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Posted by: bigmacmtl Jun 3 2007, 08:29 PM

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Ancelotti: Gila can go Sunday 3 June, 2007

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Alberto Gilardino’s time at Milan appears to be up after he threatened to walk out and Carlo Ancelotti opened the door – ushering in Thierry Henry.

The striker caused controversy with an interview in this weekend’s ‘Gazzetta dello Sport’ in which he said he could “not guarantee” he would stay at the club next season, as he demanded more faith in his abilities.


“If Gilardino feels he needs to go, then there’s no reason why we can’t help him achieve that aim, as long as we find a valid alternative,” replied the Coach.


“Up until a few days ago he seemed relaxed and the situation was under control. He speaks of faith and fair play, but we have always put our trust in him. I always considered him an important player, even if at Milan competition for places is mandatory.”


With Ronaldo no longer cup-tied, Pippo Inzaghi in sparkling form and rumours of another major striker brought in this summer, Gilardino fears he will be pushed aside.


“Competition must act as further motivation to do better and certainly not feel like a weight. Gilardino is young, can still improve and has already scored a lot of goals. Like everyone, he has had his ups and downs.”


Gila is very unpopular with a section of the Rossoneri fans and admits he was bitterly disappointed at losing out to Inzaghi in the Champions League Final starting XI.


“The only player at Milan who is sure of always being first choice is Kaka,” continued Ancelotti. “Everyone should take Inzaghi as an example, a player who takes his profession very seriously. He is always ready and works hard no matter what, so he earned his place in the most important match.”


Not only did SuperPippo play in Athens, he scored both goals in the 2-1 victory over Liverpool.


“It is often said that Inzaghi is in love with the goal, but the truth is that the goal is in love with him.”


That Champions League triumph will act as further incentive to bring in top stars, as Ronaldinho, Samuel Eto’o, Andriy Shevchenko and Emerson have been strongly linked.


“We are working to make the team more competitive. What you read in the papers is more or less true, specifically our intention to bring in a midfielder and a forward. Negotiations are tricky, as they involve talking to very prestigious clubs.”


The Coach let slip that one of those target is Arsenal hitman Henry, who may finally be ready to leave the Gunners.


“Henry is a great striker and is among those players who are of interest to us,” said the Milan boss.


There are claims this weekend that a deal for Real Madrid man Emerson has already been secured, with a return to Serie A after his spells at Roma and Juventus.


“I have not named names and do not wish to, but Emerson is a player with the characteristics that would be useful for us.”

Posted by: dst Jun 3 2007, 09:04 PM

Ancelotti seems a bit frustrated about the 'faith' issue... but he doesn't really want Gila to go and neither do I.

But please Carlitto, do name names... rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Portikins Jun 3 2007, 09:09 PM

The thing with Gilardino is that he's still young. And Shevchenko, Henry, etc... all in the 30's. So I'd like to keep Alberto.

Dunno if he thinks that though.

Posted by: misha Jun 3 2007, 09:10 PM

I just can't see why Gila had to speak with Gazetta instead of talking with Carlo.

Posted by: whoarethepatriots Jun 3 2007, 09:11 PM

Ronaldo is 31
Inzaghi is 33
Sheva is almost 31
If we get Henry 30

We need to think about the future and Gila has a future, so long as he stays patient

Posted by: misha Jun 3 2007, 09:14 PM

QUOTE (whoarethepatriots @ Jun 3 2007, 11:11 PM)
Ronaldo is 31
Inzaghi is 33
Sheva is almost 31
If we get Henry 30

We need to think about the future and Gila has a future, so long as he stays patient
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Borriello is 24
Oliveira is 27


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Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jun 3 2007, 09:20 PM

QUOTE (mishale @ Jun 3 2007, 11:14 PM)
Borriello is 24
Oliveira is 27
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Proved a point biggrin.gif

Posted by: Portikins Jun 3 2007, 09:22 PM

QUOTE (mishale @ Jun 3 2007, 09:14 PM)
Borriello is 24
Oliveira is 27
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Er... mad.gif wink.gif

Release those cvnts.

Posted by: misha Jun 3 2007, 09:29 PM

QUOTE (Porty @ Jun 3 2007, 11:22 PM)
Er...  mad.gif  wink.gif

Release those cvnts.
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They won't stay for sure but we do need at least one good young striker.

Let's say that these two are gone and maybe Gila too. We have Ronaldo who's almost 31 but world class and hungry and Pippo who's 33 but finding good form again. We probably would sign another 30 y.o world class and then with young striker (let's say Pato or something) we are set.

Posted by: whoarethepatriots Jun 3 2007, 09:43 PM

QUOTE (mishale @ Jun 3 2007, 08:14 PM)
Borriello is 24
Oliveira is 27
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Those two are useless though, so they werent counted

Posted by: misha Jun 3 2007, 09:46 PM

QUOTE (whoarethepatriots @ Jun 3 2007, 11:43 PM)
Those two are useless though, so they werent counted
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I know. I was joking

Posted by: whoarethepatriots Jun 3 2007, 09:48 PM

QUOTE (mishale @ Jun 3 2007, 08:46 PM)
I know. I was joking
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Sorry, didnt see the smiley face

Posted by: Tennie Jun 4 2007, 02:46 PM

Wow. They must REALLY be mad at Gilardino. Following is a snippet from an interview with Fester in today's Gazzetta.

VILLASIMIUS (Cagliari), 4 giugno 2007 - Ieri, Carlo Ancelotti. Oggi, indirettamente (o forse no), Adriano Galliani. L'obiettivo è il medesimo: Alberto Gilardino. L'amministratore delegato del Milan spiega cosa intende lui per attaccamento alla maglia: "La scorsa estate - ricorda Galliani durante il workshop rossonero che si sta tenendo in questi giorni in Sardegna - tra la mia telefonata per l'improvviso raduno in vista dei preliminari di Champions e l'arrivo di Inzaghi a Milanello sono passate tre ore e mezza. E questo deve essere un esempio per molti altri giocatori. A buon intenditor, poche parole". E l'identikit di quel "buon intenditor" sembra corrispondere ad Alberto Gilardino.


[Translation of the bolded section: Last season, Pippo showed up at Milanello 3 and a half hours after being notified of early preseason training for the CL Preliminaries. That should be an example for a lot of other players.]

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jun 4 2007, 03:06 PM

QUOTE (Tennie @ Jun 4 2007, 04:46 PM)
Last season, Pippo showed up at Milanello 3 and a half hours after being notified of early preseason training for the CL Preliminaries. That should be an example for a lot of other players.
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Pippo is a professional and for that he is a champion king.gif

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jun 4 2007, 03:06 PM

Again .. sorry for the DP

Posted by: Warchant Jun 4 2007, 03:20 PM

i'd hate to see him go, as i see a lot of potential in him. but if he leaves he leaves...there are plenty of strikers who would love to sit on the bench at milan

Posted by: jbryant1 Jun 4 2007, 04:59 PM

Personally I have never liked Gilardino. I think he is probably one of the most overrated players in the world.

Look at his goals. 90 percent of them were fluke goals or goals that didn't mean anything. He has 2 goals in 2 Champions League seasons. Keep this in mind that he has played most games. With the Milan's midfield genius, I could probably score a couple goals as a striker.

He can't dribble, pass, or do much of anything. He is the typical italian striker that needs to be served on a platter but lacks the lethal finishing ability like Inzaghi.

If this is what we get I say throw him to the curb Carlo. We have started this guy time and again and he hasn't brought the goods. We need world class strikers and forwards not some guy who might come around in a couple seasons. He doesn't work in our system.

Ronaldo came in and really put us in CL contention with his goal scoring ability. This is what we need not some guy that we keep saying. Maybe next season he'll come around.

Posted by: redbabies Jun 4 2007, 05:30 PM

I'd give him the chance for another year.

He deserves it for what he did at Parma, and for those goals that he scored in the last 2 seasons. (although he was critisized a lot, he still scored 35 goals in 92 matches for Milan - a goal in every 2.6 matches)

Posted by: weeeow Jun 4 2007, 05:36 PM

third time (year) lucky!!!

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Posted by: han2503 Jun 4 2007, 06:25 PM

QUOTE (jbryant1 @ Jun 4 2007, 03:59 PM)
Look at his goals. 90 percent of them were fluke goals or goals that didn't mean anything. He has 2 goals in 2 Champions League seasons. Keep this in mind that he has played most games. With the Milan's  midfield genius, I could probably score a couple goals as a striker.
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What are you talking about? Fluke goals, he kept Parma in Serie A all by himself for 2 seasons while he was 22. And he's never scored a fluke goal for Milan, I don't think I ever saw him score a deflected goal for Milan (ala Pippo).

And none of our strikers where scoring this season, because our midfield was playing so terrible, at least that was part of the reason, the other was terrible for on their part. But aside from all this Gila managed to be our Serie A top scorer and score some important goals that got us a couple of points this season.

You can't say that all his goals where either meaningless or fluke goals because that is simply not true.

QUOTE (jbryant1 @ Jun 4 2007, 03:59 PM)
He can't dribble, pass, or do much of anything. He is the typical italian striker that needs  to be served on a platter but lacks the lethal finishing ability like Inzaghi.
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I give you the can't dribble part. But the can't pass part is wrong, if you watch him when trying to hold up the ball and pass to on coming midfielders you would see how smart he is. And look at all the great asssts he made for us, especially last season.

And besides, he is a PRIMA punta, his job isn't to create and dribble it is to score. And he has great finishing ability, his problem is that sometimes he doesn't have a cool head in big occasions unlike Pippo.

QUOTE (jbryant1 @ Jun 4 2007, 03:59 PM)
Ronaldo came in and really put us in CL contention with his goal scoring ability. This is what we need not some guy that we keep saying. Maybe next season he'll come around.
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Let's not resort to comparing Gila to Ronaldo now. Gila is an up and coming Italian poacher, Ronaldo is a world renowned superstar he is regarded by some as one of the best to ever play the game.

Its ridiculous to compare the 2 really

Posted by: han2503 Jun 4 2007, 06:29 PM

DP

Posted by: jbryant1 Jun 4 2007, 07:26 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 4 2007, 09:25 AM)
What are you talking about? Fluke goals, he kept Parma in Serie A all by himself for 2 seasons while he was 22. And he's never scored a fluke goal for Milan, I don't think I ever saw him score a deflected goal for Milan (ala Pippo).

And none of our strikers where scoring this season, because our midfield was playing so terrible, at least that was part of the reason, the other was terrible for on their part. But aside from all this Gila managed to be our Serie A top scorer and score some important goals that got us a couple of points this season.

You can't say that all his goals where either meaningless or fluke goals because that is simply not true.
I give you the can't dribble part. But the can't pass part is wrong, if you watch him when trying to hold up the ball and pass to on coming midfielders you would see how smart he is. And look at all the great asssts he made for us, especially last season.

And besides, he is a PRIMA punta, his job isn't to create and dribble it is to score. And he has great finishing ability, his problem is that sometimes he doesn't have a cool head in big occasions unlike Pippo.
Let's not resort to comparing Gila to Ronaldo now. Gila is an up and coming Italian poacher, Ronaldo is a world renowned superstar he is regarded by some as one of the best to ever play the game.

Its ridiculous to compare the 2 really
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Most of the reason our strikers haven't scored is because Gila has played most of the games. He doesn't work well with Oliveira, but Oliveira hasn't done well. We didn't address the problem at the beginning of the season.

This isn't Parma, this is Milan. he went from being a top scorer and producer to not being able to score consistently. What I mean about fluke goals is that he doesn't create when we need creation. He's not a guy who can come in and score when we need it. There are players out there who can come in so its a competitive issue. We have given him opportunity after opportunity and Milan's management have optimistically backed him.

We do better in the CL when he's not in there. He's on the pitch but missing through most of the scudetto games until a defender or the midfield score. We need world class players for a world class team and Gilardino doesn't fit it so well especially when he's complaining about Milan's treatment of him. Any other club would have thrown him to the curb.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 4 2007, 07:57 PM

QUOTE (jbryant1 @ Jun 4 2007, 03:59 PM)
Personally I have never liked Gilardino. I think he is probably one of the most overrated players in the world.

Look at his goals. 90 percent of them were fluke goals or goals that didn't mean anything. He has 2 goals in 2 Champions League seasons. Keep this in mind that he has played most games. With the Milan's  midfield genius, I could probably score a couple goals as a striker.
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His goal against Roma was very important, and was a superb finish, it's hard enough to win a header in your opponents box, but to do it while being dragged down AND score is something else, as I said before, it was also important.

I know he's only scored 2 CL goals, which is a poor return, but his goal against United was also superb. My worst nightmare as a striker is going through THAT clear, like he did. Because you have to score, you've got no excuses, it's alot of pressure and he handled it well with a great finish.

Give him 1 moer year, if he fails to make much of an impact then it's best for both him and the club that he leaves.

Posted by: littlechris Jun 4 2007, 08:00 PM

QUOTE (jbryant1 @ Jun 4 2007, 07:26 PM)
Most of the reason our strikers haven't scored is because Gila has played most of the games. He doesn't work well with Oliveira, but Oliveira hasn't done well. We didn't address the problem at the beginning of the season.

This isn't Parma, this is Milan. he went from being a top scorer and producer to not being able to score consistently. What I mean about fluke goals is that he doesn't create when we need creation. He's not a guy who can come in and score when we need it. There are players out there who can come in so its a competitive issue. We have given him opportunity after opportunity and Milan's management have optimistically backed him.

We do better in the CL when he's not in there. He's on the pitch but missing through most of the scudetto games until a defender or the midfield score. We need world class players for a world class team and Gilardino doesn't fit it so well especially when he's complaining about Milan's treatment of him. Any other club would have thrown him to the curb.
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I think i agree with u he fail to lift up to xpectation. he score only 2 in 2 season of champions league football. if inter want him we should do trade by barter, let ibrahimovic come to Ac milan and gilardino going the opposite way. as for henry and eto'o, i will prefer ibrahimovic. can't wait to see him partnering ronaldo in attack.

Posted by: whoarethepatriots Jun 4 2007, 08:07 PM

QUOTE (jbryant1 @ Jun 4 2007, 06:26 PM)
Most of the reason our strikers haven't scored is because Gila has played most of the games. He doesn't work well with Oliveira, but Oliveira hasn't done well. We didn't address the problem at the beginning of the season.

This isn't Parma, this is Milan. he went from being a top scorer and producer to not being able to score consistently. What I mean about fluke goals is that he doesn't create when we need creation. He's not a guy who can come in and score when we need it. There are players out there who can come in so its a competitive issue. We have given him opportunity after opportunity and Milan's management have optimistically backed him.

We do better in the CL when he's not in there. He's on the pitch but missing through most of the scudetto games until a defender or the midfield score. We need world class players for a world class team and Gilardino doesn't fit it so well especially when he's complaining about Milan's treatment of him. Any other club would have thrown him to the curb.
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Gilardino is a striker who can bring others into play, look at Kaka's goal vs Catania and you will see that, that is but one example

Gilardino can dribble, he just dosent have the pace or ingenuity to beat his man in most occassions

Olivera has been pathetic and its best i avoid mentioning his name for a while

Luca Toni was a pretty decent striker, but after he turned about 27, he literally exploded and couldnt stop scoring, im not saying that its gonna take years but Gila needs decent support in order to score, something he wasnt regularly getting

Wayne Rooney plays pathetic when isolated, and Gila has been isolated alot, no service equals no impact, he isnt a Kaka, who can do everything him self

Be patient give him a little time 17 goals scored in a debut season is not bad

3 Goals for a debut season though...

Posted by: whoarethepatriots Jun 4 2007, 08:17 PM

QUOTE (littlechris @ Jun 4 2007, 07:00 PM)
I think i agree with u he fail to lift up to xpectation. he score only 2 in 2 season of champions league football. if inter want him we should do trade by barter, let ibrahimovic come to Ac milan and gilardino going the opposite way. as for henry and eto'o, i will prefer ibrahimovic. can't wait to see him partnering ronaldo in attack.
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Adriano is almost as useless as Olivera

Moratti will not enter any kind of negotations with us, our relationship with the Nerazzuri is at an all time low so i doubt, no guarantee we wont get him or Ibra

Henry is proabably off to Barca, and Eto'o will most likely go to the premiership where one of their teams will pay a high transfer fee to land him, Arsenal or Liverpool spring to mind

Ronaldo will probably get injured at some point next season and be out for a while, and if we loose Gila then only,Fillipo "how long can i last" Inzaghi, Ricardo "i am as predatory as a giraffe" Olivera and Marco "why am i not at treviso" Borriello will be left

At that point you would scream for Gilardino back

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Posted by: Portikins Jun 4 2007, 08:46 PM

I wouldn't trade Gilardino for Adriano. Never.

At least Gilardino runs and it's not lazy. Plus, he's italian and still young.

Posted by: whoarethepatriots Jun 4 2007, 08:49 PM

QUOTE (Porty @ Jun 4 2007, 07:46 PM)
I wouldn't trade Gilardino for Adriano. Never.

At least Gilardino runs and it's not lazy. Plus, he's italian and still young.
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Exactly, too many foreigners and we become like Inter or Arsenal, and loose our identity

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jun 4 2007, 08:49 PM

ohmy.gif Porty and I are agreeing on something....the world is gonna end....!!!!

Posted by: misha Jun 4 2007, 08:51 PM

QUOTE (whoarethepatriots @ Jun 4 2007, 10:17 PM)
Ronaldo will probably get injured at some point next season and be out for a while, and if we loose Gila then only,Fillipo "how long can i last"  Inzaghi, Ricardo "i am as predatory as a giraffe" Olivera and Marco "why am i not at treviso" Borriello will be left

At that point you would scream for Gilardino back

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The problem with that is if Gila won't leave without proper replacement and Oli+Borriello will be gone to in exchange to world class striker. At least that what our managmet are saying.

Plus about E'too and Henry It's all just rumors.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jun 4 2007, 09:03 PM

Doesn't make sense misha.....

You don't exchange two average strikers for one worldclass striker. Maybe one striker and one mid or one striker and one defender for ur top gun...

Posted by: misha Jun 4 2007, 09:09 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jun 4 2007, 11:03 PM)
Doesn't make sense misha.....

You don't exchange two average strikers for one worldclass striker. Maybe one striker and one mid or one striker and one defender for ur top gun...
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Borriello and Oli are useless and probably won't be here. Or one of them will be a 5th option.
If Gila leaves he will be replaced with somebody decent(Carlo said it)
And we were promised a world calass striker.

Now as I see it our options are:
1. R99, Gila ,Pippo, World class
2. R99, Pippo, decent striker (somebody Gila's calibre), world class
3. R99, Pippo, young striker, world class

Posted by: Portikins Jun 4 2007, 09:10 PM

SELL Boriello and Oliveira. Then go for 10R. biggrin.gif

Gilardino, Ronaldo, Inzaghi and Ronaldinho.
I think with those 4 we can go for everything.

Ronaldo and Inzaghi are not young. Plus... injuries. Gilardino would have many minutes to play. I've no doubt.

Posted by: Portikins Jun 4 2007, 09:20 PM

QUOTE (mishale @ Jun 4 2007, 09:09 PM)
If Gila leaves he will be replaced with somebody decent(Carlo said it)

Problem is: if he leaves we'll lose 1 italian and specially a young attacking player.

We'd need to sub him with a guy +/- his age (25) or younger:

-Torres (23)
-Huntelaar (24)
-Tevez (23)
-Quagliarella (24)
-Pato (18)

It wouldn't be a nice idea if our management decided to go for someone like Vieri or Lucarelli... old guns. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: misha Jun 4 2007, 09:24 PM

QUOTE (Porty @ Jun 4 2007, 11:20 PM)
We'd need to sub him with a guy +/- his age (25) or younger:
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Agreed.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jun 4 2007, 09:28 PM

Thing is Oli might get offloaded but to a second rung club about Aston Villa standard(wink.gif yes I'AM looking to pick up a fight here!!!), but maybe u'll get 7 million to 9 million for him...

For Boriello, I can see only an Italian future with maybe a Torino class club...for maybe 3 to 5 million euros.

Big loss.

I say screw it.

Loan Boriello to Parma or the Viola. Keep Oli on for one more season. Play the Ka-Ro-Oli trident whenever we can....try to kick form into him. Thing is you can't question Sheva's class inspite of his mediocre performances, and he's played 3 times as much as Oli. I don't think we've put as much faith in Oli and they've put in Sheva, and maybe he's starting to feel it.

I don't think we should drop anyone else off. Maybe even get Marzoratti back and make him regular for Coppa Italia. Play him alongside Paolo as much as possible.

Basically to quote my namesake 'Take what u can, and give nothing back!'

In other words...dig into our CL earnings for transfers this season. We can't not win more than one cup this season!!!

Posted by: Portikins Jun 4 2007, 09:38 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jun 4 2007, 09:28 PM)
Thing is Oli might get offloaded but to a second rung club about Aston Villa standard(wink.gif yes I'AM looking to pick up a fight here!!!), but maybe u'll get 7 million to 9 million for him...

No way. We'd get at least 15M euros for a Brazil NT foward.

I still cannot believe we paid 22M for him last Summer. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: misha Jun 4 2007, 09:38 PM

You can loan Oli to another club and sell him a year later in order not to lose too much money on him

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jun 4 2007, 09:46 PM

Off topic....not gonna start a new topic for that...

* Bayern releases a statement on sky sports saying they're close to getting Ribery

* IIT Kanpur, one of the most prestigious tech colleges in India just got hacked. It's like hacking the MIT webpage. Check www.iitk.ac.in

P.S: And I really think both Oli and Gila deserve one more season. It would be cheap of us to unload him like this....

Posted by: KillerMax Jun 4 2007, 09:58 PM

Oli? No. He is not even trying. That's not something that will get fixed as time goes on.

Gila? He should most definitely stay with us. But if he is absolutely certain that he wants to leave, I wouldn't sell him to a team abroad. 1) My heart can't take seeing an ex-rossoneri scoring against us. 2) He could definitely strengthen the other team. Gila will have to stay and fight for a spot for the first 11. If he is not capable of doing that, then I guess he doesn't deserve to stay after all.

Posted by: bigmacmtl Jun 4 2007, 10:18 PM

the way i see it gila is acting childish. that sorta attitude is a losers mentality. he's pretty much saying he's giving up cuz he has no chance to be in our starting eleven. well if he's going to have that attitude then of course he'll never make it. i mean this goes on in every club, but most of them players will end up leaving because they dont get the chance to proove themselves. GIla has been given tones and he's complaining... if you asked me i'd say he should stay and we get ride of oli and boriello asn bring in 1 world class striker. but hey if gila is throwing in the towel and belives he has no chance to be starter or get enough play time then by all means leave.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jun 4 2007, 10:25 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jun 4 2007, 11:46 PM)
* IIT Kanpur, one of the most prestigious tech colleges in India just got hacked. It's like hacking the MIT webpage. Check www.iitk.ac.in
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laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

And it is still on !!!

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jun 4 2007, 10:50 PM

^^^

Ha ha they'd taken it offline...looks like the students there are smarter than the lab staff.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jun 4 2007, 11:30 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jun 5 2007, 12:50 AM)
^^^

Ha ha they'd taken it offline...looks like the students there are smarter than the lab staff.
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hehe u mean like some ppl I know biggrin.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif .. U didnt !!! huh.gif ohmy.gif

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 5 2007, 12:05 AM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jun 4 2007, 08:28 PM)
Thing is Oli might get offloaded but to a second rung club about Aston Villa standard(wink.gif yes I'AM looking to pick up a fight here!!!)
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And a fight you shall get!

Why am I getting picked on now? dry.gif


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Loan Boriello to Parma or the Viola. Keep Oli on for one more season. Play the Ka-Ro-Oli trident whenever we can....try to kick form into him.


He's got it, we need to do that whenever we can. How is Oli ever going to improve playing in our 'B' side, with the likes of Brocchi giving him service?

He's at a disadvantage that whenever Gila or R9 play, they're important games so the whole team is up for it. When Oli plays, it's usually because it's against a lower club and he doesn't get the same quality service as the other strikers. Give him a chance with Kaka', R9, Pirlo, etc. See how he fares, if badly, loan him out/get rid of him.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jun 5 2007, 12:59 AM

So you wanna a fight and then you agree with me?? What are you stupid???

Goddamn villains. tongue.gif

Btw if it makes u feel any better Villa are my number 2 club tied with Arsenal. Too bad the magpies gonna kick ur @$$ this season. tongue.gif

But back to topic....the last and if I remember the only time we played Ka-Ro-Oli....we burnt the pitch. The Brazillian trident was too good. And this with Pirlo still playing 'Man on the Moon', and Seedorf bothered about his butt manicure.

Things will be different if we throw the dice that way...one more time.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 5 2007, 01:06 AM

I'm not sure what I'm insulted by the most.. Being called stupid or having Villa mentioned along with Arsenal.

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And this with Pirlo still playing 'Man on the Moon', and Seedorf bothered about his butt manicure.


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I thought the word 'Manicure' meant something to do with the hands though? Not that I'm getting picky. tongue.gif

In all seriousness. You can't give a striker that plays internationally for one of the best countries in the World just one year. Adaption is a big thing, once Oli grasps how the league is played, he'll alter his game to fit the league and he'll be fine.

It's not like Astronaughts can fly to space without any 'real' experience, so we can't expect Oliveira to be able to play in Italy without much experience.. Not that I'm comparing Serie A to a space shuttle.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jun 5 2007, 01:16 AM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 5 2007, 03:06 AM)
It's not like Astronaughts can fly to space without any 'real' experience, so we can't expect Oliveira to be able to play in Italy without much experience.. Not that I'm comparing Serie A to a space shuttle.
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How is that ?? Please elaborate biggrin.gif

Posted by: misha Jun 5 2007, 01:22 AM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 5 2007, 03:06 AM)
In all seriousness. You can't give a striker that plays internationally for one of the best countries in the World just one year. Adaption is a big thing, once Oli grasps how the league is played, he'll alter his game to fit the league and he'll be fine.

It's not like Astronaughts can fly to space without any 'real' experience, so we can't expect Oliveira to be able to play in Italy without much experience.. Not that I'm comparing Serie A to a space shuttle.
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We bought Ronaldo and if world class striker would come (as promised) than we just don't have space for him. He will be 5th striker and I can't see him receiving many opportunities. He should find himself a nice team in Spain IMHO.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 5 2007, 01:33 AM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jun 5 2007, 12:16 AM)
How is that ?? Please elaborate biggrin.gif
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In space you've got to try and avoind big rocks. Or you'll be smashed to peices
In Serie A you have to avoid Rino and Vieira.. Or you'll be smashed to peices.

In space you have to be careful what you do otherwise you could lose all your oxygen and suffocate.
In Serie A you have to be careful what you do, otherwise Matrix will strangle you, and you'll suffocate.

In space Eastern European's are proven pro's. With the Russian space shuttles and all.
In Serie A, Sheva, an Eastern European is a proven pro.

If Oliviera was to go into space, I'm pretty sure he'd fail badly.
Oliviera is in Serie A and he's failed, badly.

There are many more similarities between space and Serie A. You'd be surprised at how many there are.. Sign Neil Armstrong up, I'm sure he'd be a hit in Serie A, too. cool.gif

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jun 5 2007, 01:59 AM

^^^^ LOOOOOOOOOL


Gnite

Posted by: han2503 Jun 5 2007, 03:21 PM

QUOTE (jbryant1 @ Jun 4 2007, 06:26 PM)
Most of the reason our strikers haven't scored is because Gila has played most of the games. He doesn't work well with Oliveira, but Oliveira hasn't done well. We didn't address the problem at the beginning of the season.
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That's BS, and you know it, at the biggening of the season Carlo was strarting Pippo and Gila TOGETHER with most of the midfield still on holiday after the world cup, and you can see how much this combo worked, to put it simply it was terrible.

Oli never worked here and as I previously said before no one at Milan and most fans don't expect Gila to do what you are saying, he's not a dribbler or a creative forward, if you want that then go for someone like Zlatan not Gila. Gila is a prima punte, just there to recieve passes and score just like Pippo. I really don't understand what you're expecting him to do!!

QUOTE (jbryant1 @ Jun 4 2007, 06:26 PM)
This isn't Parma, this is Milan. he went from being a top scorer and producer to not being able to score consistently. What I mean about fluke goals is that he doesn't create when we need creation. He's not a guy who can come in and score when we need it. There are players out there who can come in so its a competitive issue. We have given him opportunity after opportunity and Milan's management have optimistically backed him.
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He was never a producer at Parma he was a scorer. And he has scored important goals for us this season and even last season he had won us a couple of games with his goals, all be it against small teams but to win the league you need to win against the small teams also.

And he's not complaining about the competition in fact he said that he has no problem with it. He's probably more dissappointed in himself after a so so season where he knows that he could have done better.

QUOTE (jbryant1 @ Jun 4 2007, 06:26 PM)
We do better in the CL when he's not in there. He's on the pitch but missing through most of the scudetto games until a defender or the midfield score. We need world class players for a world class team and Gilardino doesn't fit it so well especially when he's complaining about Milan's treatment of him. Any other club would have thrown him to the curb.
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And I already said that he has been a let down in the CL so far, but he is getting better at it, a much bigger improvement over last season, and hopefully that goal against Man U helped give a big boost to his confidence in the CL.

As far as Serie A goes, he has been 1 of the top strikers in the competition over the last 4 seasons, his goal ratio is second to none.

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jun 4 2007, 08:46 PM)
* Bayern releases a statement on sky sports saying they're close to getting Ribery
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I would bet that if we were to swoop for him we would get him easily. Why would someone as talented as ribery go to Bayern, and not just that, Bayern WITHOUT CL football?? Just doesn't make any sense.

He would be perfect to play alongside Kaka in the xmas tree formation for next season in the CL.

I really hope that someone ould wake Galliani and Co. up to try and go for him before he signs for Bayern, which imo is a totally stupid move on his part.

Posted by: tom_valtellina Jun 5 2007, 04:00 PM

^^^I'm with Han 100% on the Gila issue. The guy is a World Cup winner and a Champions League winner and he's still only 25. With that sort of experience he is going to get better and better, and he already has a good record in Serie A.

As Porty said earlier, there will still be many minutes for him to play next season even if a world class striker comes in and he is third choice. The competition for a place will improve his game vastly. Just look at Drogba this season. Sheva arrives and suddenly Drogba realises he is going to really need to perform, and delivers an absolutely massive season.

The thing I like about Gila is that he is a very hard worker. Even if he hasn't been scoring in Cl, he works very hard for the team and you definitely can't call him lazy. His scoring record in the CL this season hasn't been great but in the knockout stages he was forced to play up front on his own which isn't easy. He picked up in Serie A when Ronaldo arrived and he had someone to work with.

I suspect the interview he gave to Gazetto reflects a bit of frustration and disappointment he feels about the criticism he has received and missing out on a start in the CL Final. I know Milan management have a high regard for him as a person so hopefully both parties can work things out and he stays and proves his value to everyone.

Posted by: misha Jun 5 2007, 08:28 PM

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Milan name price for Gilardino

MILAN (Reuters) - AC Milan are prepared to sell unsettled striker Alberto Gilardino for 24 million euros (16.3 million pounds) if he still wishes to move, club vice-president Adriano Galliani said on Tuesday.

The Italy forward, who scored 12 goals in Serie A last season, had said he does not feel fully appreciated at the San Siro.

"The team continues to believe and have faith in him," Galliani was quoted as saying on the club Web site (www.acmilan.com). "However, his comments in recent days are not particularly pleasing to us and therefore if he continues to be unhappy and wishes to move, we will let him go if a club bids 24 million euros."

Filippo Inzaghi was preferred to the former Parma forward in Milan's Champions League final win over Liverpool last month and took full advantage by scoring twice.

Galliani added that only Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Inter Milan and "a couple of English clubs" could afford Gilardino, who will miss Italy's Euro 2008 qualifier in Lithaunia on Wednesday after deciding to have knee surgery.

Milan struggled for goals in the early part of the season after selling Andriy Shevchenko to Chelsea. They brought in Ronaldo in January but have since been linked with the return of Shevchenko or a bid for Arsenal striker Thierry Henry.

Posted by: weeeow Jun 5 2007, 10:06 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 5 2007, 01:33 AM)
In space you've got to try and avoind big rocks. Or you'll be smashed to peices
In Serie A you have to avoid Rino and Vieira.. Or you'll be smashed to peices.

In space you have to be careful what you do otherwise you could lose all your oxygen and suffocate.
In Serie A you have to be careful what you do, otherwise Matrix will strangle you, and you'll suffocate.

In space Eastern European's are proven pro's. With the Russian space shuttles and all.
In Serie A, Sheva, an Eastern European is a proven pro.

If Oliviera was to go into space, I'm pretty sure he'd fail badly.
Oliviera is in Serie A and he's failed, badly.

There are many more similarities between space and Serie A. You'd be surprised at how many there are.. Sign Neil Armstrong up, I'm sure he'd be a hit in Serie A, too.  cool.gif
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cool.gif nice post!! laugh.gif

Posted by: jbryant1 Jun 6 2007, 05:30 PM

QUOTE (tom_valtellina @ Jun 5 2007, 07:00 AM)
^^^I'm with Han 100% on the Gila issue. The guy is a World Cup winner and a Champions League winner and he's still only 25. With that sort of experience he is going to get better and better, and he already has a good record in Serie A.


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Yeah a world cup winner and Champions League winner and contributed virtually nothing to the process of winning those awards. In the CL he deserves the golden flop award. Literally the press refers to Gilardino as the "Milan Flop." In the World Cup other players really made that happen.

The real key with his statistics is to consider that Milan have used him almost every game. With our midfield and defense setting up opportunities, Gila for the chances he's received has done close to nothing. At the same time its also the impact in the situation when those goals were score. Gila scores goals when we simply don't need them after we are routing a team 2-0, he'll score. In tight situations he has close to zero goals. His technique, scoring ability is the worst that I have seen for a top club.

He's a player that has gotten worse since the day he came to Milan. He went from top of the league to middle of the league and lets face it you got guys from Reggina and other small clubs there. If I was the coach he would not be the primary striker. I don't want to wait 4 years until he blossoms.

Posted by: KillerMax Jun 6 2007, 05:36 PM

QUOTE (jbryant1 @ Jun 6 2007, 10:30 AM)
The real key with his statistics is to consider that Milan have used him almost every game. With our midfield and defense setting up opportunities, Gila for the chances he's received has done close to nothing. At the same time its also the impact in the situation when those goals were score. Gila scores goals when we simply don't need them after we are routing a team 2-0, he'll score. In tight situations he has close to zero goals. His technique, scoring ability is the worst that I have seen for a top club.

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If you guys don't admit that this part of what jbryant said is true, then you are simply being dishonest. This is a huge factor about Gila and his game to consider.

Posted by: han2503 Jun 6 2007, 09:58 PM

QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Jun 6 2007, 04:36 PM)
If you guys don't admit that this part of what jbryant said is true, then you are simply being dishonest. This is a huge factor about Gila and his game to consider.
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I am not saying it's untrue, in fact I agreed with him on this part. But I also said tha he is improving on scoring in under pressure situations. When last season he practically scored close to none in those situations this season he has come up with some moments.

@jbryant, As for the CL and world cup thing, maybe in the CL he didn't contribute, but you can't say that about the World cup because if you're going to criticise Gila for the WC you might as well criticise every striker that was on that team because none of them produced the goods.

At least Gila did contribute against The USA and Germany, look what the hot shot Luca Toni did rolleyes.gif scored 2 tappins against Ukraine. How nice of him, Italy wouldn't have survived without his contribution rolleyes.gif Please!

And when you talk about season a player with lesser technique then Gila you might want to reconsider since half the time Pippo doesn't know why he's on a football pitch but we still root for him and is a fan favourite because he scores goals for us. Gila has 10x more technique then Pippo

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jun 6 2007, 10:57 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 6 2007, 11:58 PM)
I am not saying it's untrue, in fact I agreed with him on this part. But I also said tha he is improving on scoring in under pressure situations. When last season he practically scored close to none in those situations this season he has come up with some moments.

@jbryant, As for the CL and world cup thing, maybe in the CL he didn't contribute, but you can't say that about the World cup because if you're going to criticise Gila for the WC you might as well criticise every striker that was on that team because none of them produced the goods.

At least Gila did contribute against The USA and Germany, look what the hot shot Luca Toni did  rolleyes.gif  scored 2 tappins against Ukraine. How nice of him, Italy wouldn't have survived without his contribution  rolleyes.gif  Please!

And when you talk about season a player with lesser technique then Gila you might want to reconsider since half the time Pippo doesn't know why he's on a football pitch but we still root for him and is a fan favourite because he scores goals for us. Gila has 10x more technique then Pippo
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`But doesn't score goals ... At 25, Gilardino should have faith in his game, instead he is still a HUGE question mark.

What good is technique, if u don't score ?! I wouldn't mind him staying, he should just shut up and sit his @ss down, on the bench. When he opens his mouth, I just think it is best to shove him out.

Posted by: han2503 Jun 7 2007, 12:05 AM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jun 6 2007, 09:57 PM)
`But doesn't score goals ... At 25, Gilardino should have faith in his game, instead he is still a HUGE question mark.

What good is technique, if u don't score ?! I wouldn't mind him staying, he should just shut up and sit his @ss down, on the bench. When he opens his mouth, I just think it is best to shove him out.
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Agreed.

But I really don't see wht's so horrible and earth shattering about what he said.

The only thing he's saying is that he's open to competition for places but if players are unfairly chosen to start just because of their name then he will think about leaving.

Only just being honest about how he feels regarding the situation

Posted by: KillerMax Jun 7 2007, 12:09 AM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 6 2007, 05:05 PM)
The only thing he's saying is that he's open to competition for places but if players are unfairly chosen to start just because of their name then he will think about leaving.
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You, him and I all know that that's not how it works in Milan. Especially with Ancelotti.

Posted by: han2503 Jun 7 2007, 12:17 AM

QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Jun 6 2007, 11:09 PM)
You, him and I all know that that's not how it works in Milan. Especially with Ancelotti.
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Yeah I know, but if he has doubts, he has doubts, yes it was stupid to talk to the press about it, he could have easily resolved whatever doubts he had with Carlo in private.

My biggest fear if we sell Gila to Juve is that he will most probably explode there and get back his Parma form, and I'm pretty sure of this. So that is what scares me the most, and if we had to sell him I would rather we try with a club outside of Italy

Posted by: KillerMax Jun 7 2007, 12:29 AM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 6 2007, 05:17 PM)
My biggest fear if we sell Gila to Juve is that he will most probably explode there and get back his Parma form, and I'm pretty sure of this. So that is what scares me the most, and if we had to sell him I would rather we try with a club outside of Italy
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That is my exact thoughts too. And he can explode again here with us too. He just has to shut his mouth, stop nagging, and start working hard. Inzaghi could be a great example for anyone. Especially for Gila. Keep your head down, work hard, and it WILL pay off!

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