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Posted by: han2503 Aug 8 2012, 02:53 PM
It's a 2:35 am CET. Anyone brave enough to watch it be my guest. I think I'll catch the highlights tomorrow
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Aug 8 2012, 03:29 PM
One ***-whoppin coming right up! 
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 8 2012, 03:53 PM
I'll be here and watch it. Missed out on Schalke and Chelsea, so this is the one I'll watch.
Any live stream links are welcome, I somehow doubt any TV network will give a live transmission here.
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 8 2012, 04:27 PM
Probable line-ups:
MILAN: Abbiati; Abate, Bonera, Acerbi, Antonini; Nocerino, Ambrosini, Flamini; Boateng, Robinho, Cassano.
REAL MADRID: Casillas; Arbeloa, Albiol, Sergio Ramos, Fabio Coentrao; Granero, Xabi Alonso; Cristiano Ronaldo, Ozil, Jesè; Benzema.
Posted by: William405 Aug 8 2012, 04:38 PM
Any live stream links are welcome, I somehow doubt any TV network will give a live transmission here.
From milan-obession:
atdhe.tv
rojadirect.me
www.livefootball.ws
www.myp2p.peveetle.com
http://www.firstrow.tv/
http://www.stream2watch.me/
I'll be watching it too,so i'll post a link when I can find it.
Cheers.
Posted by: han2503 Aug 8 2012, 05:00 PM
MILAN: Abbiati; Abate, Bonera, Acerbi, Antonini; Nocerino, Ambrosini, Flamini; Boateng, Robinho, Cassano.
REAL MADRID: Casillas; Arbeloa, Albiol, Sergio Ramos, Fabio Coentrao; Granero, Xabi Alonso; Cristiano Ronaldo, Ozil, Jesè; Benzema.
What's up with Mexes? He hasn't played yet in this pre-season right?
We'd be really ****** if he's injured for the start of the season.
And I really want to see Monto start in front of the defence, see how that works out. Insisting with Ambro at this point is fruitless
Posted by: d'Arc.LP Aug 8 2012, 05:01 PM
Ahhh perfect timing. It's Ramadan and I usually stay up all night 'cos we eat at 3 AM before fasting all day. I have a feeling we'll own Madrid this time, but it wont matter since it's a friendly.
Montolivo is apparently slightly injured so he may not take part in tonight's game against Real Madrid. Ambrosini is set to start. (RossoneriBlog)
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 8 2012, 07:03 PM
We'd be really ****** if he's injured for the start of the season.
Mexes returned home some days ago because of his new-born baby.
Posted by: William405 Aug 8 2012, 07:11 PM
Han always wants to complain
Posted by: han2503 Aug 8 2012, 07:14 PM
Han always wants to complain
Not complaining just asking a question since when we don't see a player on the team sheet it generally means that the player is injured in our case
Posted by: CHU-LIP Aug 8 2012, 07:22 PM
I really don't like the rumoured starting midfield. At least one of Emanuelson and Montolivo should start. Now there is zero creativity in the midfield, and also the full-backs are weak attacking wise.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Aug 8 2012, 07:44 PM
Monto won't play, some minor injury.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Aug 9 2012, 12:34 AM
links:
http://livetv.ru/en/eventinfo/129310_real_madrid_milan/
Posted by: William405 Aug 9 2012, 12:59 AM
Milan: (4-3-3): Abbiati; Abate, Bonera, Acerbi, Antonini; Nocerino, Ambrosini, Flamini; Cassano, Boateng, Robinho.
Madrid (4-2-3-1): Casillas; Nacho, Varane, Pepe, Coentrão; Lass, Khedira; Di Maria, Özil, Ronaldo; Benzema.
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 9 2012, 01:25 AM
I think Acerbi is the slowest player I've ever seen. Cassano looks completely out of shape.
Posted by: William405 Aug 9 2012, 01:33 AM
Boateng loses the ball everytime he gets it.
And,Madrid score.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 9 2012, 01:34 AM
Brilliant goal by di Maria.
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 9 2012, 01:35 AM
It's funny, because he tries to do all these tricks and runs he's clearly incapable of. The guy should just be a box-to-box mid and forget about everything else.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 9 2012, 01:36 AM
Our midfielders are walking around like they don't give a damn.
What has Cassano been doing since the Euro??
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 9 2012, 01:36 AM
Diarra calling Nocerino 'puta'. 
Posted by: William405 Aug 9 2012, 01:37 AM
What has Cassano been doing since the Euro??
Flamini has been trying imo
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 9 2012, 01:38 AM
It's so unusual to see the number 8 playing...and knowing it isn't Rino. Feels so odd.
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 9 2012, 01:39 AM
Aye, I feel the same way.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 9 2012, 01:39 AM
Antonini 
Milan looks miles behind this Madrid.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 9 2012, 01:42 AM
WOW. Brilliant team goal.
Posted by: William405 Aug 9 2012, 01:42 AM
AND Milan LEVEL!Nice teamplay!
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 9 2012, 01:42 AM
Robinho, what a goal!
Posted by: arivanjj Aug 9 2012, 01:42 AM
hehe classy from robinho.
Posted by: William405 Aug 9 2012, 01:43 AM
Milan looks miles behind this Madrid.
Yes,horrible...
Posted by: Jack Bauer Aug 9 2012, 01:44 AM
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 9 2012, 01:46 AM
Bonera-Acerbi pairing must be slower then any other combination I've seen play, including Yepes-Nesta.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Aug 9 2012, 01:46 AM
Sloppy Ambro. Almost cost us.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 9 2012, 01:49 AM
Ambro? That was Nocerino's fault.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 9 2012, 01:50 AM
Anyway, awful match so far. Milan unable to show any cohesion. Loosing possession after 2-3 passes max.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Aug 9 2012, 01:51 AM
It was Ambro's bad pass.
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 9 2012, 01:56 AM
Say what you want, but Bonera has been excellent so far. And I mean in these whole bunch of games, not just tonight.
Posted by: CHU-LIP Aug 9 2012, 02:05 AM
Agreed.
If even Bonera preforms, I think central defense is not what we should worry about.
Posted by: arivanjj Aug 9 2012, 02:12 AM
man those collars look hideous 
Posted by: William405 Aug 9 2012, 02:16 AM
Amazing goal from Ronaldo.
Posted by: William405 Aug 9 2012, 02:28 AM
Konstant with some nice little run.
Kaka enters the field..
Posted by: arivanjj Aug 9 2012, 02:35 AM
hopefully ambro is out for the season.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Aug 9 2012, 02:45 AM
The gap in quality is just too big. They are an A level team, we are not. Some of our current players should be only playing with Milan on PES.
It's just sad to see Mesbah wearing the Milan shirt.
Posted by: amancik Aug 9 2012, 02:57 AM
Kaka' has been amazing in this game, assisted 3 goals.
Posted by: KillerMax Aug 9 2012, 02:59 AM
First real test, first real rhymes with grape.
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 9 2012, 03:00 AM
5-1? Oh god...
Posted by: arivanjj Aug 9 2012, 03:09 AM
get a taste of that mr berlusconi
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 9 2012, 03:14 AM
As if he cares.
Posted by: CHU-LIP Aug 9 2012, 03:18 AM
I can't understand a Milan fan giving **** like this to a player like Ambrosini.
Really something to talk like that about your team's captain, member of the team for 16 years.
Posted by: arivanjj Aug 9 2012, 03:47 AM
Really something to talk like that about your team's captain, member of the team for 16 years.
what i said had nothing to do with what he's done in the past. while i admit i'm not the fondest fan of ambrosini you have to admit playing with 10 men would do milan better than having our defense with expectation of him doing anything useful in midfield. he's done. he should've left with the rest. simple as that.
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 9 2012, 03:58 AM
I'd rather play a one-legged Ambrosini than someone like Traoré.
Posted by: CHU-LIP Aug 9 2012, 04:15 AM
clearly
point is, you can say what you wanna say AND show respect at the same time
Posted by: arivanjj Aug 9 2012, 04:21 AM
yeh well i'd rather play one-legged flamini or even muntari instead of ambrosini
Posted by: CHU-LIP Aug 9 2012, 04:22 AM
Flamini needs both his legs for his tackles though.
Posted by: arivanjj Aug 9 2012, 04:26 AM
point is, you can say what you wanna say AND show respect at the same time
yeh you're probably right but i was just expressing my frustration of having him playing for another season and most probably being a starter, which is a great news for galliani and co as far as theyre concerned.
Posted by: arivanjj Aug 9 2012, 04:28 AM
well with one leg we wont have to worry about him being as clumsy 
Posted by: Zed.D Aug 9 2012, 07:28 AM
5-1, wow... before anyone says it's a friendly and results don't matter in friendlies... they DO. if we'd lost 2-1, or 3-1 I could understand, but this is too much.
A bitter taste of what our wonderful management have made out of Milan. Traore, Mesbah, Constant, Acerbi, Muntari... no offense but it's a disgrace that some of them are supposed to be our XI this season. yes we've had a lot of crappy/average/mediocre players before but they were only substitutes to great ones.
I'm not even hopeful this loss will act as a reality check for B&G, they've got their heads firmly in the sand. they're convinced our 1-0 win over Chelsea means we remain competitive FFS
I don't get one thing, what's the point of playing one of the world's strongest teams in pre-season? they totally destroyed that small bit of self-confidence the team had gained in the previous games. I won't be surprised if from now on we'll see a different Milan in friendlies/season games. we've proved to be very fragile in terms of confidence under Allegri. as soon as a superior team crushes us, we seem to lose all confidence. if that happened with the likes of Nesta, Silva, Seedorf, Ibra, etc. what are we expecting now? next game see how Robinho misses a sitter or something and remember I told you so!
And what's even more annoying is that we're waiting until the very last day of the transfer window to make our damn moves which won't be that good anyway. some panic buys that will take weeks or months to adopt to their new team and perform as expected.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Aug 9 2012, 09:18 AM
I'm a little surprised no one saw this coming. I'm actually impressed we even scored a goal. Mourinho was always gonna put out his strongest side, while Allegri is still playing Lego with the squad at the moment.
I was expecting a 2 goal difference loss. So yes this one is excessive, but not entirely derailing. We had our best forward out, our best creator looking bored, our second/third string defence, and our main creative mid out.
We'll win nothing this year, that's a given (if we stay the way we are in the squad), but we won't be THIS bad. IMO, this was Madrid against Milan B.
That said, I do agree with Zed.D's point about confidence.
Posted by: William405 Aug 9 2012, 11:27 AM
The things is this CB pairing is not only pretty slow,but none of them is a playmaking CB,or at least one that is good with the ball.So,we lost the ball a lot from silly passes from our CBs,and hey the fullbacks didn't do that better either.Their was a lack of communication between Abate and Flamini there..specially in the defence.Nocerino did well when he had the ball,and Ambrosini...well I didn't even notice he was playing.
Cassano will be an essential part of our team,so I say give him that pay raise or we're gonna lose yet another essential component.He can turn everything around with 1 touch.
We played against a high pressure Madrid,and we couldn't handle that pressure well at all...It's clear Allegri's work is still really really raw with the team,so I'll be looking to see the changes he will do.
Posted by: Lawbaba Aug 9 2012, 11:53 AM
Well personally,i never expected us to defeat Real cuz this is a new generation of players that needz time to blend and find a rhythm before we can compete with the best teams in the world.
Neverthless,purchasing quality players like strootsman,khedira,kaka,crisito etc than quality will help facilitate our course.
Forza milan
Posted by: Danny Aug 9 2012, 02:42 PM
Totally forgot about this match. Not an altogether bad thing.
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 9 2012, 05:54 PM
Dude, you do realize that Berlusconi doesn't give two shits anymore whether we're competitive or not. The guy sold our two best players to balance the books, welcomed foreign investors publicly for the first time, and is about to enter into politics again. It's pretty clear his interest in this club has finished down the drain.
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 10 2012, 02:17 AM
Apparently Galliani was very angry to Allegri about our 5-1 loss to Madrid. All the major Italian sport papers are reporting it. "We're not Solbiatese. Nine changes is way too many, the coach made a mistake", were some of Galliani's words.
This should be fun. 
Posted by: William405 Aug 10 2012, 02:36 AM
Galliani should shut the hell up cause we can't afford sacking Allegri.It's just a friendly,and I believe Allegri was trying to get the maxium in terms of testing players against some real opposition.Yes,it backfired..but after all it is a friendly.I understand that Galliani has always Milan's image mind,but they should about how selling Thiago Silva,and Ibra made us look as well.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 10 2012, 03:08 AM
The coaches fault.
Posted by: Bluesummers Aug 10 2012, 03:26 AM
Lol blaming the coach
Posted by: acid911 Aug 10 2012, 08:44 AM
Gold. 
Posted by: d'Arc.LP Aug 10 2012, 08:59 AM
Galliani: “Allegri made a mistake, I’m pissed!”
The Real Madrid game was not just a meaningless pre-season game for Milan Vice President Adriano Galliani it appears as the chief executive was reportedly very angry after losing to Jose Mourinho’s side.
Milan were beaten badly on the pitch of the packed-Yankee Stadium in New York on Wednesday. Milan held on in the first half (1-1) despite being objectively the weaker team but conceded 4 goals in the 2nd half.
“Can you believe that? Nine changes, nine! The coach (Massimiliano Allegri) had made a serious mistake and I’m going to tell him that,” Adriano Galliani is quoted as saying to reporters after the match on today’s edition of La Gazzetta dello Sport. “When you play against Real Madrid, you shouldn’t be thinking that way.
“We are in New York, in front of 60,000 people, full stadium; all eyes are on the game, millions of eyes on the TV. It’s not a friendly game against Solbiatese.” Other sources, including il Corriere dello Sport report reports what Galliani said is that “Milan are not Solbiatese.” He continued: “Mourinho made 9 changes? Have you seen Real’s bench? Kaka, Higuain, Xabi Alonso, Ramos, Albiol, Arbeloa. World champions.
“Nine changes shouldn’t be made. It was a mistake. I’m pissed off – write that down!” Galliani also said according to il Corriere dello Sport: “It was a lack of respect towards the fans and the crowd in an important stadium against an opponent of prestige … I don’t give a damn if Real Madrid made eleven changes.”
Galliani is definitely furious with coach Massimiliano Allegri and this could lead to a few things – perhaps even on the market though it’s unlikely since funds continue to be very very limited for the Rossoneri.
source: Rossoneriblog
Posted by: William405 Aug 10 2012, 11:17 AM
He's putting unnecessary pressure on Allegri...err
Posted by: William405 Aug 10 2012, 11:36 AM
Los Blancos hit five past the Rossoneri this week, much to the frustration of Massimiliano Allegri and Adriano Galliani and Ambrosini admits that it is taking its toll on the much-changed outfit.
“We are sad because it was a bad impression, so it is normal to be nervous after a defeat like that,” the veteran told Milannews.it upon the team’s return to Italy today.
“It must be said that we’ve also played a team much stronger than us. This season, teams like Real are not at the same level as Milan, we are aware that we are one or two steps below these big clubs.
“At present, however, it is important for us to find the right spirit that this team will then have all season.
“This team is aware that times have changed because we have lost so many important players. This pre-season has helped us capture a greater awareness of this.
“I don’t know what the club are planning next in the market but they are right to focus on create the right atmosphere.
“The season is long, the results on the field will tell if this team has managed to become more of a team. We really want to start the season.”
“Kaka? I hope he didn’t change his mind after what he saw [laughs]. Seriously, Ricardo would be welcome, he is a good player who could lend a hand, let’s see what happens.”
Posted by: han2503 Aug 10 2012, 11:37 AM
This should be fun.
Lol this is too funny.
For once Allegri is not at fault. It's so rich coming from Galliani, what does he expect? We played a dismantled squad against Madrid superstar team, they make changes and guys like Kaka and Higuain come in, we make a change and Traore comes in
Posted by: arivanjj Aug 10 2012, 01:02 PM
he's clearly lost his mind. this is depressing.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Aug 10 2012, 01:40 PM
God...talk of the misinterpretation here.
Galliani is pissed because, there were a whole lot of fans there and media, and they had come in expecting a great spectacle. Instead he feels Max Allegri used it as a training ground exercise with multiple subs etc...when he feels they should instead have been trying to make a hard fight out of it.
Don't forget it was being marketed as a meeting of two high profile clubs (to rival Barca vs Man Utd also happening), and instead it turned out to be a walkover.
In the first half, they were the stronger side, but we were still holding our own. In the second half, we fell apart. Why? Obviously coz our second string is nowhere as good as Madrid's. I don't think all the subs were particularly necessary.
Perhaps Galliani even felt that Allegri was trying to 'show-up' obvious weaknesses in the team as a passive-aggresive protest.
Either way, now we know that we need to step up and that there is a definite gulf in class.
Posted by: acid911 Aug 10 2012, 02:06 PM
Eh, we already knew that.
Posted by: Zed.D Aug 10 2012, 02:17 PM
That usually doesn't happen in pre-season friendlies.
Why? it was a friendly not CL quarter finals.
Yeah but it was a friendly.
That's what friendlies are for. what's the point of playing your best XI, get a draw or a light defeat and have Galliani come out and talk **** about how competitive we are? let's not fool ourselves.
I was pissed at the result too, but tell me it's not easier to take a defeat like this in a pre-season friendly than in a CL quarter final. I think playing against one of the world's top 3 strongest teams with our crappy, crippled team was a mistake in the first place and Gllainai is at fault before anyone else. he better do his own business which was supposed to be adding a few good players to the team (I'm not gonna say "champions" even though that's what he said). and his angry interview isn't going to help the team in any way, it'll only put extra pressure on them and Allegri. another mistake from Baldy.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 10 2012, 02:31 PM
Quoting yourself...
...because some things are just so predictable.
Posted by: CHU-LIP Aug 10 2012, 02:37 PM
...because some things are just so predictable.
Allegri got fired?
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Aug 10 2012, 02:39 PM
Why? it was a friendly not CL quarter finals.
Yeah but it was a friendly.
That's what friendlies are for. what's the point of playing your best XI, get a draw or a light defeat and have Galliani come out and talk **** about how competitive we are? let's not fool ourselves.
I was pissed at the result too, but tell me it's not easier to take a defeat like this in a pre-season friendly than in a CL quarter final. I think playing against one of the world's top 3 strongest teams with our crappy, crippled team was a mistake in the first place and Gllainai is at fault before anyone else. he better do his own business which was supposed to be adding a few good players to the team (I'm not gonna say "champions" even though that's what he said). and his angry interview isn't going to help the team in any way, it'll only put extra pressure on them and Allegri. another mistake from Baldy.
A friendly, in Italy I can understand.
This is a 60,000 packed stadium in NEW YORK. Definitely having US media coverage, lots of money but some place the football market has not been able to break.
And Real Madrid vs. AC Milan is never 'just a light' training match. That's why you face Olympia and all those other clubs, so Allegri can try out all the various tactics they want.
This is mostly to sell high-level European competition to the US audience and losing 5-1 does not do that.
I think we are worse off than Madrid, absolutely.
But we are NOT 5-1 worse, if you know what I mean.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 10 2012, 02:39 PM
I said he got fired?
Posted by: CHU-LIP Aug 10 2012, 02:40 PM
That's what I couldn't figure out.
What were you saying?
Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 10 2012, 02:43 PM
Villa beat Inter 3-0 in a pre-season friendly, it happens and specifically it happens to Italian sides. It's generally a match fitness thing. EPL and La Liga start mid-August if I remember rightly, so they're reaching peak fitness weeks before Italian clubs.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 10 2012, 02:44 PM
What were you saying?
Are you serious?
Allegri gets blamed for defeat. I post a quote from me that says "It will all be your fault" and you don't get the link? I'm assuming you're trolling.
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 10 2012, 02:48 PM
And whose fault is it that we instead have a bunch of mediocre players on the bench? Maybe he should start blaming Berlusconi for a change, but we all know that ain't never gonna happen.
Posted by: CHU-LIP Aug 10 2012, 02:53 PM
Allegri gets blamed for defeat. I post a quote from me that says "It will all be your fault" and you don't get the link? I'm assuming you're trolling.
Wow, that's weird. I didn't notice the bolded part. For some reason I only noticed the first sentence of that quote. (Nice knowing you, Max)
Wow... my bad
Posted by: CHU-LIP Aug 10 2012, 02:56 PM
Why should he blame Berlusconi? Galliani is the one who takes care over the wages, and the transfers. If he didn't give so many players such huge and long contracts that don't reflect their quality, he has only himself to blame that now he has little to spend.
Really disgust by Galliani's quote. I really do not get that guy. Allegri did right subbing players in.
Posted by: han2503 Aug 10 2012, 03:31 PM
This is a 60,000 packed stadium in NEW YORK. Definitely having US media coverage, lots of money but some place the football market has not been able to break.
And Real Madrid vs. AC Milan is never 'just a light' training match. That's why you face Olympia and all those other clubs, so Allegri can try out all the various tactics they want.
This is mostly to sell high-level European competition to the US audience and losing 5-1 does not do that.
I think we are worse off than Madrid, absolutely.
But we are NOT 5-1 worse, if you know what I mean.
Are you sure about that?
Real has a world class side, from the starters down to their bench players. We don't even have half of the starting 11 that could be called world class FFS. We simply cannot compete with them.
5-1? Just about right
Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 10 2012, 03:52 PM
Really disgust by Galliani's quote. I really do not get that guy. Allegri did right subbing players in.
Agreed.
I imagine if we didn't make changes and picked up injuries as a result Galliani would be labelling Max careless, etc.
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Aug 10 2012, 03:52 PM
We could have lost by a wayyy bigger margin on that night.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Aug 10 2012, 03:54 PM
We could have, if we had proceeded to keep putting in our weaker players on.
NOBODY is denying that if 23 players of Madrid stacked up, the 23 players of Milan are 3 levels below.
But the first XI is still IMO only about 30% worse than theirs. Provided we play smart.
I don't think Galliani would have been pissed about a 2-1 or a 3-1 defeat. 5-1 was a mite too much.
But its' not the end of the world, and it would be stupid to blame Max.
We just need to move on, and work on the transfer market. Scudetto challenge is paramount otherwise we risk undoing all we've done.
Posted by: acid911 Aug 10 2012, 04:03 PM
It's not the scoreline Galliani is pissed off, it's the attitude from the coach.
Agree with your bit about that this was no ordinary 'friendly' match. No offense intended, but labeling it as inconsequential is pretty laughable - just ask the fans around the world who wait years and years, and then travel and spend money to watch the show.And like I said, this kind of a showing does not reflect good on us. Neither the 5-1 drubbing, nor the 9 subs that were made, or Cassano's walk in the park attitude, it just gives the wrong message to our sponsors.
They'll just decrease the amount they pay us next time, or cut off ties altogether. Hence Galliani's anger.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Aug 10 2012, 04:04 PM
Cassano's lack of fitness has been shocking to me. I gave him far too much credit in the beginning.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 10 2012, 04:09 PM
He was the same last pre-season. I remember people wanted him gone he looked so out of shape. Come September he should be fine.
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 10 2012, 04:10 PM
Because it was Berlusconi who decided to sell Thiago and Ibra, not Galliani.
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 10 2012, 04:11 PM
Or maybe he plays like crap because he doesn't care about this club anymore and wants to leave.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 10 2012, 04:33 PM
The more time passes, the more I believe we should sell him right away.
Posted by: acid911 Aug 10 2012, 04:39 PM
Guys like Cassano, if they get out of control during a season, can bring down the house. There have been many such prima donnas in clubs over the years - the big ones had backup, while the smaller ones usually dispose off them the first chance they get. I really hope he boards the right train before the season starts, Cassano.
He's always been a peripatetic (wandering from club to club, without definition or purpose), but now he's turning out into a major liability, one that will become hard to manage and could have a negative effect on our season.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Aug 10 2012, 04:53 PM
There have been many such prima donnas in clubs over the years - the big ones had backup, while the smaller ones usually dispose off them the first chance they get. I really hope he boards the right train before the season starts, Cassano.He's always been a peripatetic (wandering from club to club, without definition or purpose), but now he's turning out into a major liability, one that will become hard to manage and could have a negative effect on our season.
Agreed, but in his own right he has not done badly for us so far, and his request for an improved contract could very well be his last chance on the same. So although I dont find a single flaw in your post, I just cant shake off the notion that he is looking over his personal interests as is Milan. Who knows, maybe a 1M or 0.5M increase could make the difference and turn Cassano's motivation indicators to an all time high? Afterall all, most forwards reach their prime in his age bracket. However, if he expects us to tamper with the wage-cap to satisfy him, then he can go **** himself.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Aug 10 2012, 04:56 PM
Posted by: drucurl Aug 10 2012, 05:00 PM
This might be the most unpopular opinion on the forum but I think Galliani is absolutely right.
$h!tlegri simply does not understand how to coach a BIG CLUB
^Granted, the term "big club" should no longer be used in the same sentence as us given the woeful quality of our squad.
The GAPING HOLES (no homo) are there for all to see and everyone and their dog knows that we need a CDM who can pass, a LB (been missing since Maldini/Serginho), and either a competent RB or a technically sound CM/CAM who can assist with supply to the forwards.
BUT to go to the f**king USA and lose by such a margin in front of an international fanbase is completely unacceptable. I laugh hysterically at anyone who thinks this defeat could have been worse
q: How many cr@p clubs has Milan, Barca, Real etc played and failed to defeat them?
a: a LOT!!
q: How did the cr@p clubs do it?
a: Lots of defending + sticking to good tactics
$h!tlegri is responsible for the bold part and it's clear that they weren't right....subbing in our fodder to get burnt in the fire of Real's attack (further) exposes our weakness and until Milan find some way of getting back on our feet this does not help our situation....it hurts....a LOT!
If you were a player thinking of coming to a big club and saw Milan get utterly thrashed by Real....would you feel to come? $h!tlegri is just making Galliani's job harder. It becomes a vicious cycle.
It's like you're going through real tough economic times, but you're on your way to a business conference to try getting some investors, but your wife wears her oldest most dingy dress, your kids keep stuffing the refreshments in their pockets and your dog walks in and inhales deeply so everyone can see his ribs Sure the situation might not be ideal at home and much of it might be your fault but they're definitely not helping the situation.
Please understand that I don't think:
1) We're fine as we are (not even Galliani thinks that)
2) We're anywhere near Real's level
3) We're not in for a world of disappointment
Posted by: acid911 Aug 10 2012, 05:03 PM
I personally am against it, he should earn the extra 1 million or 0.5 million.
Show his worth this season and earn a new extension with a higher wage, how hard is that. For me, Milan giving up now would just stroke his ego to no ends, but if you believe it's worth a try, then I can understand that. I won't be against it.In the end, the management will decide what's best. What if after earning a new extension we are treated to the same old, same old by Cassano. Bad boy that he is, he (and his agent) knows that he is practically the biggest fish in the pond. Even though he's not the face of the club - Pato is - the guy knows he can out-muscle the management.
Like I said, the best bet would have been both parties agreeing to a wage increase at the end of the season, depending on Cassano's performance output.
This coming from him now, is practically blackmailing. It's not that he's got a long contract, pull in the numbers in the next few months and earn the right to an upgraded extension.
Posted by: William405 Aug 10 2012, 05:13 PM
$h!tlegri simply does not understand how to coach a BIG CLUB
^Granted, the term "big club" should no longer be used in the same sentence as us given the woeful quality of our squad.
The GAPING HOLES (no homo) are there for all to see and everyone and their dog knows that we need a CDM who can pass, a LB (been missing since Maldini/Serginho), and either a competent RB or a technically sound CM/CAM who can assist with supply to the forwards.
BUT to go to the f**king USA and lose by such a margin in front of an international fanbase is completely unacceptable. I laugh hysterically at anyone who thinks this defeat could have been worse
q: How many cr@p clubs has Milan, Barca, Real etc played and failed to defeat them?
a: a LOT!!
q: How did the cr@p clubs do it?
a: Lots of defending + sticking to good tactics
$h!tlegri is responsible for the bold part and it's clear that they weren't right....subbing in our fodder to get burnt in the fire of Real's attack (further) exposes our weakness and until Milan find some way of getting back on our feet this does not help our situation....it hurts....a LOT!
If you were a player thinking of coming to a big club and saw Milan get utterly thrashed by Real....would you feel to come? $h!tlegri is just making Galliani's job harder. It becomes a vicious cycle.
It's like you're going through real tough economic times, but you're on your way to a business conference to try getting some investors, but your wife wears her oldest most dingy dress, your kids keep stuffing the refreshments in their pockets and your dog walks in and inhales deeply so everyone can see his ribs
Sure the situation might not be ideal at home and much of it might be your fault but they're definitely not helping the situation.Please understand that I don't think:
1) We're fine as we are (not even Galliani thinks that)
2) We're anywhere near Real's level
3) We're not in for a world of disappointment
In my opinion,we were playing downright pathetic first half.It doesn't matter how many goals we conceeded.In the first we couldn't maintain posession for more than 10seconds.Yes,we hooked up for one goal...maybe the subs did contributed to the goals conceeded.But,I think we did almost equally bad both halves,with madrid pulling the plugs in the second.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Aug 10 2012, 05:35 PM
We lost a lot of weight in our midfield, and a lot of experience to top it off. Our ball retention in the first half put me straight back to sleep. Seedorf was definitely missed from what I saw. That connection that linked our backline to forwards was disrupted. Surely the team will coupe and evolve, I just hope Allegri can make an omlette out of his egg basket
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 10 2012, 05:52 PM
What did you expect from a Flamini-Ambrosini-Nocerino midfield? Constant and/or Emanuelson should have played instead, but Allegri went for his usual "all muscle, no brains" midfield. It just goes to show you how desperately we need a new playmaker.
Posted by: William405 Aug 10 2012, 06:09 PM
Well Montolivo was injured.And,we needed a DM that can distributed the ball well...like Van Bommel.
Posted by: acid911 Aug 10 2012, 06:19 PM
Or his goose is cooked, eh?!
Posted by: Zed.D Aug 10 2012, 06:49 PM
This is a 60,000 packed stadium in NEW YORK. Definitely having US media coverage, lots of money but some place the football market has not been able to break.
And Real Madrid vs. AC Milan is never 'just a light' training match. That's why you face Olympia and all those other clubs, so Allegri can try out all the various tactics they want.
This is mostly to sell high-level European competition to the US audience and losing 5-1 does not do that.
I think we are worse off than Madrid, absolutely.
But we are NOT 5-1 worse, if you know what I mean.
Well, as kurt said La Liga teams are always ahead of Serie A team in terms of fitness so maybe it's not a good idea to plan such friendlies with the strongest of them?
We're not 5-1 worse, sure. but on a bad night we could easily lose 3-1 or 4-1 to them even with our best/smartest XI. they're just too ahead of us. I'm not saying this defeat shouldn't be looked into but Galliani's reaction was unnecessarily strong. maybe he should've told Allegri to take it seriously BEFORE the game!
Posted by: acid911 Aug 10 2012, 06:55 PM
Cash, my friend, cold, hard cash.
Who'll come to a 'meaningless' friendly between Milan and Malaga?! For better or for worse, these are the new terms of engagement of modern football.
Posted by: Zed.D Aug 10 2012, 07:02 PM
Except that replacements (worthy ones not useless ones) should have already been there.
It's funny. Max is at fault for making Galliani's job harder by supposedly using wrong tactics but Galliani is not at fault for making Max's job harder by handing him such an awful squad to play Real Madrid in the first place?
You just hate Allegri to much to see what's the problem here. it's very simple: WE NEED A MUCH BETTER SQUAD TO COMPETE WITH THE BEST OUT THERE!!
And we got we, didn't it? what's the result got to do with it?
Posted by: drucurl Aug 10 2012, 07:18 PM
It's funny. Max is at fault for making Galliani's job harder by supposedly using wrong tactics but Galliani is not at fault for making Max's job harder by handing him such an awful squad to play Real Madrid in the first place?
You just hate Allegri to much to see what's the problem here. it's very simple: WE NEED A MUCH BETTER SQUAD TO COMPETE WITH THE BEST OUT THERE!!
Well I think, as Jack Sparrow mentioned we are INDEED a few levels below Real Madrid....but not 5-1 below.
Our Subs are...for sure and if you want to HIGHLIGHT the problems we all know we have, to the WORLD then playing our subs vs even Real's bench is the way to go. It is this Galliani was upset about imho....not the loss per se.
Again as I mentioned, I know our squad is inferior but even cr@p squads don't always get a 5-1 trouncing simply by using PROPER TACTICS which is $h!tlegri's department. Teams are seldom always equal but they compete anyway and the better squad isn't always the victor. This is often where a coach shows his worth.
Posted by: acid911 Aug 10 2012, 07:21 PM
Uh, I think you may need to edit the first part of your sentence.
Can't quite make out what you meant there. But as for the second part, as I said above, result isn't something that matters, it's the showing. We may lose 2-1 or 3-1, or get an exciting 2-2 draw. All that matters is the people who watch on TV, or come to the stadium have a good time. These are known as exhibition matches for a reason, after all.
Posted by: Zed.D Aug 10 2012, 07:49 PM
@ dru
But as Kurt said and I'm quoting it for the third time, they ahead of us both in quality and preparations. I'm not saying we couldn't have avoided this defeat, but I think we're making a big deal out of it. I was mad about it after I saw the result, but the next day I was like "so what? it's a friendly no one's gonna remember".
Didn't we beat Chelsea by using proper tactics? I don't expect you to ever give Allegri any credit. always quick to blame him when we lose, but never give him credit when it's due.
@ acid
I meant to say "we got it [the money], didn't we?"Again, I think we should have these exhibition matches with teams roughly at our level not Real Madrid.
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 10 2012, 07:57 PM
Madrid were defeated 5-2 by Benfica only a few days ago. Nobody made a fuss over it.
Posted by: han2503 Aug 10 2012, 07:59 PM
Well technically speaking this is a friendly so who gives a cr@p about it.
But imo, this could be a taste of what we're in for this season when we come up against good opposition.
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 10 2012, 08:02 PM
We were playing with a mediocre line-up.
Posted by: han2503 Aug 10 2012, 08:11 PM
A mediocre line-up?
Who was missing from what should be our starting 11 next season?
Monto, Mexes and Pato?
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 10 2012, 08:14 PM
Who was missing from what should be our starting 11 next season?
Monto, Mexes and Pato?
Muntari
Posted by: amancik Aug 10 2012, 08:16 PM
Who was missing from what should be our starting 11 next season?
Monto, Mexes and Pato?
It was when we made a lot of changes in the 2nd half we conceded 4 goals.
Posted by: han2503 Aug 10 2012, 08:16 PM
Don't remind me of that nitwit. At least we've managed to get rid of him for a good few months. Allegri will find another mediocre player to obsess over until he returns
Posted by: han2503 Aug 10 2012, 08:18 PM
I watched the highlights and they bombarded us in both halves
Acerbi is just a terrible defender imo, what was Galliani thinking when he got him I'll never understand. So slow and with no positional sense
Posted by: amancik Aug 10 2012, 08:21 PM
Acerbi is just a terrible defender imo, what was Galliani thinking when he got him I'll never understand. So slow and with no positional sense
They did, but it was a lot worse in the second-half. At least we threatened to score in the first-half every time we got forward.
Posted by: acid911 Aug 10 2012, 08:37 PM
Eh, sometimes even us language folks have trouble deciphering a broken sentence.
Yup, we sure did get it. And that's pretty much the whole point of it, money, exposure, exhibition, some good media, the whole enchilada.Therein lies the problem, the people who spend $$$ on sponsorships believe (or want) us to be at the same level of Real Madrid. As in Europe's elite, top 8 or top 10 stuff.
If I was Adidas or Emirates, and had the option of choosing between say Milan and PSG, I'd be more inclined to choose the French club, if I see Milan's market reach tanking.That's exactly what was reported in the media after the sale of Ibra and Silva, with our sponsors voicing their concerns. At this rate we'll either have to make do with lower sponsor revenue, or going with smaller ones. Just like our relatively early exits in CL last few seasons hurt us a bit.
The sponsors usually have various clauses that promise higher revenue deals in case of a club progressing further, or getting more success. And vice versa for lower deals in case of early exists, or lower position in the league.
Posted by: drucurl Aug 10 2012, 09:32 PM
But as Kurt said and I'm quoting it for the third time, they ahead of us both in quality and preparations. I'm not saying we couldn't have avoided this defeat, but I think we're making a big deal out of it. I was mad about it after I saw the result, but the next day I was like "so what? it's a friendly no one's gonna remember".
Didn't we beat Chelsea by using proper tactics? I don't expect you to ever give Allegri any credit. always quick to blame him when we lose, but never give him credit when it's due.
I could easily say the reverse is true for you. When $h!tlegri was squandering the little talent that we did have....undervaluing Ronaldinho and P!rlo....nobody complained. It was always the player's fault.
Now all of Gattuso, Ronaldinho, Taiwo, Nesta, Pirlo and Ronaldinho admitted to having difficulties with him I'm not hearing your outrage. I'm pretty sure we could have done with even a morbidly obese or utterly nonchalant P!rlo last season.
About the Ch3l$ki win.... grinding out the 1-0's, getting the 0-0's or just barely losing 0-1, 0-2 is what he's SUPPOSED to be doing. Tiny clubs do all the time, you don't see their coaches grabbing the headlines
But my only point is that Galliani was RIGHT to be p!$$ed at him for (further) sabotaging the result via his n00b decisions. Again, drawing back to my analogy, if your wife isn't the best dressed at a party cause you're broke that's one thing...but if she stuffs beef pies in her bra for the kids DISPLAYING the fact that you're broke then that's only going to make your family look bad. We all know we're broke and at our weakest in quite a while....doesn't mean that you have to display it in the US where you're looking for more supporters
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 10 2012, 09:50 PM
Who was missing from what should be our starting 11 next season?
Monto, Mexes and Pato?
Mexes, Zapata, new midfield signing, Montolivo and Pato.
Posted by: han2503 Aug 10 2012, 09:54 PM
New midfield signing?
Who would that be? Traore 2.0?
Posted by: drucurl Aug 10 2012, 09:57 PM
Acerbi is just a terrible defender imo, what was Galliani thinking when he got him I'll never understand. So slow and with no positional sense
I hate him...maybe it's just the mole
But seriously I hate him
I'd take Maldini out of retirement or Nesta on a free from Montreal (with option to buy) over him....The thing is...sometimes you DO find gold in the dirt* but it goes without saying that you're safer buying it in the jewellery store
* See unknown, not sought after players (Acerbi, Muntari, Traore, Mesbah) from $h!t clubs (Chievo, Inter
, Nancy story, Lecce)
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 10 2012, 10:06 PM
Who would that be? Traore 2.0?
Ricky
Posted by: han2503 Aug 10 2012, 10:22 PM
I'm pretty sure Kaka is not coming
I think this entire ordeal is a smoke screen to give fans hope of a decent signing but Galliani will most likely make a swoop similar to the Zapata one while all everyone is thinking and talking about is Kaka
Posted by: drucurl Aug 10 2012, 10:23 PM
I think this entire ordeal is a smoke screen to give fans hope of a decent signing but Galliani will most likely make a swoop similar to the Zapata one while all everyone is thinking and talking about is Kaka
thanks for busting my bubble on a friday night when my wife's in chicago
Posted by: acid911 Aug 10 2012, 10:24 PM
Nice!The thing about Acerbi is that at that height and build, one has to be really special to be good.
Rarely do you see players that are a few inches over 6-feet be fleet-footed with fast-reflexes. And that's specially damning for a defender. Instead of being a step ahead, you start with two step behind.I'd have taken Astori over him a thousand times over.
Still, I'm not the type to completely write off a player without seeing him don our shirt for an extended period of time. But as of right now, the guy does nothing to inspire confidence at all that he'll come out good. Acerbi isn't helping his cast one bit in these exhibition matches.
Posted by: han2503 Aug 10 2012, 10:29 PM
Use lotion
Posted by: drucurl Aug 10 2012, 10:35 PM
"We are aware that we're a couple of steps behind these big clubs. At the moment, it's important for us to find the right spirit that the team will have all season."
"I don't know what the club are planning next in the market, but they are right to focus on creating the right atmosphere.
@ Zed...it seems that Ambro agrees with Galliani...
i.e.
Posted by: drucurl Aug 10 2012, 10:37 PM
Posted by: han2503 Aug 10 2012, 11:02 PM
The link to the image is broken
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 10 2012, 11:29 PM
Who would that be? Traore 2.0?
Hopefully someone better than Ambrosini, Flamini, Traoré, Muntari etc.
Posted by: William405 Aug 12 2012, 11:17 AM
Palermo vs Milan today?
Posted by: Jack Bauer Aug 12 2012, 11:46 AM
It was cancelled.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 12 2012, 01:23 PM
Any upcoming friendly?
Posted by: Jack Bauer Aug 12 2012, 01:40 PM
The Trofeo Luigi Berlusconi game vs Juve on 19/08 is our last friendly IINM.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 12 2012, 01:44 PM
Hope we loose this one.
Posted by: d'Arc.LP Aug 12 2012, 01:45 PM
Yeah, the history says who ever wins Trofeu, fails in SerieA,.
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 12 2012, 08:22 PM
*lose
Posted by: acid911 Aug 12 2012, 08:48 PM
And to think I mentioned the words 'lose' and 'loose' a couple of days back.
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Aug 12 2012, 08:54 PM
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 12 2012, 10:06 PM
It happens
Posted by: acid911 Aug 12 2012, 10:19 PM
To the best of us, like I also said.
I know a few of other languages (Asian and regional), and since most of them are script based, typos are pretty much non-existent there. European language syntax being modular in nature, leaves much room for errors and typos. And they are good fun when they happen, sometimes hilarious even.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Aug 19 2012, 12:43 AM
Somebody should open a thread about it.
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