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Fillipo Simone
post Sep 2 2014, 01:36 PM
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I dunno. You seem to be obsessed by Zaccardo. He's a leech, agreed. But he's not costing us much to be quite frank.
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post Sep 2 2014, 03:43 PM
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I couldn't be much happier with our mercato everything considered. good job Galliani.
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post Sep 2 2014, 04:46 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 2 2014, 01:36 PM) *
I dunno. You seem to be obsessed by Zaccardo. He's a leech, agreed. But he's not costing us much to be quite frank.

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Every time I mention a player more than once you brandish me as "obsessed" with him...

I'm not obsessed with him, as long as his @ss is sitting I don't care much about him, but he is extra dead weight that costs us 1.6m to lug around each year. My point was, I'd have been happier if he was gone, I'm not going to cry about the fact that we're still stuck with him though

It's just irritating that we're stuck with players like him because we gave them contracts that they would never have outside of Milan. Like I said to Jack a Serie A side like Parma could never pay a player 1.6m before taxes, especially someone like Zaccardo, that's what they give to their main player, not an old mistake prone defender, which is why it's always so hard to get rid of them, how many times have we tried to flog him on some other team in these last 2/3 transfer windows or so? We ried to do it 3 times just this summer alone and every time he refuses to go. We had the same issue with Agazzi as well this summer, us giving him that contract is like winning the lotto for him and he'll cling on desperately to it
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post Sep 2 2014, 05:58 PM
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No not really. You see in Milan he was getting the same wages as at Parma when he left them to join us. I did mention why that deal broke down. Parma actually owe him wages from his previous stint and they refused to pay up.

I won't be surprised if he leaves by Jan or signs out a deal to reduce his wages.
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post Sep 2 2014, 06:17 PM
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QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Sep 2 2014, 05:58 PM) *
No not really. You see in Milan he was getting the same wages as at Parma when he left them to join us. I did mention why that deal broke down. Parma actually owe him wages from his previous stint and they refused to pay up.

I won't be surprised if he leaves by Jan or signs out a deal to reduce his wages.

I'd rather we pay out what we have left and rescind it rather than extend it to lower his wage

And no, he wasn't earning the 0.8m he's earning at Milan, nothing has been said with regards to what he was earning, just that Parma still owed him money from his previous stay (money that could be still owed from multiple wages not being paid in full)
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post Sep 2 2014, 07:02 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 2 2014, 07:17 PM) *
I'd rather we pay out what we have left and rescind it rather than extend it to lower his wage

And no, he wasn't earning the 0.8m he's earning at Milan, nothing has been said with regards to what he was earning, just that Parma still owed him money from his previous stay (money that could be still owed from multiple wages not being paid in full)

At 0.8M he would be the 4th highest paid player in Parma (link), so I kind of doubt it. AFAIAC, 0.8M is a lot of money for someone who is not likely to ever play. And IMHO, that is a big part of our current financial problems. The situation is slowly improving, but our salaries are high in relation to quality (link), and that limits our ability to make the right moves in the market.

On a more positive note, I believe we did fairly well this summer and I think we have a shot at that 3rd CL spot.
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post Sep 2 2014, 07:07 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 2 2014, 06:46 PM) *
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Every time I mention a player more than once you brandish me as "obsessed" with him...

I'm not obsessed with him, as long as his @ss is sitting I don't care much about him, but he is extra dead weight that costs us 1.6m to lug around each year. My point was, I'd have been happier if he was gone, I'm not going to cry about the fact that we're still stuck with him though

It's just irritating that we're stuck with players like him because we gave them contracts that they would never have outside of Milan. Like I said to Jack a Serie A side like Parma could never pay a player 1.6m before taxes, especially someone like Zaccardo, that's what they give to their main player, not an old mistake prone defender, which is why it's always so hard to get rid of them, how many times have we tried to flog him on some other team in these last 2/3 transfer windows or so? We ried to do it 3 times just this summer alone and every time he refuses to go. We had the same issue with Agazzi as well this summer, us giving him that contract is like winning the lotto for him and he'll cling on desperately to it

I think you are (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) With him and Cerci. Look how many times you mentioned Cerci's name, in the end he ended up with Atleti. A complete waste.

Now on the matter of Zaccardo I agree partially with you. Yes, he has to go. But does that mean I'd rather take Biabiany then Bonaventura? Hell, no!
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post Sep 2 2014, 07:34 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 2 2014, 07:07 PM) *
I think you are (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) With him and Cerci. Look how many times you mentioned Cerci's name, in the end he ended up with Atleti. A complete waste.

Now on the matter of Zaccardo I agree partially with you. Yes, he has to go. But does that mean I'd rather take Biabiany then Bonaventura? Hell, no!

I didn't say I'd rather take Biabiany, I just said that the only reason I was sad that the Biabiany deal didn't go through is because Zaccardo would have gone the other way, and that means 1 less deadweight on the roster. The exchange could have involved anyone out of Agazzi, Albertazzi, Zaccardo, heck, Essien or Muntari and I would have been happy about it because that's one useless player out

And no matter how much I don't rate Biabiany on a technical level, he'd have been a good option off the bench when the opposition was tiring.

I think you can say I'm obsessed with getting rid of the leaches and deadweight on this team, not any one player in particular.

As for Cerci, I mentioned him a lot because we were linked to him basically every week, everyone mentioned him a lot, not just me (although I might have referenced him in a more negative light than others)
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QUOTE (Zed.D @ Sep 2 2014, 07:43 PM) *
I couldn't be much happier with our mercato everything considered. good job Galliani.

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post Sep 3 2014, 01:26 AM
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QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Sep 2 2014, 03:16 AM) *
Summer transfer window closes and Galliani zone was in full effect. I loved it. It leads me to believe that we're getting some groove back, some of our old habits are resurfacing. I'm actually optimistic about this season.

My opinions on the transfer window : 7.5 /10 Or I'd give it a B+. It would have been an A if we had sold Balo for around 10 million more.

I don't have too much complaints about Bonaventura. I see no point in keeping Cristante as one for the future when what we need is someone who can come in and deliver in the present. Galliani tried to push him on loan to Benfica or to other Serie A sides. He refused the loan. Also refused a move within Italy.

Instead we got a highly rated 25 year old (That's still relatively young) who has the same name as myself, and who cried with joy when he signed the contract. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)

Bonaventura is an excellent player who always f@cks up Inter when they play against him, he can play wide or through the middle. Mostly an AM, not a mezzala, but will give us cover for Honda and SeS besides slotting in the mid-3.

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On the transfer window, I think it was an excellent garage clean up. We've made two mistakes in purchasing Agazzi and selling Balo for at least 5 million too less. But we've cleared out a lot of dead-wood and made some good acquisitions for players who will only be playing in one tournament.

I still think we could have gotten rid of 2 more players to cut down the squad size. I feel we don't need a squad size of more than 24 and now we have 27. I would prefer to have Essien, Albertazzi and Saponara out , the latter two on loan.

As for Cristante and playing time, I mentioned this before. For the mid-3 we had 8 players.

1. De Jong
2. Montolivo
3. Muntari
4. Poli
5. van Ginkel
6. Essien
7. Saponara
8. Cristante

I'm listing them in the order with which they're picked into the team. And two players in consecutive arrangement are interchangeable. For example, it's an either/or between Muntari and Poli based on fitness and tactics.

Once again 8 players for 3 positions. For argument's sake let me assume that Essien is crap, and Cristante is better than Saponara in the mid three. Even then he moves up at max to position 6 and perhaps competes with van Ginkel?

van Ginkel is definitely a better player than Cristante at this stage- a better passer and a better scorer of goals and 2 years older than Bryan.

So all in all at this rate, Cristante AT BEST doesn't get more than 10-15 games a season with us in this team. He's at an age and a talent level where he needs to play 20+ games to ever develop into something good. But those 20+ games are going to be a series of B-level performances until he builds up skill to be a starter. Perhaps 3 or 4 years down the line?

Milan cannot have B-level performances from someone in the mid-3, because we are playing a 4-3-3 and we'll get screwed AND the rest of the team isn't as strong to compensate for one player not being good enough in that area.

No player in the modern day has the patience to sit around and wait. All our players who have left the team left because we couldn't give them space. And all of them took their own period of playing 20 games a season before they shone elsewhere.

For e.g. Aubameyang? 4 years in the wilderness of Ligue 1(playing an average of 20 games a season) before he broke big into St.Etienne and subsequently into Dortmund.
The same with Matteo Darmian, who spent the same 4 years in Serie A wilderness before breaking big last year with Torino.


Cristante did not want a loan. He didn't want Serie A for reasons I respect. He's joined Benfica, probably under Rui Costa's wing. I dearly hope we have got a buy back option for sentimental reasons. I don't see him becoming much more than a starter for tier-2 teams at the current rate. For context, we bought SeS at the exact same age as Cristante is now, for more than double the price. And we hardly consider SeS to be a world class athlete.

The last player who I can think of, who did stick with the team through this growing up period as a part-timer before establishing himself fully was Ambrosini. Of course he got the benefits of it, but that's very rare that a player will sacrifice his early years plying along as a substitute.

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This youth project thing everyone harps about - comes at a cost. The cost being present performances. Our youth players at the moment are not at the level of Bayern Munich or Barcelona (the gold standards), at the same time it's not too bad, since our players are actually finding playing time in the top leagues. We shall improve gradually of course. But it's impossible to have a 2-3 year turn around time of youth products.

Even Chelsea and Man City with near infinite resources have failed at this.

We shall probably be some time till we get prodigies who in their teens can walk into the first team. Until then be patient on the youth project.

Great post. Agreed with much, and you managed to bring things to light in a different perspective for me with regards to Cristante. I would really like if he can develop into something nice and reclaim him in the future. Heck Balo too... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)


QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 2 2014, 12:46 PM) *
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Every time I mention a player more than once you brandish me as "obsessed" with him...

I'm not obsessed with him, as long as his @ss is sitting I don't care much about him, but he is extra dead weight that costs us 1.6m to lug around each year. My point was, I'd have been happier if he was gone, I'm not going to cry about the fact that we're still stuck with him though

It's just irritating that we're stuck with players like him because we gave them contracts that they would never have outside of Milan. Like I said to Jack a Serie A side like Parma could never pay a player 1.6m before taxes, especially someone like Zaccardo, that's what they give to their main player, not an old mistake prone defender, which is why it's always so hard to get rid of them, how many times have we tried to flog him on some other team in these last 2/3 transfer windows or so? We ried to do it 3 times just this summer alone and every time he refuses to go. We had the same issue with Agazzi as well this summer, us giving him that contract is like winning the lotto for him and he'll cling on desperately to it

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QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 2 2014, 03:34 PM) *
I didn't say I'd rather take Biabiany, I just said that the only reason I was sad that the Biabiany deal didn't go through is because Zaccardo would have gone the other way, and that means 1 less deadweight on the roster. The exchange could have involved anyone out of Agazzi, Albertazzi, Zaccardo, heck, Essien or Muntari and I would have been happy about it because that's one useless player out

And no matter how much I don't rate Biabiany on a technical level, he'd have been a good option off the bench when the opposition was tiring.

I think you can say I'm obsessed with getting rid of the leaches and deadweight on this team, not any one player in particular.

As for Cerci, I mentioned him a lot because we were linked to him basically every week, everyone mentioned him a lot, not just me (although I might have referenced him in a more negative light than others)

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Wonder if Balotelli is justifying the 'meager' transfer fee this summer (IMG:style_emoticons/default/96.gif)

Had Balotelli stayed, Imagine our current wows plus Balotelli (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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We paid just as much for him.
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That we did, but we were able to recoup that investment. Considering Balotellis attitude, he's still the same brat. Reminds me of the earlier version of cassano.
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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Oct 2 2014, 10:48 PM) *
That we did, but we were able to recoup that investment. Considering Balotellis attitude, he's still the same brat. Reminds me of the earlier version of cassano.


Can't believe I'm saying this but Cassano is a far better player. For all his vile personality defects he never hid on the pitch and is a team player all the way. Balotelli is on the slide in every way and he'll end up at Stoke.
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QUOTE (Danny @ Oct 3 2014, 03:23 PM) *
Can't believe I'm saying this but Cassano is a far better player. For all his vile personality defects he never hid on the pitch and is a team player all the way. Balotelli is on the slide in every way and he'll end up at Stoke.

Definitely.

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