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post Apr 19 2009, 09:53 PM
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QUOTE (aLbErTo @ Apr 19 2009, 09:43 PM) *
you see, you're not gettin what i'm saying...of course i'm implying ambro and rino are on the same level as maldini, not for their playing skills but for their existence at the club that puts them in front of other for captaincy...


The time at club shouldn't even come into the equation, it is what is done on and off the pitch which counts IMO. Ricky is the perfect ambassador for the club, he carries himself excellently on and off the pitch and should rightly be offered the armband next year and for years to come.
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post Apr 19 2009, 09:57 PM
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that's all true...but the fact is that gattuso and ambro are maldini's replacements for years now and you just can't take the armband from them...i don't know, it just wouldn't be right in my opinion
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post Apr 19 2009, 10:04 PM
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QUOTE (aLbErTo @ Apr 19 2009, 09:57 PM) *
that's all true...but the fact is that gattuso and ambro are maldini's replacements for years now and you just can't take the armband from them...i don't know, it just wouldn't be right in my opinion


Personally speaking, I don't think we need both of them what we need in midfield is, like Ricky says, a Gerrard type midfielder - someone who can tackle, pass and play the ball. Rino hasn't played this season and I don't think we've missed him and Ambro is good enough for the subs bench.
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post Apr 19 2009, 10:19 PM
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Going to respectfully disagree with you on this, iross. Milan has never given the armband to whoever happens to be playing best unless that person ALSO has seniority. None of the Dutch trio were ever captain and two of them won the Ballon d'Or. Shevchenko was never captain. I personally think that going by the seniority principle is one of the things that makes Milan unique (and yes, I know other teams don't do it that way) and I'd like to keep it that way.

Going to also go out on a limb and disagree in part with the way Kaka conducts himself off the pitch. I don't like some of the comments he makes in the interviews he gives; if he has a problem with something at Milan (whether it be the medical staff, the transfer policy, the color of the dressing room, etc), I think it should be kept in house and not aired in public.
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post Apr 19 2009, 10:50 PM
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QUOTE (Tennie @ Apr 19 2009, 10:19 PM) *
Going to respectfully disagree with you on this, iross. Milan has never given the armband to whoever happens to be playing best unless that person ALSO has seniority. None of the Dutch trio were ever captain and two of them won the Ballon d'Or. Shevchenko was never captain. I personally think that going by the seniority principle is one of the things that makes Milan unique (and yes, I know other teams don't do it that way) and I'd like to keep it that way.

Going to also go out on a limb and disagree in part with the way Kaka conducts himself off the pitch. I don't like some of the comments he makes in the interviews he gives; if he has a problem with something at Milan (whether it be the medical staff, the transfer policy, the color of the dressing room, etc), I think it should be kept in house and not aired in public.


I agree that none of the Dutch were made captain, but IIRC we had Baresi as captain then and again Ambro is no Baresi. This is the time for a new era, a time to start again, this team is now too old to compete at the highest level and needs replacing. This should start by giving Ricky captaincy and getting young quality players in, that way we can start a new era.

As for Ricky saying things out of place, apart from the 'I've recuperated(sp?) quicker with brazil than Milan' I can't think of much else he has said. Thing is though it wasn't long ago that we were all shouting off about how great Milanlab was and how quick players recovered after using it, yet look at our injury list now? Something's definitely not right. He has also spoken of his desire to be captain of Milan and to lead us to more silverware and he has always said that he wants to stay at Milan as long as possible, to me that is what I want to hear (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Apr 19 2009, 11:24 PM
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We actually agree about a fair bit in principle: the club needs refreshing - new quality players, preferably young. For this all round midfielder, I'd poach Cigarini from Atalanta (or one of the two kids from Juve who play in midfield if they'd be stupid enough let them go). Simon Kjaer looked good today for Palermo and he's just 19. Darmian did reasonably well in his run out today, etc etc etc.

The only real thing that we seem to disagree on is who should be captain after Maldini. And that's perhaps as it should be; this place would be dull if everyone agreed about everything. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Apr 19 2009, 11:35 PM
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QUOTE (Tennie @ Apr 19 2009, 11:24 PM) *
We actually agree about a fair bit in principle: the club needs refreshing - new quality players, preferably young. For this all round midfielder, I'd poach Cigarini from Atalanta (or one of the two kids from Juve who play in midfield if they'd be stupid enough let them go). Simon Kjaer looked good today for Palermo and he's just 19. Darmian did reasonably well in his run out today, etc etc etc.

The only real thing that we seem to disagree on is who should be captain after Maldini. And that's perhaps as it should be; this place would be dull if everyone agreed about everything. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


You hit the nail on the head there (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
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post Apr 20 2009, 07:34 AM
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in case we do refresh our squad with lot's of young bloud, we'd still need someone with lot's of experience to be their captain...you have to understand that as long Ancelotti is our coach, we'll play the same style, with the same certain players, so midfiled is kind of reserved already for the next year... gattuso-pirlo-ambrosini, i'm sure this part ain't goning to change, and it doesn't really have to, our problems last 2-3 seasons were defence & attack, which i belive this summer is goning to change, at least defence...i'm sure sooner or later kaka will get armband, but we'll have to play without gattuso, ambrosini, pirlo, kaladze...that's just the policy we're running, which i like and you obviously don't

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post Apr 20 2009, 09:54 AM
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QUOTE (aLbErTo @ Apr 20 2009, 07:34 AM) *
in case we do refresh our squad with lot's of young bloud, we'd still need someone with lot's of experience to be their captain...you have to understand that as long Ancelotti is our coach, we'll play the same style, with the same certain players, so midfiled is kind of reserved already for the next year... gattuso-pirlo-ambrosini, i'm sure this part ain't goning to change, and it doesn't really have to, our problems last 2-3 seasons were defence & attack, which i belive this summer is goning to change, at least defence...i'm sure sooner or later kaka will get armband, but we'll have to play without gattuso, ambrosini, pirlo, kaladze...that's just the policy we're running, which i like and you obviously don't


if we keep the same midfield next season then we are already heading for trouble. We had that same midfield back in 2003 so that means we would have had the same midfield for 6 years! Thing is I think a lot of our problems stem from midfield. Our midfield is static now and the players play within their own comfort zone as they know carlo won't drop them - take Pirlo for example, for the Azzurri he doesn't stop running and looks a totally different player to the Pirlo who plays for us. I think part of our defence problem is down to our static midfield as well, although I do agree that we need at least one new top quality CB and possibly a fullback.
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post Apr 20 2009, 10:12 AM
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we may found a fullback in flamini... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) it's cheaper that way (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Apr 20 2009, 12:31 PM
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Flamini does not want to play there. He was set to leave Arsenal earlier than last summer for that exact reason.
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post Apr 20 2009, 12:38 PM
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well be it, but i'd rather play a fullback then be a sub...
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post Apr 21 2009, 06:18 AM
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I agree with Iross on the captain issue and here is why.


The reason I support kaka for the armband is because he is our flag and symbol for this club after Maldini. When people think of Milan they think of two players, Maldini and Kaka. Furthermore, how many games a season do you guys honestly think gattuso and Ambrosini are going to partake in? Ambro is 32 and Gattuso is 31. With Flamini and the possible addition of a new midfielder and our desire to refresh our squad with giving youth an opportunity , players like gattuso/ambro/seedorf will be mostly subs. Thats why Kaka should be given the armband because he will be playing all games he is fit for, he is a leader and a symbol of our club on the pitch. Also i'm sure that he is the most valued member in our squad after Paolo.



How liverpool have gerrard, Kaka is the same for us. That is why I think he should be given the armband. But it's not going to happen as this club's policy is 20 years old and will not be changed because of one brazillian.

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And I think it's already clear that in Milan ,the policy is not for the best / most visible player in the team to be captain. I'm not much in favour of altering a policy that's been here for too long.

In any case this is not cricket. The captain of the team doesn't have as much to do on the field as compared to off it. And I think this is where Ambro and Rino trump Kaka. The benefit of having been in the dressing room longer an having more people respecting them. Everyone might love Kaka, but how will they take it if he has to come down hard on one of them. We don't even know if he has that kind of personality. Even Alex Pato talked about how the bloke who's closest to him is Rino, and they're always having fun pulling his leg etc.

And I think we should really stop with his club captaincy thing because...

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Kaka insists he's happy at AC Milan.

The former World Player of the Year declared: "I said no (to Manchester City) because I want to achieve many other goals with AC Milan.

"I have received so much from this club, I just want to stay here. It's difficult to talk about your future in football, I can only refer to this. And this is a team that I like very much."

Asked about the future club captaincy, Kaka added: "Paolo Maldini, Andrea Pirlo, Massimo Ambrosini and Rino Gattuso are the most influential players and I think that Ambrosini or Gattuso will become even greater when Maldini will retire."

"But of course I'd like to have the captain's armband sometimes."


I nearly burst out laughing, it's hard to think of a bloke like Andrea Pirlo having influence, but I suppose his gravitas helps. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Anyway, why is it so important to have Kaka as captain. What difference does an armband make? MvB has never captained Milan. Do we think any less of him because of it? This is just another pointless argument-starter.


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post Apr 21 2009, 09:24 AM
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QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Apr 21 2009, 08:55 AM) *
Anyway, why is it so important to have Kaka as captain. What difference does an armband make? MvB has never captained Milan. Do we think any less of him because of it? This is just another pointless argument-starter.

I totally agree with you on this but... you're the pirate for ****s sake you should be firing things up!!!
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