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AC Milan - Milanfan.com _ Polls _ Were Milan right to reject Chelsea's reported £80m bid for Kaka?
Posted by: m1ke Jul 22 2008, 10:07 AM
Although Chelsea have denied it, their interest in Kaka has been evident for years and the sums of money being mentioned recently are not out of reach for Abramovic. Chelsea want Kaka, and seem to be prepared to offer obscene amounts of money to get him.
The recent arrival of Ronaldinho has only added fuel to the fire, with Kaka's personal assistant telling the press that Kaka would welcome the move. Were Milan right to reject such an offer? The club have reported debts of close to £30m due to lost Champions League revenue - the sale would see these wiped out and would leave a substantial amount left over for further re-enforcements this summer (most notably a new No.1).
How much would it take for you to hand Kaka over to Chelsea?
Posted by: m1ke Jul 22 2008, 10:43 AM
One of the better Blog posts to come out of C4:
Milan continue to maintain that Kaka is untouchable. Chelsea, for their part, insist that they’ve made no bid. But what if, hypothetically, the London club really did come in with an offer in excess of £100m for the Brazilian? The Italian outfit would surely have to consider it.
It certainly wouldn’t be an easy or popular decision to sacrifice Kaka, but it would make financial and footballing sense. Milan would obviously be losing a great, great player, but the fee received would potentially give them the sort of funds needed to significantly strengthen the side in other areas.
It’s no secret that this present Rossoneri incarnation is three star players short of being classed amongst the very strongest on the planet. They may have brought in Ronaldinho – and don’t we know it after their over-the-top San Siro presentation – but they still lack a quality centre-forward, a central defender and a goalkeeper.
The club have basically admitted to as much over the summer when they made moves for Fiorentina custodian Sebastien Frey and striker Emanuel Adebayor of Arsenal. Why did they fail to land the pair? Because they were frightened off by their, arguably inflated, asking prices. If only they had a spare £100m in the bank…
Juventus have shown in the past what making such a brave decision can lead to. In 2001 they accepted a world record £50m offer from Real Madrid for Zinedine Zidane, then used that as part of the total figure they spent in the same summer on Gigi Buffon, Lilian Thuram and Pavel Nedved.
Of course, you can justifiably argue that it’s irrelevant to compare the two Italian giants as Juventus were self-sufficient under the Triade reign. Then President Vittorio Chiusano said at the time: “It would have been a poor example of administration if we hadn’t sold him. Balance sheets have no emotion.”
Milan, on the other hand, are funded to a degree by Silvio Berlusconi’s personal fortune and run with sentiment. Just look at the number of veterans who are handed new contracts on a yearly basis and how many former players are integrated into the club, at some level, once they hang up their boots.
It’s for that reason that if Chelsea are serious about landing Kaka, then it is going to take a ‘silly’ offer of what is being suggested to prise him away from a club who clearly adore him. But no matter what bond joins the two, every player has his price. It just remains to be seen what Kaka’s is.
Posted by: weeeow Jul 22 2008, 10:46 AM
Kaka' is just our golden boy - he is priceless. 
And I beg him not to leave and do a sheva on us... 
Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 22 2008, 11:22 AM
Of course yes. selling Kaka right after signing Ronaldinho? that would cause a rebel in Milan, seriously. it doesn't matter how much money Chelsea offer. we just can't take this risk this year when we don't even know how well will Ronaldinho do for us.
Posted by: dst Jul 22 2008, 12:22 PM
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There is no question here.
Posted by: acid911 Jul 22 2008, 12:27 PM
What dst said. 
Only sell Kaka when (and if) the player himself wants a change of atmosphere. He's mentioned countless times that he'll only leave when the club doesn't want him here. I can't see that happening before the year 2013, if not later.
Posted by: dst Jul 22 2008, 12:33 PM
Only sell Kaka when (and if) the player himself wants a change of atmosphere. He's mentioned countless times that he'll only leave when the club doesn't want him here. I can't see that happening before the year 2013, if not later.Actually, if we fail to win anything next season and a debt is created I can see Milan selling him.
I wish I'm wrong. Or better, I wish we win Serie A! 
Posted by: misha Jul 22 2008, 12:42 PM
Zidane was 29 back then. Kaka is 26, at his prime and a player who distinguishing Milan from other clubs. We might buy a few players with his transfer money but we'll lose that special something that no club has. To sell him now will be a huge mistake.
Posted by: han2503 Jul 22 2008, 05:30 PM
Of course they were right to reject it.
Kaka is one of those special players that you just can't put a price on. If we do ever sell him it will be after he hits 30 like we did with Sheva and still be able to get a big sum on him. But right now it would be a mistake on the club's part to sell the player.
Milan have Silvio behind them if he really wanted he can provide the funds to not only wipe out the dept but also provide for the GK and CB, just like Abramovic does. Why he's not doing this anymore I don't know but the dept of the club doesn't striker me as much of a big issue as Galliani makes it out to be. A lot of other big clubs have dept that ours doesn't even begin to compare to
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 22 2008, 06:51 PM
Yes. Kaka' is more valuable to us than £80m. Who exactly could you buy for £80m to replace him? The only better player on the planet right now is Ronaldo, and I don't want him here, he'd probably cost more anyway.
Posted by: han2503 Jul 22 2008, 07:24 PM
I don't think Ronaldo is better then Kaka and yes I am biased here but comparing both when they are at top form I don't think Ronaldo can touch Kaka. Kaka might not do a million step overs, he is direct and most importantly effective.
We can't compare both players from their performances of last season since Kaka was mostly playing through injury
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 22 2008, 08:17 PM
Yeah, I mean even if it would be a boost for the club's finances. Milan still need Kaka' for several reasons, apart from what he adds to the team; he fills the stadium up, he is a great marketing tool and is a very humble person for his stature.
If it was Silvio Berlusconi, he would only sell him when he has passed his peak (just like Sheva) .. But Milan as a club, might sell him for several reasons. Even if Milan wins the Scudetto, if the financial situation in Italy remains at the same pace (i.e. Debt is 10x GDP) who knows
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Jul 22 2008, 08:54 PM
Who voted No??! 
Posted by: acid911 Jul 22 2008, 09:13 PM
Yeah, who did? There was one member who voted no the last time I checked, and now there are three.
Either way Kaka is the face of Milan at the moment (even in Football management games), so it's best we keep him as long as he keeps living his usefulness. And then a few more years if he decides to sell his soul to us.But selling Kaka for $$$ (or lack of it, thereof) makes no sense to me. Even if we do, I can't think of mixing and matching 2-3 world class players who'd weigh in more than what Kaka means to Milan as of right now. C. Ronaldo, Messi or Casilas come to mind, but they're untouchables.
The rest don't add up, either due to their age or the fact that they are plain over-hyped.Long story short, it's a big fat Yes from my end. Now is neither the time for it, nor the need. Thank you, please drive through.
Posted by: Habitant Jul 22 2008, 10:12 PM
when he turns 29 i'd sell him for 50m+ if the offer came around.
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Jul 23 2008, 12:23 AM
Thats not very loyal so to speak...
Besides you can't know what the future holds for us ahead, who told you Kaka was going to be like others (avg.) and look to deplete after the age of 29? Further more, hopefully if Kaka stays till that time with us his loyalty and love for the club would out weigh, his desire to experience life at new clubs &/or leagues.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jul 23 2008, 09:38 AM
When he turns 33, I'd release him to go play for Sao Paulo, and then I'll hire him to replace Leonardo, presuming he's got some eye for talent.
I'm more interested in Pirlo getting in coaching though. I can't see him coaching any other club other than Milan. Coz here he has a reputation. Any other club, I don't think he's that much of a disciplinarian. Probably would need Rino alongside him as an assistant.
EDIT: Even though I voted yes, I'll be interested in the poll results, after maybe 3 or 4 seasons. After he's had a few bad seasons, and is no longer the stellar performer. When other players start outshining him.
Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 23 2008, 09:43 AM
I don't see a reason why he should retire at a club other than Milan.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jul 23 2008, 10:35 AM
Well no real reason. Just that, I thought he might like to go back to Brazil some day, for his childhood club. It's what we usually do. Like we did with Rui.
Posted by: dst Jul 23 2008, 11:08 AM
If it was up to Milan, Rui Costa would have ended his career at Milan.
Posted by: m1ke Jul 23 2008, 11:09 AM
For the people voting yes - do you think every player has his price? At what sum would you start to consider his sale (if at all?)
Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 23 2008, 11:12 AM
I don't think Kaka would leave Milan for Sao Paulo to retire, after having played more than a decade here (from 20-21 to 33-4). I think it's more likely that he well retire here, on a high.
Posted by: dst Jul 23 2008, 11:15 AM
Not for sale! Unless it's something crazy (above £150m) I would not even consider it.
Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 23 2008, 11:18 AM
If I were Galliani and I had to sell Kaka, it would have been for £45 million, maximum.
EDIT: IMO no player costs more than £50 million. it's stupidity to pay more than that for a single player. even if it's Kaka.
Posted by: m1ke Jul 23 2008, 11:19 AM
Ah, so you would sell him for £150m?
Posted by: dst Jul 23 2008, 11:30 AM
I would consider it.
Depending on the choices that were available in the market to replace him and depending on how complete my squad would be (if it was complete and I did not need the money to buy 3 or 4 great players then I would not sell him) there is a possibility that I would sell him.
EDIT: IMO no player costs more than £50 million. it's stupidity to pay more than that for a single player. even if it's Kaka.
Are you crazy mate? We're on the seller's side...
what do you care how much the buyers are willing to spend? And the days of rational valuation are long gone...
Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 23 2008, 11:42 AM
what do you care how much the buyers are willing to spend? And the days of rational valuation are long gone...
Well, you're right. I was looking at it more from a buyer's point of view 
But Imagine financial problems force us to sell him. we can't put a £150 million price tag on his head! no one would buy. it should be reasonable price, and £45 million is. it's almost world record [Zidane was sold for a few more millions than this I think]
Posted by: han2503 Jul 23 2008, 02:29 PM
Well, you're right. I was looking at it more from a buyer's point of view But Imagine financial problems force us to sell him. we can't put a £150 million price tag on his head! no one would buy. it should be reasonable price, and £45 million is. it's almost world record [Zidane was sold for a few more millions than this I think]
Yes but Zidane was sold during a time when prices weren't as inflated as they are now. If Sheva at 30 was sold for £30m then surely Kaka at 26 would be sold for twice that if not more.
Personally I don't think Milan should sell him for whatever price is offered, the whole poverty stint has been used in the past by Galliani and we still bought players like Nesta and Rui, so I'm not worried. The English media keep talking about how Milan are in the red so they have to sell, but they fail to mention that all of their top clubs are in dept. Not to mention the supposed buyers of Kaka, who if Abramovic were to get tired and bored by Chelsea he would leave them in a bottomless pit of dept, Chelsea as a company has been losing money for these last 5 years.
Kaka is one of those few players that you can't put a price on, same goes for Pirlo, from where are you going to find a replacement for these 2 players?
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 23 2008, 03:49 PM
There is no reason for Milan (as a club to sell him), unless the economical situation deteriorates even further in Italy. Even then, Silvio would be the decisive factor in such a situation.
I doubt Kaka' would be sold though, as Capello described it, Kaka' is the new flag of Milan, just as Maldini was in the past.
Posted by: acid911 Jul 23 2008, 07:44 PM
No, I don't think. Yes, they have value, but for some players you just can't put a price.
Case being Paolo, Totti, even Del Piero. They show so much love and loyalty to their club that they become priceless. Then again, most become priceless when they are near the end of their careers, not when they are young and starting.Yeah, he's the new face of Milan, as I like to call him.
Paolo was the face, but now he's the icon.
Posted by: I_Rossoneri Jul 23 2008, 07:47 PM
I voted yes and I realise that nearly every player has their price, but without Kaka Milan were nothing last season so for me Kaka is priceless
Let chelsea get that 'superstar' Robinho instead
Posted by: m1ke Jul 23 2008, 08:24 PM
For the record, I voted yes. I've always been of the opinion that it's not so much about the fee you receive, but about the options you've got when it comes to a replacement. In my opinion, Kaka is irreplaceable - for what he does both on and off the field.
Obviously Milan is in a very privileged position in that they can afford to turn down offers such as these. Most other clubs do not have that option (however highly they or the fans rate the player).
Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 23 2008, 09:11 PM
If he goes to the EPL, it'd be only a matter of time before someone breaks his leg into two pieces.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 24 2008, 12:10 AM
£100m
Kaka' isn't worth that much, nobody is, but if you're not willing to sell a player then you need to put a stupid price on him, one that will soften the blow when he leaves.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jul 24 2008, 06:47 AM
Well...I might consider it for say a spectacular player exchange or something. Like in the case of Madrid, if they were to give Sergio Ramos + Robinho + Casillas + 20 million. I would really have to think then.
Posted by: han2503 Jul 24 2008, 12:26 PM
Sneijder + Robinho + Casillas + 50 million (I mean come on this is Madrid I bet that they would be willing to do something this stupid
) btw, I wouldn't want Ramos anywhere near Milan 
Oh and if it were to Chelsea and they would offer something like this I would consider it also, Cech + Essien + Drogba + 60m
It would be the most relaistic thing I could see if Abramovic really, really wanted Kaka I would imagine he would do anything to get him even something like that
Posted by: acid911 Jul 25 2008, 09:24 PM
AMEN. I don't doubt him as a player, but the only good thing he's done in recent memory was when he wore the Peurta shirt at the time when Spain won the Euros.
That's about the only classy thing I recall seeing from him. When he comes to defense, he gets the job done. And done good. Truth is I've been spoiled with people like Paolo prowling our penalty area, guys like Ramos don't cut it for me.
Posted by: dst Jul 26 2008, 12:27 PM
He did that? I had not heard, kudos to him. But he's still an arrogant a-hole...
Posted by: acid911 Jul 26 2008, 12:35 PM
Yup. I turned off the TV at the final whistle, and didn't bother to see the celebrations.
Never knew that up until I saw a picture of the Spanish team with the Euro cup in a local magazine. Ramos was in the center wearing the Peurta shirt. At first impression I thought it was Torres, but anyway it was a classy thing to do, which no other Spanish player bothered to do. Honestly, now was the time to remember Puerta, not five years down the road. Oh well.But like you said, that still doesn't turn Ramos into a saint.
He's as full of himself as they come.
Posted by: Bluesummers Jul 26 2008, 05:40 PM
why there is a poll i dont understand and furthermore why there are votes for no i dont understand either. If we lose kaka we lose our teams entire style. Kaka cannot leave until we have found a young replacement for him.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 26 2008, 09:35 PM
You answered the first part of your post, with the last part of your post. IF we found a replacement for him, on the cheap, why not take the £80m?
Posted by: I_Rossoneri Jul 26 2008, 10:24 PM
Kaka for all that, I might think for a moment...and still say no
Posted by: I_Rossoneri Jul 26 2008, 10:28 PM
I doubt Kaka' would be sold though, as Capello described it, Kaka' is the new flag of Milan, just as Maldini was in the past.
I like that quote
Hopefully he'll be captain sooner rather than later.
Posted by: han2503 Jul 27 2008, 04:48 PM
Hopefully he'll be captain sooner rather than later.
Brocchi and Kaladze are above him in the pecking order
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Jul 27 2008, 05:06 PM
Rules would have to change imo - if Brocchi ever becomes next in line for captaincy!
Hopefully he will LEAVE sooner than later!
Posted by: han2503 Jul 27 2008, 11:36 PM
Hopefully he will LEAVE sooner than later!
Pecking order should be
Paolo (ofcourse
)Ambro
Rino
Pirlo
Nesta
Kaka
And if push comes to shove like in the friendly the band should have been given to Seedorf not Brocchi
Posted by: acid911 Jul 27 2008, 11:44 PM
Completely agree with your list. Too bad Nesta and Pirlo never will be considered. 
Nesta in particular. He was more than great as Lazio captain. In fact, I'd put him behind Paolo when it comes to overall experience and value. He is our only player who can walk into any world side, after Kaka.
Posted by: Tennie Jul 27 2008, 11:56 PM
According to an article on acmilan.com some weeks ago (it's in the Maldini thread), the order is thus:
Paolo Maldini: The 2008-09 season is the 25th in Milan's first team
Massimo Ambrosini: 2008-09, 13th season with Milan
Rino Gattuso: 2008-09, 10th season with Milan
Kakha Kaladze: 2008-09, 9th season with Milan
Christian Abbiati: 2008-09, 8th season with Milan
Nelson Dida: 2008-09, 8th season with Milan
Filippo Inzaghi: 2008-09, 8th season with Milan
Andrea Pirlo: 2008-09, 8th season with Milan
Cristian Brocchi: 2008-09, 7th season with Milan
Sandro Nesta: 2008-09, 7th season with Milan
Clarence Seedorf: 2008-09, 7th season with Milan
Ricardo Kakà : 2008-09, 6th season with Milan
I agree that Nesta probably wouldn't take the armband even if he was eligible (and Milan does seem to operate on the seniority principle, just like the Azzurri do). He's still - and will always be - a symbol of Lazio.
Posted by: acid911 Jul 28 2008, 12:36 AM
Symbol of Lazio, I know. I understand Milan doesn't work this way, but he'd look great in the captains armband. In fact, he's one of our very few star players - players who everyone on the planet knows about: Paolo, Nesta, Inzaghi and Kaka and Seedorf. Even my friends from England to Namibia (and other places) know of Nesta as the top defender currently at his peak.
Outside the world of AC Milan guys like Ambrosini, Gattuso, Kaladze, Abbiati (huh?), to an extent Pirlo and Brocchi can't show a light to Nesta. The guy's just behind Paolo in being the best CB in the world (along with Cannavaro). WORLD. But then again, it's the inside that counts. Unfortunately. It's another matter entirely that he still has a Lazio heart. In a perfect world I'd have picked Paolo, Nesta, and then Kaka, Pirlo in that order, judging players by their experience as well as stature in world football.
It's a good thing Brocchi isn't in his 17th year at Milan, or I'd most certainly have fallen sick.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 28 2008, 02:15 AM
I like it how they claim Abbiati is loyal as it's his 8th season.. then also consider him a new signing.
Posted by: whoarethepatriots Jul 28 2008, 03:51 AM
We cant sell Kaka now matter how the big the price as there will be no one good enough (tactically at least and also talent wise) who can slot in easily
Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 28 2008, 06:35 AM
Paolo Maldini: The 2008-09 season is the 25th in Milan's first team
Massimo Ambrosini: 2008-09, 13th season with Milan
Rino Gattuso: 2008-09, 10th season with Milan
Kakha Kaladze: 2008-09, 9th season with Milan
Christian Abbiati: 2008-09, 8th season with Milan
Nelson Dida: 2008-09, 8th season with Milan
Filippo Inzaghi: 2008-09, 8th season with Milan
Andrea Pirlo: 2008-09, 8th season with Milan
Cristian Brocchi: 2008-09, 7th season with Milan
Sandro Nesta: 2008-09, 7th season with Milan
Clarence Seedorf: 2008-09, 7th season with Milan
Ricardo Kakà : 2008-09, 6th season with Milan
I agree that Nesta probably wouldn't take the armband even if he was eligible (and Milan does seem to operate on the seniority principle, just like the Azzurri do). He's still - and will always be - a symbol of Lazio.
I don't think this is the pecking order for captaincy. it's just showing how many season they've had with Milan. I think there should more important factors to be considered.
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