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Posted by: Jack Sparrow Apr 27 2016, 02:33 PM

Just some tidbits that popped up on Football-Italia.

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Reports say Silvio Berlusconi has agreed to sell Milan to a Chinese group of investors for €700m.

Tuttosport writes today that Berlusconi has accepted the offer to sell the Rossoneri after a long and intense series of negotiations.

The talks were concluded at a law firm in Rome according to the newspaper, who believe that a preliminary agreement will be signed between Friday and Monday.

There were reports this morning that Jack Ma is leading the Chinese group, but the official identity of the investors is still unknown.

Tuttosport believes that Robin Li, the sixth most powerful man in China according to Forbes, is also a possible investor.

The group will take over 100 per cent of the club’s shares, an initial 70 per cent and then the further 30 per cent over the course of a year.

The Chinese bidders put between €700-720m on the table to buy the San Siro giants, says the report.

The phase of due diligence, where the club’s accounts are analysed, was completed last week according to the paper.


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Jack Ma, China’s richest man, is reportedly leading the group interested in Milan and he wants to build a new stadium.

La Repubblica reports today that Ma, founder of the Alibaba group and co-owner of Chinese club Guangzhou Evergrande, is heading the group that are in talks to take over the Rossoneri.

The investors from Peking should get a reply from President Silvio Berlusconi before the end of the week about whether they can enter exclusive negotiations.

If they get the go-ahead, the analysis of Milan’s accounts will begin which could be concluded quite quickly.

Therefore the outlet writes that if everything goes smoothly, a deal could be signed off by mid-June.

One of Ma’s first projects would be to build a new stadium owned by the club, says the report.

Another change that could take place would be the insertion of former Guangzhou Coach Marcello Lippi as technical director, according to the newspaper.

Ma’s Alibaba group includes Taobao (the Chinese Ebay), Aliplay (an electronic payment system), Weibo (the Chinese Twitter) and Alibaba pictures ($3m of investment in the film industry.)

According to Forbes magazine he has an estimated net worth of $24.1 billion and is the 18th richest person in the world.


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Milan’s holding company Fininvest has reportedly denied that Silvio Berlusconi has sold the club for €700m.

Reports emerged today that the Rossoneri owner had agreed to sell the club to a group of Chinese investors, possibly led by billionaire Jack Ma.

However, Milan News has reported that they have received a communication from Fininvest denying the rumours that a sale had taken place.

Pier Silvio Berlusconi, son of the Diavolo chief, has also denied any knowledge of a sale taking place today.



More than the takeover going through, I'm interested to see who they bring in as staff. I would be really interested to see how this works out.

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 27 2016, 06:41 PM

Mediaset says Silvio hasn't agreed to sell the club or part of the shares, but rather has agreed to consider such a possibility and is examining who the Chinese-American group might propose as possible investors. They also say that Jack Ma is not part of the group.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 28 2016, 10:02 AM

Silvio is keen on selling the club, has been for a while. Problem is he is not receiving the valuation he deems acceptable. issue with that is Milan's valuation today is lower than it was two years ago and significantly lower two years prior and so on and so forth.

On the investor's side, football in Italy is not a profitable prospect. The investor could have other motives other than profit when initiating to buy Milan. And the valuation will be determine whether a deal can be made or not.

On the profitability front, Milan without CL can NOT maintain this squad, let alone bring in somebody new. So if somebody does not buy into the club its just a downward spiral with Silvio plugging the holes here and there (when permitted by FFP).

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Apr 28 2016, 03:50 PM

Sooner, rather then later.

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 28 2016, 06:49 PM

I don't buy it that for investors the Serie A is not profitable. Certainly Ligue 1 isn't any more profitable yet the sheikhs made PSG a powerhouse using their own ways through sponsorship deals and whatnot.

The problem is that Silvio doesn't want to sell a majority share. He still wants to own the club and be the president, using foreign investors only as a means of injecting cash. For some investors this might not be an ideal solution.

In the end, we're still slaves to Silvio's egotistic demands. Any wise businessman would have sold this club at the first chance and be done with it.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Apr 28 2016, 07:10 PM

Naah man, Serie A isn't attractive enough, or else various Fiorentina's and Lazio's would have become powerhouses.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 29 2016, 04:10 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 28 2016, 07:10 PM) *
Naah man, Serie A isn't attractive enough, or else various Fiorentina's and Lazio's would have become powerhouses.

Still, the PSG argument still holds as Ligue 1 is a far less attractive league and PSG was still bought and turned into a major European player.

I can understand that argument when looking at a Man City for example because EPL clubs are lucrative.

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 29 2016, 06:24 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Apr 29 2016, 04:10 PM) *
Still, the PSG argument still holds as Ligue 1 is a far less attractive league and PSG was still bought and turned into a major European player.

I can understand that argument when looking at a Man City for example because EPL clubs are lucrative.


Exactly.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Apr 29 2016, 11:29 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Apr 29 2016, 06:10 PM) *
Still, the PSG argument still holds as Ligue 1 is a far less attractive league and PSG was still bought and turned into a major European player.

I can understand that argument when looking at a Man City for example because EPL clubs are lucrative.

How does it hold?

With Ligue 1 you have: 1) Paris - which is both an attractive venue, especially for sheik's who deal with the Parisians there for centuries, whereas Italy never is such a pleasant place to be, 2) with PSG you have a sure thing in your pocket, because the league has no competitiveness at all.

With Serie A you get the "worst of all worlds", because you have many rivalries, stubborn owners, you still have the FIAT-Juventus factor, you have big taxes and no financial nexus like with the Primera, you have old infrastructure and 50% hostile environments. All in all, nothing near what offers Paris.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Apr 30 2016, 08:56 AM

Two factors I'd put in favour of Paris were:

No rival teams. It's a one club city practically.

The stadium

Both of these Milan can't provide. Also I think they snapped up PSG pretty cheap I think. And the relative uncompetitive nature of the league means PSG is guaranteed Champions League almost every year.

Not the same with clubs in other leagues that have two or three strong teams.

Posted by: d'Arc.LP May 1 2016, 04:12 PM

CorSera: Silvio Berlusconi has decided to sell Milan to the Chinese consortium and wants the deal to be closed by the 30th May.


Posted by: X-Offender May 1 2016, 04:14 PM

QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ May 1 2016, 04:12 PM) *
CorSera: Silvio Berlusconi has decided to sell Milan to the Chinese consortium and wants the deal to be closed by the 30th May.


That decision came just after today's game? laugh.gif

Posted by: d'Arc.LP May 1 2016, 04:23 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 1 2016, 06:14 PM) *
That decision came just after today's game? laugh.gif


It is todays news but I read it before the game. I was browsing the thread just now and thought to share it. Cheers

Posted by: X-Offender May 1 2016, 04:30 PM

QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ May 1 2016, 04:23 PM) *
It is todays news but I read it before the game. I was browsing the thread just now and thought to share it. Cheers


I was just kidding. wink.gif

Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 1 2016, 05:16 PM

Great. Would be a good move, really.

Posted by: han2503 May 1 2016, 06:38 PM

Let's see, we've been duped before, first with Bee and now all these conflicting reports about the Chinese. Hope that if Silvio does sell up this will FINALLY be the end of Galliani being the decision maker, and that the club will go into good hands and we don't go from the frying pan and into the fire which is what I think Bee would have been but Silvio was choosing him because he accepted to take just the minority stake while allowing B & G to still run this circus act

Posted by: d'Arc.LP May 1 2016, 07:04 PM

I dont know which one I want more, Berlusconi selling or Galliani leaving. I really think that the new owner should make fundamenal changes in the club personel. And whoever comes, I hope he has a very good coach with him to bring in San Siro, we cant keep appointing people like Inzaghi, Brochi and so one as coaches.

Posted by: han2503 May 1 2016, 08:28 PM

QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ May 1 2016, 07:04 PM) *
I dont know which one I want more, Berlusconi selling or Galliani leaving. I really think that the new owner should make fundamenal changes in the club personel. And whoever comes, I hope he has a very good coach with him to bring in San Siro, we cant keep appointing people like Inzaghi, Brochi and so one as coaches.

I wouldn't imagine that any major share holders would stand for Galliani keeping his place, they'd want to bring in their own people. So the most important thing that can happen to Milan atm is Silvio selling, because as long as he's there Galliani will also be there. His own daughter tried with all her might to push Galliani out and was unsuccessful, if she couldn't do it then the only way for it to happen is if Silvio is no longer a part of the picture either.

As for coaches, Pellgerini is being mentioned a lot, don't know how to feel about it, I think he's a good coach, but no one that really gets me excited or anything

Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 1 2016, 09:18 PM

Who get's you excited Han?

Posted by: d'Arc.LP May 2 2016, 07:28 PM

CorSport: Today in Rome they worked on the last details and the sign of the exclusive negotiations will come in the next 24-48 hours. The buyers are Evergrande group and Jack Ma (as a financial partner).

CorSport also reports that the Chinese will invest €300m in the first season and that everything will be closed in the late June.

Sky: If Berlusconi decide to sign the exclusive negotiations with Chinese, then all the decision will be frozen, for example Montolivo's renewal and Brocchis future. The things will be like this for a month.

According to TMW, Berlusconi has decided to sell majority of Milan, it will be 51% and he want to stay as honorary President. TMW says the offer from Chinese is 700m + debts. Berlusconi does not want to invest in Milan, after this unsuccessful year.The first priority of the new investors would be to build a new stadium.

Posted by: han2503 May 2 2016, 07:46 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 1 2016, 09:18 PM) *
Who get's you excited Han?

So Pellegrini is a name that gets YOU excited?

Like I said, he's a good coach but he's more of a practical option rather than an adventurous one. Obviously I'd be happy with him as he's a major upgrade over the last 5 coaches we've had

Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 2 2016, 07:53 PM

Well, he has CL experience, he's a solid tactician and a good man-manager. I think he'd do good.

But you dodged the question. Who get's you excited and is free/eager to move to Milan?

Posted by: han2503 May 2 2016, 08:02 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 2 2016, 07:53 PM) *
Well, he has CL experience, he's a solid tactician and a good man-manager. I think he'd do good.

But you dodged the question. Who get's you excited and is free/eager to move to Milan?

I honestly don't know, there are obviously going to be a lot of coaches shifting clubs but they all seem to have set destinations in mind.

Like I said, I think Pellegrini is good, and he's practical, because I think he'll bring that shift in the team but he's not really a Carlo, Mourinho, Guardiola level manager either imo

1 guy I've always wanted to see at Milan is Hiddink though, don't know what he'll be doing after his time at Chelsea is up

Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 2 2016, 08:08 PM

Man, I really don't see what you see in Hiddink. For me he's always been a perfect small team manager who achieves. And also, his time clearly passed.

Posted by: han2503 May 2 2016, 10:07 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 2 2016, 08:08 PM) *
Man, I really don't see what you see in Hiddink. For me he's always been a perfect small team manager who achieves. And also, his time clearly passed.

Well I've personally always rated him

And if things fall through with the Chinese he'd be the perfect coach for us since we've basically turned into a mid-table team nowadays.

If the top players aren't coming then we need someone who can get the best from what we have and Hiddink imo is one of the best at doing just that

Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 2 2016, 10:14 PM

I really don't know Han. It's one of your fixations. Hiddink is 70 years old, never coached in Serie A, never been linked with Milan, hasn't been particularly good as a coach for years now. Really don't see what would be so good about him.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 3 2016, 08:06 AM

Which coach, depends on what strategy the (new?) management follows?

Do we like Dortmund, hire a young exciting coach like Klopp and then support him patiently so he builds a project? Or do we do like other moneyed clubs and quickly build a team to challenge.

All of that will determine what direction to take.

For me, I'm all in favour of Pellegrini. He will bring in a stability and a maturity that we desperately need after all these years of failed experiments. He has a good eye for players. Is a decent tactician and has managed clubs that are not stacked with superstars and still got performances from them. Language is the only barrier here though.

Posted by: d'Arc.LP May 3 2016, 02:44 PM

Tuttosport: The Chinese want to give Maldini an important role at Milan, like Nedved at Juventus.

Posted by: d'Arc.LP May 11 2016, 03:39 PM

Official : Fininvest confirms that have reached an agreement with a group of Chinese investors to continue the negotiations of selling a PART of Milan.


https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13087421_1045828028786612_2668947473951777934_n.jpg?oh=6ae31ca772adeffb342711b070bfccad&oe=579F35C3

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 12 2016, 02:39 PM

The Chinese group is Jack Ma's group, aka Ali Baba Group. Both Silvio and Jack have been negotiating for over a year now.

It's reported Silvio wants to sell all of Milan, but the Chinese want him to retain part ownership otherwise the deal will not be made. This could mean one of two things (maybe both); Silvio's management to remain with final approvals coming from China and/or that the Chinese require Silvio's political/social/cultural/etc perks.

All transfer negotiations have been put on hold till the deal is finalized. Think we finally are about to be introduced to our new majority owner.

Enter BIG money Milan.

Posted by: han2503 May 12 2016, 04:04 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ May 12 2016, 02:39 PM) *
The Chinese group is Jack Ma's group, aka Ali Baba Group. Both Silvio and Jack have been negotiating for over a year now.

It's reported Silvio wants to sell all of Milan, but the Chinese want him to retain part ownership otherwise the deal will not be made. This could mean one of two things (maybe both); Silvio's management to remain with final approvals coming from China and/or that the Chinese require Silvio's political/social/cultural/etc perks.

All transfer negotiations have been put on hold till the deal is finalized. Think we finally are about to be introduced to our new majority owner.

Enter BIG money Milan.

What's Ma's estimated net worth?

I don't understand how the media is saying Silvio has been negotiating for an entire year considering the Bee fiasco last summer.

Posted by: X-Offender May 12 2016, 05:11 PM

It's all speculation at this point.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 12 2016, 08:19 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ May 12 2016, 07:04 PM) *
What's Ma's estimated net worth?

I don't understand how the media is saying Silvio has been negotiating for an entire year considering the Bee fiasco last summer.


I don't know his networth, but bee was representing them. The deal is coming to a close, that's why all these names are coming out now.

Soon there will be new owners.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 13 2016, 07:18 AM

I've heard it isn't the Ali Baba group, rather the Evergrande group. Jack Ma happens to be a partner in Evergrande.

This is a trend now of Chinese consortiums having investments in football clubs in China, now partnering with European clubs. Provides them an easy access to talent I guess. Now past-it footballers in Europe instead of heading to USA or the Middle East might head to China.

I understand it's an exclusivity agreement signed so far and that the due diligence has just started.

Rumours are the majority stake will be sold by Silvio for 550 million, with the agreement that the new owner will agree to pay off the 250 million debt as well.

Posted by: han2503 May 14 2016, 02:54 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ May 12 2016, 08:19 PM) *
I don't know his networth, but bee was representing them. The deal is coming to a close, that's why all these names are coming out now.

Soon there will be new owners.

So what you're saying is that Bee was an intermediary and this is still the same deal?

Because I think Bee was also given exclusivity a few months ago and it fell through IIRC

Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 15 2016, 07:36 AM

I believe Bee was more of a broker than anything else. He had little money of his own. However the new intermediaries are very reputed people in the sports business.

Jack Ma heads Ali Baba group and has a personal net worth of 23 billion dollars. But Milan's interested buyers are rumoured to be Evergrande group- China's second largest property developers and owners of Guangzhou Evergrande FC (the team Marcello Lippi coached back in China and 5 time consecutive league winner of Chinese super league). Jack Ma holds a minority stake in the Evergrande company. The majority owner is Xu Jiayin with a personal networth of 4.9 billion dollars.
Source: Wikipedia articles browsed at work. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 15 2016, 04:44 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ May 14 2016, 05:54 PM) *
So what you're saying is that Bee was an intermediary and this is still the same deal?

Because I think Bee was also given exclusivity a few months ago and it fell through IIRC


Yup. As Jack pointed out below, he was nothing more than a broker.

The deal has changed from what it was back then. Back then the deal was for Berlusconi to retain majority. This one is where the Chinese become the majority and clear all debts.

They might be two different deals. But knowing Berlusconi's personality (as we all are aware after years of dealing with him) coupled with the character of his Chinese counterpart(s); I'm not at all surprised it lasted a season for their egos to be filled and get this done.

My only hope is that Milan is taken care of by the right people. Money alone

Posted by: han2503 May 15 2016, 05:56 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ May 15 2016, 04:44 PM) *
Yup. As Jack pointed out below, he was nothing more than a broker.

The deal has changed from what it was back then. Back then the deal was for Berlusconi to retain majority. This one is where the Chinese become the majority and clear all debts.

They might be two different deals. But knowing Berlusconi's personality (as we all are aware after years of dealing with him) coupled with the character of his Chinese counterpart(s); I'm not at all surprised it lasted a season for their egos to be filled and get this done.

My only hope is that Milan is taken care of by the right people. Money alone

Let's hope so, I thought the Bee thing just didn't make any sense at all considering the quoted amount and the fact that it was for a minority share.

I think there's something like 3 weeks still left for the due diligence period to be over so let's all cross our fingers that this thing goes through because we simply cannot afford another season with Galliani running things on the transfer side. We need someone who knows what they're doing

Posted by: Ry4n May 23 2016, 02:03 AM

"The Chinese want to kick me out," he told reporters at the public get-together...


http://www.football-italia.net/84789/berlusconi-i-want-stay-president

Posted by: rip May 23 2016, 04:09 AM

i really hope they do

Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 23 2016, 07:54 AM

I think keeping Berlusconi (without Galliani) wouldn't do much harm.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 23 2016, 01:27 PM

I actually think the opposite. Surprisingly. I think Galliani is a good negotiator for a rich club.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 23 2016, 07:10 PM

After last season? No thanks. Berlusconi saved Milan from a downward spiral and achieved great things. He's the clubs most successful president.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 23 2016, 07:13 PM

But anyway, it seems like everything will remain exactly as it is now. Brocchi coach, Berlu president, Galliani CEO. Great...

Posted by: X-Offender May 23 2016, 07:39 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ May 23 2016, 01:27 PM) *
I actually think the opposite. Surprisingly. I think Galliani is a good negotiator for a rich club.


That's what I thought as well, but then last summer happened as he squandered 100 million.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 24 2016, 07:17 AM

Except for Bertolacci all the other transfers were good I thought.

Alex has been good.
Romagnoli has been good.
Antonelli has been good.
Bacca has been good if not spectacular.
Kucka has been a steal.
Bringing back Niang helped a lot. And loaning him out was a wise decision.
Balotelli - was weird. He was injured and then in and out of the team. He never got a consistent run. But it cost us very little.
Luiz Adriano was a coach's decision but he was all of 8 million.

Now Bertolacci - that was the biggest flop. But c'mon. Who saw that coming? I was really excited to see him join. Thought him with Montolivo would finally sort out our midfield. But who knew he was such a mentally weak player.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 24 2016, 07:26 AM

It's not just about the individuals. It's (once again) completely misdirecting our priorities.

We splashed almost 50% of our budget on strikers: in the end, only Bacca justified the signing, while we virtually had Adriano and Balotelli doing little to nothing. We entered this season with one or even two strikers too many (Niang, Menez, Adriano, Bacca, Balo), once again disregarded the importance of a proper midfield, overpaying Bertolacci.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 24 2016, 07:36 AM

Once again, I disagree. We knew that Menez would be unavailable till winter at least. We were supposed to play with 2 strikers - even remember Mihajlovic claiming that 4-3-1-2 is the best formation for this team (he got that wrong!) and so for a 2 striker formation we had 4 fit strikers on our roster. Which is not excessive at all.

Balotelli's injury, Niang's freak accident - how do you expect a director to figure this out when making a transfer?

Bertolacci - you say we overpaid for him? But this is based on his performance right? I didn't see that performance coming. I honestly believed he was exactly what our midfield needed. A creative player with good passing ability. He failed. C'est la vie.

Do you think we overpaid for Romagnoli as well? Every team has flops. Man Utd has a Fellaini , Depay and a Falcao. Atletico has a Jackson Martinez. Inter had a Kondgobia , a Jovetic and so on.

We had one bad transfer.

As for our transfer priorities, if we keep changing coach every time Silvio farts, what do you expect?

Bertolacci I'm guessing will be given one more season. Which seems fair. He can't complain he wasn't given a fair run. I just hope the new coach will be sensible enough to make a quick decision on him.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 24 2016, 07:48 AM

I get your angle, but I'm not quite with you on this.

All in all it's a mess. Thing is, people here at MF (Han, X-O) knew we overpaid him the moment we signed him. Hell, I even felt it deep down, because let's face it, the man didn't exactly warranted his signing fee with last season. He was good in a small team, but nowhere near as good as we made him appear.

You say miscalculations happen. But we're not United or Atletico. The thing is, those clubs splash much more money then we do, they make 5 superb and 1 lousy choice (United maybe not so much lately) and they have still more resources.

We're a limited club, perhaps spending 20M on someone who's actually worth the money or less for a bigger talent would have been logical, no?

Adriano was a completely needless signing. I'm not sure if Miha wanted him or not. At that point, we could have kept SES or brought back Ganz, Petagna or whoever we have on our radar.

My bottom line is: if a team with limited resources decides to break the bank and spent more then usual, it should be done wisely and carefully. If we had problems for the past 2 years, we should have located them with more precision and made our team more compact, more balanced. How do you explain us having 4 center-backs competing for 2 spots? Or starting the season with Noce, NdJ, Kucka and Poli all in for one or maybe two spots? While at the same time other positions show great deficiencies.

And don't get me started with the completely useless yet typical tactic of signing players like Balotelli, Boateng, etc. Getting rid of the "last years mistakes" only to fill up the roster with new ones...

Posted by: X-Offender May 24 2016, 06:01 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ May 24 2016, 07:17 AM) *
Except for Bertolacci all the other transfers were good I thought.

Alex has been good.
Romagnoli has been good.
Antonelli has been good.
Bacca has been good if not spectacular.
Kucka has been a steal.
Bringing back Niang helped a lot. And loaning him out was a wise decision.
Balotelli - was weird. He was injured and then in and out of the team. He never got a consistent run. But it cost us very little.
Luiz Adriano was a coach's decision but he was all of 8 million.

Now Bertolacci - that was the biggest flop. But c'mon. Who saw that coming? I was really excited to see him join. Thought him with Montolivo would finally sort out our midfield. But who knew he was such a mentally weak player.


Man, if someone who doesn't follow the Serie A read your post they'd think we've finished 2nd or 3rd with your interpretations.

The only good ones have been Bacca and Romagnoli, and only slightly. Alex good? Antonelli good? Kucka a steal? Niang helped a lot? Let's not joke around. Everyone's been crap, everyone bar Donnarumma, Romangoli, Bonaventura and Bacca. It's the 3rd year in a row that we're finishing 7th or lower, nobody can save themselves. It's been a disgraceful season, and the Coppa final was just a fluke considering we encountered Carpi and frigging Alessandria in the QFs and semis.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 24 2016, 06:18 PM

Good God, let's tune it down a bit. X-O, you criticism can easily be applied to your post as well. Someone who doesn't follow Serie A would, reading your post, think Milan got relegated or finished 15th.

Alex and Antonelli did good for most of the season. So did Kucka. Yet, it simply wasn't enough.

Posted by: X-Offender May 24 2016, 07:19 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 24 2016, 06:18 PM) *
Good God, let's tune it down a bit. X-O, you criticism can easily be applied to your post as well. Someone who doesn't follow Serie A would, reading your post, think Milan got relegated or finished 15th.

Alex and Antonelli did good for most of the season. So did Kucka. Yet, it simply wasn't enough.


We didn't finish 15th, but we finished 7th. Last year we finished 10h. Two years ago we finished 7th again. What are you saying, that this isn't a disgrace? That we should just brush it off as just "not good enough". I'm sorry, but I was raised with a different mentality, the Milan mentality. Every season it was title and Champions League. Every season. Now we can't even qualify for the UEFA Cup. It's simply tragic. There are no other adjectives.

Posted by: han2503 May 24 2016, 08:51 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ May 23 2016, 01:27 PM) *
I actually think the opposite. Surprisingly. I think Galliani is a good negotiator for a rich club.

That's what I used to think. I thought Galliani was the poor front man who didn't have the resources so he fudged along and begged around for old past it star players.

And let's face it, he's been making terrible decisions for a while now, forget about last summer. How can you explain all the lavish contracts he gave to players who were too old and past it? Players who they had absolutely no clue about (Traore anyone??), players who other clubs still wouldn't have taken on even if we paid them to do it. Player who were happy to sit on their @sses with us because of the previously mentioned huge salaries given to them because Galliani scavenged them for free.

Now let's get back to last summer, as Filippo said, once again, the focus was on the attack while our terrible midfield was left as is with only the addition of a player who had a decent season at Genoa (forget about his price tag for now which is another issue altogether) How many summers can we go through this now, and I blame the fetish for attackers on Silvio, don't get me wrong there, but every summer we have to go through this and we're still paying for those decisions to this day. Let's not forget that Matri will be coming back from his loan. Let's all remember and cry over that one now. How we finance Juve's move for Tevez by taking that lump off their hands and paying them good money for him as well while once again we were told there was no money to fix the midfield.

Let's also not forget all the favours we've done for Genoa and all the other close friends of Galliani's

It's just ridiculous at this point. The amount of mistakes done by this man to bring us to this dire position we're now in is simply a tragic notion to even comprehend.

This man cannot be allowed to run things any longer simply as that really. And if this sale goes through, the first thing on the agenda should be to get the man out of the way ASAP!

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ May 24 2016, 07:17 AM) *
Except for Bertolacci all the other transfers were good I thought.

Alex has been good.
Romagnoli has been good.
Antonelli has been good.
Bacca has been good if not spectacular.
Kucka has been a steal.
Bringing back Niang helped a lot. And loaning him out was a wise decision.
Balotelli - was weird. He was injured and then in and out of the team. He never got a consistent run. But it cost us very little.
Luiz Adriano was a coach's decision but he was all of 8 million.

Now Bertolacci - that was the biggest flop. But c'mon. Who saw that coming? I was really excited to see him join. Thought him with Montolivo would finally sort out our midfield. But who knew he was such a mentally weak player.

Alex, came the season before, sure he was good this season after spending the previous one injured for the majority of it.
Romagnoli was great and he's one of my few beacons of light in this team. And we can also fully thank Miha for this one as he's the one who pushed hard for him. Let's not give Galliani credit for unearthing a talent here when he had nothing to do with selecting him.
Again, Antonelli wasn't brought in last summer, but again, just like Alex he was simply an opportunistic move from Galliani. Let's not attribute it as some masterstroke that should be repeated in FM for years to come, it could just as easily have gone down the same roads as Mesbah, Taiwo, etc
Bacca... The man is good, but he's 30 years old and imo we overpaid. Not to mention we brought in a striker that's reliant on service to be really effective and left him with basically no midfield behind him. The goal tally is a testament to how good Bacca is, but if a decent offer came for him this summer and we manage to make a profit (highly unlikely) I'd take it and look for someone with different characteristics in attack
Kucka... Don't get me started. Sure he can be mildly impressive when he's bulldozing his way around, but his end product shows how limited he is in general as a midfielder. Had we had Witsel instead of this muppit we would have seen a more dominant midfield throughout the season which could have really helped us out
Niang... Don't want to get into that one
Balo... Same thing, Galliani just never learns his lesson. And don't get me wrong here I like Balo very much, but at this point Milan clearly is not the right environment for him to flourish or to get over his issues

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 24 2016, 07:26 AM) *
It's not just about the individuals. It's (once again) completely misdirecting our priorities.

We splashed almost 50% of our budget on strikers: in the end, only Bacca justified the signing, while we virtually had Adriano and Balotelli doing little to nothing. We entered this season with one or even two strikers too many (Niang, Menez, Adriano, Bacca, Balo), once again disregarded the importance of a proper midfield, overpaying Bertolacci.

Agreed

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ May 24 2016, 07:36 AM) *
Once again, I disagree. We knew that Menez would be unavailable till winter at least. We were supposed to play with 2 strikers - even remember Mihajlovic claiming that 4-3-1-2 is the best formation for this team (he got that wrong!) and so for a 2 striker formation we had 4 fit strikers on our roster. Which is not excessive at all.

Balotelli's injury, Niang's freak accident - how do you expect a director to figure this out when making a transfer?

Bertolacci - you say we overpaid for him? But this is based on his performance right? I didn't see that performance coming. I honestly believed he was exactly what our midfield needed. A creative player with good passing ability. He failed. C'est la vie.

Do you think we overpaid for Romagnoli as well? Every team has flops. Man Utd has a Fellaini , Depay and a Falcao. Atletico has a Jackson Martinez. Inter had a Kondgobia , a Jovetic and so on.

We had one bad transfer.

As for our transfer priorities, if we keep changing coach every time Silvio farts, what do you expect?

Bertolacci I'm guessing will be given one more season. Which seems fair. He can't complain he wasn't given a fair run. I just hope the new coach will be sensible enough to make a quick decision on him.

I could have told you how sh!t the Berto transfer was from day 1 man, the man is clearly weak, both in mind and body. He was never going to be good enough to justify that kind of price tag and tbh, now that the season is over I'm even surprised that he turned out worse than I expected.

And it's not simply about seeing which player didn't justify his price tag so we quantify the transfer window as that one bad transfer. You have to look at the entire picture and simply ask, were the transfers we made good enough to improve the team from last season? And you compare that to the kind of money we spent... A jump of 3 places from 10th to 7th after spending nearly a 100m says it all for me. The true problems of the squad imo were not addressed and that is why it was a terrible transfer season. At least before we could at least fall back on the old excuse that there was no money. But after a 100m? And still this pitiful side is presented to us to endure another terrible season? No, just unacceptable from Galliani

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 24 2016, 07:48 AM) *
I get your angle, but I'm not quite with you on this.

All in all it's a mess. Thing is, people here at MF (Han, X-O) knew we overpaid him the moment we signed him. Hell, I even felt it deep down, because let's face it, the man didn't exactly warranted his signing fee with last season. He was good in a small team, but nowhere near as good as we made him appear.

You say miscalculations happen. But we're not United or Atletico. The thing is, those clubs splash much more money then we do, they make 5 superb and 1 lousy choice (United maybe not so much lately) and they have still more resources.

We're a limited club, perhaps spending 20M on someone who's actually worth the money or less for a bigger talent would have been logical, no?

Adriano was a completely needless signing. I'm not sure if Miha wanted him or not. At that point, we could have kept SES or brought back Ganz, Petagna or whoever we have on our radar.

My bottom line is: if a team with limited resources decides to break the bank and spent more then usual, it should be done wisely and carefully. If we had problems for the past 2 years, we should have located them with more precision and made our team more compact, more balanced. How do you explain us having 4 center-backs competing for 2 spots? Or starting the season with Noce, NdJ, Kucka and Poli all in for one or maybe two spots? While at the same time other positions show great deficiencies.

And don't get me started with the completely useless yet typical tactic of signing players like Balotelli, Boateng, etc. Getting rid of the "last years mistakes" only to fill up the roster with new ones...

Yep

QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 24 2016, 07:19 PM) *
We didn't finish 15th, but we finished 7th. Last year we finished 10h. Two years ago we finished 7th again. What are you saying, that this isn't a disgrace? That we should just brush it off as just "not good enough". I'm sorry, but I was raised with a different mentality, the Milan mentality. Every season it was title and Champions League. Every season. Now we can't even qualify for the UEFA Cup. It's simply tragic. There are no other adjectives.

Agreed there

Posted by: Forza Milan! Jun 9 2016, 07:55 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ May 24 2016, 09:51 PM) *
That's what I used to think. I thought Galliani was the poor front man who didn't have the resources so he fudged along and begged around for old past it star players.

And let's face it, he's been making terrible decisions for a while now, forget about last summer. How can you explain all the lavish contracts he gave to players who were too old and past it? Players who they had absolutely no clue about (Traore anyone??), players who other clubs still wouldn't have taken on even if we paid them to do it. Player who were happy to sit on their @sses with us because of the previously mentioned huge salaries given to them because Galliani scavenged them for free.

Now let's get back to last summer, as Filippo said, once again, the focus was on the attack while our terrible midfield was left as is with only the addition of a player who had a decent season at Genoa (forget about his price tag for now which is another issue altogether) How many summers can we go through this now, and I blame the fetish for attackers on Silvio, don't get me wrong there, but every summer we have to go through this and we're still paying for those decisions to this day. Let's not forget that Matri will be coming back from his loan. Let's all remember and cry over that one now. How we finance Juve's move for Tevez by taking that lump off their hands and paying them good money for him as well while once again we were told there was no money to fix the midfield.

Let's also not forget all the favours we've done for Genoa and all the other close friends of Galliani's

It's just ridiculous at this point. The amount of mistakes done by this man to bring us to this dire position we're now in is simply a tragic notion to even comprehend.

This man cannot be allowed to run things any longer simply as that really. And if this sale goes through, the first thing on the agenda should be to get the man out of the way ASAP!


Alex, came the season before, sure he was good this season after spending the previous one injured for the majority of it.
Romagnoli was great and he's one of my few beacons of light in this team. And we can also fully thank Miha for this one as he's the one who pushed hard for him. Let's not give Galliani credit for unearthing a talent here when he had nothing to do with selecting him.
Again, Antonelli wasn't brought in last summer, but again, just like Alex he was simply an opportunistic move from Galliani. Let's not attribute it as some masterstroke that should be repeated in FM for years to come, it could just as easily have gone down the same roads as Mesbah, Taiwo, etc
Bacca... The man is good, but he's 30 years old and imo we overpaid. Not to mention we brought in a striker that's reliant on service to be really effective and left him with basically no midfield behind him. The goal tally is a testament to how good Bacca is, but if a decent offer came for him this summer and we manage to make a profit (highly unlikely) I'd take it and look for someone with different characteristics in attack
Kucka... Don't get me started. Sure he can be mildly impressive when he's bulldozing his way around, but his end product shows how limited he is in general as a midfielder. Had we had Witsel instead of this muppit we would have seen a more dominant midfield throughout the season which could have really helped us out
Niang... Don't want to get into that one
Balo... Same thing, Galliani just never learns his lesson. And don't get me wrong here I like Balo very much, but at this point Milan clearly is not the right environment for him to flourish or to get over his issues


Agreed


I could have told you how sh!t the Berto transfer was from day 1 man, the man is clearly weak, both in mind and body. He was never going to be good enough to justify that kind of price tag and tbh, now that the season is over I'm even surprised that he turned out worse than I expected.

And it's not simply about seeing which player didn't justify his price tag so we quantify the transfer window as that one bad transfer. You have to look at the entire picture and simply ask, were the transfers we made good enough to improve the team from last season? And you compare that to the kind of money we spent... A jump of 3 places from 10th to 7th after spending nearly a 100m says it all for me. The true problems of the squad imo were not addressed and that is why it was a terrible transfer season. At least before we could at least fall back on the old excuse that there was no money. But after a 100m? And still this pitiful side is presented to us to endure another terrible season? No, just unacceptable from Galliani


Yep


Agreed there

Have to agree with pretty much everything you said, Han.

Galliani used to be reasonably good, but he is way past his better days. Last decade has been going from bad to worse, starting with the ridiculous deals made with players after our CL win, and ending with (most of) 100M flushed down the toilet (with many sad chapters in between). And (as has already been said) it is not so much the individual decisions, but the "big picture": consistently investing in the wrong places, expense levels that are well past unreasonable (reference recent stockholder meeting), laughable coach selections, endless "bickering" between Galliani + Barbara + Silvio, no new stadium, and so on. All of this spells M-I-S-M-A-N-A-G-E-M-E-N-T.

At this point I am hoping that the sale goes through (sadly not a done deal IMHO), Berlu gets relegated to a "PR role" (or removed entirely), and Galliani is gone for good. Unless that happens, I fear the downward spiral will continue, and we may start looking at 7th place as "success". FWIW, the alternative proposed by Berlu (an "Italian Milan") could have potential, but with our current inept management it is not going to end well IMHO. With Inter now well-funded again, we risk becoming "the other team" in Milano (kind of like Torino has been for some time).

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jun 10 2016, 06:37 AM

Berlusca needs a heart surgery. Hope he stays healthy, but the timing sort of sucks. Worried how the deal will progress now.

Posted by: Forza Milan! Jun 10 2016, 03:52 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jun 10 2016, 07:37 AM) *
Berlusca needs a heart surgery. Hope he stays healthy, but the timing sort of sucks. Worried how the deal will progress now.

I wish him well, I really do. Despite all of my complaints about the current situation, as a Milan fan I owe him a great deal of appreciation and respect for many years of consistent success (not to mention rescuing the team from near-disaster).

That said, not sure what impact it will have. May act as the catalyst to get the deal done, or as a cause for delay. Will see ...

Posted by: han2503 Jun 10 2016, 06:53 PM

Well at the end of the day, all he has to do is give his go-ahead, and he can do that just fine even from a bed. Fininvest is the holding company of Milan and negotiations are still on-going. Last I read they've said that things are still progressing just fine but the deadline could be extended to the end of the month because of Berlu's issues

Posted by: han2503 Jun 10 2016, 06:57 PM

QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Jun 9 2016, 07:55 PM) *
FWIW, the alternative proposed by Berlu (an "Italian Milan") could have potential, but with our current inept management it is not going to end well IMHO.

Sorry, have to disagree with this bit. And this coming from an Azzurri fan. The talent pool in Italy is simply not good enough atm, not if we want to truly be successful. And the only real top class Italian player around atm is in France.

Sure there are the Juve guys but aside from Marchisio, they're all getting a bit long in the tooth.

The Italian Milan idea is a terrible one imo, and just shows how out of touch Silvio is

Posted by: Forza Milan! Jun 11 2016, 12:17 AM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 10 2016, 07:57 PM) *
Sorry, have to disagree with this bit. And this coming from an Azzurri fan. The talent pool in Italy is simply not good enough atm, not if we want to truly be successful. And the only real top class Italian player around atm is in France.

Sure there are the Juve guys but aside from Marchisio, they're all getting a bit long in the tooth.

The Italian Milan idea is a terrible one imo, and just shows how out of touch Silvio is

I believe that the idea is to look for "new talent" rather than established players. But it does not matter, even if Italy was full of talent you need a capable management team for something like this to work.

Posted by: han2503 Jun 11 2016, 12:39 PM

QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Jun 11 2016, 12:17 AM) *
I believe that the idea is to look for "new talent" rather than established players. But it does not matter, even if Italy was full of talent you need a capable management team for something like this to work.

Well, that's part of the problem in and of itself, I don't see all that many young players coming through who are good enough to be starters in a Serie A side.

And personally I don't think the infrastructure is really there to really start producing players in a similar way that countries like Germany, Belgium, Spain and France do. And this is not just at Milan but at the nation as a whole

Posted by: d'Arc.LP Jun 11 2016, 01:18 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 11 2016, 02:39 PM) *
Well, that's part of the problem in and of itself, I don't see all that many young players coming through who are good enough to be starters in a Serie A side.

And personally I don't think the infrastructure is really there to really start producing players in a similar way that countries like Germany, Belgium, Spain and France do. And this is not just at Milan but at the nation as a whole


Even though I hope Milan gets sold and we dont have to go with Berlusconis Ital-Milan plan, but if we dont sell then desperate times call for desperate measures so I think that the idea is to buy and develop Italian talents from 16 to 20 years old and to introduce them in to the squad but only as backups and in rotations in first two or three years. Its obvious that we would need 3-4 years to clean our team from non Italian players.

Even though in my opinion Ital-Milan doesnt mean that we dont have any foreign player, but that the core of the squad will be Italian players. Also, we should get rid even some Italian players that dont deserve our jersey like Matri and so on.

So just because there are not so many good Italian players right now, that doesnt mean that there wont be, we just have to concentrate more in youth program and develop our players. For ex. when I remember that we had Aboumeyang and Darmiani but we wasted them, it makes me think that we have not been the best team to develop youngers. Young players need time, even though they can upset us in the beginning, thats why I think that Ely, Calabria, De Sciglio need more chances and support and I felt the same way about El Shaarawy but I think now its to late for him.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 23 2016, 04:50 PM

Think the new owners will take the reigns and assume a transition period for key people like galliani. There will be a change alright, not sure if that will translate to a stellar team or stellar individuals. I'm with the former, and that will depend on the new owner's strategy, the new management qualifications to meet the strategy and the general attitude of the locker room.

I would like for Milan to play with an identity worthy of the clubs history.

Posted by: han2503 Jul 23 2016, 10:19 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jul 23 2016, 04:50 PM) *
Think the new owners will take the reigns and assume a transition period for key people like galliani. There will be a change alright, not sure if that will translate to a stellar team or stellar individuals. I'm with the former, and that will depend on the new owner's strategy, the new management qualifications to meet the strategy and the general attitude of the locker room.

I would like for Milan to play with an identity worthy of the clubs history.

You think this deal will go through any time soon?

At this rate the entire summer will be over with the deal continuing to be delayed and our transfer business completely stalled due to not having a budget available

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 24 2016, 12:06 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 24 2016, 01:19 AM) *
You think this deal will go through any time soon?

At this rate the entire summer will be over with the deal continuing to be delayed and our transfer business completely stalled due to not having a budget available


Logically speaking han, wouldn't someone coming in with EUR 750M to buy the club in whole have a plan for the coming season?

Seriously.

Posted by: han2503 Jul 24 2016, 02:45 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jul 24 2016, 12:06 PM) *
Logically speaking han, wouldn't someone coming in with EUR 750M to buy the club in whole have a plan for the coming season?

Seriously.

Let's all just pray that is the case because atm it's not looking very good for us. We can't close deals for the players we want and can't seem to offload the players we don't need either

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jul 25 2016, 12:58 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jul 24 2016, 06:36 PM) *
Logically speaking han, wouldn't someone coming in with EUR 750M to buy the club in whole have a plan for the coming season?

Seriously.


Mo! Are you up for a visit to the San Siro this season? kurt, dst and I might be going...hopefully to catch the Derby della Madonina...if we're lucky to get tickets.


Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 26 2016, 09:23 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jul 25 2016, 03:58 PM) *
Mo! Are you up for a visit to the San Siro this season? kurt, dst and I might be going...hopefully to catch the Derby della Madonina...if we're lucky to get tickets.


Thats a great idea, yeah for sure let me know which dates and ill meet you guys there:)

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jul 27 2016, 08:00 AM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jul 27 2016, 03:53 AM) *
Thats a great idea, yeah for sure let me know which dates and ill meet you guys there:)


We're thinking the Derby Della Madonina, so sometime in November. Have no clue how to go about getting tickets and all though. We'll see. If you're coming we have an experienced 'tour guide'.

Posted by: Forza Milan! Aug 4 2016, 10:49 AM

Sounds like the "exclusivity clause" has expired, and new potential buyers may have emerged.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 4 2016, 11:00 AM

Don't know if it's a good thing or a bad one at this point.

Posted by: Forza Milan! Aug 4 2016, 11:35 AM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 4 2016, 12:00 PM) *
Don't know if it's a good thing or a bad one at this point.

I don't either. Perhaps the pressure from new potential buyers may expedite matters. OTOH, if this means that we may go with a new buyer, then we have taken several steps backwards.

As much as I am trying to be patient, I would like this over, new owner and proper management. I have kind of given up on this coming season (too late in the market to make an impact), but I would like to see light at the end of the tunnel.

Posted by: han2503 Aug 4 2016, 03:36 PM

New investors would be a million steps back at this point when we're supposedly in the final stages with this consortium.

All while having all transfer activity frozen with no budget to speak of, any further delays will continue to hurt the club as we're reportedly also going to lose about 30 to 40m in sponsorship deals as there are more than a few which are about to expire, namely D&G and we can't sign any extensions because the ownership of the club is in question

We're in a very precarious moment for this club and I honestly do think that if this deal falls through we'll be in free fall. With Fininvest no longer wanting to cover the losses, I honestly don't know what would be next for this club

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 5 2016, 12:23 PM

It seems we've reach an agreement and the signing of a 740 million worth deal will go through in matter of hours.

[MN]

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Aug 5 2016, 01:03 PM

AC Milan is made in China now?

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 5 2016, 01:48 PM

It's official. 99,3% of shares sold for 740 million euros (including debt).

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Aug 5 2016, 02:11 PM

欢迎新业主
Huānyíng xīn yèzhǔ
Welcome new owners


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Posted by: X-Offender Aug 5 2016, 02:24 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 5 2016, 01:48 PM) *
It's official. 99,3% of shares sold for 740 million euros (including debt).


*99,93%

Posted by: Forza Milan! Aug 5 2016, 04:04 PM

Finally!

If what http://www.calciomercato.com/news/milan-ufficiale-fininvest-firma-preliminare-di-vendita-con-corda-193956 says is true, we (as Milan fans) owe Berlu big time. In addition to almost 30 years of (mostly) glory (ignoring the last few years, of course smile.gif), apparently Berlu insisted on contractual guarantees that the new owners will invest adequately in the club.

This apparently frees up 15M now, 85M more within 35 days, and 100M when the deal closes. Not enough to re-build the team, but if used wisely enough to get us to stay reasonably competitive. And with Gancikoff involved, I have a feeling that Galliani will be under tighter control.

Feeling a lot happier. (Though will remain concerned until we close.)

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Aug 5 2016, 07:29 PM

Actually terms of signing the sale binds the Chinese to invest eur350m over three years (inclusive of the 100m spread out -> 15 now and 85 within 30 days of signing the contract).

The contract is 99.9% of Milan against payment of eur740m to acquire the club -> 520 to Fininvest and 220 to the banks.

Posted by: han2503 Aug 5 2016, 08:06 PM

FINALLY!!

We can celebrate!

Apparently it's being reported that the buyers are not the consortium lead by Sal Galatiato and Gancikoff. This bring a whole new set of question marks but I'm so glad it's finally done and we can more forward from this limbo we've been stuck in

Posted by: han2503 Aug 5 2016, 08:25 PM

Also, one of the major players in the consortium is this corporation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Development_%26_Investment_Corporation. They're state owned, so it's safe to say we have some serious financial muscle behind us now

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 6 2016, 12:49 AM

Who knows. I've read some comments from Italian business people who say that having a state-owned corporation on board makes things less smooth. I'm not gonna celebrate just now; let's wait a bit.

Di Marzio is mentioning Cuadrado as a possibility. Sosa as well. Also, Zaza if Bacca leaves. I seriously fail to see why we're still trying to push Bacca out. And why Sosa again? Remind me, what did he do recently to deserve so much attention and fight from our behalf?

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 6 2016, 01:29 AM

Btw. why not try to catch Schweinsteiger? He's on a downward curve but he'd still do great things with us here.

Posted by: han2503 Aug 6 2016, 09:05 AM

I've been wondering about Bastian as well, he'd be a great addition and would elevate our midfield.

Atm, I'm just going to wait and see, it's clear from how this sale unfolded that no media outlet, not even the big financial ones even, knew wtf was going on. They were guessing dates and when it was clear it wasn't going to happen they'd say there's been another delay and give us another date, and so on and so forth. Only for it to happen out of the blue on the 5th of August when no one was expecting it.

Atm, I don't think Galliani himself knows what he's allowed to do or not to do in the transfer market. his very position at the club is up in the air and I don't think he'll be here past the closing date.

I personally don't think there will be a cash injection until the deal is completely closed in October, so atm I think we should slow down with the expectations. But I do believe that there will be heavy investment once this thing is completely done. Fininvest even disclosed this in their official press release about the sale, something they wouldn't do unless they were certain of it.

The media is saying that Lapadula and Gomez were signed through the 15m deposit, which is a stupid observation to make as they cost more than that and we sold SES as well this summer for 13m IIRC. The media is just pulling things out at random atm by making baseless observations.

And if our budget was really 15m, I would hope that Galliani wouldn't be stupid enough to waste all of it on a Serie B striker and an unknown defender playing in S.America.

I really hope we can use the loan + obligation formula to secure a couple of good deals. Still hoping for Kovacic. Our midfield is still dire and it seems we're focusing on every area of the team aside from this one, which would be typical of B & G but I'm hoping Montella will push for a couple of decent mids as his system would be useless with the current crop we have

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 6 2016, 12:20 PM

Kovacic or Isco are mandatory IMO. One of them has to leave and we should use this new ownership as an "ambitious project" reasoning to lure them in. I also reas that we're now serious for Cuadrado.

Posted by: Forza Milan! Aug 6 2016, 12:25 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 6 2016, 10:05 AM) *
I've been wondering about Bastian as well, he'd be a great addition and would elevate our midfield.

Atm, I'm just going to wait and see, it's clear from how this sale unfolded that no media outlet, not even the big financial ones even, knew wtf was going on. They were guessing dates and when it was clear it wasn't going to happen they'd say there's been another delay and give us another date, and so on and so forth. Only for it to happen out of the blue on the 5th of August when no one was expecting it.

Atm, I don't think Galliani himself knows what he's allowed to do or not to do in the transfer market. his very position at the club is up in the air and I don't think he'll be here past the closing date.

I personally don't think there will be a cash injection until the deal is completely closed in October, so atm I think we should slow down with the expectations. But I do believe that there will be heavy investment once this thing is completely done. Fininvest even disclosed this in their official press release about the sale, something they wouldn't do unless they were certain of it.

The media is saying that Lapadula and Gomez were signed through the 15m deposit, which is a stupid observation to make as they cost more than that and we sold SES as well this summer for 13m IIRC. The media is just pulling things out at random atm by making baseless observations.

And if our budget was really 15m, I would hope that Galliani wouldn't be stupid enough to waste all of it on a Serie B striker and an unknown defender playing in S.America.

I really hope we can use the loan + obligation formula to secure a couple of good deals. Still hoping for Kovacic. Our midfield is still dire and it seems we're focusing on every area of the team aside from this one, which would be typical of B & G but I'm hoping Montella will push for a couple of decent mids as his system would be useless with the current crop we have

I agree that we are dealing with a lot of confusing and contradicting info, and much of what is being reported is probably wrong. I believe the 15M was not available prior to the signing of the prelim agreement, which means maybe it covers Gomez but not Lapadula. As I already said, we are not getting enough to build the team we all would like to see, but we may have enough to deal with some of the more glaring problems.

Posted by: Forza Milan! Aug 6 2016, 12:33 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 6 2016, 01:49 AM) *
Who knows. I've read some comments from Italian business people who say that having a state-owned corporation on board makes things less smooth. I'm not gonna celebrate just now; let's wait a bit.

Di Marzio is mentioning Cuadrado as a possibility. Sosa as well. Also, Zaza if Bacca leaves. I seriously fail to see why we're still trying to push Bacca out. And why Sosa again? Remind me, what did he do recently to deserve so much attention and fight from our behalf?

I would not celebrate until the deal has closed and we know more about the new management (to use a line from one of my favorite movies, "it could be worse, it could be raining"). However, at least something appears to be changing, and that is enough to lift my spirits.

We are pushing Bacca out because he is not part of Montella's plans and he can bring us money now (if Montella does not play him, his value will drop).

Posted by: Forza Milan! Aug 6 2016, 12:40 PM

http://www.calciomercato.com/news/fassone-dalla-juve-all-inter-ecco-l-uomo-che-fa-fuori-galliani-635120. I see Marco Fassone mentioned in other articles as well.

Posted by: Forza Milan! Aug 6 2016, 12:47 PM

http://www.calciomercato.com/news/milan-ai-cinesi-ma-quanti-misteri-799777

Posted by: han2503 Aug 6 2016, 03:57 PM

Republica, while referencing the Chinese Business Circle are saying that Xi Jinping, is behind the consortium, with other private entities as well as state owned ones also being involved (named: Moutai (State owned), Baidu, Evergrande, and Wang Jianlin (Richest man in China ahead of Jack Ma))

We'll just have to wait and see if these names are correct, but I'm 100% sure that the Chinese government is involved heavily in this

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 6 2016, 05:54 PM

Who cares, just give us money.

Posted by: han2503 Aug 6 2016, 08:23 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 6 2016, 05:54 PM) *
Who cares, just give us money.

I think it's important to know the financial strength of the new owners. If the ones mentioned in my above post are true, then we're in business.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 6 2016, 08:53 PM

Nevermind the last few years. But anyone feeling a tad sentimental about Berlusconi leaving after 30 years?

Posted by: han2503 Aug 6 2016, 10:14 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 6 2016, 08:53 PM) *
Nevermind the last few years. But anyone feeling a tad sentimental about Berlusconi leaving after 30 years?

Not really to be honest. Things have just deteriorated to the point where all I feel is relief that this thing is finally done

Posted by: Forza Milan! Aug 7 2016, 11:47 AM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 6 2016, 09:53 PM) *
Nevermind the last few years. But anyone feeling a tad sentimental about Berlusconi leaving after 30 years?

It is the end of an era, and (despite the last few years) I think we should be extremely grateful for all Berlu has done for the club. Having said this, a change of ownership as well as a change of management have become a necessity. So yes, there is a touch of sadness, but overall I am happy (and a little concerned at the same time, "change" does not necessarily mean "improvement").

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 7 2016, 01:21 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 6 2016, 10:14 PM) *
Not really to be honest. Things have just deteriorated to the point where all I feel is relief that this thing is finally done


Same.

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 7 2016, 01:31 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 6 2016, 12:49 AM) *
And why Sosa again? Remind me, what did he do recently to deserve so much attention and fight from our behalf?


He was named player of the year in the Turkish league if I'm not mistaken.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Aug 7 2016, 05:38 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 6 2016, 11:53 PM) *
Nevermind the last few years. But anyone feeling a tad sentimental about Berlusconi leaving after 30 years?


I think, just like we reflect on the Carlo days today, we will reflect on Silvio's Era tomorrow. When we figure out that it wasn't all of Galliani doing after all but just how life is not always perfect like that wink.gif

But yes I feel a lot of sentimental attachment to Silvio's ownership of Milan. To an extent that he is the sole person after God responsible for Milans run over the last 30 years. And today, it is being transfered to China, whom Silvio has accepted a lower valuation of the club to just receive eur 520m and the rest 570m to milan (pay debt qnd transfers). That is a show of affection from the President to his club. Truly is. Forever grateful.

Posted by: Forza Milan! Aug 8 2016, 03:42 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Aug 7 2016, 06:38 PM) *
I think, just like we reflect on the Carlo days today, we will reflect on Silvio's Era tomorrow. When we figure out that it wasn't all of Galliani doing after all but just how life is not always perfect like that wink.gif

But yes I feel a lot of sentimental attachment to Silvio's ownership of Milan. To an extent that he is the sole person after God responsible for Milans run over the last 30 years. And today, it is being transfered to China, whom Silvio has accepted a lower valuation of the club to just receive eur 520m and the rest 570m to milan (pay debt qnd transfers). That is a show of affection from the President to his club. Truly is. Forever grateful.

I think we can agree on being grateful to Berlu smile.gif

As for the rest, reality is that Milan has been managed very badly (certainly in recent years, possibly going even further in the past). That has resulted in a number of very poor decisions that have contributed to our current state. Do compare our sorry state to what Juve (which is managed as a proper business) can achieve on the market these days, and to take into account that until recently revenues for the two clubs were not that far apart. Also, do refer back to the recent stockholder meeting, and all of the issues that were brought up back then. The overall picture is very, very far from perfect. So it may not be "all of Galliani doing", but as the "man in charge" he shoulders much of the blame.

On a separate note, Inter is not doing all that well either. Yes, they have more money, but they have not spent it very wisely and Mancini leaving a few weeks before the start of the season is not encouraging.

Posted by: Forza Milan! Sep 23 2016, 03:57 PM

Some scary http://www.calciomercato.com/news/milan-dalla-cina-spunta-un-nuovo-documento-falso-e-il-club-risch-372937 about our new investors, with allegations of false documents being used to get Berlu to agree to the deal (some of these allegations have apparently been confirmed by one of the Chinese banks). It sounds like the new investors are not as "solid" as they represented themselves, and may have to rely on help from Chinese banks, at least for a transition period. If so, the club will be effectively run by banks, which is probably not good news in terms of what we might be able to spend for players.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 23 2016, 04:26 PM

QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Sep 23 2016, 03:57 PM) *
Some scary http://www.calciomercato.com/news/milan-dalla-cina-spunta-un-nuovo-documento-falso-e-il-club-risch-372937 about our new investors, with allegations of false documents being used to get Berlu to agree to the deal (some of these allegations have apparently been confirmed by one of the Chinese banks). It sounds like the new investors are not as "solid" as they represented themselves, and may have to rely on help from Chinese banks, at least for a transition period. If so, the club will be effectively run by banks, which is probably not good news in terms of what we might be able to spend for players.

I read yesterday that Sino Europe denied the false documents allegations by Bloomberg and was threatening to sue. Fininvest have also denied these claims

Is this related or are these new allegations?

I personally find it hard to believe that with all that time taken even before the preliminary was agreed to carry out due diligence, with all the financial advisors Finivest had on this deal, that this would be coming out now

Posted by: han2503 Sep 23 2016, 07:38 PM

QUOTE
Sino-Europe threaten legal action


The Sino-Europe Sports group are threatening legal action after reports emerged that they had provided Milan with a false bank guarantee.

The Chinese consortium reached a deal to buy the Rossoneri from President Silvio Berlusconi’s holding company, Fininvest, last month. They have since paid a deposit of €100m and are due to conclude their takeover before the end of the year.

However, reports in Chinese media on Friday claimed that Sino-Europe had used false bank guarantees during the negotiations with Berlusconi, actions the group categorically denied in a statement.

“With regard to the incessant speculation from the media – including today’s, spread by Chinese daily Caixin, which claims that during negotiations Fininvest received false financial guarantees and false supporting documents – Sino-Europe Sports strongly declares that all of the speculation is unfounded and that it is considering beginning legal action,” the statement reads.

“As Fininvest has already stated several times, Sino-Europe Sports has duly and punctually complied with the financial obligations to Fininvest, in accordance with the agreement signed on 5th August.

“The parties are working attentively to finalise the closing of the deal, as was outlined in the said agreement.”


Either way, it would be crazy for anyone, let along a consortium made up of a number of different investors, to sink 100m into something that isn't air tight.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 23 2016, 07:40 PM

And this is the Fininvest press release as well

http://www.fininvest.it/assets/press/en/Press%20release%20Fininvest-Milan_ENG_23.9.16.pdf

Posted by: Forza Milan! Sep 23 2016, 09:06 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 23 2016, 08:38 PM) *
Either way, it would be crazy for anyone, let along a consortium made up of a number of different investors, to sink 100m into something that isn't air tight.

Agreed, they will find an answer (I hope). However, it looks like Chinese sources are now confirming the allegations. (https://it.sports.yahoo.com/notizie/cessione-milan-cina-non-hanno-121900403.html.)

Edit: Also, it's the consortium that is not "air tight", not Milan. The article in my previous posts says the situation is not dissimilar from Thohir buying Inter (apparently he needed banks to "bridge him" until he could find buyers with "deeper pockets").

Posted by: han2503 Sep 23 2016, 09:07 PM

QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Sep 23 2016, 09:06 PM) *
Agreed, they will find an answer. However, it looks like Chinese sources are now confirming the allegations. (https://it.sports.yahoo.com/notizie/cessione-milan-cina-non-hanno-121900403.html.)

And the statement I posted above are in reply to those allegations. Sino Europe are threatening to take legal action. And Fininvest have once again outlined the processes taken during the contract agreements

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 23 2016, 09:08 PM

Hmh. Not really up to a good start.

Posted by: Forza Milan! Sep 23 2016, 09:13 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 23 2016, 10:07 PM) *
And the statement I posted above are in reply to those allegations. Sino Europe are threatening to take legal action. And Fininvest have once again outlined the processes taken during the contract agreements

Yeah, should have paid more attention smile.gif. Still, it looks like one of the banks that is supposedly providing financial backing for the buyers is now saying that they are not involved and the document is indeed a fake. This could get interesting ...

Posted by: han2503 Sep 23 2016, 09:16 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 23 2016, 09:08 PM) *
Hmh. Not really up to a good start.

We'll see, but considering the fact that the consortium already have people working to re-structure the club's management, I'd call BS on this. If things weren't air tight, no way this would be going on. Add the 100m which is non-refundable to the equation, and I'd say we really shouldn't be worrying about it much

I read a couple of blurbs on twitter from the usual reporters who are saying that this is mostly happening because of how the consortium broke off during the negotiation process. If you guys recall back, the consortium was originally being spearheaded by Sal Galatiato and Nicholas Gancikoff. Then once the preliminary was signed we learned that a faction from that consortium broke off and signed the deal themselves with Fininvest as there were problems with coming to an agreement. So these reporters are basically speculating that the negative press is coming from the members which were basically left out in the cold

Posted by: d'Arc.LP Sep 25 2016, 08:44 PM

Sky Italia: Marco Fassone will fly to China to meet members of the Chinese consortium. The candidacy of Maldini for a role at Milan is gaining momentum. He'll speak with Fassone then make a decision.

Posted by: d'Arc.LP Oct 16 2016, 04:29 PM

Barbara Berlusconi has already vacated her office in Casa Milan. Galliani's future could be in Lega Serie A or UEFA board.
[La Stampa]

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 22 2016, 10:23 PM

Lega, UEFA or cleaning toilets, anywhere is fine but at this club for me.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Feb 19 2017, 11:01 PM

The curtains are being drawn on a glorious era, Silvio Berlusconi and Adriano Galliani will be history in two weeks time. When the Chinese come in, of whom I know none. How to relate? Will a Chinese visit to the locker room / milanello be as electrifying as Silvios? If there will be one that is?

But alas for everything in life comes to an end at some-point; Silvio cashes in, smart move. Such a beautiful era bolstered by countless triumphs. It is a FACT Milan's successful period was under Berlusconi. The Chinese have a difficult task trying, just as psg and city haven't really delivered to the maximum. Silvios Milan dismantled Barca's dream team in the 90's with a team not half the quality of that Barca.

Milan gets funds galore, get Mourinho and do a Chelsea. Actually that is not a bad idea at all.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 19 2017, 11:09 PM

Hopefully we can find our own formula.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Feb 20 2017, 06:00 AM

I think the current formula is showing some progress. What is needed is to invest in those same things. The youth sector, the training facilities, the commercial side of the sport etc.

And we must be consistent. Every year being Year Zero has really pegged us back.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 20 2017, 10:31 AM

Current formula? I don't think we have a current formula, it all happened where spontaneously and almost accidental.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Feb 20 2017, 01:17 PM

Haha. Well maybe we landed on this model by accident out of desparation. But it's a very good foundation to start from.

We've done a lot of good things.

- Slashed down the wage bill.
- Young core of players with much higher market value than what they were obtained for (possibly Bacca is an exception)
- Youth products in the team easily filling the league and UEFA norms
- Gaining a reputation as an Italian team not afraid to play youth thanks to Montella.
- Changing the playing philosophy (from a rather outdated 4-3-1-2 XMas tree to a 4-3-3 though the midfield needs better players)


I don't think that the Chinese have purchased a lemon in any way. They've got themselves a decent team with spirit, with great facilities and a good coach. They don't need to spend Man City level money to bring this team back to contention - Unless they turn stupid and imagine we can win CL in the next 3 years if they flush in 300 million euros.

Posted by: d'Arc.LP Feb 20 2017, 05:49 PM

MilanNews.it say the €320M could arrive directly from Hong Kong instead of passing through Luxembourg. The money would arrive on March 1.

The official presentation of the new ownership and management was initially planned to take place on March 3 at 18:00. But since it will be late night in China it was delayed to the morning of March 4.

The money from Sino-Europe will arrive from Hong Kong to Luxembourg between February 27 and February 28. The money will be deposited to Fininvest between March 1 and March 3. On March 4 the closing will happen in Arcore or Villa Gernetto.
[Sky]


Posted by: Danny Feb 21 2017, 03:41 AM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Feb 19 2017, 11:01 PM) *
The curtains are being drawn on a glorious era, Silvio Berlusconi and Adriano Galliani will be history in two weeks time. When the Chinese come in, of whom I know none. How to relate? Will a Chinese visit to the locker room / milanello be as electrifying as Silvios? If there will be one that is?

But alas for everything in life comes to an end at some-point; Silvio cashes in, smart move. Such a beautiful era bolstered by countless triumphs. It is a FACT Milan's successful period was under Berlusconi. The Chinese have a difficult task trying, just as psg and city haven't really delivered to the maximum. Silvios Milan dismantled Barca's dream team in the 90's with a team not half the quality of that Barca.

Milan gets funds galore, get Mourinho and do a Chelsea. Actually that is not a bad idea at all.


Mourinho never even got to the UCL final at Chelsea. Let's not do a Chelsea.

PSG took a bit of time but they are now very serious contenders to win the UCL this season - and Ligue 1. Even overnight cash doesn't delivery instant results - just ask Monaco.

As for City, a lack of history really stopped them signing the best players. They got some very good players but since the big money came in they haven't made one single truly marquee signing - Aguero is the only possible exception. A real lack of return on the investment mainly because the best players simply didn't want to go there.

Posted by: Danny Feb 21 2017, 03:41 AM

QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Feb 20 2017, 05:49 PM) *
MilanNews.it say the €320M could arrive directly from Hong Kong instead of passing through Luxembourg. The money would arrive on March 1.

The official presentation of the new ownership and management was initially planned to take place on March 3 at 18:00. But since it will be late night in China it was delayed to the morning of March 4.

The money from Sino-Europe will arrive from Hong Kong to Luxembourg between February 27 and February 28. The money will be deposited to Fininvest between March 1 and March 3. On March 4 the closing will happen in Arcore or Villa Gernetto.
[Sky]


March. Another delay. So utterly boring. I will believe this f*cking takeover when I see it.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Feb 25 2017, 01:59 PM

The curva sud are preparing the biggest tifo that combines the success and heritage of milan, and a 3D welcome to the Chinese on 4-March against Chievo.

Sky reports its gonna be massive.

Posted by: Danny Feb 25 2017, 05:48 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Feb 25 2017, 01:59 PM) *
The curva sud are preparing the biggest tifo that combines the success and heritage of milan, and a 3D welcome to the Chinese on 4-March against Chievo.

Sky reports its gonna be massive.


I still won't believe it's happened until...it happens!

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Feb 28 2017, 11:27 PM

Inching closer to the closing on the evening of March 3rd and yet another set of rumors about another delay with a third deposit being paid. Apparently part of the chinese investors backed off and well ...

However, we have yet to get any formal communication about this either from Fininvest, SES or Milan. Hence, im still optimistic that the closing will happen and that this is nothing but the usual rumors. Especially now that we have two days left.

Posted by: Danny Mar 1 2017, 01:39 PM

Delayed by a month, at best - Berlusconi reportedly rejected a reduced offer as well.

I have been doubting this and doubting this and BAM it's all falling apart again.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Mar 1 2017, 04:02 PM

If it does fall apart Danny then we have 200M, or Silvio has 200M, in cash. Repay part of Milan's 220M debt, buy a good defender, midfielder and striker. Sell <enter player(s)> (I think they would be persuaded to leave; being rational).

Yeah, but I am still holding out for a Chinese entry on the 3rd. As the rumors have it one/two of the Chinese groups is backing out. They had over two years to back out. Its surreal to think they woke up and backed off. Further, Silvio wants to dispose of Milan and get it off his books. It needs lots of money thrown at it with pocket change return, and he isn't the politician he once was so whats the point in keeping the club. He could always remain a fan as a spectator.

He'll sell it alright, if not to the Chinese then to the Americans.

You know what would be really cool? If there is a way to reach most Milanfans in the world, lets say we gather 3,000,000 fans (IG has 2.9M) who form a company with each share priced at €333/- thats €1bn capital in cash. Buyout Silvio with the valuation the Chinese used, we should have 250-300M free to invest after Milan debt settled, Silvio happy at the bank and we will finally have the power to dictate things biggrin.gif . The catch is, we will have to pay annual fees of X amount with no return on the money we are putting in. But at least we own the damn club and get the best seat in the house at match day 96.gif

Posted by: Danny Mar 1 2017, 11:18 PM

Your post reeks of desperation sad.gif

If this sale doesn't go through, and it looks horribly like it won't, we remain in this grave pit for a very long time.

Hopefully I'm surprised instead.

Posted by: Forza Milan! Mar 2 2017, 06:06 AM

QUOTE (Danny @ Mar 2 2017, 12:18 AM) *
Your post reeks of desperation sad.gif

If this sale doesn't go through, and it looks horribly like it won't, we remain in this grave pit for a very long time.

Hopefully I'm surprised instead.

I share your concern. If B&G keep running the show, we are only going to sink deeper. The 200M is good for Fininvest, but Fininvest lost the desire to put any money into the club years ago, and our current management has shown they can waste money whenever they get any. Yes, B&G achieved great things, but that was over a decade ago.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Mar 3 2017, 10:30 AM

Shareholders meeting at fininvest over and they voted to give additional time to the Chinese. An official statement is to follow.

EDIT: Read http://en.calcioefinanza.com/2017/03/02/ac-milan-half-year-financial-statement-2016-17-75-million-red/

Posted by: Danny Mar 3 2017, 04:18 PM

I love how one option is basically nicking 200M from them biggrin.gif

Posted by: Forza Milan! Mar 4 2017, 04:05 AM

QUOTE (Danny @ Mar 3 2017, 05:18 PM) *
I love how one option is basically nicking 200M from them biggrin.gif

I get a sinking feeling that they will go for that option (way too tempting for B&G), and we are going to be back to the way it was (for the last few years, that is). If so, I expect a lot of posturing from B&G, but once is all is said and done our decline will continue.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Mar 4 2017, 08:18 AM

Technically speaking it isnt B&G ... that would apply if the 200M was deposited with Milan. It is deposited with Fininvest for itsshare in Milan. Technically it is Silvios money. So if that option is called, then its Silvio's decision to dig into his pocket. As he has been doing for 30 years now.

What boggles me though, aside from all this, is who are these Chinese and are they really the breath of fresh air that we lack? Or they will pick up where Silvio left off?

Posted by: han2503 Mar 4 2017, 08:34 AM

QUOTE (Danny @ Mar 3 2017, 04:18 PM) *
I love how one option is basically nicking 200M from them biggrin.gif

I doubt that will happen though. The board of directors just had to approve another annual loss of 70m, 200m in the long run doesn't do anything to stem the blood flow.

Silvio and most importantly Fininvest want to sell Milan, that's a surety, now whether it will be to this group or another one remains to be seen. But Milan will be sold, whether it's now or a year from now, this is something I'm 100% sure of. Our future is no longer with the Berlusconi family.

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Mar 4 2017, 08:18 AM) *
Technically speaking it isnt B&G ... that would apply if the 200M was deposited with Milan. It is deposited with Fininvest for itsshare in Milan. Technically it is Silvios money. So if that option is called, then its Silvio's decision to dig into his pocket. As he has been doing for 30 years now.

What boggles me though, aside from all this, is who are these Chinese and are they really the breath of fresh air that we lack? Or they will pick up where Silvio left off?

Yes, and I personally think they'll use that to pay the yearly running cost which still comes at a huge big fat red number even when we don't spend on transfers and pocket the rest. Silvio has proven that he no longer has any desire to spend big sums on Milan

Aside from that, I really find it hard to believe that anyone would give you 200m and then just walk away, it's just crazy stuff. Either there's something even shadier going on than we already believe there is, or no money has really come in at all and this was justa save-face exercise from Fininvest. It just all doesn't make sense

Another worrying issue for me is that this supposed consortium that has backers worth over a Trillion dollars in it can't scrounge up the measly 320m that was still required to be paid at the closing. It certainly doesn't auger well for our supposed spending power under the Chinese that's for sure.

Posted by: Forza Milan! Mar 10 2017, 07:12 AM

Looks like http://www.goal.com/it/news/2/serie-a/2017/03/09/33472052/milan-ok-le-verifiche-su-sino-europe-sports-si-va-verso-una?ICID=HP_HN_3.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 10 2017, 10:57 PM

QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Mar 10 2017, 07:12 AM) *
Looks like http://www.goal.com/it/news/2/serie-a/2017/03/09/33472052/milan-ok-le-verifiche-su-sino-europe-sports-si-va-verso-una?ICID=HP_HN_3.

We'll see, not trusting anything until it actually happens at this point

Posted by: Danny Mar 11 2017, 02:32 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Mar 10 2017, 10:57 PM) *
We'll see, not trusting anything until it actually happens at this point


Bingo. I heard this last night. It's been pie in the sky up till now. Why would this be any different?

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Mar 13 2017, 07:24 AM

Just sell them a minority stake and be done with it. dry.gif

Also, heard that Audi will no longer be our sponsors from next season. I wonder who will be the new choice. Hope it won't be Hyundai tongue.gif

Posted by: han2503 Mar 13 2017, 10:49 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Mar 13 2017, 07:24 AM) *
Just sell them a minority stake and be done with it. dry.gif

Also, heard that Audi will no longer be our sponsors from next season. I wonder who will be the new choice. Hope it won't be Hyundai tongue.gif

From D&G to Diesel

From Audi to BYD or Chery
...

Oh the downfall...

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Mar 14 2017, 05:27 AM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Mar 14 2017, 05:19 AM) *
From D&G to Diesel

From Audi to BYD or Chery
...

Oh the downfall...


Well - The Diesel move has coincided with a huge upturn in results. And trust me han, if you see an actual winning team walking in with those Diesel outfits, we'd be devilsmiley.gif So much better than other clubs walking in with stuff suits. tongue.gif

I'm serious, the new Milan Diesel range is really epic. I plan to pick up something or the other soon. I blew a ton on a new laptop, so might need to wait.

I really want that Emirates logo to go too. I don't really like that except for Madrid, there aren't really too many reputed clubs. Maybe a nice electronics company.

And is it mandatory that we replace Audi with another car sponsor? I know most clubs have a car sponsor and they also sponsor the seats where the team sits.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 23 2017, 07:30 PM

I don't think it's mandatory but it brings in money.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Mar 31 2017, 07:03 AM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Mar 24 2017, 02:00 AM) *
I don't think it's mandatory but it brings in money.


Yeah sure. But I'd rather it be any other brand than some car brand which we couldn't care much for. Like KIA or something.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 3 2017, 08:58 PM

So it is all set for April 14th? If So, then these are Silvio's last days as the head of the club.

Let us hope the people incoming can bring a solid team together, though it seems weird (mixed feelings). If they can produce a Champions League position next season that would be a step in the right direction. Afterall this team has shown it is slowly forming a backbone, if not for the injuries. With a good bench and much needed attention to the front line. Bacca is good but a Shevchenko would be better.

Anyways what I'm trying to say is Silvio is leaving the new owners a solid platform to build on. We need someone like Carlo to put things into perspective more than our need for the next Messi or Buffon.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 6 2017, 05:01 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Apr 3 2017, 08:58 PM) *
So it is all set for April 14th? If So, then these are Silvio's last days as the head of the club.

Let us hope the people incoming can bring a solid team together, though it seems weird (mixed feelings). If they can produce a Champions League position next season that would be a step in the right direction. Afterall this team has shown it is slowly forming a backbone, if not for the injuries. With a good bench and much needed attention to the front line. Bacca is good but a Shevchenko would be better.

Anyways what I'm trying to say is Silvio is leaving the new owners a solid platform to build on. We need someone like Carlo to put things into perspective more than our need for the next Messi or Buffon.

Let's hope it's finally done this time. But it appears everything is set this time around

What do you think about the Elliot loan? Is it a double edged sword for us. I'm a bit worried of what could happen if Li can't pay up

As for the rebuilding process, I'd like to see us give Montella a chance with a proper team, he's exceeded my expectations this season considering what he has to work with. If he had a proper squad with some quality players and some good options off the bench, I think he could really achieve something great with us

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Apr 7 2017, 06:33 AM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Apr 6 2017, 11:31 PM) *
Let's hope it's finally done this time. But it appears everything is set this time around

What do you think about the Elliot loan? Is it a double edged sword for us. I'm a bit worried of what could happen if Li can't pay up

As for the rebuilding process, I'd like to see us give Montella a chance with a proper team, he's exceeded my expectations this season considering what he has to work with. If he had a proper squad with some quality players and some good options off the bench, I think he could really achieve something great with us


The news I heard about the Elliot loan is interesting. Apparently one of the conditions for advancing the loan is that the value of the team must not drop. In other words, the Chinese can't sell assets (including players) just to recoup money or make revenue. This is good news, since I think this means star players will be kept or replaced with exciting talent. And if you look at the loan they're advancing - it is close to 50% of the deal size.

I agree Montella must be given the chance to continue. I find him ambitious and brave. Yes he's a bit untried in Europe, but European competition is not unknown to him since he was a player till recently. I also read reports the Chinese are very impressed and do want him to continue AND that he does want to continue because he's very pleased with the new team he's building.

So let's see. I can dream till April 14th. And then probably go cry in the toilet when the dream turns to ash.

Posted by: Danny Apr 11 2017, 03:09 PM

Football Italia here in UK still forcing this Roberto Mancini story, and that that's who the 'new owners' (if we ever get them) want as manager.

It's almost as if some see Montella as a threat and are trying to force him out of his job.

For the errors he's made, and there's been a few, I'd say he's the best coach we've had since Allegri.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Apr 11 2017, 04:43 PM

What? Why would Montella go? He's made errors, sure. All coaches make them. But he's a damn good coach if you ask me.

Posted by: Danny Apr 11 2017, 09:43 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 11 2017, 04:43 PM) *
What? Why would Montella go? He's made errors, sure. All coaches make them. But he's a damn good coach if you ask me.


Because new owners always want their 'own man'. I agree with you Pippo, I think he's done a stellar job under the circumstances and with funds could really make a go of Milan, but end of the day if this takeover does happen the owners will do what they please because it's their trainset now.

I'd prefer if they keep him of course, but it's their call at the end of the day.

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 11 2017, 10:07 PM

Mancini is terrible.

Posted by: Forza Milan! Apr 12 2017, 01:03 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 11 2017, 11:07 PM) *
Mancini is terrible.
I agree. Way overrated, IMHO. Only reason he won with Inter is Calciopoli, did not do that great at Man City given the players he had available, and has not done much since.

OTOH, my brother (who I hate to admit is an Inter fan) thinks highly of him.

Posted by: Danny Apr 12 2017, 04:06 PM

QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Apr 12 2017, 01:03 PM) *
I agree. Way overrated, IMHO. Only reason he won with Inter is Calciopoli, did not do that great at Man City given the players he had available, and has not done much since.

OTOH, my brother (who I hate to admit is an Inter fan) thinks highly of him.


City are a poisoned chalice. They've made Pellegrini and Guardiola look like mediocre managers. While the latter is definitely overrated, he's not as shite as his squad are making him look.

For Mancini to actually get that disfunctional club its first title in decades is not to be dismissed. Sorry, but it isn't. Others have failed to do the same with the lavish resources they've all had.

I'm also not a big Mancini fan, fwiw, I just think this forum is extremely dismissive of him and unfairly so. If we're talking about career achievements, and their merits, our own manager, who I prefer, has basically done zero in 6 years. Won nothing beyond the Supercoppa with us.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Apr 12 2017, 04:17 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Apr 12 2017, 10:36 PM) *
City are a poisoned chalice. They've made Pellegrini and Guardiola look like mediocre managers. While the latter is definitely overrated, he's not as shite as his squad are making him look.

For Mancini to actually get that disfunctional club its first title in decades is not to be dismissed. Sorry, but it isn't. Others have failed to do the same with the lavish resources they've all had.

I'm also not a big Mancini fan, fwiw, I just think this forum is extremely dismissive of him and unfairly so. If we're talking about career achievements, and their merits, our own manager, who I prefer, has basically done zero in 6 years. Won nothing beyond the Supercoppa with us.


I don't like Mancini, because he has zero style. I just don't like how his teams are set up and how they play. He also tends to walk away when things don't go his way. I think if you want to work at Milan, you must be a bit willing to put your head down and work under sub-ideal conditions.

The only reason Mancini's name has popped up is because of his association with Mirabelli and Fassone and they think he's their favourite. I think it's just papers desperately trying to cook up news.

However, we could with the new management see the end of 'Ital-Milan'. Which I'm worried is going to be trouble.

Posted by: Danny Apr 13 2017, 11:54 AM

Today's the day (!)

Will it actually happen!

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Apr 13 2017, 01:35 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Apr 13 2017, 06:24 PM) *
Today's the day (!)

Will it actually happen!


It's OFFICIAL now. So nervous, yet also excited.

Posted by: Danny Apr 13 2017, 02:17 PM

I never thought I'd see the day.

But does this mean B&G are completely out of the picture?

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Apr 13 2017, 03:16 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Apr 13 2017, 03:17 PM) *
I never thought I'd see the day.

But does this mean B&G are completely out of the picture?

that is what the media is saying.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Apr 13 2017, 03:16 PM

I suppose so.

Posted by: Danny Apr 13 2017, 03:25 PM

And Babs is gone too.

Fassone is our new CEO, and in fact the only only guard that will remain is Leandro Cantamessa, the lawyer.

It's complete change and Li will be the new president. Berlusconi rejected the honourary role.

tbh I barely care who has come in, to us fans one suit is the same as another. What matters is the money - do they have real hard money and will they invest in Milan quality players?

This summer will be fascinating.

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 13 2017, 11:16 PM

Can I remove my anti-Galliani sig now?

Posted by: Forza Milan! Apr 14 2017, 02:39 AM

QUOTE (Danny @ Apr 13 2017, 04:25 PM) *
And Babs is gone too.

Fassone is our new CEO, and in fact the only only guard that will remain is Leandro Cantamessa, the lawyer.

It's complete change and Li will be the new president. Berlusconi rejected the honourary role.

tbh I barely care who has come in, to us fans one suit is the same as another. What matters is the money - do they have real hard money and will they invest in Milan quality players?

This summer will be fascinating.

The claim is that they will have money for Summer transfers.

In any case, I feel a tinge of sadness (it is the end of the era, and if we ignore these last years, B&G brought a struggling team to greatness). I also feel excitement (new management, some money for rebuilding the team - at least in theory) mixed with apprehension (the ongoing saga in the last few months has left me with a lot of questions).

Posted by: Forza Milan! Apr 14 2017, 02:40 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 14 2017, 12:16 AM) *
Can I remove my anti-Galliani sig now?

Yup.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 14 2017, 08:47 AM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Apr 12 2017, 04:17 PM) *
I don't like Mancini, because he has zero style. I just don't like how his teams are set up and how they play. He also tends to walk away when things don't go his way. I think if you want to work at Milan, you must be a bit willing to put your head down and work under sub-ideal conditions.

The only reason Mancini's name has popped up is because of his association with Mirabelli and Fassone and they think he's their favourite. I think it's just papers desperately trying to cook up news.

However, we could with the new management see the end of 'Ital-Milan'. Which I'm worried is going to be trouble.

I agree about Mancini Jack, total dud who has zero vision. Wouldn't touch him with a 20ft pole

I really want to see the new management put their faith in Montella and get completely behind him. Give him a praper squad and I think he'll flourish even more than he already has with all the limitations he's had to deal with

I've personally always been a fan of his coaching style, he did very well at Roma imo when he took the caretaker role, and his Fiorentina team was always a joy to watch and were relatively successful in terms of club objectives for a team like Fiorentina

QUOTE (Danny @ Apr 13 2017, 11:54 AM) *
Today's the day (!)

Will it actually happen!

IT DID!! devil.gif devil.gif

QUOTE (Danny @ Apr 13 2017, 02:17 PM) *
I never thought I'd see the day.

But does this mean B&G are completely out of the picture?

Yep, no more shady deals, no more back scratching for Genoa, no more being treated like idiots by Galliani. The circus has finally moved out of town.

Don't get me wrong, I appreciated all that Berlusconi has done for Milan and none of the success we've had would be possible without him, but it's time. It's been time for a few years now and their actions/inaction was ruining the memories of what they'd accomplished

Let's all hope these new owners can take us back to where this great club belongs

I've been worried, but the fact that they've paid up 740m + another 90m for this years running costs has to mean they're serious

QUOTE (Danny @ Apr 13 2017, 03:25 PM) *
And Babs is gone too.

Fassone is our new CEO, and in fact the only only guard that will remain is Leandro Cantamessa, the lawyer.

It's complete change and Li will be the new president. Berlusconi rejected the honourary role.

tbh I barely care who has come in, to us fans one suit is the same as another. What matters is the money - do they have real hard money and will they invest in Milan quality players?

This summer will be fascinating.

We're already being linked with everyone under the sun. it's important to see if these new owners can make a statement signing or two this summer.

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 13 2017, 11:16 PM) *
Can I remove my anti-Galliani sig now?

I think you can tongue.gif

QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Apr 14 2017, 02:39 AM) *
The claim is that they will have money for Summer transfers.

In any case, I feel a tinge of sadness (it is the end of the era, and if we ignore these last years, B&G brought a struggling team to greatness). I also feel excitement (new management, some money for rebuilding the team - at least in theory) mixed with apprehension (the ongoing saga in the last few months has left me with a lot of questions).

We'll see. I am equal parts apprehensive and excited to see what the future holds for the club. If these new owners fail I can see it being similar to the Inter situation with Thohir and then Suning. I think what's important now is that Silvio has finally let go and we're out from under Fininvest's clutches.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 14 2017, 11:09 AM

Live press conference

www.facebook.com/ACMilan/videos/10154351955921937

I'm liking how Fassone is peaking atm

Posted by: Danny Apr 14 2017, 12:31 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Apr 14 2017, 11:09 AM) *
Live press conference

www.facebook.com/ACMilan/videos/10154351955921937

I'm liking how Fassone is peaking atm


It's archived. Alas I don't understand a word of Italian biggrin.gif

Posted by: Danny Apr 14 2017, 12:31 PM

QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Apr 14 2017, 02:39 AM) *
The claim is that they will have money for Summer transfers.

In any case, I feel a tinge of sadness (it is the end of the era, and if we ignore these last years, B&G brought a struggling team to greatness). I also feel excitement (new management, some money for rebuilding the team - at least in theory) mixed with apprehension (the ongoing saga in the last few months has left me with a lot of questions).


From what I gather Berlusconi feels hurt over the whole thing.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 14 2017, 01:56 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Apr 14 2017, 12:31 PM) *
It's archived. Alas I don't understand a word of Italian biggrin.gif

Move ahead to around the 15 minute mark, it switches to English

Posted by: Danny Apr 14 2017, 02:06 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Apr 14 2017, 01:56 PM) *
Move ahead to around the 15 minute mark, it switches to English


Cheers. Most of the meat and guts have already been quoted in English by the press it seems.

Posted by: Forza Milan! Apr 14 2017, 05:20 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Apr 14 2017, 01:31 PM) *
From what I gather Berlusconi feels hurt over the whole thing.

Why? It was his decision to sell (yes, I am sure his children put a lot of pressure on him, but at the end of the day he still calls the shots). It is not as if he was willing to throw money at the club or do something to deal with mis-management. He got good money in the sale (probably more than the club is actually worth at the present time). And, after selling the club, surely he did not expect to still actively manage it?

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 14 2017, 07:42 PM

Mediaset saying that our budget for this summer will be 50 million. WTF?! That's peanuts.

Posted by: Danny Apr 14 2017, 08:32 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 14 2017, 07:42 PM) *
Mediaset saying that our budget for this summer will be 50 million. WTF?! That's peanuts.


Who owns Mediaset...

Posted by: han2503 Apr 14 2017, 09:07 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 14 2017, 07:42 PM) *
Mediaset saying that our budget for this summer will be 50 million. WTF?! That's peanuts.

Most outlets are in agreement that it's around the 150m mark

That and Fassone said that it's a big budget today. I don't know, but I don't think he'd say anything if that's just 50m

That being said, I read that what they will basically do is make the transfer payments in instalments, which is a common practice (not just a Galliani method for doing things) so basically let's say we buy Aubemayang and he'd cost 80m and they make it in 20m instalments. That means the budget is only impacted by 20m for this transfer campaign

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 15 2017, 04:04 PM

Maybe it was a typo and they meant 150 million. biggrin.gif

Anyway, Fabregas seems to be the main target right now. I'd be delighted if we signed him, but I would also consider a good holding mid. My priorities:


If we make these four signings our team would be immensely improved and we could easily aim for a CL spot.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Apr 15 2017, 04:52 PM

I think we need to redefine and rethink our defense. Several players are questionable IMO, and what we need is: a stable, quality and offensive fullback - haven't had that kind of a player in ages (Serginho?); a CB with experience to pair with Romagnoli (not Musacchio, I'd prefer someone more experienced and already a winner) and a reserve seasoned yet good keeper.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 15 2017, 05:43 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 15 2017, 04:04 PM) *
Maybe it was a typo and they meant 150 million. biggrin.gif

Anyway, Fabregas seems to be the main target right now. I'd be delighted if we signed him, but I would also consider a good holding mid. My priorities:
  • CB to pair with Romagnoli (apparently we're in for Musacchio but I don't really know how good he is)
  • Holding mid with good feet that can distribute the ball (Badelj?)
  • Fabregas
  • Top CF (Belotti?)

If we make these four signings our team would be immensely improved and we could easily aim for a CL spot.

Well Cesc would definitely be a dream signing. And honestly Badelj? I was all in for him last summer when we were poor and had a very low bar set for ourselves but we should definitely be looking at better players if we want to make the instant jump in quality to get us into the CL Fassone was talking about

Like I said in the transfer thread, I would personally ignore all other positions if it came down to it and first put my entire sole focus on that midfield

Fillipo, the defence wouldn't be half as bad if it wasn't continually exposed by our mids during long stretches of any given game. Until the issues in midfield are addressed it's pointless to spend big on a striker or defender (like we have done in the past already), the problems we have now will still persist

The Cesc rumours if even fractionally true and we're just interested in him already give me great hope, as it means that Mirabelli is already looking at the right pofiles.

For me, the priorities would go as follows:

Tier 1:
1. Regista - Could it be Cesc, my mind tells me it's wishful thinking, my heart is telling me to get excited
2. Box-to-box mid that's good on both sides of the ball - Absolute dream would be Radja and if we have the cash I personally think it's possible if the player would be willing to come. Still if Radja is not a possibility there are other options out there, as long as Kucka is moved to the bench

Tier 2:
1. CB - Yeah Musacchio is a big question mark for me, mostly because I've never seen him play and he has a spotty injury history, My personal choice would be De Vrij, there are reports Lazio want 20m for him, that's very do-able for us and he'd instantly improve our backline, plus he's Seria A proven. Also, what do you think of Fiorentina's Rodriguez? He doesn't want to renew his contract and could be a low cost solution for the bench which would allow us to move Zapata and Paletta on
2. LW - We have Deulofeu now, but I think he's gone in the summer, and even if we do manage to keep him our options in that position are very limited, if Suso or Deu are out we're screwed. Moving Bona there was an option but I think he was much more effective in midfield at the start of the season, plus we have no way of knowing how he'll do when he returns from injury

Tier 3
1. LB - I want to see us give DS one final chance at RB. We need to bring in a proper LB either way
2. CF - Belotti would be a dream but we've been linked to Aubameyang and Benzema more than him, I don't know if he's even on the radar atm

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Apr 16 2017, 11:10 AM

Nainggolan? No thanks. We need professionals and players who'll bring in positive attitude and mentality, not poison for the whole squad.

First, we have to sell or loan out a bunch of unnecessary/not fitting players like Paletta, Vangioni, Montolivo, Bertolacci, etc. Then we have to take into account that some players, like Bacca, could very well leave or be sold.

So I think next summer will be crucial. We should be signing 2-3 top players (striker if Bacca goes, midfielder, winger) and a few talents or potentially very good players to solidify the midfield and the defense. Yes, much of the trouble was caused by the midfield yesterday. But that doesn't exclude MDS from being piss poor.

All great or at least CL-position teams have good to great fullbacks. All of them have fullbacks who can defend and attack. We don't have a single fullback who is capable of penetrating (bar Abate sometimes) the opposite defense and causing real trouble. MDS, Antonelli, Calabria and Vangioni are nonexistent options.

And what's that with giving MDS a chance as right back now? Han, you were one of the most ardent critics when coaches put him on the right. What's changed? I think you're grasping for a hail mary here.

Posted by: Danny Apr 16 2017, 12:21 PM

You kidding me?! You don't want Nainggolan?!

Posted by: han2503 Apr 16 2017, 02:07 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 16 2017, 11:10 AM) *
Nainggolan? No thanks. We need professionals and players who'll bring in positive attitude and mentality, not poison for the whole squad.

First, we have to sell or loan out a bunch of unnecessary/not fitting players like Paletta, Vangioni, Montolivo, Bertolacci, etc. Then we have to take into account that some players, like Bacca, could very well leave or be sold.

So I think next summer will be crucial. We should be signing 2-3 top players (striker if Bacca goes, midfielder, winger) and a few talents or potentially very good players to solidify the midfield and the defense. Yes, much of the trouble was caused by the midfield yesterday. But that doesn't exclude MDS from being piss poor.

All great or at least CL-position teams have good to great fullbacks. All of them have fullbacks who can defend and attack. We don't have a single fullback who is capable of penetrating (bar Abate sometimes) the opposite defense and causing real trouble. MDS, Antonelli, Calabria and Vangioni are nonexistent options.

And what's that with giving MDS a chance as right back now? Han, you were one of the most ardent critics when coaches put him on the right. What's changed? I think you're grasping for a hail mary here.

First, you wouldn't want Nianggolan? Say what? Imagine him and Fabregas in a double pivot or part of a 3-man midfield. 70% of our problems in both attack and defence would be instantly solved imo

Sure, getting rid of the excess (Bacca included here) is a must, but we're no longer in a position where we have to sell one player before we get another (Galliani's famous; If someone leaves he will be replaced if everyone stays we're good as we are). I have no doubts that certain players will be moved on and it is a pressing matter but not as much as it was before as we don't have an unnaturally oversized squad like we have had in the past

Look, I think DS is a good defender, he's not so good going forward, no doubt about that. Did he have lapses yesterday? Yes, but so did Romagnoli, Calabria and Donna. When your midfield is constantly exposing your defence to one on one situations the errors we saw yesterday will continue to happen. That's why I have said before and will keep on saying until I'm blue in the face, that until the midfield is fixed, we can spend all the money we want on the other areas of the pitch, it's not going to fix our problems

As for DS, he's played on both sides this year, and I was far more impressed with him when he played on the right. And you are correct, that in the past I was a staunch advocate for him being used on the left as he always showed better performances there and not at RB. But THIS season when he has played at RB he's been better imo

QUOTE (Danny @ Apr 16 2017, 12:21 PM) *
You kidding me?! You don't want Nainggolan?!

This

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 16 2017, 04:13 PM

Nainggolan is as professional as professionals can get. A true example on the pitch. You're completely wrong here, Fillipo. Don't be fooled by his tattoos and hairstyle. Beckham was also flamboyant, but in the words of Ancelotti, he was the most professional player he's ever trained.

That being said, I don't think Roma will sell him.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 16 2017, 04:39 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 16 2017, 04:13 PM) *
Nainggolan is as professional as professionals can get. A true example on the pitch. You're completely wrong here, Fillipo. Don't be fooled by his tattoos and hairstyle. Beckham was also flamboyant, but in the words of Ancelotti, he was the most professional player he's ever trained.

That being said, I don't think Roma will sell him.

Well, Roma have shown in the past (more than once) that if you offer them enough money they'll accept it.

It's mostly a matter of whether we can offer them that money and if the player wants to come to a rival team

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 16 2017, 07:25 PM

The transaction on a whole cost the Chinese a tad over one billion euros. This transaction is a mix of equity and debt, hence the Elliot fund. The funds were routed to settled Milan's debt (which today is zero, the absolute lowest amongst all top clubs world wide), the running costs and acquisitions during the past season, The rest is valuation of the club.

After a huge transaction You'd expect the summer transfer window to be very promising no? Well yeah, but I wouldn't want them to go for anybody, I'd rather they build the team gradually over the next two/three years. Preparing a team capable of representing Milan. Not a new Galacticos.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 17 2017, 11:02 AM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Apr 16 2017, 07:25 PM) *
The transaction on a whole cost the Chinese a tad over one billion euros. This transaction is a mix of equity and debt, hence the Elliot fund. The funds were routed to settled Milan's debt (which today is zero, the absolute lowest amongst all top clubs world wide), the running costs and acquisitions during the past season, The rest is valuation of the club.

After a huge transaction You'd expect the summer transfer window to be very promising no? Well yeah, but I wouldn't want them to go for anybody, I'd rather they build the team gradually over the next two/three years. Preparing a team capable of representing Milan. Not a new Galacticos.

You know, I’ve been skeptical for a while now considering all the delays and set-backs in the entire takeover process

But I’m definitely getting excited/hopeful now having listened to Fassone in the press conference. And considering that the club was bought for over a billion Euros, I find it hard to believe that this would be some sort of scam. You wouldn’t spend over a billion to let your acquisition rot.

I was also skeptical of the Fassone / Mirabelli picks, but I’ve read many good things on both. Fassone was part of the team that made the Juventus stadium build a possibility, he only spent a limited time at Inter and Mirabelli has really put his working boots on and has been going to the right games, not to mention, the names we’re being linked with are all very encouraging.

I personally don’t anticipate a Galactico type of transfer market either, but I think there will definitely be a substantial budget. What matters is if the correct decisions are made in the transfer market and we don’t waste a lot of money on the wrong players like we have done in the past

Posted by: Danny Apr 17 2017, 12:17 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Apr 17 2017, 11:02 AM) *
You know, I've been skeptical for a while now considering all the delays and set-backs in the entire takeover process


Me too, but I stopped short of calling it a money laundering process wink.gif



Posted by: Jack Sparrow Apr 17 2017, 12:30 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Apr 17 2017, 06:47 PM) *
Me too, but I stopped short of calling it a money laundering process wink.gif


It might well be. We might have replaced Italian gangsters with Chinese. laugh.gif

Posted by: Danny Apr 17 2017, 09:14 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Apr 17 2017, 12:30 PM) *
It might well be. We might have replaced Italian gangsters with Chinese. laugh.gif


That optimism of yours lasted long tongue.gif

Posted by: han2503 Apr 18 2017, 06:22 AM

QUOTE (Danny @ Apr 17 2017, 09:14 PM) *
That optimism of yours lasted long tongue.gif

It crossed my mind, but I would think if Silvio wanted to launder money he'd do it in a less public setting.

Now that it's finally done and dusted, I think it's legit. The true test is to see how the club is run over the next few years. And us, as fans, can't really do anything but watch and hope that the club is in good hands

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 20 2017, 06:46 PM

So there is a curve ball to this deal. This Elliot hedge fund based in the US granted €330M to close the deal. The same carries interest of over 11% and is due to be paid back in a year and a half from now as a single payment. The Elliot hedge fund will have no power over the board and will not dictate transfers. Instead receive a written report every two months on the progress and increase in value of the 99.9% shares owned by Rossoneri Sport Lux.

If the new owners fail to pay the 330M back in a year and a half from now, the 99.9% shares in Milan will be transferred to Elliot hedge fund whom will likely sell it off in the market.

That is; things could get ugly if the Chinese don't get their capital released from China in time.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Apr 21 2017, 11:59 AM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Apr 21 2017, 01:16 AM) *
So there is a curve ball to this deal. This Elliot hedge fund based in the US granted €330M to close the deal. The same carries interest of over 11% and is due to be paid back in a year and a half from now as a single payment. The Elliot hedge fund will have no power over the board and will not dictate transfers. Instead receive a written report every two months on the progress and increase in value of the 99.9% shares owned by Rossoneri Sport Lux.

If the new owners fail to pay the 330M back in a year and a half from now, the 99.9% shares in Milan will be transferred to Elliot hedge fund whom will likely sell it off in the market.

That is; things could get ugly if the Chinese don't get their capital released from China in time.



Surely not. Surely only the 330MM worth of shares will get transfered. They can sell it or put it on the stock market to get their cash back.


Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 21 2017, 12:55 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Apr 21 2017, 02:59 PM) *
Surely not. Surely only the 330MM worth of shares will get transfered. They can sell it or put it on the stock market to get their cash back.


Apparently 99.9% of Milan shares is the agreement, as security.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 23 2017, 06:25 AM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Apr 21 2017, 12:55 PM) *
Apparently 99.9% of Milan shares is the agreement, as security.

Yep

I think this is a common practice, for example when we loan money from a bank here in Malta and it's a substantial amount, you have to make a guarantee (for example your home). If you fail to make your payments, then the bank WILL repossess your home, even if the amount you borrowed is half of what your home is worth

Posted by: d'Arc.LP Apr 24 2017, 11:15 AM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Apr 23 2017, 08:25 AM) *
Yep

I think this is a common practice, for example when we loan money from a bank here in Malta and it's a substantial amount, you have to make a guarantee (for example your home). If you fail to make your payments, then the bank WILL repossess your home, even if the amount you borrowed is half of what your home is worth


It all depends on the agreement. As a lawyer, I can say that this is not the case in most of the times. Every country has it's own law for execution by which they regulate the procedure of the execution of the debts (or other credits). Usually, for your example, when they sell your home in auctions, they take the money that you own, all the expences of the procedure and they give you the rest. I have not read the contract, but I think that the same way has been regulated the situation of the club. If it would be as you say, it would be a situation when we get "unbiased enrichment" and "damage beyond measure".

BTW the bank will never own your home, it will just get the right to sell it, but never become an owner smile.gif I don't have much time to explain and my english is not in proper levlel.

EDIT: I forgot to mention, when an international transaction takes place, usually they have clauses in contracts that determine what court is competent to hear the case if any of the party doesn't fulfill their obligation. Usually they are arbitration courts that regulate their procedure by the rules contracted and not some law of any country. As the principle says "contract is the law for parties".

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Apr 25 2017, 11:26 PM

I hear Panucci might be involved in our staff as a team manager [FI]. Would be fine with me.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Apr 26 2017, 12:26 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 26 2017, 05:56 AM) *
I hear Panucci might be involved in our staff as a team manager [FI]. Would be fine with me.


Rino Gatuso or GTFO! laugh.gif

Posted by: han2503 Apr 28 2017, 07:50 PM

QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Apr 24 2017, 11:15 AM) *
It all depends on the agreement. As a lawyer, I can say that this is not the case in most of the times. Every country has it's own law for execution by which they regulate the procedure of the execution of the debts (or other credits). Usually, for your example, when they sell your home in auctions, they take the money that you own, all the expences of the procedure and they give you the rest. I have not read the contract, but I think that the same way has been regulated the situation of the club. If it would be as you say, it would be a situation when we get "unbiased enrichment" and "damage beyond measure".

BTW the bank will never own your home, it will just get the right to sell it, but never become an owner smile.gif I don't have much time to explain and my english is not in proper levlel.

EDIT: I forgot to mention, when an international transaction takes place, usually they have clauses in contracts that determine what court is competent to hear the case if any of the party doesn't fulfill their obligation. Usually they are arbitration courts that regulate their procedure by the rules contracted and not some law of any country. As the principle says "contract is the law for parties".

Got it, I'm not really into the financial mumbo-jumbo of it all. I just know that here, the bank will repossess whatever you guaranteed when the loan was made, don't know the actual technicalities of it. Thanks for explaining, and glad you're back btw

Yeah, heard the Panucci rumours. The management should really make sure to bring back more past players who have a great history with us into the fold, we need to keep our identity as much as possible

Rino has already said he'd be interested, also, how's Sheva doing with that political career? If it's not going well he'd be a great guy to rope in, especially for Eastern European connections. Also, what's Leonardo doing these days? I'd love to have him back in his old role, he was great at attracting SA talents

Posted by: d'Arc.LP Apr 28 2017, 08:01 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Apr 28 2017, 09:50 PM) *
Got it, I'm not really into the financial mumbo-jumbo of it all. I just know that here, the bank will repossess whatever you guaranteed when the loan was made, don't know the actual technicalities of it. Thanks for explaining, and glad you're back btw


Thanks smile.gif

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Apr 30 2017, 12:24 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Apr 29 2017, 02:20 AM) *
Got it, I'm not really into the financial mumbo-jumbo of it all. I just know that here, the bank will repossess whatever you guaranteed when the loan was made, don't know the actual technicalities of it. Thanks for explaining, and glad you're back btw

Yeah, heard the Panucci rumours. The management should really make sure to bring back more past players who have a great history with us into the fold, we need to keep our identity as much as possible

Rino has already said he'd be interested, also, how's Sheva doing with that political career? If it's not going well he'd be a great guy to rope in, especially for Eastern European connections. Also, what's Leonardo doing these days? I'd love to have him back in his old role, he was great at attracting SA talents


I don't think Sheva is doing much politics. He's the manager of the Ukraine football team. It's Kakha Kaldaze who's into politics and apparently he's doing quite well.

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