[Rossoneri7]

Wasn't Nesta playing as the right centre-back? And wasn't their goal scored from the area the right centre-back is meant to cover?  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

I think people automatically rate Nesta very highly, just because he's Nesta, regardless of how bad he plays. He had a decent game, but the first goal was more his fault than anybodys as it came from the area he was in.

Nesta, Kaladze and Pirlo were the only players that were half decent, and even they made mistakes.

Nesta was man marking Zlatan, who was on the right-side of the box.

BTW ... Cruz's goal, wasn't anyone's fault. Zlatan pulled away two defenders (Nesta and Kakha) along with Gattuso and Oddo, then the ball was swiftly passed on the same line to Cambiasso who gave it to Cruz ... It all happened too fast. Had Zlatan been selfish. We would all be praising Kakha today (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)


Well, in a football game, as in life, mistakes are always going to be there ... It just depends on luck when you commit a mistake.

[bigmacmtl]

Nesta was man marking Zlatan, who was on the right-side of the box.

BTW ... Cruz's goal, wasn't anyone's fault. Zlatan pulled away two defenders (Nesta and Kakha) along with Gattuso and Oddo, then the ball was swiftly passed on the same line to Cambiasso who gave it to Cruz ... It all happened too fast. Had Zlatan been selfish. We would all be praising Kakha today (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
Well, in a football game, as in life, mistakes are always going to be there ... It just depends on luck when you commit a mistake.

no it was no ones fault, not even the fault of the 3 defenders that were next to cruz and dint even attempt to dispossess or tackle him (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

if cesar was the one who made the mistakes and we won 2-1 there would no talk of luck but simply a matter of us being better.

[vnata001]

^^^^^^^"if cesar was the one who made the mistakes and we won 2-1 there would no talk of luck but simply a matter of us being better."

SO TRUE.

This post has been edited by vnata001: Dec 25 2007, 10:38 AM

[vnata001]

alright, take a deep breath..because here goes by far the longest post ive ever written.


there is no point in critically analyzing who specifically was at fault for the goal, and nor does it matter. The greatest defenders in the world (Cannavaro, Nesta, Lucio, Thuram, Puyol..) ALL concede goals. The only reason I even bothered saying Kaladzes name in my previous post when talking about the first goal, was to defer blame from Dida. In reality there is not much a defender can do when an attack is executed to perfection, no matter how good the defender is. That is football, and Inter's attack is as good as itll get.
What can be said that is that Dida isn't the only one at fault. Cruz shot that from maybe 10 feet out. On top of that Kala, whom i don't blame because he was doing his job as best he could, was trying to get in between Cruz and the goal. As a result, he blocked Dida's view and the ball, (and lets not kid ourselves) luckily squeezed through two defenders and rocketed past Dida before he could react.

Cruz did everything perfectly, and was STILL almost closed down. There is always an element of luck to a goal, and even though Cruz did everything perfect..touch it behind the defense and then hold off three defenders, he was lucky to squeeze the shot through 4 legs. As it unfolded, Kaladze blocked the view, Dida can't see clearly, and a hard low shot is hit right inside his post.

its unfair to assign blame to dida, nesta, or kaladze.

instead of nitpicking our players performances, there is a bigger picture that can be taken out of this match...and the way Inter played today opened my eyes to it.

In reality Milan never deserved the win. You may or may not like the truth, but Pippo dove for that spot kick that Pirlo scored. In the EPL thats not a foul.

every goal that was scored in this match was the result of a soft play. Pippo dove for the set up of our goal. Dida was screened and lets a goal in off his hand. Dida dives wrong way after a poor clearance.

In the end, i can't blame any of our players, because they are all skilled and capable of beating anybody in the world as a team. Sure inter may have a better attack, but our attack was capable of beating their defense..In the end, what matters is the situations that the players find themselves in. If they are in the position to accentuate their best qualities, they will..and if they don't, they wont.

In the end of the day, Roberto Mancini outdid Ancelotti. Mancini's strategy worked..and it was to pressure the hell out of Pirlo..How many times did we see Cambiasso forward, in our half, pressuring our defenders as they tried to distribute it to our midfield..and what happened as a result? What happens when Pirlo is squeezed? Kaka gets no service and clarence sees no space to link up with Ricky!
Ambro or Gatusso take a heavy touch, Inter breaks with force and pace in the form of Ibra and Jiminez..and our defense is put into positions where they are more likely to fail than prevail.

Putting Serginho on clearly helped and was an important tactical change, but this is where management is at fault..Is Serginho really our best attacking player off of our bench?..and on FSC when Gila was down in the box for a while holding his ankle..the Fox SOccer CHannel Commentators were talking about how Milan has NO MORE STRIKERS avaliable! if gila got hurt we would have had NO striker on the pitch!

I am losing patience with Ancelotti and management. our players are REALLY good. Good enough to pull off some nice wins and win last years Champions League. But to create a winning machine like barca has been the last few years, and real and inter are becoming..YOU NEED QUALITY DEPTH!

- Madrid brings Soldado, Robben, Saviola, & Higuain to back RVN, Raul, and Robinho! They bring Guti, Gago, and Drenthe to back The Beast, Sneijder, and Diarra. In defense they have Metzelder, Heinze, and Torres to back Ramos, Pepe, Fabio, and Marcelo..
- Inter has Crespo, Cruz, Suazo, Ibra, AND Adri (not currently, but you know what i mean)! That is insane. AND KEEP IN MIND...WE LOST TO THEIR BACK UP MIDFIELD. Figo, Stankovic, and Viera werent even playing! We lost to BACKUPS.
- Barca doesnt skip a beat when Ronaldinho misses a game..because they have SO MUCH flexibility. Xavi, Iniesta, Gudjonsen, Edmilson, Dos Santos, Messi, Deco, AND Yaya Toure..They're problem is having continuity because there are almost too many amazing players.

- In attack AC Milan brings on Gila for Pippo, and Pippo for Gila. In the midfield we bring Serginho and Brocchi on. In defense we bring Favalli and Cafu on..and half the time Bonera we play out of position! Our bench wouldnt make the roster on those teams. for christ sakes Ibrahim Ba!

We have become a little complacent. For the last 4-5 years leading up to last season we really did have the most invinsible team in Europe. Sheva, Crespo, Tomasson, Rui Costa. Our players starters down to the bench insighted fear into opponents..and as a result, we won..and when you win..your happy..and you become one big happy family. (sound familiar?) Well our management and Carlo has gotten a little to used to kicking back and assuming the culture will produce results. We seemed to have forgotten that the PLAYERS WE HAD CREATED THIS WINNING CULTURE & FAMILY ATMOSPHERE.

And another thing management is to blame for, is their apparent disregard for league! they dont seem to care about it, and always say we think CL is more important that Scudetto. Whats that all about? Do you see other big teams slacking off in league? that's a big ridiculous to me.

You can see this complacency in our lack of activity in the transfer zone. We are happy with our players cuz theyve won us so much, and dont see the need to replace them. The lack of new blood leads to lack of urgency in our starters..and as they age, we make pathetic signings to replace great players..and on top of it all WE always have a stupid excuse!

once you add all of this up...you find yourself right where we are today..getting whipped by Inter three derbys in a row..sitting 12th in Serie A. facing the realistic prospect of losing to a good, young, hungry Arsenal side in CL, and possibily bowing out of the Copa Italia to CATANIA..

All of this suddenly makes me think maybe Carlo has just been a beneficiary of having amazing players. Surely the team has done great things the last few years under him..but is the success because of him? or the players weve had. Isnt it kind of hard to suck with Maldini, Stam, Nesta, Cafu, Pirlo, Gatusso, Seedorf, Sheva, Crespo, and Pippo all in their primes? But NOW that we are up against it, Carlo can't get us to win a match in the San Siro! Maybe his sphere of influence as a coach at AC MIlan is coming to an end..now that he doesnt have the amazing talent, it is this sort of situation where a TRULY great coach manages to win anyways..when things start going south with veterans, you start to stir it up, insert some youthful, talented inspiration to light a fire under the vets and keep the development curve of the youth steady. (sir alex ferguson) Instead, when stuff started getting tough Carlo has chosen to stick even harder with the veterans, which isnt really working..and as a result we have no youngsters breaking through the ranks with confidence..

But never fear? because an 18 year old who has played less than a whole year playing professionally in Brazil is now going to walk into the AC MILAN starting 11 and save our season..? i would like to hope so, but forive the skepticism.

[august_milan]

what a post!!! hahaha and yes i read the whole thing.

some very important points came up in this and i don't even wanna talk about blaming cuz that was covered quite well. but the i agree the slacking in the leauge is not acceptable, no other team does that. they even say themselves that they play every match to win but i am not convinced. i think this is due to the lack of depth in the squad and no rotation of tired players. so instead of starting fresh legs milan will field the same team but allow them to play like **** and come out with a tie or mabe even a loss. this is not right.

Along with adding some depth to the team i think milan need to creat some competition within certain positoins, players like serdoff and ambrosini think they are untouchable so if they start to slack of or play lazy like serdoff ancolotti can pull him outa the game n put someone else on and when they start performing they will start n serdoff will sit on the bench making him work harder and perform when he gets time on the pitch to show his worth. our players arent hungry anymore its like they think they can slack for a season or 2 cuz they just won the champions league so they can ride that out for a while.

and to show our lack of depth look at our coppe italia game against catania, we fielded a second team n lost 2-1, now i didnt get to watch that game but i seen the line up n seen the result n dont think thats right.

I also think that the point about alex ferguson (i refuse to call him sir) hold true. a few years ago man u werent winning nothing they had too many veterans in their squad and were underperforming for their reputation and for they money they had to spend. they injected some youth in their squad and look at them now they are a fast paced youthfull side that just won the league. n i dont wanna hear how milan beat them in champions league cuz look at the first game eveyone thaught it was gonna end in a tie n they scored another goal to make it 2-1 in the last min so everyone knows how dangerous they can be.

I would also like the bring up the fact of when they first signed ronaldo, sure he didnt play all that much when he first came, too in experienced, but as years went on if they were down n needed a goal they would put him on let he show wat he can do. He got lucky wiht some injurys in the squad and got to start when he showed that he was worth keeping when he would start when he stated palyin selfish or tried showboating too much n was loosing too much posession fergie would pull him off. but ultamatly he was gettin more opportunity to play than gourcuff is now n i think milan can learn something from what they did with ronaldo because i think that gourcuff has the potential to be that great.

[dst]

Had Zlatan been selfish. We would all be praising Kakha today (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Yeah and had a meteorite fell onto San Siro we would still be counting dead bodies... (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

This post has been edited by dst: Dec 25 2007, 08:27 PM

[Rossoneri7]

Yeah and had a meteorite fell onto San Siro we would still be counting dead bodies...  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

So I see you've taken sarcasm as a profession

[Zed.D]

alex ferguson (i refuse to call him sir)

(IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Why?

[misha]

(IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Why?

because of his profound love for United (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[august_milan]

because of his profound love for United (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

because people were knighted for doing something heroic for thier country and should be recognized for it not just go around knighting every tom **** and harry....only a club like man u would do something that arrogant. so then malidni should be titled Sir Paulo Maldini if you ask me. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif)

[misha]

because people were knighted for doing something heroic for thier country and should be recognized for it not just go around knighting every tom **** and harry....only a club like man u would do something that arrogant. so then malidni should be titled Sir Paulo Maldini if you ask me. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif)

Maldini is way above Sir. Poalo is King (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif)

It's not a club's decision, but it's a shame that Ferguson got it, and legend managers like Bill Shankly and Bob Paisley never did.

This post has been edited by mishale: Dec 26 2007, 03:32 AM

[bigmacmtl]

alright, take a deep breath..because here goes by far the longest post ive ever written.
there is no point in critically analyzing who specifically was at fault for the goal, and nor does it matter. The greatest defenders in the world (Cannavaro, Nesta, Lucio, Thuram, Puyol..) ALL concede goals. The only reason I even bothered saying Kaladzes name in my previous post when talking about the first goal, was to defer blame from Dida. In reality there is not much a defender can do when an attack is executed to perfection, no matter how good the defender is. That is football, and Inter's attack is as good as itll get.
What can be said that is that Dida isn't the only one at fault. Cruz shot that from maybe 10 feet out. On top of that Kala, whom i don't blame because he was doing his job as best he could, was trying to get in between Cruz and the goal. As a result, he blocked Dida's view and the ball, (and lets not kid ourselves) luckily squeezed through two defenders and rocketed past Dida before he could react.

Cruz did everything perfectly, and was STILL almost closed down. There is always an element of luck to a goal, and even though Cruz did everything perfect..touch it behind the defense and then hold off three defenders, he was lucky to squeeze the shot through 4 legs. As it unfolded, Kaladze blocked the view, Dida can't see clearly, and a hard low shot is hit right inside his post.

its unfair to assign blame to dida, nesta, or kaladze.

instead of nitpicking our players performances, there is a bigger picture that can be taken out of this match...and the way Inter played today opened my eyes to it.

In reality Milan never deserved the win. You may or may not like the truth, but Pippo dove for that spot kick that Pirlo scored. In the EPL thats not a foul.

every goal that was scored in this match was the result of a soft play. Pippo dove for the set up of our goal. Dida was screened and lets a goal in off his hand. Dida dives wrong way after a poor clearance.

In the end, i can't blame any of our players, because they are all skilled and capable of beating anybody in the world as a team. Sure inter may have a better attack, but our attack was capable of beating their defense..In the end, what matters is the situations that the players find themselves in. If they are in the position to accentuate their best qualities, they will..and if they don't, they wont.

In the end of the day, Roberto Mancini outdid Ancelotti. Mancini's strategy worked..and it was to pressure the hell out of Pirlo..How many times did we see Cambiasso forward, in our half, pressuring our defenders as they tried to distribute it to our midfield..and what happened as a result? What happens when Pirlo is squeezed? Kaka gets no service and clarence sees no space to link up with Ricky!
Ambro or Gatusso take a heavy touch, Inter breaks with force and pace in the form of Ibra and Jiminez..and our defense is put into positions where they are more likely to fail than prevail.

Putting Serginho on clearly helped and was an important tactical change, but this is where management is at fault..Is Serginho really our best attacking player off of our bench?..and on FSC when Gila was down in the box for a while holding his ankle..the Fox SOccer CHannel Commentators were talking about how Milan has NO MORE STRIKERS avaliable! if gila got hurt we would have had NO striker on the pitch!

I am losing patience with Ancelotti and management. our players are REALLY good. Good enough to pull off some nice wins and win last years Champions League. But to create a winning machine like barca has been the last few years, and real and inter are becoming..YOU NEED QUALITY DEPTH!

- Madrid brings Soldado, Robben, Saviola, & Higuain to back RVN, Raul, and Robinho! They bring Guti, Gago, and Drenthe to back The Beast, Sneijder, and Diarra. In defense they have Metzelder, Heinze, and Torres to back Ramos, Pepe, Fabio, and Marcelo..
- Inter has Crespo, Cruz, Suazo, Ibra, AND Adri (not currently, but you know what i mean)! That is insane. AND KEEP IN MIND...WE LOST TO THEIR BACK UP MIDFIELD. Figo, Stankovic, and Viera werent even playing! We lost to BACKUPS.
- Barca doesnt skip a beat when Ronaldinho misses a game..because they have SO MUCH flexibility. Xavi, Iniesta, Gudjonsen, Edmilson, Dos Santos, Messi, Deco, AND Yaya Toure..They're problem is having continuity because there are almost too many amazing players.

- In attack AC Milan brings on Gila for Pippo, and Pippo for Gila. In the midfield we bring Serginho and Brocchi on. In defense we bring Favalli and Cafu on..and half the time Bonera we play out of position! Our bench wouldnt make the roster on those teams. for christ sakes Ibrahim Ba!

We have become a little complacent. For the last 4-5 years leading up to last season we really did have the most invinsible team in Europe. Sheva, Crespo, Tomasson, Rui Costa. Our players starters down to the bench insighted fear into opponents..and as a result, we won..and when you win..your happy..and you become one big happy family. (sound familiar?) Well our management and Carlo has gotten a little to used to kicking back and assuming the culture will produce results. We seemed to have forgotten that the PLAYERS WE HAD CREATED THIS WINNING CULTURE & FAMILY ATMOSPHERE.

And another thing management is to blame for, is their apparent disregard for league! they dont seem to care about it, and always say we think CL is more important that Scudetto. Whats that all about? Do you see other big teams slacking off in league? that's a big ridiculous to me.

You can see this complacency in our lack of activity in the transfer zone. We are happy with our players cuz theyve won us so much, and dont see the need to replace them. The lack of new blood leads to lack of urgency in our starters..and as they age, we make pathetic signings to replace great players..and on top of it all WE always have a stupid excuse!

once you add all of this up...you find yourself right where we are today..getting whipped by Inter three derbys in a row..sitting 12th in Serie A. facing the realistic prospect of losing to a good, young, hungry Arsenal side in CL, and possibily bowing out of the Copa Italia to CATANIA..

All of this suddenly makes me think maybe Carlo has just been a beneficiary of having amazing players. Surely the team has done great things the last few years under him..but is the success because of him? or the players weve had. Isnt it kind of hard to suck with Maldini, Stam, Nesta, Cafu, Pirlo, Gatusso, Seedorf, Sheva, Crespo, and Pippo all in their primes? But NOW that we are up against it, Carlo can't get us to win a match in the San Siro! Maybe his sphere of influence as a coach at AC MIlan is coming to an end..now that he doesnt have the amazing talent, it is this sort of situation where a TRULY great coach manages to win anyways..when things start going south with veterans, you start to stir it up, insert some youthful, talented inspiration to light a fire under the vets and keep the development curve of the youth steady. (sir alex ferguson) Instead, when stuff started getting tough Carlo has chosen to stick even harder with the veterans, which isnt really working..and as a result we have no youngsters breaking through the ranks with confidence..

But never fear? because an 18 year old who has played less than a whole year playing professionally in Brazil is now going to walk into the AC MILAN starting 11 and save our season..? i would like to hope so, but forive the skepticism.

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[Jack Sparrow]

Match Report ESPNSTAR

I hope this link works.

I thought Seedorf was really sh!t. I didn't know he was hurt early, and was subbed at half time.

It is a good read, this article.

[Rossoneri7]

Match Report ESPNSTAR

I hope this link works.

I thought Seedorf was really sh!t. I didn't know he was hurt early, and was subbed at half time.

It is a good read, this article.

Both Seedorf and Gattuso were hurt prior to taking the field. But seeing as they are integral parts of this current set-up, they had to start no matter what.

Yeah, Clarence didn't do much, but you could tell that he put in all he could when handling the ball.