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post Jul 26 2014, 04:54 PM
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QUOTE (milanbuf88 @ Jul 26 2014, 04:19 PM) *
His defensive work and lack of goals the second half are a completely different discussion. My original point is that his play through December was critical to our achieving 3rd that year and was worth more than the 15m we payed for him. Like han said, without his goals during the first half we wouldn't be in a position to make that second half run. We got third by 2 points that year. Without El Shaarawy's goals we have 12 fewer points through December and the exact same run of form in the second half gets us into 8th not 3rd.


Yep, plus the fact that he's a great prospect..but whatever. A young PROMISING player goes through a patch of bad form or injuries..and suddenly he's tagged with "average", "not worthy" etc. etc.
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post Jul 26 2014, 10:30 PM
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QUOTE (William405 @ Jul 26 2014, 03:54 PM) *
Yep, plus the fact that he's a great prospect..but whatever. A young PROMISING player goes through a patch of bad form or injuries..and suddenly he's tagged with "average", "not worthy" etc. etc.


tbh his bad patch has lasted 3 years. His good spell lasted 4 months.

Wonder how much longer we'll see him as this 'young promising player'. Poor f*cker will be 30 and still being called 'one for the future'!
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post Jul 27 2014, 12:25 AM
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Apparently we turned down an offer from Trapzonspor for Constant because we considered it too small.

Source: Mediaset

Wow, there are actually clubs willing to spend money for this dud and we're turning them down? Wow, wow, wow...
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post Jul 27 2014, 12:38 AM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Jul 26 2014, 06:30 PM) *
tbh his bad patch has lasted 3 years. His good spell lasted 4 months.

Wonder how much longer we'll see him as this 'young promising player'. Poor f*cker will be 30 and still being called 'one for the future'!


SES is 21. Come back and collect on your "I told you so" in 9 years. We'll all bow down to your prescience.
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post Jul 27 2014, 01:17 AM
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QUOTE (milanbuf88 @ Jul 26 2014, 11:38 PM) *
SES is 21. Come back and collect on your "I told you so" in 9 years. We'll all bow down to your prescience.


'Told you so' doesn't work around here. You just get 'yeah but' in reply.

PS: I really REALLY want to be wrong, I want you guys to be right. I don't want SES to be a failure, but he's going the same way as Pato right now.
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post Jul 27 2014, 02:11 AM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jul 25 2014, 03:59 PM) *
The main problem is the management that alienated some very useful and potentially important insiders like Maldini, Costacurta, now Seedorf, Boban, etc. Those guys have Milan in their blood and they should be part of our project.

And here we come to the conclusion - we do not have a true project. Capello said it when he rejected us some time ago.


I agree with you in that we need some influence within the club that we can relate to. But sometimes those do not have the credentials nor the experience to be handling such a task. Add to that the harmony to co-exist with figures like Galliani and Berlusconi who have a hands on approach.

I would like to see a new owner at the club, frankly speaking just bored of all this moaning about where we are and the poor management. Let a new face come in and bring in all those past players that we relate to in terms of image and representation. New blood, and have a spin-off see where that takes us.

Capello made his name at Milan, and with Milan's money. When all the money is gone, you reckon Capello will coach Milan or Madrid? Of course Madrid, and that goes to Carlo Ancelotti too. Project these days mean PSG, City, Chelsea, Monaco, you get the drift.

For me its a cycle, one we are forced into just like all the other Serie A sides. I wouldn't say we are all equal, because as of now, the sides that have CL football have the upper hand. But we are equal in the sense that we share the same sovereign football issues, legacies such as stadiums, TV income, Taxes. To build a new stadium will take at least three years, and costs exceeding 300M (noting Milan had an aggregate loss of 160M from 2010-2013). To increase TV income you have to have more demand for Serie A Calcio 'worldwide'. To reduce Taxes, the Italian economy as a whole has to recover. Just to name the obvious issues of legacy.

Its a monuments task, one that the club might not be able to hurdle past as it all depends on 'external forces'.

But what the club can do, invest in youth. Takes time, you produce maybe one each season maybe two, or you produce one in three seasons fit to play for the first team. Depends on the player and his adaptability to such a high level game. We are seeing the results with young Italian players coming through to the first team. Our youth has not produced a new Maldini as of yet, but it is producing players like Abate DS Mastour as of-date. Though I wouldn't say Mastour is 100% ready to play first team. Then since you have this inconvenience of having to wait for your eggs to 'hatch', you fill in the holes but having a cheap (freebie) alternative. Ofcourse, the better players are all expensive, Milan can not afford to increase the wage bill by locking horns with clubs like PSG, City, Madrid or United - who are all ready to pay top dollar for the next Messi or a good bench warmer (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) . Add to that we don't have European TV income this year, hence we cant compete with other teams who have that privilege to offer and extra $$$.

The issue is that we have always been a 'sugar daddy' club, where Silvio gave the fans the best teams, over paying excessively with 70-90M in losses per year (only in recent times was an effort made to reduce that to comply with FFP). 70M and 80M in losses per year have to come from somewhere! It wont disappear next year, and it was the sugar daddy that kept the show going. All the names you mentioned above have seen Milan's blessed years. Unfortunately some forum members only caught on to Milan recently and thus have a short experience of what it was like, to be the Madrid of our times.

This is not a direct response to you Pippo, just a small rant (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Jul 27 2014, 05:00 AM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Jul 27 2014, 12:30 AM) *
tbh his bad patch has lasted 3 years. His good spell lasted 4 months.

Wonder how much longer we'll see him as this 'young promising player'. Poor f*cker will be 30 and still being called 'one for the future'!


3 years? I don't get your calculations? Are you putting the time where he was barely featured, and still pretty raw in your calculations? 1 year, or 1 year and a half I can understand..

No, thanks..I'll give him my support until he shows ON THE FIELD that he doesn't deserve it. He's always given more than 100 percent for Milan.
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post Jul 27 2014, 05:04 AM
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@Rosso: Why isn't it a cycle for Madrid though? Each year, they keep on spending, and spending. Their revenue must be huge compared to us..top clubs get top revenue..and the money we're not spending to get that status..we're sorely losing as TV money etc. etc.
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post Jul 27 2014, 05:05 AM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 27 2014, 02:25 AM) *
Apparently we turned down an offer from Trapzonspor for Constant because we considered it too small.

Source: Mediaset

Wow, there are actually clubs willing to spend money for this dud and we're turning them down? Wow, wow, wow...


Hahaha, you're kidding me. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Jul 27 2014, 09:42 AM
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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jul 26 2014, 08:11 PM) *
I agree with you in that we need some influence within the club that we can relate to. But sometimes those do not have the credentials nor the experience to be handling such a task. Add to that the harmony to co-exist with figures like Galliani and Berlusconi who have a hands on approach.

I would like to see a new owner at the club, frankly speaking just bored of all this moaning about where we are and the poor management. Let a new face come in and bring in all those past players that we relate to in terms of image and representation. New blood, and have a spin-off see where that takes us.

Capello made his name at Milan, and with Milan's money. When all the money is gone, you reckon Capello will coach Milan or Madrid? Of course Madrid, and that goes to Carlo Ancelotti too. Project these days mean PSG, City, Chelsea, Monaco, you get the drift.

For me its a cycle, one we are forced into just like all the other Serie A sides. I wouldn't say we are all equal, because as of now, the sides that have CL football have the upper hand. But we are equal in the sense that we share the same sovereign football issues, legacies such as stadiums, TV income, Taxes. To build a new stadium will take at least three years, and costs exceeding 300M (noting Milan had an aggregate loss of 160M from 2010-2013). To increase TV income you have to have more demand for Serie A Calcio 'worldwide'. To reduce Taxes, the Italian economy as a whole has to recover. Just to name the obvious issues of legacy.

Its a monuments task, one that the club might not be able to hurdle past as it all depends on 'external forces'.

But what the club can do, invest in youth. Takes time, you produce maybe one each season maybe two, or you produce one in three seasons fit to play for the first team. Depends on the player and his adaptability to such a high level game. We are seeing the results with young Italian players coming through to the first team. Our youth has not produced a new Maldini as of yet, but it is producing players like Abate DS Mastour as of-date. Though I wouldn't say Mastour is 100% ready to play first team. Then since you have this inconvenience of having to wait for your eggs to 'hatch', you fill in the holes but having a cheap (freebie) alternative. Ofcourse, the better players are all expensive, Milan can not afford to increase the wage bill by locking horns with clubs like PSG, City, Madrid or United - who are all ready to pay top dollar for the next Messi or a good bench warmer (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) . Add to that we don't have European TV income this year, hence we cant compete with other teams who have that privilege to offer and extra $$$.

The issue is that we have always been a 'sugar daddy' club, where Silvio gave the fans the best teams, over paying excessively with 70-90M in losses per year (only in recent times was an effort made to reduce that to comply with FFP). 70M and 80M in losses per year have to come from somewhere! It wont disappear next year, and it was the sugar daddy that kept the show going. All the names you mentioned above have seen Milan's blessed years. Unfortunately some forum members only caught on to Milan recently and thus have a short experience of what it was like, to be the Madrid of our times.

This is not a direct response to you Pippo, just a small rant (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)


You're right. But that all comes at a cost. I see Milan at a crossroad.

Silvio sticks on the road he is on now, self sustainment or he sells the club. (i dont think investing is on the table anymore, if his kids are smart and they are they will do everything in their power to make sure he doesn't take 1 cent out of their inheritance.)


If we choose self sustainment, the consequences are as follows:

-our image is gone, we will move to midtable status for a while until our academy starts producing worthy players and we get lucky with a few good signings (young prospects).
-We will lose probably half our fan base and the majority of our sponsorship. Our Revenue will take radical hit, the majority of our players will leave and will be replaced with even lower quality players. The fans that remain and they will be mostly local ones will either choose to support the team or abandon it. The second one will turn us into leeds.

the positives are that we don't need a silvio for Milan to exist. we will always be around, no bankruptcy.


If we choose to sell, which I believe is what we are on the course of doing. I think thats what Silvio's children want. They just want to get a good enough Return on Investment to cover some of the losses and the debt finivest has.


-consequences, we will be a sell out club. Serie A will either adapt or crumble. I think with whats happening they will most likely adapt. If the new owner ever gets sick of milan, we are f*cked. No garantee that the new owner will splash either.


positives: We will have new management, fresh ideas and a new approach to things. Possibly could make a serious fight back to the top. Fan base could grow, etc etc..





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post Jul 27 2014, 09:54 AM
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QUOTE (William405 @ Jul 27 2014, 08:04 AM) *
@Rosso: Why isn't it a cycle for Madrid though? Each year, they keep on spending, and spending. Their revenue must be huge compared to us..top clubs get top revenue..and the money we're not spending to get that status..we're sorely losing as TV money etc. etc.


Global demand for Madrid/Barcelona is much higher than for a Serie A team. Madrid's Revenue is the highest among all football clubs worldwide.

They have a revenue of 520M as of 2013, with Net profit of 37M.

We have 278M as of 2013, with Net Loss of 15.7M.


And this has always been the case, noting Silvio funded the difference between Milan and Madrid, to make the stellar teams he did. It really is that simple.

Why? Well, not many around the world share our passion for Milan. Madrid vs Barca is more exciting than Milan vs inter. United vs Liverpool/City is a sold out fixture, while Milan vs Juventus has at best 70% occupancy. etc etc.
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 27 2014, 12:25 AM) *
Apparently we turned down an offer from Trapzonspor for Constant because we considered it too small.

Source: Mediaset

Wow, there are actually clubs willing to spend money for this dud and we're turning them down? Wow, wow, wow...

Oh my... This reeks of Galliani. When is the fact that he's gone off the deep end going to register with Silvio?
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post Jul 27 2014, 10:28 AM
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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jul 27 2014, 03:54 AM) *
Global demand for Madrid/Barcelona is much higher than for a Serie A team. Madrid's Revenue is the highest among all football clubs worldwide.

They have a revenue of 520M as of 2013, with Net profit of 37M.

We have 278M as of 2013, with Net Loss of 15.7M.


And this has always been the case, noting Silvio funded the difference between Milan and Madrid, to make the stellar teams he did. It really is that simple.

Why? Well, not many around the world share our passion for Milan. Madrid vs Barca is more exciting than Milan vs inter. United vs Liverpool/City is a sold out fixture, while Milan vs Juventus has at best 70% occupancy. etc etc.


Harsh realities (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

Just curious R7, if you were in Galliani's shoes, what would be the first thing you would implement do? What would be your 1/3/5 year goals. You've been a fan much longer than I have, so you've seen the ups and downs, the cycles much better than I have.

1) is there hope? Is it going to change? 2) Any positives to take from our management so far?
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post Jul 27 2014, 10:32 AM
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QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jul 27 2014, 10:28 AM) *
Harsh realities (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

Just curious R7, if you were in Galliani's shoes, what would be the first thing you would implement do? What would be your 1/3/5 year goals. You've been a fan much longer than I have, so you've seen the ups and downs, the cycles much better than I have.

1) is there hope? Is it going to change? 2) Any positives to take from our management so far?

If R7 was in Galliani's place I'm pretty sure we wouldn't see the financial atrocities that we're seeing now, because no matter how much R7 tries to defend him, he knows that there are some things that Galliani has done over this past decade which are just inexcusable.
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Abbiati: "If we can finish in top 3 this season? No. It's already a vast improvement if we start the season better than in the last 2 ones."


At least someone in this club has his brain screwed on right and doesn't live in LaLa Land
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