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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 18 2020, 11:35 PM) *
If there's room to criticise, then I don't see the problem in doing that. Like I said before, I'm not the kind of guy who just looks at the result and smile. I always want us to get better and make as few mistakes as possible. It's how winners such as our club should think.


That club you're thinking of is gone. This is a new Milan, and achieving what we have is wonderful.

If you remain stuck in the late 80s and the last 20 years you'll never be able to support what the club is now.

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Am I happy with the results thus far? Extremely. But that's another matter entirely.


Is it? Results are the whole point of football.
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post Yesterday, 02:32 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Oct 21 2020, 12:06 PM) *
That club you're thinking of is gone. This is a new Milan, and achieving what we have is wonderful.

If you remain stuck in the late 80s and the last 20 years you'll never be able to support what the club is now.


Yeah, but it's where we should strive to get back to. That's the whole point.

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Is it? Results are the whole point of football.


Just results? How you you achieve those results doesn't matter? Getting some perspective on whether we'll be able to continue attaining these results in the mid-to-long term? We need to keep improving if we want to become great again.
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post Yesterday, 03:48 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 21 2020, 02:32 PM) *
Yeah, but it's where we should strive to get back to. That's the whole point.


And when we get there we can once again have the mindset of winners. Hard to have that champion outlook when you're outta that loop for 10 years. The obvious examples is Liverpool and Leeds - both champions in the 70s and 80s and 90s but had a 30-year hiatus - can't read the mind of their fans but thinking they're still successful and acting like they should be, if they did, achieved absolutely nothing.

Unfortunately we need to adjust to what we are. It's in the DNA of Milan to be champions, but this is not the Milan of that DNA right now. And as result, being top of the table, 4 wins out of 4 and beating Inter with the goal record we have this season is absolutely remarkable.

I wanted to eat humble pie some months ago about us sustaining tail end of last season into November December. It looks like I might get a feast. And now it's YOU unhappy with the state of play instead!?

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Just results?


Yes.

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How you you achieve those results doesn't matter?


No, it really doesn't.

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Getting some perspective on whether we'll be able to continue attaining these results in the mid-to-long term?


From an analysis point of view I have no complaint about looking in depth at things like stats (our great friend these days (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) ) and looking at the bigger picture. But football will always be about results - not how you got them.

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We need to keep improving if we want to become great again.


Let's be honest - even Carlo's Milan wasn't always great, in fact, it was often far from it - often won ugly and some of his selections were terrible. It's not about being great, it's about winning. Winning is in this club's DNA, however that is achieved.

And if we win the league this season with pure luck and winning each match 1-0 while half the goals are OGs, it's still a win!
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post Yesterday, 03:56 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 19 2020, 12:35 AM) *
Am I happy with the results thus far? Extremely. But that's another matter entirely.

We are getting results *and* we are playing a much more attractive style than we had for a long time. We are well below CL level, and I agree we need to strive to get back there. However, that is not going to happen overnight.
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post Yesterday, 03:57 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Oct 21 2020, 04:48 PM) *
And when we get there we can once again have the mindset of winners. Hard to have that champion outlook when you're outta that loop for 10 years. The obvious examples is Liverpool and Leeds - both champions in the 70s and 80s and 90s but had a 30-year hiatus - can't read the mind of their fans but thinking they're still successful and acting like they should be, if they did, achieved absolutely nothing.

Unfortunately we need to adjust to what we are. It's in the DNA of Milan to be champions, but this is not the Milan of that DNA right now. And as result, being top of the table, 4 wins out of 4 and beating Inter with the goal record we have this season is absolutely remarkable.

I wanted to eat humble pie some months ago about us sustaining tail end of last season into November December. It looks like I might get a feast. And now it's YOU unhappy with the state of play instead!?

Yes.

No, it really doesn't.

From an analysis point of view I have no complaint about looking in depth at things like stats (our great friend these days (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) ) and looking at the bigger picture. But football will always be about results - not how you got them.

Let's be honest - even Carlo's Milan wasn't always great, in fact, it was often far from it - often won ugly and some of his selections were terrible. It's not about being great, it's about winning. Winning is in this club's DNA, however that is achieved.

And if we win the league this season with pure luck and winning each match 1-0 while half the goals are OGs, it's still a win!

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post Yesterday, 03:59 PM
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PS what's the deal with this 'European Premier League' - have Milan got any involvement in this?
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post Yesterday, 04:05 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Oct 21 2020, 03:48 PM) *
And when we get there we can once again have the mindset of winners. Hard to have that champion outlook when you're outta that loop for 10 years. The obvious examples is Liverpool and Leeds - both champions in the 70s and 80s and 90s but had a 30-year hiatus - can't read the mind of their fans but thinking they're still successful and acting like they should be, if they did, achieved absolutely nothing.

Unfortunately we need to adjust to what we are. It's in the DNA of Milan to be champions, but this is not the Milan of that DNA right now. And as result, being top of the table, 4 wins out of 4 and beating Inter with the goal record we have this season is absolutely remarkable.

I wanted to eat humble pie some months ago about us sustaining tail end of last season into November December. It looks like I might get a feast. And now it's YOU unhappy with the state of play instead!?



Yes.



No, it really doesn't.



From an analysis point of view I have no complaint about looking in depth at things like stats (our great friend these days (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) ) and looking at the bigger picture. But football will always be about results - not how you got them.



Let's be honest - even Carlo's Milan wasn't always great, in fact, it was often far from it - often won ugly and some of his selections were terrible. It's not about being great, it's about winning. Winning is in this club's DNA, however that is achieved.

And if we win the league this season with pure luck and winning each match 1-0 while half the goals are OGs, it's still a win!


I get you, I really do. But we've already made that first important step forward. This is not the same Milan of the last 10 years. We're finally getting results, winning big games, we have an identity, a real leader, a coach with a vision, and we're playing realitvely well.

We should build on all this. This year it'll be back to CL, next year I expect us to fight for the scudetto. But only if we're improving. No steps backwards should be accepted anymore.
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post Yesterday, 09:03 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 21 2020, 04:05 PM) *
I get you, I really do. But we've already made that first important step forward. This is not the same Milan of the last 10 years. We're finally getting results, winning big games, we have an identity, a real leader, a coach with a vision, and we're playing realitvely well.


The same coach getting slaughtered in the match thread?!

I do actually eat humble pie on the impact Pioli has made, thought he'd be another mess, but he's been really great and we do look like we're building something tangible.

Getting results and winning big games - isn't that exactly the point I'm making?

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We should build on all this. This year it'll be back to CL, next year I expect us to fight for the scudetto. But only if we're improving. No steps backwards should be accepted anymore.


I don't disagree, but we've not earn the right to expect. Not yet.
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post Yesterday, 10:14 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Oct 21 2020, 09:03 PM) *
The same coach getting slaughtered in the match thread?!


Slaughtered? I only criticised his subs, calm down.

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Getting results and winning big games - isn't that exactly the point I'm making?


That's only part of what I said.
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post Yesterday, 11:00 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Oct 21 2020, 04:59 PM) *
PS what's the deal with this 'European Premier League' - have Milan got any involvement in this?

We may be involved but I am not sure. Either way, I am not convinced this is a great idea. While CL has been dominated by a short list of teams, it is good to see the occasional "outsider" making it to the final stages of the competition. If we have a competition with the same teams, it may be interesting for a few years, but after a while it may lose much of its appeal.
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QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Oct 21 2020, 11:00 PM) *
We may be involved but I am not sure. Either way, I am not convinced this is a great idea. While CL has been dominated by a short list of teams, it is good to see the occasional "outsider" making it to the final stages of the competition. If we have a competition with the same teams, it may be interesting for a few years, but after a while it may lose much of its appeal.

Meh, I think clubs should push for it.

It will render UEFA powerless. Their FFP BS is getting on people's nerves big time, especially when teams like City and PSG keep escaping punishment, while others have to play by the rules.

I say the top clubs should go for it, and negotiate an astronomical TV deal that would put UEFA out of business.


Back to Milan


We've lost Hakan through an ankle injury, not worried about this game in particular as I wanted Pioli to rest him, but he won't be available for the Roma game which is a big blow.
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 22 2020, 12:13 PM) *
Meh, I think clubs should push for it.

It will render UEFA powerless. Their FFP BS is getting on people's nerves big time, especially when teams like City and PSG keep escaping punishment, while others have to play by the rules.

I say the top clubs should go for it, and negotiate an astronomical TV deal that would put UEFA out of business.


Good point. They can go f*ck themselves with their FFP bullshit.

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We've lost Hakan through an ankle injury, not worried about this game in particular as I wanted Pioli to rest him, but he won't be available for the Roma game which is a big blow.


Yeah, big blow, considering we might still have Rebic unavailable as well.

For tonight looks like Dalot might start. Mediaset also has Castillejo starting, and Krunic as LAM which I'm not even even gonna bother with anymore.
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 22 2020, 12:13 PM) *
Meh, I think clubs should push for it.

It will render UEFA powerless. Their FFP BS is getting on people's nerves big time, especially when teams like City and PSG keep escaping punishment, while others have to play by the rules.


tbf City were banned from Europe, until they got it overturned. And it was overturned by a higher court than UEFA so it's not like they chose that.

I get your point, but if you let the likes of City and PSG just spend what they want to, football will lose what little soul it has left and it will be literally about buying success and, player prices, already f*cking insane, will rise so madly as to devalue money so badly that currency may well get affected.

For goodness sake FFP is what stopped City signing Messi for 750M.

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Aren't you just advocating another evil to replace UEFA?
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QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Oct 21 2020, 11:00 PM) *
We may be involved but I am not sure. Either way, I am not convinced this is a great idea. While CL has been dominated by a short list of teams, it is good to see the occasional "outsider" making it to the final stages of the competition. If we have a competition with the same teams, it may be interesting for a few years, but after a while it may lose much of its appeal.


I'm very hmmmmmmmmmm about it. I like the idea of alternatives to stop UEFA's dominant BS, which Han and others allude to, but it's like a dictator - when you depose a dictator you just end up replacing them with another one.

Neither UEFA or FIFA like this plan, because of course it's a huge rival to them, but tbf the CL isn't as fun as it used to be.

It's too clinical, too elitist, and while I admit I wish my teams (Rangers and Milan) were in it of course, there's something more clinical about it these days than even five or 10 years ago.

I was actually talking about this with the missus. The first ever CL, back in 1992/93.

Both my teams were two of the founders, and of course we had Brugge, Marseiile CSKA, Porto, PSV in there as well.

But they were all champions of their country, no non champions got in - Rangers only made it by beating English champions Leeds to qualify.

Now it's been so watered down and moneyed up that it isn't even fun any more.
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