[whoarethepatriot...]

Yup, the 2nd best Gkeeper in Serie A (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Oh c'mon, Julio Cesar isnt that good

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[Rossoneri7]

Oh c'mon, Julio Cesar isnt that good

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[amancik]

yep, we knew it was gonna take something special against Buffon

[milanista1899]

I don't think we were deprived of a blatantly obvious foul or something.

I meant that it's not the fear of risk that keeps Ancelotti from utilizing wingers... I believe he just doesn't like the way they move on the field and stuff. I prefer playing with fullbacks too. But right now our wings are uncovered which means Oddo and whoever plays on the left have to defend for 90 minutes with very few chances of advancing. Add that to the fact that we play with 2 DMF's who can't pass the ball or keep it on their feet and that Seedorf is motivationally as dry as it gets and the curse of the San Siro is solved... we don't need no exorcist!

At the time there was a roar from the crowd, after I saw the replay it was a blatant foul. This is where we disagree but that's fine (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Although it would've had to have been a good spot by the ref.

Ok. I think the wings are always uncovered the way we play it isn't just now, surely if we played with wingers they wouldn't be. Yea they can't get forward enough which is another disadvantage of wing-backs.

[milanista1899]

Simply because when you play 4-3-3 [with two wingers and one central striker] you can no longer go out and play with your defensive 4-3-2-1 formation

in which your +30 full backs always have to run across the length of the pitch without doing anything positive [how many times have Oddo assisted our strikers with his crosses? almost never! right?].

Carlo is surely a successful coach but in my opinion not a master tactician. the way he's playing right now is clearly not responding but he doesn't even dare to try another ways, he's stuck to his Christmas tree.
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They can form a deadly duo "if" Ronaldo succeeds in staying fit...

4-3-3 isn't playing with wingers but wing-backs as we do now. 4-3-3 & 4-3-2-1 are very similar, even in a 4-3-3 the attackers come back a bit sometimes to help out the midfield.

So you agree with me, that's pretty much what I said.

Totally agree, this is why I think he should try a 3-4-1-2. Besides it worked for Juve when they won the scudetto (even if they didn't keep it for long (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) )

Agreed. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Or even a trident with the new Pallone d'oro (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif) PaRonKa?

This post has been edited by milanista1899: Dec 3 2007, 09:24 AM

[dst]

Ok. I think the wings are always uncovered the way we play it isn't just now, surely if we played with wingers they wouldn't be. Yea they can't get forward enough which is another disadvantage of wing-backs.

The never used to be uncovered... do you remember them being under so much pressure? it is just now that Seedorf is not trying at all to cover any spaces and even if we play with 2 DMF's neither of them helps the fullbacks except when Gattuso rarely does...

[Jack Sparrow]

I don't think dst, that Seedorf is playing in the exact same position he used to. He's playing far more advanced.

The Golden Milan with Sheva, used a 4-3-1-2 or a 4-1-2-1-2. In both cases Seedorf played far more withdrawn than he used to.

Somewhere in between Andy and Kaka/Rui. Now he has to play virtually alongside Kaka, in out twin trequartista formation. I'm not surprised he can't cover much space.

But you do have a point, technically this is why Carlo plays two DMs. In theory they should cover the fullbacks. But then when Andy P gets man marked by leeches, then Ambro is faced with the task of giving an added creative impetus (he's not the best for it (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) ), and that's exposing a flaw. That Rino's no the Incredible Hulk he used to be (at least this season) is also a factor.

Of course the above issue wouldn't be a problem, if our fullbacks were Gods.

We have Oddo whom I totally love after the Man U match. But it's no secret he's overworked like a mule in a farm. His crosses and runs are going to suffer. Janku is injured, even when he's not, as much as I love the way he pounds up, he's not got that peripheral vision when he's up the pitch to clamber back down in time to stop them exploiting the gap he leaves. I always find Janku in a position where he has to get into the tackle from behind the attacking player.

We need Zambrotta. I'd also need Ballack. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

[milanista1899]

The never used to be uncovered... do you remember them being under so much pressure? it is just now that Seedorf is not trying at all to cover any spaces and even if we play with 2 DMF's neither of them helps the fullbacks except when Gattuso rarely does...

I always remember the defense being under pressure, the wing-backs getting caught so that there were only the 2 central defenders back. You're right about Seedorf, I don't like where he plays now I think he was better with Pirlo & Gattuso. Maybe the reason he plays with Kaka is so Ambro can play too, as he's been fit this season unlike others. I think Rino used to help out the full-backs too but generally he hasn't been as good this season so far.

This post has been edited by milanista1899: Dec 4 2007, 08:12 AM

[milanista1899]

I don't think dst, that Seedorf is playing in the exact same position he used to. He's playing far more advanced.

The Golden Milan with Sheva, used a 4-3-1-2 or a 4-1-2-1-2. In both cases Seedorf played far more withdrawn than he used to.

Somewhere in between Andy and Kaka/Rui. Now he has to play virtually alongside Kaka, in out twin trequartista formation. I'm not surprised he can't cover much space.

But you do have a point, technically this is why Carlo plays two DMs. In theory they should cover the fullbacks. But then when Andy P gets man marked by leeches, then Ambro is faced with the task of giving an added creative impetus (he's not the best for it (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) ), and that's exposing a flaw. That Rino's no the Incredible Hulk he used to be (at least this season) is also a factor.

Of course the above issue wouldn't be a problem, if our fullbacks were Gods.

We have Oddo whom I totally love after the Man U match. But it's no secret he's overworked like a mule in a farm. His crosses and runs are going to suffer. Janku is injured, even when he's not, as much as I love the way he pounds up, he's not got that peripheral vision when he's up the pitch to clamber back down in time to stop them exploiting the gap he leaves. I always find Janku in  a position where he has to get into the tackle from behind the attacking player.

We need Zambrotta. I'd also need Ballack. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Very good post (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif)

Why would you want Ballack though, where would he play & instead of who? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

[Jack Sparrow]

Heh..I want Ballack as remuneration for over a year spent in milanfan.com discussing tactics and standing up for Carlo and Gila and whoever is the next lost cause cropping up in the team. What??!! a wierd bald headed kid from Oz says he'll strip and run down Sydney, and Galliani's happy to buy him Ronaldo...why can't I get what I want!!! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/realmad.gif)

But well, I just thought that the 4-3-2-1 would work much better if Ballack were put in place of either Rino or Ambro. We could technically play a sort of holdive (holding+ creative) double pivot. Ballack is physically strong and I rate his defensive skills rather high. He is also a very good attacking player and a great passer. An excellent box to box player.

The opposition's tactic of man marking Pirlo would no longer work, because Ballack would completely negate whatever advantage they would gain, since he can offer much more than Ambro in terms of creativity, while at the same time being a much better defender than our only other central midfield creative option-->Yoann.

Also takes some stress of Rino. Right now Rino goes into a tackle wins the ball, and when finding someone creative to pass to , (usually it's always Pirlo), sees that Pirlo is being suffocated. He has to give it over to Ambro. His only options are otherwise to lay it off to an overlapping Oddo, who's too dog tired to be there for Rino. So Rino either ends up passing to Ambro, who's too far away, resulting in a bad pass (Rino is not the best passer), or has to play it back to our defence in a bid to keep hold of possession. Hence we get stuck in our half, and Kaka-Seedorf has to drop deep leaving Gila isolated

If Ballack were there, he'd be one more option for Rino, and one more headache for man marking opposition teams.

So our line-up would be

<Usual Defence>
-------------Rino----------
-----Ballack-------Andy-------
---------Kaka---Seedorf--
--------------Gila--------

I say Ballack, coz he's the first proven holding+creative MF I can think of. There's Xabi Alonso, but he's Spanish, he's Scouse and he's too young. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Of course, LaPalma would have added reason to cheer for Ballack.

Me I just like uber cool Germans, who look like Matt Damon. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Thinking about it, with Ambro playing so well last season, and consistently fit, there was not much reason to chase Emerson, esp if we intended to keep Brocchi. I've missed something with this transfer.

[Rossoneri7]

Thinking about it, with Ambro playing so well last season, and consistently fit, there was not much reason to chase Emerson, esp if we intended to keep Brocchi. I've missed something with this transfer.

I wouldn't say no to Ballack either !! And in that position (the one he used to play in for Leverkusen..) he'd be a monster of a player (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Emerson is the player Carlo wanted. He always wanted Emerson .. Why exactly ? We have yet to see (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

[Jack Sparrow]

^^^

Exactly....Ballack in the Leverkusen position, was when I first saw this guy. At that time though, I wanted him to go to Arsenal. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Now I'd rather have him here. I like quiet soft spoken, silky mid-fielders.

I guess you're right about Emerson. We haven't seen him enough to know what he's here for.