Ronaldinho or seedorf to become better, its the mental aspect that needs work. Therefore, no amount of hours spent on the training ground will do the team any good. Players who have recieved benefit from the training ground are the likes of Abate and the younger guys, which then again isn't exactly covered by Leo because hes not out there putting cones and running drills.
Also I don't doubt Leo is part of the problem, he is. He can't motivate a squad and can't handle the man management and pressure that a team like milan demands. But he cannot take the majority of the blame as the idiots surrounding him are as clueless as him right now.
Posted by: Tennie Oct 15 2009, 08:33 PM
Blue, you've got no proof that, aside from one announcement, Galli has anything at all to do with the first squad. Perhaps, just perhaps, things changed after that announcement. And can you please find proof (with links) that Galli is part of tactical discussions and that his presence at training is guaranteed? Because I've seen no evidence of it so for now I'm calling bull**** on those statements.
Absolving LEonardo of a lot of the fault is also being far too generous to the guy. He he shouldn't be jetting off on holiday once a month (can you name a coach in any top european league who does that?). He's the one who's setting the training - and if he's in charge maybe he's not listening to what TOgnaccini and Tassotti are telling him. Clearly the buck should stop with him, if he's a person who takes responsibility for his actions.
Personally, I am beginning to wonder if there's a degree of passive resistance going on among some of the squad and possibly some of the coaching staff. Despite public statements to the press, I don't think there's a lot of real support or confidence in Leonardo by many of the players and I'm not at all sure that there's much confidence in him by the rest of the coaching staff ---- nor do I think he's earned any. He's been unprofessional and amateurish and should have known better than to take the job. The passive resistance, imho, may be showing up in the players and assistants doing exactly what Leonardo asks of them even if they're fully aware that it's not going to work.
Posted by: Bluesummers Oct 15 2009, 08:43 PM
Absolving LEonardo of a lot of the fault is also being far too generous to the guy. He he shouldn't be jetting off on holiday once a month (can you name a coach in any top european league who does that?). He's the one who's setting the training - and if he's in charge maybe he's not listening to what TOgnaccini and Tassotti are telling him. Clearly the buck should stop with him, if he's a person who takes responsibility for his actions.
Personally, I am beginning to wonder if there's a degree of passive resistance going on among some of the squad and possibly some of the coaching staff. Despite public statements to the press, I don't think there's a lot of real support or confidence in Leonardo by many of the players and I'm not at all sure that there's much confidence in him by the rest of the coaching staff ---- nor do I think he's earned any. He's been unprofessional and amateurish and should have known better than to take the job. The passive resistance, imho, may be showing up in the players and assistants doing exactly what Leonardo asks of them even if they're fully aware that it's not going to work.
I'll try to find it, there were several articles on the subject of the three forming a trident when Leo first got hired back in may/june.
Don't agree with any of the bolded parts as coaching cannot be categorized with the regular definition of employment. I also don't believe that the organization has been put in Leo's hands to do whatever he wants with it. Secondly, its ironic how you can tell him to take blame for his actions when everyone else can clearly see that working with this squad is impossible. When your best player is Ronaldinho, you've got problems. He hasn't been given a fair chance to coach so I don't see how he is responsible for any of carlo's mess. If he was given the 3-5 players he asked for then fair enough, then you can call him an amatuer and a person who should have done better with the resources he had.
But he was given nothing. He asked for Fabiano, a versatile striker, he was given a box striker Huntelaar. He asked for a fullback, he was given a washed up oddo who was expected to do things. He asked for a centre back he was given Onyewu. Furthermore, he was given Roma when he asked for a proper GK and was given Di Gennaro when he asked for a Treq.
How you blame someone when they receive a squad like this is beyond me. I cannot understand your reasoning.
Posted by: Tennie Oct 15 2009, 08:50 PM
Well, they're not in shape. That's on Leo (which you agreed with two days ago). The tactics employed don't play to the strengths of the players at Leo's disposal (that's also on the coach). The substitutions have been questionable at times (also the coach). The coach has gone on transcontinental vacations twice in the space of 6 weeks (definitely on the coach).
Dont' forget that Ancelotti also never got the players he asked for - or got them 4 or so years after he asked for them. He was able to cobble together a squad that was at least respectable.
Posted by: Bluesummers Oct 15 2009, 08:59 PM
Dont' forget that Ancelotti also never got the players he asked for - or got them 4 or so years after he asked for them. He was able to cobble together a squad that was at least respectable.
Yeah ofcourse fitness is on Leo but the fact that no one around him said anything is just stupid. Those around him have to advise him properly and they haven't been doing that.
The subs yes are his fault, but last time I checked carlo wasn't perfect at them either.
Vacation means nothing; so what he took a few days to brazil to relax. Its a stress full job, you would do the same if the team you were coaching is in 12th and everyone is blaming you.
Ancelotti is different
1996–1998 Parma
1999–2001 Juventus
2001–2009 Milan
2009– Chelsea
Reggiana, Parma, and Juventus
Ancelotti's first coaching job was with Serie B squad A.C. Reggiana 1919 in 1995. In his only year with the club, Reggiana earned promotion to Serie A. Ancelotti then returned to Parma - which included upstart goalkeeper Gianluigi Buffon and current Milan goalkeeping trainer Villiam Vecchi - in 1996. He became the successor of Marcello Lippi at Juventus the next season, but went trophyless during his two-year stint, finishing runner-up twice in Serie A.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlo_Ancelotti
I'm sure carlo would be in the same position if he was thrown into this team with no exp and expected miracles to come true.
Posted by: Tennie Oct 15 2009, 09:12 PM
Actually if the team I was coaching were in 12th place and fitness was a serious concern I'd consider extra conditioning training and would probably want to lead by example by doing extra stuff.
Posted by: Bluesummers Oct 15 2009, 09:15 PM
Allright, I think i'm done aruging with you. Lets just agree to disagree on this issue.
Posted by: Tennie Oct 15 2009, 09:20 PM
Well, it'd be less likely to make Fishdoll twitch than if we agreed twice in the same week.
Posted by: Danny Oct 15 2009, 10:34 PM
Would Fishdoll take part in any of this
Posted by: Tennie Oct 16 2009, 02:36 AM
Yes. Fishdoll would bite anyone who wasn't applying themselves in training. He'd do Really Bad things to people who were late to training. And then he'd go stake out a table at Hollywood, the popular Milan nightclub, to make sure nobody stayed up too late.
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Oct 16 2009, 02:59 AM
i thought my avatar (creepy dude to your left) hmmmmmmm
i need to come up with a new name for him...i'll be taking names if you guys have any great ideas...
i just don't think Hudič (diavolino in slovenian) is the safest way to go
...
Posted by: Ro Rossonera Oct 16 2009, 03:02 AM
I thought that was Diavolino's job ;D lol
Posted by: Ro Rossonera Oct 16 2009, 03:04 AM
i need to come up with a new name for him...i'll be taking names if you guys have any great ideas...
i just don't think Hudič (diavolino in slovenian) is the safest way to go
...Ohhhh...um...hmm...Diavolino is a little scared of the creepy dude tbh.
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Oct 16 2009, 03:04 AM
says the person with pee-wee herman in a bunny suit as a pic
Posted by: Tennie Oct 16 2009, 03:24 AM
Well, Ro's Diavolino is Chief Biter of Lazy Players. But Fishdoll would help too if it were needed!
Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 16 2009, 03:32 AM
I'm starting to think give Leo a bit more time, let him sign more players, it's still more or less Carlo's team. He hasn't been given the backing to stamp his identity on the club yet. I don't think anyone would be succesful with the (lack of) backing he's got so far.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Oct 16 2009, 05:54 AM
It's Carlo's team, it's Carlo's tactics..kurtiepoo...a rather poor replica of Carlo's tactics. Carlo's tactics which even a complete novice like Bluey knows, doesn't work without the sudden pace change that Kaka used to provide. Common sense dictates that then you'd at least 'try' Pato in the Kaka position, to see if there would be a difference no?
Oh..for the record...Carlo can be argued to be still using Mourinho's team... 
*baiting han*
Posted by: Bluesummers Oct 16 2009, 06:35 AM
Oh..for the record...Carlo can be argued to be still using Mourinho's team...
*baiting han*
funny, too bad I'm not a noob pirate! So go suck a fat one at the bottom of the ocean hoZer
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Oct 16 2009, 10:36 AM
What's a hozer?? Or did you mean dozer? 
Posted by: Bluesummers Oct 16 2009, 04:26 PM
nahh, I meant HOOEEEEEEEEEZERRR
Posted by: Ro Rossonera Oct 16 2009, 08:37 PM
First it's not pee-wee herman, it's Fabri Fibra, and second it's not a bunny suit, it's a dog suit.
Posted by: Ro Rossonera Oct 16 2009, 08:39 PM
Diavolino would be happy to share the biting duties with Fishdoll. I was only teasing.
Posted by: Ry4n Nov 5 2009, 01:00 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyBm0Bn_Tcg
Funny stuff lol
Posted by: Bluesummers Nov 10 2009, 08:53 PM
"Leonardo is the right man for Milan. He is a good friend of mine and we are always talking," Zico told La Gazzetta Dello Sport.
"He knows the environment at Milan. He just needs some time and he will show his value."
"Pato can win the Ballon d'Or, but he has to do well for the team. As for 'Dinho', he can get back to his best, but it's all down to his preparation," concluded Zico.
Posted by: Tennie Nov 27 2009, 02:49 PM
Fishdoll is not a fan of Leonardo.
While it is true that when the 4-2-1-3 mostly works - like v Cagliari - it is entertaining. Thing is the entertainment comes at the cost of sacrificing the other seven guys on the pitch (chief among them pirlo who cannot do the pretty passing any more because he is too busy being a defensive mid). it is also rigid - the team no longer seems capable of playing any other formation - and really easy to stop if you are a smart coach (ie see dechamps and the OM game. it was really effing cold at that game too.)
the other bit of fallout is that leo's one method of play comes at the cost of alienating some of the very senior guys on the squad I bet it's been a while since pippo was told to warm up, did so for 15 mins, and then got told to sit back down, for example.
Rino gave a very interesting interview yesterday afternoon - the english version should be coming out by now -and he is one very unhappy camper. pls, someone find the stuff and post in english; i am at cdg on the way home from italy and don't have time.
Fishdoll is just not sure the brief glimpses of pretty football are worth the cost.
Posted by: Bluesummers Nov 27 2009, 08:01 PM
interesting isn't it. I mean this is certainly something we are not used to... seeing the senior players benched.
Its scary yet rewarding at the same time. I think Leo is trying to get this message across:
"If you don't perform your on the bench, it doesn't matter who you are"
Posted by: Darunia Nov 27 2009, 08:46 PM
You can't blame Leonardo, he almost lost his job early on in the season. He's been having good results lately, and if he has to alienate some of the senior players, he will not refrain from doing so.
Posted by: ganney Nov 27 2009, 10:45 PM
the formation really works for us, i believe once the defence gets better we're only gonna score and concede less.
i love the senior players but it isn't leo's fault if gattuso can't make a decent pass to save his own life+ he isn't doing so well defensively these days, he seems to only do well with a partner in DM, unfortunately the new formation needs two rigid CMs who can pass the ball well... that's why ambro keeps getting the nod ahead of him, pirlo already is one of the best passers of the ball but leo'll rather have him make more tackles(leaving him panting like he'll drop dead any minute).... the senior fellas should simply IMO professionally work towards fitting into the new set-up and meet the new manager's on-field demands rather than queue up scheduling meetings with galliani
Posted by: Ro Rossonera Nov 27 2009, 10:59 PM
i love the senior players but it isn't leo's fault if gattuso can't make a decent pass to save his own life+ he isn't doing so well defensively these days, he seems to only do well with a partner in DM, unfortunately the new formation needs two rigid CMs who can pass the ball well... that's why ambro keeps getting the nod ahead of him, pirlo already is one of the best passers of the ball but leo'll rather have him make more tackles(leaving him panting like he'll drop dead any minute).... the senior fellas should simply IMO professionally work towards fitting into the new set-up and meet the new manager's on-field demands rather than queue up scheduling meetings with galliani
Never have I agreed with someone more.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Nov 28 2009, 02:32 AM
I don't agree entirely. I admit that as long as you're in the team you be professional and play as per requirements, but there's no point playing in a position that is not your strength.
Hence why I'd come up with the suggestion that if need be, we should sell people who can't fit into the system perfectly like Pirlo or Rino. I know they're stalwarts, but if they're not happy (can't speak for the former...coz well...he doesn't speak), we should perhaps give them what they want. Not to mention, we can find good players on the cheap who save us on the wage bill, while still helping us make profit on the transfer market with these sales.
As long as Pirlo performs the way he has for the NT, then he'll always bring in a 15million+ price tag. 20+ in these inflated times. We can get at least 12 for Rino. Now that's enough probably to get one genuine tackler CM who Leo wants.
Posted by: Ro Rossonera Nov 28 2009, 04:03 AM
Will management listen to what Leo wants is the question at hand though.
Posted by: Bluesummers Nov 28 2009, 04:12 AM
Hence why I'd come up with the suggestion that if need be, we should sell people who can't fit into the system perfectly like Pirlo or Rino. I know they're stalwarts, but if they're not happy (can't speak for the former...coz well...he doesn't speak), we should perhaps give them what they want. Not to mention, we can find good players on the cheap who save us on the wage bill, while still helping us make profit on the transfer market with these sales.
As long as Pirlo performs the way he has for the NT, then he'll always bring in a 15million+ price tag. 20+ in these inflated times. We can get at least 12 for Rino. Now that's enough probably to get one genuine tackler CM who Leo wants.
sell pirlo, are you out of your mind? I thought you were in love with pirlo?
Imo pirlo should not move anywhere, he give us so many options with his play that he is like the engineer of this team. Take Xavi out of barca and they'll flop, same with us.
On rino, I personally hope he doesn't get sold. He's still a solid DMF with huge loads of experience. These players like Ambro, gattuso etc need to retire with us and become part of our coaching staff.
You don't just let a player whose played with your club for almost a decade go without a fight. Especially given that he's italian too; you know he's going to stick around.
Posted by: Tennie Nov 28 2009, 04:20 AM
Thing is, with this new style of play, Pirlo can't make the pretty passes because he's too busy tackling and doing the typical DM stuff. His play suffers because of this play style and that's one of the things I don't like about it. I'm not convinced at all that Leo's is the right way to go, or the only possible way. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know, but at this point I am going to respectfully disagree with folks who are such big fans of the system. I'm just not sold yet, especially since I don't like the cost it's extracting.
Posted by: Bluesummers Nov 28 2009, 04:29 AM
Funny... I agree with you.
I personally am behind Leo because of various reasons but I am also in doubt over this system. In theory it works because we create so many oppurtunites and we can score off them. However, this system depends too much on
1) The fitness
2) Motviation
3) Performance
of the players.
If Dinho has a bad game, we have a bad game. Same with Pato. Marseille was a good example of what happens when players don't perform; we get ripped apart.
In order for this system to work successfuly, we have to score every chance we get because the other team is going to counter us hard.
We don't have a world class goalie that can save our @SS like Madrid does. We don't have a solid back line that can protect the net flawlessly like chelsea does. We don't even have a midfield that can control the game for hours like barcelona does.
Our formation and style of play works simply on tape and glue. Very dangerous and requries too many variables in order to be successful, which you ultimately want to limit.
If we don't get players in January, god help us.
Posted by: Tennie Nov 28 2009, 04:38 AM
Fishdoll. o O (Surely it's a sign of the Apocalypse if my person and Blue are agreeing).
I think there are other ways the fragility of the formation can be shown in addition to what's been mentioned above -- namely, if you stick a guy on Pirlo and stick another one on Seedorf, the team's passing ability is more or less nullified. That's what OM did and, well, that was just not a fun game to watch.
Posted by: Bluesummers Nov 28 2009, 04:46 AM
I think there are other ways the fragility of the formation can be shown in addition to what's been mentioned above -- namely, if you stick a guy on Pirlo and stick another one on Seedorf, the team's passing ability is more or less nullified. That's what OM did and, well, that was just not a fun game to watch.
agreed, and Leo should have better prepared for that.
There is no way DD is going to let us just play our game, no one in the champions league will.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Nov 28 2009, 06:40 AM
Hmm. True. In a way we have reaped the advantage of teams thinking we're weak and therefore trying to attack us, instead of the old days where they just focussed on shutting down our strengths.
Well maybe sell Pirlo is a bit too much (I still love him 
), but if it means that we get someone else who can actually make this formation stronger, I'm for it. I can watch Pirlo elsewhere . Imagine, I could get to see Carlo and Pirlo together again in England.
I'm glad you brought up the Xavi example. That's exactly what I'm talking about. That position is fine tuned for Xavi. He doesn't bother about the dirty work, except the occasional interception. In fact Xavi's game is mostly designed towards making those great passes amd runs into the box. This is pretty much exactly Pirlo's ideal game, but in the new formation, he's forced to run back to cut space.
Maybe Leo can think of a plan B and is just stuck for option. Perhaps this is the only formation we can play with the squad we've got and that will work.
I mean the guy too 10 games to come up with Plan A. I suppose we can wait another 15-20 before we get a Plan B.
My only worry is he's very influenced by Brazillian tactics and style of play. This 4-3-3 is very like his favourite Brazil team of the 80s.
And BRazil has never really depended on a CM. Not CAM but CM. No genuine greats there, just good squad players. I don't think Leo would miss Pirlo too much, if say, they got in a Hernanes and a D'Agostino.
As for Rino, well he is captain and he should stay. But he is fast running out of legs, and for how long can he demand a place based on exemplary service. Even Maldini played coz he could perform.
Posted by: Protagonist Nov 28 2009, 07:16 AM
What is all this I am reading about Gattuso? sure he is not getting any younger, but if there is anyone who would give his legs for us (after Paolo ofcourse) it would be him. He is a protagonist and would bleed for us, I don't want to hear anything of it! Galliani should hand him confirmation and Leo should reassess his priorities, rumors or not, Gattuso has to play (ofcourse when 100% fit)!
Posted by: ganney Nov 28 2009, 08:07 AM
nope, the pirlo i see out there neither wants to run forward nor backwards... infact he doesn't want to run at all, he's been very spoilt with the deep lying role and wants two DMs by his side, he just wants to make those pretty&sexy passes, have you noticed he even suffers way more fouls than he did under carlo.....
now under leo, in addition to winning the ball, he is expected not to give it away needlessly/at all(that's xavi's game)
i am although very very impressed with pirlo for doing all he can to make things work with the formation
as for gattuso, i believe every disgruntled player(especially one of rino's calibre) could easily make a case for himself to the manager(especially leo, a rookie) which makes me see to think gattuso's meeting with galliani is more about the tactics not a starting role. if he know he can't fit into the system he needs to chill on the bench cos we still need his fighting soldier *ss out there, leo could easily use the 2dm stuff for one-off games like in the ECL knock-out phase
Posted by: han2503 Nov 28 2009, 09:06 AM
Its scary yet rewarding at the same time. I think Leo is trying to get this message across:
"If you don't perform your on the bench, it doesn't matter who you are"
Completely agree with you blue. So much of the problems we had under Carlo was the fact that if you were a senior player and playing p!ss poor you still got to play. It's what was hated the most during Carlo's reign.
And I don't think Pirlo is wasted, he's still as vital, if we try playing with Ambro and Flamini in midfield instead of Pirlo you will see how important Pirlo is, we'd be stale, Pirlo is the mind of the team and it will always be that way imo
And I don't understand all this talk about Pirlo, he's been playing some of his best games since the WC these past few months, it's only logical that he can't keep up his performance levels playing every 3 days, it obviously has worn him down and to top it off he had to play in the NT matches during the break while all the other players rested.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Nov 28 2009, 09:31 AM
Shut up! Sell Pirlo.
I'm bored I wanna see this...
-----Lampard-------
---Deco----Pirlo----
------Essien---------
or
-Cole--Lampard---
---Pirlo---Essien---
All of these players and he's got Anelka and Drogba. He can play the ball to feet or to heads. 
He'll be happy again!
Let Leo get his Hernanes. We can still play 4-3-3 and win 4-3.
Posted by: Bluesummers Nov 28 2009, 09:45 AM
spoken like a true rossoneri
Posted by: han2503 Nov 28 2009, 12:09 PM
I'm bored I wanna see this...
-----Lampard-------
---Deco----Pirlo----
------Essien---------
or
-Cole--Lampard---
---Pirlo---Essien---
All of these players and he's got Anelka and Drogba. He can play the ball to feet or to heads.
He'll be happy again! Let Leo get his Hernanes. We can still play 4-3-3 and win 4-3.
Pirlo would get killed in the EPL!
Imagine him needing all that time on the ball and has basically no pace trying to fit into that blood bath of a league.
Pirlo was misused under Carlo not now. He's been having some of his best games in years under Leo, he just needs some rest. Even worse, under Carlo we played with 2 DMs and Pirlo was the one left to defend while the DMs were trying to fly down the wing
It couldn't get any stupider then that, but I'm sure had Carlo stayed he would have managed it somehow Try to imagine Carlo with this second hand team with no Kaka! We'd be in the relegation zone at this point, not 3rd breathing down Juve's necks
Posted by: Bluesummers Nov 28 2009, 12:15 PM
Imagine him needing all that time on the ball and has basically no pace trying to fit into that blood bath of a league.
Pirlo was misused under Carlo not now. He's been having some of his best games in years under Leo, he just needs some rest. Even worse, under Carlo we played with 2 DMs and Pirlo was the one left to defend while the DMs were trying to fly down the wing
It couldn't get any stupider then that, but I'm sure had Carlo stayed he would have managed it somehow Try to imagine Carlo with this second hand team with no Kaka! We'd be in the relegation zone at this point, not 3rd breathing down Juve's necks
oh yeah carlo's system was stupid! I don't know how he goes to england and rips everyone apart but he couldn't here. I highly doubt he's a good tactian as many say he is. I think his success depends on how good his squad is.
Overall he plays very boring and depends on 1 or 2 players to win him games, which is a losing tactic from the start. We'll see once Anelka and Drogba leave for African cup of nations what chelsea will do.
Posted by: ganney Nov 28 2009, 12:26 PM
blue....... anelka's french
anelka's french
Posted by: Bluesummers Nov 28 2009, 12:36 PM
anelka's french !!! your right my apologies!!! I meant to say essien not anelka.
Posted by: han2503 Nov 28 2009, 12:47 PM
Overall he plays very boring and depends on 1 or 2 players to win him games, which is a losing tactic from the start. We'll see once Anelka and Drogba leave for African cup of nations what chelsea will do.
Without any doubt Chelsea will lose top spot. Drogba, Kalou, Mikel and Essien will leave, those are 4 players and Carlo's system depends heavily on 3 of those.
Carlo was successful at Milan while we had arguably the strongest squad in Europe, the moment the squad lost its strength (Sheva, Stam, Nesta injuries, Pirlo's loss of form, etc) Milan started to go downhill. The reason he's doing so well in England is because he has the strong squad while Man Us has been weakened a lot with the loss of Ronaldo (Liverpool being so pathetic and Arsenal insconsistant leaves him to fight it out with Man U only)
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Nov 28 2009, 06:37 PM
Bah....Pirlo will flop in EPL. You said Carlo will bottle it in EPL with his cowardly tactics. We'll see.
I don't think the EPL is as dependent on pace as you suggest - Xabi Alonso , Ryan Giggs(now), Modric etc. Pirlo is not lightning, but he's no slowpoke, and he's got enough technique to keep possession.
Posted by: ganney Nov 28 2009, 08:16 PM
“I hope that everyone is angry with me and want to play. Then I decide.” This was coach Leonardo ahead of the Catania clash. The game plan is clear now, the consequences are choices, not failures.
MILAN – These are the declarations of coach Leonardo, this afternoon during the press conference on the eve of the clash: ON THE MATCH AGAINST CATANIA: “First of all we must understand how they will play, I don’t know if it will happen against Catania too, but many other teams have changed to play against us. Sincerely I don’t know how they will be fielded on the pitch. However, they are a quick and aggressive team, with dynamic players who press a lot. It’s a team with whom we must be very careful: their league position does not reflect a lot the way they play.” ON THE DECLARATIONS OF GATTUSO AND HIS NEED TO MAKE CHOICES: “I always speak with Gattuso: yesterday, today, in the past, always. Between us we always try to be very clear on all of our sensations. The first thing I hope is that he heals soon, only then we will be able to have other discussions. The fundamental thing is to be fine. First let’s think about his recovery, then at the matches. I ask for full availability and absolute condition. Gattuso is little by little growing in his physical work, but he still feels a bit of pain and this thing is blocking him. He has been here for the past 11 years, it’s true, and it’s normal to have moments of reflection, even I had them as a player. We just need to speak clearly like we do. Gattuso was a starter not because he was asking for it, but because he deserved it. If all are fine, I must choose: everyone understands the situation and respect the choices. It’s not a failure, but a choice. The same thing happened to Inzaghi, Ambrosini, Seedorf, etc... The most important criticism that was being made to Milan, was that the team did not have identity, that there was too much turnover. Today that there is an identity, there are those who say that we are not doing any turnover, and they criticize this situation too. The truth is that everyone played, both before as well as now. I’m calm about my choices, then it’s natural that an important player complains, but I think that in everyone there’s a conscious of what we are doing. I hope to have everyone in the right condition. Therefore, Gattuso, I tell you: ‘my request is that you return as soon as possible and you will see that things will be different then.’ What Gattuso said, I knew it from before. But I think that now there is something more important, that he recovers, because it is the only thing that matters: playing. Then, if what he has in his head, like you are saying, is of leaving, I will try to convince him not to do it because like he said, he’s Rino Gattuso. However, whatever will be decided, it will be done in a very calm way. I was not surprised by his declarations, which arrived right at the moment of his injury, because I know him well: the same grit that allows him to be Gattuso, is the one that makes him speak in the difficult moments.” ON INZAGHI, HUNTELAAR AND THE COMPETITION IN ATTACK: “Today we play with a lonely striker and therefore in attack there is more competition. But even Huntelaar in this tactical setup would fit well, on the contrary, it can favour his characteristics. Huntelaar and Inzaghi are part of our project, in any moment. Klaas is recovering very well, Pippo is fine and Borriello is doing very well: these are difficult choices. This is the more complicated part of a coach’s job: seeing how the players are and make choices.” ON THE PRESUMED LACK OF MOTIVATION FOR THOSE WHO DON’T PLAY MUCH: “We started off from a situation in which we had to find back the players and help them grow. Today Abate, Antonini and Kaladze are stronger than when the season started out. Today Pippo is better than last year. Unfortunately the competition today is bigger, but this is a thing which pleases a coach. I hope that they are all angry with me and that they want to play. Then I choose. I smell a desire to play, not the bad mood. Then it’s natural to complain to the outside, even I did so as a player. The anger of those who don’t play is very similar.” ON THE SUBSTITUTIONS NOT MADE DURING MARSEILLE-MILAN: “It’s not true that I don’t make substitutions, it happened in all most all the games that I made the three changes, except in the last one, because on the pitch there was a certain balance. We suffered in very clear occasions, we needed a our balance. When you suffer, what do you do, attack or defend more? I don’t know, they are very subjective thing. Flamini was not at 100%. We could have changed Pippo for Borriello, but at that moment we couldn’t for the type of game which we were expressing. Other changes would have changed the balance and everything would have been more complicated. Changing just to change does not help, you must maintain a certain balance. The revolutions are not needed. I think that the players understand this and I think that there are many games left, therefore we will have to use everyone of them.” ON THE ABSENCE OF PIRLO AND ON THE TACTICAL SETUP: “Pirlo is an important point of reference also for the way in which we play now, but I also think that the way to play is part of everyone now, therefore it will not be a problem to find an alternative. When the actors change, even the characteristics, but the idea remains our way of playing. We have absorved the system, I don’t think that there will be any problem. Playing with Gattuso-Ambrosini (or Flamini) in the future, or maybe Pirlo more forward instead of Seedorf? Not from the start, but it has already happened. We can do many things, we have not used all the possibilities, which will be used in the moment in which they will be needed.” ON THE ALTERNATIVES TO MASSIMO ODDO: “We can play with Abate in that role, but there are also other solutions. Him and Zambrotta can play both on the right and left hand side. However, I think that tomorrow we will use the most automatic solution.” ON THE INJURIES: “Bonera is improving, he has already trained twice with the team. We will see next week if we play him with the Primavera or something similar to a game. Even Jankulovski has been added to this program.” ON RONALDINHO: “He found his way of playing, now I ask him to maintain it.” ON PATO: “It happens to everyone to be less decisive in a game. I have no worry.” ON ADYIAH: “He’s a quick player, good on the short runs. He must grow, he must adapt to a new football and slowly he must gel with the group. He’s an investment for the future.” ON BECKHAM: “From December 28 he will be with us. I spoke to him the day before the MLS final. He’s calm and happy to return.”
yeah yeaa.... long story huh....i got this piece from acmilan.com.... its good to hear from leo himself as i'd already read a summarized version on goal.com (they only just wanna quote the part of the story that suits them)
Posted by: han2503 Nov 28 2009, 08:47 PM
I don't think the EPL is as dependent on pace as you suggest - Xabi Alonso , Ryan Giggs(now), Modric etc. Pirlo is not lightning, but he's no slowpoke, and he's got enough technique to keep possession.
Ryan Giggs has spent all his life in the EPL, he's not going there when he's over the age of 30.
And we'll see what Carlo does when his key players go to the ACN...
Posted by: Protagonist Nov 28 2009, 09:12 PM
Interesting, how when you read Leo's own words - unedited - and compare them to the likes of Goal.com. The meaning changes 180 degrees
Posted by: Bluesummers Nov 28 2009, 10:49 PM
I like leo's press conference. He's very direct and he's got the balls to say what he wants.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 29 2009, 10:37 PM
How come this is in the 'other' section and not the players section?
Posted by: dst Nov 29 2009, 10:45 PM
Well he's a former player... but also now our coach... it can always be moved.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 29 2009, 10:54 PM
..so it should be in the players section.
What a silly thing to say!
Posted by: ganney Nov 29 2009, 11:33 PM
i hope all the leonardo bashers can now support his work and changes, we're actually starting to play some
barca-esque football....... good stuff
Posted by: dst Nov 30 2009, 12:15 AM
What a silly thing to say!
I lose it when I'm talking to you my love!
Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 30 2009, 01:05 AM
Owned.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Nov 30 2009, 04:10 AM
. Guess I should learn to move on!
Posted by: Zed.D Feb 20 2010, 09:01 PM
Saturday 20 February, 2010
Leonardo has offered to resign if Milan President Silvio Berlusconi is unhappy with his work. “If he wants, I will step aside.”
The 3-2 Champions League defeat to Manchester United prompted the patron to suggest “Milan have everything possible to win something, but only if they let the players play well.”
This caused speculation Leo would be sacked if things did not improve radically, but he is taking matters into his own hands.
“Our agreement was very clear,” insisted Leonardo in today’s Press conference.
“The plans were laid down and I have no problems. If the President wants, I will step aside. All I need is the word.
“I have been here for 13 years in one role or another, so I’d have no problem terminating the contract. I would never allow this club to pay for two Coaches at once.
“In order to keep going forward, we need the most important thing: calm. For now I am focusing only on the squad.
“I remain relaxed, although I know these rumours cannot do the team any good. It’s not harming them either, as it’s a mature group of players, but I’d prefer to avoid this sort of thing.”
The loss to Manchester United was the peak in a series of poor results for the Rossoneri, who since the derby have won only one game in all competition.
“We have to stand up for these lads. They did something exceptional by playing extraordinary football for a long period of time.
“Truth be told, we played better against United than we had done recently. Unfortunately we were defeated, but I think these games should be analysed logically.
“From Tuesday’s loss, we are actually more convinced of our capabilities.”
You can watch them take on Bari LIVE on ESPN from 19.45 GMT on Sunday evening.
Leo has called up January signing Dominic Adiyiah for the first time, while Marco Borriello is back in action.
Absent due to injury are Luca Antonini, Mathieu Flamini, Kakha Kaladze, Amantino Mancini, Clarence Seedorf, Gianluca Zambrotta and Oguchi Onyewu.
Milan squad: Abbiati, Dida, Roma; Abate, Bonera, Favalli, Jankulovski, Nesta, Oddo, Thiago Silva; Ambrosini, Beckham, Gattuso, Pirlo; Adiyiah, Borriello, Huntelaar, Inzaghi, Pato, Ronaldinho.
Football Italia
Leo is class and I love him.
Posted by: Ro Rossonera Feb 20 2010, 10:06 PM
I love him too, I don't like the way he's being treated though. He is a rookie, and we are still in the top 3 it's better than what Carletto did a few years back bringing us to 5th. If Berlu would give him the money and allow him to get players we NEED instead of buying crap and keeping crap around we could become, once again, as strong and even stronger than Inter.
Posted by: Fishdoll Feb 20 2010, 10:12 PM
I'm sure Leo's a nice person and a total gentleman, but he hasn't yet won me over as a coach. Still seems too one-dimensional and still seems to lack the ability to react to stuff when his one plan isn't working. I'm not really a fan of the way he's treating some of the senior players on the squad either but that one's more up to interpretation.
Posted by: Bluesummers Feb 21 2010, 04:20 AM
I personally wouldn't stand for it. Its one thing if Berlu doesn't want to invest and tells milan they are on their own; but its another thing to meddle in the club's f*ckin business when you leave all the work to another person to do and you drop in when its convenient and give criticism. Silvio needs to either shut the f*ck up and invest in this team so we can compete with the rest of europe or leave the management alone. Galliani and Leo have done a brilliant job keeping us up their with inter/juve/roma when our calibre screams out mid table/uefa cup. He's doing better than even carlo ancelotti was with this team last year.
He deserves some credit forsure. After all he's the only top level coach who gets a joke of a salary; gets no choice or say in the players he gets; and gets no transfer funds.
He's due for some credit, no f*ckin doubt about it.
Posted by: samira Feb 21 2010, 01:29 PM
I love Leo, even tough Ancelotti was very good, I think Leo does a good job but he's a rookie but everbody has been a rookie. Leo got to take more charge!
we played good agianst Man U just that we got to work harder at the end
and to play agianst a team that have one of the greatest trainer and see that result, pretty good
Not the greatst coach but I have my respect to Leo
Man U vs AC Milan
Sir alex vs Leo
3-2
Posted by: Zed.D Feb 21 2010, 02:32 PM
I understand. he has to learn a lot. no one was a great coach from day 1. not with this squad anyway. even Pep would have struggled if he hadn't been given such a great team.
At least our league position is satisfactory. it's past mid February and we are [/can] still [/remain] in the title race. it hadn't happened to us since.. perhaps 2005!
Posted by: amancik Feb 21 2010, 04:27 PM
In my opinion, Leonardo can only get better not worse. I think we should stick with him.
Posted by: Coldest Feb 21 2010, 05:10 PM
I think, most of us agree with you, but Berlusconi doesn't...
Posted by: d'Arc.LP Feb 21 2010, 06:09 PM
And I think we should get someone already better than Leonardo .
How can it be worse when he alredy is "NEWBIE" and don't know anything about football tactics.
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Feb 21 2010, 06:41 PM
How can it be worse when he alredy is "NEWBIE" and don't know anything about football tactics.
i think that is harsh but everyone has his own opinion
Posted by: Protagonist Feb 21 2010, 06:56 PM
Leo needs time. This season, we are almost touching 1st place in the standings and reached the last 16 of the Champions League. That by itself is a milestone by any standards, let alone for a rookie
Posted by: MizNelson Feb 21 2010, 09:49 PM
"Nelson does not have any fault in the three goals we suffered against Manchester." Right, then why isn't he playing today? Kiss off.
Posted by: amancik Feb 21 2010, 11:43 PM
The thing is Milan needed someone to change its football philosophy. He has done that to a great effect. Of course he's gonna show some inexperience here and there but most would agree that we are presently playing attractive football. To sack him this season would be a mistake. This is because I'm confident this squad will be stronger next season with a couple of additions to the team. Then, we can judge how good he really is.
Anyways, what did we expect? A coach who had no experience of coaching to suddenly win us UEFA CL and Scudetto?
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Feb 22 2010, 04:20 AM
+1.
It's stupid to sack him. And this team has shown a definite advancement from how it began. That's all you can ask really.
Posted by: Zed.D Feb 26 2010, 12:07 PM
Anyways, what did we expect? A coach who had no experience of coaching to suddenly win us UEFA CL and Scudetto?
+1
Posted by: CHU-LIP Feb 26 2010, 01:06 PM
So far I can give both pro and cons to Leonardo.
Pro's:
What he did with Ronaldinho (that he plays a good season now) (it REALLY helps both being Brazilian) +1
Changing the formation (with THIS squad it was needed: Ronaldinho) +1
MOST line-ups +1
The players he wanted (but didn't get) +1
The way we play when not missing important players (because of missing depth not always, but he is not the one to blame for that) +1
He's such a gentleman +1
Cons:
MOST subs -1
For some reason start players who are past it (Gattuso for example) rather than someone who obviously was a better fit for the game (Flamini for example) -1
I think he should rest/rotate more (Ambrosini for example) -1
I really like his potential, and for his first season I think he is doing a great job. QUESTION to those who want to see Leonardo sacked: who you like as coach then? (Just wondering, and interesting for a discussion maybe)
Posted by: d'Arc.LP Feb 26 2010, 03:13 PM
Pro's:
What he did with Ronaldinho (that he plays a good season now) (it REALLY helps both being Brazilian) +1
Changing the formation (with THIS squad it was needed: Ronaldinho) +1
MOST line-ups +1
The players he wanted (but didn't get) +1
The way we play when not missing important players (because of missing depth not always, but he is not the one to blame for that) +1
He's such a gentleman +1
Cons:
MOST subs -1
For some reason start players who are past it (Gattuso for example) rather than someone who obviously was a better fit for the game (Flamini for example) -1
I think he should rest/rotate more (Ambrosini for example) -1
I really like his potential, and for his first season I think he is doing a great job. QUESTION to those who want to see Leonardo sacked: who you like as coach then? (Just wondering, and interesting for a discussion maybe)
Prandelli , Mazzari or Ancelotti back. I want one of them .
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Feb 26 2010, 05:05 PM
I'm on the keep Leo side of things. Of course it could be beginner's luck, but I'm not so sure. I wanted him away until I saw the Madrid match.
Sacchi said it best: Leonardo is the only coach who has brought any tactical innovation to Serie A this season.
I think he can be a little more wily. But kudos to Galliani and team for getting two personnel especially to stare at tactics. This is precisely the kind of backroom support a new coach needs. We're doing it late, but I have to concede we're doing it well.
Posted by: CHU-LIP Feb 28 2010, 08:09 PM
I got another -1 for Leonardo... Ronaldinho as penalty kick taker... he missed 3 out of 8(?).....
I'll be mad if he still takes them after today... Leo, change the PK taker !!
Posted by: Zed.D Feb 28 2010, 09:47 PM
I guess it acts as a confidence booster so to strip him of penalty taking duties might not be the wisest thing to do.
I say pick 2-3 players and let them take penalties on a rotational basis.
Posted by: Fishdoll Feb 28 2010, 10:20 PM
btw, there's a rumor going around in italy (on tuttomercatoweb) that Leo will take the head coach job of Brazil after the world cup.
Posted by: CHU-LIP Feb 28 2010, 10:45 PM
Say what now?
It would be a loss to see Leonardo leave Milan. He is also a great scout. But at least Brazil NT is a reason where I can live with.
Posted by: Fishdoll Feb 28 2010, 10:52 PM
http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/milan/?action=read&idnotizia=18988
There's the article. But it's tuttomercatoweb - which is a 'read with caution' place, a lot of what they publish is unconfirmed.
Posted by: MizNelson Feb 28 2010, 11:26 PM
Not happening at all, unless Brazil truly screw the pooch this time around.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Mar 27 2010, 03:50 AM
"Balotelli? There is no competition for him between Inter and Milan, and frankly I don't know much about him," he told Sky TG24.
"I only said he has a nice face, especially when he wears the Rossoneri shirt."
Next, he commented on reports that coach Leonardo is considering stepping down at the end of the season.
"Yes, I hope [he stays]. There are also disagreements between the president and the coach, but it's not logical to reveal them," he suggested.
"In my dialogue with the coach I always tell my position and he responds with his, sometimes we get along and other times we don't.
"I suffer like all Milan fans when they don't win as we expect them to and I am the one investing the money."
Many pundits agree that Leonardo has done an admirable job with the Rossoneri, despite a limited transfer campaign last summer.
Meanwhile, Berlusconi lamented the injuries that the team suffered, as they recently missed an opportunity to leapfrog city-rivals Inter in the title race.
"The failure to overtake Inter? I'm sorry and sorry is the right word," he continued.
"I must say that Milan has been hit in several areas that now lack one of our pillars of play: [Alessandro] Nesta in defence, [David] Beckham in the middle, and [Alexandre] Pato forward.
"These are some of our most prestigious men and when they are removed the weight of this team is no longer the same."
Source: goal.com
LMAO @ the bolded part...
Posted by: Fishdoll Mar 27 2010, 03:55 AM
where's that from?
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Mar 27 2010, 06:49 AM
F@ck sorry...I forgot...it's goal.com; but the news report clearly mentions it's an interview on Sky TG24
Posted by: Zed.D Mar 27 2010, 09:19 AM
*pukes all over the place*
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Mar 27 2010, 11:33 AM
^^^
Cleaning that up is NOT a mod's job.
Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 27 2010, 11:42 AM
Milan coach Leonardo wants more decision making powers over several key aspects, including the transfer market, if he is to stay at the club.
Reports in Brazil have linked the coach with the national team job when Carlos Dunga leaves at the end of the World Cup and Silvio Berlusconi's recent complaints have only fuelled the speculation further.
However, Leonardo wants to stay, and he is expected to give the club the following five-point ultimatum, according to Il Corriere Dello Sport:
1: He wants to rejuvenate the squad. Out with the old, and in with the new. Young players who do not demand mega wage packets.
2: Leonardo wants more involvement on the transfer market. He was behind deals for Kaka, Thiago Silva and Alexandre Pato in the past, and he wants more decision-making powers. Last year he wanted Edin Dzeko and Luis Fabiano.
3: New rules on training. Leonardo has set morning sessions this season to ensure players do not have excessive mundane sessions. He plans to make things more severe next term.
4: He wants independence in his choices. He will no longer accept complaints from senior players like Gennaro Gattuso, Filippo Inzaghi, Clarence Seedorf, Gianluca Zambrotta or Mathieu Flamini. The players will need to accept the environment with more serenity.
5: Medical section. Milan's fair-share of injuries have worried the coach this season. He wants to adopt new measures in relation to the medical department at the club and he will intervene personally in certain circumstances.
goal.com
good, f*ck the mgmt. Its time changes were brought into effect, thank you leo! All of them are perfect and make sense.
Posted by: William405 Mar 27 2010, 12:19 PM
It's really is crazy that he was behind the deals of kaka,Alexandre pato and thiago silva,those were some of the best deals milan had in the last 5-10years
Posted by: Suhail 3 Mar 27 2010, 01:48 PM
Leonardo is one of the best things to ever happen to our club EVER ~ them 5 points made me smile now its down to the gold digger to answer forza leo forza milan
Posted by: Fishdoll Mar 27 2010, 02:27 PM
Corriere is a rome-based ragsheet and not really worth believing - even though there may be some basis in what was said.
Leo has been a very effective scout, yes. But really, don't people think they're going a bit overboard in the praise?
I also don't think making Leonardo god at Milanello is going to solve a lot of problems. Especially things like his inability to adapt to tactical situations during games - and that has cost us points.
If it were up to me, I'd thank him for his tactical shakeup of things and send him back to scouting. And hire a real coach for next year.
Posted by: han2503 Mar 27 2010, 02:59 PM
Leo has been a very effective scout, yes. But really, don't people think they're going a bit overboard in the praise?
I also don't think making Leonardo god at Milanello is going to solve a lot of problems. Especially things like his inability to adapt to tactical situations during games - and that has cost us points.
If it were up to me, I'd thank him for his tactical shakeup of things and send him back to scouting. And hire a real coach for next year.
Overboard with praise? The guy brought in one of the most iconic players in recent times for change, probably one of the most iconic players of the next generation in Pato when a lot of other teams wanted him and now Silva, who in his first season has already proved that he has what it takes to be world class material. I think he deserves more praise for all the work he's done for Milan behind the scenes.
Leo's problem is the squad, not the fact that he's notcapable to change tactics. He just doesn't have the personnel to make those changes you keep talking about. What Plan B do you expect from a man who has Rino, Ambro and Huntelaar on the bench???
Mourinho or Cappello wouldn't even be able to change tactics when they have a such a limited squad
Posted by: Fishdoll Mar 27 2010, 03:05 PM
I'm not denying he's a good scout, even a very good one. But 'the best thing to happen to Milan'? Not even close.
I just don't think he's a particularly good coach. And I do think that a good coach would be able to field something other than one rigid formation, especially if 1. the players are out of position in it and 2. there are alternatives. And yes, I think that's the case even with our less than stellar bench.
Posted by: Dracoris Mar 27 2010, 03:50 PM
He's already said in the past that he wouldn't go back to scouting if he left the head coach job. I'll look for the source but I doubt I'll find it its a couple months old.
Who knows, if this is fact or even somewhat fact, and these 5 points are granted to him, maybe he could be a dominant high class coach. I'd like to see Leo play 'his' squad and not the remains of 'Carlos' squad.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Mar 27 2010, 04:26 PM
+1.
Leo's not the best thing since sliced bread...but he's done nothing to be fired. And there really is no one available.
Even the brilliant Spalleti couldn't do much beyond his 4-2-3-1. The bane of any attacking formation is that once it's figured out, the team is susceptible to defeat.
A more defensive formation like the XMas tree, can be stopped, not as easily beaten.
Leo's formation depends too much on defensive stability, and width, and sadly we haven't been able to have that.
Posted by: Danny Mar 27 2010, 05:02 PM
I've proposed a number of alternative strategies Leo could use as a plan B/C/D if and when plan A doesn't work, and none of them involve Ambrosini going to defence.
That match at OT was the one time he did try something different, in going 3-4-3 I think it was. And it backfired badly.
He needs to have a bunch of alternative plans, and a more insightful knowledge of his squad's various versatilities.
Here's an example: Seedorf can be played in quite a few positions, such as left midfield, right midfield, trequartista, or even as left or right on a 3 prong attack. He could also play in Pirlo's position as a deep lying playmaker.
Pirlo could play any position in midfield, and also as a trequartista with his vision and skill on the ball.
Zambrotta could be an RM or an RB.
My point is that Leo is not making full use of what his squad can do when the chips are down. When everyone is played in their best position, and opposition teams know how to stop them, try shifting the team around and making a sub or two to accommodate it if needed, in order to mix it up to the opponent and try something they're not prepared for.
Another example of trying something different, would be a pair of strikers up front rather than a sole forward - try a partnership.
Because more often than not, opponents are prepared for Leo's plan A.
Posted by: han2503 Mar 27 2010, 09:12 PM
That match at OT was the one time he did try something different, in going 3-4-3 I think it was. And it backfired badly.
He needs to have a bunch of alternative plans, and a more insightful knowledge of his squad's various versatilities.
Here's an example: Seedorf can be played in quite a few positions, such as left midfield, right midfield, trequartista, or even as left or right on a 3 prong attack. He could also play in Pirlo's position as a deep lying playmaker.
Pirlo could play any position in midfield, and also as a trequartista with his vision and skill on the ball.
Zambrotta could be an RM or an RB.
My point is that Leo is not making full use of what his squad can do when the chips are down. When everyone is played in their best position, and opposition teams know how to stop them, try shifting the team around and making a sub or two to accommodate it if needed, in order to mix it up to the opponent and try something they're not prepared for.
Another example of trying something different, would be a pair of strikers up front rather than a sole forward - try a partnership.
Because more often than not, opponents are prepared for Leo's plan A.
A partnership with any of our forwards that does not involve Pato will backfire. Pippo-Bori, Pippo-Hunter, Bori-Hunter will never work, they just don't work well in a 2 man attack, that usually requires a supporting striker (Pato)
Posted by: Danny Mar 27 2010, 09:35 PM
tbh I subscribe to the notion that Borriello in particular works better alone, but what seriously is the harm in trying a partnership anyway if we're 2-1 down with 20 minutes to go?
Work on an understanding in training, try different things out, then have a bloody go at it when a plan B is needed.
And that applies over the board, not just a partnership up front.
Having only one rigid system is like a wolf trying to blow the pigs' house down when it doesn't work - you can play forever and not win.
Posted by: Fishdoll Mar 27 2010, 10:00 PM
THANK YOU.
+1
Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 27 2010, 10:03 PM
I love how you guys think that if we lose Leo its going to be a positive thing. Tell me, which manager in the world right now who is currently better than leo would take over this team?
I can just see it now:
Galliani:
"Well here is what we offer for you to coach milan"
"1.2 Million a season, yes we know mourinho earns 10x that but we have the family love and at the end of the day thats all you really need "
"20M euros max in the transfer market and we buy the players for you; you don't get a choice"
"A certain amount of playing time has to be given to the seniors because they've been here for 12123213132 years and we owe them loyalty"
" Also you can't pick your own coaching/medica/scouting staff. We provide that for you"
" Whenever silvio and I make a decision, you have to follow it. You get absoloutly no say in the decision making process. If pato has to go, he has to go. Play mancini instead, hes a true champion"
" Our veterans deserve the very best, thats why they will be given renewals with high wages. Dida and Inzaghi will be getting theres shortly "
---------
Please tell me because i'm very keen to know who the hell is willing to sign on the bottom line of this contract? I sure as hell know I would rip it up and spit in Galliani's face and walk out of the room.
Posted by: I_Rossoneri Mar 27 2010, 10:04 PM
Leo can't really be judged until he has the players he wants at his disposal. To be fair to him it is his first season, he was rushed into the job and he has suffered more than most with injuries and he is still in the hunt for Lo Scudetto. He obviously has a lot to learn(closing games down, etc), but I feel he is not doing too bad a job with the squad at his disposal - carlo couldn't do any better and he had Ricky!
Posted by: Danny Mar 27 2010, 10:08 PM
Blue, I'm not calling for his head - I am accepting his limitations up till now and suggesting ways he can improve.
A simple ability to learn some new formations and tactics the team can adopt in times of need.
We were very promising for a while last year, going on that run, but it floundered. So what if Leo had the ability to find a NEW winning formula? Trying different players, tactics, formations...?
But he seems unshakeable and that the 4-3-2-1 is the only system we'll use with 11 specific first choice players every time. Except in the case of injuries in which case inferior players get to try the same system.
Is it any wonder teams have figured us out?
Posted by: Danny Mar 27 2010, 10:13 PM
Ricky sucked for us after 2007. By all accounts it's taken him 8 months to gain some form since his move to Madrid.
Back to the topic though, you're right how he was pitched in at the deep end with no preparation, and under those circumstances I truly admire how well he's done.
But if we're to go beyond being nearly men as a good team with a good manager rather than great on both counts then Leo needs to learn how to deal with adversity better than he does.
How often do you see him with his hand at his jaw and his fingers at his lips looking very thoughtful when clearly he really doesn't know how to change things so this paltry performance picks up.
I can truly say I don't trust him when we're stuttering and he has to deliver a great team talk at half time - I don't think he really knows what to say to motivate the players.
The experienced managers know how to instill belief, and how to change what isn't working - Leo needs to learn that ability and quickly.
Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 27 2010, 10:19 PM
A simple ability to learn some new formations and tactics the team can adopt in times of need.
We were very promising for a while last year, going on that run, but it floundered. So what if Leo had the ability to find a NEW winning formula? Trying different players, tactics, formations...?
But he seems unshakeable and that the 4-3-2-1 is the only system we'll use with 11 specific first choice players every time. Except in the case of injuries in which case inferior players get to try the same system.
Is it any wonder teams have figured us out?
The thing people here have to realise that coaching a team is not like playing Fifa. You cannot simply change the formation and expect it to work. Coaching a formation or playing style usually takes place in the pre-season where the players train everyday and then use freindlies to make adjustments
You cannot do a new formation during the season simply because you do not have enough time. Top managers usually have 2 formations under their belt. The first one, which they play in the league and the second they use in Champions league. Now in order to achieve that you need to have a few years at the club so you can build that foundation. Second you need to have the players at your disposal to be able to make your ideas flourish.
Coaches are not machines. They cannot simply look at a team and make it work. There are very few in the world who are capable of this and the best i've seen would be guus hiddink and even he's not that great at it.
You need time, the right squad and support in order to be successful. Leo has a certain style he wants to play and coach and right now we do not have the players for his style. Can he change, can he adapt? Not likely.
You cannot make Pato into a WC defender, just like you can't make Leo into a defensive minded coach like Carlo. He's always going to want to play the free flow football that you have seen so far this season. Thats just who he is and that is not going to change.
So in reality we have two choices. Fire him and look for someone who is willing to work with the current not so good players (insulting players is against the new guidelines, LaPalma) we have on our team or we let him sign his own players and see what he can do.
Posted by: Fishdoll Mar 27 2010, 10:23 PM
Wow. Calling out players trash? A bit harsh.
And what must also be kept in mind is that no coach has had carte blanche at Milan to bring in whoever they wanted- not Ancelotti, or Capello, or Trap, or Sacchi. I doubt that particular facet is likely to change.
Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 27 2010, 10:25 PM
I can truly say I don't trust him when we're stuttering and he has to deliver a great team talk at half time - I don't think he really knows what to say to motivate the players.
The experienced managers know how to instill belief, and how to change what isn't working - Leo needs to learn that ability and quickly.
What your talking about is making adjustments. In order to do this you have to have the players at your disposal and time in order to make those players understand your system. If Leo had say 3 players of his choice on the bench that he signed, I can assure you that he would be able to make adjustments accordingly.
But its hard when you have to deal with players who don't really play your style of football. If borri who can barely play Leo's style of football sh*ts the bed; does he have a fabiano on the bench to look to? No he has huntelaar and Inzaghi, two forewards who will never ever be able to play his style. That is why you see him with his hands on his jaws. I do the same thing, it means, what the f*ck do I do now.
Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 27 2010, 10:28 PM
And what must also be kept in mind is that no coach has had carte blanche at Milan to bring in whoever they wanted- not Ancelotti, or Capello, or Trap, or Sacchi. I doubt that particular facet is likely to change.
Really? your gonna compare their teams to leo's team; Do you really want to pull up the list they had and make comparisions to leo's?
Also the majority of our squad is worthless trash that should not be playing on a top team.
Inzaghi
Janku
Oddo
Zambrotta
Kaladze
Favalli
Dida
Roma
Gattuso
Huntelaar
Borriello
Mancini
Abate
Should not be on a team of Milan's calibre and thats not even the sad part. The sad part is that our squad has 20 players in it and 14 of them should not be there.
Posted by: Fishdoll Mar 27 2010, 10:40 PM
You didn't address the actual point of my post.
I don't really care if you think most of the team is trash.
Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 27 2010, 11:07 PM
I don't really care if you think most of the team is trash.
Your point is that even the greats were given the squad they were given and they had to suck it up and work with what they had right???
But lets look at the squds they recieved. MVB, Rijk, Gull; Nesta/Inzaghi/Sheva/Kaka, Leo/Boban/Savevic/Maldini/stam/costacurta/cafu/Rui Costa/Pirlo/gattuso/seedorf etc etc (all players who were at their best years and were considered prime players)
Can you really compare them borriello, hunt, pato, silva, abate who are considered our prime players????
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also thats nice of you to say how you feel about my opinion on a forum
Posted by: Danny Mar 27 2010, 11:28 PM
I don't play Fifa
You cannot do a new formation during the season simply because you do not have enough time. Top managers usually have 2 formations under their belt. The first one, which they play in the league and the second they use in Champions league. Now in order to achieve that you need to have a few years at the club so you can build that foundation. Second you need to have the players at your disposal to be able to make your ideas flourish.
SAF has about 800 formations. Today he played Berbatov up front alone in a 4-2-3-1. He also plays a 4-4-2 and a 4-3-3 and sometimes uses 4-5-1. He mixes it up and that's even when his squad is down to barebones like it was a few months ago when he had Carrick playing as a defender.
You need time, the right squad and support in order to be successful. Leo has a certain style he wants to play and coach and right now we do not have the players for his style. Can he change, can he adapt? Not likely.
His 'style' is the problem that we're banging on about - his style was the 4-3-2-1 which worked so well but now doesn't. So what, do we just sit around watching the side lose because our coach can't come up with anything else?
I don't accept that and neither should anyone else. He'd paid to manage us, not to oversee one formation and just hope it works.
You're totally missing the point. Hell I suggested a 3-4-3 attacking formation. It's not about the TYPE of football he refuses to shift from, it's the notion of altering a system when it doesn't work as and when required.
I wouldn't even call Abbati trash Blue, that seems really unfair. They're honest guys doing their best - some might not be good enough but it doesn't warrant such a comparison.
As for your point, I think we have another choice - the one I've suggested where he learns alternative systems.
Posted by: Danny Mar 27 2010, 11:33 PM
That's what training is supposed to do. Team meetings, where systems are laid out and implemented.
If Leo can't do this, no matter what players he has or hasn't, then he should not be in the job.
I think that's a crock tbh. You're blaming all of the deficiencies on the fact he hasn't been able to bring in his own players? Surely a manager is capable of using what he has at his disposal - and let's face it, Ambro, Pirlo, Seedorf, Borriello, Hunter...this is not a rubbish group of players - a good manager can make even an average group play well.
One funny thing I have to point is you keep harping on about his style, yet this is his first management job. What exactly IS his style, since he doesn't seem to know what it is himself...
And I don't want my manager to say that.
Posted by: servbot Mar 28 2010, 12:03 AM
I don't know if Leo is a great coach or tactician or not, I don't have nearly enough football experience to know, but I think we would all agree that this team has overachieved this season overall, which can't be a mark against their coach.
Posted by: Fishdoll Mar 28 2010, 01:13 AM
Exactly. So expecting Leonardo to be given full reign to design his team and buy who he wants is unrealistic and is highly unlikely to happen.
Posted by: Dracoris Mar 28 2010, 01:52 AM
Servbot is exactly right. This team has overachieved this season and that should count for a lot.
Danny, all of your suggestions seem to assume Seedorf can play a full 90 mins without digging a grave in midfield and laying in it. You also want to put Ronaldinho in the hole (I seem to remember you saying that, it was a lot to read and remember )and let him direct the strikers like a trequartista, not gonna happen. We worked that all summer and got blown out. The guy plays his best ball on the left touchline, where he won a lot of awards. You also assume that switching formations on a whim is a good thing. Every sport you look at, coaches have their go to formation. For a football coach it might be the I-form or shotgun, for a basketball coach it might be zone defense, for Leo its the 4-3-3. (Technically its not but there are 3 mids and 3 'strikers') Urban Myer never ever lined Tim Tebow up under center and they won 2 National Titles and numerous SEC titles during Tebow's 4 year tenure.
The point Blue is trying to get across (or so I think) is that the 4-3-3 is not the problem. The problem is, Leo was granted a squad built for playing defensive, slow pace soccer. Leo is an attacking, fast paced coach. That IS his style, and he knows what his style is, that was silly to say he doesn't. The players who do fit this system, ex. Ronnie and Pato (possibly even Ambro and Flam), are having stellar seasons.
He's not the best coach in the world, no doubt. But he does not deserve to be replaced, and he is exactly what the Serie A is begging for. If we can get him what he needs to succeed (Players to fit the 4-3-3) then who knows what could happen. AC Milan needs massive change to compete and catch up with Europe's best, and I believe Leo is trying to do that. Its time for the management to let go of the leash and let the dog walk himself.
P.S. I'd just like to say that debating like this with you guys is one of the bright points of my day. Everyone where I am from is your typical Football(Soccer) hater or a bandwagon Manchester fan. I feel like a fish out of water and its really good to talk Footy with intelligent, AC Milan loving people, so thanks!!
Posted by: Fishdoll Mar 28 2010, 02:10 AM
I have a spare tank you can borrow if you like! Only thing is, it's filled with single-malt whisky.
Posted by: Dracoris Mar 28 2010, 03:04 AM
Oh dear, you'd definitely find me belly up in the morning.
Posted by: MizNelson Mar 28 2010, 03:53 AM
That's even more pathetic than you calling the players trash.
Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 28 2010, 03:54 AM
???
Why cause I said Dida isn't worthy of milan LOL???
Our club went from Dutch legends to kaladze and favalli LOL
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Mar 28 2010, 06:43 AM
Ignoring blue calling the players trash..I think in the words of Jose Mourinho he meant to say we were a bad omelette
But a point to make, about Danny's thing about SAF...he has only 2 formations like Bluey mentioned: 4-4-2 and 4-5-1.
The thing is both these formations are inherently flexible during game time. So sometimes you will see it miraculously become a 4-3-1-2 and sometimes a 4-2-3-1, and sometimes even a 4-1-4-1. The whole concept is, a team starts out one way, but then have enough players to make the changes in-game.
Even when SAF brings in substitutes, they're rarely HUGE departures from the players he put on in the first place. For eg. He might take off Nani, and put in Park. But Park will continue to play on the left, except Park's plus is in his graft and not his guile.
Also the reason why sometimes Park starts in the middle, along with Carrick, at which point, Nani and Valencia are told to go crazy since Park covers the space they leave. Sometimes Rooney is sole striker, sometimes Scholes/Giggs play in the hole, sometimes Rooney plays in the hole to supply Berbatov (if they have two strikers)...but most of this happens in match.
Now the whole problem with Milan is it is still Carlo's team. Meant to play a 4-3-1-2 or a 4-3-2-1. And both of them depended on Kaka. Sometimes Kaka was a second CAM, sometimes he was SS, with Seedorf moving into the hole. It was limited, but till Kaka's huge dip after the injury it was still very strong.
Leo has tried to make a new system a 4-3-3. Even that changes during the match. Only r80 really has that free role on the left. Sometimes you see Pirlo push up to be treqqie (which is when I feel we are most lethal). You have Flamini and/or Ambro sometimes holding back as DM (when Pirlo is up)...or sometimes rushing into the box, when Pirlo is marked and the box is congested.
You would have Beckham playing a RW, and then suddenly drifting into the middle to find Pato, since Pato cuts into the box as well. And then there's the very Brazillian thing of having T.Silva rush the opponent's half. Suddenly making it one more extra man in the half, which can be very deadly.
All these things don't just come up like snap. They require a lot of work in training to make all these various chemistries work. And they have worked. It doesn't help when all of a sudden, the players who give you the strength and the flexibility are out. It's like the ground gets pulled beneath your feet. I'm talking of: Nesta, Pato, Beckham mainly. Seedorf got injured just before that XMas period when he was just playing terrific. Borriello would get injured when we needed him the most. And now that he's fit, he's not doing what he used to. Nesta being injured means that Silva can't push in like he did, leaving Favalli on his own, and if he does, we're susceptible to the counter attack. Favalli's positioning is good, but not even close to Nesta-level.
You don't think the chemistry between R80 and Antonini just happened did you? Antonini is not even someone who I'd call gifted. It's obviously training.
Do we need tactical flexibility for this team, yes. But we don't have the players. Right now it's kind of like making a truck engine go fast. And Leo has done all the tuning he can.
When you say alternate formations you're falling into the trap of 'anything but this'. Often that 'anything' turns out much worse. How many times in Italy do you see one coach being fired, and then they hire another only to fire him and get the old one back? And no it's not just Zamparini. You have Udinese etc. do it as well.
We started the season with the 4-3-1-2...btw..which is exactly the formation you have suggested for this match. Seedorf on the right, and cutting in the middle, R80 playing as SS or in the hole, or on the left. We got KILLED. If we hadn't started with it and instead with the 4-3-3, we'd be top of the table right now. But it took Leo about 3 months during an active season to find this new formation, and he did.
I think he's done a great job..and he should stay. His points (if they're true) are valid and reasonable. In fact I suspect that's why Carlo left as well. When Galliani says we had a discussion with 'my friend Carlo' on the direction that we wanted the team to take, and decided to part ways amicably...I'm pretty sure this is what it is.
Carlo probably said, I don't have the system to play R80, give me Ribery or something like that.
Great coaches, will always want the players to suit their system. Mourinho has done that this season, and he's managed to go one round further than last year in CL. The scudetto last season was nothing. Most of the teams were still weak.
And to end: Sacchi said, Leo is the only coach to have brought any tactical innovation in this year's league. That's good enough for me.
Posted by: Zed.D Mar 28 2010, 10:18 AM
Thank you Dracoris and Jack - spot on.
I can't see how what you guys said can be argued.
Posted by: han2503 Mar 28 2010, 12:27 PM
Drocaris and Jackie. SPOT ON
Agree 100% with you. The problem is not the coach, it's the management, and it has been the problem for a while now. Silvio and Galliani have run us into the ground, Leo managed to make a mediocre team look, at times, untouchable this season, he should be given a meddle for what he's managed to achieve this season, as his first coaching experiance non-the-less
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Mar 28 2010, 06:38 PM
Agree 100% with you. The problem is not the coach, it's the management, and it has been the problem for a while now. Silvio and Galliani have run us into the ground, Leo managed to make a mediocre team look, at times, untouchable this season, he should be given a meddle for what he's managed to achieve this season, as his first coaching experiance non-the-less
That's Dracoris...and I'm Bruce Lee not Jackie Chan.
You mean medal,not meddle. Silvio meddles, Galliani gives medals (for 200th appearance and all that)...
It's too early for you to be drinking kiddo...your birthday is over, you can stop now.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Mar 28 2010, 06:45 PM
Which club were they? L.A Galaxy?The correct term is tempo-controlling possession football, but you're American.
Are you a hot chick? We can go out on a date if you are.EDIT: Does anyone know how Leo speaks such good English?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wFSLmt2k6c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYs5inGE9OQ
I think he speaks better English than Jean Claude Van Damme.
Posted by: Dracoris Mar 28 2010, 07:18 PM
If I am a chick then I have been living a lie for quite some time. Haha
-- Tebow and Meyer are references to NCAA Football here in America, Tebow (the quarterback) and Meyer (the coach) created one of the most successful NCAA Football teams to date. And thats saying a lot because I support a rival team haha.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Mar 28 2010, 07:23 PM
Oh? Which team was that? Notre Dame? (It's the only college team I know)
I guess it means you're a guy then! Big fat bummer!
Posted by: Fishdoll Mar 29 2010, 02:01 AM
Hrm. Watching Domenica Sportiva on RAI. They've just done a post-game interview with Leonardo. He was asked whether his future would be his decision, taken with Galliani, etc etc. And refused to respond, saying that he'll talk about his future when it's more important than the future but right now the future is more important.
Posted by: dst Mar 29 2010, 11:14 AM
What?
Posted by: servbot Mar 29 2010, 07:15 PM
Well, in an ESPN article today, Leo says that Milan are still the favourites to win the Scudetto, and while I think they could still do it, that implies that they both are the favourites and were always the favourites. That doesn't make any sense either, so maybe he's becoming delusional.
Posted by: Fishdoll Mar 29 2010, 07:22 PM
Then someone put words in his mouth. Bad journalism from ESPN. What he said was that Milan are still in the mix and that it's been a strange season with everyone making missteps.
Posted by: Dracoris Mar 29 2010, 07:59 PM
I guess it means you're a guy then! Big fat bummer!
Its Florida University
Posted by: servbot Mar 29 2010, 08:52 PM
Since ESPN is bad journalism even on the domestic sports they cover the most, it all makes sense now.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Sep 5 2010, 03:51 PM
Leo is 41 today. Happy Birthday and thanks for everything.
Posted by: acid911 Sep 5 2010, 04:34 PM
Thank you Jack. And Grande Leo! Happy Birthday, you don't look a day over 25, LOL!
Posted by: Jack Bauer Sep 5 2010, 05:09 PM
And Grande Leo! Happy Birthday, you don't look a day over 25, LOL!He does look almost exactly like he did during his playing days
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 5 2010, 05:53 PM
Happy b-day to a really great man!
Posted by: acid911 Sep 5 2010, 06:15 PM
Yeah, he's held on well.
Probably takes good care of himself and hits the gym regularly. That along with his lush hair and beady little eyes, and he looks quite the same as he did when he played for Milan (the last couple of seasons). For a different (read younger looking) Leonardo we will have to look at the footage of his World Cup 98 matches!
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Sep 5 2010, 06:22 PM
Happy B'day to Leo.
Still wish he could have been with us a scout /advisor or whatnot though. 
Posted by: MizNelson Sep 5 2010, 07:07 PM
Probably takes good care of himself and hits the gym regularly. That along with his lush hair and beady little eyes, and he looks quite the same as he did when he played for Milan (the last couple of seasons).He coached Milan for only one year. This club turned Carlo gray completely by the time he left.
Posted by: acid911 Sep 5 2010, 07:38 PM
True, that.
Posted by: Linkman Sep 5 2010, 08:33 PM
If I had known Leo as a coach meant losing him as a scout... .-.
Happy Birthday, Leo.
Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 5 2010, 08:35 PM
That was what I feared when he became our coach. It kinda looked inevitable...
Posted by: Linkman Sep 5 2010, 08:39 PM
He had been with us for what, over ten years? I figured even if he didn't work as coach, we'd just put him back on scouting.
(imo he did a fine job as coach but maybe we shouldn't get into that discussion again)
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 6 2010, 11:23 AM
I'm not so sure. IMO he was an amateur coach who made some rookie errors and funny decisions. Saying he had a weaker team without depth and his key players got injured isn't enough. It wasn't enough for Ancelotti, why the double standards so suddenly?
Posted by: Jack Bauer Sep 18 2010, 11:37 AM
Former Milan Coach Leonardo launched a stinging attack on “narcissistic” President Silvio Berlusconi and left the door open to join Inter.
The Brazilian spent the last 13 years with the Rossoneri as player, talent scout, director and finally Coach before walking away this summer.
“I never would’ve left after 13 years because of simply tactical reasons, especially as now Milan are playing in much the same way,” he told the Gazzetta dello Sport.
“I made the decision to leave, giving up on a year’s wages in my contract so that I’d go in the best possible way.
“I left because of an incompatibility of character and style. These are all things I told to the President. Narcissus doesn’t like anything that is not a reflection of himself.
“There has to be something within Berlusconi that isn’t quite right. It’s impossible to co-exist with the President. He has another style of dealing with things and I don’t know why he criticised me so much during Massimiliano Allegri's presentation. Something's not right with that man.
“Allegri has a tough job and I hope he is left the time and space to work, otherwise in a year the club will get another Coach. It isn’t the Milan way to keep changing management like this.”
Leonardo also reveals he wanted to play a role in Brazil’s approach to the 2014 World Cup, where they will be the hosts.
“I said I was ready to help, without specifying a role. It’s a special World Cup for my country, but nobody ever got back to me. Therefore this season I’ll commentate on the Champions League for Sky in the UK and Canal Plus in France.
“I would like to work in England, where the role of manager allows a comprehensive control over the sporting product, rather than the Serie A Coach. I will spend a lot of time in England this year.”
There is also an intriguing option in Italy of a return to San Siro, as some linked Leo with a future on the Inter bench.
“I’ve known Massimo Moratti for years and we always had an affectionate rapport. Never say never...
“Milan was so much for me as a player, director and Coach. At one point during the 13 years I thought it would be my eternity. This year I must change and see things with neutral eyes, not those of a Milanista.”
http://www.football-italia.net/sep18h.html
Can't say I disagree with him...
Posted by: agenth Sep 18 2010, 01:48 PM
that makes me so sad.
I mean "never say never", indeed, but to Inter?
That would really hurt me.
I guess working for Moratti would be easier in some terms, but still...
I wish Leonardo all the luck in England, though
Posted by: han2503 Sep 18 2010, 02:18 PM
I mean "never say never", indeed, but to Inter?
That would really hurt me.
I guess working for Moratti would be easier in some terms, but still...
I wish Leonardo all the luck in England, though
I think Leo was really hurt at how the club treated him during his time as coach. This is the same scenario as the one with Paolo. Who has distanced himself big time from the club
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 18 2010, 03:17 PM
Club = Berlusconi. He had splendid relations with everyone, especially with Galliani. Berlusca was the one who didn't like Leo. There's an exclusive interview at La Gazzetta today with him.
http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/18-09-2010/frecce-leonardo-711170684956.shtml
Posted by: agenth Sep 18 2010, 04:08 PM
I know. and it really hurts to see how Berlusconi treats our legends.
It's just sad for us fans, because we can't do anything about it.
Except about Paolo, that was 'us fans', not really Berlusconi's fault.
I still am angry about what those ultras did. It was not only unrespectable, but pure blasphemy.
I just don't want to lose legends and make them resent us, make them question, why they spend their whole football life in Milan, when in the end you regret it.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 18 2010, 04:57 PM
http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/18-09-2010/frecce-leonardo-711170684956.shtml
Atm Berlu represents the entire club, he pulls the strings, distancing yourself from Silvio means distancing yourself from the club as well.
It's just sad for us fans, because we can't do anything about it.
Except about Paolo, that was 'us fans', not really Berlusconi's fault.
I still am angry about what those ultras did. It was not only unrespectable, but pure blasphemy.
I just don't want to lose legends and make them resent us, make them question, why they spend their whole football life in Milan, when in the end you regret it.
It wasn't fans, it was the Ultras, who imo aren't really fans but whatever, the real fans cheered Paolo on that day. The problem Paolo and fans had with the management was because they didn't take any action against the Ultras. They went along with it, when Paolo only did the things he did to cover B&G's @sses and out of respect for them
Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 18 2010, 04:59 PM
Berlusconi is a narcissistic?
Posted by: han2503 Sep 18 2010, 05:06 PM
Is that sarcasm?
Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 18 2010, 05:10 PM
maaaaybe
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Sep 18 2010, 05:44 PM
Such a successful coach
Posted by: Linkman Sep 18 2010, 06:05 PM
He does have a point in saying Allegri basically picked up his style and continued it...
Leo wasn't the best coach ever (after all, it was his first season), but he wasn't half bad and had plenty of room to improve. Now if had got this season's squad and still managed only a 3rd place finish... I'd be calling for his head too. But with the squad he had last year? The man deserves our applause.
Posted by: agenth Sep 18 2010, 06:44 PM
It wasn't fans, it was the Ultras, who imo aren't really fans but whatever, the real fans cheered Paolo on that day. The problem Paolo and fans had with the management was because they didn't take any action against the Ultras. They went along with it, when Paolo only did the things he did to cover B&G's @sses and out of respect for them
Why arent ultras fans?
I think paolo and the club at least think ultras are the fans.. since they are in the stadium.
That day was really horrible. Imagine you spend ur whole life working for one firm, boss, and then he screws u over with ir retirement package..
Ul
Posted by: han2503 Sep 18 2010, 06:51 PM
I think paolo and the club at least think ultras are the fans.. since they are in the stadium.
That day was really horrible. Imagine you spend ur whole life working for one firm, boss, and then he screws u over with ir retirement package..
Ul
I'm not going to really get into it, because it will stir up another huge debate. but imo they're nothing but thugs looking for trouble, using the club to voice their misguided oppinions.
B&G should have stood up for Paolo, simple, but they chose not to
Posted by: dst Sep 18 2010, 08:36 PM
it's sad what he said... I can't believe Berlusconi treated him like that after all that he's done for Milan.
Posted by: servbot Sep 18 2010, 09:01 PM
I'm pretty sure Leo saying he could go to Inter is just a professional way of keeping his options open. It'd be pretty foolish to burn a bridge before even getting another management job.
Posted by: acid911 Sep 18 2010, 10:52 PM
True.
And we don't even know what Mr. B said to him behind closed doors (hopefully Leo writes a book a few years down the road). Even the commentator in today's match was saying that if Berlusconi had his way he would play 5 attacking players. Always goes for glory that showoff.I don't want to say too many negative things of Berlusconi, but sometimes keeping one's feet on the ground works wonders, particularly in football. This isn't the age of Gladiators.
Even if we had bought another 2-3 world class players this season, they still would have taken time to gel. Team chemistry takes time, always has. If he was so concerned with the results, then maybe he should have stopped Galliani from signing stupid extensions to our aging midfield, and invested in rebuilding a season or two back. Not to mention bringing in clowns like Mancini (sorry, about that, I rather like that guy, but he has no place in a top tier club like Milan or even inter). Players like these are best suited to Europe League level teams.I am sure Leo isn't a saint, he made more than a few mistakes, but really, as the owner of the club Mr. B should have known better. Not just from the point of view of the management, but from past experience as well.
Posted by: MizNelson Sep 19 2010, 09:38 AM
Response from Galliani:
Sunday 19 September, 2010
Adriano Galliani hit back at Leonardo’s claims President Silvio Berlusconi is ‘narcissistic’ and “will not forgive him if he joins Inter.”
The former Milan Coach laid into the club and above all President Berlusconi in an interview with the Gazzetta dello Sport on Saturday.
“I have been working with Berlusconi for over 30 years and he accepts any kind of exchange of ideas with me,” insisted Vice-President Galliani.
“Over three decades we have debated, talked and explained. In 30 years, first working in television and then football, I’ve never heard him say: ‘We’ll do it that way because I said so.’
“I called Leonardo after reading that interview. We have worked together for 13 years and are great friends.”
Although he can debate the issue of Berlusconi’s management style, Galliani put his foot down on one issue.
“In that interview, Leonardo said ‘never say never’ and ‘if I go to Inter, I hope Galliani can forgive me.’
“I told him absolutely not! Are we ruling out Leonardo’s future at Inter? No, but we are ruling out my forgiveness!
“Of course I’m joking; let’s not get dramatic about things.”
In regards to the last sentence, I truly doubt that's the case. Just my P's and Q's.
Posted by: Bluesummers Sep 19 2010, 09:48 AM
nah he won't go. If gets a job it'll be in the EPL. He wants full control of the team and in Italy it won't be any different with morrati.
I can see him coaching west ham or something along those lines.
Posted by: Zed.D Sep 19 2010, 11:25 AM
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 19 2010, 07:15 PM
I wouldn't blame Leo for going.
The management gave him absoloutely no support all season long and basically just criticised him, then despite having a good season they get rid of him. Everyone wants 'revenge' on people that wrong them, so I wouldn't blame him for going to Inter at all.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 19 2010, 07:47 PM
Milan and Berlusconi saved his career, he should remember.
Posted by: Linkman Sep 19 2010, 07:57 PM
13 years of work seem more than enough compensation.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Sep 19 2010, 08:16 PM
Maybe the spotlight got the best of him
Posted by: han2503 Sep 19 2010, 08:40 PM
Oh come on!!!
Leo was never treated fairly as a coach. Allegri suddenly gets appointed and Silvio decides to open his wallet...
Imo, Silvio never really wanted Leo as coach, Galliani did. For whatever reason Silvio relented, but made Leo's life as Milan coach a living hell along the way
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Sep 19 2010, 09:52 PM
Leo was never treated fairly as a coach. Allegri suddenly gets appointed and Silvio decides to open his wallet...
Imo, Silvio never really wanted Leo as coach, Galliani did. For whatever reason Silvio relented, but made Leo's life as Milan coach a living hell along the way
With all due respect .. how did you come to that assessment of the situation?
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 19 2010, 10:21 PM
Leo was never treated fairly as a coach. Allegri suddenly gets appointed and Silvio decides to open his wallet...
Imo, Silvio never really wanted Leo as coach, Galliani did. For whatever reason Silvio relented, but made Leo's life as Milan coach a living hell along the way
Or maybe Silvo wanted a real coach not an amateur rookie. Anyway, I don't buy the poor little Leonardo story, he was adored by Berlusconi as a player, coaches like Zaccheroni were forced to play him even if he underperformed and finally, like Ibrahim Ba he was resigned by Milan on pure simpaty, ending his career with a fine paycheck.
Fazit - Milan is better without him. He allways should have stayed a scout.
Posted by: Zed.D Sep 19 2010, 10:24 PM
Like Allegri? (no sarcasm or anything intended. this is one simple, innocent question!)
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 19 2010, 10:37 PM
Yes, someone who actually coached clubs before.
Posted by: Bluesummers Sep 19 2010, 10:37 PM
Allegri came with 2 serie A coaches of the year and recommendations from alot of high ranked officals in italy.
Leonardo didn't come with anything. He was lucky to get his UEFA A as he was basically mercy passed. There are major differences between the two.
Though I will admit i still love leo and wish he was our coach <3
Posted by: han2503 Sep 19 2010, 10:45 PM
It's pretty obvious isn't it? It played out right before us last season and went on all through summer with Silvio throwing back handed remarks at every opportunity.
Imo Leo was only drafted in because he was the inside man. I don't know what happened with Carlo, whether he was the one who wanted to leave and left the management with a tough choice to replace him, so chose Leonardo. Silvio tends to clash with a lot of his coaches, simply because he likes to involve himself with how the team should play etc, etc. Him and Carlo didn't have the best of relationship either. With Silvio throwing in a nasty comment here and there when things weren't done his way and Carlo trying to brush it off as best he could, always praising Silvio and saying this and that to keep things calm.
Imo Leo was the inside man, but when he didn't listen to what Silvio wanted, which definately wasn't the 4-3-3, Silvio wanted him out ASAP.
Whether or not Silvio liked Leo as a player doesn't really matter, it's a whole other story, ex, if Van Basten ever came to coach Milan there would be a massive clash between the 2 as VB is a very strong willed character, Silvio doesn't deal well with that, isn't that why he had problems with both Cappello and Sacchi at some point?
Posted by: MizNelson Sep 19 2010, 11:03 PM
Please, I spit up a little in my mouth every time I hear that name. Quite possibly the biggest waste of money in the past few years who wasn't named Digao.
Posted by: Bluesummers Sep 19 2010, 11:27 PM
+1
Posted by: acid911 Sep 20 2010, 01:12 AM
Then he probably should have.
I remember pundits and former players all praising Leo in the first half of the season, saying he was the only one who brought tactical innovation to Serie A. I reckon I read a Sacchi interview in Football Italia saying he was very pleased with how Leonardo managed things. Not just that, the media (Italian and World) was all over Leo for standing up to Berlusconi.It was when we reached 2nd place during a very successful run when Leo issued his 5-point ultimatum.
And by golly he was right with what he said and wanted. Out with the old players, and in with the new and whatnot. Most people were praising him after that. Then injuries hit (Nesta and Pato in particular), and he started showing inexperience (if that's what you want to call it). Frankly the last few matches were a total mess, with Huntelaar playing as a winger, and well the less we talk about those the better.I am not for one instance saying Leo was a miracle man, or the greatest thing to happen to the club, far from it. And he had a lot of flaws too, not playing youngsters, technically somewhat naive, playing 4-3-3 even though he did not have the required personal for it (when it worked, it worked wonders, when it didn't it was worse than a slap in the face). And these are just some of his faults. Speaking of which he also had the 2nd biggest hand in ruining Hunts time in Milan (the first being the player himself).
The Hunter should be in the penalty box most of the 90 minutes, not wandering out of it. His job was to finish any through ball and put them in the back of the net, not playing Mr. Wingman.But fact of the matter is that he did not get a single player he wanted (in fact barely got any reinforcement), lost the club icon (Maldini) and face (Kaka) before playing his first match, had to work with a chubby Ronaldinho, along with the saggy midfield. Let's face it, I was proud of our midfield up till the 2007 season, being on record saying that it was the best in Europe, and now I am practically willing to give a two-finger salute to the old guard (Ambro, Gattuo, Seedorf and I hate saying this, Pirlo).
It's not their fault that they are still starting, and that their performance has been going downhill after every match, but at any other big club they'd make the second string backups. The way other 3rd class teams counter us and carve our midfield like unsalted butter makes my heart cringe. Sure it's got to do with both the formation, but the players aren't helping are they?Getting back to Leo, would I have taken him for another season with these signings? Yes, probably, but only if he made certain changes to his tactics, learned from his experience, and was willing to be a bit more accommodating when it came to formations. If not, then there always are, and will be better coaches available. For all intent and purposes Allegri isn't one of them. Twice coach of the year means nothing, seeing as Leo was one for the previous season.
It's what you do with it. And so far Allegri has just been taking Leo's style and has already looked lost. Early times I know, and I am more than willing to cut him a lot of slack and truth be told, my slate for Allegri is clean and will be till the end of the season. That's the time to judge, not now.Leo with a team like this could have accomplished much more (or could not, there is no way to know). I'd be willing to be the farmhouse that if our new coach had the same old team (as in no singing this summer), then we'd have to be the luckiest club in the world to finish 4th. All our players would have been a year older, while teams like Palermo and Samp have grown stronger, they'd be a shoe in for the CL spots along with Roma and inter. If anything I am happy that Allegri got all these new toys to play with, but in reality it could make things 10x more difficult for him if things don't work out. The pressure is immense, though I have been impressed with how he is coping with it for the time being.
I never was a fan of Leo either as a player, or even a coach (didn't quite get to see his play very often). But at least he secured us 3rd place, and did the minimum, which is more than what could be said of our former friend and ally that goes by the name of Carlo. I mean 5th place for Pete's sake with a two years younger team with Kaka in it. A terribly weakened Juventus finished third with 72 points while we could muster just 64. A team that won the CL a year back fails to qualify next season, and that too in a weakened Serie A. LOL, that's rich!
Remember how he lost two consecutive with Juventus, one to Lazio and other Roma? I do not take back what Carlo accomplished with us (seeing as how things were when he first signed), he did good. Two points was the difference, many of the two points Carlo gave away on the road playing either too defensively or with joke of players such as Emerson (who he himself wanted, albeit a few years earlier). Rookie coach you say? Well that rookie just saved us from another humiliation of missing the CL twice in three years. And besides, how many rookies get a chance to manage a Top 5 club in world football and live to tell the tale (this side of Pep, of course). He won a bronze, and maybe with better luck and or tactical knowledge could have made a case for silver or gold. Not saying we deserved gold, or even silver, the squad and team had their faults.Anyway, in my opinion coaches are terribly overrated anyways, the real coaches are one the ones that people ride on when they travel. There have been some pretty good ones in world football over the history, but for me the best coach is that accomplishes two things - iron out and work around the weak areas of a team, and motivate the players to go beyond what they are capable of. A bit of man management always helps. For club football, the two primary things that matter are the management and the players themselves who fight it out on the pitch. Any half decent coach could and should be able to carve out a strategy for the opposing team and hold training exercises with a whistle in his mouth.
A guy like Louie Van Gaal is a pretty good example. So is Guus Hiddink. Most others either get very lucky or terribly unlucky.Han, in many ways is the best of us, when it comes to judging things. And if he says Leo was treated unfairly, I'm with him. He had his flaws, yes, and yes, I would have a very hard time rating him higher than "B", but at least the guy tried and gave his all. If the ideas was to sign Allegri and shower him with gifts (and don't tell me otherwise, remember how at the start of the transfer season Mr. B said that if a champion was there for signing, he would), then we could have kept Leo. Because on the last day of the match I saw another side of him, the hidden one. His rapport with the players. His team was ready to die with him literally. And this is something that has to be earned, not bought as Berlusconi likes to believe. That for me is a sign of good coach. Lookie, lookie:
Terribly long post, I know, but my $0.02 cents are that if the management wanted to win something, and signed a bucket load of players, spilling all amounts of cash, then as Porty said in the match thread, they should have made the effort of pulling in a weathered, wily, and experienced coach with white hair. Somebody who had at least won a major trophy before. Not another amateur in Masimiliano Allegri.
If they did though, then man up and let him do his work, give him a few years (unlike Leo) to make his mark. And learn to keep their beak shut (I am looking at your, Mr. Berlusconi) instead of opening their mouth twice a month to the media. As for Leonardo, I am glad that chapter is over, the last few rounds very pretty ugly and unbearable. Thanks for everything, and best of luck to you wherever you go next. Regrets I have a few, but there were more than one good moments last season!
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 20 2010, 02:46 AM
Great post, one thing I disagree with though.
Great coaches don't just appear from nowhere with a great history. Liverpool got Shankly from Huddersfield Town, United took SAF from Aberdeen/Scotland and Arsenal hired Wenger from Grampus Eight. The Worlds best coaches aren't always available, that's when you have to take a chance of people like these. (Obviously it doesn't work out all the time).
Posted by: Bluesummers Sep 20 2010, 02:47 AM
+1 acid brilliant. I still <3 him. Wish he was here
Posted by: acid911 Sep 20 2010, 04:15 AM
Thanks, guys! And Kurt, I totally agree with what you said, I was merely speaking from the point of view of the stakeholders (us fans, media and the management). The statement should not be taken in isolation, but instead as a big picture. I am all for giving charge to talented unknowns, provided the keep giving the positive results. No coach is born great, after all.
But the important factor is to stick with your choice and give the new coach enough room to not only maneuver through the tough times, but also implement his ideas and stamp on the team. Already some fickle fans are cursing Allegri 10% into the season, wonder what will happen for the remaining 90%, plus the CL and the Coppa. Then again, there are understanding fans, those that have seen the seasons, or think with their brains instead of eyes. But this is always the case isn't it? Fans are volatile, media is temperamental, but the club management should not be like this.
And that in essence was my point. The main man of the management, Berlusconi (and to an extent Galliani) should understand this, if heaven forbid, we run into a bad path until our injury crisis is over. We may get disastrous results for another few weeks, or even a month. This is the time to stand up together and work things out. Think of club football as a three-ringed chain: the management > coach > players. The management and players being the most important, as the former holds things together, and the later fights it out. The coach is a vital cog in between and he has to tackle both the management and the players. Tough job, I tell ya!
Another thing is that a big fish like Mourinho can bench Seedorf, Pirlo or Nesta for say lack of discipline, or if he feels that they are out of form, but a newbie has to think twice, particularly if that new coach is still establishing himself. All that is required is a show of faith from all parties involved, otherwise it will turn into another mess like that in the late 90s/early 2000s before Carlo took over. The first thing I thought when we signed Ibra was "Gee, if only Leo had a player like him in his squad". Maybe Berlusconi opened his wallet this season to piss off Leonardo, maybe its election year, maybe it was the need to show off and be flashy, or maybe he genuinely felt Milan needed new blood.
But let's admit it, the we needed this injection last season, and the one before that as well, in small doses maybe. A champion a season, coupled with another two quality players. Ibra and Robin sounds great (and they still may work out great), but if I had the choice between them and say Dzeko, Krasić, Lloris, Hernanes, Snijder or Robben keeping Gourcuff, not renewing contracts of players over 30, selling Boriello when we had a chance for 19 million, etc. you know where my preference would have been. And no it does not include the Swede. True story!
Ibra and Robin are great players to have in the team, but this is just a big flash plaster. The core of the team is rotting from the inside. I have not seen our midfield dominate the other team's since 2007 (and a few matches after that, notably the 1-0 win against inter when Ronaldinho scored off of Kaka's magic lob). That is the reason every Dickie Bird has been able to counter us at will, score against us as surely as it rains in Hawaii (360/365.25 days on average), and the only big teams we played against carved us up like Thanksgiving turkey (Arsenal 2-0, United 4-0, inter 4-0 which could have been much worse, etc).
Having a dominating midfield means less pressure on both the attack and defense, and it also means control of the match. Since we don't, we need consistent magic from R80 + Ibra, the moment they lose it, we lose. But whatever happens, Allegri needs support from the fans, media and particularly the management. As far as I am concerned, he has it from me: I will be pro-Allegri, as I was pro-Leonardo and pro-Carlo (up until that fateful night in Istanbul, after which he became a timid little rabbit). The only difference is that Leo barely had a team, while our new coach has twice as much on his plate. 
The expectations are (deservedly) high. How he lives up to them, remains to be seen. I'm out, before this turns into another thesis (boy, do I have time on my hand tonight, I'm suffering from cold and slight fever, LOL, so no work today). That's all folks!
Posted by: Bluesummers Sep 20 2010, 08:06 AM
I agree acid and this is a project that will take some time.
We have done a great deal to help solve the backroom staff of our youth department. We've appointed Galli to take role of director. We've brought in Pederzoli, one of the best youth scouts in Italy. We've also brought Stroppa whose done a fantastic job with the primavera.
We've spent probably 30 M in the last 2 summers on purchasing youth, maybe more.
We have some huge prospects and these guys will come to replace our dying midfield and defence.
Novinic= Seedorf replacement
Merkel=Seedorf replacement
Fossatti=Pirlo replacement. (you guys will love this guy when he debuts )
Beretta= Similar player to pato (less fancy more clincal)
Palsochi= Inzaghi replacement
Hottor= Ambrosini Replacement
Strasser= Gattuso replacement
Darmian= Nesta Replacement
Albertazzi= Nesta replacement
Odu= you've all seen what he can do
Zigoni= Inzaghi replacement
Sontonocito= zambrotta replacement
desole= jankulovski replacement
carmona= jankulovski replacement
Now not all these will make the first team. Many will proably be sold or used in deals. But this right here is our future. This is what we have to build our team on.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Sep 20 2010, 08:45 AM
Beretta? I thought he was a target man forward.
Posted by: agenth Sep 20 2010, 09:00 AM
I thought we already sold Paloschi off to Parma??
Posted by: acid911 Sep 20 2010, 09:07 AM
Good on you, Blue! And yeah, I had been following these youth signings much more than the first team ones. Out of the ones you listed Fossatti, Paloschi, Strasser, Darmian, and Albertazzi have been on radar for quite some time, and of course we now have a very solid base to build upon for the next 5 years.
And after that, one of Paolo's son will return as the king, wear the number 3 shirt! All will be fine, then!
Posted by: Linkman Sep 20 2010, 01:49 PM
Great posts acid!
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