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Posted by: han2503 Jul 23 2013, 08:08 AM

A bit late but better that then never

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 24 2013, 02:24 AM

Our season has not started yet, but as of now Juve, Napoli and Fiorentina have strong squads. Hopefully dumbdumb has the winning cards close to his cheats .. and before the window closes we reinforce and challenge for the championship.

I doubt our season start will be worse than last year, yet I doubt we can make a top three finish with such aggressive teams competing for the idiots podium finish.

In short, we don't know how this will pan out till the idiot brings our secret plans to light.

Posted by: acid911 Jul 24 2013, 04:15 AM

If he has any, that is.

Posted by: X-Offender Jul 29 2013, 06:00 PM

The Serie A schedule for next season is being drawn right now.

Posted by: han2503 Jul 29 2013, 06:29 PM

Napoli on day 4...

If we start like we did last season expect an epic trashing

Posted by: Jack Bauer Jul 29 2013, 07:29 PM

1° giornata: Hellas Verona-Milan
2° giornata: Milan-Cagliari
3° giornata: Torino-Milan
4° giornata: Milan-Napoli
5° giornata: Bologna-Milan
6° giornata: Milan-Sampdoria
7° giornata: Juventus-Milan
8° giornata: Milan-Udinese
9° giornata: Parma-Milan
10° giornata: Milan-Lazio
11° giornata: Milan-Fiorentina
12° giornata: Chievo Verona-Milan
13° giornata: Milan-Genoa
14° giornata: Catania-Milan
15° giornata: Livorno-Milan
16° giornata: Milan-Roma
17° giornata: Inter-Milan
18° giornata: Milan-Atalanta
19° giornata: Sassuolo-Milan

Posted by: X-Offender Jul 29 2013, 07:46 PM

^ Looks good. And final game at home against Sassuolo might be a huge bonus.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 29 2013, 09:48 PM

Reina to Napoli on loan. Napoli are far too good for him, he's been shocking for years now.

Posted by: X-Offender Jul 29 2013, 10:01 PM

Looks like Benitez played 4-2-3-1 in Napoli's 3-1 win against Galatasaray tonight.

Rafael; Mesto, Cannavaro, Britos, Armero; Dzemaili, Behrami; Insigne, Hamsik, Callejon; Pandev

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 30 2013, 01:54 AM

This upcoming season excites me. There is a lot of competition and the heat will be on from day one. I hope that with Napoli and Fiorentina, strengthening I hope to see that translate into better coefficients in Europe. While domestically, they all want a CL birth, and it is there that we will have one of the toughest seasons.

I trust this serves to lure more viewers to Serie A again.

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Jul 30 2013, 05:24 AM

+1

... on paper Roma also looks like they have something to offer!

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 3 2013, 11:31 AM

It all depends on whether they decide to actually care about the Europa League or squander it like a typical Italian team alla Udinese.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 4 2013, 10:06 AM

Seems like Fiorentina is likely to sign Julio Cesar as well. Good God, they're gonna be good. Really good.

Posted by: han2503 Aug 4 2013, 11:15 AM

They still have the issue of central defence imo

Also, the contracts they are giving these players can't be for peanuts, is it really sustainable for them in the long run?

Personally I can't see them being a constant CL presence, which is what's needed in order to fund this project of theirs

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Aug 4 2013, 12:38 PM

+1

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 4 2013, 01:51 PM

Juve lost 3-1 to LA Galaxy last night. Their pre-season has been far from convincing so far.

Posted by: William405 Aug 4 2013, 02:10 PM

Pretty cool.

Posted by: han2503 Aug 4 2013, 02:53 PM

Doesn't really mean anything imo, I think they'll hit the ground running in the league.

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 4 2013, 11:09 PM

Valencia 4-0 Inter

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Aug 5 2013, 01:55 AM

Friendlies are usually where coaches test out different players and formations. Inevitably you want to win, but that is not the essential reason why you play friendlies ... Agreed, they will be even stronger nextvseason once the new players 'click'

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Aug 6 2013, 09:47 PM

WTF happened?!? he was one of the top rated prospects 4-5 years ago...

Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 6 2013, 09:49 PM

Posted by: Jack Bauer Aug 17 2013, 01:33 AM

http://www.football-italia.net/38425/report-astori-napoli

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 17 2013, 10:49 AM

Talk about wasting money on the wrong players... They could have signed a quality CB for those money.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 17 2013, 11:06 AM

I don't think there are many of them on the market anyway.

Posted by: han2503 Aug 17 2013, 11:18 AM

Sakho will be leaving PSG for round about the same amount.

I don't think Sakho is World Class or even that great but he's better than Astori, sure Astori is Serie A proven but he's not worth that much. Napoli have basically over-paid for every player they bought this summer

Posted by: han2503 Aug 18 2013, 09:20 PM

The defending from Lazio is actually comical now, 3 goals in 5 minutes

Posted by: Zed.D Aug 18 2013, 09:48 PM

And the pitch is awful. you can tell how much when you switch to RM-Betis...

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 20 2013, 11:46 PM

Just found on wikipedia a rather interesting fact:

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Aug 21 2013, 06:02 AM

5 derbies hmmm .. Talk about competition!

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Aug 21 2013, 06:21 PM

Add that to the potential parity that's settling in amongst the second-tier teams and this season promises to be, despite milan's contractionary tendencies, quite a fine one

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 21 2013, 11:15 PM

The problem is, I think everyone will be overrun by Juventus once again.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 22 2013, 02:15 AM

Napoli have a good team, but I think there's too many changes to the squad for them to be consistant this season. Maybe next season.

Posted by: han2503 Aug 22 2013, 09:25 AM

I thought Lazio were the better team in the first half and were unfortunate to be a goal down, but they completely blacked out in that second half, all 3 goals were just plain childish. Juve were pretty bad in the first half actually. Pirlo is starting to wain a lot, which is a problem for them.

But yeah, at the end of the day, they'll win the league easily


I have a feeling that they'll be a right old mess at the start of the season. They just have a terribly unbalanced team imo.

I'm just hoping we don't have another slow start like we've had basically every season because from the top sides, we're the only team (Juve aside) that are the most stable; same coach, same group of players with only a couple of tweaks here and there. I think we can do well this year, especially if we sign a couple of the players we're linked to

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 22 2013, 02:19 PM

Did anyone know that Strootman is wearing #6 at Roma, which was retired in honor of Aldair?

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 22 2013, 04:12 PM

Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 22 2013, 04:29 PM

Unfortunately that "if" falls into the same category as "If pigs could fly..."

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 22 2013, 05:21 PM

Aye, my reaction. Apparently he kindly asked for it during an interview on Roma Channel.

Posted by: KillerMax Aug 22 2013, 07:28 PM

How stupid is that? Both from the player and the club to grant his wish.

Posted by: han2503 Aug 22 2013, 09:06 PM

We'll see. This is what ADV said tonight before the Fiorentina game




I think Ljajic is a very realistic transfer, same for Honda, the only thing left would then be a really good CB. The French papers keep insisting that Milan will most likely sign Sakho, personally I'm not convinced that we will but there has to be something going on behind the scenes to spark such rumours, not to mention he's on his final year which is the Galliani window of opportunity

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Aug 23 2013, 01:27 AM

These transfers and others we know nothing about are all subject to Milan qualifying. A huge factor in potential transfers is CL football. I am inclined to believe there is a plan B in case we don't make it .. unsure how that might turn out.

Posted by: han2503 Aug 23 2013, 08:38 AM

Yeah agreed, I'm personally not expecting anything to happen before the 28th.

Which is why Amelia is still here even after signing Coppola, why Antonini is still here even though there has been a lot of interest from Turkey, why Galliani has been so quiet, etc

I think right now we're completely in neutral waiting to see if we qualify, after that. If things are positive I think we'll see movement both incoming and outgoing, if we don't qualify, it will be a financial disaster for us and personally the only transfers I see a happening in that case is Antonini, Amelia, Traore out and MAYBE Honda or Ljajic in. Nothing else

Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 24 2013, 09:50 PM

Juve's away shirts are a thing of beauty.

Posted by: han2503 Aug 24 2013, 11:02 PM

Already 3 points behind Juve and probably half of Serie A by Monday. Great stuff!!

Posted by: KillerMax Aug 25 2013, 10:21 PM

Napoli looked very, very good today.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 25 2013, 11:37 PM

Yeah. Everyone except the good old Milan made a strong start. Terrific.

Posted by: KillerMax Aug 26 2013, 08:30 PM

Gomez miss

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Aug 28 2013, 04:22 AM

Posted by: acid911 Aug 28 2013, 05:26 AM

Oh dear, where is Galliani going to find the extra €5,000. That's it, our transfer market is ruined. Ended before it even begun. Thanks a lot, FIGC, your corrupt lot.

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 31 2013, 05:48 PM

Man, we should have kept Paloschi till Pazzini got back. Two goals against Napoli so far, the second one was brilliant.

Posted by: William405 Aug 31 2013, 06:05 PM

Reina is terrible though ...the whole Napoli back line to be honest.

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 31 2013, 06:31 PM

Yeah, but their attack makes up for it.

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Aug 31 2013, 06:57 PM

+1

Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 31 2013, 07:16 PM

Not that I think MDS is anything special, but what a huge downgrade at goalkeeper.

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 31 2013, 08:04 PM

Juve are too good, and Pogba will become world class. I read an article sometime ago that we could have signed him when he was still at ManU, but we chose instead to go for... *drum roll* ... Traoré!!!

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Aug 31 2013, 08:07 PM

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 31 2013, 08:12 PM

No need to be surprised. This management has gone completely senile. Like I said, we are being run by monkeys.

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 31 2013, 08:14 PM

Brace for Vidal.

Posted by: Jack Bauer Aug 31 2013, 08:16 PM

Too easy. You can give them the title already.

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 31 2013, 08:20 PM

Yeah, they'll win it no problem. The gap with the other teams is too big.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 31 2013, 08:22 PM

The difference between their midfield and ours is embarrassing. They have a world class creator plus 2 guys full of running and that ability to get in the box. We have a bunch of static players who can't actually run.

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 31 2013, 08:55 PM

Bonucci with two great assists tonight.

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Aug 31 2013, 09:12 PM

Hernanes has gotten a red for an attempted hand of God.

Smfh - Well this game is over!

...switches off tv, walks away.

Posted by: han2503 Aug 31 2013, 10:24 PM

They'll have this wrapped up by January

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 1 2013, 01:28 AM

It pisses me off how all of their players are basically perfect for the way they play. Bonucci is the most limited of their 3 CBs, so he plays the lesser role of sweeper - this is also plays to his strengths as he has a pretty good range of passing for a CB.

Compare that to us where we just have 11 random players with no chemistry, no gameplan. Just thrown together on the field.

Posted by: KillerMax Sep 1 2013, 02:31 AM

Allegri plays the perfect system for the players we have. That's what's so good about it. Emanuelson as AM, Constant as LB, Boateng and Niang as Wingers.... Bojan as a CF... Poli as RB... He is the best, wouldn't you agree?

Posted by: servbot Sep 1 2013, 04:32 AM

It's not like it's the coach's responsibility to play a system that is tailored to the players' strengths and shield them from their weaknesses. Oh wait...

Posted by: han2503 Sep 1 2013, 08:46 AM

Yep


Agreed

Kurt, the only thing frustrating about Juve is that they have a top class coach, which imo is on the same level as Mourinho imo.

He took a team that finished 7th and made them Scudetto winners even when they had a very average squad. Now they have the best squad in the league simply because Conte made them so great and their appeal as a Club has returned 10-fold. Moratta before Conte came was spending 11m on Martinez from Catania now they're buying Pogba and Tevez for basically nothing while we fund their moves by taking their excess baggage

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 1 2013, 10:10 AM

Wow! I remember the time when you weren't so full of praise in regard to Conte. Well, all in all Juventus are again a very good team. They have funds with FIAT and the Agnelli's, they have a serious dynasty, a new stadium (which makes the club more self-sustainable), a great coach and a great team. Only one WC midfielder missing to make them top.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 1 2013, 10:57 AM

Really? Pirlo and Vidal are WC, Pogba will certainly become one and Marchisio is great. I'd say they need a WC defender more than anything.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 1 2013, 11:09 AM

They still miss the classic AM or SS, like Del Piero - someone who links up the midfield and attack, who can do everything alone or push someone with his brilliance into a chance.

Vidal and Marchisio are very good, not WC if you ask me. Especially the latter.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 1 2013, 11:24 AM

He's always rubbed me the wrong way, but as a tactician I've been singing him praises for over a year now. And his team that won the first Scudetto was pretty average aside from the midfield trio. But yes, in these last 2 summers they've built a team that is indisputably the best in the league

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 1 2013, 01:14 PM

Yeah, but with the system they play they don't need an AM. And they've got Vucinic and Tevez in attack which is a really, really good pairing. And as for Vidal, he's one of the best midfielders in the world right now, top 5 material.

Posted by: dst Sep 1 2013, 01:52 PM

How? Mourinho has won so much more.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 1 2013, 02:01 PM

Tactically speaking he's at the same level as Mourinho imo. No he hasn't won as much but if he was given a team that are of the calibre that Mourinho has had plus the same amount of years (let's not forget this is only his 3rd season with a top flight team) he'd match him or at least get very close to him.

Plus he's a great man manager as well

I think it will be difficult for Juve to hold onto him beyond the next 2 years or so.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 1 2013, 02:19 PM

Who said it isn't? But if I gave you an egg, some carrots and a fish I couldn't exactly expect you to make a pizza. We have very limited players. There's only so much you can do with them and that's why IMO we have struggled against other top teams. The energy in Juve and Napoli's midfield is just too much for us.


I think that's a little OTT. If he'd have won the Champions League with that Juve team he took over that would be more comparable to Mourinho. The team he had in his first season with Juve was probably better than the Porto that won the CL anyway.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 1 2013, 05:01 PM

I think you're going OTT with your description of our team as well. Allegri has a good squad. Not Juve good but for Serie A it's still not the disaster you speak of. Allegri should be doing better with the team he has, especially in terms of how they perform week in week out.

As for the Mourinho comparison, I explained to dst about why I said that. I think in terms of tactical know-how he's on the same level as Mourinho and has man-management skills that rival Mourinho. No right now he hasn't got the silverware to back that up YET, but like I said, he's only been coaching a top flight team for 2 full seasons

Posted by: KillerMax Sep 1 2013, 06:30 PM

Lijajic scores on his debut. Roma winning 3-0 against Verona...

Posted by: han2503 Sep 1 2013, 06:39 PM

Roma have so much talent in their midfield it's ridiculous

Still think they'll underachieve as usual but it's still great to watch

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Sep 1 2013, 09:31 PM

Rossi has scored 2 today.

He now has 3 goals in 2 games since his return. Impressive considering how long he was out for!

Good news for Italy!!

Posted by: han2503 Sep 1 2013, 09:49 PM

We should have gone for him when we had the chance.

Such a talented guy, and he's a self-professed Milan fan as well

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 1 2013, 09:51 PM

Yeah, that's what comes to my mind every time I see he scored.

Posted by: Zed.D Sep 14 2013, 01:11 PM

Hilarious!

Posted by: William405 Sep 14 2013, 01:14 PM

Yeah, read that hahaha.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Sep 14 2013, 06:27 PM

inter-juve right now didnt even know that

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 14 2013, 06:51 PM

Juve with 2 late chances from Isla and Pogba. They just look so good it's sad.

Posted by: Zed.D Sep 14 2013, 06:53 PM

Inter 1-1 Juve FT.

Good chance to close in 2 points on them.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 14 2013, 07:22 PM

Vidal is just on another level. What a player.

Pirlo though is really looking bad as of late, some misplaced passes today, getting knocked off the ball a couple of times, he was the same way with Italy as well. I think his age is finally getting to him with all the games he's been playing on a consistent basis for Italy and Juve. He's basically looking like he did with us in his final 2 years or so. Still a class above everyone else we have on this team but he's really waning.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 14 2013, 07:27 PM

I think it's inevitable that either Barca or Madrid come in for him within the next few years.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 14 2013, 07:30 PM

Well that depends on how Juve do in Europe in said next few years. If they do well in the CL I see no reason for him wanting to move

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 14 2013, 07:32 PM

Indeed. I think Juventus are seriously planning on being top again, so selling him wouldn't be the right step.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 14 2013, 07:34 PM

I'm not sure if Juve will have the money to keep him around. I really think he's one of the best players in World football at the moment, complete monster in midfield.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 14 2013, 07:38 PM

We'll see, I don't think the money in terms of him as an individual is THAT much of an issue. Money to build a squad that is good enough to potentially win the CL is where the problem is imo. If they don't at least get close to it (final) then I'd think he'd want to move on

Posted by: servbot Sep 14 2013, 09:47 PM

lol...wtf?

football-italia

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 14 2013, 10:41 PM

Childish.

Posted by: acid911 Sep 15 2013, 08:08 AM

Very.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 15 2013, 02:31 PM

Fiorentina drew and have most likely lost Gomez and Cuadrado to injury.

Just emphasises the opportunity we lost yesterday

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 15 2013, 04:38 PM

What opportunity? It's just the third week of the season. We should actually worry about acquiring a gaming philosophy first than what our opponents are doing.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 15 2013, 05:06 PM

I was an opportunity to close the gap on sides who are already 3 points ahead of us.

Acquiring a gaming philosophy? We haven't acquired that in 3 years, doubt we'll get that in a few months.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 17 2013, 07:52 PM

Juve's depth is annoying. Awesome away shirts though.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 17 2013, 10:37 PM

What's so special about the shirts? They're just plain yellow

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 17 2013, 10:53 PM

Just classy looking IMO. I like the slight black/white trim on it.

It's like our aways some years, they're mostly just white but look brilliant.

Posted by: acid911 Sep 18 2013, 01:47 PM

Sometimes, han, yellow is all a grown up man needs.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 22 2013, 01:25 PM

Inter won 7-0 today

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 22 2013, 02:12 PM

Posted by: Jack Bauer Sep 22 2013, 04:04 PM

Roma finally beat Lazio in the derby (2-0) after few years, Ljajić was very good (earned and scored a penalty).

Tevez, another Galliani's summer flame, also scored today as Juve beat Verona 2-1.

Many CL contenders are looking good while we are a total mess.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 22 2013, 04:35 PM

Can't believe we missed out on Ljajic. That's going to be our biggest regret. Tevez in only going to be a spark for Juve, he's not a long term solution, but Ljajic is such an amazing young talent.

The only thing that p!sses me off about Tevez is that we basically funded his move to Juve when we supposedly couldn't afford him when we actually had the chance to get him.

This summer has been a total mess, whichever way you look at it.

Kaka and Poli were the only moves which were smart imo. Hopefully we haven't lost out on Honda as well

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Sep 26 2013, 08:16 PM

Gennaro Gattuso got fired as palermo coach.... wrong plaece to start one's career imo...

Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2013, 08:20 PM

Look at Inter, on the attack yet they're still not getting stupidly caught out on counters on the turn-overs

That's what a disciplined defence and midfield does, even when their FBs are in the opponent's side of the pitch

Posted by: Ry4n Sep 26 2013, 09:29 PM

2-1 to inter nearly the end of the match god damn it !

was nice to watch ambrosini !

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 26 2013, 09:35 PM

I'm personally a massive fan of a back 3, it allows for so much more flexibility.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Sep 26 2013, 11:34 PM

Well he could have done better with a stable club. Then again its experience I guess.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 26 2013, 11:56 PM

As much as I can't stand Inter, I just have to applaud them. They basically play with the same team as last year that ended ninth, just a different (and competent) coach seems to be making all the difference. Something to think about.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 27 2013, 08:49 AM

Meh, I personally am not a fan. I was reading the Juve forum a few weeks ago and they absolutely hate that Conte uses it.

I just think that for it to work, everything has to be perfect for it. The tactics, the players and most importantly the coach has to know how to implement it correctly. And imo, the only coaches who have done so successfully are Mazzari and Conte.

We tried it last season - it was a mess. Pandelli uses it at times for Italy with the SAME players who play it at Juve and 99% of the time it doesn't work


This

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 27 2013, 11:19 AM

Whenever I check on Juventuz they basically laugh at anyone who mentions a back 4.

*They don't have a left back.
*They need 3 in midfield, so a back 4 would mean 3 up front which they simply don't have the players for.
*Their best players can't be on the pitch together, or will be played out of position.

3 at the back requires very good defenders with good discipline, so yeah it wouldn't work at Milan.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 27 2013, 11:27 AM

They have Bonucci in their defence, not the best picture of discipline and "great"

And last time I was reading the Juventuz forum in the CL thread they were complaining about the 3-man defence system. Yes their argument is that if they us 4 at the back then their CMs wouldn't be able to fit into the side, but they're not happy with it, at least it's a split on how they want their team to play

A back 3 requires not just good defenders, but proper tactics. I already mentioned Italy as a great example, the same players that play in a 3-man backline for Juve deployed in the Azzurri line-up is usually one huge mess. So the coaching, tactics and drilling behind it are more important than the quality of the defenders.

Just look at Inter as a great example of this. Their only good defender is Ranocchia, and even he is prone to mistakes and idiotic moments.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 28 2013, 05:39 PM

Napoli already leading 2-0.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 28 2013, 07:03 PM

Bonucci is sweeper, he doesn't need to be an excellent defender, but he's a fantastic passer for a CB. It's why they need to play 3-5-2.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 28 2013, 07:40 PM

Imo, the reason they need to play that formation is because of their CMs. Too many great ones and you can't really leave any of them out.

Yes, Bonucci is a great passer, but everything else? He's an average defender at best. To switch to a back 4, he'd obviously be the ones to drop, as is the situation with Italy when they play with 4 at the back

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 28 2013, 07:58 PM

I think it's partly to do with their defense too though. Chiellini is not a left back, Asamoah isn't either. Are they going to start Peluso there? I think they're better sticking with a 3, regardless of their midfield.

Well I don't disagree with any of that.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 28 2013, 10:29 PM

Agreed on the LB bit. Oddly enough it's the only area where Juve don't really have an option it they did choose to go with a back 4.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 29 2013, 08:26 AM

Turin derby in 3 hours.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 29 2013, 08:59 AM

2-1 to Juve, they seem to like that score as of late and are seemingly conceding goals on a regular basis as well

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 29 2013, 03:07 PM

Tevez' open goal header before the goal...

Posted by: KillerMax Sep 29 2013, 03:34 PM

I seriously don't give a f@ck about this league anymore. F@ck this corrupt sport altogether in fact. Juventus are clearly cheating again and racking up wins with referee decisions. Milan somehow gets those last minute calls too once in a while but they just seem to lack the "influence" of Juve.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 29 2013, 03:41 PM

What happened? I didn't see anything especially weird today. About the biggest thing I felt the ref may have got wrong was only giving Immobile a yellow card, you can't dive in on someone from behind like that.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 29 2013, 03:50 PM

Apparently the Juve goal was offside, don't know what happened exactly, I didn't watch it

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 29 2013, 04:10 PM

Oh yeah, now you mention it I think they did say something like that after the game. I only saw one angle so can't have an opinion.

EDIT: Looking at the replay, the defender had his arms around Tevez' neck, then he was offside. So Juve's arguement against it would've probably been it should've been a penalty and probably a red card as well.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 29 2013, 04:37 PM

On the contrary, I think this season's Serie A is by far the best in a long while. You've got 4-5 teams all fighting for top spot so far. Too bad we're not in there as well.

As for Juve's offside I goal, I don't think we Milan fans of all people should complain given the insane amount of dubious/inexistent penalties we received last season.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 29 2013, 08:08 PM

Roma 2-0 up already.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 29 2013, 08:18 PM

Watching other teams actually play football while we hoof it around really depresses me, so I won't even bother watching

Posted by: Linkman Sep 29 2013, 08:24 PM

Roma is kicking ***.

Posted by: Jack Bauer Sep 29 2013, 08:42 PM

We will need a miracle to finish in top3 place.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Sep 29 2013, 08:53 PM

If we go by the last miracle that took us there, then we would have to loss a couple more games

Posted by: Jack Bauer Sep 29 2013, 09:03 PM

Last season, when we barely made it, was one thing, this season is completely another. This season you have a much improved Roma, Inter and Fiorentina all fighting for that last top3 place while Juve and Napoli are pretty much a lock. And we are still the same crape, if not worse.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 29 2013, 09:32 PM

It's amazing what playing with a modern formation, with exciting players, can do for a team. 5-0, Roma with another easy win and clean sheet.

We're stuck with a bunch of players who can't even run playing in a formation that doesn't even work!

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Sep 29 2013, 09:44 PM

Technically speaking, we have a good squad if Kaka gives us anywhere between 60-70% of his peak potential.

But pointing to the obvious, Serie A has strengthened and it is each team's right to have aspirations and present them in the standings of the table. However, the league is not over in December. It is a long haul race, with many mistakes from every side in the race. Many teams will burn out , maybe an injury crisis, you never know.

But writing off Milan when it is only October is insane, as the table currently shows us at 8 points off the top. Even if the deficit stretched to 16 points, Milan would still find a rosy patch during the season and recover.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 29 2013, 09:47 PM

Yeah after last season it's madness to write us off now. If we win a few, Roma lose against Napoli, Napoli lose to Juve. Suddenly we're a few points off the CL spaces and it's not even Christmas. Don't start worrying until the end of January and we're 10+ points out.

Posted by: Linkman Sep 29 2013, 10:13 PM

It is inmensely frustrating, though.

Posted by: Ry4n Sep 30 2013, 01:05 AM

Milan always have a hard time at the start we're never the quickest off the blocks..

Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 1 2013, 01:53 PM

Last time we won more than half of our first 6 games was 2005-06 season.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 5 2013, 08:30 PM

Wrong call to give Roma the penalty there, foul happened outside the area.

The referee behind the goal is just ridiculous, why lean over to try to get a closer look when you're not even going to correct these wrong decisions?

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Oct 5 2013, 08:42 PM

just chexked it is 3-0 at HT... so roma look likely for third this season

Posted by: William405 Oct 5 2013, 08:55 PM

Maybe they can even aim for higher...

Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 5 2013, 09:02 PM

Ridiculous.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 5 2013, 09:03 PM

They're easily looking like the best team in the league right now. Whether they can maintain it is another question altogether. They're playing amazing football, they have an amazing set of midfielders that work well together. I can see them pushing for 3rd. We'll see.

At this point I can't see us getting there. I can't even see us occupying a EL spot at the end of the season with the way we're playing.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 5 2013, 09:18 PM

Juve-Napoli-Roma. That's gonna be one hell of a battle.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Oct 6 2013, 09:41 AM

And why shouldn't they? I personally love the way the league is faring out this season. Serie A has made a step up in quality, reflected by all of Juve, inter, Roma, Fiorentina and Napoli. Obviously this penalizes Milan, but the collective of the league taking a step up is long overdo!

A strong Serie A will serve Milan better in the long run. We can not expect to always be on top. We can not expect to always be winners. Though our desire is to win the big trophies, it is also the desire of other teams who have made immense efforts ala Napoli, Roma, Fiorentina and Juve.

inter are on their way to getting a lump sum from their new part-owner. The same will definitely put them in a comfortable position come January.

Milan on the other hand are dealt a shitty hand, Silvio is going through one of the lowest points both on a personal level, business-wise and political. I.E. not the best time to be a Milan fan if you ask me. But as always, Forza Milan!

Posted by: han2503 Oct 6 2013, 09:50 AM

Milan still has so much potential, even without Silvio constantly bankrolling the team as we're used to. That being said, we have some serious rotten apples in the management that need to be removed ASAP. First off Galliani, if he loves the Club so much then he needs to step back for the good of the side as he can no longer cut it. The Allegri fiasco as well as the terrible transfers have crippled this side. Wasting money that should be spent wisely on unnecessary players just to please a man because you like him on a personal level, this is a perfect example of how he always lets his personal feelings get in the way of making proper decisions that are for the good of the Club.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Oct 6 2013, 10:34 AM

Ok...Galliani steps back, what's your plan though?

That's the thing. There really is no plan, except to say 'Off with their head'. I don't think anyone except Galliani can manage this period of instability right now. Perhaps when things stabilise he can move away. His sentimentality is a fault, but yes, we can do a lot worse than finishing in European places every year.

For me, if we just have a new more enterprising coach come in, we should start seeing some remarkable results.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Oct 6 2013, 10:48 AM

Best course of action is for Silvio to sell the club.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 6 2013, 12:14 PM

Yep. They're looking as good going forward as they did under Zeman, ut at the same time solid at the back. Pretty scary.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 6 2013, 12:38 PM

Bring someone in who has the vision to run this club properly, Silvio is not going to do it, and he's letting Galliani have free reign, which is a big mistake.

And you can talk about changing coach all you want but at the end of they day who was the one who vouched for Allegri? Who was the one who CONVINCED Silvio to keep Allegri when Roma wanted him? These are all terrible decisions made purely from a personal preference rather than a business or footballing perspective.


This. If he's not even interested in stepping in when the team needs him (and I'm not even talking about money here) then he should just let go. What's the point of keeping the Club if you're going to do more harm than good?


Agreed, but like I said, do you see them sustaining this throughout the season? I think they'll wain big time within few months, they don't have great squad depth so they'll have trouble coping if injuries start hitting them. Plus Juve will go from strength to strength as the season goes on, I personally can't see past them for the title, even Napoli don't come close for me, their terrible defence and lack of depth is also a factor. I think they'll get second but I don't think that they'll really give Juve a proper challenge for the title.

Third is a toss up between Roma, Inter and us. Yes I'm personally disheartened with how we're playing each week and with how things are going but we were arguably a lot worse last season and still managed it. So I'm not going to count us out just yet.

Still I have a feeling we'll be in the EL come next season along with Fiorentina and Roma/Inter (whoever doesn't get 3rd from those 2)

Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 6 2013, 12:46 PM

I think they'll probably be similar to Napoli of last year. Still be up making a genuine challenge after the winter break, but Juve's depth over the last few months of the season will help them pull away.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Oct 6 2013, 12:53 PM

Yeah ! McDonalds stadium ... I'm all for it

Posted by: han2503 Oct 6 2013, 02:19 PM

Who cares what name the stadium is? It's better than our current situation

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 6 2013, 05:20 PM

The plan is a complete rebuild and involvement of Milan legends I'm sure are capable of breathing fresh air into our loughs.

But really, no. Sentimentality was Galliani's problem a few years back with all the Favalli's and Oddo's that you and me defended. Now it's way past sentimentality. It's a clear case of decadence & decline prior to the final fall. Galliani has no plan, he's no relationship with the fans, he's lost every ounce of credibility and finally, with his Allegri obsession he's been holding the club back more then it should be.

Sure, European places isn't bad exactly. But I'd rather have a horror season like Juve or Inter had just to come back in great style, the years and years of slow stagnation and status quo. Because this situation is, permanent and long lasting as it is, is really affecting the basics of what AC Milan should represents: status, mentality, self awareness and greatness. History teaches you that great teams can eventually become past greats.


Well, this is the thing: I do. I think there a lots more fans who care about such things. Madrid has Bernabeu, Barcelona has Camp Nou, Manchester Old Trafford. It's the way it should be.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 6 2013, 05:26 PM

I do as well, but in the grand scheme of things it's not a big deal. If improving the club means we have to have a stadium named after some brand, then so be it. As long as it's for the good of the club then such details can be looked over. Because at the end of the day, the name of the stadium is just that, a minor detail.

Posted by: Linkman Oct 6 2013, 05:26 PM

Why 3rd? They're playing amazing football, and have no european competition to worry about. I think they're serious contenders for the scudetto.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 6 2013, 05:33 PM

Nah, Juve will have that on lockdown by January

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 6 2013, 05:42 PM

We'll see. But I also agree, it's very likely.

Posted by: Linkman Oct 7 2013, 01:20 PM

We'll have to see how Roma evolves during the season, but given the whooping they handed Inter last week, I think they're very well commanded.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 7 2013, 04:41 PM

Roma are my biggest pain in the @ss this season because not only could we have sent Allegri to them but they got Ljajic right out from under us. Just incredibly peeved about them...

And all the fault of Galliani. Go figure...

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 7 2013, 08:33 PM

Roma have a really good team, and they actually made a profit this summer. It's called good management, something we're completely unfamiliar with. But they do have to thank us for not sending Allegri their way.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 7 2013, 08:39 PM

I'm still massively p!ssed off about that. All of it really, we had so many great opportunities to not only improve the team but to keep it within budget, while also sending Allegri on his way to a competitor. It was just an overall massive disappointment and to see other teams thriving when we could have most likely been in their position had the right decisions been made in the summer is even worse

Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 7 2013, 08:41 PM

Yep. Makes it even worse when the signings we did make went completely against this so called project we have.

Posted by: acid911 Oct 7 2013, 08:59 PM

+∞

Posted by: han2503 Oct 7 2013, 09:28 PM

Not to mention the signings we made went against us in general as so far only Poli has been a revelation, all the others have been a let down

Kaka obviously we can't really tell yet, but this injury does not bode well for the future

Posted by: servbot Oct 9 2013, 06:31 PM

Well this is interesting...Milan and Inter ultras working together?

espnfc.com

Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 9 2013, 11:52 PM

Can't say I've seen enough of each team to be able to (dis)agree with any of this. But Campagnaro was a good deal for free and I thought Benatia was very good the last few years at Udinese, so no surprises they're performing well.

Posted by: Linkman Oct 10 2013, 01:39 AM

Notice the distinct lack of Milan CBs in that list.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Oct 10 2013, 06:27 AM

You seem surprised.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 10 2013, 06:52 AM

Jesus is really that good?

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Oct 10 2013, 07:04 AM

Yeah. Havent' you head Jesus Saves.

But no, a lot of youngsters are really coming through this season for Inter.

We cannot underestimate the impact that the absence of European football are having on both Inter and Rome. Especially for both teams having new coaches, it is giving them plenty of time to prepare as well as a relative absence of 'pressure'.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 10 2013, 08:58 AM

Some terrible names in that list, but goes to show what proper team drilling and tactical discipline do for a single player which otherwise can be pretty terrible. Campagnaro is an average defender, but he's been doing very well under Mazzari, same goes for Jesus. Britos? Same

I like Benatia, but it mostly goes down to how Roma are defending this season as a unit, the only really great defender in that list is Chiellini.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 10 2013, 09:53 PM

I think he is. He'd do very well in a big club.

Posted by: Danny Oct 11 2013, 03:21 PM

It shows how low Serie A's stock is these days that none of those defenders would even be considered top 20 in the world right now. Only one who might be considered borderline is Chiellini and he spends more time hitting folk than defending.

Posted by: Ry4n Oct 14 2013, 09:52 PM

not many juve defenders there also..

Posted by: Danny Oct 15 2013, 02:45 PM

Not that big a surprise. Despite their results they've not been impressive. They've been totally found out in the CL and they're just 'getting by' in Serie A.

Posted by: Jack Bauer Oct 18 2013, 09:38 PM

Roma are legit.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 18 2013, 10:40 PM

I look at Roma's line-up, is it really that superior to ours? Cos I don't think so. Garcia has really done some outstanding work there.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 18 2013, 10:49 PM

It's inferior if you compare them man for man, especially the first 11. Goes to show what a good coach can do for a team. And to think they wanted Allegri this summer. OH THE IRONY!!!

Posted by: Ry4n Oct 19 2013, 01:26 AM

Posted by: han2503 Oct 19 2013, 09:27 AM

You really think Roma's squad is better than ours? It's not. Before the season started they were barely even a blip on anyone's radar. The only players I'd take from them are Ljajic and DDR. Maybe Strootman as well. But Gervinho, Maicon, Dodo (whatever his name is), etc, I mean really?

Take away their coach and put someone else in and they'd be a defensive mess. Garcia has worked wonders with that side.

We could have sent Allegri their way, think about their team with him at the helm and then tell me (with a straight face) that they'd still be at the top of the table in that scenario.

Posted by: Ry4n Oct 19 2013, 09:54 AM

rofl i made a face i did'nt say anything calm down broseph i was agreeing with the point you were making... we know they they have a great coach look at the table they have a great winning streak which they are on and one more win they'll equal Juve's record of 9 wins without defeat. Better?

Posted by: han2503 Oct 19 2013, 11:38 AM

Who said I wasn't calm? That post didn't even include "!" or shouting caps, I was just further making my point because that smilie you made implied a "What are you thinking?!" type of reply.

Posted by: Ry4n Oct 19 2013, 12:30 PM

Wasn't trying to emply anything but ok.

Anyway back on subject i'll just copy paste what i said earlier.

we know they they have a great coach look at the table they have a great winning streak which they are on and one more win they'll equal Juve's record of 9 wins without defeat.

Posted by: acid911 Oct 19 2013, 01:33 PM

Which I hope they do! In fact, smash it to itsy bitsy pieces while they are at it.

Posted by: Ry4n Oct 19 2013, 03:34 PM

They have Udinese next i'm not so sure they will but would be cool.

Posted by: acid911 Oct 19 2013, 03:42 PM

Fingers crossed, mate. Only record I want Juventus to have is to going to Serie B or C multiple times within the decade, those stinking, corrupt dozers. In fact, I want Roma to win the Scudetto, for what it's worth, and more importantly for a change of scenery.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 20 2013, 10:27 AM

Problem is, Roma have Totti and De Rossi. Those two are "real champions" to use Galliani's phrase. They have the composure of stars who're winners. We don't have a single player who can fill in this category (maybe Kaka, but only if he manages to come back in a real way); individually our team is better, but it lacks extra class.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 20 2013, 12:04 PM

Two players (one of them 37-y-o) can't make the difference. Roma's had them for years, but it's starting to win only now thanks to this brilliant, brilliant Rudi Garcia.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 20 2013, 01:10 PM

I wanted us to get Benatia, he's far from mediocre. We get stuck with Mexes and Zapata FFS.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 20 2013, 01:20 PM

Benatia is Zapata level IMO. He's just been over-performing like most of Roma's players.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 20 2013, 02:06 PM

Like x-off said, they've been with an underachieving Roma for years. The only time Totti ever won anything of note with Roma was under a great coach (Capello). Aside from that a couple of Coppa Italias, DDR has never won anything big with Roma either. So to say those 2 are what separates us is just not a good excuse. We have players on their level, it's just that they are not given the opportunity to shine at Milan because of you know who


Agreed


Benetia? Really? They just sold a greatly talented young CB for nearly 40m this summer and replaced him with Benatia. Benatia is a good player and I like him. But he's just that; a good player. Mexes is a better defender than him and also a better footballer.

Roma are doing great because they have improved defensively as an entire unit, not just because of one player


Yep

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 20 2013, 03:17 PM

Indeed. But, the thing is - Roma had the potential, they only needed a good or great coach. I always thought Spaletti did a bad job considering the squad he had at his disposal. Now let's see if Garcia is the one.

With Milan it's pretty much different. We don't need just a coach swap, it's only a necessary first step. What we need is a whole new backbone. That's what Roma doesn't have to worry about with Totti and De Rossi, at least for a while.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 20 2013, 03:40 PM

Why do you bring up Spaletti? That was long ago. The team he had at disposal was composed of completely different players.

Anyway, the last decent Roma side was in 2010 (even though prior to then they were average at best), when they came second to Inter. Since then they've been completely crap. Those who have failed in this aspect were Ranieri/Montella, Luis Enrique and Zeman/Anderazzoli. And yes, Roma did have potential in these last two seasons, but I also think we have potential. Just need a good coach to guide us.

Posted by: Nova Oct 20 2013, 03:44 PM

Couldn't agree more .

Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 20 2013, 03:44 PM

Yes, you underrate way too many opposition players. Mexes is a better footballer, you're right. No way a better defender. Zapata is not even close to either.

Posted by: Nova Oct 20 2013, 03:45 PM

Fiorentina just scored 3 goals in about 5 minutes. Hatrick rossi , wasnt he a Milanfan ?

Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 20 2013, 03:46 PM

I just saw Juve were 2-1 up and WTF!?

Posted by: Danny Oct 20 2013, 03:47 PM

Just seeing the score now. 4-2 they trail 10 minutes to go.

Posted by: Nova Oct 20 2013, 03:49 PM

Juve were actually 0-2 up . Good to see juve and napoli lose !

Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 20 2013, 03:53 PM

Roma 5 points clear and already 8 points clear of 4th place.

Posted by: Danny Oct 20 2013, 03:55 PM

Interesting little point worth noting for all us doom-sayers:

Milan have only been beaten by HV, Napoli and Juve this season. In all competitions. All 3 of these are having pretty dang good seasons and are all inside the top 5 in the league.

Amazing how you can paint a rosier picture when you actually examine the numbers and who we lost to.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 20 2013, 03:59 PM

No, he doesn't. You just underestimate our players. Mexes is way better in every sense than Benatia. And honestly, Zapata would be another player at Roma right now, just like Benatia would suck @ss at this Milan.



Oh wow! I saw earlier it was 2-0 for Juve and thought game over.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 20 2013, 04:11 PM

And you underrate our players and overrate opposition players. And it wasn't me who talked about Zapata in the first place, x-off mentioned him and I agree with him anyways.

Mexes is better in every aspect than Benatia. It's ridiculous to say otherwise and if we had brought him in, as x-off also pointed out, he'd be just as terrible as Zapata has been, our problem has never been about the individuals. We had top class, best in their positions individuals under Allegri as well and he failed with that group as well and never managed to cultivate a proper team from those individuals.

Like I said, I like Benetia, but he's just a good player, he'd be lost if he were playing in this clueless Milan side under Allegri.


Yeah, and we were heavily linked with him both when he was at Parma and at Villarreal


Yet we're in the bottom half of the table because we're in week 8 of the league and still have not managed 1 single away win, neither in the CL.

The numbers speak for themselves when you look at the table and the amount of goals we've conceded this season


This!


And wow @ Juve. They'll probably come out swinging after this and won't lose a game for the rest of the season as they did last season after their loss to Inter.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 20 2013, 04:20 PM

All of the above is wrong.

Winning a title is failing.

Posted by: Ry4n Oct 20 2013, 04:23 PM

Are'nt they all

Does'nt Manchester United have a clause for him still or was that only between Villreal and Man United for the buy back option.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 20 2013, 04:26 PM

Rossi stopped being a ManU player in every sense six years ago, WTF?!

Posted by: han2503 Oct 20 2013, 04:27 PM

Oh, sorry, didn't know we won a title every season under Allegri, must have hit my head celebrating that first one thanks to Ibra's heroics

Posted by: Ry4n Oct 20 2013, 04:27 PM

I'm not so sure this season is not the same as last season they have Roma up there *** and the rest of the pack following behind sure they will bounce back with a win next week after they play real madrid which they will have to have there A team out on show to get anything out of that game if they want to stay in the CL , then they are back to Serie A where they will need to win and just like most of the players coming back are either fatigued because of internationals this week they will be tired now because of the CL they just played in so with all this in mind its not as easy for Juve just to bounce back and win on the trot at least i hope not.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 20 2013, 04:29 PM

Well, you might be right, maybe the pressure is getting to them this season. But I think they'll come out all guns blazing after this. Conte is not a man who takes to losing all that well. I'd hate to be in that locker room right about now

Posted by: Jack Bauer Oct 20 2013, 04:31 PM

Awesome 10 minutes. After Fiorentina's second goal (Buffon's fault) Juve abandoned the defence completely and paid dearly.

We won't make CL this season but I hope that at least Juve won't win the title. A small consolation prize.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 20 2013, 04:34 PM

The only team I'd want to see winning the title instead of us are Roma. I'm still peeved about Ljajic and the fact that we could have sent the Trojan Horse that is Allegri their way, but that's all Galliani's fault, and they deserve it, simply because of the amazing football they're playing each week.

Anything to keep Juve from winning their 30th title

Posted by: Ry4n Oct 20 2013, 04:46 PM

true

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 20 2013, 06:30 PM

You mean their 32nd.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 20 2013, 06:37 PM

In their deluded minds do they have 32 titles. just like Inter with their faxed Scudetto

Posted by: Jack Bauer Oct 20 2013, 07:20 PM

Posted by: Zed.D Oct 28 2013, 09:19 AM

Roma about to make history. the less records to those cheating Zebras' name the better. GO ROMA

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 28 2013, 09:24 AM

In which way? Consecutive wins or? What's the stat sheet on this one?

Posted by: han2503 Oct 28 2013, 09:54 AM

I think Juve had 9, Roma matched it this weekend if that's the case

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 28 2013, 11:29 AM

Yeah, Juve had nine in the 05/06 season under Capello. I clearly remember that. We managed to beat them on the tenth day.

Posted by: acid911 Oct 28 2013, 02:43 PM

A related stat sheet on this one is the Ibra powered Inter a few years back. They had a run of what, 16 games? Be interesting how close Roma get to that, which I believe is the Serie A record. But nice to see Juventus deprived of one. The Romans keep this up after the winter break, and they'll only get stronger for the title win!

Posted by: Linkman Oct 28 2013, 03:37 PM

According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_records_in_Italy#Most_consecutive_wins:

Most consecutive wins
17, Internazionale, 2006–07, (European Big Five League Record)
11, Roma, 2005–06
10, Juventus, 1931–32
10, Milan, 1950–51 and 1989–90
10, Bologna, 1963–64

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 28 2013, 03:38 PM

But I don't get it, what's Juve loosing?

Posted by: acid911 Oct 28 2013, 04:34 PM

Um, their own personal record. A trivial thing in the grand scheme of things, but at least Roma fans can now say that they have a bigger consecutive win streak than those drugged dozers. I am more interested in seeing just how long can this good run last for the Romans.

Because, well, they get into the 15 range, and the glory gets all that near!

Posted by: han2503 Oct 28 2013, 04:45 PM

I think it's 9 consecutive wins out of the traps. Meaning 9 out of 9 so far in the league which only Juve have done previously

Posted by: acid911 Oct 28 2013, 05:02 PM

Yup, that too. Good eye, there, Han!

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 28 2013, 05:22 PM

What do you mean by 'out of the traps'?

Anyway, it's about the first games of the season. From day one until whenever a team stops winning. So far the record is held by Juve in 05/06 and Roma right now.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 28 2013, 05:40 PM

It's usually said "Race out of the traps" meaning to start something very quickly.

Posted by: acid911 Oct 28 2013, 05:58 PM

Aye. A relatively obscure English expression, but it's not exactly about starting something quickly. Instead, I believe it's origin is from horse racing. The way the race horses get out of their wooden enclosures (traps) at the sound of the gun. In simpler terms it means right out of the block, from zero to whatever.

And well 11 wins out of 11 is quite good whichever way one looks at it, full chemistry, a cohesive unit. Rare sight.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 28 2013, 07:13 PM

Yeah I was going to put in horse races as an example, but if you look it up online it's usually defined as "starting out quickly"

Posted by: acid911 Oct 28 2013, 07:33 PM

I don't look up online because I am an English language encyclopedia! But I hear you!

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Oct 29 2013, 08:23 AM

Haha ... Yeah, Google before you talk, seems to be the new think before you talk

Posted by: han2503 Oct 29 2013, 09:15 AM

Well obviously you don't want to look like an idiot. Google is like that friend whispering the answer in your eat before you give a reply

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Oct 29 2013, 10:44 AM

Hey acid!!!

But han, really, google? So the mind no longer has a purpose now does it

Posted by: acid911 Oct 29 2013, 11:11 AM

Nice! Gang up on a simple and humble fan of the English language together. Real classy!

Posted by: han2503 Oct 29 2013, 12:39 PM

Well I knew what it meant to begin with, otherwise I wouldn't have used it, I just wanted to let acid know that it can be used in different scenarios other then it's intended one in racing.

And shut it, the "t" is near the "r", it's not my fault, total typo

Posted by: han2503 Oct 29 2013, 12:40 PM

He was picking on me not you as I wrote "t" instead of "r" so I wrote "eat" instead of "ear"

Anyways, what is this???? A grammatical and language for idiots forum?

Posted by: acid911 Oct 29 2013, 03:55 PM

Ah, now that I read your post, it makes sense. I always knew R7 was on my side. Love the guy!


It is this week.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 31 2013, 11:22 PM

Historic 10th win for Roma tonight.

Posted by: acid911 Oct 31 2013, 11:38 PM

They held on in the end, good stuff. Feared they may concede and draw.

Posted by: Linkman Nov 1 2013, 12:38 AM

Sadly Juve and Napoli both have had impressive league starts as well.

Posted by: Ry4n Nov 1 2013, 01:04 AM

grats to Roma , but tbh they didn'nt look in trouble towards the end at all there defense is actually good... , at one point i thought Chievo might try and mount something but they never really got going from the 70th mark onwards when Roma were tiring. But man there coach you could tell from just looking at the players how much morale boost he gives his players.

Big congrats to Roma 10 wins from 10 is nothing small.

Posted by: acid911 Nov 1 2013, 01:08 AM

True.


True.


And true.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 3 2013, 10:45 PM

I wish we signed Cerci when we were linked with him in he summer.

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 3 2013, 10:50 PM

Cerci? He would have sucked worse than Matri. In this team even Messi would be bad, let alone frigging Cerci.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 3 2013, 11:35 PM

We're screaming out for an actual winger. He's been phenomenal this season after a very, very good season last season. To think we have SES and Niang.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 4 2013, 12:14 AM

Cerci is a counter attacking player, he'd be terrible for us, just as he is whenever he's played for Italy. Not to mention he gives off the vibe that he's someone who's better at being the big fish in the small pond rather than the other way around.

But considering we'd been linked with both him and Candreva, Cerci is definitely the lesser of 2 evils.

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 4 2013, 12:37 AM

He failed at Roma, failed at Fiorentina. Torino is the perfect environment for him. He's simply not big club material.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 4 2013, 02:32 AM

If he excels in a team of mediocre players, he's perfect for us.

Posted by: dst Nov 4 2013, 02:41 AM

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 4 2013, 02:56 AM

If we want to make this team great again, it certainly won't happen by signing players like Cerci.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 4 2013, 02:00 PM

Says the guy who overrates every mediocre player (note: Cerci, Candreva, Matri, etc) and underrates every good player Milan has

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 4 2013, 07:24 PM

Sometimes I think Kurt just does it for us to overreact.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 4 2013, 08:47 PM

Most likely.

I mean Cerci? Really?

Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 4 2013, 09:36 PM

Maybe you should watch him rather than just using the old "Oh he plays for Torino, he must suck" logic. He's one of the most in form players in Serie A over the past year or so. Certainly performed leagues ahead of anyone in red and black.

But yes, clearly I do it just to troll, way to respect others opinions.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 4 2013, 10:06 PM

I simply do not care what he does for Torino, because I know for a fact that he'd fail at Milan. He simply looks good for a bad team, he's had other opportunities at bigger clubs in the past and failed miserably not to mention the eyesore he is for the NT which he has no business being in.

And you are trolling because you never fail to add your little punch line about how mediocre we are and how great other mediocre players from other mediocre teams are.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 5 2013, 02:15 AM

"I simply do no care what he does for Torino" Nice. Again, nice to see a mod can't respect anothers opinion.

Posted by: Ry4n Nov 5 2013, 03:05 AM

tbh i tend to agree with Han here. We should make a vote.

P.S also why can people sign up to the forums so we can have fresh debates other the seeing the same conversations over and over. For those that do not know you cannot sign up to these forums as they are closed to new accounts.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 5 2013, 03:20 AM

Difference being I'm not calling you guys trolls for your opinion.

Posted by: Ry4n Nov 5 2013, 05:54 AM

True but everybody needs a scape goat.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 5 2013, 08:44 AM

How is the mod thing exactly connected to your argument?

Posted by: han2503 Nov 5 2013, 12:23 PM

What does me being a mod and me saying that have to do with not respecting your opinion?

I said what I felt, I just do not care what he does for Torino as that would never translate with Milan, and it's not like he's leading Torino to some top spot challenge for crying out loud

You talk and talk about us being average but you want us to add other teams' average players into the mix.

Posted by: Ry4n Nov 5 2013, 01:07 PM

Oh Barbs!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R67Q6cd8k78

Posted by: Linkman Nov 5 2013, 02:23 PM

Why is that? I for one welcome new blood.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 5 2013, 02:29 PM

Don't know, that's something that goes beyond what mods can do, only mike can fix that, but I think the reason why new registrations are not allowed atm is because we had a huge issue with bots at one point spamming up the place, so mike suspended new users from registering

Posted by: Nova Nov 5 2013, 02:38 PM

Says the guy who would rather see Milan continue to lose just to get rid of a coach

Posted by: han2503 Nov 5 2013, 04:00 PM

I want to get rid of the coach because only that way would results improve. Losing those couple of games now would mean winning a lot more in the future.

I'd rather see Milan lose heavily to Barca in one game resulting in Allegri getting fired then to stay in this soulless pit of depression that has come to exemplify our team and the football that team plays. Allegri is poison for us right now.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Nov 5 2013, 04:18 PM

I don't agree with your statement entirely.

I believe changing the coach for a guaranteed better one is the only way for the team to improve keeping the composition the same. Now that second part is not so easy as you think.

A lot of us wanted Carlo out rather vehemently and was sure we could only go up from there. We've ended up from the frying pan into the fire.

At the moment none of the names I can think of are truly available or would even consider Milan and working withi it's restrictions. Their reputation would be at stake.

I felt Benitez would be a good coach at Milan, and so far his Napoli is proving me right. He even seemed to have made that ridiculous Higuain fee work, while Hamsik has just gone up leaps and bounds from that slump he seemed to be in.

But now who is there? I held out for Klopp. But he has extended. Among the lesser light coaches the only two who I would want here at the moment is Roberto Martinez or Michael Laudrup (both of whom were not there in the coaching replacement list )

Posted by: Ry4n Nov 5 2013, 04:44 PM

Can you message him and maybe he can find a fix

Posted by: Ry4n Nov 5 2013, 04:46 PM

I can't agree with this who ever comes in after Allegri is still going to have the same squad just extra morale boost and new tactics but same old same old its the people above that need to pay also.

and as i said before which no one seems to reply to even if Allegri loses to Barca heavily or lightly in the end loses he won't be fired the management know to get anything from the Barca match is something right now is not attainable the best we could try to get is a draw but , as i said we concede far to easily so that won't happen i don't know the stats but if someone could bring those up i would like to see how many goals we have conceded so far on average this season is it two ?
I also do not think Allegri will not get fired if we draw or lose to the flying donkeys they are in a very bad postion rooted to that bottom of the table , struggling with any sort of form as of course are we and so they will definatley have a morale boost when we play them because they know we leak goals out of our ***'es so anything goes against them they could just as easily win this next game. I don't think he will get fired because our expectations are so low we have hit the bottom and the catapin ( Berlusconi) is asleep at the wheel and the one driving ( Galliani ) the ship is not fit to ride a bike.

Do not get me wrong i want Allegri to go but i also want others that also deserve blame to go to the management entirely put us in this position.

Posted by: Ry4n Nov 5 2013, 05:00 PM

Capello he would get us Resulta. i know hes pre occupied with Russia but surely we can get him until the end of the season maybe.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 5 2013, 05:20 PM

Naah. After Brazil, maybe - but now - no way. Would be a precedent.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 5 2013, 06:29 PM

I haven't read the posts yet because I don't have time, but I skimmed over them, Ryan, you used key words there, Tactics and Motivation, we have neither, a new coach will bring that. Right now, we play like a team who does not know each other, like a bunch of individuals just running around like headless chickens.

Obviously the right coach needs to be chosen, we can't bring in another Allegri and expect things to change, but someone who is smart and knows how to implement a tactical system that works for this group of players we have is what's important. Allegri simply does not know how to do that, never has and never will, no matter how much Galliani persists with him, things will only get worse

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Nov 5 2013, 06:57 PM

Yes exactly. But maybe I'm misreading your tone, but you seem to suggest we can fire Allegri tomorrow morning and get the 'right coach' tomorrow evening.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 5 2013, 07:49 PM

As a mod you have a responsibility to lead an example for the forum. Calling someone a troll because you disagree with their opinion is something I don't find acceptable.

Me and dru have said similar to each other before and you've told us that if we can't agree on something we should at least try and respect each others opinion.

Clearly I'm wrong and we're able to call other members stuff and not respect their opinions.

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 5 2013, 07:57 PM

Not the right coach, but a temporary replacement till the end of the season. Inzaghi, Mangia, Costacurta, Gattuso, you name it.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Nov 5 2013, 07:59 PM

And you're sure they would work? These people? Gattuso who failed in Serie B will somehow get us into European places?

I understand your distress with Allegri, I share it too. But I'm not in favour of the anyone but him argument. We've burnt ourselves enough with that.

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 5 2013, 08:02 PM

What's important is that we get rid of Allegri. This season is lost either way. Even if we got Mourinho we wouldn't be able to make the CL.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 5 2013, 08:07 PM

And who's going to take the job for just the rest of this season exactly? Coaches will want to be guaranteed they have more than just half a season they can't do anything with. Unless we have serious money to spend, we're going nowhere without a Mourinho or similar.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 5 2013, 09:28 PM

Please quote me and show me where I've called you a troll. I'm serious here, because I don't remember ever calling you a troll and if so I'm ready to apologise for it immediately, but I don't recall ever doing so, certainly not in this thread where I said "I don't care about what he does with Torino" has suddenly turned into me disrespecting your opinion and calling you a troll.

And there is a very specific difference between you and dru calling each other retards and using the word "troll" as well


An interim coach would be a good solution, obviously the new coach would have an added incentive that if he does well he'll get his deal extended onto the next season, and when I'm saying "does well" I'm not even talking about CL. I'm talking about seeing an improvement in the players' mentality when approaching a game, seeing an actual playing style being implemented on the pitch, seeing an actual tactical system that we use while attacking AND defending. These are all basic things that one would expect from a professional footballing side, no matter the quality of players they have, and these are all things which are currently missing

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 5 2013, 09:54 PM

This.

Posted by: dst Nov 6 2013, 01:42 AM

CL is definitely out of our reach right now anyway with the way Roma, Juventus and Napoli are doing unless Roma are really a fluke in which case we still won't make it to third ahead of Inter for Fiorentina I believe.

The thing is, Allegri will not be with Milan next season. The players know that which is the most important thing. So isn't it better than he goes now?

Posted by: acid911 Nov 6 2013, 04:27 AM

$$$, my friend. $$$.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2013, 09:59 AM

Agreed. Also, we were in this same situation last season as Inter were initially doing well, same with Fiorentina. Inter took a nose dive around Christmas and never recovered while Fiorentina have always been terribly inconsistent and we're seeing that this season as well.

Like you said, it depends on how Roma turn out over the course of the season

But the thing is, I can't see us picking up the kind of points we did last season. Even if most of those points were scraped while still playing terribly, this season the players just seem completely depleted, like they do not care either way

Posted by: Ry4n Nov 6 2013, 10:47 AM

Already said this above.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 10 2013, 10:28 PM

Juve tonight showing how big the gap truly is between them and the rest of the league

Napoli have a great attack but the rest is subpar

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 10 2013, 10:30 PM

Pogba with the goal of the season. Phenomenal!

Posted by: Ry4n Nov 10 2013, 10:42 PM

So true , but what does it say about the league when they are last in there champions league group this is when they are pitted against the best in europe just a few of the teams..

Also great goal by Pirlo why the hell did we sell this guy to our main rivals...

Posted by: han2503 Nov 10 2013, 10:45 PM

Oh no, we didn't sell him, we wrapped him up in shiny paper and gave him over to them for free. Another brilliant peace of business for the guru.

And yeah, that's what I was talking to kurt about in the CL thread. The hoopla after Juve scraped a 2-2 draw against Juve would have made you think that they'd won the group with 2 games to spare and wiped the floor with Real. The fact that the standards are so low and achieving a draw against Real is such a huge accomplishment for the Italian champions shows you how far the standards have fallen

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 10 2013, 11:17 PM

I think any team drawing 2-2 against Real would consider it a good result.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 11 2013, 01:01 AM

How great is this guy going to be? He can already do everything.

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 11 2013, 01:11 AM

Yeah, he's awesome. To think we were interested in him before we decided to go with Traoré.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 11 2013, 09:37 AM

Not when it's a team like Juve who are champions of Italy. You think Chelsea, Man U, Barca, Bayern, Dortmund would think that a draw at home against them is a success?

We got less hype after drawing against Barca and we're in the situation that we're in.


Yep, and to think he was at Man U and they let him go for basically nothing and then they proceed to spend a considerable amount of money for Fellaini

Posted by: Ry4n Nov 11 2013, 11:05 AM

Precisely

Posted by: acid911 Nov 11 2013, 11:24 AM

Not true. We were interested in him, it's just that they were not willing to let Pogba go for free!

Posted by: Zed.D Nov 11 2013, 11:35 AM

Pirlo's FK goal was brilliant too. I thought he'd forgotten how to kick the ball like that. I think in his last 2-3 seasons with us he rarely managed to score one like that...

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 11 2013, 11:44 AM

Indeed. He scored that screamer against Parma, but no free-kicks. In fact, rarely did he score from free-kicks overall with us. Last couple of years with Juve it's a different story. He scored at the Euro with Italy as well.