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Posted by: Jack Bauer Sep 4 2013, 04:47 PM

The summer thread was too depressing (at least for me) so let's start a new one.

What do you expect to see (besides Honda) ?

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Sep 4 2013, 04:53 PM

(besides Honda, I expect..) possibly Kucka & Astori?

Posted by: han2503 Sep 4 2013, 05:43 PM

Pinned

In terms of transfers, I'm personally expecting another midfielder who can cover for De Jong and a CB. Kucka and Astori are the obvious choices obviously, but Astori will cost too much and he's not really worth spending a huge fee on. If nothing else he'd only be a reliable backup for Mexes/Zapata.

Also, I'm expecting some exits as well. Maybe Niang (hopefully the Kucka swap deal happens), atm there's absolutely no room for him (thank God), maybe Nocerino and Zaccardo as well will be out

So

In: Kucka, CB, Honda
Out: Niang, Zaccardo, Nocerino

I think doing this would improve the squad considerably

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 4 2013, 05:53 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 4 2013, 06:43 PM) *
In: Kucka, CB, Honda
Out: Niang, Zaccardo, Nocerino

I think doing this would improve the squad considerably

I agree with this and it's probably not that far off from being realistic too.

Posted by: dst Sep 4 2013, 07:02 PM

Was Nocerino that bad last season?

Posted by: han2503 Sep 4 2013, 07:27 PM

QUOTE (dst @ Sep 4 2013, 07:02 PM) *
Was Nocerino that bad last season?

Yes, he was, I personally thought it was a combination of lack of form and having to play without Ibra. But even if he's not going to score 10 goals a season without Ibra the fact is he'd played below par all season long and it doesn't look to have improved.

I'd personally rather heep him then a Muntari but Allegri obviously prefers the latter so it's pointless, and I think we can bring in a decent sum for Nocerino

Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 5 2013, 12:09 AM

OMG han wants Nocerino out ?!?!??!!?

Posted by: han2503 Sep 5 2013, 08:49 AM

QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Sep 5 2013, 12:09 AM) *
OMG han wants Nocerino out ?!?!??!!?

Like I said, I'd rather Muntari be the one to GTFO, but seeing as he' Allegri's secret love child and that Nocerino would actually bring us a decent sum as he's still very highly regarded then Nocerino would be the better option to sell.

Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 5 2013, 10:24 AM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 5 2013, 10:49 AM) *
Like I said, I'd rather Muntari be the one to GTFO, but seeing as he' Allegri's secret love child and that Nocerino would actually bring us a decent sum as he's still very highly regarded then Nocerino would be the better option to sell.

Agreed, though I actually prefer Muntari over Nocerino. Muntari is a good ball-winner for us, he and De Jong support our fragile defense.

2013: Kaka', Honda and Montolivo. Creativity will be back. ohmy.gif

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 5 2013, 11:32 AM

I'm just glad two of our four midfielders have some vision and creativity. Kaká might have lost his pace, but his vision and passing will always be world class. De Jong and Poli also are very good passers. We might finally see some improvements in our game.

Posted by: acid911 Sep 5 2013, 03:08 PM

Yeah, the midfield is taken care of, now only if our coach had some vision and creativity. sleep.gif

Posted by: han2503 Sep 5 2013, 09:23 PM

QUOTE (acid911 @ Sep 5 2013, 03:08 PM) *
Yeah, the midfield is taken care of, now only if our coach had some vision and creativity. sleep.gif

I think we're one really good CM away from having the midfield taken care of. Plus should any one of Monto or De Jong get injured we're in deeper sh!t than we were last season when we lost De Jong. Don't forget, there's no Flamini or Ambro this season. Only Muntari and Nocerino are reliable options to take over and even those 2 aren't really pure DMs

Posted by: acid911 Sep 5 2013, 09:43 PM

Oh yeah, true, I was talking more in creativity terms. happy.gif While I do think a midfield of Montolivo, Honda, Kaka, Poli, Saponara is highly creative, guys like De Jong and Nocerino (hopefully he stays and picks up his game) can take care of guard duties.

Balotelli also has that touch of creativity, and with Abate and DeScig, goal scoring at will ought not be a problem. And that's even without throwing Shaarawy into the mix, who granted is not creative or creates, but is a good finisher. biggrin.gif Only part of the puzzle that remains is Allegri. To him I say, man up or man out!

But overall, in terms of creative potential this midfield is miles ahead of the dry seasons of Ambrosini, Flamini, De Jong, Nocerino, Boateng, Gattuso and then Muntari. More than two of these guys should never have played together, if were were planning to outscore oppositions. And guess what, when they did, we did not.

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Sep 5 2013, 10:36 PM

Don't know if this was posted but...

QUOTE
AC Milan Loan Midfielder To Kayseri Erciyesspor

AC Milan have announced that Bakaye Traore has been loaned to Turkish club Kayseri Erciyesspor for the 2013/14 season.

The 28-year-old was signed on a free transfer from French club Nancy last summer, but failed to make an impression with the Rossoneri last season.

After only making nine appearances in all competitions the Malian was deemed a surplus to requirements by coach Massimiliano Allegri.

As a result the Rossoneri have loaned the midfielder to Kayseri Erciyesspor for the season.

Traore has made 21 appearances for the Malian national team while scoring two goals.

Posted by: Jack Bauer Sep 5 2013, 10:44 PM

He has a contract for two more years so he will return here in the end of the season.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 5 2013, 11:08 PM

QUOTE (acid911 @ Sep 5 2013, 09:43 PM) *
Oh yeah, true, I was talking more in creativity terms. happy.gif While I do think a midfield of Montolivo, Honda, Kaka, Poli, Saponara is highly creative, guys like De Jong and Nocerino (hopefully he stays and picks up his game) can take care of guard duties.

Balotelli also has that touch of creativity, and with Abate and DeScig, goal scoring at will ought not be a problem. And that's even without throwing Shaarawy into the mix, who granted is not creative or creates, but is a good finisher. biggrin.gif Only part of the puzzle that remains is Allegri. To him I say, man up or man out!

But overall, in terms of creative potential this midfield is miles ahead of the dry seasons of Ambrosini, Flamini, De Jong, Nocerino, Boateng, Gattuso and then Muntari. More than two of these guys should never have played together, if were were planning to outscore oppositions. And guess what, when they did, we did not.

Agreed on that bit, I'm mostly worried about what even 1 injury to that midfield could do to us at this point. I guess when Honda comes we'll have more depth as he can play in a more retreated role in midfield.

And yes, personally I'm seriously worried about Allegri. All of Gazzetta's predictions have Matri as the 1st choice striker next to Balo. If he drops SES to accommodate his personal idiotic signing, I'll be seriously p!ssed off, even more than I am when I see Muntari constantly starting, and that's saying something.

Dropping him last Sunday for Robinho was just a slap in the face, he said it's because he hasn't played the new tactical set-up but that's really not an excuse, the kid is a striker more than he is a winger, he'll have no problem playing there and I'm sure he'll do great there.

SES was the player that saved Allegri's @ss last season because if it weren't for his goals he'd have been fired before November. I seriously do hope that he won't treat him as he is known to treat certain players with the typical 4 minute sub. Because that's just the most disrespectful thing, I'd rather he hadn't brought him on last Sunday than seeing that, just disgusting

QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Sep 5 2013, 10:36 PM) *
Don't know if this was posted but...

Damn it! Can't we for ONCE just sell a player FFS? Have we actually sold a single player this summer for outright cash?

@ Jack, do the 2 years include this coming season?

Also, we have a host of players who'll be on their final year of contracts this season, namely Abate, Abbiati, Urby, Silvestre and Coppola.

Aside from Abate I think all should be let go. But we seriously need to get on extending Abate's contract. Just ridiculous to let it even run down this long

Posted by: Jack Bauer Sep 5 2013, 11:18 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 6 2013, 02:08 AM) *
@ Jack, do the 2 years include this coming season?

He'll have one year left after his return. But we'll probably just exchange him for someone else we don't need.

Posted by: acid911 Sep 5 2013, 11:45 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 6 2013, 04:08 AM) *
And yes, personally I'm seriously worried about Allegri. All of Gazzetta's predictions have Matri as the 1st choice striker next to Balo. If he drops SES to accommodate his personal idiotic signing, I'll be seriously p!ssed off, even more than I am when I see Muntari constantly starting, and that's saying something.

Dropping him last Sunday for Robinho was just a slap in the face, he said it's because he hasn't played the new tactical set-up but that's really not an excuse, the kid is a striker more than he is a winger, he'll have no problem playing there and I'm sure he'll do great there.

SES was the player that saved Allegri's @ss last season because if it weren't for his goals he'd have been fired before November. I seriously do hope that he won't treat him as he is known to treat certain players with the typical 4 minute sub. Because that's just the most disrespectful thing, I'd rather he hadn't brought him on last Sunday than seeing that, just disgusting

Yeah, now that you bring it up, I'm scared of the fact that there is some trouble brewing between Allegri and Shaarawy. There have been some reports that suggested this much, you have the coach regularly saying that things are fine between him and the player, even Shaarawy said so once. sad.gif No it's not alright, from what I see it.

If it were, no one would be talking about it or denying it. Fire, smoke, something like that? Be interesting what he does to the Pharaoh this season, how Allegri treats and plays the kid. But I already sense it that the Matri signing was just Allegri's way of laying the smack down on El Shaarawy.

I hope I'm proven wrong, a few matches into the season. But he pulled his shtick on Pato, he can do it to anyone.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 5 2013, 11:50 PM

Kaká-Balo-Matri sounds logical though, especially for a 4-3-1-2. You've got your typical trequartista, your prima punta who can defend the ball, and the second striker who can score, dribble the opponent and provide assists. Kinda reminds me of the Kaká-Sheva-Gila combo.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 6 2013, 12:46 AM

QUOTE (acid911 @ Sep 6 2013, 12:45 AM) *
I hope I'm proven wrong, a few matches into the season. But he pulled his shtick on Pato, he can do it to anyone.

Pato was terrible and rightfully dropped and sold.

SES has been terrible for 6 months or so and players need to be dropped. Matri over SES? Yeah. I'd have Robinho in the team over SES at this point.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Sep 6 2013, 05:14 AM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 6 2013, 07:16 AM) *
Pato was terrible and rightfully dropped and sold.

SES has been terrible for 6 months or so and players need to be dropped. Matri over SES? Yeah. I'd have Robinho in the team over SES at this point.


I don't think he's been terrible. I think what we're seeing is typical of a young player (a very young player) being put in a position out of his comfort zone and having to acclimatize. He's got another 4 years of 'training' before he hits his peak. Let's not rush and start treating him like a prime player.

I wouldn't be too hasty to call it ego issues, just because my opinions on Allegri might be tainting that judgement.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 6 2013, 08:41 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 5 2013, 11:50 PM) *
Kaká-Balo-Matri sounds logical though, especially for a 4-3-1-2. You've got your typical trequartista, your prima punta who can defend the ball, and the second striker who can score, dribble the opponent and provide assists. Kinda reminds me of the Kaká-Sheva-Gila combo.

Not when you have someone like SES on the bench it doesn't, and Balo likes to play as a CF in the equation.

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 6 2013, 12:46 AM) *
Pato was terrible and rightfully dropped and sold.

SES has been terrible for 6 months or so and players need to be dropped. Matri over SES? Yeah. I'd have Robinho in the team over SES at this point.

Ask yourself why he's been bad for the last 6 months

Stuck wide playing as some sort of double FB in Allegri's painfully retarded "system", and what has Matri done exactly to warrant the start FFS?

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 6 2013, 04:03 PM

Matri had a role at Juve and did it well, like Pazzini did with us. SES was brilliant for the first 4 months of the season but really has done nothing at all since.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 6 2013, 04:42 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 6 2013, 04:03 PM) *
Matri had a role at Juve and did it well, like Pazzini did with us. SES was brilliant for the first 4 months of the season but really has done nothing at all since.

Scoring 10 goals in I don't know how many appearances?

And what does that have to do with anything really? He has done zilch for Milan, and just like Pazzini (once Balo came) was treated as a sub, the same should be done for Matri.

SES and his great 4 months saved Allegri's @ss last season, he and Balo have also shown great glimpses of link-up play. Balo and Matri will only get in each other's way as Balo tends to move centrally a lot and same can be said for Matri

A front line of

SES-Balo
Kaka


is far more dynamic then a front line of

Matri-Balo
Kaka


Simply because Matri does nothing but stand around and wait for the tap-in, at least Pazzo does great holding up the ball, that's not really part of Matri's game

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 6 2013, 04:51 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 6 2013, 05:42 PM) *
Scoring 10 goals in I don't know how many appearances?

"appearances" is a massively generic term though.

Matri was mostly used off the bench and only played 1,000 minutes of the entire season. I don't recall who it was (Trini maybe) posted a table showing that - taking penalties out - he had the best goals: minutes ratio in the entire league. You can push it off as "meaningless stats" but fact is he's a goalscorer.

What you said makes no sense. Do you think when we signed Balo he should've been on the bench? After all he'd done nothing for Milan. SES is a very limited player, a lot of young players start out hot as they're new. After a while they get found out and that's when the hard work starts - we'll see if he can adapt or not.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 6 2013, 05:22 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 6 2013, 04:51 PM) *
"appearances" is a massively generic term though.

Matri was mostly used off the bench and only played 1,000 minutes of the entire season. I don't recall who it was (Trini maybe) posted a table showing that - taking penalties out - he had the best goals: minutes ratio in the entire league. You can push it off as "meaningless stats" but fact is he's a goalscorer.

What you said makes no sense. Do you think when we signed Balo he should've been on the bench? After all he'd done nothing for Milan. SES is a very limited player, a lot of young players start out hot as they're new. After a while they get found out and that's when the hard work starts - we'll see if he can adapt or not.

Matri had the best midfield in the league in support of him, Pazzini barely had a midfield behind him and their stats are nearly identical.

And if SES is considered a "very limited player" by you then I don't know what to say about Matri.

To score the amount of goals he did in Serie A isn't just something a "lot of young players" do. And let me remind you he scored zero penalties as well.

To bench him for Matri would just be blasphemous on every footballing and logical level that you can think of. Simple as that.

And of course Balo is different. Unlike Matri, Balo is a top player that the team desperately needed at the time. Matri is just added weight that was mostly a frivolous buy by our coach.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 6 2013, 05:38 PM

I never said players do score that amount of goals, it's just common for players to start great and fade. It's going to be even harder for him now.

Posted by: mishie Sep 6 2013, 05:57 PM

Pato was not trained properly and his injuries were all muscle related, that was do to the way Milan had him bulking up. SES hasn't inspired me at all, I'm not convinced playing thru the middle is the answer either. Mario would play better off Matri than he would Pazzini. Matri tends to do some work out of the box, his hold up play is pretty decent and can bring other players into the game. with the return of Kaka i think the prospect of Matri over Pazzini will become a reality.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 6 2013, 06:02 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 6 2013, 05:38 PM) *
I never said players do score that amount of goals, it's just common for players to start great and fade. It's going to be even harder for him now.

I know what you said, but even if most players do start great, that could mean anything really. SES started out by being the club top scorer. I don't think that's just a run of the mill great that is simply experienced by every young talented player.

It won't be as hard for him as last season when he was stuck wide on the wing having to both defend and the responsibility of scoring the goals as well. He found it hard last season because he was being played in a position that is simply not suited to him. A winger needs to be able to dribble, cross and pass very well, not really traits that SES possesses. He's a very quick striker, nothing else. And as soon as other teams figured out how to keep him stuck out wide the goals dried up.

All I'm saying is that he needs to be given a PROPER chance playing as a striker on this team, and not giving him that privilege after last season in order to play Matri would be seriously stupid

Anyway, it's pointless talking about it now as we haven't seen what Allegri will decide as of yet, but I have a nasty suspicion that he'll be playing Matri ahead of him.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 6 2013, 06:05 PM

QUOTE (mishie @ Sep 6 2013, 05:57 PM) *
Pato was not trained properly and his injuries were all muscle related, that was do to the way Milan had him bulking up. SES hasn't inspired me at all, I'm not convinced playing thru the middle is the answer either. Mario would play better off Matri than he would Pazzini. Matri tends to do some work out of the box, his hold up play is pretty decent and can bring other players into the game. with the return of Kaka i think the prospect of Matri over Pazzini will become a reality.

Matri can do work outside the box?

Even if you haven't watched him these last few years at Juve, his 20 minute appearance for us should tell you that he can do no such thing.

Work outside the box? Look at what SES does on a weekly basis travelling up and down the wing defending or how him and Balo linked up so well against PSV. Look at the work Pazzini did last season, especially in that game against Barca. Matri is just not even as good as Pazzini, let alone as good as SES who is one of the most sought after young players in football

I understand not being inspired by him yet, but you seriously cannot tell me that you'd bench him in favour of Matri.

Posted by: mishie Sep 6 2013, 06:23 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 6 2013, 07:05 PM) *
Matri can do work outside the box?

Even if you haven't watched him these last few years at Juve, his 20 minute appearance for us should tell you that he can do no such thing.

Work outside the box? Look at what SES does on a weekly basis travelling up and down the wing defending or how him and Balo linked up so well against PSV. Look at the work Pazzini did last season, especially in that game against Barca. Matri is just not even as good as Pazzini, let alone as good as SES who is one of the most sought after young players in football

I understand not being inspired by him yet, but you seriously cannot tell me that you'd bench him in favour of Matri.

for a start i'm not suggesting anything of the sort. Conte said that Matri was the best striker for counter-attacking because he holds the ball, lays it off and then makes his way into the box...his words not mine.

As for Pazzini i'd pick him over Matri and SES over him so that tells you what my opinion of him is.

My opinion doesn't matter i was merely stating what i think will happen. As for SES and his work outside the box yes you're correct he does travel up and down the wing and does a superb job, but that was in a 4-3-3 Allegri will now go 4-3-1-2.

Listen I'm not saying Matri is better or worse than anyone else or Pazzini or SES or anyone else i'm simply stating what i think will happen

Posted by: han2503 Sep 6 2013, 06:42 PM

QUOTE (mishie @ Sep 6 2013, 06:23 PM) *
for a start i'm not suggesting anything of the sort. Conte said that Matri was the best striker for counter-attacking because he holds the ball, lays it off and then makes his way into the box...his words not mine.

As for Pazzini i'd pick him over Matri and SES over him so that tells you what my opinion of him is.

My opinion doesn't matter i was merely stating what i think will happen. As for SES and his work outside the box yes you're correct he does travel up and down the wing and does a superb job, but that was in a 4-3-3 Allegri will now go 4-3-1-2.

Listen I'm not saying Matri is better or worse than anyone else or Pazzini or SES or anyone else i'm simply stating what i think will happen

Well I seriously hope that you're wrong wink.gif

And Conte was talking BS about not wanting Giaccherini and Matri to leave, does that mean he was telling the truth? I think he was mostly just being diplomatic instead of waving the Loser sign in our faces and yelling "Gotcha Suckas" for buying Matri off them (their 4th choice) for more than they paid for Tevez

Also I think SES or whoever partners Balo upfront will have to drop back and help out the midfield.

Before with the 4-3-3 the 2 "wingers" tended to defend a lot, because Allegri just can't help himself, and even when we played the 4-3-1-2 when Ibra was here, the other striker tended to drop back and defend, which is why he usually preferred Robinho over Pato, not to mention that we had a box-to-box workhorse as the AM.

Now we're going to be playing a proper trequartista. So the striker next to Balo will need to be able to drop with Kaka to make part of the midfield when we're defending, because Balo ain't going to be doing anything of the sort.

Posted by: mishie Sep 6 2013, 06:49 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 6 2013, 07:42 PM) *
Well I seriously hope that you're wrong wink.gif

And Conte was talking BS about not wanting Giaccherini and Matri to leave, does that mean he was telling the truth? I think he was mostly just being diplomatic instead of waving the Loser sign in our faces and yelling "Gotcha Suckas" for buying Matri off them (their 4th choice) for more than they paid for Tevez

Also I think SES or whoever partners Balo upfront will have to drop back and help out the midfield.

Before with the 4-3-3 the 2 "wingers" tended to defend a lot, because Allegri just can't help himself, and even when we played the 4-3-1-2 when Ibra was here, the other striker tended to drop back and defend, which is why he usually preferred Robinho over Pato, not to mention that we had a box-to-box workhorse as the AM.

Now we're going to be playing a proper trequartista. So the striker next to Balo will beed to be able to drop with Kaka to make part of the midfield when we're defending, because Balo ain't going to be doing anything of the sort.

We all know that a striker had to go from Juve because of the money situation. Either Matri or Quag were going to go, if i'm honest with Llorente underperforming then yes i do believe that Conte would've preferred Matri over Quag to stay.

If you look when Balotelli and Cassano played together for Italy Mario did do a fair bit of defending pushing out wide so don't underestimate the possibility of him doing that and 1 thing that has improved since he joined from Man.City is his workrate for the team.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 6 2013, 06:55 PM

QUOTE (mishie @ Sep 6 2013, 06:49 PM) *
We all know that a striker had to go from Juve because of the money situation. Either Matri or Quag were going to go, if i'm honest with Llorente underperforming then yes i do believe that Conte would've preferred Matri over Quag to stay.

If you look when Balotelli and Cassano played together for Italy Mario did do a fair bit of defending pushing out wide so don't underestimate the possibility of him doing that and 1 thing that has improved since he joined from Man.City is his workrate for the team.

No matter what the situation at Juve, they all high fived each other at the extortionate fee they got for him, the Juve fans practically threw a party about it for crying out loud.

And it's a completely different ball game here, doing it for 2 or 3 games in the Euros for Italy doesn't mean that he'll be doing it week in week out for Milan for an entire season.

And really, to have Balo dropping back deep to defend and support a player like Matri would be a huge waste.

Posted by: mishie Sep 6 2013, 07:03 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 6 2013, 07:55 PM) *
No matter what the situation at Juve, they all high fived each other at the extortionate fee they got for him, the Juve fans practically threw a party about it for crying out loud.

And it's a completely different ball game here, doing it for 2 or 3 games in the Euros for Italy doesn't mean that he'll be doing it week in week out for Milan for an entire season.

And really, to have Balo dropping back deep to defend and support a player like Matri would be a huge waste.

The fee is neither here or there tbh.

Yes you're right about Balo and the Euro's but give me a break here you're busting my nuts over every suggestion! lol
the template is there for him to play a role like that, either Matri or Pazzini will be the 1 playing up top can't imagine it being any other way so Mario's role will differ, but thinking about the PSV game how deep did Mario come to lay on the pass for Poli runs for the 3rd goal?

All this is conjecture until we see after the break

Posted by: han2503 Sep 6 2013, 07:10 PM

QUOTE (mishie @ Sep 6 2013, 07:03 PM) *
The fee is neither here or there tbh.

Yes you're right about Balo and the Euro's but give me a break here you're busting my nuts over every suggestion! lol
the template is there for him to play a role like that, either Matri or Pazzini will be the 1 playing up top can't imagine it being any other way so Mario's role will differ, but thinking about the PSV game how deep did Mario come to lay on the pass for Poli runs for the 3rd goal?

All this is conjecture until we see after the break

Sorry biggrin.gif

Seriously, personally I can't see this Matri, Balo duo working. But Allegri will insist on it as usual.

Last season Pazzini was never even an option alongside Balo unless we were going with 4 strikers upfront in the last few minutes of a game when we're in panic mode. So suddenly Balo absolutely NEEDS Matri next to him? Just ridiculous excuse to get Matri on the team for some reason or another by Allegri.

I seriously cannot wait to get rid of him at the end of this season. As long as he's here, no matter how good or average the squad is we'll underperform so what's the point? The only bad thing is that he's being touted as a possible Prandelli replacement. In that case I'd only have to suffer watching a team I support every few months

Posted by: mishie Sep 6 2013, 07:40 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 6 2013, 08:10 PM) *
Sorry biggrin.gif

Seriously, personally I can't see this Matri, Balo duo working. But Allegri will insist on it as usual.

Last season Pazzini was never even an option alongside Balo unless we were going with 4 strikers upfront in the last few minutes of a game when we're in panic mode. So suddenly Balo absolutely NEEDS Matri next to him? Just ridiculous excuse to get Matri on the team for some reason or another by Allegri.

I seriously cannot wait to get rid of him at the end of this season. As long as he's here, no matter how good or average the squad is we'll underperform so what's the point? The only bad thing is that he's being touted as a possible Prandelli replacement. In that case I'd only have to suffer watching a team I support every few months

Of course he'll insist on it, he specifically asked for Matri. Yes whatever happens i think Allegri will be gone Don Silvio doesn't want him the only plus would be if it was a swap and Prandelli became Milan coach. Also Allegri wouldn't get the time and patience in charge of the NT so he'll so be removed.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 6 2013, 08:01 PM

QUOTE (mishie @ Sep 6 2013, 07:40 PM) *
Of course he'll insist on it, he specifically asked for Matri. Yes whatever happens i think Allegri will be gone Don Silvio doesn't want him the only plus would be if it was a swap and Prandelli became Milan coach. Also Allegri wouldn't get the time and patience in charge of the NT so he'll so be removed.

There are a lot of rumours and basically most journalists expect Prandelli to take his place at Milan.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 6 2013, 09:50 PM

Never was a huge fan of El Shaarway. We spent €12 million on Matri, might as well try him out.

Posted by: William405 Sep 7 2013, 01:08 AM

You guys keep nagging about the youth project..and how Galliani didn't follow his project, but have absolutely no patience to see someone develop. El Sharaawy has shown us glimpses of what he can do, he certainly has the potential and the mentality to become very good, yet you prefer the provincial Matri...

Posted by: han2503 Sep 7 2013, 08:45 AM

QUOTE (William405 @ Sep 7 2013, 01:08 AM) *
You guys keep nagging about the youth project..and how Galliani didn't follow his project, but have absolutely no patience to see someone develop. El Sharaawy has shown us glimpses of what he can do, he certainly has the potential and the mentality to become very good, yet you prefer the provincial Matri...

Yep.

Listen, I'm not someone who thinks El Shaarawy is the second coming or that he's as good as Neymar (rolleyes.gif), had we received some ridiculous offer like say 45m from an oil club then I'd have said sell him because he'll never be worth that amount, even in his peak years.

But, the kid IS talented, just not WINGER talented, but certainly FAR more talented than Matri even in the finishing department. He works hard both on and off the pitch, he's a well behaved guy who we never heard an inkling of misbehaviour about, him and Balo are showing some great glimpses of link up play, he's very fast, something we need considering Kaka has lost his turn of pace and Balo isn't really that quick, he's still very young, and I think people forget that especially after what he did in his first months last season where he carried the team like a seasoned pro and not someone who's coming out of Serie B with barely a handful of Serie A games to his name from the previous season.

Taking all that into consideration, to bench him for a player like Matri is absolute madness, and no it won't be like Sheva and Gila, simply because Sheva was a completely different player to Balo and unlike Sheva, Balo likes to occupy the CF position on the pitch, which is where Matri would slot in because he can't do anything else.

And yes we spent 12m on Matri, but does that mean we have to use him? Even if he flops like a big fish on land? Matri was an unneeded player and the only way he should be used is as Balo's sub

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 7 2013, 09:21 AM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 7 2013, 09:45 AM) *
he's very fast

He's really not.

Posted by: acid911 Sep 7 2013, 10:05 AM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 7 2013, 02:21 PM) *
He's really not.

True, and he's a downright atrocious dribbler. mellow.gif Just watch his matches when he has the ball to his feet, he absolutely struggles to get past most midfielders and defenders. And the worrying part is that he did not actually improve this one bit during the course of the season.

Shaarawy has finishing abilities, hard work, head down kind of approach and he helps the defense immensely, unlike some of our recent forwards (Ibra and Balo come to mind). Point being, there is still room for massive improvements.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 7 2013, 12:19 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 7 2013, 09:21 AM) *
He's really not.

Have you actually seen him play? huh.gif

He's certainly the fastest player in our attack.

No he's not a good dribbler acid, which is why it's absolutely ridiculous that he's used as a winger. But that's not his fault

Posted by: acid911 Sep 7 2013, 12:30 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 7 2013, 05:19 PM) *
But that's not his fault

That's a very agreeable proposition. sleep.gif

Posted by: ganney Sep 7 2013, 06:49 PM

the real problem we're having here is lack of a proper vision shown by both the coach and the management

there's absolutely no correlation between the supposed youth project, the striker we eventually got and the amount spent.

let's go back a bit to selling pato in january for 15m, i never liked the idea, we really should have just sent him on a loan to rehabilitate himself, gain his fitness and confidence back, especially as we've now spent 12m on a 29yr old matri and we just extended the robinho deal ( another 29yr old who was soooo terrible last 6mths)

had pato gone on loan instead of an outright sale for a meager 15m our strike force would have been :

balo 23yrs (4m/season)
pato 24yrs (a renegotiated deal as his contract was winding down)
el-sha 20 yrs old (2m)
pazzini 29yrs (2.7m)
petagna- 18yrs (decent back-up happy for now to play for peanut wages) & other primavera kids like kingsley boateng have gotten the odd game or two

matri- would not have been bought for 12m (from juve) or given 2.6m/season for 4years
robinho- would have been sold/contract not extended/ given away to santos for next to nothing to get him off our squad
niang- given to genoa in exchange for a more useful player


Posted by: Bluesummers Sep 7 2013, 07:31 PM

The coach asked for Matri. Nothing more can be said. It's not a logical choice, it's a personal choice.

If he. Flops feel free. To. Hang Allegri. If he doesn't u gotta bite ur tongue

Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 7 2013, 09:33 PM

QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Sep 7 2013, 09:31 PM) *
The coach asked for Matri. Nothing more can be said. It's not a logical choice, it's a personal choice.

If he. Flops feel free. To. Hang Allegri. If he doesn't u gotta bite ur tongue

I did bite my tongue this morning after waking up in bed.

No fun.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 7 2013, 09:56 PM

QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Sep 7 2013, 07:31 PM) *
The coach asked for Matri. Nothing more can be said. It's not a logical choice, it's a personal choice.

If he. Flops feel free. To. Hang Allegri. If he doesn't u gotta bite ur tongue

Watched him in the the friendly we played today against Ciasso (Swiss team), he was absolutely terrible, everything from hold up play, finishing to simply controlling the ball and passing was just plain bad, and this was against a side that would probably struggle in Serie B

On the other hand you can already tell that Kaka is simply on a different wavelength of class than the other players that were on the pitch. Only De Jong and Mexes are anywhere near that level

Saponara came on in the second half, scored a goal and had some nice plays, Vergara looked a bit more promosing than he did in preseason, and a kid named Modic from the Primavera looked like a real talent for the future, don't know if you guys know anything about him

Posted by: acid911 Sep 8 2013, 01:02 AM

QUOTE (ganney @ Sep 7 2013, 11:49 PM) *
the real problem we're having here is lack of a proper vision shown by both the coach and the management

there's absolutely no correlation between the supposed youth project, the striker we eventually got and the amount spent.

let's go back a bit to selling pato in january for 15m, i never liked the idea, we really should have just sent him on a loan to rehabilitate himself, gain his fitness and confidence back, especially as we've now spent 12m on a 29yr old matri and we just extended the robinho deal ( another 29yr old who was soooo terrible last 6mths)

had pato gone on loan instead of an outright sale for a meager 15m our strike force would have been :

balo 23yrs (4m/season)
pato 24yrs (a renegotiated deal as his contract was winding down)
el-sha 20 yrs old (2m)
pazzini 29yrs (2.7m)
petagna- 18yrs (decent back-up happy for now to play for peanut wages) & other primavera kids like kingsley boateng have gotten the odd game or two

matri- would not have been bought for 12m (from juve) or given 2.6m/season for 4years
robinho- would have been sold/contract not extended/ given away to santos for next to nothing to get him off our squad
niang- given to genoa in exchange for a more useful player

Agreed once again! ohmy.gif With everything you posted! But I guess Galliani maliciously wanted Pato out, and Allegri did not want him either. I mean, you miss a penalty and then get crucified for all your past sins. I don't know whether Pato goes to the World Cup next year or not, but if Ancelotti stays at Madrid, I can see him going there.

Posted by: Jack Bauer Sep 8 2013, 01:43 AM

Don't know if he'll be back to europe soon, stats wise he's not that impressive - 14 goals and 2 assists in 41 games so far. But at least he's healthy and last week was called to the NT again. Really hope he can earn a world cup place.

Posted by: acid911 Sep 8 2013, 02:25 AM

True, speaking in terms of statistics he is yet to set the world on fire. smile.gif But Ancelottti liked Pato as a player, and if he can get him on cheap there is a slim chance that he may yet end up in Real Madrid. But like you I really hope he earns a World Cup place and tears it up in the tournament.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 8 2013, 08:08 AM

QUOTE (acid911 @ Sep 8 2013, 02:25 AM) *
True, speaking in terms of statistics he is yet to set the world on fire. smile.gif But Ancelottti liked Pato as a player, and if he can get him on cheap there is a slim chance that he may yet end up in Real Madrid. But like you I really hope he earns a World Cup place and tears it up in the tournament.

I really hope he doesn't end up at Madrid! At Real there is simply no place for someone like him, there's no patience for a player to rehabilitate and get back to his best, you're either great or you're out. Madrid is the last place he should go.

Posted by: acid911 Sep 8 2013, 08:11 AM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 8 2013, 01:08 PM) *
I really hope he doesn't end up at Madrid! At Real there is simply no place for someone like him, there's no patience for a player to rehabilitate and get back to his best, you're either great or you're out. Madrid is the last place he should go.

Unless Ancelotti is the coach, that is. laugh.gif Pato was brought down by his injuries and nothing else. I vividly remember watching a video comparing him to Benzama a few years back. And from what I have seen of both, Pato is twice the payer Benzama ever will be. It's just his idiotic injuries that meant the guy never built momentum.

But if Benzama can play at Real, someone like Pato with Carlo by his side, will thrive!

Posted by: han2503 Sep 8 2013, 08:17 AM

QUOTE (acid911 @ Sep 8 2013, 08:11 AM) *
Unless Ancelotti is the coach, that is. laugh.gif Pato was brought down by his injuries and nothing else. I vividly remember watching a video comparing him to Benzama a few years back. And from what I have seen of both, Pato is twice the payer Benzama ever will be. It's just his idiotic injuries that meant the guy never built momentum.

But if Benzama can play at Real, someone like Pato with Carlo by his side, will thrive!

Pato never actually had injuries until he bulked up so much and that was the summer when Carlo left and Leo came in, the muscle injuries started during Leo's season and then escalated from there.

And yes, I agree that Pato has more natural talent than Benzema but his injuries, loss of form and fitness have set him back years in his development, and Carlo or not, I really can't see him thriving in an environment like Real or Barca, where pressure to be inch perfect (especially for attackers) is just ridiculous.

I can see him making a move to Spain though, maybe Atletico or Valencia where the pressure is less and he can recover at his own pace

Posted by: acid911 Sep 8 2013, 08:22 AM

Yeah, well as long as he does. mellow.gif Sad to see as shining star fade away, a real talent disappear!

Posted by: ganney Sep 8 2013, 10:54 AM

QUOTE (acid911 @ Sep 8 2013, 09:11 AM) *
Unless Ancelotti is the coach, that is. laugh.gif Pato was brought down by his injuries and nothing else. I vividly remember watching a video comparing him to Benzama a few years back. And from what I have seen of both, Pato is twice the payer Benzama ever will be. It's just his idiotic injuries that meant the guy never built momentum.

But if Benzama can play at Real, someone like Pato with Carlo by his side, will thrive!


we simply gave up on pato too easily, with all the injuries he still delivered 63 goals in 150 appearance at his age, knowing that strikers generally peak between 26-32 yrs we should have given him more time.....funny he reminds me a bit of v.Persie who struggled with injuries earlier in his career but arsenal kept him as a squad player (who only delivered below double figures once in 8years) and he went on to play 3good seasons for them and 1good title winning season for man.u.... it will really suck to watch the duck go on to play his best football elsewhere while we cope with allegri's wonder striker

Posted by: acid911 Sep 8 2013, 11:34 AM

QUOTE (ganney @ Sep 8 2013, 03:54 PM) *
we simply gave up on pato too easily, with all the injuries he still delivered 63 goals in 150 appearance at his age, knowing that strikers generally peak between 26-32 yrs we should have given him more time.....funny he reminds me a bit of v.Persie who struggled with injuries earlier in his career but arsenal kept him as a squad player (who only delivered below double figures once in 8years) and he went on to play 3good seasons for them and 1good title winning season for man.u.... it will really suck to watch the duck go on to play his best football elsewhere while we cope with allegri's wonder striker

Stop making sense, man. laugh.gif I have to keep agreeing with you, LOL. And yeah, we gave up on him much too early, in the sense that we were there in the last stretch, an year or two, another season or two. I have to believe maybe the duds and quacks knew that they had wrecked the kid something bad.

I mean we have Niang we has scored a titanic 0 goals so far. Anyway, a contract extension at a lower amount was all that was needed, just tied to his performance or something like that. Now with Kaka back, and Balotelli by his side, he had all the potential to tear up opponents. Oh well.

Posted by: ganney Sep 8 2013, 12:30 PM

QUOTE (acid911 @ Sep 8 2013, 12:34 PM) *
Stop making sense, man. laugh.gif I have to keep agreeing with you, LOL. And yeah, we gave up on him much too early, in the sense that we were there in the last stretch, an year or two, another season or two. I have to believe maybe the duds and quacks knew that they had wrecked the kid something bad.

I mean we have Niang we has scored a titanic 0 goals so far. Anyway, a contract extension at a lower amount was all that was needed, just tied to his performance or something like that. Now with Kaka back, and Balotelli by his side, he had all the potential to tear up opponents. Oh well.


biggrin.gif i very much agree with all your points too... the quacks probably messed him up for good

Posted by: mishie Sep 8 2013, 05:53 PM

Pato will probably end up at Spurs this january

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 8 2013, 07:29 PM

I hope so, he'll be a disaster there.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 8 2013, 07:40 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 8 2013, 07:29 PM) *
I hope so, he'll be a disaster there.

Agreed, can't see his fragile self cutting it in the EPL.

Spain is his best shot at getting back to anywhere near where he was

Posted by: KillerMax Sep 10 2013, 11:08 PM

http://www.football-italia.net/39336/honda-milan-not-only-option

Great! rolleyes.gif

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 10 2013, 11:11 PM

QUOTE (KillerMax @ Sep 11 2013, 01:08 AM) *
http://www.football-italia.net/39336/honda-milan-not-only-option

Great! rolleyes.gif


Kaka's arrival might have played a role in that.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 11 2013, 08:10 AM

QUOTE (KillerMax @ Sep 10 2013, 11:08 PM) *
http://www.football-italia.net/39336/honda-milan-not-only-option

Great! rolleyes.gif

Last I read he has signed a pre-contract with us, thus all the meetings between his agent and Milan officials in Via Turati. Everything has already been agreed upon from wages to duration.

I can't see him joining another club, Barca were interested but if he's afraid of competition from Kaka, at Barca it's 10 times worse, Everton were another option but he might as well stay in Russia, at least he's playing regular CL football.

Personally I think there's a less than 1% chance that he signs for a team other than Milan.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 11 2013, 10:14 AM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 11 2013, 10:10 AM) *
Last I read he has signed a pre-contract with us, thus all the meetings between his agent and Milan officials in Via Turati. Everything has already been agreed upon from wages to duration.

I can't see him joining another club, Barca were interested but if he's afraid of competition from Kaka, at Barca it's 10 times worse, Everton were another option but he might as well stay in Russia, at least he's playing regular CL football.

Personally I think there's a less than 1% chance that he signs for a team other than Milan.


So why did he say that? unsure.gif

Posted by: han2503 Sep 11 2013, 10:22 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 11 2013, 10:14 AM) *
So why did he say that? unsure.gif

Who knows, but it's also been heavily reported that the #10 was reserved for when he signs.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 11 2013, 04:44 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 11 2013, 12:22 PM) *
Who knows, but it's also been heavily reported that the #10 was reserved for when he signs.


Rumors. Honda's words are facts.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 11 2013, 08:57 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 11 2013, 04:44 PM) *
Rumors. Honda's words are facts.

But every publication, including Gazzetta and mediaset basically agree that everything with Milan has basically been agreed upon.

Who knows, I just think we'll sign him in January

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 11 2013, 09:03 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 11 2013, 10:57 PM) *
But every publication, including Gazzetta and mediaset basically agree that everything with Milan has basically been agreed upon.


Again, rumors. If Honda says Milan may not be the only option, then I think we haven't signed squat. Otherwise he wouldn't be saying that if he had already signed for us.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 11 2013, 09:15 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 11 2013, 09:03 PM) *
Again, rumors. If Honda says Milan may not be the only option, then I think we haven't signed squat. Otherwise he wouldn't be saying that if he had already signed for us.

Well agreed terms and signing a pre-contract are 2 different things, but we've obviously agreed something with his agents since they've had something like 3 or 4 meetings this summer, the last one being on the last few days of the window when CSKA had apparently given us the okay but some partner of theirs blocked the move.

Who knows, maybe he's giving Milan the signal that he has other options. Because if there was no pre-contract signed he might be worried that Milan have cooled off their interest now that we have Kaka. Could be some sort of passive-aggressive threat to Milan that he won't wait around if they aren't sure anymore.

Posted by: littlechris Sep 11 2013, 10:03 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 11 2013, 10:15 PM) *
Well agreed terms and signing a pre-contract are 2 different things, but we've obviously agreed something with his agents since they've had something like 3 or 4 meetings this summer, the last one being on the last few days of the window when CSKA had apparently given us the okay but some partner of theirs blocked the move.

Who knows, maybe he's giving Milan the signal that he has other options. Because if there was no pre-contract signed he might be worried that Milan have cooled off their interest now that we have Kaka. Could be some sort of passive-aggressive threat to Milan that he won't wait around if they aren't sure anymore.


As much as I fancy Honda here in winter, if he is going to act funny in January I suggest we go get Nainggollan. He is younger, more energetic with proven Serie A experience and he won't be UCL tied too. €10M or less could be enough to sign him from Cagliari. Thank God we have Kaka now, + Saponara is a massive prospect for the trequartista.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 11 2013, 10:10 PM

Naingolan ain't that great, plus he's a CM and isn't really an alternative to Honda.

Add to that, Juve want him so we're automatically priced out even if we would have actually wanted him. Cagliari want an arm and a leg for their players, it's not really worth it imo as none of them are that great to begin with

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 11 2013, 10:13 PM

QUOTE (littlechris @ Sep 12 2013, 12:03 AM) *
As much as I fancy Honda here in winter, if he is going to act funny in January I suggest we go get Nainggollan. He is younger, more energetic with proven Serie A experience and he won't be UCL tied too. €10M or less could be enough to sign him from Cagliari. Thank God we have Kaka now, + Saponara is a massive prospect for the trequartista.


Honda would be coming for free, Nainggolan for not less than €15 million.

Posted by: servbot Sep 12 2013, 12:11 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 11 2013, 04:03 PM) *
Again, rumors. If Honda says Milan may not be the only option, then I think we haven't signed squat. Otherwise he wouldn't be saying that if he had already signed for us.


+1

Reading that statement from Honda makes it seem that only a verbal agreement was reached, nothing signed. And that makes me nervous because a verbal agreement is only meaningful if both parties are 100% ethical.

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Sep 12 2013, 03:53 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 11 2013, 06:13 PM) *
Honda would be coming for free, Nainggolan for not less than €15 million.

Considering the fact Inter and Juve would be hunting for his signature, and that Cellino is in no rush to sell him, i wouldnt be suprised if he was holding out for 20M...a fee no italian team would pay...

Considering we could purchase the other half of Poli for something like 4-6M, with a healthy squad, i wouldnt even mind not signing a mid* What's more, the only jersey i want at the moment is Poli's, but there is no chance that my money will go into furthering the crappy co-own half-measures...

Winter objectives (barring big injuries):
-dispose of a forward (loan out Niang or sell SES)
-sign Honda and loan out Saponara

Posted by: han2503 Sep 12 2013, 08:53 AM

QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Sep 12 2013, 03:53 AM) *
Considering the fact Inter and Juve would be hunting for his signature, and that Cellino is in no rush to sell him, i wouldnt be suprised if he was holding out for 20M...a fee no italian team would pay...

Considering we could purchase the other half of Poli for something like 4-6M, with a healthy squad, i wouldnt even mind not signing a mid* What's more, the only jersey i want at the moment is Poli's, but there is no chance that my money will go into furthering the crappy co-own half-measures...

Winter objectives (barring big injuries):
-dispose of a forward (loan out Niang or sell SES)
-sign Honda and loan out Saponara

?

Aside from Niang and Honda those moves make absolutely no sense.

Saponara and SES? 2 of our most talented young players instead of the real deadweight in this team that does absolutely nothing but sit on the bench and earn their huge wages?

I can give you a very long list of who SHOULD be sold and none of those include our best and brightest young players.

I mean some of you guys are as baffling as our management. You moan and whine about youth for years and now that we have actual talented youth that is wanted by many other clubs you want to sell them or loan them because you don't have the patience to deal with the up and down of what youth entails. These are not players in their mid 20s at their peaks. These are guys who are just starting out and need time to fully develop.

Regarding Honda, I just think that he will come. The reasons as to why he said what he did could be numerous. But all his other options aren't really that attractive, plus he's a self confessed Milan fan. It's probably just him being worried about whether Milan are interested or not now that we've brought Kaka, so he's keeping other doors open just in case.

Posted by: Babis911 Sep 30 2013, 02:40 PM

http://www.sport24.gr/football/omades/Milan/paei_gia_to_mpam_me_kasigias_ton_ianoyario.2434339.html

Site in Greece (actually the article is written in spanish "sport" newspaper) claim that there are rumors about Casillas moving to AC Milan in January transfer period.

That Casillas is positive cause he wants to get some games before world cup in Brazil and that good relationships btw Milan and Real will further help the move.

Last mentioned is also the interest shown by other clubs like Borussia and Arsenal.

Posted by: acid911 Sep 30 2013, 02:53 PM

Fat chance of this happening! unsure.gif But I'll take him without a thought. biggrin.gif Casillas is class!

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 30 2013, 03:20 PM

Not good enough. There's a reason he was dropped. The media liked to put forward the idea it was an ego thing with Mourinho, how do they explain it now? He was terrible under Mourinho consistantly making mistakes.

Posted by: acid911 Sep 30 2013, 04:46 PM

I know. sleepysmiley03.gif But he's good enough compared to the stooges we put up between goalposts.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 30 2013, 05:06 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 30 2013, 03:20 PM) *
Not good enough. There's a reason he was dropped. The media liked to put forward the idea it was an ego thing with Mourinho, how do they explain it now? He was terrible under Mourinho consistantly making mistakes.

Next to Abbiati? He's still a God! Abbiati is making mistakes on a weekly basis.

But Casillas would cost us an arm and a leg wage-wise.

Posted by: Jack Bauer Sep 30 2013, 05:16 PM

Casillas had a rocky season but he's still a top keeper that would start on most teams. RM wise, Diego Lopez is in absolutely fanstatic shape since he moved to Madrid and earned that starting place.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 30 2013, 05:58 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 30 2013, 06:06 PM) *
Next to Abbiati? He's still a God! Abbiati is making mistakes on a weekly basis.

But Casillas would cost us an arm and a leg wage-wise.

Casillas over the past 18 months has been as bad as Dida was at his worst. Fortunately they had a manager with the strength to drop a legend.

Posted by: Zed.D Sep 30 2013, 07:10 PM

I'd sign Iker in a heartbeat. after what they did to Raul, this rumor doesn't strike me as bullshit (unless it turns out it is bullshit).

Since he's a genuinely world class GK and proved that for about a decade, he can get back to his best. it's that simple in my eyes.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Sep 30 2013, 09:25 PM

QUOTE (acid911 @ Sep 30 2013, 05:53 PM) *
Fat chance of this happening! unsure.gif But I'll take him without a thought. biggrin.gif Casillas is class!


Class he is king.gif

But Kurt wasn't the main dispute about him revealing to his journalist/girlfriend RM internal stuff? Like locker room discussions etc? And she goes off hinting at things in public? Maybe I could be mistaken, and he really did loose form.

But I would accept him with open arms at Milan. As for the wage, we have a cap of 4MM, he accepts it or he moves to Dortmund/Arsenal. We didn't budge for Balo, Kaka or any player of notable quality out there, hence I doubt Galliani would offer an arm and leg. If he wants a WC place, he should move, and to Milan all the better.


Posted by: han2503 Sep 30 2013, 09:59 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Sep 30 2013, 09:25 PM) *
Class he is king.gif

But Kurt wasn't the main dispute about him revealing to his journalist/girlfriend RM internal stuff? Like locker room discussions etc? And she goes off hinting at things in public? Maybe I could be mistaken, and he really did loose form.

But I would accept him with open arms at Milan. As for the wage, we have a cap of 4MM, he accepts it or he moves to Dortmund/Arsenal. We didn't budge for Balo, Kaka or any player of notable quality out there, hence I doubt Galliani would offer an arm and leg. If he wants a WC place, he should move, and to Milan all the better.

But how many players on 4m can we realistically afford? If we sign any more, it's really going to make the we needed to sell Silva and Zlatan talk more BS than they already were if we're going to pump up our wages to these levels again. We've already exceeded the 100m mark this season something we managed to go below last season

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 30 2013, 11:57 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Sep 30 2013, 10:25 PM) *
Maybe I could be mistaken, and he really did loose form.

He was really awful. He essentially cost RM any chance of the title within the first month of that season. Lopez is simply the better keeper nowadays.

Posted by: Ry4n Oct 1 2013, 02:15 AM

On the topic of goalkeepers the last game against Samp i don't know if everyone caught it but the commentators were talking about Abbiati and having a not crisis but confidence issue which is why the defence does'nt trust him coming for balls so they clear it and rather not have Abbiati stuck in no mans land. But there comments really reminded me of Kalac and Dida when they played i can remember when the defence back then didn't trust there goalkeeper and i think right now with Abbiati having crap form the defence won't trust him more and more so unless our defence has a few unshaky games we're defenatley going to be conceding goals..

Not only that but the i think the word i'm looking for , for the whole team is complacency right now only a few players know what they are doing and do it with confidence on the pitch and for me thats Poli everyone else is waiting a spark or something.

my 2cents.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Oct 4 2013, 08:50 PM

Akinfeev being linked with us now.. I think we might go for him as his contract is expiring in summer so reduced fee or free.. ideal milan transfer

http://football-italia.net/40241/milan-target-akinfeev-report

Posted by: acid911 Oct 4 2013, 09:35 PM

All for him. smile.gif We missed out on a few good future prospects, domestically and abroad, if he is coming, then make it happen as soon as possible. Abbiati leaks us 3-10 points every season, which a better goalkeeper may be able to prevent. And this season we just can't afford shenanigans like this.

Posted by: drucurl Oct 5 2013, 02:56 PM

If P!rlo comes back then fvck Milan seriously mad.gif

Posted by: acid911 Oct 5 2013, 03:01 PM

The sucker will go to Madrid. sleep.gif

Posted by: han2503 Oct 5 2013, 04:25 PM

QUOTE (acid911 @ Oct 5 2013, 03:01 PM) *
The sucker will go to Madrid. sleep.gif

Like Madrid would every have space for him

Posted by: acid911 Oct 5 2013, 04:32 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 5 2013, 09:25 PM) *
Like Madrid would every have space for him

But Carlo would. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Oct 6 2013, 11:24 AM

QUOTE (drucurl @ Oct 5 2013, 05:56 PM) *
If P!rlo comes back then fvck Milan seriously mad.gif


If I had a penny every time that was said, Warren Buffet who? 96.gif

Posted by: han2503 Oct 8 2013, 04:43 PM

QUOTE
Rami agrees to join Milan - report

Spanish newspaper AS report that Adil Rami has reached an agreement today to join Milan in January on loan from Valencia.

It was reported on Tuesday morning that the Rossoneri were in talks with the player and Los Che over a proposal to sign the 27-year-old in the winter market on a provisional six-month loan deal.

On from Rami reportedly meeting with Milan officials today, it is understood that an agreement has been reached between all parties.

AS say that alongside the player accepting the deal, Milan have accepted Valencia’s request to take on Rami’s full salary from the start of January through to the end of the season.

It is also understood that the Italians have agreed to a €7m purchase option to then make the deal permanent next summer, which, if activated, would sign the player to a four-year contract.

Whilst Milan will only take up payment of the player’s wages after registering him in the winter market, it is understood that he will leave Valencia immediately.

Anyone know if he's any good?

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 8 2013, 07:04 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 8 2013, 06:43 PM) *
Anyone know if he's any good?


He was a regular for Valencia for the past two seasons, and was a starter under Blanc in Euro 2012 alongside Mexes. For some reason I'm not aware of he's been left out of the team so far at Valencia. 27 years old, has relative experience, would come on loan. I'd take him.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Oct 8 2013, 10:08 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 8 2013, 07:43 PM) *
Anyone know if he's any good?


Define good? tongue.gif

Posted by: han2503 Oct 8 2013, 10:24 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Oct 8 2013, 10:08 PM) *
Define good? tongue.gif

As long as he's better than Zapata then it's good for me

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Oct 9 2013, 06:47 AM

From what I've seen and read, he fills one important gap. He is good in the air. He is also good with the ball at his feet, so he can play sweeper.

On the flip side, he loses concentration at times (my opinion). And often he has to compensate with some sort of wild move, which when it comes off makes him look spectacular but otherwise rolleyes.gif - but if he'd had his head screwed on right he wouldn't need to have made it in the first place.

In other words, I worry we've got another Mexes. As long as they don't both lose their heads at the same time, it could be a potent combo. biggrin.gif

EDIT:
Here is an interesting article on him. http://sabotagetimes.com/reportage/adil-rami-everything-arsenal-need-to-know-about-their-next-centre-back/

Posted by: nuh Oct 9 2013, 08:15 AM

as long as we are eying valencia players we might as well go for ever banega too

Posted by: kdman Oct 9 2013, 09:38 AM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Oct 9 2013, 07:47 AM) *
From what I've seen and read, he fills one important gap. He is good in the air. He is also good with the ball at his feet, so he can play sweeper.

On the flip side, he loses concentration at times (my opinion). And often he has to compensate with some sort of wild move, which when it comes off makes him look spectacular but otherwise rolleyes.gif - but if he'd had his head screwed on right he wouldn't need to have made it in the first place.

In other words, I worry we've got another Mexes. As long as they don't both lose their heads at the same time, it could be a potent combo. biggrin.gif

EDIT:
Here is an interesting article on him. http://sabotagetimes.com/reportage/adil-rami-everything-arsenal-need-to-know-about-their-next-centre-back/


Thanks for that link. It gave us a little peek into the kind of player/person he is. Seems he'd be a bit better than Mexes/Zapata, but nothing special really. But we need someone to shore up. So now we can boast of 6 average CBs in our team. Great laugh.gif

Posted by: han2503 Oct 9 2013, 09:55 AM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Oct 9 2013, 06:47 AM) *
From what I've seen and read, he fills one important gap. He is good in the air. He is also good with the ball at his feet, so he can play sweeper.

On the flip side, he loses concentration at times (my opinion). And often he has to compensate with some sort of wild move, which when it comes off makes him look spectacular but otherwise rolleyes.gif - but if he'd had his head screwed on right he wouldn't need to have made it in the first place.

In other words, I worry we've got another Mexes. As long as they don't both lose their heads at the same time, it could be a potent combo. biggrin.gif

EDIT:
Here is an interesting article on him. http://sabotagetimes.com/reportage/adil-rami-everything-arsenal-need-to-know-about-their-next-centre-back/

Before I got to the bolded part I was thinking; "hmm, so Mexes 2.0"

Anyway, they played together for Fance apparently so it's not something completely foreign to either of them. Hopefully they can form a strong pairing, because Zapata is seriously pissing me off this season

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Oct 11 2013, 08:55 AM

I believe Rami is almost final.. he will start training with Milan from next week..

Posted by: han2503 Oct 11 2013, 10:17 AM

QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Oct 11 2013, 08:55 AM) *
I believe Rami is almost final.. he will start training with Milan from next week..

Done deal apparently.

I think it's a good move, him and Mexes will form a solid partnership together considering they've played together before. He looks good from the vids I've seen, of course you can't tell based on just that, but I'm hopeful.

Honda, Rami and maybe a CM/DM in January will really give us a boost.

But we need to sell some players as well. Niang should be loaned out ASAP and maybe Nocerino should also be sold

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 11 2013, 11:51 AM

Abbiati
Abate - Mexes - Rami - MDS
Poli - De Jong - Monto
Kaká
Balotelli - Pazzini

Posted by: acid911 Oct 11 2013, 12:45 PM

You haven't factored in the injuries, bub. sleep.gif And the suspensions. And Allegri. And Muntari. And Matri.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Oct 11 2013, 02:14 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 11 2013, 12:51 PM) *
Abbiati
Abate - Mexes - Rami - MDS
Poli - De Jong - Monto
Kaká
Balotelli - Pazzini



at this point abbiati is unacceptable for me..

We have managed to get cheap deal for CB, and hopefully Midfield (Honda). I think we need to spend big for long term keeper solution.

Assuming that we tackle our injuries then with these three above transfers we are good to go.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 11 2013, 02:32 PM

Agreed. It's not like he's of an age where he will improve, he's making a lot of mistakes and needs o be replaced.

Posted by: Jack Bauer Oct 11 2013, 04:20 PM

Yep, but it probably won't happen till summer.

Posted by: acid911 Oct 11 2013, 04:31 PM

QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Oct 11 2013, 09:20 PM) *
Yep, but it won't happen for a few summers.

Fixed it for ya! wink.gif

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 11 2013, 06:23 PM

QUOTE (acid911 @ Oct 11 2013, 02:45 PM) *
You haven't factored in the injuries, bub. sleep.gif And the suspensions. And Allegri. And Muntari. And Matri.


Well, I was just posting the best possible line-up we can field in January, without taking into account any external factors.

QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Oct 11 2013, 04:14 PM) *
at this point abbiati is unacceptable for me..

We have managed to get cheap deal for CB, and hopefully Midfield (Honda). I think we need to spend big for long term keeper solution.

Assuming that we tackle our injuries then with these three above transfers we are good to go.


I know man, he needs to go, or at least we need to find a better keeper. But I can't see that happening this winter.

Posted by: acid911 Oct 11 2013, 06:48 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 11 2013, 11:23 PM) *
Well, I was just posting the best possible line-up we can field in January, without taking into account any external factors.

I know, and I was just letting off some steam. sad.gif Far too many factors influence the club at the moment, and well, I'd be surprised if I see this team selection for two straight weeks, if I see it at all, that is.

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Oct 14 2013, 10:50 PM

Rumors are that we are looking at Casillas and Forster...

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Oct 15 2013, 12:21 PM

just read on football-italia news paper thread that according to tutto sports Milan is looking for a buyer in Abu Dhabi

Posted by: han2503 Oct 15 2013, 02:30 PM

QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Oct 15 2013, 12:21 PM) *
just read on football-italia news paper thread that according to tutto sports Milan is looking for a buyer in Abu Dhabi

Meh, I'll believe it when I see it. This selling rumour has been going around for a while now but nothing ever comes of it

Posted by: Danny Oct 15 2013, 03:18 PM

QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Oct 14 2013, 09:50 PM) *
Rumors are that we are looking at Casillas and Forster...


Casillas rumour been doing the rounds for some time, but the Forster story broke yesterday.

As a Rangers fan this one has me somewhat torn.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Oct 15 2013, 06:37 PM

there is somehting about allegri future at milan on milannews. the google translator is not that good on .. I beleive x-offender or anyone else who understands italian can look into it and hopefully tell us what is it

http://www.milannews.it/primo-piano/accordo-allegri-societa-deciso-il-ritiro-125696

Posted by: han2503 Oct 15 2013, 08:37 PM

QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Oct 15 2013, 06:37 PM) *
there is somehting about allegri future at milan on milannews. the google translator is not that good on .. I beleive x-offender or anyone else who understands italian can look into it and hopefully tell us what is it

http://www.milannews.it/primo-piano/accordo-allegri-societa-deciso-il-ritiro-125696

My Italian is shabby at best but I don't think that's about his future but more about the team's future

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Oct 15 2013, 09:08 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 15 2013, 09:37 PM) *
My Italian is shabby at best but I don't think that's about his future but more about the team's future

damn it

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 16 2013, 02:41 AM

It's about the team spending the night before the Udinese game at Milanello. It's called 'ritiro' in Italian, and Allegri along with Galliani have decided it as a punitive measure for the poor performance against Caen.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 16 2013, 11:00 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 16 2013, 02:41 AM) *
It's about the team spending the night before the Udinese game at Milanello. It's called 'ritiro' in Italian, and Allegri along with Galliani have decided it as a punitive measure for the poor performance against Caen.

Lol, just ridiculous. What a joke we are.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 16 2013, 02:36 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 16 2013, 01:00 PM) *
Lol, just ridiculous. What a joke we are.


Well, a lot of teams actually do it in Italy when they have a consecutive strike of bad results. Inter's done it, Roma's done it. But I agree, it's stupid.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 16 2013, 07:25 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 16 2013, 02:36 PM) *
Well, a lot of teams actually do it in Italy when they have a consecutive strike of bad results. Inter's done it, Roma's done it. But I agree, it's stupid.

Yeah, I know, but it's a complete joke because it's an obvious case of major denial. Going into a ritiro will fix jack sh!t. The problem is the coach and until he is removed we will continue to play as we currently are

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Oct 19 2013, 05:04 PM

So apparantly Kaka could go to LA Galaxy in January if we get Honda...i don't think we're that lucky...

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 19 2013, 05:49 PM

QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Oct 19 2013, 07:04 PM) *
So apparantly Kaka could go to LA Galaxy in January if we get Honda...i don't think we're that lucky...


Not happening.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 19 2013, 06:17 PM

QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Oct 19 2013, 05:04 PM) *
So apparantly Kaka could go to LA Galaxy in January if we get Honda...i don't think we're that lucky...

I think this is a recycled rumour from when we got him.

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Oct 19 2013, 07:06 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 19 2013, 01:49 PM) *
Not happening.

As i said, we're not that lucky

QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 19 2013, 02:17 PM) *
I think this is a recycled rumour from when we got him.

i know...but one could hope tongue.gif

Posted by: han2503 Oct 19 2013, 07:18 PM

QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Oct 19 2013, 07:06 PM) *
As i said, we're not that lucky


i know...but one could hope tongue.gif

Why?

We really haven't seen what Kaka can bring to the table for us, and if Allegri is really going to switch to a 4-2-3-1 BECAUSE we have BOTH Kaka and Honda then why would you not want him to stay?

I think Kaka still has a lot to offer, he's been unfortunate so far but I'm still expecting him to make a mark on this side, we need a leader in this team, and Kaka can be that for us for the next few years.

I was watching the training vids on youtube yesterday, and he's still the fastest sprinter in this side, plus all his other technical abilities are still intact

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 19 2013, 07:22 PM

QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Oct 19 2013, 09:06 PM) *
As i said, we're not that lucky


i know...but one could hope tongue.gif


Yes, let's get rid of Kaká and make Birsa a starter. Champions League, here we come!

rolleyes.gif

Posted by: han2503 Oct 19 2013, 07:44 PM

It's his master plan... biggrin.gif

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Oct 19 2013, 11:16 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 19 2013, 03:22 PM) *
Yes, let's get rid of Kaká and make Birsa a starter. Champions League, here we come!

rolleyes.gif
you forgot the point where we sign Ilicic, Matavz, Kurtic and Handanovic and dance around mid-table forever tongue.gif

No but i just remembered Kaka's injury=no pay pledge and have changed my mind... For the amount of dead wages spent (money spent on the injured) i think Kaka is too likely to burden us then not and the sooner we learn to rely on more stable fixtures in our squad and rely less on hot heads (mexes, Balo...), injury prone players (well....everyone...) and the overall triangulated cohort of purposelessness (zaccardo, Matri, Muntari), the better.

So long as he tries his utmost to rub off on our squad (SES, Saponara and Niang could certainly all pick up a few tricks playing and training alongside him. Not only that but we might see less overall injuries if Kaka plays regularly as i'm convinced half of our injuries are bullshit and players may miraculously heal and try harder in practice if the prospects of starting a CL game side-by-side Kaka became available.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 20 2013, 01:02 AM

QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Oct 20 2013, 01:16 AM) *
you forgot the point where we sign Ilicic, Matavz, Kurtic and Handanovic and dance around mid-table forever tongue.gif

No but i just remembered Kaka's injury=no pay pledge and have changed my mind... For the amount of dead wages spent (money spent on the injured) i think Kaka is too likely to burden us then not and the sooner we learn to rely on more stable fixtures in our squad and rely less on hot heads (mexes, Balo...), injury prone players (well....everyone...) and the overall triangulated cohort of purposelessness (zaccardo, Matri, Muntari), the better.

So long as he tries his utmost to rub off on our squad (SES, Saponara and Niang could certainly all pick up a few tricks playing and training alongside him. Not only that but we might see less overall injuries if Kaka plays regularly as i'm convinced half of our injuries are bullshit and players may miraculously heal and try harder in practice if the prospects of starting a CL game side-by-side Kaka became available.


Sorry, but I find your post confusing. What exactly are you trying to say?

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 20 2013, 10:23 AM

Ahhh, ain't gonna happen anyway, so why bother?

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 20 2013, 11:46 AM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 20 2013, 12:23 PM) *
Ahhh, ain't gonna happen anyway, so why bother?


What ain't gonna happen?

Posted by: han2503 Oct 20 2013, 01:56 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 20 2013, 11:46 AM) *
What ain't gonna happen?

Kaka going to LA in January...? unsure.gif

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 20 2013, 02:45 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 20 2013, 03:56 PM) *
Kaka going to LA in January...? unsure.gif


Oh, right.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 20 2013, 03:13 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 20 2013, 03:56 PM) *
Kaka going to LA in January...? unsure.gif

Yep, this.

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Oct 29 2013, 11:50 PM




AC Milan's (4-2-3-1) formation - Starting from January 2014 according to #Gazzetta




Posted by: han2503 Oct 30 2013, 11:17 AM

QUOTE (TriniKing_CE @ Oct 29 2013, 11:50 PM) *

AC Milan's (4-2-3-1) formation - Starting from January 2014 according to #Gazzetta


Under the right direction that could be really something special

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 30 2013, 11:38 AM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 30 2013, 01:17 PM) *
Under the right direction that could be really something special


Key words: "under the right direction".

Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 30 2013, 12:35 PM

SES - Kaka' - Honda will be one of the most overrated AM groups in the football World.

Posted by: dst Oct 30 2013, 01:49 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Oct 30 2013, 12:35 PM) *
SES - Kaka' - Honda will be one of the most overrated AM groups in the football World.

Who's going to overrate them, nobody watches Milan games.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 30 2013, 03:10 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Oct 30 2013, 12:35 PM) *
SES - Kaka' - Honda will be one of the most overrated AM groups in the football World.

Like dst said, who will be overrating them?

I think as players they're all pretty underrated atm. Everyone believes Kaka is done for, Honda is someone who's stayed under the radar for years because he was at CSKA and not at some English club and SES is slightly overrated as a young player but certainly not to stratospheric proportions

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 30 2013, 06:01 PM

I wanna see how Saponara develops in these months. If he manages to show promise, I'd prefer him over El Shaa on the left.

Posted by: dst Oct 30 2013, 08:53 PM

ElSha is definitely overrated, I never thought highly of him and I'm pretty sure he's never going to be a special player.

Posted by: acid911 Oct 30 2013, 09:07 PM

For all we know he may just be shipped out come January. unsure.gif So there's that aspect of it.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 30 2013, 09:12 PM

QUOTE (acid911 @ Oct 30 2013, 11:07 PM) *
For all we know he may just be shipped out come January. unsure.gif So there's that aspect of it.


If we can get +20 million I'd sell him on the spot.

Posted by: acid911 Oct 30 2013, 09:30 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 31 2013, 02:12 AM) *
If we can get +20 million I'd sell him on the spot.

Yeah, that would probably break us even, I was hoping for 30 million to 40 million. huh.gif We shall see, either he goes or Balotelli goes, because really, with the arrival of Kaka and more players incoming, Balo is back to his slacky and lazy ways again. Had we Ibra instead of him, we'd be sitting in fifth, if not third.

But yeah, 20 plus million, and he seems to me a goner, agreed.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 30 2013, 09:44 PM

I find this "I hate SES" trend going on right now on this forum seriously strange. I'm not a huge fan of his, but all this hate makes me want to stand up for the kid.

I don't think we'll sell him, not this winter. And certainly not for 20m considering we got a 30m+ offer for him in the summer.

We've only seen a seriously small fraction of what SES can do, let's give him a chance to play a full season or 2 before making such harsh judgments

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 30 2013, 09:48 PM

I don't think anyone hates him. But he is overrated.

Posted by: acid911 Oct 30 2013, 09:50 PM

Well, speaking for myself, I don't really hate anything, let along someone like El Shaarawy. smile.gif Though like you, I am not a fan of his, Han, and think of him as a good prospect that we plucked out of Serie B. What I do know is that he's just another golden goose that Galliani will take to the sacrifice temple, if he gets the right amount of $$$.

What I do also know is that the guy is not improving upon his game, one bit. Not even half as good as Pato to begin with, and while the duck too stalled, Shaarway is just standing on a standstill right now, and he is not even as developed as the Brazilian we recently offloaded.

You prospects, particularly strikers, have to improve their overall game, constantly and consistently.

Posted by: acid911 Oct 30 2013, 09:53 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 31 2013, 02:48 AM) *
I don't think anyone hates him. But he is overrated.

Oh yeah, and that too. wink.gif Everything and everyone can be overrated, in capacities large or small. El Shaarawy is massively overrated in this respect. FIFA 14 cover, you have got to be kidding me. I thought one had to be a good player before something like this, and all his other promotional endeavors.

Just show the results on the pitch on a constant basis, and then he can be rated normally, or even underrated. But right now, he is just hyped up, and the kid is doing little (also not helped by the coach) to improve.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 30 2013, 10:09 PM

QUOTE (acid911 @ Oct 30 2013, 11:50 PM) *
Well, speaking for myself, I don't really hate anything, let along someone like El Shaarawy. smile.gif Though like you, I am not a fan of his, Han, and think of him as a good prospect that we plucked out of Serie B. What I do know is that he's just another golden goose that Galliani will take to the sacrifice temple, if he gets the right amount of $$$.

What I do also know is that the guy is not improving upon his game, one bit. Not even half as good as Pato to begin with, and while the duck too stalled, Shaarway is just standing on a standstill right now, and he is not even as developed as the Brazilian we recently offloaded.

You prospects, particularly strikers, have to improve their overall game, constantly and consistently.



QUOTE (acid911 @ Oct 30 2013, 11:53 PM) *
Oh yeah, and that too. wink.gif Everything and everyone can be overrated, in capacities large or small. El Shaarawy is massively overrated in this respect. FIFA 14 cover, you have got to be kidding me. I thought one had to be a good player before something like this, and all his other promotional endeavors.

Just show the results on the pitch on a constant basis, and then he can be rated normally, or even underrated. But right now, he is just hyped up, and the kid is doing little (also not helped by the coach) to improve.


Beautifully put.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 30 2013, 10:47 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 30 2013, 09:48 PM) *
I don't think anyone hates him. But he is overrated.

I don't think he is, certainly not when compared to other young players his age, obviously when you're top scorer of a top club in your first season playing as a starter for that club - a club that would have sunk to the lowest of lows had he not stepped up btw - there will be a certain level of hype surrounding that young player

QUOTE (acid911 @ Oct 30 2013, 09:50 PM) *
Well, speaking for myself, I don't really hate anything, let along someone like El Shaarawy. smile.gif Though like you, I am not a fan of his, Han, and think of him as a good prospect that we plucked out of Serie B. What I do know is that he's just another golden goose that Galliani will take to the sacrifice temple, if he gets the right amount of $$$.

What I do also know is that the guy is not improving upon his game, one bit. Not even half as good as Pato to begin with, and while the duck too stalled, Shaarway is just standing on a standstill right now, and he is not even as developed as the Brazilian we recently offloaded.

You prospects, particularly strikers, have to improve their overall game, constantly and consistently.

I don't think you can say whether or not he's at a stand still, yes his form took a massive dip last season, every player goes through that now and then, but I don't think you can say he's at a standstill because we have not seen anything from him as of yet this season. I mean if he's in his 3rd full season with us as a starter and he's still at that level he was at last season then yes, you can say he's hit a brick wall, but I don't think it's a fair thing to say as of yet

Posted by: acid911 Oct 30 2013, 10:54 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 31 2013, 03:47 AM) *
I mean if he's in his 3rd full season with us as a starter and he's still at that level he was at last season then yes, you can say he's hit a brick wall, but I don't think it's a fair thing to say as of yet

I have seen moments that confirm this, but I wouldn't mind giving him more time. smile.gif But my honest advise is that don't cry for him Argentina, because if an offer comes Galliani will personally wrap and ship Shaarawy. An offer, as in something that touches 25 to 30 million. That's what kind of a character he is.

But until he is here, most I am sure, will stand by him and see what kind of an effort he puts. I don't fault his athletic work and defensive duties that he does, and he is wasted there at the wing, but you have got to take what comes your way. Pato and Huntelaar (remember that guy) did before him. sleep.gif Let's wait and see, then, wait and see.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 30 2013, 11:03 PM

QUOTE (acid911 @ Oct 30 2013, 10:54 PM) *
I have seen moments that confirm this, but I wouldn't mind giving him more time. smile.gif But my honest advise is that don't cry for him Argentina, because if an offer comes Galliani will personally wrap and ship Shaarawy. An offer, as in something that touches 25 to 30 million. That's what kind of a character he is.

But until he is here, most I am sure, will stand by him and see what kind of an effort he puts. I don't fault his athletic work and defensive duties that he does, and he is wasted there at the wing, but you have got to take what comes your way. Pato and Huntelaar (remember that guy) did before him. sleep.gif Let's wait and see, then, wait and see.

Pato (before we ruined him that is) was an amazing dribbler who was seriously quick, remember that amazing goal against Roma? He could have played anywhere in attack. The Huntelaar experiment was just ridiculous and really, he didn't take what came his way as he was (unsurprisingly) awful on the wing.

And I've said this multiple times, if a ridiculous offer came our way, I'd gift wrap him myself, as realistically, atm he's not worth more than 20m max, but if say something over 30m came our way (as Galliani hinted of happening this past summer) then yeah, obviously I'd offload him because in a sane market, he'd never be worth that amount

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 31 2013, 03:25 PM

I think there might be clubs who would offer 20-22 million for El Shaa right now. You know what I would do? Sell him for that amount and sign Shaqiri. Now he is a real promise with huge margins of improvement. And he'd be perfect for 4-2-3-1.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 31 2013, 03:52 PM

Naah, I wouldn't go for it.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 31 2013, 04:41 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 31 2013, 05:52 PM) *
Naah, I wouldn't go for it.


That's so typical of you. wink.gif

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 31 2013, 05:28 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 31 2013, 06:41 PM) *
That's so typical of you. wink.gif

Maybe. But: 1) I don't see Shaqiri leaving Bayern, 2) I don't want wingers, 3) I'm not that sure he's worth it - don't get me wrong, Shaqiri is a good player and overall promising. But when I look at him playing, something's missing.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 31 2013, 06:29 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 31 2013, 07:28 PM) *
Maybe. But: 1) I don't see Shaqiri leaving Bayern, 2) I don't want wingers, 3) I'm not that sure he's worth it - don't get me wrong, Shaqiri is a good player and overall promising. But when I look at him playing, something's missing.


OK, I understand your doubts regarding Shaqiri, but you don't want wingers? Does this mean you want us to play with 4-3-1-2? Because, honestly, I think this team needs an injection of fresh and innovative ideas, and adopting a formation with wingers is the very first step in doing so.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 31 2013, 09:16 PM

22m for SES?

No, wouldn't go for it. I'd rather give him a chance then sell him for that amount.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 31 2013, 09:43 PM

According to latest reports, there is a possibility of Niang going to Genoa in January and either Lodi or Kucka going the other way.

Seriously, Lodi? He's sooooo mediocre. I'd get Kucka any day of the week instead.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 31 2013, 09:46 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 31 2013, 09:43 PM) *
According to latest reports, there is a possibility of Niang going to Genoa in January and either Lodi or Kucka going the other way.

Seriously, Lodi? He's sooooo mediocre. I'd get Kucka any day of the week instead.

Kucka please.

Good news, we need cover for De Jong in that midfield and Muntari seriously needs to be sold as well

Also with Honda coming in and Kaka really making his mark while Robinho is seemingly back in form and doing well, plus with SES and Pazzo coming back from injury, there is no space for Niang. I'd rather that time be given to Saponara instead

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 31 2013, 09:53 PM

Poli and Kucka as subs for Monto and De Jong would be great.

Posted by: dst Nov 1 2013, 03:08 AM

20m for ElSha? Hell yeah.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 1 2013, 09:39 AM

Can't help but notice that Pastore has only played in Ligue 1 5 times this season and made 0 appearanced in the CL. With how many players in his position they have, I think he could leave this summer and he's hinted at a Milan move in the future. Pleeeaaase Silvio.

Posted by: acid911 Nov 1 2013, 09:54 AM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Nov 1 2013, 02:39 PM) *
Can't help but notice that Pastore has only played in Ligue 1 5 times this season and made 0 appearanced in the CL. With how many players in his position they have, I think he could leave this summer and he's hinted at a Milan move in the future. Pleeeaaase Silvio.

+∞. smile.gif All for it.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 1 2013, 10:36 AM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Nov 1 2013, 09:39 AM) *
Can't help but notice that Pastore has only played in Ligue 1 5 times this season and made 0 appearanced in the CL. With how many players in his position they have, I think he could leave this summer and he's hinted at a Milan move in the future. Pleeeaaase Silvio.

Yeah he's hinted multiple times now that he'd like to join Milan. Depends on how much PSG would want for him, they still owe us for that cut price deal on Zlatan and Silva.

But aren't we going to be filled with too many AMs now?

First we had none now we're going into an overload of attacking mids

I think we need to think about other positions before spending money we don't have for positions that are already covered.

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 1 2013, 12:49 PM

Maybe we could directly swap with El Shaa. I think PSG were interested in him in the past.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 1 2013, 01:22 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 1 2013, 12:49 PM) *
Maybe we could directly swap with El Shaa. I think PSG were interested in him in the past.

That still would make zero sense

If I'm going to swap SES with someone at PSG it would have to be Verratti

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 1 2013, 01:26 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 31 2013, 11:53 PM) *
Poli and Kucka as subs for Monto and De Jong would be great.

Poli should be played as a starter if you ask me.

QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 1 2013, 03:22 PM) *
That still would make zero sense

If I'm going to swap SES with someone at PSG it would have to be Verratti

+1 Absolutely devilsmiley.gif

Posted by: acid911 Nov 1 2013, 01:58 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 1 2013, 06:26 PM) *
Poli should be played as a starter if you ask me.

Oh, absolutely. cool.gif Through and through, no reason for him not to!

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 1 2013, 02:03 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 1 2013, 03:22 PM) *
That still would make zero sense


Why? Pastore can easily play on the wing.

Monto - De Jong
Honda - Kaká - Pastore
Balotelli


That would be awesome.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 1 2013, 05:28 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 1 2013, 02:03 PM) *
Why? Pastore can easily play on the wing.

Monto - De Jong
Honda - Kaká - Pastore
Balotelli


That would be awesome.

But having Verratti would be even more awesome

We can easily find someone to replace SES on the wing, even go with Balo on the left, Pazzo up front if we don't find anyone immediately, Verratti is the future of that Italian midfield, he'll be the man to finally replace Pirlo. If I had a chance at one of them I'd go for Verratti, no competition.

@ Fillipo, I think Monto is the better fit in a double pivot system. Poli is better in a more advanced position it would be a slight waste for him there, you could even play him as part of the 3 behind the striker.

So Monto for me should still be the starter, especially in that sort of system

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 1 2013, 07:28 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 1 2013, 07:28 PM) *
But having Verratti would be even more awesome

We can easily find someone to replace SES on the wing, even go with Balo on the left, Pazzo up front if we don't find anyone immediately, Verratti is the future of that Italian midfield, he'll be the man to finally replace Pirlo. If I had a chance at one of them I'd go for Verratti, no competition.

@ Fillipo, I think Monto is the better fit in a double pivot system. Poli is better in a more advanced position it would be a slight waste for him there, you could even play him as part of the 3 behind the striker.

So Monto for me should still be the starter, especially in that sort of system


Dude, Verratti is untouchable for PSG. Why are you even considering him? We're talking about Pastore because he's a bench player now at PSG.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 1 2013, 07:41 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 1 2013, 07:28 PM) *
Dude, Verratti is untouchable for PSG. Why are you even considering him? We're talking about Pastore because he's a bench player now at PSG.

Well there was talk of them exchanging him for Pogba recently...

Don't know, depends on how much they want SES.

Because in the case for Pastore they'd probably have to give us the player + cash for SES, while for Verratti we'd be the ones to have to give them cash + player.

But my point was, if I was going to exchange SES for anyone at PSG then that would be Verratti

Posted by: KillerMax Nov 1 2013, 09:37 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 1 2013, 01:41 PM) *
Well there was talk of them exchanging him for Pogba recently...

Don't know, depends on how much they want SES.

Because in the case for Pastore they'd probably have to give us the player + cash for SES, while for Verratti we'd be the ones to have to give them cash + player.

But my point was, if I was going to exchange SES for anyone at PSG then that would be Verratti


Pastore + Cash for SES? laugh.gif

I don't mean to be a jerk, that genuinely made me lol...

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 1 2013, 09:53 PM

Yeah, han, what? It's gonna be the other way around. SES + cash for Pastore.

Posted by: dst Nov 1 2013, 10:11 PM

Certainly. Who is SES? He's only played like, what, 4 months of good football?

Posted by: han2503 Nov 1 2013, 10:12 PM

QUOTE (KillerMax @ Nov 1 2013, 09:37 PM) *
Pastore + Cash for SES? laugh.gif

I don't mean to be a jerk, that genuinely made me lol...

He's a glorified bench warmer for them, while SES is a highly rated young player who teams offered over 30m for this summer. So yes, no matter how much you think Pastore is better, SES has more value on the market atm

Posted by: dst Nov 1 2013, 10:15 PM

I'm pretty sure he would have been sold if an offer of 20m was made in the summer. I certainly don't believe an offer of 30m was made.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 1 2013, 10:19 PM

QUOTE (dst @ Nov 1 2013, 10:15 PM) *
I'm pretty sure he would have been sold if an offer of 20m was made in the summer. I certainly don't believe an offer of 30m was made.

There was, Galliani and SES talked about it themselves

Posted by: acid911 Nov 1 2013, 10:44 PM

Pastore has proven creativity, Shaarawy can't even dribble correctly. biggrin.gif A direct swap would be a surprise. If we do hand him over, it will have to be with a bag of gold. Maybe the kid does pick up his game, then he can be a better player than Pastore, but right now there is no comparison.

It's like asking Oscar plus cash for the Pharaoh, which in most realities is just not on! My humble $0.02.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 1 2013, 11:02 PM

QUOTE (acid911 @ Nov 1 2013, 10:44 PM) *
Pastore has proven creativity, Shaarawy can't even dribble correctly. biggrin.gif A direct swap would be a surprise. If we do hand him over, it will have to be with a bag of gold. Maybe the kid does pick up his game, then he can be a better player than Pastore, but right now there is no comparison.

It's like asking Oscar plus cash for the Pharaoh, which in most realities is just not on! My humble $0.02.

The fact that he can't dribble has nothing to do with this

SES is a striker plain and simple, Pastore is an AM. Absolutely NO comparison between the 2

And as I said, Pastore atm has a low market value, why? Because he's been permanently benched at PSG. SES atm is a hot commodity no matter how much some here under value him because he lost form last season, meaning he wasn't scoring goals, and for a striker that's a killer, especially when said striker is being played out wide and his weaknesses as a player become even more visible.

Just read some stuff out there and see what the general football fan who doesn't watch Milan on a regular basis thinks and you'll know why a club would want to pay a lot for SES right now

Posted by: acid911 Nov 1 2013, 11:19 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 2 2013, 04:02 AM) *
The fact that he can't dribble has nothing to do with this

Well, that was just used as a pointer, because really Shaarawy has little going for him at the moment. Limited in technique, played out of his comfort zone, injuries, coupled with the arrival of big names like Balotelli (who himself seems to be suffering from this last disease) and Kaka, and more incoming next windows.

And honestly, by some quality dribbling the guy can get some of his confidence back, beat opponent defenders and score some goals or provide some assists. wink.gif His cupboard is bare. Pato was limited, this guy is underdeveloped. Not to mention the conditions are not helping.

QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 2 2013, 04:02 AM) *
SES is a striker plain and simple, Pastore is an AM. Absolutely NO comparison between the 2

Direct comparison, no, but he both have certain similarities going for them. huh.gif Age, hype, some proven records, both play for big clubs, and both are attackers that can potentially directly influence results. Plus, I'd have to think really hard to label Shaarawy a striker nowadays, even if he made his name in that position. He's just a forward.

QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 2 2013, 04:02 AM) *
And as I said, Pastore atm has a low market value, why? Because he's been permanently benched at PSG. SES atm is a hot commodity no matter how much some here under value him because he lost form last season, meaning he wasn't scoring goals, and for a striker that's a killer, especially when said striker is being played out wide and his weaknesses as a player become even more visible.

I guess that depends, we do not have market details, few do actually. smile.gif Sitting at a bench does not guarantee a player has devalued to such an extent. Shaarawy at best is currently a 20m buy, Pastore a 30m. Maybe we can nudge back another 5m, but that just seems to be about it.

And that's considering Shaarawy is not opened up further throughout the course of the season. If so, he'll just devalue further down to 18m or below. For this reason alone, I want to see the kid play and play regularly. Just so we can better judge what he is made of. Maybe even forge an attacking partnership with Kaka.

QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 2 2013, 04:02 AM) *
Just read some stuff out there and see what the general football fan who doesn't watch Milan on a regular basis thinks and you'll know why a club would want to pay a lot for SES right now

Well general football fans think and know a lot of things. No disrespect intended but more than half of them (personally speaking here, the people I have come in contact with) are idiots. sad.gif A knowledgeable and passionate supporter is not, but the majority just buy what the media tells them and spit it out at random.

Posted by: dst Nov 2 2013, 03:40 AM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 1 2013, 10:19 PM) *
There was, Galliani and SES talked about it themselves

That doesn't mean anything. The fact that it's Galliani makes it even more dubious. tongue.gif I just don't believe we'd turn down a 30m offer for SES, no way.

Posted by: KillerMax Nov 2 2013, 06:07 AM

QUOTE (dst @ Nov 1 2013, 09:40 PM) *
That doesn't mean anything. The fact that it's Galliani makes it even more dubious. tongue.gif I just don't believe we'd turn down a 30m offer for SES, no way.


They didn't. They accepted like always and "left it to the player". SES wanted to stay at all costs. He is a Milan fan since childhood. It's a bit of a different story than Ibra, Silva, Kaka and Sheva, even though all those love Milan. Being a diehard Milan fan made the difference this time.

Posted by: Bluesummers Nov 4 2013, 09:05 PM

I have some good news.

Berlusconi is having a meeting with the board and deciding our approach for next year.


Galliani could have a lesser role at the club especially in transfers. They've contacted Maldini for a director position. I hope he accepts. Barbara will take a bigger role starting next season.


It looks like allegri will be sacked after chievo game with Denis Mangia coming into replace him.

sky

Posted by: Bluesummers Nov 4 2013, 09:07 PM

Milan Vice-President Adriano Galliani has assured boss Massimiliano Allegri that his job is safe.

The tactician’s future has again been placed into doubt as the club’s problematic season took another unsavoury twist with a 2-0 defeat to Fiorentina on Saturday.

“There is faith in Allegri – he is not the problem,” the official stated this afternoon.

“All Coaches depend on results, but this is not a decisive week for him. If someone keeps losing then there is no one who can survive that.

“This is certainly a difficult moment because we are not picking up results, but we will carry on. From experience I say that we should remain calm.”

Milan, with just three League wins this season, will face Barcelona and Chievo over the next seven days.

Galliani was also asked to respond to Barbara Berlusconi’s request that there be a change in philosophy at the club owned by her father Silvio.

“I certainly spoke with Silvio Berlusconi last night, but I won’t comment on what we said,” Galliani added.

“The CEO is responsible for everything, the transfer market, the revenue, all of the costs. He’s in charge of the whole company.”

Posted by: han2503 Nov 4 2013, 10:22 PM

Yes let's keep assuring the underperforming employee that his job is safe FFS!! This is business 101 for the idiots.

It's like you have a restaurant and all the waiter does is mess orders up, spill sh!t on the customers and drop things. Why yes, let's give him a promotion and job security! rolleyes.gif

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 4 2013, 11:07 PM

QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Nov 4 2013, 11:05 PM) *
It looks like allegri will be sacked after chievo game with Denis Mangia coming into replace him.


Heh, I wouldn't mind Mangia at all. But why after the Chievo game? Anyway, I think it's bullshit. Only another loss against Barça could change things.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 5 2013, 12:23 AM

Mangia? What has he ever done to being considered? Just another Allegri.

Posted by: Jack Bauer Nov 5 2013, 02:03 AM

Probably just a caretaker till the end of the season. Though I wouldn't believe that rumor just yet.

Posted by: Ry4n Nov 5 2013, 06:25 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 5 2013, 03:07 AM) *
Heh, I wouldn't mind Mangia at all. But why after the Chievo game? Anyway, I think it's bullshit. Only another loss against Barça could change things.

I think everyone knows going to barca and getting anything at all a draw would be a great achievement with this squad let alone the defence which is not going to happen not with the way we have been conceding this season. The management know the task at hand in the next match is basically already a win for Barca i mean with this defence we are defo going to concede especially away from home in the nou camp. No the next match will not mean he is fired nor will the match after that. They don't want to spend the money to end his contract before the end of the season where he will probably have a settlement and told to move along.

Just read the news Galliani came out emphatically denied that Allegri is going anywhere even after we lose games because hes a cheap son of a ***** and won't compensate his contract. Read between the lines.

I want both of them to go let Barbara and Maldini start a new.

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 5 2013, 09:52 AM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 5 2013, 02:23 AM) *
Mangia? What has he ever done to being considered? Just another Allegri.


Because he's highly regarded by Sacchi, the only person Silvio listens to. Plus he's milanese and a Milan fan.

Speaking of Sacchi, apparently it was him who convinced Silvio to fire Allegri last summer, until Galliani managed to turn things around.

Anyway, Mediaset today suggests that this will be the new Milan from next season: Prandelli as coach, Albertini as director, Maldini as part of the staff. Galliani can either become president of the Lega Calcio, or join Genoa. Allegri will get fired at the end of the season, or even sooner if things don't get any better.

http://www.sportmediaset.mediaset.it/mercato/milan/2013/articoli/1016396/barbara-berlusconi-e-il-milan-del-futuro-prandelli-con-albertini-160-.shtml

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 5 2013, 10:59 AM

Sounds good. Galliani to Genoa is a joke or?

Posted by: Zed.D Nov 5 2013, 11:17 AM

Sounds like some hopeless Milan fan's fantasies.

Posted by: KillerMax Nov 5 2013, 11:49 AM

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Nov 5 2013, 05:17 AM) *
Sounds like some hopeless Milan fan's fantasies.


Exactly... laugh.gif When it sounds too good to be true, it most often is.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 5 2013, 12:20 PM

Well Barbara Berlusconi is lobbying heavily for Galliani's head because this is his doing, insisting on Allegri and then getting him Matri on top of all of that was a serious faux pas, Allegri is just the end result of that huge mistake as he's lost control of the dressing room and was never able to implement any form of tactical system in this side, even when he had the top class players at his disposal.

Braida could also be on his way out Maldini and Albertini would replace Galliani and Braida it seems. I seriously hope this happens.

Posted by: acid911 Nov 5 2013, 01:05 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 5 2013, 05:20 PM) *
Braida could also be on his way out Maldini and Albertini would replace Galliani and Braida it seems. I seriously hope this happens.

Oh, I'll pay good money to see this happen. king.gif

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Nov 5 2013, 01:20 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 4 2013, 08:23 PM) *
Mangia? What has he ever done to being considered? Just another Allegri.

well...he was one of the better coaches Zamparini let get of and made the most out of the U21s.

Posted by: Bluesummers Nov 5 2013, 07:23 PM



He's got the look of a winner to me

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 5 2013, 07:37 PM

And Allegri looks like a miner.

Posted by: Bluesummers Nov 5 2013, 07:42 PM

allegri has always had that look like he's just happy to be here

Posted by: Ry4n Nov 6 2013, 07:34 AM

QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Nov 5 2013, 11:42 PM) *
allegri has always had that look like he's just happy to be here

laugh.gif

Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2013, 09:50 AM

QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Nov 5 2013, 07:42 PM) *
allegri has always had that look like he's just happy to be here

I always thought his look was constipated more than anything else biggrin.gif

Posted by: Ry4n Nov 6 2013, 10:58 AM

Btw guys do you remember this kid...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre-Emerick_Aubameyang

hes become pretty fucking good...at Dortmund

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 6 2013, 11:35 AM

Please watch your language wink.gif

Yes, we had a discussion in the German Bundesliga thread concerning him. I think all the Aubameyangs at Milan were terrible. Pierre-Emerick isn't bad, but enormously hyped. After his initial take-off at Dortmund his form curved down and now Kuba overtook his spot.

That said, he's got speed and he's young, but that's about it. On the other hand, he's certainly better then Niang.

And one more thing - we criticize El Shaarawy for his hairstyles. What about this?


Posted by: Ry4n Nov 6 2013, 12:07 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 6 2013, 03:35 PM) *
Please watch your language wink.gif

Yes, we had a discussion in the German Bundesliga thread concerning him. I think all the Aubameyangs at Milan were terrible. Pierre-Emerick isn't bad, but enormously hyped. After his initial take-off at Dortmund his form curved down and now Kuba overtook his spot.

That said, he's got speed and he's young, but that's about it. On the other hand, he's certainly better then Niang.

And one more thing - we criticize El Shaarawy for his hairstyles. What about this?


there should be a automated star thing for when i swear biggrin.gif i tend to do it alot dat passion of the moment.

tbh i don't mind either hairy styles its the ear rings i hate if they do there stuff on the pitch they can do what ever they like with there hair change it purple put lights in it what ever lol i despise ear rings looks so cheap.

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 6 2013, 03:26 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 6 2013, 01:35 PM) *
And one more thing - we criticize El Shaarawy for his hairstyles. What about this?



Kids these days...

Posted by: rip Nov 8 2013, 10:11 AM

Wishing mode: Sell Balo n use that money to get Lewandowski next summer. Hes gona be a free transfer next summer biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 8 2013, 11:55 AM

Only paper talk but I read that he was being offered around to a few clubs for as low as £7m in January. Dortmund just don't want him going to Bayern for free next summer.

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 8 2013, 12:29 PM

According to Corriere, we are going to sell Balo in January along with all the players managed by Raiola, i.e. Abate, Niang and Robinho (Abate isn't managed by Raiola so I don't know why they included him). In defense, besides Rami, we are interested in Sagna and Burdisso. Whereas in attack we'll rely on Pazzini and Matri.

http://www.sportmediaset.mediaset.it/mercato/milan/2013/articoli/1016742/balotelli-via-a-gennaio-parte-la-rivoluzione-milan.shtml

Go home Corriere, you're drunk! Very drunk.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 8 2013, 12:38 PM

laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: han2503 Nov 8 2013, 04:56 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 8 2013, 12:29 PM) *
According to Corriere, we are going to sell Balo in January along with all the players managed by Raiola, i.e. Abate, Niang and Robinho (Abate isn't managed by Raiola so I don't know why they included him). In defense, besides Rami, we are interested in Sagna and Burdisso. Whereas in attack we'll rely on Pazzini and Matri.

http://www.sportmediaset.mediaset.it/mercato/milan/2013/articoli/1016742/balotelli-via-a-gennaio-parte-la-rivoluzione-milan.shtml

Go home Corriere, you're drunk! Very drunk.

Abate switched to Raiola this summer. So sadly, they are correct on that one. But I'm pretty sure he doesn't represent Niang and Robinho... huh.gif

But that rumour is just ridiculous. So we sell some of our best and replace them with worse options or rely on our 2nd and 3rd choices.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 8 2013, 05:37 PM

It's so bad it could be true sad.gif

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 8 2013, 06:33 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 8 2013, 06:56 PM) *
Abate switched to Raiola this summer. So sadly, they are correct on that one. But I'm pretty sure he doesn't represent Niang and Robinho... huh.gif


Are you sure about Abate? I don't remember him switching to Raiola, and Transfermarkt says he's still managed by Pasqualin and D'Amico. As for Robinho and Niang, the former is not managed by Raiola but he's always been involved during his transfers from City to Milan and from Milan to Santos. Same for Niang.

But I think this rumor is absolutely nonsense. I don't believe a single bit of it.

QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 8 2013, 06:56 PM) *
But that rumour is just ridiculous. So we sell some of our best and replace them with worse options or rely on our 2nd and 3rd choices.


Seriously, Burdisso is one of the worst defenders in Serie A in the last few years, whereas Sagna is not just bad, he's 30 as well.

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 8 2013, 06:38 PM

Corriere's January line-up:



That defense. puke.gif

Posted by: han2503 Nov 8 2013, 06:54 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 8 2013, 06:38 PM) *
Corriere's January line-up:



That defense. puke.gif

Lol, so we replace Mexes with Burdisso?? laugh.gif Yeah right, that makes absolute sense rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Nov 9 2013, 05:58 AM

Just throwing it out there...

1 . Would you guys replace Balo with Pastore on a direct swap?
2. Would you release all the guys mentioned - Balo, Robinho, Niang, Abate in return for Silva and/or Ibra?

The latter being more of a summer operation I think.

Posted by: Ry4n Nov 9 2013, 09:07 AM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Nov 9 2013, 09:58 AM) *
Just throwing it out there...

1 . Would you guys replace Balo with Pastore on a direct swap?
2. Would you release all the guys mentioned - Balo, Robinho, Niang, Abate in return for Silva and/or Ibra?

The latter being more of a summer operation I think.



Balo deals all depend on whether the team that wants him wants a liabilty on there hands.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 9 2013, 11:03 AM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Nov 9 2013, 05:58 AM) *
Just throwing it out there...

1 . Would you guys replace Balo with Pastore on a direct swap?
2. Would you release all the guys mentioned - Balo, Robinho, Niang, Abate in return for Silva and/or Ibra?

The latter being more of a summer operation I think.

It won't happen, I'd rather just keep Balo and buy Pastore. He's just warming the bench for them atm, so I'm sure they'd accept a fair deal.

No 2 is just fantasy football, but yeah, I'd give up all of them to have those 2 back in a heart beat

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Nov 9 2013, 11:39 AM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Nov 9 2013, 06:58 AM) *
Just throwing it out there...

1 . Would you guys replace Balo with Pastore on a direct swap?
2. Would you release all the guys mentioned - Balo, Robinho, Niang, Abate in return for Silva and/or Ibra?

The latter being more of a summer operation I think.

1. with honda, kaka, saporona i am unsure it would make sense to get another AM for CF unless we want
2. Silva and pastore for all those would be acceptable but again we would be relying on pazzini and king matri as our stiker option assuming el sha is more of support striker

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 9 2013, 01:09 PM

Balo is still a question mark. His potential is huge, but he must learn how to use it. My answer on the first question? No, not right now. As for question #2, hell yes!

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 9 2013, 01:44 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Nov 9 2013, 07:58 AM) *
Just throwing it out there...

1 . Would you guys replace Balo with Pastore on a direct swap?
2. Would you release all the guys mentioned - Balo, Robinho, Niang, Abate in return for Silva and/or Ibra?

The latter being more of a summer operation I think.

The thing is, we've gotta do the Milan magic again with Balotelli. We have to make him a different player, and there's where all the Milan legends should jump in and play a role. I remember years ago when we had a struggling Lentini, Milan used Altafini to speak with him and help get through his crisis.

To answer you questions: 1) No. I don't rate Pastore that much. He's a good AM but nothing that special and never proved himself when it was most important. Yet, he's still young, that's his only advantage. 2) Yes, but it won't make any sense. The guys mentioned are Raiola guys, and it wouldn't make sense to go for Ibra who's also with Raiola. All the talk about them leaving has to do with us cutting all ties with Raiola.

Posted by: acid911 Nov 9 2013, 01:51 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Nov 9 2013, 10:58 AM) *
Just throwing it out there...

1 . Would you guys replace Balo with Pastore on a direct swap?
2. Would you release all the guys mentioned - Balo, Robinho, Niang, Abate in return for Silva and/or Ibra?

The latter being more of a summer operation I think.

Whoa, who spiked your rum with salt this morning, pirate? biggrin.gif laugh.gif None of this is happening in my opinion, but it's a good dream. I mean, the possibility of either of these two deals happening is 1%. Maybe even less. Particularly the Silva and or Ibra bit. We may get them in their very final seasons as professional footballers, and that's that.

Pastore may come to Milan, but I don't quite see Balotelli going there. Even if Ibra comes. Unless big changes happen. Because, really, we as a club have dug ourselves in too deep, and good players on the fringes of greatness is the best we can do. Champions, maybe, but not proven ones.

But, well, since you asked, I'd be okay with both notions, any given Sunday, many times over!

Posted by: Danny Nov 9 2013, 02:36 PM

Some crazy news today eh!?

First off Niang can go with pleasure. So much talent but a dreadful attitude and he's never going to grow up while at Milan.

Abate is a growing story, linked to PSG. I think we've debated his merits and weaknesses enough recently.

Balotelli can leave unless he SERIOUSLY bucks himself up before January. He's been a disgrace this season and I wouldn't miss a liability like him. For all his undenied talent he has serious mental issues and I can't be bothered with dealing with them anymore.

Robinho can stay, even when we get Honda he'd be a handy player to keep, having a good season.

Posted by: Danny Nov 9 2013, 02:37 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 8 2013, 05:38 PM) *
Corriere's January line-up:



That defense. puke.gif


Can't be any worse than the shambles we currently have.

But aren't Corriere a Roman publication and rather biased against the Milan clubs?

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 9 2013, 02:42 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Nov 9 2013, 04:37 PM) *
But aren't Corriere a Roman publication and rather biased against the Milan clubs?


I don't think that has anything to do with it.

Posted by: acid911 Nov 9 2013, 03:23 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Nov 9 2013, 07:36 PM) *
Some crazy news today eh!?

First off Niang can go with pleasure. So much talent but a dreadful attitude and he's never going to grow up while at Milan.

Abate is a growing story, linked to PSG. I think we've debated his merits and weaknesses enough recently.

Balotelli can leave unless he SERIOUSLY bucks himself up before January. He's been a disgrace this season and I wouldn't miss a liability like him. For all his undenied talent he has serious mental issues and I can't be bothered with dealing with them anymore.

Robinho can stay, even when we get Honda he'd be a handy player to keep, having a good season.

All for it, bud. Save for the Robinho bit. He can stay if he's on 1 million. sleep.gif Because, good season or not, that's what he's worth now. Some would say that that's what he was throughout his career, but the guy is a lucky son of a gun, who rode the Pele hype train, one that brought him to stations like Manchester, Madrid and Milan.

I'd take a pure talent and hard worker like Lamela over Robson, ten times over. But he can stay, the rest I agree.

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 9 2013, 03:52 PM

QUOTE (acid911 @ Nov 9 2013, 05:23 PM) *
I'd take a pure talent and hard worker like Lamela over Robson, ten times over. But he can stay, the rest I agree.


Lamela ain't got sh*t on the old Robinho.

Posted by: acid911 Nov 9 2013, 04:14 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 9 2013, 08:52 PM) *
Lamela ain't got sh*t on the old Robinho.

Nah, I was talking about applying yourself on the pitch. huh.gif Robinho has a far too easy going attitude.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 9 2013, 09:03 PM

Ideally this January we loan Niang, sell Nocerino or Muntari bring in another DM to cover for De Jong + the already confirmed Honda and Rami. I think that's enough for now.

If we get Pastore in the summer it will only happen if we sell Robinho. He's already taking up a good chunk in wages. We can't afford to bring in more players without selling others in return.

I personally don't want to see us giving up on Balo simply because he lost form. Yes, he's acting like a petulant child because things aren't going his way right now, but all he needs is a couple of good games and he'll be back to scoring regularly and the petulance and childish attitude will go away with it. And I find it hard to believe that a top club would come anywhere near Balo right now. He's just a huge problem, especially when the club could afford to get someone in of the same calibre without all the baggage Balo brings with him

Posted by: Danny Nov 9 2013, 09:20 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 9 2013, 01:42 PM) *
I don't think that has anything to do with it.


In the UK you can't trust a right wing newspaper like the Daily Mail to report a positive story about a left wing political party.

Can't see the difference here; if a southern publication is reporting on a political antithesis (isn't Rome a slightly right-wing city while Milan is left wing industrial) surely it's slightly biased against its target?

Therefore can you trust 'your opponent' to discuss you accurately?

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 9 2013, 11:38 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Nov 9 2013, 11:20 PM) *
In the UK you can't trust a right wing newspaper like the Daily Mail to report a positive story about a left wing political party.

Can't see the difference here; if a southern publication is reporting on a political antithesis (isn't Rome a slightly right-wing city while Milan is left wing industrial) surely it's slightly biased against its target?

Therefore can you trust 'your opponent' to discuss you accurately?

No. But then again, you can't trust a right wing journal to discuss internal right-wing party affairs openly as well. You've gotta read everything and then deduce by yourself wink.gif

Posted by: Danny Nov 10 2013, 02:27 AM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 9 2013, 10:38 PM) *
No. But then again, you can't trust a right wing journal to discuss internal right-wing party affairs openly as well. You've gotta read everything and then deduce by yourself wink.gif


Yes, when discussing itself the propaganda will be positive, when discussing its opponent it'll be negative.

Hence read a neutral, non-agenda laden publication for some accuracy.

But you're also correct, read absolutely everything and the truth is somewhere in the middle.

Posted by: acid911 Nov 10 2013, 07:54 AM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 10 2013, 04:38 AM) *
You've gotta read everything and then deduce by yourself

Deduce, You Say! huh.gif Sorry, can't help it. I just love this cartoon, absolute classic and timeless!


Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 10 2013, 01:58 PM

biggrin.gif

Posted by: acid911 Nov 10 2013, 02:34 PM

I do hope you've watched it though, man! tongue.gif Should be on YouTube, I reckon. But every time you (or anyone else, for that matter) says the word deduce, my mind wanders. It's one of my favorite words, too, by the way, alongside such classics like as infinity, pioneer, bliss, indubitably, damnable, and gems like schmoe, brotherman and epicisms.

So that would be my floating and ever-changing top ten of English. Man, I love languages!

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 10 2013, 03:13 PM

Yep, I've seen it, but it was years ago, so I'll re-watch it as soon as possible.

Posted by: acid911 Nov 10 2013, 03:19 PM

Ha, do do the watching. tongue.gif If for some reason you can't find it, just ping me and I'll upload it someplace.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 11 2013, 03:26 PM

Anyone who can understands Italian can tell us what's going on here?

http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/serie-a/live-tmw-milan-summit-ad-arcore-allegri-ad-un-passo-dall-esonero-500869

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 11 2013, 04:34 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 11 2013, 05:26 PM) *
Anyone who can understands Italian can tell us what's going on here?

http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/serie-a/live-tmw-milan-summit-ad-arcore-allegri-ad-un-passo-dall-esonero-500869


So far it's a big mess. Allegri might stay or get fired immediately. It's all up to Silvio. The announcement could come any moment.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 11 2013, 04:39 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 11 2013, 04:34 PM) *
So far it's a big mess. Allegri might stay or get fired immediately. It's all up to Silvio. The announcement could come any moment.

Thanks king.gif Hopefully it's the latter

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 11 2013, 04:43 PM

Yeah. I wasn't expecting this today. Hopefully we get rid of this pseudo-coach (and I can finally change sig laugh.gif ).

Posted by: Danny Nov 11 2013, 04:47 PM

Word is he's gone.

Posted by: Danny Nov 11 2013, 04:53 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 11 2013, 02:26 PM) *
Anyone who can understands Italian can tell us what's going on here?

http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/serie-a/live-tmw-milan-summit-ad-arcore-allegri-ad-un-passo-dall-esonero-500869


Interestingly that article suggests while Babs and Fester don't see eye to eye, she DOESN'T have an issue with Allegri.

Posted by: Ry4n Nov 11 2013, 04:55 PM

BTW guys you should start using this app

https://sportlobster.com/home

Its more inclined to the premiership atm but we can change that !

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 11 2013, 05:38 PM

According to Sky, Allegri will be confirmed, again. Barbara doesn't consider him the main responsible for the team's current situation.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 11 2013, 05:42 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 11 2013, 06:38 PM) *
According to Sky, Allegri will be confirmed, again. Barbara doesn't consider him the main responsible for the team's current situation.

While I agree other things are also to blame, he's the only thing that can be changed. What else can the club do right now other than change coach? Nothing.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 11 2013, 06:12 PM

Good God, is everyone gone insane? Do they (apart from Fester and his son) watch the games?? How can someone who's watched Baresi, Maldini, Nesta - be satisfied with this current situation? What is Allegri doing convince them he's the right man to go forward with?

I figured Carlo had a lot of credit with our management because of the things he's one, but one can only start wondering how 1 scudetto can give you as much credit as Allegri shows.

Can't believe this.


Posted by: X-Offender Nov 11 2013, 06:26 PM

It's insane, really. Disgusting even. Nothing more to add.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 11 2013, 06:28 PM

Barbara needs to check again, the problems on the pitch are all directly related to Allegri. How can we ever move forward with this guy still in charge, in the next 2 weeks once we lose or draw again we'll be back here again.

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 11 2013, 06:48 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 11 2013, 08:28 PM) *
Barbara needs to check again, the problems on the pitch are all directly related to Allegri. How can we ever move forward with this guy still in charge, in the next 2 weeks once we lose or draw again we'll be back here again.


I guess we'll just have to accept the fact that this season is lost, and Allegri will stay in charge until the end. Gotta start already thinking about next season, which will see us away from any European competitions. I predict a #9 finish for this season.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 11 2013, 06:49 PM

But that seriously puts Barbara's judgement ability into question. That's what worries me. Plus, after another half year with Allegri, some things will be ruined with our team.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 11 2013, 07:08 PM

Are you guys seriously believing the word of a Berlusconi? biggrin.gif

Posted by: han2503 Nov 11 2013, 07:24 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 11 2013, 06:48 PM) *
I guess we'll just have to accept the fact that this season is lost, and Allegri will stay in charge until the end. Gotta start already thinking about next season, which will see us away from any European competitions. I predict a #9 finish for this season.

Agreed.

Maybe if Prandelli comes it will be better to be out of Europe. Sort of like the situation with Conte when he went to Juve. It will give Prandelli the time he needs to figure out the best system without the added pressure of a fixture list with no room to breath

We'll already be making some good moves this January, I'm hoping next summer will finally see some players being cleared out, especially if Prandelli or whoever is the new coach deems them as surplus

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 11 2013, 06:49 PM) *
But that seriously puts Barbara's judgement ability into question. That's what worries me. Plus, after another half year with Allegri, some things will be ruined with our team.

I think she's looking at the business side of things while failing to see the complete and utter lack of any footballing identity that we've displayed so far during Allegri's entire term.

She is correct in one aspect, Galliani has to go, but to improve on the pitch we also need a change in coach

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Nov 11 2013, 07:08 PM) *
Are you guys seriously believing the word of a Berlusconi? biggrin.gif

Good point, but I don't think there is any need to be lying this time around.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Nov 11 2013, 07:38 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Nov 11 2013, 10:08 PM) *
Are you guys seriously believing the word of a Berlusconi? biggrin.gif


I thought that only applied to Galliani biggrin.gif

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 11 2013, 07:39 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Nov 11 2013, 09:08 PM) *
Are you guys seriously believing the word of a Berlusconi? biggrin.gif


Actually, I'm only stating what the media has been writing. Berlusconi hasn't said anything for me to believe or not his words.

QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 11 2013, 09:24 PM) *
Agreed.

Maybe if Prandelli comes it will be better to be out of Europe. Sort of like the situation with Conte when he went to Juve. It will give Prandelli the time he needs to figure out the best system without the added pressure of a fixture list with no room to breath

We'll already be making some good moves this January, I'm hoping next summer will finally see some players being cleared out, especially if Prandelli or whoever is the new coach deems them as surplus.


Prandelli worries me. You know the kind of sh*t he plays in the Azzurri. I wouldn't be surprised if the first player he asked for his new team was Giaccherini. And Muntari might also become one of his favorite players. Nah, Prandelli just strikes me as a rich's man Allegri. I hope the rumors about him are not true.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Nov 11 2013, 07:52 PM

My 2 cents, the management show things are calm, yet from the inside their could be more than pasta cooking in that kitchen. But the general aura/appearance is calm and confident. Which is the right thing to do. Or do a Zamparini and tumble all the way to Serie B. They showed faith in the coach to allow him to see out the contract, a decision that could be reversed by one man. The way he does it is also important, we all remember how the Leonardo tenure ended.

All the in-betweens of how Allegri is a shitty coach is already under scrutiny from the upper management. As Kurt said, though there are a lot of problems, the easiest option is a change of coach.

QUOTE (Danny @ Nov 11 2013, 07:53 PM) *
Interestingly that article suggests while Babs and Fester don't see eye to eye, she DOESN'T have an issue with Allegri.


Thought you didn't know how to read Italian wink.gif tongue.gif



Posted by: X-Offender Nov 11 2013, 08:39 PM

So, apparently Allegri's confirmation is only temporary. A few more negative results and he'll be out.

I don't get this. I mean, we all know that nothing is gonna change. Why not sack him now so the new coach can have all the time necessary to establish himself? Oh dear...

Posted by: han2503 Nov 11 2013, 08:45 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 11 2013, 08:39 PM) *
So, apparently Allegri's confirmation is only temporary. A few more negative results and he'll be out.

I don't get this. I mean, we all know that nothing is gonna change. Why not sack him now so the new coach can have all the time necessary to establish himself? Oh dear...

They're hoping that things suddenly change like last season when they kept hanging on until things changed. Only this time things won't change, at least last season many of the players spoke out in the media in support of him, this time no one has said anything, the players are fed up and unmotivated, they're no longer playing for their coach, they don't care enough to try to defend him, most of them probably want him to go

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 11 2013, 09:06 PM

What a mess.

Posted by: Jack Bauer Nov 11 2013, 09:48 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 11 2013, 09:12 PM) *
Good God, is everyone gone insane? Do they (apart from Fester and his son) watch the games?? How can someone who's watched Baresi, Maldini, Nesta - be satisfied with this current situation? What is Allegri doing convince them he's the right man to go forward with?

I figured Carlo had a lot of credit with our management because of the things he's one, but one can only start wondering how 1 scudetto can give you as much credit as Allegri shows.

Can't believe this.

+1

Posted by: Danny Nov 11 2013, 10:32 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Nov 11 2013, 06:52 PM) *
Thought you didn't know how to read Italian wink.gif tongue.gif


Google can wink.gif

Posted by: Danny Nov 11 2013, 10:32 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 11 2013, 04:38 PM) *
According to Sky, Allegri will be confirmed, again. Barbara doesn't consider him the main responsible for the team's current situation.


I just said this in my previous post.

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 12 2013, 02:31 AM

QUOTE (Danny @ Nov 12 2013, 12:32 AM) *
I just said this in my previous post.


Bravo.

Posted by: Danny Nov 12 2013, 01:09 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 12 2013, 01:31 AM) *
Bravo.


So, any reason you felt the urge to repeat it exactly as if I hadn't just said it?

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 12 2013, 01:44 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Nov 12 2013, 03:09 PM) *
So, any reason you felt the urge to repeat it exactly as if I hadn't just said it?


Maybe I missed your post?

Posted by: Danny Nov 12 2013, 02:14 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 12 2013, 12:44 PM) *
Maybe I missed your post?


That's an acceptable reply tongue.gif

Posted by: acid911 Nov 12 2013, 03:05 PM

Slow news day. sad.gif Oh, I so miss the proverbial Chatty Cathy. Rumors, people, I need rumors!

Posted by: dst Nov 12 2013, 03:13 PM

QUOTE (acid911 @ Nov 12 2013, 03:05 PM) *
Slow news day. sad.gif Oh, I so miss the proverbial Chatty Cathy. Rumors, people, I need rumors!

Maybe we should all start a rumor. Let's all post on twitter/facebook/whetever that Galliani is going to be sacked and Allegri is going to take his place and have a dual role as coach/GM.

Sounds more fun than the best Milan game this year.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 12 2013, 03:33 PM

QUOTE (dst @ Nov 12 2013, 03:13 PM) *
Sounds more fun than the best Milan game this year.

Which one was it exactly? biggrin.gif

Posted by: Danny Nov 12 2013, 03:42 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 12 2013, 02:33 PM) *
Which one was is exactly? biggrin.gif


Calendar or season smile.gif

Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 12 2013, 03:55 PM

The best game was Parma away. Allegri showed he's truly a World class coach for the almighty Parma to need a 90th minute free kick to win them the game. We were on the brink of something so special. sad.gif

Posted by: acid911 Nov 12 2013, 03:57 PM

Well, at least I started something. graduated.gif The only game I really cared about this season was Torino. I just wanted to see what Kaka brought to the table on his debut, and it was a good showing from the player, even though the team overall fudged it all up.

Other than that, we really haven't had a good game this season. Some would say all year, but yeah!

Posted by: acid911 Nov 12 2013, 04:00 PM

QUOTE (dst @ Nov 12 2013, 08:13 PM) *
Maybe we should all start a rumor. Let's all post on twitter/facebook/whetever that Galliani is going to be sacked and Allegri is going to take his place and have a dual role as coach/GM.

Love it, love it. laugh.gif The only thing better than a senile old fool Galliani, is a senile old fool Galliani that is also a coach. In fact, I would probably watch all matches (even preseason friendlies) whistle to whistle for the comedy. And oh, oh, can't miss the humor after the ties, when the coach speaks to the media.

Make it happen, Mr. B. Even if for the remainder of the season.

Posted by: Danny Nov 12 2013, 04:08 PM

QUOTE (acid911 @ Nov 12 2013, 02:57 PM) *
Well, at least I started something. graduated.gif The only game I really cared about this season was Torino. I just wanted to see what Kaka brought to the table on his debut, and it was a good showing from the player, even though the team overall fudged it all up.

Other than that, we really haven't had a good game this season. Some would say all year, but yeah!


Honestly thought Torino was the only match Kaka was poor in since returning.

But I did think we played OK at San Siro V PSV. Did win 3-0 didn't we? Or was it 4.

Posted by: acid911 Nov 12 2013, 04:13 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Nov 12 2013, 09:08 PM) *
Honestly thought Torino was the only match Kaka was poor in since returning.

Can't blame you. biggrin.gif I only wanted to check out on the man's drive and determination, and whether he still had it in him and wanted to get it out. There were enough glimpses and promises in that performance, and that is the only thing I wanted to see. Pity it ended in an injury, lack of match fitness withstanding.

QUOTE (Danny @ Nov 12 2013, 09:08 PM) *
But I did think we played OK at San Siro V PSV. Did win 3-0 didn't we? Or was it 4.

Yeah, that one was as comfortable as we've been all season. sleep.gif Next two CL matches are vital for us.

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 12 2013, 06:49 PM

How we beat PSV 3-0 remains a mystery...

Posted by: CHU-LIP Nov 12 2013, 06:56 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 12 2013, 08:49 PM) *
How we beat PSV 3-0 remains a mystery...

Fluke goals, kinda. Both games it was PSV dominating until the first goal.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 12 2013, 10:52 PM

You are aware that PSV is currently 8th in the dutch league?

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 12 2013, 11:24 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 13 2013, 12:52 AM) *
You are aware that PSV is currently 8th in the dutch league?


And you are aware that we have accumulated only 12 points in 13 games? tongue.gif

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Nov 13 2013, 07:42 AM

No we don't. We are all in denial. You don't exist. You are just a figment of our imaginations forcing us to think deep,dark thoughts! sleep.gif

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 13 2013, 10:13 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 13 2013, 01:24 AM) *
And you are aware that we have accumulated only 12 points in 13 games? tongue.gif

Yeah, we both suck. Happy tongue.gif

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 14 2013, 03:16 PM

So, apparently a mini-revolution will take place in January. Aside from Rami and Honda, who we've already signed, we're interested in Burdisso, Santon, Kucka and Lodi. A few players will leave, including Zaccardo, Constant, Nocerino and Saponara. The fates of Balotelli and El Shaarawy are still an enigma.

http://www.sportmediaset.mediaset.it/calcio/milan/2013/articoli/1017385/milan-rivoluzione-a-gennaio-tra-arrivi-e-partenze-interessano-santon-lodi-e-kucka.shtml

Burdisso and Lodi are crap, we shouldn't even consider signing them. With Mexes, Rami, Zapata, Silvestre and Bonera we should be fine in defense for this season.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 14 2013, 03:21 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 14 2013, 04:16 PM) *
we're interested in Burdisso, Santon, Kucka and Lodi.

Santon is very good, but the other names are just so similar to the signings that have helped us get in this mess in the first place. We're not going to make the CL with mid-table quality Serie A players.

Posted by: Danny Nov 14 2013, 03:40 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 14 2013, 02:16 PM) *
With Mexes, Rami, Zapata, Silvestre and Bonera we should be fine in defense for this season.


Only 2 of them are half good enough to be Milan defenders. Silvestre is barely squad, Bonera is squad, Zapata is in atrocious form, and Mexes, while he's been ok this season has been off his best. My optimism allows me to suggest Rami might be decent.

The word 'fine' covers nothing about any area of the park currently or in the near future.

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 14 2013, 04:02 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Nov 14 2013, 05:21 PM) *
Santon is very good, but the other names are just so similar to the signings that have helped us get in this mess in the first place. We're not going to make the CL with mid-table quality Serie A players.


I don't think there are any remote chances of us making the CL for next season regardless of who we sign.

QUOTE (Danny @ Nov 14 2013, 05:40 PM) *
Only 2 of them are half good enough to be Milan defenders. Silvestre is barely squad, Bonera is squad, Zapata is in atrocious form, and Mexes, while he's been ok this season has been off his best. My optimism allows me to suggest Rami might be decent.

The word 'fine' covers nothing about any area of the park currently or in the near future.


Mexes and Rami are more than fine, Zapata is in bad form but last season proves that he's a good defender, and Silvestre has done well in those few games he's played. Yeah, I think 'fine' is the right word to use in this situation. Not good, not great, but fine.

Posted by: Danny Nov 14 2013, 04:23 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 14 2013, 03:02 PM) *
I don't think there are any remote chances of us making the CL for next season regardless of who we sign.



Mexes and Rami are more than fine,


No, I'd stop at fine for those two at the most generous and no more. We're used to Maldini, Silva and Nesta, by comparison these two are absolutely pathetic.

Mexes has had a decent career but nothing more. He's achieved little at club level since Auxerre, has had a generous 30 caps or so for his country, and suffers dubious temperament. He's fine. Just about.

Rami we don't know about. The majority of us barely even knew who he was. And his career is debatable. He's only fine if he turns out to be.

QUOTE
Zapata is in bad form but last season proves that he's a good defender,


It also 'proved' Constant was a good left back.
This season may be showing what these players really are?
After all, the team's appalling form hasn't affected every player.

QUOTE
and Silvestre has done well in those few games he's played. Yeah, I think 'fine' is the right word to use in this situation. Not good, not great, but fine.


Silvestre has done well? He scored a goal, yes, but we lost 3-2 in Parma! Our defence has actually been even worse with him in it than not.

Honestly, I think you're trying to find something positive, and I don't actually blame you. But no Milanista proud of the club's name can truly look at our central defence other than f*cking abominable at every level.

Unless you are going to use the Allegri excuse, which I don't 100% dispute, but his poor management does not make Mexes try to punch Chiellini, or Zapata just get plain beaten in the air by Toni. Or let him go completely.

Nah, our defence, while last year ok, has this year run out of puff and is requiring an overhaul of a quality higher than Rami. I don't deny Adil's career isn't rubbish, but it's just not Silva. Barely even bronze imo.

Posted by: acid911 Nov 14 2013, 04:30 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Nov 14 2013, 09:23 PM) *
I don't deny Adil's career isn't rubbish, but it's just not Silva. Barely even bronze imo.

laugh.gif biggrin.gif laugh.gif Nice one, Dan!

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 14 2013, 04:32 PM

But you do realise that in the second half of last season, with the same players, we conceded the least amount of goals in all Serie A. I don't think the players per se are the real problem here. Roma has conceded only 3 goals so far, but last season they leaked goals from left to right. And they had pretty much the same players. It's more the fact that the team doesn't work as a unit which influences the defence as well.

Posted by: Danny Nov 14 2013, 05:01 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 14 2013, 03:32 PM) *
But you do realise that in the second half of last season, with the same players, we conceded the least amount of goals in all Serie A. I don't think the players per se are the real problem here. Roma has conceded only 3 goals so far, but last season they leaked goals from left to right. And they had pretty much the same players. It's more the fact that the team doesn't work as a unit which influences the defence as well.


From November to May we were the best team in Serie A, and the reason for that was because our midfield and attack, especially from Balo's arrival onwards, managed to keep the defence fairly protected.

It's telling that Juve's Buffon save per game ratio from November to May is almost identical to Abbiati's (1.41 saves compared to 1.56). Inter's Handanovic, by comparison, is at 2.2.

In other words Inter's defence got far more highly pressured than Juve or Milan's.

Meaning our midfield and attack, especially Balo, did a very good job of reducing the pressure by quite simply keeping the ball away from it, to nearly the same level as Juve - proven because Abbiati had to make considerably less saves than Handanovic.

It's the tactic Barca use - they keep the ball so much up field their defence is barely tested. So the fact it's awful hardly matters. And it's why Bayern utterly destroyed them last season.

Posted by: Danny Nov 14 2013, 05:01 PM

QUOTE (acid911 @ Nov 14 2013, 03:30 PM) *
laugh.gif biggrin.gif laugh.gif Nice one, Dan!


*takes a bow*

Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 14 2013, 05:42 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 14 2013, 05:02 PM) *
I don't think there are any remote chances of us making the CL for next season regardless of who we sign.

I mean in the future seasons too. We need some real quality.

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 14 2013, 06:12 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Nov 14 2013, 07:01 PM) *
From November to May we were the best team in Serie A, and the reason for that was because our midfield and attack, especially from Balo's arrival onwards, managed to keep the defence fairly protected.

It's telling that Juve's Buffon save per game ratio from November to May is almost identical to Abbiati's (1.41 saves compared to 1.56). Inter's Handanovic, by comparison, is at 2.2.

In other words Inter's defence got far more highly pressured than Juve or Milan's.

Meaning our midfield and attack, especially Balo, did a very good job of reducing the pressure by quite simply keeping the ball away from it, to nearly the same level as Juve - proven because Abbiati had to make considerably less saves than Handanovic.

It's the tactic Barca use - they keep the ball so much up field their defence is barely tested. So the fact it's awful hardly matters. And it's why Bayern utterly destroyed them last season.


That's one (correct) way of looking at it. Another way of putting is that our defenders felt comfortable, thus leading to as few mistakes and blunders as possible. Moreover, we were coming from a positive strike of results, which boosted team morale and confidence. That's what I mean by the team working as a unit. Despite playing some ugly football, we still managed to grab positive results in most games. Right now, none of that is working. The defence is doing crap, but the attack is not doing any better, either. And in midfield, apart from De Jong and Poli, nearly everyone else is under-performing.

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Nov 14 2013, 07:42 PM) *
I mean in the future seasons too. We need some real quality.


And a good coach. wink.gif

Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 14 2013, 07:22 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 14 2013, 07:12 PM) *
And a good coach. wink.gif

Agreed. There's very little that doesn't need an upgrade. sad.gif

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