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post Nov 4 2019, 09:58 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 4 2019, 09:54 PM) *
Sorry Danny, but comparing Milan to the likes of Leeds, Hamburg, Rangers and Nottingham is a huge insult.

If we take the whole history of football of the last, let's say, 65 years (since the first European Cup was played), I'd argue that in terms of trophies, players and overall prestige we come second only to Real Madrid.

We've had 12 European Cup/Champions League finals, 7 of which won. We've won 18 FIFA and UEFA trophies, a record three Intercontinental Cups and one FIFA Club World Cup, the UEFA Super Cup a record five times, and the Cup Winners' Cup twice.

We've produced one if not the best and most influential football sides under Sacchi, not to mention the 8 Ballon d'Or wins by 6 players, only second to Real Madrid and Barcelona (clearly boosted by the recent wins of Ronaldo and Messi).

And in Italy we're the second most successful club after Juventus.

We are giants of football, and we'll find our way back to the top eventually. Can't say when, but we'll never get relegated or fail financially. We're just too big to fail.


And those players just lost. I respect your opinions folks but I've said my piece and just hope you guys are right and not I.
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post Nov 5 2019, 12:27 AM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Nov 4 2019, 09:57 PM) *
Take your point but the reality is having a name value and history doesn't really mean anything.

It doesn't guarantee survival any more than players just 'turning up' to matches means they'll win.

I do find it interesting you say Hamburg was never a true German giant, when Milan ourselves won all our UCLs bar two since the 80s, have never won the Uefa Cup, and won half our 18 titles before 1980 (81 years) where the 40 years since we won the other half.

Does our success mostly being in the modern era make us also not a true Italian giant?

Seems a little unfair to grade a team's success based on when they had it.


By that logic Real Madrid won 5 of their 13 Champions League titles in the 50s when football was still an amateur sport. And after their 1966 success they didn't win back the trophy in 31 years.

I don't think it's fair to look at a club's success like that.

Yes, we did reach mainstream success after Silvio took over, but before that we had already won 2 European Cups and 10 league titles. That's a very good record. UEFA Cup? That's a petty trophy, always has been.

Successful clubs tend to have long breaks once in a while. Madrid, as I mentioned, is a good example. Barcelona won only 2 league titles from 1960 to 1990. That's 30 years! Manchester United didn't win a single league title from 1967 to 1992. Liverpool haven't won the league since 1990. Arsenal have been shite for about 15 years now.

We're in a very bad place, but history teaches that the football greats do manage to get back on their feet. We'll get there eventually.
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QUOTE (Danny @ Nov 4 2019, 09:58 PM) *
And those players just lost.


What do you mean?
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post Nov 5 2019, 01:24 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 5 2019, 12:27 AM) *
By that logic Real Madrid won 5 of their 13 Champions League titles in the 50s when football was still an amateur sport. And after their 1966 success they didn't win back the trophy in 31 years.

I don't think it's fair to look at a club's success like that.


Exactly! That's precisely my point!

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Yes, we did reach mainstream success after Silvio took over, but before that we had already won 2 European Cups and 10 league titles. That's a very good record. UEFA Cup? That's a petty trophy, always has been.

Successful clubs tend to have long breaks once in a while. Madrid, as I mentioned, is a good example. Barcelona won only 2 league titles from 1960 to 1990. That's 30 years! Manchester United didn't win a single league title from 1967 to 1992. Liverpool haven't won the league since 1990. Arsenal have been shite for about 15 years now.

We're in a very bad place, but history teaches that the football greats do manage to get back on their feet. We'll get there eventually.


The good example in our favour is Liverpool. Barren spell from late 80s to basically last year, excluding 2005. That's essentially 40 years of tumbleweed.

You're right, the greats do get back on their feet, but it can take a lifetime for it to happen.
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post Nov 7 2019, 11:31 PM
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Some more context. Celtic beat Lazio home and away. Milan couldn't handle the latter at San Siro and lost. Rangers beat Porto 2-0 btw.

There is basically no hope for this club for a very very long time.

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post Nov 10 2019, 08:35 PM
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Donnarumma; Conti, Duarte, Romagnoli, Hernandez; Bennacer, Krunic, Paqueta; Suso, Piatek, Calhanoglu.

Prediction: 3-1
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post Nov 10 2019, 08:41 PM
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Why is Conti starting again?

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post Nov 10 2019, 09:15 PM
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Holding steady so far
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post Nov 10 2019, 09:29 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 10 2019, 08:41 PM) *
Why is Conti starting again?


Because Calabria is terrible.
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post Nov 10 2019, 09:33 PM
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Pretty good first half...
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post Nov 10 2019, 09:34 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 10 2019, 09:29 PM) *
Because Calabria is terrible.

I think Conti is far worse, and a much bigger liability in defense.
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post Nov 10 2019, 09:36 PM
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Decent first half. Team is holding well, but let's not kid ourselves. This is exactly the kind of game we end top losing in the end.

Weakest links: Krunic and Piatek. The guys are so limited when it comes to dribbling and passing, they hurt whatever flow of play we might create every now and then.

Strongest links: Hernandez and Paqueta. Great first half from them.
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 10 2019, 09:34 PM) *
I think Conti is far worse, and a much bigger liability in defense.


Think again. Calabria is a disaster.
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post Nov 10 2019, 09:40 PM
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Yes, decent first half. Let's see what happens in the 2nd half. Juve are not on their game today.

Special mention to Bennacer..this kid is good.

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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 10 2019, 09:36 PM) *
Decent first half. Team is holding well, but let's not kid ourselves. This is exactly the kind of game we end top losing in the end.

Weakest links: Krunic and Piatek. The guys are so limited when it comes to dribbling and passing, they hurt whatever flow of play we might create every now and then.

Strongest links: Hernandez and Paqueta. Great first half from them.

Disagree on Krunic, his real drawback is that he's slow. Other than that, I really like him and actually think his passing is pretty good, certainly a lot more smart and aware than Kessie. Piatek is constantly up against 2 strong CBs, he's going to struggle no matter what

I think Hakan and Suso are bigger let downs. I expect more from them

Agreed on Paqueta and Hernandez, but I'd also add Romagnoli and Bennacer to the list. Both of which have been flawless imo

And yeah, with our luck, we'll lose this in the last few minutes, which is typical for us

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 10 2019, 09:36 PM) *
Think again. Calabria is a disaster.

Nuh uh. Conti is much worse. Calabria is no doubt going through a rough patch of form, but I'd pick him over Conti any day of the week.
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