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Posted by: Tennie Jul 27 2010, 06:21 PM
The Serie A fixture list will be released tomorrow. Whee.
Posted by: han2503 Jul 27 2010, 09:17 PM
Will they be broadcasting it on Rai again?
Posted by: Fishdoll Jul 27 2010, 09:45 PM
The draw? Probably.
Posted by: han2503 Jul 27 2010, 10:06 PM
hmm, do you know at what time it will start. I'll check their listings. I love watching the draws for some reason
Posted by: Fishdoll Jul 27 2010, 10:40 PM
I don't, offhand. It's probably mentioned somewhere on Gazzetta's website.
Posted by: d'Arc.LP Jul 27 2010, 10:50 PM
How good are you at guessing things ?
I guess our first game will be against Cagliari.
Posted by: Fishdoll Jul 27 2010, 11:11 PM
Ah. The draw starts tomorrow at 20.30 local time. It's going to be streamed live on sky.it.
http://www.legaseriea.it/it/sala-stampa/archivio-dettaglio/-/news/CALENDARIO_SERIE_A_TIM_2010_2011/161990
Posted by: d'Arc.LP Jul 27 2010, 11:21 PM
The TIM CUP draw :
Milan will continue from quarter final and will play against Sampdoria. The winner of Milan-Sampdoria game, plays against Parma vs Palermo game.
S.S.C.Napoli vs Internazionale
AS Roma vs Juventus
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Parma vs Palermo
AC Milan vs Sampdoria .
Posted by: X-Offender Jul 27 2010, 11:25 PM
I hope we play the first match at home.
Posted by: d'Arc.LP Jul 27 2010, 11:34 PM
This Cup is important only if you try to win the triplet. You earn no money just fame 
Posted by: Fishdoll Jul 27 2010, 11:35 PM
We should, X-Off. inert had the first home game last year. Teams who share stadiums trade off.
Posted by: Dracoris Jul 28 2010, 12:45 AM
Ill guess Bari first game
Posted by: Fishdoll Jul 28 2010, 12:33 PM
Okay, here are some details about how the draw's going to be organized:
* The last 4 games of the season will alternate between home and away for each team.
* Teams won't have more than 2 consecutive home or away games during the season.
* Of the following pairs of teams, one will play home and one will play away during the season:
Milan-inert
Roma-Lazio
Genoa-Samp
Bari-Lecce
Bologna-Cesena
* In cities where teams share stadiums (Rome, Genoa, Milan), teams who started last season away will start at home.
* There won't be anything preventing big games or derbies either the first or last matchday.
* There won't be any derbies or 'big games' (games between Milan, Juve, inert, Roma, and Napoli) on Wednesdays
* There won't be any repeat matchdays from last season (ie, won't play the same fixture on the same matchday)
* Teams won't face the same teams - either home or away - that they faced during the first or last matchdays for the last two seasons
* Teams in the CL and Europa League won't meet each other the matchday following CL or Europa League games
http://www.legaseriea.it/it/sala-stampa/archivio-dettaglio/-/news/CALENDARIO_SERIE_A_TIM_2010_2011/161990 to the league site with details in the original.
Posted by: Fishdoll Jul 28 2010, 07:58 PM
We host Lecce on matchday 1.
Mediaset's doing realtime updates on the fixture list here: http://www.sportmediaset.mediaset.it/calcio/articoli/articolo38345.shtml?refresh_cens
The sky stream is not working well.
Posted by: Bluesummers Jul 28 2010, 08:41 PM
Guaranteed 1st place in youth serie A
Posted by: Fishdoll Jul 28 2010, 08:45 PM
what on earth is youth serie a?
EDIT:
(nevermind, editing my edit)
Here's the full draw (ugly formatting and all, from Gazzetta):
BARI-JUVENTUS
BOLOGNA-INTER
CHIEVO-CATANIA
FIORENTINA-NAPOLI
MILAN-LECCE
PALERMO-CAGLIARI
PARMA-BRESCIA
ROMA-CESENA
SAMPORIA-LAZIO
UDINESE-GENOA
2a giornata (and. 12 SET 2010; rit. 23 GEN 2011)
BRESCIA - PALERMO
CAGLIARI - ROMA
CATANIA - PARMA
CESENA - MILAN
GENOA - CHIEVO
INTER - UDINESE
JUVENTUS - SAMPDORIA
LAZIO - BOLOGNA
LECCE - FIORENTINA
NAPOLI - PARMA
3a giornata (AND. 19 SET 2010; rit. 30 GEN 2011)
BARI-CAGLIARI
CESENA-LECCE
CHIEVO-BRESCIA
FIORENTINA-LAZIO
MILAN-CATANIA
PARMA-GENOA
ROMA-BOLOGNA
SAMPDORIA-NAPOLI
UDINESE-JUVENTUS
4a giornata (and. 22 SET 2010; rit. 2 FEB 2011)
BOLOGNA-UDINESE
BRESCIA-ROMA
CAGLIARI-SAMPDORIA
CATANIA-CESENA
GENOA-FIORENTINA
INTER-BARI
JUVENTUS-PALERMO
LAZIO-MILAN
LECCE-PARMA
NAPOLI-CHIEVO
5a giornata (and. 26 SET 2010; rit. 6 FEB 2011)
BARI-BRESCIA
CATANIA-BOLOGNA
CESENA-NAPOLI
CHIEVO-LAZIO
FIORENTINA-PARMA
JUVENTUS-CAGLIARI
MILAN-GENOA
PALERMO-LECCE
ROMA-INTER
SAMPDORIA-UDINESE
6a giornata (and. 3 OTT 2010; rit. 13 FEB 2011)
BOLOGNA-SAMPDORIA
CHIEVO-CAGLIARI
FIORENTINA-PALERMO
GENOA-BARI
INTER-JUVENTUS
LAZIO-BRESCIA
LECCE-CATANIA
NAPOLI-ROMA
PARMA-MILAN
UDINESE-CESENA
7a giornata (and. 17 OTT 2010; rit. 20 FEB 2011)
BARI-LAZIO
BRESCIA-UDINESE
CAGLIARI-INTER
CATANIA-NAPOLI
CESENA-PARMA
JUVENTUS-LECCE
MILAN-CHIEVO
PALERMO-BOLOGNA
ROMA-GENOA
SAMPDORIA-FIORENTINA
8a giornata (and. 24 OTT 2010; rit. 27 FEB 2011)
BOLOGNA-JUVENTUS
CHIEVO-CESENA
FIORENTINA-BARI
GENOA-CATANIA
INTER-SAMPDORIA
LAZIO-CAGLIARI
LECCE-BRESCIA
NAPOLI-MILAN
PARMA-ROMA
UDINESE-PALERMO
9a giornata (and. 31 OTT 2010; rit. 6 MAR 2011)
BARI-UDINESE
BRESCIA-NAPOLI
CAGLIARI-BOLOGNA
CATANIA-FIORENTINA
CESENA-SAMPDORIA
GENOA-INTER
MILAN-JUVENTUS
PALERMO-LAZIO
PARMA-CHIEVO
ROMA-LECCE
10a giornata (and. 7 NOV 2010; rit. 13 MAR 2011)
BARI-MILAN
BOLOGNA-LECCE
FIORENTINA-CHIEVO
INTER-BRESCIA
JUVENTUS-CESENA
LAZIO-ROMA
NAPOLI-PARMA
PALERMO-GENOA
SAMPDORIA-CATANIA
UDINESE-CAGLIARI
11a giornata (and. 10 NOV 2010; rit. 20 MAR 2011)
BRESCIA-JUVENTUS
CAGLIARI-NAPOLI
CATANIA-UDINESE
CESENA-LAZIO
CHIEVO-BARI
GENOA-BOLOGNA
LECCE-INTER
MILAN-PALERMO
PARMA-SAMPDORIA
ROMA-FIORENTINA
12a giornata (and. 14 NOV 2010; rit. 3 APR 2011)
BARI-PARMA
BOLOGNA-BRESCIA
CAGLIARI-GENOA
FIORENTINA-CESENA
INTER-MILAN
JUVENTUS-ROMA
LAZIO-NAPOLI
PALERMO-CATANIA
SAMPDORIA-CHIEVO
UDINESE-LECCE
13a giornata (and. 21 NOV 2010; rit. 10 APR 2011)
BRESCIA-CAGLIARI
CATANIA-BARI
CESENA-PALERMO
CHIEVO-INTER
GENOA-JUVENTUS
LECCE-SAMPDORIA
MILAN-FIORENTINA
NAPOLI-BOLOGNA
PARMA-LAZIO
ROMA-UDINESE
14a giornata (and. 28 NOV 2010; rit. 17 APR 2011)
BARI-CESENA
BOLOGNA-CHIEVO
BRESCIA-GENOA
CAGLIARI-LECCE
INTER-PARMA
JUVENTUS-FIORENTINA
LAZIO-CATANIA
PALERMO-ROMA
SAMPDORIA-MILAN
UDINESE-NAPOLI
15a giornata (and. 5 DIC 2010; rit. 23 APR 2011)
CATANIA-JUVENTUS
CESENA-BOLOGNA
CHIEVO-ROMA
FIORENTINA-CAGLIARI
LAZIO-INTER
LECCE-GENOA
MILAN-BRESCIA
NAPOLI-PALERMO
PARMA-UDINESE
SAMPDORIA-BARI
16a giornata (and. 12 DIC 2010; rit. 1 MAG 2011)
BOLOGNA-MILAN
BRESCIA-SAMPDORIA
CAGLIARI-CATANIA
GENOA-NAPOLI
INTER-CESENA
JUVENTUS-LAZIO
LECCE-CHIEVO
PALERMO-PARMA
ROMA-BARI
UDINESE-FIORENTINA
17a giornata (and. 19 DIC 2010; rit. 8 MAG 2011)
BARI-PALERMO
CATANIA-BRESCIA
CESENA-CAGLIARI
CHIEVO-JUVENTUS
FIORENTINA-INTER
LAZIO-UDINESE
MILAN-ROMA
NAPOLI-LECCE
PARMA-BOLOGNA
SAMPDORIA-GENOA
18a giornata (and. 6 GEN 2011; rit. 15 MAG 2011)
BOLOGNA-FIORENTINA
BRESCIA-CESENA
CAGLIARI-MILAN
GENOA-LAZIO
INTER-NAPOLI
JUVENTUS-PARMA
LECCE-BARI
PALERMO-SAMPDORIA
ROMA-CATANIA
UDINESE-CHIEVO
19a giornata (and. 9 GEN 2011; rit. 22 MAG 2011)
BARI-BOLOGNA
CATANIA-INTER
CESENA-GENOA
CHIEVO-PALERMO
FIORENTINA-BRESCIA
LAZIO-LECCE
MILAN-UDINESE
NAPOLI-JUVENTUS
PARMA-CAGLIARI
SAMPDORIA-ROMA
Posted by: han2503 Jul 28 2010, 11:07 PM
hmm at least we start with a couple of easy (on paper) games... Hopefully that will give us enough time to get into some sort of form before the tough games start to come thick and fast
Posted by: ForzaMaldini Jul 28 2010, 11:11 PM
we will start with 21/21 points 
i love the draw
Derby: 14 november: Inter - Milan
3 april: Milan - Inter
Posted by: Dracoris Jul 28 2010, 11:27 PM
i love the draw Derby: 14 november: Inter - Milan
3 april: Milan - Inter
Not a chance. We'll be lucky to have 15pts by then.
Posted by: servbot Jul 29 2010, 02:35 AM
My prediction:
38-0-0 114 points
Da Rossoneri.
Posted by: Dracoris Jul 29 2010, 02:51 AM
38-0-0 114 points
Da Rossoneri.
Did you see my Mike Ditka picture?
Posted by: servbot Jul 29 2010, 02:54 AM
lol...no, where?
And Ditka should have been the next Milan coach.
Posted by: Dracoris Jul 29 2010, 04:00 AM
Its in the member pics sections
Posted by: d'Arc.LP Jul 29 2010, 11:09 AM
Inter, Roma, Milan & Juventus Coaches React To Serie A Calendar
And, despite them all having seemingly easy fixtures for the opening round (see below), Claudio Ranieri, Luigi Del Neri, Massimiliano Allegri and Rafael Benitez have all approached day one with an air of caution.
"Every championship represents a new story. We cannot think about a hard or easy start. Every game has to be played and you have to face all the opposition sooner or later," Ranieri told the press.
Del Neri set the tone for Juventus: "It's an interesting calendar as we see Roma and Inter clash on week five, both are title contenders.
"We start with Bari on August 29 and then end with Napoli in May. We have to put maximum effort for the whole season."
Milan's Allegri said: "We have to start well and manage the period when we play important fixtures.
"The start is a bit tricky as we play against newly promoted teams. But we have to show intensity and determination."
Rafael Benitez, new to Calcio, cannot wait to get stuck in: "We have to be prepared for every appoinntment that the list throws at us and start the season in the best possible way.
"I think the key games for us will be Roma at the Olimpico and Juventus at the [Giuseppe] Meazza."
source : goal.com
Posted by: X-Offender Jul 29 2010, 02:18 PM
The start is anything but tricky. If we don't win the first three game, we don't deserve to win any game.
Posted by: Dracoris Jul 29 2010, 03:26 PM
Well the coaches aren't going to come out and say how we're going to kick butt. They have more integrity than that.
Posted by: CHU-LIP Jul 30 2010, 11:06 PM
1. you know who
2. AS Roma
3. AC Milan
4. Juventus
...is what I kinda expect... I hope for some miracle blow up by Benitez so that either AS Roma or AC Milan can benefit from it, but that is wishful thinkin in my honest opinion 
Posted by: X-Offender Jul 30 2010, 11:09 PM
1. Inter
2. Juventus
3. Roma
4. Milan
My prediction.
Posted by: Dracoris Jul 30 2010, 11:35 PM
If we do land 4th place, everyone will see why exactly we (reluctantly) cheered for Inter in the CL final.
Posted by: red Jul 31 2010, 06:26 AM
I anti-cheered Inter in the CL Final. Hope we finish above 4th which is IMO optimistic. Juve could be a force to reckon with as well as Roma if they fix the CB problem. Adriano is losing weight FYI.
Posted by: d'Arc.LP Jul 31 2010, 08:49 AM
My prediction :
1. Inter
2. Milan
3. Juventus
4. Roma
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jul 31 2010, 08:57 AM
Can't choose between Juve and Roma right now...I'll let you know by December.
Posted by: d'Arc.LP Jul 31 2010, 08:47 PM
I didn't know where to post this :
Prandellis pre-list of players for the friendly game against Côte d'Ivoire. There are 3 Milan players.
Goalkeepers: Marchetti, Viviano, Sirigu, Mirante
Defenders: Bonucci, Chiellini, Antonini, Zaccardo, Cassani, Gamberini, Bocchetti, Maggio,
Midfielders: Montolivo, Pirlo, De Rossi, Marchisio, Pepe, Cristian Ledesma, Thiago Motta, Galloppa, Palombo
Strikers: Gilardino, Pazzini, Borriello, Cassano, Balotelli, Giuseppe Rossi, Palladino, Quaglierella
Ledesma is linked with a possible transfer to Milan ...
Posted by: han2503 Jul 31 2010, 10:28 PM
Prandellis pre-list of players for the friendly game against Côte d'Ivoire. There are 3 Milan players.
Goalkeepers: Marchetti, Viviano, Sirigu, Mirante
Defenders: Bonucci, Chiellini, Antonini, Zaccardo, Cassani, Gamberini, Bocchetti, Maggio,
Midfielders: Montolivo, Pirlo, De Rossi, Marchisio, Pepe, Cristian Ledesma, Thiago Motta, Galloppa, Palombo
Strikers: Gilardino, Pazzini, Borriello, Cassano, Balotelli, Giuseppe Rossi, Palladino, Quaglierella
Ledesma is linked with a possible transfer to Milan ...
Don't know what these guys are doing in that call up list. Pepe and Zaccardo are big no nos Prandelli
Great to see all these guys where they should have been in the first place. YESS no Iaquinta!! Antonini!! Rossi!!! Bori!!
Hopefully Ranocchia, Aquilani and D'Agostino will take the red's place over time. And why Palladino/Gila over Di Natale?
Posted by: Bluesummers Aug 1 2010, 12:28 AM
ledesma is from argentina LOL 
Posted by: d'Arc.LP Aug 1 2010, 12:34 AM
He has never played for Argentina so if Prandelli calls him he can play for Italy.
Like Amauri could play for Italy or Brazil.
In the same situation is Thiago Motta too
Posted by: Fishdoll Aug 1 2010, 01:47 AM
Boo on the oriundi. No more of those please!
Yay that Antonini was included - hopefully he'll do better than he showed today.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Aug 1 2010, 05:57 AM
Theoretically, didn't Germany have a lot of oriundi?
Posted by: Fishdoll Aug 1 2010, 10:57 AM
That's Germany (and not as many as one would suspect, a lot of their guys with not-German surnames were actually born in Germany).
Posted by: Zed.D Aug 1 2010, 12:27 PM
So, Philippe Coutinho debuted for Inter against Citah and apparently he's done well. he was signed two years ago and I clearly remember, Inter were hyping him up from day 1 even though he wasn't going to make his debut before 2010.
He's exactly the same age as Pato when he arrived at Milan and played his debut season. looking forward to see how he does this season. after all he was labeled as their answer to our Pato.
Posted by: Bluesummers Aug 2 2010, 04:37 AM
He's exactly the same age as Pato when he arrived at Milan and played his debut season. looking forward to see how he does this season. after all he was labeled as their answer to our Pato.
He looks similar to pato too
Posted by: d'Arc.LP Aug 2 2010, 09:08 AM
And Pato said they are friends
Posted by: Fishdoll Aug 4 2010, 02:51 PM
Major owie for the Viola. Jovetic tore up ligaments in his knee (anterior cruciate ligament AND collateral exterior ligament) and will have surgery. He's expected back in 6-7 months.
http://www.sportmediaset.mediaset.it/news/2010/08/04/6248838.shtml
Posted by: d'Arc.LP Aug 4 2010, 02:59 PM
Poor him
Posted by: Dracoris Aug 4 2010, 04:20 PM
http://www.sportmediaset.mediaset.it/news/2010/08/04/6248838.shtml
Sucks for them! Great for us!
Its looking like Genoa will be a team to beat this year. The have got Veloso and Rafinha now. Argghh.
Posted by: Darunia Aug 4 2010, 05:01 PM
Genoa sold Sokratis for 5 mil euros and bought Rafinha for 8... maybe we should have bought Rafinha?
Posted by: Fishdoll Aug 4 2010, 11:28 PM
The late rumor in Italy (on tuttomercatoweb, mediaset, etc) is that Giovinco is going to Parma.
Posted by: Bluesummers Aug 6 2010, 04:42 AM
No Rafinha is talented, but he is non-eu. He's not worth wasting a spot on. Also sokratis can play in midfield and all areas of defence.
Posted by: Tennie Aug 28 2010, 06:08 PM
So, Udinese-Genoa is underway.
Genoa's practically unrecognizable there are so many new players. One of the new guys, Veloso, got a yellow early in the first half, and Luca Toni went out with an injury partway through the half.
It's 0-0 in the 52nd.
Posted by: d'Arc.LP Aug 28 2010, 06:10 PM
Is Zigoni playing ?
I'd like him to score a goal.
I hope our new CO wins
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 28 2010, 06:44 PM
Goal Mesto.
Posted by: Tennie Aug 28 2010, 09:47 PM
Cesena held Roma to a 0-0 draw at the Olimpico in today's late game.
Drab game.
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 28 2010, 09:53 PM
Well done to Cesena, they managed to hold down Roma pretty well.
Posted by: Ry4n Aug 28 2010, 11:24 PM
Drab game.
Good to see Totti back with his handbags though
well earned draw for Cesena !
Posted by: Habitant Aug 29 2010, 08:15 AM
Drab game.
ya? i saw the highlights after and there seemed to be lots of chances especially in the 2nd half. its my last night in roma and i fly back in 4 hours
Posted by: Habitant Aug 29 2010, 08:16 AM
btw that was one hell of a goal by mesto
Posted by: Tennie Aug 29 2010, 02:45 PM
I hope you're having fun (or had fun) in Italy, Hab! Tell us stories when you return!
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 29 2010, 03:43 PM
I can't belive people consider Roma to be a real contender. Ranking does not matter in their chase. Milan can be 3rd for the next 5 years and Juve 7th, and still, both would present more dangerous contenders to Inter. What have they ever achieved? They lost almost every Supercup and Cup final to Inter, always turned out to be looser in Serie A, never made anything special in Champions League or UEFA cup. Not with Spalletti, especially not with Ranieri. Just another usual Roma season underway.
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 29 2010, 04:40 PM
+1
Posted by: Fishdoll Aug 29 2010, 05:01 PM
Well. That was a fast move. Quagliarella starting for the gobbi.
Posted by: Portman Aug 29 2010, 05:46 PM
And Bari just scored. \o
Splendid goal. No chance for Storari. Juve 1 down.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Aug 29 2010, 05:48 PM
Nice goal by Massimo Donati. Not looking great for Juve.
Posted by: m1ke Aug 29 2010, 05:49 PM
Go Bari Go
Posted by: acid911 Aug 29 2010, 05:54 PM
True, that. It was a scorcher!
It's always a great feeling when the underdog score first, just to see how the bigger team responds back. We've got a match on. But I think Juve will get back even soon.PS. Our cable company has started showing Serie A live this season. Yay!
No more internet streams for me from now on.
Posted by: Portman Aug 29 2010, 05:56 PM
Not the best thread to post but here some links (some you surely know already) to follow the Serie A matches online:
http://www.atdhe.net/
http://grandetv.info/
http://www.firstrow.net/
http://tvportugalhd.com/
http://myp2p.eu/
(+ some sportsbetting websites like bwin, bet365, betfair, etc if you've cash there)
Live scoring only: http://futbol24.com/ (best by far)
Posted by: Ry4n Aug 29 2010, 05:57 PM
Why is since the world cup the size of the screen when watching football now has somehow been squished , i dont know the techical term for it but its like im watching it in wide view.....
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Aug 29 2010, 06:08 PM
Im guessing that depends on the reception ... Like the channel that is feeding that picture, they feed it for widescreen
Posted by: Ry4n Aug 29 2010, 06:09 PM
Yeah im in Dubai at the moment on AL Jazeera , i watched the Barca - Milan game perfectly i was full screen , should i get HD or ?!
Posted by: acid911 Aug 29 2010, 06:18 PM
Bet365 is pretty much free (as in no cash needed, just sign up), and the quality is consistently great.
A bit laggy at times, even on a 2 MB connection, but just a wee bit.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Aug 29 2010, 06:24 PM
Well, Serie A matches are not HD unfortunately
But I got the Abu Dhabi HD for the EPL and Jazeera HD for SPL .... That again depends on if you have an HD TV ..
If you do, its highly recommended
Posted by: acid911 Aug 29 2010, 06:55 PM
Well, what do you know?! 89' and still Bari leading 1-0. 
I almost feel bad for Juve after what they have gone through last year, and now this. Karma is a female dog, huh?
And what a chance for Chiellini in the final minute. FT, it stays this way. Great start for Bari, nonetheless.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Aug 29 2010, 06:57 PM
I almost feel bad for Juve after what they have gone through last year, and now this. Karma is a female dog, huh?And what a chance for Chiellini in the final minute. FT, it stays this way. Great start for Bari, nonetheless.
Well deserved win for Bari ... Juve where almost none existent
Posted by: Ry4n Aug 29 2010, 06:57 PM
But I got the Abu Dhabi HD for the EPL and Jazeera HD for SPL .... That again depends on if you have an HD TV ..
If you do, its highly recommended
hmm i better call them tomrow its gunna take ages for them to do anything though due to ramadan ill wait until after the 12th
Posted by: Jack Bauer Aug 29 2010, 06:59 PM
A totally deserved win for Bari. Juve looked like a mid table team.
Posted by: acid911 Aug 29 2010, 07:02 PM
True.
Maybe they'll still make a big move in the dying days of the transfer window, who knows?! Frankly if this keeps up another year in the Europa league beckons for them. Roma, Samp, Palermo, even Fiorentina won't give them any breathing space whatsoever.
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 29 2010, 07:16 PM
New season, old Juve.
Posted by: Fishdoll Aug 29 2010, 07:43 PM
The CRA is most pleased with the result from the San Nicola. Well done to Bari.
Posted by: Zed.D Aug 29 2010, 07:44 PM
I'm not happy Juve lost... seriously. I feel sorry for them.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Aug 29 2010, 07:46 PM
No need. They won't feel sorry for us if we lose.
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 29 2010, 11:01 PM
I don't. They made some asinine signings and it was only to be expected.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 30 2010, 12:05 AM
Their whole transfer campaign looked childish. Almost paranoic.
Posted by: han2503 Aug 30 2010, 08:45 PM
So it's 0-0 at the break in the Inter match. Got to say for all their off field problems Bologna look good, they're really giving Inter a run for their money.
Inter will most likely win, but it's good to see them work for it.
Man I hate these international breaks!!! I'm really curiuos about how we'll cope with Cesena, Lecce was a walk over and I'm still not sure if we made them look that bad or they were just that bad on their own, or if it was a combination of both.
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 30 2010, 08:46 PM
Serie A timetable for the next eight weeks.
2ª GIORNATA ANDATA
Sabato 11 settembre 2010 ore 18.00 INTER – UDINESE (*)
Sabato 11 settembre 2010 ore 20.45 CESENA – MILAN (*)
Sabato 11 settembre 2010 ore 20.45 CAGLIARI – ROMA (*)
Domenica 12 settembre 2010 ore 12.30 BRESCIA – PALERMO
Domenica 12 settembre 2010 ore 20.45 NAPOLI – BARI
3ª GIORNATA ANDATA
Sabato 18 settembre 2010 ore 18.00 FIORENTINA – LAZIO
Sabato 18 settembre 2010 ore 20.45 MILAN – CATANIA
Domenica 19 settembre 2010 ore 12.30 BARI – CAGLIARI
Domenica 19 settembre 2010 ore 20.45 SAMPDORIA – NAPOLI
4ª GIORNATA ANDATA
Martedì 21 settembre 2010 ore 20.45 LAZIO – MILAN
Giovedì 23 settembre 2010 ore 20.45 JUVENTUS – PALERMO
5ª GIORNATA ANDATA
Sabato 25 settembre 2010 ore 18.00 MILAN – GENOA (*)
Sabato 25 settembre 2010 ore 20.45 ROMA – INTER (*)
Domenica 26 settembre 2010 ore 12.30 CESENA – NAPOLI
Domenica 26 settembre 2010 ore 20.45 JUVENTUS – CAGLIARI
6ª GIORNATA ANDATA
Sabato 2 ottobre 2010 ore 18.00 UDINESE – CESENA
Sabato 2 ottobre 2010 ore 20.45 PARMA – MILAN
Domenica 3 ottobre 2010 ore 12.30 LECCE – CATANIA
Domenica 3 ottobre 2010 ore 20.45 INTER – JUVENTUS
7ª GIORNATA ANDATA
Sabato 16 ottobre 2010 ore 18.00 MILAN – CHIEVO (*)
Sabato 16 ottobre 2010 ore 20.45 ROMA – GENOA (*)
Domenica 17 ottobre 2010 ore 12.30 CAGLIARI – INTER
Domenica 17 ottobre 2010 ore 20.45 BARI – LAZIO
8ª GIORNATA ANDATA
Sabato 23 ottobre 2010 ore 20.45 FIORENTINA – BARI
Domenica 24 ottobre 2010 ore 12.30 PARMA – ROMA
Domenica 24 ottobre 2010 ore 20.45 INTER – SAMPDORIA
Lunedì 25 ottobre 2010 ore 20.45 NAPOLI – MILAN
9ª GIORNATA ANDATA
Venerdì 29 ottobre 2010 ore 20.45 GENOA – INTER (*)
Sabato 30 ottobre 2010 ore 18.00 ROMA – LECCE (*)
Sabato 30 ottobre 2010 ore 20.45 MILAN – JUVENTUS (*)
Domenica 31 ottobre 2010 ore 12.30 PALERMO – LAZIO
Domenica 31 ottobre 2010 ore 20.45 CATANIA – FIORENTINA
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We're always playing in the evening.
Posted by: han2503 Aug 30 2010, 08:48 PM
The * are because of CL matches right?
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 30 2010, 08:50 PM
Yep.
Posted by: han2503 Aug 30 2010, 08:51 PM
Thanks
Like I said, can't wait for this international break to be over
Posted by: han2503 Aug 30 2010, 09:39 PM
Still 0-0 in the 92
And Inter getting SIX minutes added time
Posted by: elcordobez Aug 30 2010, 09:42 PM
Seriously 6min added time??!?
wtf?
Cmon bologna !
Posted by: han2503 Aug 30 2010, 09:43 PM
Finished! 0-0
Posted by: elcordobez Aug 30 2010, 09:43 PM
YES!!!
We're TOP!
Posted by: han2503 Aug 30 2010, 09:44 PM
So we're the only team out of the big clubs to end the first round of games with a win Feels great!!
Posted by: Ry4n Aug 30 2010, 09:44 PM
EMILIANO VIVIANO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: elcordobez Aug 30 2010, 09:44 PM
How much did Moratti pay the official for 6 mins?
Posted by: d'Arc.LP Aug 30 2010, 09:45 PM
Inter Merda. Bologna 0-0 Inter :D
Yupiiii
Posted by: Jack Bauer Aug 30 2010, 09:47 PM
Great start!! Benitez is working his magic already
Posted by: Portman Aug 30 2010, 10:35 PM
Headline on a Portuguese sports newspaper: "Inter can't win without Mourinho"
Posted by: han2503 Aug 30 2010, 10:42 PM
Well they were missing Maicon today, which is a big loss. What's the chance that he'll be going to Real? Is there still a possibility of that happening? They said he wasn't called up today because talks were still ongoing.
Him leaving would really tip the scales in our favour, not to mention the trojan horse sent by the dear Scousers in the form of Rafa
I mean what was he thinking taking off Milito? If anyone is going to score you a last minute goal it's him. And Coutinho for Pandev? That kid looked so out of his depth it was ridiculous! And if he's their answer to Pato then I'm the Prince of Persia
Posted by: elcordobez Aug 30 2010, 10:51 PM
Didn't Mourinho lose against them last season?
Posted by: han2503 Aug 30 2010, 11:08 PM
No they won 2-1 IIRC
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 30 2010, 11:52 PM
Bahh, it's like Mancini never existed. I don't rate him very high, but still...he did it even before the Arrogant one.
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 31 2010, 12:03 AM
Well they were missing Maicon today, which is a big loss. What's the chance that he'll be going to Real? Is there still a possibility of that happening? They said he wasn't called up today because talks were still ongoing.
Him leaving would really tip the scales in our favour, not to mention the trojan horse sent by the dear Scousers in the form of Rafa
I mean what was he thinking taking off Milito? If anyone is going to score you a last minute goal it's him. And Coutinho for Pandev? That kid looked so out of his depth it was ridiculous! And if he's their answer to Pato then I'm the Prince of Persia
Agreed. Him taking off Pandev for Coutinho was an asinine thing to do. And Milito was having a nightmare of a match, but like you said, if there's anyone who could score you a last minute winner, it's him.
3-1, actually. Cambiaso and Balotelli scored, can't remember the third scorer.
Posted by: Tennie Aug 31 2010, 12:16 AM
So...we're +2 points and +4 GD over the cugini. Granted it's round 1 but not bad to start off with.
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Aug 31 2010, 12:40 AM
+1
Posted by: Zed.D Aug 31 2010, 08:02 AM
Six effing minutes?! does that scenario have to happen every time they're desperate for a win?!
LOL on so many levels
Posted by: acid911 Aug 31 2010, 08:25 AM
It was that serial goal scorer, Milito.
He opened the scoring in the 22 minute, Bologna equalized the very next minute. The other two chipped in later to finish off the match.He looked a bit like Pato, though.
Particularly the hair styles are similar. And I guess that's just it, LOL.
Posted by: han2503 Aug 31 2010, 11:24 AM
Looky Inter's official site http://www.inter.it/aas/campionato/classifica?IDSTAG=2010/11&L=en
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Aug 31 2010, 11:26 AM
Agnelli was right. They still don't know how to act like winners.
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 31 2010, 11:49 AM
Parma first??? What a bunch of egocentric losers!! 
Posted by: Zed.D Aug 31 2010, 11:53 AM
LOL! it's not even in alphabetical order. if it was, I'd understand. pathetic.
Posted by: Tennie Aug 31 2010, 11:59 AM
Nah, in their lame pea brains, they just can't conceive of Milan being top of the table. Raise a hand if you're surprised.
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 31 2010, 12:06 PM
*raises hand*
Even for them, this is quite low.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 31 2010, 12:16 PM
I think it's accidental. Sampdoria is also below Chievo, which obviously isn't right.
Posted by: han2503 Aug 31 2010, 12:23 PM
Well for being 5 times running champs, you'd think they wouldn't be so insecure.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 31 2010, 12:28 PM
One way or the other, they're all class-less. Just like Ibrahimović's comments on Zanetti.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Aug 31 2010, 12:31 PM
They weren't necessarily unprovoked! Zanetti should have shut his mouth.
Omg...lol...he hasn't even put on our jersey and I'm already defending him.
Posted by: han2503 Aug 31 2010, 12:44 PM
Like Jack is saying Zanetti did comment first, and we all know Zlatan will not keep his mouth shut. It's not like the Inter players had a problem with him joining them from Juve and practically leading them to 2 back-to-back titles
Zanetti should have shut his mouth. Omg...lol...he hasn't even put on our jersey and I'm already defending him.
Posted by: acid911 Aug 31 2010, 01:31 PM
It's the changing of the winds, folks. I like it. 
inter are back to being what they were before the scandal, they got a pathetic coach (as Han put it), and even worse transfer market. The players are old by an year, Mourinho is gone, most of their players have won almost all there is to win (so the drive just isn't there). And now these classless acts, reminds me of the inter of old.
In other words, things are back to normal. For a few years the Milan management started acting like inter (bad signings, bad results in the league and CL) of early 2000s. Trust me, I've been to a few inter forums, and they fear the worst. 
The storm has passed, and sun is coming out as far as all things AC Milan are concerned, so sit back, buckle up, and enjoy the ride. Good times are here to stay!!!
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 31 2010, 01:45 PM
^ Let's not get so excited just yet. Surely, we have a really great team this season and Inter have grown weaker compared to last season, but saying everything is back to how it was 4-5 years is a bit exaggerated IMO.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Aug 31 2010, 01:51 PM
I dunno maybe. But experience tells me cycles tend to be for every 5 years.
Posted by: acid911 Aug 31 2010, 01:53 PM
Jack put it right, and besides I said winds of change. It may take a couple of years for us to be back to our best, and likewise for inter to fall (they may not fall anyway, and may still be a force). But things are changing in the right direction, and that is reason enough to be happy about.
Posted by: han2503 Aug 31 2010, 01:54 PM
Imo Inter lost their most important esset. Mourinho.
But I do think that the team they currently have is too great for Rafa to f up, at least not for another few years, when he starts messing with everything from the staff to the players. His rotation policy is ridiculous though, so I'm hopeful this season that they will slip up more then last, and last season was far from perfect, they almost allowed us to overtake them at one point but we were not good enough to capitalise on their mistakes and neither were Roma.
Posted by: acid911 Aug 31 2010, 01:58 PM
Exactly, Rafa is a terribly hyped up coach. And if inter are stupid enough to let him continue and paint the team in his image, and get ready for some fun time. Most of my inter fans feared the worst when they were linked with this guy, and while it is too soon to tell, my hunch feeling is that Rafa will fudge things up at his new club. It's just a matter of time.
Posted by: Tennie Aug 31 2010, 02:08 PM
Well, didn't Rafa say in an interview just after he was signed that he wanted inert to play possession football? When have they EVER played that?
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 31 2010, 02:15 PM
But I do think that the team they currently have is too great for Rafa to f up, at least not for another few years, when he starts messing with everything from the staff to the players. His rotation policy is ridiculous though, so I'm hopeful this season that they will slip up more then last, and last season was far from perfect, they almost allowed us to overtake them at one point but we were not good enough to capitalise on their mistakes and neither were Roma.
Exactly. What made Inter special last season was their superb walk through the Champions League. Their Serie A season was far from brilliant.
Posted by: samira Aug 31 2010, 08:16 PM
Inter-Bologna 0-0
Posted by: Ry4n Aug 31 2010, 11:39 PM
Hey does anyone know any good sites where we can watch highlights of Serie A games or just goals ?!
Posted by: ForzaMaldini Sep 1 2010, 12:11 AM
Think we're ready
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 1 2010, 03:53 AM
YouTube is about your best bet for highlights, Ryan. That's generally where I have a look if I miss a Milan game.
Posted by: William405 Sep 1 2010, 08:06 AM
This:
http://www.101greatgoals.com/
Posted by: acid911 Sep 1 2010, 11:24 AM
By Goly, we are!
Bring it on, can't wait for business to pick up!
Posted by: han2503 Sep 10 2010, 11:38 AM
The Italian Footballers' Association has announced its decision to strike on the weekend commencing September 25, bringing Serie A to a grinding halt.
The AIC is protesting at the renewal of Serie A's collective-bargaining agreement.
Milan full-back Massimo Oddo read out the following statement: “The AIC, in accordance with the teams in Serie A, has decided that they will not take to the pitch on the 5th round of the season on September 25 and 26 in protest at the introduction of the new contractual regime.”
The highest profile match to be effected will be that between Roma and Inter.
When asked to explain the decision, Oddo said: “The players are fed up with being treated like objects and not like people.
“We are dealing with human rights here,” he concluded.
http://www.football-italia.net/sep10h.html
Funny how it's Oddo making such a statement. He fails to mention how players like him won't move to keep leaching off their clubs getting paid money they don't deserve
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 10 2010, 12:27 PM
The rich and pampered football players going into strike. If that's not the most ridiculous thing I've read...
Posted by: MizNelson Sep 10 2010, 02:25 PM
Yeah, tell that to China, most of whose citizens would kill to be in his position right now. Pretty laughable statement.
Posted by: Dracoris Sep 10 2010, 02:47 PM
The Serie A is not in the best financial position at the moment nor is it viewed as highly as it once was. If these players want a job at all they will re-think this idea.
Posted by: servbot Sep 10 2010, 03:19 PM
Hooray, Italian footballers are just as spoiled as American professional sports players!
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 10 2010, 04:58 PM
Remember when we were bashing Inter's website because they didn't put Milan first in the ranking table? Well, check this out: http://www.acmilan.com/classifica.aspx
Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 10 2010, 05:13 PM
Weird, again Parma on top. Why?
Posted by: han2503 Sep 10 2010, 08:38 PM
That deserves a headbang smiley
Posted by: han2503 Sep 10 2010, 08:43 PM
Inter boss Rafa Benitez has already started playing mind games with Milan by saying that they were favourites in Istanbul five years ago.
Milan are being tipped to win the Scudetto after signing Robinho and Zlatan Ibrahimovic in the final week of the transfer window.
Benitez famously managed Liverpool to an astonishing comeback over Milan in the 2005 Champions League Final in Istanbul.
When asked if he considers Milan favourites, Benitez said: “They also said it in Istanbul when I faced the Rossoneri with Liverpool.
“They said it until the end of the first half of that game, then something changed.”
Benitez then turned his attention to Inter's lacklustre transfer campaign.
“We waited to see if it was possible to sign some players, then I spoke with President Moratti and Marco Branca, and we know what we have done and what we must do.
“President Moratti has made financial sacrifices for many years straight and if for this reason he decided to stop, then he has his reasons.
“This team is strong. It has quality. We must recover the mentality we have last year. We can win everything with the right mentality.”
His team won because of some unbelievable luck, a Gerrard dive, and a referee not noticing an offside flag before one of the goals occured, not because he's a tactical mastermind
If anyone is the favourite for the Scudetto it's Inter, thankfully for us, they lost Mourinho and got Mr. Potato head instead.
I didn't see him gloathing in Athens when he was complaining to the ref about the time added on as an excuse for his team's failure
And I certainly never saw him do Liverpool any good in the league
Posted by: MizNelson Sep 10 2010, 09:27 PM
Would you argue that he is/was the most overrated coach of the past decade?
Posted by: han2503 Sep 10 2010, 09:44 PM
He wins by a country mile imo.
He rode a CL glory for all it was worth, until he ran Liverpool into the ground, and he's still riding all that glory, all the way to Inter. Luckily for us, they are our biggest competitors for the title
Posted by: William405 Sep 10 2010, 10:18 PM
The AIC is protesting at the renewal of Serie A's collective-bargaining agreement.
Milan full-back Massimo Oddo read out the following statement: “The AIC, in accordance with the teams in Serie A, has decided that they will not take to the pitch on the 5th round of the season on September 25 and 26 in protest at the introduction of the new contractual regime.”
The highest profile match to be effected will be that between Roma and Inter.
When asked to explain the decision, Oddo said: “The players are fed up with being treated like objects and not like people.
“We are dealing with human rights here,” he concluded.
Football-italia.net
What the hell,I don't get it.Especially the part of Oddo speaking :/
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 10 2010, 10:22 PM
What the hell,I don't get it.Especially the part of Oddo speaking :/
1. han posted the article a page back.
2. Oddo is the representative of the AIC.
3. I have no idea what this is all about and frankly I don't care.
Posted by: William405 Sep 10 2010, 10:54 PM
2. Oddo is the representative of the AIC.
3. I have no idea what this is all about and frankly I don't care.
Oh sorry,didn't notice.It was the most recent news on the website,and I checked the last page here.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 11 2010, 12:12 AM
Oh, I wouldn't. I think we underestimate Benitez. Do not get me wrong, he's a solid coach and he's done pretty good with Liverpool and Valencia. Fact stays, he's more succesfull then the past four Liverpool managers.
Posted by: Bluesummers Sep 11 2010, 12:37 AM
Mourinho was shocking his first campaign as well. He was just lucky that the teams competing with him were even more shocking.
His second spell he got the players he wanted and built his team around 3 players. Cesar, Lucio and Samuel. Then they won it all.
Benitez is the exact same prototype coach as mourinho. Defensive, slow build up etc etc.
Now all he has to do for the team to be competitive is get the mental aspect right and inter are back. In all other regards he still has a world class team that suits his style. Maybe he could have used a better winger than Eto but its still not bad.
Lets not judge him early
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 11 2010, 12:46 AM
I really don't think Mourinho built Inter around those 3 players. More like Maicon, Sneijder and Milito. They represent about 50% of the squad's strength.
Posted by: Bluesummers Sep 11 2010, 01:10 AM
disagree. Sure those players played a huge role in winning matches but I think the great wall of south america was what he built his team on.
Most of his games were based on a risky defensive strategy that depended on the performances of the keeper and 2 cb. He won all his big games by defending like a machine.
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 11 2010, 01:49 AM
Inter's always had a great defense in the last few years. If not, I'd say this year they managed to concede more than in the past. Lucio became good only in the second part of the season and Julio Cesar had probably his worst year at Inter. Mourinho realized that by playing a balanced line-up (4-3-1-2) Inter would have never gone far in the Champions League, that's why he put everything on his forwards and changed tactics to a risky 4-2-1-3. Attack is the best defense they say.
Posted by: acid911 Sep 11 2010, 05:44 PM
inter vs Udinese going 1-1 up to the final minutes in the first half. 
Hopefully it stays this way till the end!
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 11 2010, 05:47 PM
Inter 1-1 Udinese HT
Please, keep it up Udi!
Posted by: acid911 Sep 11 2010, 05:50 PM
Boy, Rafa's gonna need more notepad paper, no much intensity from inter. Stays 1-1 till the first half mark, Lucio with the opener in the 7th minute and Flores replied in the 31st.
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 11 2010, 05:54 PM
Why on earth does he play Mariga and Biabiany instead of Stankovic and Pandev? Duh...
Posted by: elcordobez Sep 11 2010, 05:59 PM
Saving for midweek CL?
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 11 2010, 06:02 PM
After drawing the first game, I don't think it's a wise decision. Anyway, it seems Stankovic is not even on the bench.
Posted by: William405 Sep 11 2010, 06:17 PM
I watched,the last 20minutes of the first half,and I have to say:Inter has lost it.Udinese are playing a good game so far...
Posted by: elcordobez Sep 11 2010, 06:17 PM
Sanchez is an absolute machine
single handedly ripping Inter a new one
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 11 2010, 06:27 PM
2-1 Eto'o.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 11 2010, 06:54 PM
Inter heading for th win. Well it was wishful thinking that they would lose points again. But they looked really bad so positive signs
Posted by: elcordobez Sep 11 2010, 06:55 PM
UGH
could have been a draw...Angella with the stupid handball
Posted by: acid911 Sep 11 2010, 07:08 PM
Well it's a good thing inter won. We don't want Moratti (who was in the stands, by the way, and looking quite concerned and worried) to fire off Rafa after just two matches into the season. Let their new coach work his magic, and let him work it long term.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 11 2010, 08:19 PM
C'mmon, take a break with the Rafa bashing. He isn't that poor..
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 11 2010, 10:26 PM
Cagliari 5-1 Roma
Posted by: acid911 Sep 11 2010, 10:32 PM
It's been just that sort of a day: A day of shock in world football.
Let's just laugh it off and make sure normal service resumes next week (and the midweek CL games). MU conceded 2 goals in the last few minutes, Barcelona and Milan both lost to newly promoted teams, Real and inter scrapped in, and well Roma hit the ground.I'll file it under amusement, and pray that the next round of games are better (or should I say normal).
Posted by: han2503 Sep 12 2010, 09:23 AM
Let's just laugh it off and make sure normal service resumes next week (and the midweek CL games). MU conceded 2 goals in the last few minutes, Barcelona and Milan both lost to newly promoted teams, Real and inter scrapped in, and well Roma hit the ground.I'll file it under amusement, and pray that the next round of games are better (or should I say normal).
Agreed. Just WOW
Posted by: Ry4n Sep 12 2010, 02:53 PM
Looks like its game on for Juve - Samp , they go into the half time break 1 -1 althought it couldve been 3 - 1 to Sampdoria they had two one on ones with Stotari hes kept Juve in it so far. two good saves Pozzi scored for Samp and Marchiso for Juve.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 12 2010, 03:14 PM
2-1 to Juve now
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 12 2010, 03:16 PM
Pepe was offside when Quagliarella touched the ball first.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 12 2010, 03:28 PM
Nice. And we had 3 goals disallowed last night for "offsides" that never existed
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 12 2010, 03:31 PM
3-2 for Juve. It looks like this goal was offside as well.
By the way, Krasic is having one monster of a game. Great, great player.
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 12 2010, 03:33 PM
3-3
Posted by: han2503 Sep 12 2010, 03:40 PM
Anyway the strange score lines seems to be continueing on from where they left off yesterday. Palermo lost, Fiorentina losing to lecce, Genoa losing, this Juve game etc.
Posted by: elcordobez Sep 12 2010, 03:43 PM
By the way, Krasic is having one monster of a game. Great, great player.
I'd still take Sanchez > Krasic on most days
3-3
Samp looks on the back foot though
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 12 2010, 03:56 PM
Anyway the strange score lines seems to be continueing on from where they left off yesterday. Palermo lost, Fiorentina losing to lecce, Genoa losing, this Juve game etc.
I don't think Juve not winning is that surprising.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Sep 12 2010, 04:15 PM
Anyway the strange score lines seems to be continueing on from where they left off yesterday. Palermo lost, Fiorentina losing to lecce, Genoa losing, this Juve game etc.
I don't think it is a good thing han ... We need these teams in form to put pressure on la merda .. or else we will have a run away train all over again.
I am starting to doubt Allegri's ability in managing a star studded squad right now, hence I would like to see those teams strive
Posted by: han2503 Sep 12 2010, 04:27 PM
I am starting to doubt Allegri's ability in managing a star studded squad right now, hence I would like to see those teams strive
Last week Allegri was a GOD, this week he's a lower level tectician, both assesments based on two games apart. I think everyone is getting ahead of themselves right now. Allegri strikes me as a smart man, he just needs time to find the right formula.
Also you're a big supporter of Carlo yourself, have we forgotten the days where things were going so bad and we had Seedorf and Kaka both having public spats with him during a game? Yet no one here questioned him and his man management skills, Allegri loses a game and he's suddenly inadequate to coach this team. Everyone was underestimating Cesena, players, fans, etc. That is he biggest problem, I think during this early part of the season if they have the physical capacity to keep it up they'll give a lot of teams a serious run for their money, not just us
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Sep 12 2010, 04:36 PM
Also you're a big supporter of Carlo yourself, have we forgotten the days where things were going so bad and we had Seedorf and Kaka both having public spats with him during a game? Yet no one here questioned him and his man management skills, Allegri loses a game and he's suddenly inadequate to coach this team. Everyone was underestimating Cesena, players, fans, etc. That is he biggest problem, I think during this early part of the season if they have the physical capacity to keep it up they'll give a lot of teams a serious run for their money, not just us
Allegri cant touch Ancelotti !
The next coach that reaches the Champions League final thrice, will win me over. Till, then he is prone to my criticism ... Carlo raised the bar in that
Posted by: han2503 Sep 12 2010, 04:50 PM
The next coach that reaches the Champions League final thrice, will win me over. Till, then he is prone to my criticism ... Carlo raised the bar in that
Carlo did that when having arguably the best team in Europe at his disposal, defense through attack the team was WC. The 07 final was more Kaka dragging the team on rather then Carlo's tactical mastery... And imo he under achieved as Milan coach having the team he had under him, just 1 Scudetto, 1 CL during the hey-days of that great squad. The Istanbul final and Deportivo debacle to me over shadow his CL win in 03. And don't even get me started on his final 2-3 seasons and his xmas tree formation
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 12 2010, 04:54 PM
Also you're a big supporter of Carlo yourself, have we forgotten the days where things were going so bad and we had Seedorf and Kaka both having public spats with him during a game? Yet no one here questioned him and his man management skills, Allegri loses a game and he's suddenly inadequate to coach this team. Everyone was underestimating Cesena, players, fans, etc. That is he biggest problem, I think during this early part of the season if they have the physical capacity to keep it up they'll give a lot of teams a serious run for their money, not just us
Really? I recall only a few of us here defending Carlo over and over again, while mostly he was called a retard, or a idiot or a stubborn idiot or whatever.
I agree, we can't judge him based on 2 games. But we also cannot neglect what our instinct tells us. It's also a valuable aspect.
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 12 2010, 04:55 PM
Also you're a big supporter of Carlo yourself, have we forgotten the days where things were going so bad and we had Seedorf and Kaka both having public spats with him during a game? Yet no one here questioned him and his man management skills, Allegri loses a game and he's suddenly inadequate to coach this team. Everyone was underestimating Cesena, players, fans, etc. That is he biggest problem, I think during this early part of the season if they have the physical capacity to keep it up they'll give a lot of teams a serious run for their money, not just us
+1
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Sep 12 2010, 04:55 PM
Carlo Ancelotti is one of the top three to have coached Milan in my lifetime ! Allegri has yet to win any of us over
Posted by: han2503 Sep 12 2010, 05:08 PM
I agree, we can't judge him based on 2 games. But we also cannot neglect what our instinct tells us. It's also a valuable aspect.
When I say no one, I'm talking about the ones who were so quick to judge Allegri yet came to Carlo's defense no matter to what we were treated that current week, be it a drubbing against his favourite side Palermo, a last minute winner for Atalanta, playing 10 games straight without scoring a single goal, or only managing meager 1-1 draws, etc, etc.
Carlo messed up big time during his last few seasons at Milan, he turned into the almost man he was at Juve, going for the defensive option being happy with a draw as long as it's not a defeat. And I'm not even going to go into the 2 episodes I mentioned above, which imo are the 2 biggest mistakes in his carreer, without a shadow of a doubt.
My instinct tells me that Allegri will find his feet at Milan and estalish himself as a great coach. What I saw on matchday 1 imo is more signifacant then what we saw yesterday. Against Lecce he had the team he'd been preparing with all through summer, then suddenly international break and everything is turned on him. Even if it just 2 players, its 2 big players that bring in massive expectaions, as well as egos and change the way we play completely, especially Ibra.
It will take time, but I'm more comfortable with him as coach then I was with Carlo during his last years and certainly more comfortable then I was with Leo as coach
You're making my brain bleed!!!
I still stand by my point! He was a major underachiever for the calibre of the squad he had at his disposal
And he might be the rhird best coach to have coached Milan during our time, but it goes like this:
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Posted by: Rossoneri7 Sep 12 2010, 05:12 PM
I still stand by my point! He was a major underachiever for the calibre of the squad he had at his disposal
And he might be the rhird best coach to have coached Milan during our time, but it goes like this:
Sacchi
Capello
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You are treading on thin ice my friend .. The polar bears are not far from where you are ... While I am sure the Piranha is rather hungry these days
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 12 2010, 05:17 PM
What? How can you rate Carlo so low? You know, Capello himself messed up a few seasons as well, even worse then Ancelotti ever did. And where the hell is Zaccheroni? He won us the miraculous scudetto.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 12 2010, 05:33 PM
Bring it on!!!
Tabarez was a joke to rile people up. What that very nice digram shows is that yes Carlo came in third but he's a big step down from the other 2.
Zaccheroni, comes in somewhere under Carlo, like I said, Tabarez was a joke, hence the
next to himCapello made mistakes on his second appointment as Milan coach, that team under him during his first spell, even if it wasn't as great as that of Sacchi's was just amazing, deadly efficient. Plus he gave us the most beautiful CL win in Milan's history
Carlo for me just doesn't hold a candle to the other 2, yes the CLs put a shine to him, but I don't buy into it. He made a lot of mistakes, too many mistakes to ever redeem himself in my eyes
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 12 2010, 06:22 PM
I see your point han, you are only counting the trophies we won under Carlo. But try to be a little more thorough and you'll see: 3 Champions League finals, 1 semi-final and 1 quarter-final in 5 years. That is a massive achievement for a coach. Surely, in Italy he wasn't as successful as we'd all had wished, but Carlo brought us back to the top of Europe after a long period of abstinence. Not to mention all the spectacular football we played back then. That doesn't mean I rate him higher than Sacchi and Capello, but the guy sits just next to them.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 12 2010, 07:19 PM
With the 3 CL finals I see Istanbul as well with them. Same thing with the Deportive thing. Carlo was a KO genius in the CL I don't deny that, I'm also the first to tell you that between 03 and 05/06 we played some of the best football in Europe. But some of his mistakes to me are just way to big to look past. The league disappointment to me is another thing that I cannot get over not when he had the team he did
Posted by: William405 Sep 12 2010, 08:42 PM
1-1 Ht,Napoli vs Bari.Cavani has impressed.He scored the goal,and in addition to his work up front.He was able to help the midfeild.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Sep 12 2010, 09:14 PM
Elaborate more on the team he had between 02 and 06, the team that finished 2nd on more than one occasion with a Juve team that was of the highest caliber. You take the 2nd place finish along with the fact that Milan was flying the italian flag alone at the most elite brand of European football. Hence, I see no wrong done by Carlo until then.
07 till 09, he was with a drained out squad with not much depth into it. I didnt see Leo doing any better. And the creme de la creme was the issue of Serie A being robbed from Italian football since 2006
I am not decorating Carlo, he is already decorated and is continuing his career as a grand coach in England.
If you find his flaws to be greater than the Champions League badge, on the side of the shirt, jumping from 5 to 7 in the span of four years, bar the final in between (which could have made it an 8). That is injustice in itself han.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 12 2010, 10:45 PM
07 till 09, he was with a drained out squad with not much depth into it. I didnt see Leo doing any better. And the creme de la creme was the issue of Serie A being robbed from Italian football since 2006
I am not decorating Carlo, he is already decorated and is continuing his career as a grand coach in England.
If you find his flaws to be greater than the Champions League badge, on the side of the shirt, jumping from 5 to 7 in the span of four years, bar the final in between (which could have made it an 8). That is injustice in itself han.
Juve's team was great but Milan had an edge over it. Imo Carlo could have done more. During those times, we had an all Italian final, 3 teams in the semi finals, Inter and Juve both going long way in the CL as well. It wasn't as bad as you make it seem. Milan flew the flag in Europe from 05 to 07, seasons before that the other top teams in Italy were competitive
So what you're saying is that Carlo is ok as long as he has a top quality team, but when some of that quality is lost he cannot compensate for it. We'll see how he does at Chelsea when his squad isn't as good as it currently is, a squad that imo is one of the top 5 in Europe.
I never said Carlo is sh!t or anything along those lines, but imo he could have done a lot more at Milan, he could have built a leagcy that surpassed the other 2 coaches mentioned, but made mistakes that prevented that.
Also talking about Leo, he inherited an even weaker squad off Carlo and managed a better finish then Carlo, that imo says a lot
Posted by: Bluesummers Sep 12 2010, 11:11 PM
Juve played with only 3 Non-italians that game against sampdoria. That is impressive !
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 12 2010, 11:40 PM
This is basically my opinion of him.
I'm not going to say he's a bad coach, because a bad coach will still fail with a great team and Carlo didn't fail. I just don't think he won enough, 2 CLs and 1 league title in a decade in charge of Italys big 2, it's not all that impressive.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 13 2010, 12:18 AM
You keep bringing up does mistakes, while I honestly mean Istambul was pure luck.
On the other hand, we keep mentioning Capello and Sacchi, but can we compare those two time periods? Honestly? Champions Cup and Champions League makes a hell of a difference. In Capello/Sacchi days Milan had usually a easy start with teams like Ljubljana or HJK from Finland to deal, while tuff opposition occured only in quater finals and the semis. It was way easier to get to the final, then in the complicated Champions League system, espcially in the pre-Platini era with two group stages.
IMO it says very little and masks the reality. It's like saying - Capello managed to finish 11th with Milan, while the next season Tabarez and Morini did better end the next one Zaccheroni got us the scudetto - does it say a lot?
Honestly, can't we agree that Leonardo was a rookie coach who marked one of Milan's biggest defeats against Inter in history? Can someone like the guy or rate him after such a debacle?
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Sep 13 2010, 12:26 AM
So what you're saying is that Carlo is ok as long as he has a top quality team, but when some of that quality is lost he cannot compensate for it. We'll see how he does at Chelsea when his squad isn't as good as it currently is, a squad that imo is one of the top 5 in Europe.
I never said Carlo is sh!t or anything along those lines, but imo he could have done a lot more at Milan, he could have built a leagcy that surpassed the other 2 coaches mentioned, but made mistakes that prevented that.
Also talking about Leo, he inherited an even weaker squad off Carlo and managed a better finish then Carlo, that imo says a lot
han, Carlo is not an ok coach .. Name one coach post Sacchi & Capello's first stints, that hauled in 8 trophies at their time with Milan.
la merda and Juve don't come close to Milan's record in that competition when Carlo was coach. Agree Juve had a remarkable squad, while la merda had a great XI, but neither of them showed what Milan under Carlo showed in that competition.
Leo had as much chance of winning the Scudetto as Roma did twice post 2006; zero chance.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 13 2010, 12:38 AM
8 trophies in 8 years, but only 3 major trophies. The World Club Cup, European Super Cup and Italian Super Cup are glorified friendlies. I see Jose get alot of criticism on the board and if I were to claim he'd won 17 trophies in the past 8 years(which also includes an 8 month period where he wasn't managing), some on here would go on about how some 'dont count' or whatever.
If 8 in 8 years is great, then 17 in 8 years is, well, Special.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Sep 13 2010, 12:47 AM
If 8 in 8 years is great, then 17 in 8 years is, well, Special.
Also 17 in 8 gives some orgasms
Did Jose Mourinho coach Milan ? Well if he ever gets the privilage then we can talk, until then Carlo out did his unsuccessful predecessors
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 13 2010, 04:48 AM
Did Jose Mourinho coach Milan ? Well if he ever gets the privilage then we can talk, until then Carlo out did his unsuccessful predecessors
I agree that Ancelotti out did the coaches before him, but that's not difficult given the disasters we went through under them!
Posted by: han2503 Sep 13 2010, 09:53 AM
On the other hand, we keep mentioning Capello and Sacchi, but can we compare those two time periods? Honestly? Champions Cup and Champions League makes a hell of a difference. In Capello/Sacchi days Milan had usually a easy start with teams like Ljubljana or HJK from Finland to deal, while tuff opposition occured only in quater finals and the semis. It was way easier to get to the final, then in the complicated Champions League system, espcially in the pre-Platini era with two group stages.
IMO it says very little and masks the reality. It's like saying - Capello managed to finish 11th with Milan, while the next season Tabarez and Morini did better end the next one Zaccheroni got us the scudetto - does it say a lot?
Honestly, can't we agree that Leonardo was a rookie coach who marked one of Milan's biggest defeats against Inter in history? Can someone like the guy or rate him after such a debacle?
Some said that the team was celebrating during half time that night. That's bringing on trouble imo, the match isn't over until the ref blows his whistle. Sure they were lucky but imo Milan played into it big time. And Carlo shouldn't have condoned such an attitude when he should know better
You can only beat what is in front of you, alot of people talk about our 07 win as something that was thanks to the poor opposition we faced until we met Man U who had a decimated defence.
The point still stand with a stronger team Carlo couldn't even make the CL spots, while Leo at least managed 3rd. After losing Kaka and Paolo. And we had some bad losses under Carlo against Inter as well so... My point here is, that without a top class team Carlo cannot manage anything. Look at him winning in England, he has the best team in the country imo, while Man U lost a lot of strength when they sold C.Ron, someone who used to score over 30 goals a season.
la merda and Juve don't come close to Milan's record in that competition when Carlo was coach. Agree Juve had a remarkable squad, while la merda had a great XI, but neither of them showed what Milan under Carlo showed in that competition.
Leo had as much chance of winning the Scudetto as Roma did twice post 2006; zero chance.
Like kurt said, he only managed 3 major triophies, who really cares about the others aside from the management, who like to put BS statements under the team crest...
Like I said before, I think Carlo was a genius when it came to KO rounds, but Inter and Juve in the time were Milan were really strong in the competition weren't as weak as you're making them out to be. The only time Milan really 'flew the flag' was in 07 when Inter got KO'd early and Juve were out completely due to playing in Serie B
I wasn't talking about him winning the Scudetto, I was talking about doing better in a season then Carlo with a much weaker team.
If 8 in 8 years is great, then 17 in 8 years is, well, Special.
I'm no Mourinho fan but I agree with you completely
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 13 2010, 04:02 PM
Oh Christ, you still believe that?
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 13 2010, 04:34 PM
I do. Maldini said it wasn't celebrating, but arguing.. yeah, okay. If you're going to lie to cover something up, at least make it vaguely believable. Arguing!
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 13 2010, 04:48 PM
Well, they were probably excited they were 3-0 at the end of the first half in a CL final, it's only natural. But I doubt they were actually celebrating it.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 13 2010, 07:09 PM
I'm not so sure. For such a conclusion, I'd got to have more arguments and facts. If I pull out that Carlo was excellent with Reggiana in his first season, but then you could argue that his team was also world class in Serie B ranks. Then we have Parma and Juve, which can also be taken as class teams..so...this can be based only on that 1 Milan season. Not enough.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 13 2010, 07:34 PM
The Parma run imo was impressive, but as you say, at that time he had a squad full of young talented players, so....
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Sep 13 2010, 07:54 PM
Like I said before, I think Carlo was a genius when it came to KO rounds, but Inter and Juve in the time were Milan were really strong in the competition weren't as weak as you're making them out to be. The only time Milan really 'flew the flag' was in 07 when Inter got KO'd early and Juve were out completely due to playing in Serie B
I wasn't talking about him winning the Scudetto, I was talking about doing better in a season then Carlo with a much weaker team.
If the Euro Super Cup and the Fifa Club World Cup titles are BS to you, for me they are just as important. Since I am not a European, I know exactly what the FCWC stands for. Many European teams play their strongest XI to win it when they get a chance. And just to add on that the last time we lifted that trophy was in 1990, that was when the world truly grasped the concept of the Dutch Trio and how I got a chance to be a fan in the first place.
In order for a team to compete for those trophies you need to win the biggest prize in European football. If you degrade them, well, we simply can not reach a moral understanding.
I didn't say Juve was weak. I said Milan flew the Italian flag throughout those years in that competition alone. No team in Europe could complete a feat to reach the final three times in four years?
You don't need to praise him han ... You don't need to give him recognition for anything, what he did at Milan is already written and set in stone. He is a person all the coming coaches will aspire to outdo; Leonardo, Allegri, and so on and so forth, till he is outdone. He is one of the most successful coaches to have played their trade at Milan.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 13 2010, 08:04 PM
In order for a team to compete for those trophies you need to win the biggest prize in European football. If you degrade them, well, we simply can not reach a moral understanding.
I didn't say Juve was weak. I said Milan flew the Italian flag throughout those years in that competition alone. No team in Europe could complete a feat to reach the final three times in four years?
You don't need to praise him han ... You don't need to give him recognition for anything, what he did at Milan is already written and set in stone. He is a person all the coming coaches will aspire to outdo; Leonardo, Allegri, and so on and so forth, till he is outdone. He is one of the most successful coaches to have played their trade at Milan.
Teams don't go into the CL just at the possibility to win the CWC, the ultimate prize is the CL itself, the CWC and super cup are side gravies. Sure I like my meat with a little gravy on it, but I'd be just as happy with the juicy steak alone anyway.
Like I said, Milan only flew the flag in 07, other years Inter and Juve got far into the CL. Flying the flag meens going through the KOs when all the other Italian teams are out, aside from 07 that was not the case.
I praise him for what he should be praised for, but I don't glorify him like you do. He achieved great things, but also made a lot of mistakes along the way, and that is the way I'll always see Carlo
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Sep 13 2010, 08:47 PM
Like I said, Milan only flew the flag in 07, other years Inter and Juve got far into the CL. Flying the flag meens going through the KOs when all the other Italian teams are out, aside from 07 that was not the case.
I praise him for what he should be praised for, but I don't glorify him like you do. He achieved great things, but also made a lot of mistakes along the way, and that is the way I'll always see Carlo
Glorify him ? Was that glorifying ? Then what do you call the Mourinho mental-masturbation that goes on here ? No I don't glorify him, I just give recognition where one is needed.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 13 2010, 09:03 PM
They glorify Mourinho just as much, I never said they didn't
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 13 2010, 10:39 PM
Then again, we could speculate that Arrigo Sacchi is the exact same kind of coach - all his achievements came with a brilliant Milan or Italy, while when Milan had a weaker team, or with Parma and Atletico Madrid - he won nothing.
So you see, many coaches fall under the same conclusion - which is to me not sufficient.
Posted by: Bluesummers Sep 14 2010, 12:47 AM
If I were rating the top 5 managers in the world right now I'd go:
1)Mourinho
2)Ancelotti
3)Ferguson
4)Capello
5)Van Gaal
guardiola doesn't make my list because he imo is still untested. Once he manages a different team we'll see how capable he is.
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In regards to the debate about coaches, there are alot of variables that factor into how strong a coach actually is. Its hard to argue it.
In regards to ancelotti, I consider him strong because he's produced in Italy, Europe and England.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 14 2010, 05:08 AM
Ancelotti over SAF? I don't like the guy, but he's the best manager ever, in my opinion. His record with Aberdeen is ridiculous on its own, then obviously United..
van Gaal in the top 5, no Hiddink?
I can't agree there Blue.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Sep 14 2010, 05:14 AM
I rate Fergie as a manager. As a coach/tactician not so much. Few managers have been given the kind of carte blanche that Fergie has at Man U. Mourinho at Chelsea is an exception. And he's worshipped by the Man U fans, who give him enough and more leeway. Plenty of his dry runs have been forgiven.
I personally feel that plays a huge role in the success of a club. How much latitude you have from your management? I think that's why Carlo's loving Chelsea life right now.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 14 2010, 05:36 AM
Fergie isn't really liked by the hardcore United fans much at all. There's been a couple of times they've started poorly, with a few losses or draws and they've basically used it as an excuse to get rid. They hate the fact he likes the Glazers too. But like I said, he did exceptional at Aberdeen, winning the title is one thing, but to win a European trophy with Aberdeen?
If we're talking tactician, then there's even more reason to lower Ancelotti and more reason to have Hiddink in the list.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Sep 14 2010, 05:58 AM
If we're talking tactician, then there's even more reason to lower Ancelotti and more reason to have Hiddink in the list.
Bah. Jose won it with Porto. The Cup Winner's Cup is kinda odd. Like Filippo said, it's only recently with the CL that it became really competitive. But credit to him. I think he's the best football manager around definitely. Probably up there with Shankly et al.
Hiddink, I don't really rate. He puts out well drilled teams a la Mourinho...that I accept. But there's nothing in there that makes me go wow! His club record isn't that great. He's done well with PSV..but only just. Not to say he's a bad coach...but he's not my personal favourite.
For me, I don't really rank coaches, since it's such a personal thing based on your preference. Mourinho's a great coach, but I couldn't support a side that play football the way his teams do.
At the same time, the tiki-taka of Barca is so over hyped, I don't fancy it as well. I like to see teams that can mix it up. It's why I love Carlo's team. They can switch from a Bach symphony to Scandinavian death metal depending on the mood of the match.
But it's personal. Other people like different kinds of football. Some people just prefer a coach who wins. So obviously their choices differ.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 14 2010, 06:39 AM
Fair enough. It's weird how people can see things so differently, you feel Carlo is great at switching things up, I feel his biggest defficiency as a manager is not having any Plan B. It's a funny old game.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Sep 14 2010, 08:04 AM
Well the perspective with people who criticise Carlo is they all focus on his last 2-3 years in Milan. Which kinda shadows his first 5, when he actually had active support from the management.
I don't mean he switches things all the time in play. The best way to look at what I'm saying is to compare the way Milan (2002-2005) and Chelsea (present) play.
They don't play the same way ditto (that Milan's technical quality was out of this world with Rui-Sheva-Zee-Pirlo), but you notice a certain similar fluency in both sides.
You'll never hear this Chelsea complain like Arsenal about Bolton/Blackpool's tackles. They'll drill through it and come off with a one-goal, two goal win. But at the same time if you want to take them on in 'propah football' they'll step up and still rip you a new one - And the personnel will never change.
That's what I mean by team versatility. It was there for 'that' Milan as well. I mean, you knew what was coming; you know you were coming up against the 4-3-1-2...but that was that. You could park out your team jet or set all your guns blazing...but it wouldn't make a difference.
Cafu/Stam----Nesta---Maldini----Sergio/Kaladze
-----------Rino-----Pirlo-----Seedorf-------------
------------------Rui Costa------------------------
-------------Sheva--------------------------------
-------------------------Pippo---------------------
One of my most favourite Milan XIs ever. Man..what a player Rui was! And we hadn't even gotten him at his prime.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 14 2010, 09:20 PM
Wait, why Hiddink over van Gaal? You do know van Gaal is much much more successfull? Hiddink just can't win gold.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 14 2010, 09:54 PM
Hiddinks achievments are better than van Gaals, in my opnion. Though I don't count Hiddink's South Korea as an achievment.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 14 2010, 09:56 PM
But van Gaal reached the final of the Champions League with Bayern, won with Ajax, also played the semis with Barcelona.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 14 2010, 10:02 PM
Hiddink won it with PSV, van Gaal has rarely managed a 'small' club either, just AZ that I can think of, while Hiddink has overachieved both at club and International level. van Gaal's only attempt at International management failed quite badly.
Posted by: Zed.D Sep 16 2010, 08:28 AM
Both are great coaches.
Posted by: acid911 Sep 16 2010, 09:00 AM
True that, ZD. I'd have to think really hard to pick one ahead of the other. Both are good!
Posted by: Bluesummers Sep 17 2010, 09:52 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSzNYstaAh0
Posted by: d'Arc.LP Sep 17 2010, 09:55 AM
Posted by: Bluesummers Sep 17 2010, 10:02 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FabhmafWKyI&feature=channel
Posted by: Woorya Sep 18 2010, 12:12 AM
hahahahaha
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 19 2010, 05:01 AM
I'd have to think really hard to pick one ahead of the other. Both are good!Boooooring.
Man up and make a choice dammit.
Posted by: acid911 Sep 19 2010, 06:37 AM
Okay, I take Hiddink. Having said that, van Gaal comes across as better in man management, from what I've seen of him lately. And that is a very important trait to have nowadays.
Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 19 2010, 02:32 PM
Without doing research when I hear Hiddink and Van Gaal I think of two great great coaches but Hiddink earns another 'great' IMO.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 19 2010, 02:48 PM
Hiddink imo is a great example of a coach who can do great things with little resources.
Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 19 2010, 02:52 PM
Agreed.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 19 2010, 03:29 PM
Last I checked Inter 1-1 against Palermo, they were losing but Eto'o brought them back level. Hopefully they don't win so we'll only be a point behind
Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 19 2010, 03:36 PM
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Inter is winning... and all my words about Milan being > Inter seem like BS at the moment
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 19 2010, 03:41 PM
Inter is winning... and all my words about Milan being > Inter seem like BS at the moment
That's what you get for being so cocky.
Posted by: RinoIlCapitano Sep 19 2010, 03:42 PM
Inter is winning... and all my words about Milan being > Inter seem like BS at the moment
the ref is aweful, two clear penalties (one 100% clear) for palermo not given
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 19 2010, 03:48 PM
Pastore is a fantastic player. Such a waste at Palermo.
Posted by: RinoIlCapitano Sep 19 2010, 03:48 PM
a great chance for pastore, he hit the post!
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 19 2010, 03:49 PM
I don't think either of them were penalty.
Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 19 2010, 03:50 PM
Serie A is gonna be a beach once again for us.
Posted by: RinoIlCapitano Sep 19 2010, 03:50 PM
the first one was 100% clear!
Posted by: han2503 Sep 19 2010, 03:57 PM
Isn't it funny how when Inter need a goal they get 6 minutes added time, but when they're barely hanging on they just get 4, because less cannot be justified due to all the time wasting and subs that happened
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 19 2010, 04:03 PM
Now let's not start clinging on such irrelevant details. Even if the referee had given 5 minutes today nothing would have changed. We should worry about our own issues rather than blame the others.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 19 2010, 04:21 PM
I know what our issues are, but these are details that have been going on for a while in Inter games. Yet we got 3 goals disallowed against Cesena.
Imo the paranoia of most fans when it comes to Inter is more then justified, as I believe they are more crooked then the Juve Triad at their very best.
These little details can make a difference, 6 minutes against Bologna when they were drawing and nothing significant happening in the game to allow such an added on time is more then just a meaningless detail imo.
I do believe our team has a lot of problems, but looking at the referees for answers is not about hiding our problems. We can't play well every game, Inter haven't played a single decent game this season, yet they're scraping through, while we haven't been playing well either, but have lost a game due to 3 legit goals being ruled out. To me that makes a lot of difference. I've said we were cr@p against Cesena and played into their hands, but Championship winners have cr@p games throughout a season but manage to win by scrapping it, that's what we would have done had the goals not been ruled out.
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 19 2010, 04:27 PM
Are you sure? This of today was probably one of their best games since I remember.
Posted by: Suhail 3 Sep 19 2010, 04:28 PM
so despite inter playing tougher games they still have a 3 point cushion on us already great
Posted by: han2503 Sep 19 2010, 04:33 PM
I wasn't all that impressed, I only saw the second half tbh, but the first half they were losing so it couldn't have been all that better. They still look scrappy most of the time.
greatInter have the same core group they did as last year. Like I've been saying all along, this Scudetto is their's to lose and ours to gain, we were never favourites.
I think the fact that we currently had the easier schdule on paper isn't all that troubling, our team is still adjusting while Inter have basically picked up where they left off last season. Inter lost a lot of points under Mourinho last season as well, no doubt they'll lose a lot of points again this season, it's just a matter of whether or not we can be there to capitalise when that happens.
And let's not forget, Inter have the CWC to play as well, that puts more strain on their squad.
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 19 2010, 05:27 PM
They had a great first half, Palermo's goal was just a coincidence. I'm not glad to say this, but Inter are still far superior to us. At least until Allegri gets his sh!t together.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 19 2010, 05:32 PM
I always said they had the better overall team. And the fact that they have kept the same team as last season also works in their favour. We're still in an adjustment period right now, we just don't have the time for it
Posted by: Suhail 3 Sep 19 2010, 06:21 PM
lol @ wiseguyhan 
why is it that you never hear of inter players getting injured always ours lets hope some crazy s americans break some black an blue legs in december really hope we can overtake them by then
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 19 2010, 07:13 PM
They do have their fair share of injuries. I remember not too long ago when they seemingly had no defenders available and had Rivas playing regularly.
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 19 2010, 07:20 PM
why is it that you never hear of inter players getting injured always ours lets hope some crazy s americans break some black an blue legs in december really hope we can overtake them by thenHave you ever heard about punctuation?
Posted by: han2503 Sep 19 2010, 07:33 PM
Punctuation is a waste of time on the Internet.
Posted by: Suhail 3 Sep 19 2010, 08:00 PM
Amen to that
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Sep 19 2010, 10:05 PM
B.S.!
Posted by: acid911 Sep 20 2010, 05:39 AM
It is a waste of time that saves others time. No fun in reading a post twice or thrice just to understand what is written. And no wonder your grades have taken a nose-dive. It's all about the attitude, and you my dear student have little of it. Or none.+1 million.
Reading onscreen is difficult as it is, without the need of bad (or ever worse, no) punctuation making it painful. It just takes an extra minute, but a few appropriate linguistic symbols here and there sure help a lot.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 20 2010, 10:03 AM
I would have thought the big @ss full stop at the end of the post would have pointed to the sarcasm in it
Posted by: acid911 Sep 20 2010, 10:55 AM
Gotta hand it to you, you got me there.
I thought it was there just for the decor, hehe! But seriously though, I can somewhat live with bad spelling, but a lengthy paragraph with no full stops, commas, or idea where a sentence starts or ends, no way. I see quite a few on various forums and sites, and just skip/skim through them.The one Suhail posted is forgivable though; it's just a couple of lines. But full pages, oh my, the headache!
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 20 2010, 10:29 PM
There was a member on here who used to type huge paragraphs without any punctuation at all, can't remember his name though.
Posted by: acid911 Sep 20 2010, 11:29 PM
Oh, it probably is of the time before I signed up here. Must have been a real job trying to read his/her posts!
Posted by: elcordobez Sep 22 2010, 10:27 PM
Inter Milan - Bari 4 - 0
Brescia - Roma 2 - 1
Lecce - Parma 1 - 1
Genoa - Fiorentina 1 - 1
Bologna - Udinese 2 - 1
Lazio - Milan 1 - 1
Catania - Cesena 2 - 0
Cagliari - Samp 0 - 0
Napoli - Chievo 1 - 3
ROMA losing to Brescia Ranieri not looking good,i'm not sure they can afford to sack him though lol..
Posted by: han2503 Sep 23 2010, 09:34 AM
Brescia - Roma 2 - 1
Lecce - Parma 1 - 1
Genoa - Fiorentina 1 - 1
Bologna - Udinese 2 - 1
Lazio - Milan 1 - 1
Catania - Cesena 2 - 0
Cagliari - Samp 0 - 0
Napoli - Chievo 1 - 3
ROMA losing to Brescia
Ranieri not looking good,i'm not sure they can afford to sack him though lol..Udinese, Fiorentina and Roma are really struggling...
Finally Cesena losing, I think they put up great performances lately, but it was never going to last, the way they were playing was obviously going to burn them out, and fast
Nice to see Chievo still flying high. We'll see how long that lasts as well.
Usual business for Inter.
Posted by: Linkman Sep 25 2010, 04:42 AM
Wow, everybody here loves Chievo!
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Sep 25 2010, 09:38 AM
September 24, 2010
Juventus president Andrea Agnelli says Inter are nervous as the Italian football federation (FIGC) goes through wiretaps to gather new Calciopoli evidence.
Juve lost their titles of 2005 and 2006 as a result of the scandal, which saw the club accused of attempting to rig games through referee selection. Among other punishments, they were relegated to Serie B, while AC Milan, Fiorentina, Lazio and Reggina were also hit with points deductions.
However, there have since been suggestions that Inter - who were handed the 2006 title in Juve's place - were also involved, with Paolo Bergamo, the official who appointed referees, having indicated that the Nerazzurri should also have been punished.
The FIGC is reopening the investigation as Juve have handed over new wiretapped phone calls. Juve want Inter stripped of the 2006 title and for it not to be assigned to anyone, as was the case with the 2005 Scudetto.
FIGC president Giancarlo Abete said: "The FIGC lawyers are gathering the transcripts of those phone calls recently submitted to the Naples court as evidence in the Calciopoli trial.
"These will then be sent to the Federal Prosecutor for evaluation and can complete the documentation received recently of 228 CD-ROMs to be transcribed."
Inter president Massimo Moratti said this week: "I saw the Juventus directors and Abete look pretty happy after their meeting. Evidently they are already on the same page, but I don't need to ask Abete for anything."
Agnelli believes Moratti may have reasons to be fearful.
"Evidently Moratti is nervous," he said. "As for us, we have absolutely no reason to be nervous or irritable. Do Inter feel the same way? I don't know.
"I only focus on what happens at Juventus. We are calm. We know what is in the evidence, the Federation also knows, so we have faith waiting for their judgment.
"As far as I am concerned, there is a very relaxed rapport between Inter and Juventus. You know the facts. On the basis of the new wiretaps, Inter also had some phone calls with the officials. Therefore, the Scudetto should not be assigned."
Link: http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=826359&sec=europe&cc=3888
Posted by: han2503 Sep 25 2010, 12:29 PM
Calciopoli is BS through and through. Troncetti Provera one of the Inter shareholders and member of their board of directors was the so called mastermind behind the entire thing, his company handled the taps, so of course he was never going to release anything incriminating on Inter
Imo non of those phone calls should have been used as evidence
Posted by: elcordobez Sep 25 2010, 07:48 PM
I'm going to turn myself into a Roma supporter for the next 2hrs.
I hope they pull their heads out and win !
Posted by: Bluesummers Sep 25 2010, 09:16 PM
at least 5 inter players have yellow cards! LOL Ref is fair
Posted by: elcordobez Sep 25 2010, 09:21 PM
yeh it's getting rough Borriello is a step behind everything.
Posted by: Linkman Sep 25 2010, 09:38 PM
Rete Roma!
Posted by: elcordobez Sep 25 2010, 09:38 PM
YES VUCINIC!!!!!!!!!
I think they should just stick with mobile strikers instead of having Borri up front,he doesn't hold the ball anyway he just falls over
Posted by: han2503 Sep 25 2010, 09:41 PM
As soon as I started watching the stream Roma score!!!
Posted by: elcordobez Sep 25 2010, 09:44 PM
You missed all the yellow cards there must've been at least 10 of em
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 25 2010, 09:47 PM
Good job Vučinić, good job
Posted by: han2503 Sep 25 2010, 09:49 PM
I'm just glad I saw the goal. What a great cross from De Rossi! And we have no one in our team that can provide a decent cross like that
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 25 2010, 09:51 PM
Exactly. The nearest player who's capable of doing it is Seedorf. Still...
Posted by: elcordobez Sep 25 2010, 09:54 PM
Yeh picking out a shortie for a diving header is no easy feat.
But I wouldn't want to face Roma's midfield in general right now they completely dominated Inter forcing them to play on the counter.
I haven't watched much of Roma but it's unbelievable that they've been doing so bad but able to churn out a performance like that.
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 25 2010, 09:58 PM
F@ck yeah!!!
Posted by: Zed.D Sep 25 2010, 10:13 PM
Vucinic's goal was simply brilliant. it was one of those goals that take both precision and courage to score. well done to him for making Rafa's face turn red like that
I respectfully disagree. it's Xavi.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 25 2010, 10:16 PM
Last time I checked, Xavi was playing for Barcelona zeddie..
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 25 2010, 10:18 PM
No way!
Posted by: Zed.D Sep 25 2010, 10:22 PM
Didn't read han's post. my bad
But it's still debatable. Dinho too has provided inch perfect assists over these past two seasons. probably more than Seedorf has.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 25 2010, 11:44 PM
But it's still debatable. Dinho too has provided inch perfect assists over these past two seasons. probably more than Seedorf has.
Of course Dinho, but he usually does it while he's cutting in and swinging it in. I haven't seen a midfielder or most importantly a FB deliver a good cross for us since Cafu and Sergio left
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Sep 26 2010, 12:47 AM
No where near consistent but Antonini tries and sometimes gets through...
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 27 2010, 04:37 PM
Ah, when I was being desperate to sign Krasic and people here preferred Dinho over him, how fatal. There's no comparison between the two.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 27 2010, 05:12 PM
So who you guys guess will be first sacked of the Serie A coaches. Gaseprini and Mazzari are my favorites.
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 27 2010, 05:16 PM
Mazzari? Nah. Probably Guidolin.
Posted by: Zed.D Sep 27 2010, 07:01 PM
Why would Napoli want to sack Mazzarri? I think there's more chance of Del Neri or Ranieri getting the boot than Mazzarri as of right now.
Posted by: Zed.D Sep 28 2010, 12:34 PM
After Francesco Totti took offence to being replaced against Inter, Serafino Ingardia questions his status as Roma captain
http://www.football-italia.net/blogs/si108.html
I completely agree with this. Totti is (or was) a great footballer but it's amazing how he continues to disappoint people with his actions. there's been so many of them I can't even count anymore.
My point is, overall, Totti is overrated and the sooner he hangs his boots, the better. De Rossi would make a far better captain for the Romans IMO. at least he still has something valuable to offer on the pitch.
Posted by: Locke Lamora Sep 28 2010, 04:13 PM
This Ingardia guy sounds about as unbalanced a commentator as they get. A closet-Laziale, perhaps?
Posted by: MizNelson Sep 28 2010, 06:17 PM
I liked the schmaltzy reply ("the great Roman...") from the Adrian guy after the article.
Posted by: acid911 Oct 3 2010, 12:39 PM
Gee, this thread gets no love at all. Anyway, Lecce just went 1-0 up against Catania. Good for them, I want them to win this match. Also Udinese got a late winner against Cesena last night. Also a good result. Cesena were really riding with the wind when they defeat us by those two counterattack goals.
Really looking forward to Juve vs inter, later in the day. That'll be a cracker!
Posted by: han2503 Oct 3 2010, 01:57 PM
Anyway, Lecce just went 1-0 up against Catania. Good for them, I want them to win this match. Also Udinese got a late winner against Cesena last night. Also a good result. Cesena were really riding with the wind when they defeat us by those two counterattack goals.Really looking forward to Juve vs inter, later in the day. That'll be a cracker!
I'm hoping for a Juve win, but I'd be more then happy with a draw
Posted by: X-Offender Oct 3 2010, 02:03 PM
A draw would be better IMO, but watching Inter lose is never a bad thing.
Posted by: acid911 Oct 3 2010, 02:13 PM
Sorry, but I am greedy when it comes to inter. A loss like Roma, first preference, and a draw, second.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 3 2010, 03:39 PM
I can't see that happen. Firstly Inter lost against Roma and got slapped. Secondly, Juventus do not look like the team to beat them.
Posted by: CHU-LIP Oct 3 2010, 03:46 PM
Why? You think Juventus is what we need to worry for? I would love to see Inter lose, they are by far the real threat. A draw I can live with also.
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Oct 3 2010, 03:59 PM
so lazio go top after 1-0 win oer brescia and roma lost to napoli
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 3 2010, 04:00 PM
How long could Lazios good run last?
Posted by: Zed.D Oct 3 2010, 04:03 PM
Heh! it's been like this for a while. they start the seasons brightly, then after several games start to go downhill (for Roma it's the other way around). I don't think they can even make it to the Europa league.
Posted by: CHU-LIP Oct 3 2010, 04:04 PM
I don't think it's just a good run. I think this Lazio really is better than last season and they will get at least Europa League I expect.
Posted by: Zed.D Oct 3 2010, 04:07 PM
I'd bet on Palermo, Chievo and probably Napoli and Sampdoria to finish above Lazio.
EDIT: better than last season? who did they buy? I know they let one of the best LBs in Serie A leave for England. Reja is no small coach but he's not that great either. EDIT 2: I totally forgot they signed Hernanes. my bad
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 3 2010, 04:09 PM
It still remains to be seen but Reja is a coach like Ralf Rangnick. He usually starts great or good but looses almost everything in mid season. He did the same with Napoli, I'm very curious if he can avoid it this time.
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