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Posted by: KillerMax Nov 2 2008, 11:15 PM
Milan vs Braga 
Group E:
Braga 1 1 0 0 3 0 3
Milan 1 1 0 0 3 1 3
Wolfsburg 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Heerenveen 1 0 0 1 1 3 0
Portsmouth 1 0 0 1 0 3 0
Posted by: arivanjj Nov 2 2008, 11:19 PM
Kaka needs to rest for this one.. Shevchenko should play 90 mins 
Posted by: Portikins Nov 2 2008, 11:47 PM
They're in good shape but hey... they're a middle-table team in Portugal. Usually the 5th-8th.
No excuses. 3 points.
Posted by: acid911 Nov 3 2008, 12:25 AM
3 good and well earned points, that's all. 
Forza Milan!
Posted by: Darunia Nov 3 2008, 04:44 AM
Sheva and Pippo to start like the usual UEFA games...
something like this:
Dida
Antonini Senderos Kaladze Favalli
Flamini Emerson Seedorf
Ronaldinho
Pippo Sheva
Posted by: amancik Nov 3 2008, 06:00 AM
Agree with Darunia's formation. Either we win this game a small-margin like 1-0 or we'll trash em 5-0. It all depends on how we approach the ame.
Posted by: han2503 Nov 3 2008, 07:19 AM
something like this:
Dida
Antonini Senderos Kaladze Favalli
Flamini Emerson Seedorf
Ronaldinho
Pippo Sheva
I don't think Ronaldinho will play after he played the full match against Napoli
I would put Pato instead of him, he only played approx 25 minutes against Napoli, he needs to play to get his confidence back up after the amazing game he played against Siena without being able to score and the miss yesterday against Napoli. This will be the perfect match for him and Sheva to stretch their legs and score.
Posted by: Tennie Nov 3 2008, 02:07 PM
Training note: um. There wasn't any. They got a day off today, though some (unnamed) players did come in to do individual work and physical therapy.
Posted by: zdrossoneri Nov 3 2008, 02:51 PM
Agreed with han. Sheva-Pato for me in this one [I honestly don't think Sheva-Pippo is a good partnership. not anymore...]. Sheva definitely needs to score a goal at San Siro and Pato is going through a scoring jinx at the moment. he was either unlucky [like against Siena] or careless with his chances [like last night]. a goal could revive his form like the Zurich one did. Kaka needs a rest but I don't think he will get it! Flamini will definitely play [unless Carlo acts like a brutal ******* and bench him again].
Posted by: Tennie Nov 3 2008, 04:31 PM
Programming note for those in North America: GolTV will be broadcasting the game live.
Posted by: Il Diavolo Nov 3 2008, 04:46 PM
What about Cardacio? He's a better choice than Seedorf. Clarences needs to be fully fit for Lecce.
Dida, Antonini, Nesta, Kaladze, Jankulovski, Emerson, Flamini, Cardacio, Ronaldinho, Sheva, Pippo
And there's another formation which is more of a "dream-like" 
:
Dida, Antonini, Nesta, Kaladze, Jankulovski, Emerson, Flamini, Ronaldinho, Pato, Sheva Pippo
So, Pato would play behind the forwards. He has proven he's good at it. Why not? We will definetely score some goal with all Ronaldinho, Pato, Sheva and Pippo playing against a team from Portugal, where defence isn't all that impressive.
Posted by: Tennie Nov 3 2008, 04:51 PM
For reference, here's the official player list for the UEFA-Cup games (remember, the club has to submit a player list to UEFA in advance of the competition; they can make changes to the list after the January transfer window if they're still in the competition):
Goalkeepers
No. Name
1 Dida
12 Christian Abbiati
16 Zeljko Kalac
Defenders
No. Name
3 Paolo Maldini
4 Kakha Kaladze
15 Gianluca Zambrotta
18 Marek Jankulovski
19 Giuseppe Favalli
24 Philippe Senderos
25 Daniele Bonera
36 Matteo Darmian
53 Nicola Pasini
55 Alessandro Ruggeri
Midfielders
No. Name
5 Emerson
8 Gennaro Gattuso
10 Clarence Seedorf
21 Andrea Pirlo
23 Massimo Ambrosini
77 Luca Antonini
84 Mathieu Flamini
Forwards
No. Name
7 Pato
9 Filippo Inzaghi
11 Marco Borriello
22 Kaká
76 Andriy Shevchenko
80 Ronaldinho
So...no Nesta, no Uruguayans for the Braga game.
Posted by: Il Diavolo Nov 3 2008, 05:00 PM
Yes, I keep forgetting Nesta and Caradacio are not in the list. Ah... whatever. It will probably be Senderos and Kaladze in the center of defence.
Let's hope Sheva scores at least two. He seems to be ridiculously ignored by Ancelotti.
Posted by: zdrossoneri Nov 3 2008, 06:35 PM
No Uruguayans in UEFA list?? oh my god!!! then what competition are they supposed to play in?? I know they stand absolutely no chance of playing in our Serie A games. they weren't included in UEFA cup's easiest stages then most definitely won't be added to the list in January transfer window. knowing Carlo's way of thinking they won't play in Coppa games either!
What a joke... 
Posted by: Il Diavolo Nov 3 2008, 07:27 PM
"Destination Bernabeu" - I guess you're refereeing to CL's final in 2010. Nice. 
Posted by: acid911 Nov 3 2008, 08:19 PM
Ah yes.
I'd have very much liked to win Rome 2009, as we usually do well in alternate years with final appearances (2003, 2005, 2007). Pity it didn't happen. But then again, had it happened, I'm dead sure (pun always intended, Jack) we'd not have bought this army of new players. So in a way it's good we're in the UEFA Cup. Besides it could have been worse: No Europe, if we finished say, 9th?
Yeah, I know.
Posted by: dst Nov 3 2008, 10:40 PM
I knew Braga... just did not know they were Portuguese.
I hope Pato starts this one. Let's win.
What a joke...
Sometimes Carlo is not even worth getting mad at...
Posted by: F355 EDK Nov 4 2008, 02:09 AM
i expect ancelotti will set out the team for a strong performance against a team that we know can score goals. probably a more controlled outlook than say in the match against benfica last season
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Nov 4 2008, 02:57 PM
What a joke...
I they they will be loaned out by January .. I sure would have liked to see them more on the pitch, but I guess they still lack something to make a starting spot on the team.
If Antonini made it, along with Borriello and Pato, then the reason must be in their game .. They have the talent, that we cant question, but it is how they interpret the tactical aspect of the team that they must lack in.
Posted by: Tennie Nov 4 2008, 03:05 PM
Antonini is surprising a lot of people - myself included - with his performances. When his return was announced, I was honestly pretty sceptical of why he'd been brought back. Not now, though. He's really looked quite good and there have been rumblings in Italy about him possibly earning a call up to the NT.
Posted by: han2503 Nov 4 2008, 03:21 PM
If Antonini made it, along with Borriello and Pato, then the reason must be in their game .. They have the talent, that we cant question, but it is how they interpret the tactical aspect of the team that they must lack in.
Antonini and Boriello are far from being youngsters trying to make it in a big team. Both are going to hit 27 soon and both have experiance playing in Serie A. One of them was the 3rd highest top scorer in Serie A last season and the other was really impressive for Empoli. So you can't say that Carlo decided to play either of them because he reckognised some sort of talent in them that no one else could see. You have to stop trying to give him credit where it's not deserved.
Pato only plays because Carlo is pressurised to play him by Galliani and the price tag he was bought for. Because Carlo would be much happier playing Pippo every week then playing Pato.
Fact is Carlo doesn't believe in developing youth no matter how talented they are. This is why I believe that as long as we have Carlo as our coach we can stop hoping for the next Maldini or Baresi to emerge.
Posted by: acid911 Nov 4 2008, 03:37 PM
Unless they do really emerge: As in Christian Maldini and Danial Maldini.
Does Baresi also have a son or two? I think that's the only way for him to play youth. That, or like you said, unless their name is Pato.
Posted by: han2503 Nov 4 2008, 04:12 PM
Does Baresi also have a son or two? I think that's the only way for him to play youth. That, or like you said, unless their name is Pato.Carlo will be long gone by the time either one of Paolo's 2 sons make the first team so they don't really count. I'm talking about the youth that doesn't have Maldini as a last name
Posted by: zdrossoneri Nov 4 2008, 04:27 PM
Of course. winning a Cl is always nice. but winning it at Santiago Bernabeu? that'd be a special feeling, at least for me.
If Antonini made it, along with Borriello and Pato, then the reason must be in their game .. They have the talent, that we cant question, but it is how they interpret the tactical aspect of the team that they must lack in.
Of course they can't compete with our midfielders for a starting spot. but I still can't understand why they weren't even included in our UEFA list because I'm not sure Carlo knew their real worth when he was selecting his squad for UEFA cup... they had just signed for Milan and IIRC, Carlo and Galliani said some good things about them!
Had they been included in our UEFA list there would have been plenty of chances to examine their level in real circumstances. for example, against Zurich and Heerenveen we were leading the last 20-30 minutes by 3 goals. that means victory were guaranteed in both games. those last minutes could have been the best chance to bring them on and see how capable they actually are.
I hope we loan/sell them in January. I personally don't like to see youngsters' careers being damaged like this. at this age, they need to play regularly more than anything. there's no question about that.
I said I'd expect nothing from them upon their signing...
Posted by: acid911 Nov 4 2008, 04:57 PM
Exactly like Dario Simic's career that was recently ruined.
He retired from Croatia NT some times back with exactly a 100 caps and aged slightly over 32. Do you know how much he'd have covered for Nesta right now. But no, we just had to ruin it all, both for him and us. Just makes me sad to see such a player go. Why?!
Posted by: Tennie Nov 4 2008, 05:06 PM
I'm not quite as pessimistic as some seem to be about the futures/game time/etc of the kids. Am willing to wait and see.
That said, today's training has taken place. Kaladze and Senderos took part in the full training session. There was an 8 v 8 practice game and the following players all scored in the practice game: Shevchenko, Kaka, Inzaghi, Pato, and Seedorf.
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Nov 4 2008, 05:26 PM
I said I'd expect nothing from them upon their signing...
Should Jan come around and they would continue to get no playing time in any competitions - I would also like them to go out on loan, possibly to another Serie A team.
Posted by: Tennie Nov 5 2008, 06:05 PM
MILANELLO - Ecco i 19 convocati di Carlo Ancelotti per domani:
Dida, Kalac,
Antonini, Bonera, Darmian, Jankulovski, Kaladze, Senderos, Ruggeri (n.55),
Emerson, Flamini, Gattuso, Pedrocchi (n.51),
Borriello, Inzaghi, Pato, Seedorf, Shevchenko, Ronaldinho.
Non convocati: Abbiati, Favalli, Maldini, Pasini, Zambrotta, Ambrosini, Kakà.
Indisponibili: Pirlo.
Interesting call up list.
Here's my (probably completely wrong) guess at a starting lineup:
Dida
Antonini Senderos Kaladze Janku
Emerson Flamini Seedorf
Ronaldinho
Shevcheno Inzaghi
(Fishdoll bets han a cookie that at least 1 of the 3 kiddies gets on the pitch at some point during this game).
Posted by: Tennie Nov 5 2008, 06:08 PM
Here's Carletto's pregame press conference (translation by the lovely folks at acmilan.com's english page):
ON SPORTING BRAGA
"Sporting Braga are a team we respect a lot. We saw them against Portsmouth and in the Portuguese league. They're a fast team, dynamic, they play at a high rhythm for the whole game. These are all characteristics we have to take into account.
Braga are a complete team, they run a lot and they have quality players."
ON THE FORMATION WHICH WILL PLAY TOMORROW
"Certainly we will rest some players ahead of Sunday's league game. Tomorrow's game won't be decisive because we still have two other games in this group, so we will be able to do turn-over.
We will certainly be without Zambrotta and Kaká, who will rest and won't be called up, while all the others will be called up and then we will decide which formation to use. Kaká has been away with the national team, he needs to work for a week so he gets more energy even though he is doing well.
Concerning the defence, Senderos and Kaladze will play in the middle, Antonini on the right, and Jankulovski on the left. Nesta and Pirlo remain unavailable.
The Uefa Cup is a competition we care about. We started the group well and a victory tomorrow could increase our chances of qualification, we want to try to win to get in a good position in the group, concerning the league, however, it's an entirely different matter."
ON THE LEAGUE
"The team is in a good moment now, from now on we want to keep the top position in the league, we can't relax.
We are happy to be on top of the table, the difficulties will come now because our objective was to be here 7 months from now, we can't do better than this, we can only do worse, now the preoccupations begin."
ON THE CONDITIONS OF THE SINGULAR PLAYERS
"Concerning the conditions of Nesta, we have decided to let him go away for a while to cure his back problem definitively. There has been some progress, in fact he was available for one game where he went on the bench, but then during training his problems reemerged.
Pirlo is starting to work with more intensity, I think that within the next fifteen days he should be available.
Ronaldinho? The facts say he is more decisive at San Siro than away from home, but I think that's because he's still trying to understand what Italian football is like. Tomorrow he will be available, at the moment I think he needs to play to find more consistency, but I'm not sure if he'll play from the start. I think he's on the right track to get back to his best condition, when he arrived his condition was precarious, he's been working a lot and he has already reached an acceptable condition. We have to be happy with what we've seen so far.
I'm sure Shevchenko will return, until now he hasn't had many chances, he's working very well, with effort and I think he will soon be a protagonist again, hopefully already tomorrow."
ON HIS SEVEN YEARS ON MILAN'S BENCH
"Today I thought about the first day I came to Milanello, a special day, I didn't think I would be here seven years later, after having experienced many great moments, with a lot of success. There's always been a harmony with the group, with the players who have arrived and those who have left, harmony with the club, a very sustained relationship which has consolidated with time.
The thing that impressed me was the moment when I came into the coach's room, it was a bit intimidating to sleep in the same place as Rocco, Sacchi, Capello.
This is not the moment to talk about the renewal of my contract which expires in a year and a half, if the will is there then at the right time it will be done, but at the moment there is no need to do that."
ON MEMORIES AGAINST PORTUGUESE TEAMS
"For me Benfica is the ultimate Portuguese team, I remember an important game in '83 with Eriksson and the '90 final again with Eriksson. Also Benfica had one of the best players ever, Eusebio, and there's also Rui Costa, who is now a manager there after having played there."
ON INTER'S RESULTS
"They are a very solid team, very efficient up front and with some unbalancedness behind. There can be periods with inconsistent results which can come because of the new coach's philosophy. Sunday against Udinese they have a difficult match, because they will meet an in-form side.
Mourinho? It's very difficult to make a difference as a coach in Italian football because the team of Italian coaches is very strong and well-prepared. He is a well-prepared person, but to make the difference you need time."
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Nov 5 2008, 06:14 PM
kaka not being called is a very gud decison i hope for pato/r80-sheva-pippo
Posted by: Habitant Nov 5 2008, 06:37 PM
What a joke...
+1
Posted by: zdrossoneri Nov 5 2008, 07:19 PM
That'd be really, really interesting (
)So... no Kaka, no Dinho (from the start)... I hope that means Pato will start. Sheva is certain to play. that mean it could be either Pato-Sheva, or Pato behind Sheva-Pippo.
Posted by: han2503 Nov 5 2008, 07:57 PM
Is fishdoll including Pato in this because I don't think he should count. I'm pretty certain he'll play tomorrow. If I see either Darmian or either one of the primavera kids at some point in the game I'll be very happy
+1
)So... no Kaka, no Dinho (from the start)... I hope that means Pato will start. Sheva is certain to play. that mean it could be either Pato-Sheva, or Pato behind Sheva-Pippo.
Would really like to see that one
Posted by: Tennie Nov 5 2008, 08:05 PM
Fishdoll is only counting current or former Primavera players under the age of 22 for this, han.
Posted by: han2503 Nov 5 2008, 08:23 PM
Then Fishdoll has a deal
Posted by: Il Diavolo Nov 5 2008, 09:47 PM
Senderos? That's a miracle.
Posted by: MizNelson Nov 6 2008, 02:50 AM
I don't think Senderos should be starting after having been on the shelf since the day we signed him.
The latest crackerjack reporting from Goal.com, from their match preview:
Posted by: Tennie Nov 6 2008, 03:19 AM
So a Slovak team plays in the Portuguese liga. Who knew?!?!
Posted by: MizNelson Nov 6 2008, 04:03 AM
Maybe it's some Portuslovakian league we don't know about.
Posted by: zdrossoneri Nov 6 2008, 10:15 AM
02/10 (Portuguese Liga): Artmedia 0-2 Braga
...
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Nov 6 2008, 01:05 PM
goal.com does it again
Posted by: zdrossoneri Nov 6 2008, 01:25 PM
(Has anyone mentioned there's no 'minute by minute' on acmilan.com anymore?)
Posted by: Tennie Nov 6 2008, 01:34 PM
Yes there is. Or at least there was for the Napoli game. They've stopped the radio commentary though.
Here, for what it's worth, is calciomercato's probable starting lineup:
MILAN (4-3-3): Dida; Antonini, Senderos, Kaladze, Jankulovski; Gattuso, Emerson, Flamini; Shevchenko, Inzaghi, Pato
Posted by: arivanjj Nov 6 2008, 01:56 PM
hehehe.. 3 defensive mids behind 3 forwards
Posted by: acid911 Nov 6 2008, 01:59 PM
Well Gattuso, Emerson and Flamini are pretty famous for their creative passes, so!
Posted by: arivanjj Nov 6 2008, 02:04 PM
Well Gattuso, Emerson and Flamini are pretty famous for their creative passes, so!Gattuso thinks 3 times before he makes a straight pass
Posted by: Tennie Nov 6 2008, 02:06 PM
Maybe he'll borrow Pirlo's brain again. Rino has shown flashes of...really good passing in the last couple of games.
Posted by: arivanjj Nov 6 2008, 02:09 PM
maybe he has.. but really when he rages the field like he has been
.. it's hard to notice his passing.
Posted by: Il Diavolo Nov 6 2008, 03:21 PM
Well, it's still better than goal.com's suggestion with no Sheva or Pato.
Posted by: MizNelson Nov 6 2008, 03:50 PM
LET'S GO DIDA!!!!
*crickets chirp*
*embarrassed, the pirate's main squeeze slinks away*
(P.S. The fishdoll made me do it.)
Posted by: acid911 Nov 6 2008, 04:16 PM
I'm not usually a murderer, but boy would I kill to see Dida make one of his special saves? Like the impossible one he pulled off in the last match. Pity not many people noticed that. Anyway: Forza Dida!
Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2008, 04:28 PM
... Here, for what it's worth, is calciomercato's probable starting lineup:
MILAN (4-3-3): Dida; Antonini, Senderos, Kaladze, Jankulovski; Gattuso, Emerson, Flamini; Shevchenko, Inzaghi, Pato
Not too happy about that midfield but Seedorf needs a rest so I'm sood with it. I'll expect Sheva and Pato to both drop deep
Posted by: acid911 Nov 6 2008, 04:46 PM
Oh, my! How on earth did you misspell s with g?
With the keys being so apart on the keyboard? That's got to be the most catastrophic English language mistake you've ever made! Joking, han! Joking.On a serious note, though, yeah, the more players we can rest for the next game, the better. I want them thar 3 points, maties. And inter to draw (or lose) with Udinese (they're really in form).
This way we can increase our lead.
Posted by: acid911 Nov 6 2008, 04:53 PM
I'd actually have gone with this. Provided Ronaldinho can play the full match:
-------------------Dida-------------------
- Antonini - Kaladze - Senderos - Jankulovski
------------Emerson - Gattuso -------------
------------Flamini - Ronaldinho-----------
-------------Sheva ---- Pato---------------
Posted by: jefri91 Nov 6 2008, 05:20 PM
were going to lose 0-1
Posted by: acid911 Nov 6 2008, 05:24 PM
Thank you.
Posted by: Tennie Nov 6 2008, 05:25 PM
JEFRI! Nice to see you back and so endlessly optomistic. 
Gotta say that the projected lineup is a little...not necessarily confidence building. Hopefully one of the mids will steal Pirlo's brain and produce some creativity OR perhaps we'll find out that one of the strikers is secretly a world class trequartista.
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Nov 6 2008, 05:55 PM
The latest crackerjack reporting from Goal.com, from their match preview:
Senderos played in a friendly for us this season...
Posted by: aLbErTo Nov 6 2008, 06:06 PM
i think today kalac could defend...so my proposition is
antonini - bonera - kaladze - jankulovski
emerson - seedorf - flamini
pato - ronaldinho
shevchenko
Posted by: Warchant Nov 6 2008, 06:07 PM
Jesus is not underestimating the task facing his side in Italy, believing the Rossoneri are one of the favourites to win the competition.
However, he has not given up hope that they can cause an upset against the Serie A leaders - and for good reason.
"We have won all seven of our matches in Europe this season, scored 17 goals and not conceded,'' said Jesus.
"I would say they (Milan) are probably one of the favourites to win the tournament, and that's the enormity of our task.
"We have beaten a very good team like Portsmouth 3-0 in our opening group game.''
Braga have won their three away games in Europe this season by a 2-0 margin, something which will give coach Carlo Ancelotti something to consider going into the encounter.
Milan are overwhelming favourites to win Group E and sent a warning of their intentions with a 3-1 triumph at Heerenveen in their first group encounter.
The Italian side go into the game in buoyant mood after clinching top spot in the domestic standings for the first time in four years following their 1-0 weekend triumph over Napoli.
"Finally after four years of suffering we have made it,'' said Milan midfielder Clarence Seedorf.
"It's an enormous satisfaction.
"We are being consistent with our results, we are competitive and we are showing what a great team we are.
"We must continue to do well.''
The Rossoneri have reason to be confident having avoided defeat since their 2-0 loss at Genoa on September 14.
Andriy Shevchenko will partner Filippo Inzaghi in Milan's attacking line while the Portuguese outfit welcome back Cesar Peixoto, who missed his team's last three games through injury.
Moreover, midfielder Luis Aguiar has recovered from an ankle problem sustained in Sunday's 1-1 draw at Academica.
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Nov 6 2008, 06:07 PM
We've got an emoticon for that!
Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2008, 06:25 PM
With the keys being so apart on the keyboard? That's got to be the most catastrophic English language mistake you've ever made! Joking, han! Joking.On a serious note, though, yeah, the more players we can rest for the next game, the better. I want them thar 3 points, maties. And inter to draw (or lose) with Udinese (they're really in form).
This way we can increase our lead.Who gave you the right to be the grammer police on the forum??
I must have used my index finger instead of the 4th finger, that's why I got the s instead of the g.
And they're no THAT far apart. The g is only 2 keys away from the s.
Gotta say that the projected lineup is a little...not necessarily confidence building. Hopefully one of the mids will steal Pirlo's brain and produce some creativity OR perhaps we'll find out that one of the strikers is secretly a world class trequartista.
Well Sheva has played that position for the Ukraine on many occasions and I'm sure Pato won't have any problems playing there
Posted by: acid911 Nov 6 2008, 06:34 PM
Somebody's got to do the dirty work of upholding the tradition of the English language, Han.
And besides, it's grammar, at least that's the way I've been taught in police school. And since your pirate friend's away, there's no one to save you this time! Muahahaha! *immitates evil laugh*
And they're no THAT far apart. The g is only 2 keys away from the s.
I appreciate you taking time out to make up a believe able story?
And oh, they've very far apart: In the land of keyboards being 2 keys away can be deadly, if not lethal.Ditto.
In fact, I've seen him create dozens of chances for his teammates playing in that position for his NT. But reading the article Warchant posted above, I get a sinking feeling this match won't be a walk in the park (as most matches haven't been for us, recently, bar the friendlies). We'll need to work hard today.
Posted by: vahid Nov 6 2008, 06:57 PM
Sorry but fishdoll is "he" or "she"?
Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2008, 06:59 PM
And besides, it's grammar, at least that's the way I've been taught in police school. And since your pirate friend's away, there's no one to save you this time! Muahahaha! *immitates evil laugh*
Was wondering if you would notice the grammer mistake, see if I could p!ss you off some since you're so @n@l when it comes to spelling mistakes.
And oh, they've very far apart: In the land of keyboards being 2 keys away can be deadly, if not lethal.Still it's not like I wrote loot, instead of good. And thankyou for recognising the fact that I took time out of my busy life to make up a story about my keyboard mishaps
In fact, I've seen him create dozens of chances for his teammates playing in that position for his NT. But reading the article Warchant posted above, I get a sinking feeling this match won't be a walk in the park (as most matches haven't been for us, recently, bar the friendlies). We'll need to work hard today.I don't think it will be a particulary hard match, they will try to attack because they are that kind of team, and with Sheva and Pato who both like to roam around find space and take shots, and Pippo up there putting in the deflections. I'm personally more worried about the defence. They will try to attack and with both Kaladze and Senderos trying to get back the feel of things after their injuries, especially Senderos who will still be trying to integrate into the team, I can see it becoming a tough evening for our defence
Posted by: acid911 Nov 6 2008, 07:04 PM
He.
Thank you! I always notice. You're welcome!After last season's double losses to Atlanta and friends, I like to believe there is no easy match for this Milan team. Maybe sometimes down the future, when we've got a new generation of players, but not now.
That's my motto!
Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2008, 07:21 PM
That's my motto!I personally think it won't be that hard because of the type of team Braga are, they like to attack, like most Portugese teams, they play the type of game Milan trive in. We struggle against sides who really know how to close up all our spaces and Braga are certainly not that type of team. Pato will be the one that's probably most comfortable in the situation since he's so fast and knows how to exploit spaces so well.
And no disrespect to Braga but Atalanta are twice the team they are.
Posted by: acid911 Nov 6 2008, 07:32 PM
Hopefully Pato doesn't decide on turning a simple kick shot into a header and miss it again.
On the replay I watched, the last miss against Napoli could easily have been turned into a very easy kick.
Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2008, 08:22 PM
On the replay I watched, the last miss against Napoli could easily have been turned into a very easy kick.Well at that moment I couldn't imagine it to be as simple as that, in hindshight when you think about it he shouldn't have gone for the much more difficuilt diving header and made a simple tap in. Luckily for us we still ended up winning and it was a harmless miss
Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2008, 08:24 PM
11/6/2008
MILAN: Dida; Antonini, Senderos, kaladze, Jankulovski; Gattuso, Emerson, Flamini; Shevchenko, Inzaghi, Pato.
SPORTING BRAGA: Eduardo; Frechaut, Moises, Rodriguez, Evaldo; Vadinho, Alan, Cesar Peixoto, Luis Aguiar; Renteria, Meyong.
Love the 3 striker system. I think they will work well together
Posted by: Mook Nov 6 2008, 08:31 PM
Sheva. 
Posted by: acid911 Nov 6 2008, 08:32 PM
Exactly.
And the same goes for Kaka's miss. Luckily, him being our best player, not many can point fingers at him for missing such a vital one. I'd probably like for Ronaldinho to take some of the penalties and share the burden from Ricky. If you've got to hit them straight, hit them hard so the keeper can't react fast enough. That's my motto! And no, han my friend, you can't make me police you for these grammar mistakes. No you can't make me! Got. To. Ignore! Gotta be strong! Can't hold on much longer!
Urgh!Shouldn't take long to find out.
Match starts in 15 minutes flat! Forza our three striker system!
Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2008, 08:41 PM
Urgh!Come on, Correct me!!!!
Posted by: Tennie Nov 6 2008, 08:43 PM
I'm surprised at the interest in Fishdoll's gender but yes. Fishdoll is a BOY.
This is a wacky lineup today; I'm curious to see how they do.
(One early score of note: Spartak Moscow 1 - 2 Udinese - Quagliarella got both goals).
Posted by: armiss Nov 6 2008, 08:43 PM
Hey Senderos We'll Watching You BOY
Posted by: Tennie Nov 6 2008, 08:44 PM
han, are you sure you want to go there? If acid gets tired of it, I could give it a go. I used to be an English teacher.
Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2008, 08:44 PM
Why are we playing with the white kit?
Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2008, 08:45 PM
Com on Teny corect meeeee
Posted by: Tennie Nov 6 2008, 08:46 PM
Aha. Now I see how it is.
(zd, do you have any, er, particularly naughty smilies with black leather and chains?)
Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2008, 08:49 PM
I'm challenging you Teny
Pato with a strong run, corner
Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2008, 08:51 PM
Ohh Sheva great shot. Runs from the middle of the pitch just wide
Posted by: Tennie Nov 6 2008, 08:52 PM
Perhaps later, han.
I don't get kinky in match threads when I'm at work.
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Nov 6 2008, 08:53 PM
Beautiful header attempt by Inzaghi - unlucky not to go in!
Terrible Marking (and pace) by Senderos just minutes later. 
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Nov 6 2008, 08:53 PM
Beautiful header attempt by Inzaghi - unlucky not to go in!
Terrible Marking (and pace) by Senderos just minutes later.
Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2008, 08:53 PM
Oh great chance there for Braga, Senderos was turned easily there
Posted by: rhy_A4 Nov 6 2008, 08:58 PM
For anyone that cant get a stream up and is frantically trying to find one heres the radio version in english link :
http://media.esperia.com/milan_eng
Posted by: m1ke Nov 6 2008, 08:59 PM
That was text-book Senderos...
Posted by: Tennie Nov 6 2008, 09:00 PM
I'm afraid to ask, mike. What'd he do this time?
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Nov 6 2008, 09:01 PM
Lovely skill by Gattuso to keep the ball away from his opponent
Posted by: zdrossoneri Nov 6 2008, 09:06 PM
what is Ant doing tonight!
Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2008, 09:07 PM
Looking a bit rusty so far
Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2008, 09:09 PM
Sheva manhandled there
Posted by: acid911 Nov 6 2008, 09:09 PM
If you're thinking that speaking dialogues right out of 'The Dark Knight', will make me hit you, you're wrong buddy. Or as Jack would say, dead wrong.
I've got Wills of Iron, baby!Let's make life difficult for both our pirate friends.
My sources just told me you used to be a pirate yourself, han, as a part time job.Can't wait to see him in his first official match.
Rino's officially back, friends and neighbots.
About time too.
Posted by: acid911 Nov 6 2008, 09:11 PM
http://media.esperia.com/milan_eng
This one's working rather dandy for me:
http://tvu://65217
Posted by: acid911 Nov 6 2008, 09:12 PM
20 minutes to the first half. 
Still 0-0.
Posted by: zdrossoneri Nov 6 2008, 09:15 PM
what a save!
Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2008, 09:16 PM
Ohh what a save by Dida
Senderos looking really slow
Posted by: acid911 Nov 6 2008, 09:17 PM
SUPER SAVE BY DIDA!
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Nov 6 2008, 09:18 PM
Nice Movement and shot by Sheva!
Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2008, 09:18 PM
Oh Sheva, great turn, speed and a powerful shot from more then 30 yards out. Just over
Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2008, 09:19 PM
The second half should see Seedorf coming in for Puma, we need someone that can control the tempo and spread the ball.
Posted by: armiss Nov 6 2008, 09:21 PM
Dida
Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2008, 09:21 PM
Oh Dida almost with a major blunder!!!
Just passes the ball to their striker
Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2008, 09:24 PM
Oh almost a perfect pass to Pippo from Rino, just slightly over-hit
Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2008, 09:25 PM
They're cutting in through our defence way to easily
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Nov 6 2008, 09:27 PM
What a cross from Sheva to Pippo!
Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2008, 09:27 PM
OHHH!! What a chance for Pippo, Sheva with a Beckham like cross, perfectly placed on Pippo's head, but he heads it into the ground and it bounces out wide
Posted by: zdrossoneri Nov 6 2008, 09:28 PM
Just passes the ball to their striker
That's Dida post-flare incident for you... inconsistent. makes an amazing save, ten minutes later almost assists the opponent.
Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2008, 09:31 PM
This Alan kid or however you spell his name looks really great for Braga causing us all sorts of problems
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Nov 6 2008, 09:32 PM
HT : 0-0
Posted by: zdrossoneri Nov 6 2008, 09:32 PM
HT 0-0
Crap! we need to change something!
Posted by: vahid Nov 6 2008, 09:34 PM
Crap! we need to change something!
Maybe we can change Carletto
Posted by: acid911 Nov 6 2008, 09:39 PM
Posted by: MizNelson Nov 6 2008, 09:43 PM
Hi.
Posted by: zdrossoneri Nov 6 2008, 09:43 PM
Carlo, with more ordinary players, is incapable of winning anything. I agree with Kurt on that. he's a successful coach only because he's always had great players at his disposal. last season we lacked quality players most of the season and look where we're playing now, UEFA Cup
I doubt if any other good coach would have done worse than Carlo has with all these quality players this season.
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Nov 6 2008, 09:45 PM
Lippi going over his tactics in the stands!
Posted by: acid911 Nov 6 2008, 09:45 PM
Hello.
Posted by: vahid Nov 6 2008, 09:46 PM
FT Wolfsburg [5 - 1] SC Heerenveen
Posted by: MizNelson Nov 6 2008, 09:47 PM
Just got in a short while ago...from what I've heard, pretty boring game so far? That and correcting other people's grammar.
Posted by: acid911 Nov 6 2008, 09:48 PM
Kalac coming out after the break, looking pretty cross. Can't blame him!
Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2008, 09:48 PM
Woosh!!!
They did better then us against them.
Posted by: MizNelson Nov 6 2008, 09:50 PM
Can't blame him!Posted by: acid911 Nov 6 2008, 09:50 PM
Right on, on both counts.
Weak game, and weak grammar all around.
Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2008, 09:50 PM
Can't blame him!It's his own fault, he had the number 1 shirt in his grasp but lost it through his own doing
Posted by: zdrossoneri Nov 6 2008, 09:50 PM
Sheva trying to shoot from everywhere!
Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2008, 09:51 PM
Sheva looking great, great turn, powerful shot again just wide from a tight angle
Posted by: acid911 Nov 6 2008, 09:51 PM
Coming out of the locker room, of course.
He's the backup keeper in this match. Anyway, looks pretty serious, like he means business. Boy, I'd hate to be Dida and go and meet him.
Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2008, 09:52 PM
Weak game, and weak grammar all around.Shut up!!
Posted by: acid911 Nov 6 2008, 09:53 PM
Ouch. Sanderos karate kicks the opposition player. Back to the Stam-ways, are we?
Posted by: MizNelson Nov 6 2008, 09:53 PM
Don't tell acid to shut up, or I'll deck you myself.
Posted by: zdrossoneri Nov 6 2008, 09:54 PM
Pato can't dribble tonight, apparently. I wish he was playing as a striker tonight, being served by Kaka or Dinho
Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2008, 09:54 PM
This is between me and acid! Fangirl!!
Posted by: zdrossoneri Nov 6 2008, 09:54 PM
Dinho warming up. I bet he'll replace Pato
Posted by: MizNelson Nov 6 2008, 09:55 PM
That's Miss Fangirl to you, pencil neck.
Posted by: acid911 Nov 6 2008, 09:56 PM
Anyway, Sheva with another stupid shot from 100 miles out. Just between you and me guys, I'd have expected some more display of creativity from Flamini himself. Or maybe even a goal. Is it too much to expect.Bring me Ronaldinho, Carlo.
Gaucho Power!
Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2008, 09:56 PM
Him and Sheva are mostly stranded out there on the wings, mostly it's because of the midfield that can't even give them a decent ball to play. Both are having to come down to the center circle, pick the ball up and try to create somthing out of nothing.
Personally would like Carlo to take Pippo off for Dinho and Seedorf for Puma
Posted by: MizNelson Nov 6 2008, 09:58 PM
HE and Sheva.
Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2008, 09:59 PM
Who are you? Ross from friends? "It's not who, it's whom"
Posted by: MizNelson Nov 6 2008, 10:00 PM
LOL! No, but to me bad grammar and spelling are like nails on a chalkboard. Look upon me and fear.
Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2008, 10:01 PM
Come on Carlo, throw Clarence in there!!!!
Posted by: MizNelson Nov 6 2008, 10:01 PM
Seedorf warming up, waving at the crowd in the process. Nice.
Posted by: armiss Nov 6 2008, 10:01 PM
Flamini simply killed that guy
Posted by: zdrossoneri Nov 6 2008, 10:01 PM
Personally would like Carlo to take Pippo off for Dinho and Seedorf for Puma
Yeah.
I don't know what's in Carlo's mind. he rests Kaka and Dinho and make us play with no trequartistas. and worse than that makes Pato and Sheva (!) playing wide, as wingers. it's obvious we can't have better possession behind their penalty area and create decent chances... that vaccum needs to be filled asap. master mind Carlo
Posted by: acid911 Nov 6 2008, 10:02 PM
Yawn! What are we, again, AC Lackluster? Were we playing our full strength squad, we'd have been 2-0 up by now, if not more. Why does Carlo chooses so many DMs. And what, is it written in some book that you can't bring Ronaldinho out before the 60th minute? Sometimes, he's just too much with his choices!
Posted by: zdrossoneri Nov 6 2008, 10:02 PM
Exactly!!
Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2008, 10:03 PM
I don't really take notice of it on the internet, especially forums. Usually I come on make a quick post and log out, especially when I'm at school. So I don't really check for grammar errors.
Btw, how boring is this game? We're actually talking about grammar mistakes during the match...
Posted by: zdrossoneri Nov 6 2008, 10:04 PM
Senderos looking better.
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Nov 6 2008, 10:04 PM
Good Sliding Tackles by Senderos!!
Posted by: acid911 Nov 6 2008, 10:04 PM
For the future of good grammar and composition!
Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2008, 10:04 PM
Wow what a tackle there from Senderos. Amazing from the big guy
Posted by: acid911 Nov 6 2008, 10:05 PM
Took a page right out of Paolo Maldini's book!
Great pair of tackles!
Posted by: armiss Nov 6 2008, 10:06 PM
Senderos Good
Posted by: MizNelson Nov 6 2008, 10:06 PM
Other than that, is ANYTHING happening in this half?
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Nov 6 2008, 10:07 PM
Dinho on for Pato!
Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2008, 10:08 PM
Not really we've finally managed to get our 3rd corner
Dinho for Pato!!!
Carlo!!! 
Why not Pippo, he's really lagging out there
Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2008, 10:09 PM
Wow, Sednderos really putting in the clean tackles and interceptions
Posted by: MizNelson Nov 6 2008, 10:10 PM
So Carlo takes out Pato and leaves Pippo in? Eh, that might rank up there with New Coke.
Posted by: zdrossoneri Nov 6 2008, 10:10 PM
Didn't I say?
Am I too smart or Carlo is too predictable?
yeah, I guess the latter! A great coach must be unpredictable and Carlo is not.
Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2008, 10:12 PM
What I've been saying in the players thread. Carlo would much rather play Pippo week in week out. He only plays Pato because he's pressurised to do so. Simple as that
Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2008, 10:13 PM
Puma finally off, Seedorf on
Posted by: MizNelson Nov 6 2008, 10:13 PM
Guess it would've made too much sense to have Pato and Dinho on the pitch simultaneously, since they know each other and could've jelled together on the pitch. Jiminy Christmas.
Posted by: acid911 Nov 6 2008, 10:13 PM
I'm joking, of course, when I take swipes at you.
As long as it's understandable, it works. Anyway, your posts are perfect, except a mistake here and there once in a while. Same with me.Yeah.
You can say that again!
Posted by: zdrossoneri Nov 6 2008, 10:16 PM
And he plays him where there's less chance of him to shine (I guess wrong grammar
). as a F winger! to make him look useless! Pato must be what he was in Internacional. a striker
Posted by: acid911 Nov 6 2008, 10:16 PM
I want a win! 
To keep our winning streak going!
Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2008, 10:17 PM
As long as it's understandable, it works. Anyway, your posts are perfect, except a mistake here and there once in a while. Same with me.I know acid
Just explaining to miz that spelling mistakes on forums can't really be taken all the seriously since no one really cares that much when posting.
I've read posts where all the Ss turn into Zs and anywhere there should be an ou it turns into a simple u.
Posted by: MizNelson Nov 6 2008, 10:17 PM
Jesus, are we going to score an [expletive] goal or not?
Posted by: zdrossoneri Nov 6 2008, 10:18 PM
I won't waste any more bandwidth for this game. it's boring.
Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2008, 10:19 PM
). as a F winger! to make him look useless! Pato must be what he was in Internacional. a striker Sometimes I just don't understand Carlo, he used to pull this same type of sh!t for Yoann also. Either playing him in high pressure games in the CL knock outs almost waiting for him to choke. Or he plays him in the Coppa with the primavera's.
Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2008, 10:20 PM
I smell the draw coming from a mile away, we're never going to score playing like this
Posted by: zdrossoneri Nov 6 2008, 10:20 PM
OMG Seedorf did a Maradona there!
Posted by: Tennie Nov 6 2008, 10:20 PM
Has anyone who's currently enjoying the pillorying of our coach recalled that we've got a league game on the weekend, that key players (ie, Kaka who wasn't even called up) are deliberately being rested for said league game, and that the scudetto is the team's stated priority this season? Nobody should be surprised that we started a funny looking team with no trequartistas.
Posted by: MizNelson Nov 6 2008, 10:20 PM
We can't even beat a midtable Portuguese team, for God's sake. Not with Pippo and Sheva not being able to hit the broad side of a barn.
Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2008, 10:24 PM
I had no problem with resting Seedorf and Dinho. But why put them in after more then 60 minutes have gone? He should have made the changes at half time. Now there isn't enough time for them to make such a difference.
Also playing Sheva and Pato out wide instead of one of them dropping deep was another big mistake, we had something like 30 yards between out midfield and attack. It was never going to work
Posted by: zdrossoneri Nov 6 2008, 10:26 PM
Carlo should have at least put Pato behind Sheva-Pippo. and if result didn't matter we might have as well fielded a weaker team.
I think this:
Pippo ------ Sheva
-------Pato
makes more sense than this:
-------------- Pippo ----------------
Pato ------------------------- Sheva
--------------- ???? -----------------
Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2008, 10:27 PM
To be fair it's not their fault, both Sheva and Pato were reduced to shooting from miles wide out from their wings, that's how retarded the tactics were, Pippo had the only clearcut chance out there but it was wasted.
This one falls down to Carlo, who doesn't know how to play a system that isn't his usual one (4-3-1-2/4-3-2-1). He's not flexible and that is why we suffer so much when we have to rotate the team.
Just as I'm typing this Braga very, very, very unlucky not to score
Posted by: zdrossoneri Nov 6 2008, 10:28 PM
Have I ever said your use of English is sometimes too hard for me to understand?
Posted by: Habitant Nov 6 2008, 10:30 PM
lol it's an expression buddy, not expected to understand it if you've never herd it before.
Posted by: MizNelson Nov 6 2008, 10:31 PM
It's a way of saying their aim has been off today.
As Yanks, we rightfully take the blame for making up these silly homilies over time and screwing up the English language in the process.
Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2008, 10:31 PM
OHH!!
Sheva cuts the ball across an empty goal. But Pippo cannot reach it. Great ball from Seedorf and a strong run from Sheva to reach the ball
Posted by: MizNelson Nov 6 2008, 10:34 PM
I have a feeling if I were at the San Siro, I'd want my money back.
Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2008, 10:36 PM
GOOAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLL
Posted by: MizNelson Nov 6 2008, 10:36 PM
Yeah, who?
Posted by: rhy_A4 Nov 6 2008, 10:37 PM
DINHO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: arivanjj Nov 6 2008, 10:37 PM
wat a fantastic goal...
he's done it again
Posted by: MizNelson Nov 6 2008, 10:37 PM
Good, I'll feel MUCH better going home with all three points. About time we snapped out of our comatose state.
Posted by: Tennie Nov 6 2008, 10:37 PM
Was it worth waiting 93 minutes for?
Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2008, 10:37 PM
WHAT A SHOT!!!!
AMAZING FROM DINHO!!!
Posted by: Mook Nov 6 2008, 10:38 PM
DINHO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: acid911 Nov 6 2008, 10:38 PM
RONALDINHO!!!
Posted by: armiss Nov 6 2008, 10:38 PM
Forza Milan
Posted by: vahid Nov 6 2008, 10:38 PM
Another 3 points by Dinho
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Nov 6 2008, 10:38 PM
FORZA RONALDINHO!!!!
Amazing Goal !!!!
Posted by: Habitant Nov 6 2008, 10:39 PM
any links ? 
Posted by: Tennie Nov 6 2008, 10:39 PM
And Fishdoll is worried about Pirlo and whether he's got a brain left. ANOTHER Gattuso assist?!?!?!
Posted by: armiss Nov 6 2008, 10:39 PM
Exactly on last minute !
Posted by: MizNelson Nov 6 2008, 10:39 PM
Were we even tested at all on our end in the second half?
Posted by: zdrossoneri Nov 6 2008, 10:41 PM
WHAT A GOAL!
Once again a classy player spares Carlo's blushes after he got all the tactics wrong. tomorrow he'll be labeled a master tactician for bringing Dinho on this man is so lucky
I know. I wonder where all these expressions come from! there's no end to them.
Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2008, 10:41 PM
Sheva goes out to the left with the ball, crosses it to the middle of the edge of the bos, Rino is there, plus 2 Braga players, they get in eachother's way and the ball runs through them, Rino wins it, controls it, lays it off to Dinho who is waiting for it. As soon as the ball reaches him, he samshes it into the top left hand corner of the net. Simply class
Posted by: m1ke Nov 6 2008, 10:41 PM
NOOOO my stream died in the 92nd minute after I'd sat there watching the whole game - and I missed the goal! Links to the goal would be appreciated
Posted by: arivanjj Nov 6 2008, 10:41 PM
!
Posted by: zdrossoneri Nov 6 2008, 10:42 PM
YES, YES!!
Posted by: arivanjj Nov 6 2008, 10:42 PM
hahaha that must've sucked!
Posted by: MizNelson Nov 6 2008, 10:43 PM
Didafan is upset that Fishdoll didn't reply to her post earlier this morning.
Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2008, 10:45 PM
How many points does that count up till now thanks to Dinho winners?
It was a simple layoff this time Tennie. Let's not go that far Once where we were SOOO lucky not to conceed. The commentators were practically screaming goal, it was so close to going in
So you set through the bore fest only to end up missing the only positive thing we did in the match?
I feel really sorry for you mike.
Hopefully ari will find us a link quick
Posted by: MizNelson Nov 6 2008, 10:46 PM
Please, Dinho's goal will be up on YouTube in mere hours.
Posted by: YoungGun Nov 6 2008, 10:46 PM
How do you guys rate Sheva this match?
Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2008, 10:46 PM
Don't go acting all innocent there zd when you've been cursing Carlo left and right. Me on the other hand, I've always believed that Carlo's genius would pull us through no matter what
Posted by: arivanjj Nov 6 2008, 10:49 PM
http://rapidshare.com/files/161315844/Milan-Braga_1-0_Ronaldinho.avi
Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2008, 10:49 PM
7.5
One of the only few who worked their @sses off and was involved in practically all the build up for the chances we managed to create. Also was involved with the goal.
Looking like he's regaining his feet and mostly some of his pace
Posted by: Habitant Nov 6 2008, 10:50 PM
legend
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Nov 6 2008, 10:51 PM
thanks man
missed the game how was our overall perrformance guys
Posted by: vahid Nov 6 2008, 10:52 PM
I think it was the third
(Inter,Napoli and Braga)
Posted by: Tennie Nov 6 2008, 10:52 PM
Fishdoll missed Didafan's comment! He is most embarrassed and offers her han2503 by way of apology.
Posted by: armiss Nov 6 2008, 10:52 PM
Thanks arivanjj !
Posted by: MizNelson Nov 6 2008, 10:54 PM
You don't have to send me gag gifts.
Posted by: acid911 Nov 6 2008, 10:55 PM
missed the game how was our overall perrformance guys
Wicked. Wickedly bad, that is.
At one point I almost thought I was watching AC Lackluster.Who?
Ronaldinho or Ari? Or both?
Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2008, 10:57 PM
HEY!!!!! I AM ABSOLUTELY OUTRAGED!!!! OUTRAGED I TELL YOU!!!!!
And miz, you couldn't handle this gift
@CMF, just be glad you didn't get to live through that horror show of a match
Posted by: zdrossoneri Nov 6 2008, 10:58 PM
I love you!
Posted by: weeeow Nov 6 2008, 11:01 PM
cheers mate!
Ronaldinho is class. Just one moment of magic is all it takes!
FORZA MILAN!
Posted by: jefri91 Nov 6 2008, 11:01 PM
Gotta say that the projected lineup is a little...not necessarily confidence building. Hopefully one of the mids will steal Pirlo's brain and produce some creativity OR perhaps we'll find out that one of the strikers is secretly a world class trequartista.
wow that goal really made me eat my words up
Posted by: rhy_A4 Nov 6 2008, 11:02 PM
Cheers m8!!
What a goal !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Habitant Nov 6 2008, 11:02 PM
At one point I almost thought I was watching AC Lackluster.Who?
Ronaldinho or Ari? Or both?ari of course
Posted by: zdrossoneri Nov 6 2008, 11:02 PM
Wow, I'm sick of all these one nil wins. 
Posted by: acid911 Nov 6 2008, 11:03 PM
Posted by: acid911 Nov 6 2008, 11:05 PM
Not really!
We already know what you predict, the outcome will be exactly the opposite. Keep it going, mate. Oh, and can't wait to hear R7's critic on this one. That's can't with a capital C.
Posted by: MizNelson Nov 6 2008, 11:05 PM
And miz, you couldn't handle this gift
I'm not interested in stocking stuffers, thanks.
Posted by: acid911 Nov 6 2008, 11:06 PM
Um, yeah, you'll have to stay sick for a few more matches.
I can't see our luck continuing much longer. Sooner, rather than later, we have to create victories for ourselves. The sooner, the better.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Nov 6 2008, 11:07 PM
Real bad match. But there were several positives to take.
- Senderos was concrete material .. I think he gave Carlo something to think about over this weekend
- Seedorf yet again proves to us what world class really means.
- Ringo .. He was immense, he has been for several games now. How he rebounded the ball and put it right into Ronnie's path
- Flamini was very good too and so was the wing backs.
But overall, I must say that I am rather disappointed. Shevchenko really lacks pace (but he needed a run for 90 mins, he hadn't played for 2 weeks). And Ronaldinho, with my count he didn't make 1 pass right ... I think, bottom line is lets just hope that we see more of the above positives, and look to notch as much points as possible
Posted by: zdrossoneri Nov 6 2008, 11:07 PM
I can't see our luck continuing much longer. Sooner, rather than later, we have to create victories for ourselves. The sooner, the better.Spot on.
Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2008, 11:09 PM
I love you! I love you too zd
Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2008, 11:12 PM
@ acid, totally right with that analysis, I can't see us managing to ride this type of luck for much longer. I don't think the goal was lucky, because it was a master stroke from Dinho, who hadn't really gotten into the game since he's come on. But it was lucky from the defencive aspect. Braga had countless clearcut chances. It's a miracle we didn't conceed
Posted by: Habitant Nov 6 2008, 11:13 PM
- Senderos was concrete material .. I think he gave Carlo something to think about over this weekend
- Seedorf yet again proves to us what world class really means.
- Ringo
.. He was immense, he has been for several games now. How he rebounded the ball and put it right into Ronnie's path - Flamini was very good too and so was the wing backs.
But overall, I must say that I am rather disappointed. Shevchenko really lacks pace (but he needed a run for 90 mins, he hadn't played for 2 weeks). And Ronaldinho, with my count he didn't make 1 pass right
... I think, bottom line is lets just hope that we see more of the above positives, and look to notch as much points as possible
Posted by: Habitant Nov 6 2008, 11:14 PM
I can't see our luck continuing much longer. Sooner, rather than later, we have to create victories for ourselves. The sooner, the better.
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Nov 6 2008, 11:16 PM
OMG - that totally sucks!
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Nov 6 2008, 11:19 PM
It was a simple layoff this time Tennie. Let's not go that far On the other hand Antonini played a well timed through ball in the first half to a just offside Pippo!
It sure did look somewhat Pirlo-esque!
Posted by: MizNelson Nov 6 2008, 11:22 PM
I would have to agree with acid. Luck gets you only so far before it runs out, and today we were lucky with that last-minute goal, just as we were against Napoli.
I hate the fact that we're basically coasting through this competition just because we're only focused on the Scudetto.
Posted by: Tennie Nov 6 2008, 11:23 PM
Assuming we get into the knockout stage, I imagine the club will start taking the games seriously the spring.
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Nov 6 2008, 11:25 PM
I'd say he did alright...he had some good moments and he tried his hand at a few shots. (Some better than some)
He fought hard for the ball and he really looked like he wanted to score, perhaps a bit too much.
He needs to settle in, but with not so regular playing time, I can understand why he would sometimes try the spectacular. Lets not forget the cross he put in for Pippo in the end of the 1st half, I'm sure some credit can be given to him for this as well. All in all I may not be the best one to rate Sheva's game as I may tend to want to find good in most things that he attempts.
Posted by: MizNelson Nov 6 2008, 11:25 PM
I hope so.
Dammit, I have a nose whistle that I can't get rid of to save my life.
Posted by: zdrossoneri Nov 6 2008, 11:28 PM
They've always said, don't count on 1-goal leads in football. we've been lucky overall to come off the games as winners on so many occasions where we scored only one more goal than our opponents!
We're Serie A leaders and we have scored only 15 goals in 10 matches. (
)Compare it with the EPL leaders Chelsea: 27 goals in 11 games
And La Liga leaders Barca: 28 goals in 9 games
That's what I call a big disappointment for Milan. only Carlo's tactics are to blame as he has more than enough attacking players to choose from and yet he always aims for the minimum. 1-0, 2-1 wins.
Posted by: Tennie Nov 6 2008, 11:31 PM
zd, that assumes that more goals = better quality play. I don't think that's necessarily the case.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 6 2008, 11:32 PM
I didn't see the game and also am not supporting Milan in the UEFA Cup this season, but I don't think there's any need to worry about performances just yet if the results are going the right way. Milan are also competing in the league so can't afford to lose players due to injury or fatigue while playing in UEFA Cup games that they can win with their reserves, I'm sure once the knockout stages are released that there will be more of a balance between the quality of the lineups that're fielded in Serie A and the UEFA Cup.
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Nov 6 2008, 11:32 PM
Dammit, I have a nose whistle that I can't get rid of to save my life.
.......You mean sighing right?
Posted by: acid911 Nov 6 2008, 11:39 PM
The goal wasn't lucky. We were!
Ronaldinho is after all one of the top 100 players of the world at any given time. So is Kaka. And the thing with these kinds of superstars is that they can change the game any given moment, be it the first minute or the 93rd.Problem is we have only two of these players in the attack.
And golly, it'd be really something but we can't with the UEFA Cup like this. And I don want us to win it, since it's the last of it's kind (in this format). It'll be called the Europa League from next season. So yeah, anything less than a Scudetto + UEFA Cup means a failed season for me. Some people may not agree with me, but if we don't win both trophies, I'll not be anything near happy. You heard it here first. The team better know it. So should Carlo.
Posted by: zdrossoneri Nov 6 2008, 11:39 PM
I do assume 4-0's as better quality wins than 1-0's.
In other words, how can a team that has so much quality player always struggle to score a single goal in so many games in a row?? no, Tennie. Milan, and Serie A as a whole, is not defensible in this case. people are too [not sure if this is the right word] pragmatic in Italy and Carlo is the king of them. it doesn't hurt to play a more attracting football sometimes...
Posted by: zdrossoneri Nov 6 2008, 11:45 PM
Posted by: acid911 Nov 6 2008, 11:47 PM
The world's full of Brazilians. With a couple of Frenchmen sprinkled in for taste! Awesome snap.
Posted by: Habitant Nov 6 2008, 11:52 PM
looks like he's about to take a bigte out of his shoulder
Posted by: Portikins Nov 6 2008, 11:54 PM
Dissapointed by the team performance.
But I must say I creamed myself with THAT Ronaldinho moment. OUT STA DIN G!.
Posted by: acid911 Nov 6 2008, 11:57 PM
That moment alone deserves some quality pics, both from you and Warchant, I must say!
It's worth it. A goal like this looks good anytime, but in the 90+3, it's even more outstanding.
Posted by: acid911 Nov 7 2008, 12:00 AM
So, what's new!?
We've been playing like this right after the inter match. Pato sometimes cracks me up. But, looks like he gets along great with the team, and in particular the Brazilians. But the way things are going, I don't think he'll cross the 10 mark this season. Pity. Unless he gets his scoring boots on (those orange ones, hehe!)
Posted by: Tennie Nov 7 2008, 12:10 AM
In other words, how can a team that has so much quality player always struggle to score a single goal in so many games in a row?? no, Tennie. Milan, and Serie A as a whole, is not defensible in this case. people are too [not sure if this is the right word] pragmatic in Italy and Carlo is the king of them. it doesn't hurt to play a more attracting football sometimes...
I disagree, zd. Fine defending is, to me, just as important as fancy tricks and scoring. And to me it is just as fascinating to watch, if not more so. To use a recent example, watching how Chiellini and Legrottaglie shut down Raul and Van Nistlerooy was just as fun - if not more - than watching Del Piero's goals (though I really did like that free kick). This, however, is a matter of personal preference, I think. To me, the superstars are more often defenders than strikers. Others prefer the strikers. That's fine - it just means we look at things differently.
Now if you're talking about Milan's recent performances? Yeah. I agree with you there. The team SHOULD be scoring more goals, at least in theory. But the team is also missing Andrea Pirlo who is very important to the flow of the game and in makng sure that the ball actually gets forward to the strikers/ams. Seedorf is good and is very important but there's a big hole in the midfield without Pirlo there. There just hasn't been really consistent distribution to the front and when there has been, the strikers haven't always capitalized - eg Pippo's missed a few, Pato's missed a few, etc. And - I realize I may be strung up for saying this - with the exception of the very fine goals scored, the rest of the game play of both Kaka and Ronaldinho could have been a LOT better (not counting the derby in this; I think everyone did well there).
Posted by: zdrossoneri Nov 7 2008, 12:27 AM
But after all they give 3 points to a team that scores more, not defends more. I'm not saying defending is not important. it'd be stupid of me to say that. I'm just saying it's weird to see a team like Milan defend a 0-0 result. you first attack, score, then defend your goals and hit your opponent on the counter attacks and score more. that's how a team with so many big players should play. unfortunately Carlo thinks about not conceding more than he think about scoring. that's not enjoying defensive brilliance, that I do too (I love to see Chiellini make world class strikers like Nistelrooy look desperate too). that's getting bored!
I can't find any other explanation for our embarrassing 15 goals in 10 games other than Carlo's defensive tactics. not even the missed chances.
As for Pirlo, I agree. I actually am missing him a lot recently.
I think Kaka has been great and consistent this season (unlike last season). much better than Ronaldinho (though Ronaldinho's been as much decisive thanks to his class). I'm sure many agree on that too.
Posted by: Il Diavolo Nov 7 2008, 12:31 AM
Ronaldinho saved us with a masterpiece. What a boring game! No ideas from either side. Carlo hates UEFA Cup obviously. No mood, no imagination. The only good performances came from players who either 1) need to improve /like Sheva and Dida/ or from defensive players /Antonini, Gattuso/. That's fine by me as long as we keep winning in the Serie A. I'm having a bad feeling about the upcoming Lecce game. We need to play more attacking!
And yes, I want the trophy. The final is in Istanbul. At least, there will be something poistive from this city, left in our history. And the most important fact - we will play for the Supercup. So... I agree. Serie A and UEFA or failed season.
By the way, Senderos did a fine debut. Looked a bit nervous in the first half, but was solid in the second. World class tackling in one of Braga's dangerous counterattacks.
Posted by: Tennie Nov 7 2008, 12:40 AM
Actually...not so much on the Kaka general performance, really. At least going by player ratings, which I'm tracking for the whole season. I'm using datasport's ratings for all league games. Kaka's average rating right now is 6.2 - highest rating a 7 for the game v. Samp and the lowest a 5 for the game v. Reggina. I don't think he's been consistently great in the way he can be. Ditto Ronaldinho but I think he's improving. They both are, just they're not there yet.
For what it's worth, the players with the highest average ratings are:
Emerson 6.5
Abbiati 6.4
Borriello 6.3
Ronaldinho 6.25
Inzaghi 6.25
Kaka 6.22
Gattuso 6.21
Posted by: acid911 Nov 7 2008, 12:40 AM
I, for one, am always for good defending. As they say, good defense wins you the league, while a good attack wins you tournaments. As for Milan, it really is a mess at this point in a time. A very good mess, a working mess, but a mess nonetheless. I don't know how much of it is down to Pirlo (and Nesta's) absence.
We're all very happy for the great goal scored. But what if it was the other way round? What if they had scored at the last kick of the match? No, I don't want that. The only reason we won this match was because luck was on our side. We should have won this match 2-1 in regular time. 3-0 in regular time. What if the assistant counted 2 minutes of stoppage time? Think about that. As some members have put it, disappointing performance. I'd say, very disappointing performance. Not the way I've known us to play.
Eve in the Napoli match, Kaka-Pato-Ronaldinho were exact polar opposites of Kaka-Pato-Ronaldo. Some of our recent matches have been so bad, it made me want to sleep by the first half of proceedings. And maybe I'd take these sorts of result for another few weeks, but do you know who we have to face towards the end of the year? Juventus, Udinese, Roma, and Fiorentina in that order in the matter of four weeks. All clubs in the top tier of the league any given time. This is when the Serie A will be decided! Quote me on this.
And yes, I want the trophy. The final is in Istanbul. At least, there will be something poistive from this city, left in our history. And the most important fact - we will play for the Supercup. So... I agree. Serie A and UEFA or failed season.
By the way, Senderos did a fine debut. Looked a bit nervous in the first half, but was solid in the second. World class tackling in one of Braga's dangerous counterattacks.
Top post.
Agree on all counts, particularly the bolded ones!
Posted by: acid911 Nov 7 2008, 12:50 AM
Abbiati 6.4
Borriello 6.3
Can we say, massively overrated?
Gattuso should be tops. So does Janks and Seedorf while we're talking about averages. Janku is the one who gives the most every game, running all the way from the back, time and time again. So does Zambrotta. Along with Kaka and Ronaldinho. They're our only star players on the world level, along with Nesta. Any average of under 7 is suicidal for them, meaning they're treading in mediocrity.Borriello won't make it past double figure goals for the season. He keeps running around the pitch as opposed to scoring goals. Abbiati while okay should be in the top five, not three. Emerson shouldn't be allowed on the pitch, he'll give away more fouls than passes, and almost gave a penalty today.
And unless they do anything out of the complete ordinary, they shouldn't be rated above 6. Abbiati while very good is nowhere close to Caesar (best) or Buffon's class. Had he saved us vital points in the first two matches, I'd be more inclined giving him an average above 6. What this actually proves is two things: 1) Kaka and Ronaldinho aren't there yet, and 2) those who are don't have to be.And Tennie good thing on Datasports ratings. +1.
They're usually the most reliable of the lot.
Posted by: m1ke Nov 7 2008, 12:51 AM
Average game for me. We started brightly, but Braga had some great chances and probably deserved at least a point. Still, winning when we're playing badly is great news. My ratings:
Dida: 6.5
Antonini: 5.5
Kaladze: 6.5
Senderos: 6.5
Jankulovski: 6
Flamini: 6
Gattuso: 7.5 (he keeps getting better!)
Emerson: 6.5
Pato: 6
Shevchenko: 6.5
Inzaghi: 6
Seedorf: 6.5
Ronaldinho: 7
I think Pompey will be a tough game - they've got some decent players. Really want to get tickets for this one (does anyone know how I can get away tickets shipped over to England?)
Posted by: zdrossoneri Nov 7 2008, 12:51 AM
You don't say!For what it's worth, the players with the highest average ratings are:
Emerson 6.5
Abbiati 6.4
Borriello 6.3
Ronaldinho 6.25
Inzaghi 6.25
Kaka 6.22
Gattuso 6.21
Ratings are much different in every website. everyone sees different aspects of a player's game. the one here looks to be more tempted by flashes of brilliance [Dinho] than playing consistently good [Kaka]. otherwise Kaka would've gotten a better average rating, as it might be the case with other websites that give ratings. I think it's fair to say Kaka, while not 100% yet, has improved A LOT compared to last season [which he played most of it through injury] and has been one of better players this season.
But of course, both Ronaldinho and Kaka can still improve a lot. they're still not playing like a Ballon d'Or winner would!
Posted by: Tennie Nov 7 2008, 12:54 AM
Er. Mike, re the Pompey tickets - why not just call Pompey? That's where the game is being played.
Posted by: m1ke Nov 7 2008, 12:59 AM
Well, the home seats are sold out (and for obvious reasons I don't want to sit there ). I'm trying to get hold of tickets in the away end, and I was under the impression these are distributed by Milan.
Posted by: Tennie Nov 7 2008, 01:11 AM
I just looked at acmilan.com, mike. It seems you need to go to Banca Intesa to get a ticket in the Milan end. Have you tried mpestero?
Posted by: m1ke Nov 7 2008, 01:13 AM
I had a quick look on there, but they want me to collect from Milan. Ideally I need them shipped to England - anyone going to be in Milan and fancy sending a few tickets my way?
Posted by: Tennie Nov 7 2008, 01:15 AM
Well, if you could get them sent to Florence, I could pick 'em up and send 'em on. I'll be in Florence the week of the game.
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Nov 7 2008, 01:19 AM
Now that U mentioned it it does resemble a Dracula scene!
Posted by: acid911 Nov 7 2008, 01:23 AM
Now you got me scared.
Posted by: PatitoFeo Nov 7 2008, 01:37 AM
I have faith that Sheva will start/sub and get at least one goal. he does really well in Europe
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Nov 7 2008, 01:41 AM
I removed my post as I answered thinking I was in the Lecce thread..
Posted by: acid911 Nov 7 2008, 01:48 AM
Boy, you really have some sort of an attachment with the Leece thread, Trini!
You really do!
Posted by: acid911 Nov 7 2008, 02:53 AM
Anyway, before I go to bed, some random musings. Good, if unconvincing win today:
- Gattuso is immense; his third assist in four games,
- Ronaldinho with an unstoppable shot,
- Though he could have been brought way earlier,
- Sanderos can be a future Milan defender,
- I've already added his name in in my Microsoft Word and Firefox spell check dictionaries,
- Not Maldini or Nesta, but still pretty decent on one-on-ones,
- Still needs to work on some areas,
- The 4-3-3 formation obviously went in drain,
- No connection between the attackers and midfielders,
- We need either Pirlo or Ronaldinho to start every game,
- Both in crucial encounters,
- The referee had both his cards and whistle stolen,
- So many fouls and he played them all on,
- Dida with an absolute gem save of the match,
- And then he nearly did a Dida,
- Needs to cover up on these lapses, and stock up on confidence,
- Forza Milan!
Posted by: MizNelson Nov 7 2008, 04:06 AM
Fox Soccer Report is showing all the EPL teams' UEFA Cup highlights first. Idiots.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 7 2008, 04:07 AM
Hey!
Maybe it's because we have an American keeper, or two.
Posted by: Tennie Nov 7 2008, 04:09 AM
Will they even show the other highlights? You should know, Miz, that football doesn't exist outside England as far as that show's concerned - except as a place where English teams win, buy players from, or point fingers at as a place where they always dive (just ask Steven Gerrard).
(Fishdoll is NOT a fan of the Fox Soccer Report).
EDIT for those fortunate enough never to have seen the Fox Soccer Report: half of the 60 minute show is usually devoted to English stuff. The other half is devoted to the rest of the world. Where we learn important things like Fiorentina plays in Spain. The above comment wasn't me ranting about the EPL, it was me ranting about the bias of that show, which annoys me greatly.
Posted by: MizNelson Nov 7 2008, 05:38 AM
Thief!
Posted by: han2503 Nov 7 2008, 11:03 AM
Agreed, Carlo is basically treating these group games and qualifiers as Coppa games. I tend to agree with him, right now not losing silly points in the league is the most important thing.
We're Serie A leaders and we have scored only 15 goals in 10 matches. (
)Compare it with the EPL leaders Chelsea: 27 goals in 11 games
And La Liga leaders Barca: 28 goals in 9 games
That's what I call a big disappointment for Milan. only Carlo's tactics are to blame as he has more than enough attacking players to choose from and yet he always aims for the minimum. 1-0, 2-1 wins.
To be fair zd, those 2 teams you mentioned play in leagues that cannot be compared to Serie A in the slightest when it comes to defending. I like watching a lot of Man U, Chelsea and Barca games, the way the smaller teams in particular defend against these teams is disgraceful. No wonder C.Ronaldo scores over 30 goals in a season, he always has acres upon acres of space to run into, he goes into the opposition's box without being challenged and takes a shot, which usually goes in because the goalkeeper is 9 times out of 10 completly cr@p. He wouldn't last a month in Serie A
Chelsea last weekend (I think they played Hull) everytime they passed the ball to either Anelka, Cole or Malouda they were up there all on their own with the oppositions defence MIA. I mean for Anelka to score a hattrick should be telling enough.
I'm not defending Carlo or his hardheadded ways regarding all the defensive tactics, you know how I feel about him
. But sometimes you can't simply just look at the numbers and make a conclusion from just that. In Serie A you have even relegation battlers who know how to defend well and won't let you just walk all over them like in La Liga or the EPL
Posted by: zdrossoneri Nov 7 2008, 11:37 AM
To be fair zd, those 2 teams you mentioned play in leagues that cannot be compared to Serie A in the slightest when it comes to defending. I like watching a lot of Man U, Chelsea and Barca games, the way the smaller teams in particular defend against these teams is disgraceful. No wonder C.Ronaldo scores over 30 goals in a season, he always has acres upon acres of space to run into, he goes into the opposition's box without being challenged and takes a shot, which usually goes in because the goalkeeper is 9 times out of 10 completly cr@p. He wouldn't last a month in Serie A
Chelsea last weekend (I think they played Hull) everytime they passed the ball to either Anelka, Cole or Malouda they were up there all on their own with the oppositions defence MIA. I mean for Anelka to score a hattrick should be telling enough.
I'm not defending Carlo or his hardheadded ways regarding all the defensive tactics, you know how I feel about him
. But sometimes you can't simply just look at the numbers and make a conclusion from just that. In Serie A you have even relegation battlers who know how to defend well and won't let you just walk all over them like in La Liga or the EPLLet's look at it the other way around. number of goals conceded by bottom table teams:
Bottom 5 teams of EPL have conceded 73 goals in 11 matches.
Bottom 5 teams of Serie A have conceded 85 in 10 matches.
To be honest I don't know what I should think about this! you tell me why those disgraceful defenses have conceded much less goals (while they've played one more matchday) than those bottom table teams in Serie A, that like you said won't let bigger sides walk all over them?
[No offense to EPL lovers but] you know I dislike this league for the way its teams play [though they've improved a lot recently]. I'm not defending it, I'm just trying to be logical. yes, statistics don't tell everything, but they're not completely useless either.
Posted by: han2503 Nov 7 2008, 09:45 PM
Bottom 5 teams of EPL have conceded 73 goals in 11 matches.
Bottom 5 teams of Serie A have conceded 85 in 10 matches.
To be honest I don't know what I should think about this! you tell me why those disgraceful defenses have conceded much less goals (while they've played one more matchday) than those bottom table teams in Serie A, that like you said won't let bigger sides walk all over them?
[No offense to EPL lovers but] you know I dislike this league for the way its teams play [though they've improved a lot recently]. I'm not defending it, I'm just trying to be logical. yes, statistics don't tell everything, but they're not completely useless either.
Lower table teams have conceeded that much goals already? I certainly don't remember any of the top 4 trash them this way. Those conceeded goals must have come from games played against eachother, you know the usual run of the mill 3-2 or 2-2 draws. But I can't recall any of the top teams walking all over them and scoring 5 goals as easily as Man U and Chelsea have been doing. Smaller sides usually open up much more against eachother in Serie A then they would against the bigger teams.
Inter haven't been scoring bucket loads, neither have Juve or us (not counting Roma so far because as of now they were a mess)
I still stand by what I believe though I like watching both leagues and the way big teams walk all over the lower table ones in the EPL would never happen in Serie A.
Posted by: zdrossoneri Nov 7 2008, 09:57 PM
I wouldn't say 'never', but rarely.
Posted by: dst Nov 7 2008, 10:00 PM
What a goal! Well done R20!
But what an ugly Milan! Well I did not expect anything more after I saw the line-up but still... Such a display is normal when the players expected to create (the midfielders; Gattuso, Emerson, Flamini and the full-backs; Antonini, Jankulovski) are average technically... when I saw Seedorf warming up I almost jumped off my seat from happiness! Damn, I miss Pirlo...
Senderos... He is crap but he has such a funny face and I can't get mad at him... but boy he is slow! In fact he is so slow he makes softcore porn look rapidly hardcore! He barely managed to stop his opponents, BRAGA PLAYERS, at full stretch! I am so privileged to have watched the duo of Kaladzity Jane and the retarded brother of Flash Gordon...
Posted by: han2503 Nov 7 2008, 10:21 PM
Ok saying never was exxagerating it on my part. But as you said it rarely happens.
But what an ugly Milan! Well I did not expect anything more after I saw the line-up but still... Such a display is normal when the players expected to create (the midfielders; Gattuso, Emerson, Flamini and the full-backs; Antonini, Jankulovski) are average technically... when I saw Seedorf warming up I almost jumped off my seat from happiness! Damn, I miss Pirlo...
Senderos...
He is crap but he has such a funny face and I can't get mad at him... but boy he is slow! In fact he is so slow he makes softcore porn look rapidly hardcore! He barely managed to stop his opponents, BRAGA PLAYERS, at full stretch! I am so privileged to have watched the duo of Kaladzity Jane and the retarded brother of Flash Gordon... You're killing me over here
Kaladzity Jane / retarded brother of Flash Gordon
Posted by: zdrossoneri Nov 8 2008, 08:50 AM
But agree that there's not much the will to do so. IF Milan really want to attack and score +3 goals against a Siena type team for example, it can.
don't believe Carlo's bullsh1t about how these teams are unbreakable! that word should not even exist in Milan's dictionary...__________________________________
:11/6/2008 11:59:00 PM
After seven years on the Rossoneri's bench, Carlo Ancelotti is happy with the target reached and proposes himself for another: "That of tonight was the first game of the next seven years."
MILAN - These are the declarations of the Rossoneri's coach Carlo Ancelotti at the end of Milan-Braga 1-0:
"Tonight we found it very difficult, but it was predictable because Braga is an unknown team, but with excellent qualities, who play with order and we are forced to adapt to a different game system. In the first half Milan played well, the attackers on the pitch were very quick. In particular Pato and Shevchenko did well, then in the second half we had some difficulties.
"Seven years have passed since I arrived on the Milan bench. The first seven came to an end, that of tonight was the first match of the next seven years. The first game was in Coppa Italia against Perugia which we won 3-0. Even tonight we are away from the league and we start with a win, hoping that in the future there are other Champions Cups to win.
"Gattuso is an extraordinary player, his presence is very important, especially right now that he's fine. He feels as the leader of this group. Even Ronaldinho was fantastic, he's a player we can expect everything from, and from the practical point of view he was important because he has already scored five goals.
"For the first time tonight, Kaladze and Senderos were on the pitch as the central duo. It was an important performance, despite the condition not being optimial, but I'm happy.
"On Sunday we shall go to Lecce, it will be a difficult game and for this reason we have tried to rest some players and at the same time give more minutes to others."
Please, be kidding me
Posted by: MizNelson Nov 8 2008, 11:51 AM
Egad. Sorry, Carlo, as much as you like to think you're SAF, you're not. Accept it as fact.
If there's one match in this group stage I'm looking forward to, it's Portsmouth; I really hope we wax them like a set of cheap candles. The English birdcage liners will probably engage in an orgy of Dida/David James jokes and building up the valiant Pompey against the Evil Empire of Milan in the week leading up to the match. After an 0-0 draw, it'll be hailed as their best European effort ever.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Nov 8 2008, 01:27 PM
If there's one match in this group stage I'm looking forward to, it's Portsmouth; I really hope we wax them like a set of cheap candles. The English birdcage liners will probably engage in an orgy of Dida/David James jokes and building up the valiant Pompey against the Evil Empire of Milan in the week leading up to the match. After an 0-0 draw, it'll be hailed as their best European effort ever.
Posted by: acid911 Nov 8 2008, 01:54 PM
If there's one match in this group stage I'm looking forward to, it's Portsmouth; I really hope we wax them like a set of cheap candles. The English birdcage liners will probably engage in an orgy of Dida/David James jokes and building up the valiant Pompey against the Evil Empire of Milan in the week leading up to the match. After an 0-0 draw, it'll be hailed as their best European effort ever.
Agree with everything!
I think if we play anything near to our full strength squad (not the Serie A squad, just a better and balanced UEFA Cup team, unlike last match) Portsmouth doesn't stand a chance.
Posted by: acid911 Nov 8 2008, 06:21 PM
Who knew it'd be the same story again?
Only the uniform changed into white, with the cast remaining the same, both Gattuso and Ronaldinho! Hope it keeps up!
Posted by: PatitoFeo Nov 12 2008, 01:06 AM
Wait - in the Serie A vs. EPL comparison, are we arguing that catenaccio is a good thing?
I agree that Italians defend with more intelligence and grace than their UK "two foot slide tackle at the drop of a hat" counterparts, but the 9 men behind the ball tactics is not exactly easy on the eye.
And Fox Soccer Report is the worst half hour of sports not involving Jim Rome. I can't stand UK English accents, except for the occasional Irishmen. And no Tommy Smith is not that occasional Irishman. I have never owned an onion bag nor do I care to wikipedia that annoying reference
Posted by: Tennie Nov 12 2008, 01:16 AM
Haha. A cookie to PatitoFeo.
You echoed my thoughts far more eloquently than I could write them down about the state of football coverage in the US.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 12 2008, 09:07 AM
I agree that Italians defend with more intelligence and grace than their UK "two foot slide tackle at the drop of a hat" counterparts, but the 9 men behind the ball tactics is not exactly easy on the eye.
And Fox Soccer Report is the worst half hour of sports not involving Jim Rome. I can't stand UK English accents, except for the occasional Irishmen. And no Tommy Smith is not that occasional Irishman. I have never owned an onion bag nor do I care to wikipedia that annoying reference
There's nout wrong with our accents!
Posted by: MizNelson Nov 12 2008, 09:53 AM
Not at all, but Tommy Smyth is particularly grating on the ears.
I think I'm one of the few people who likes Jim Rome nowadays because I mostly agree with what he says. Still, anyone who watched ESPN in 1991 remembers how Rams quarterback Jim Everett decked him on television after Rome kept calling him "Chris Evert." Ah, those were the days.
Posted by: han2503 Nov 12 2008, 01:05 PM
I agree that Italians defend with more intelligence and grace than their UK "two foot slide tackle at the drop of a hat" counterparts, but the 9 men behind the ball tactics is not exactly easy on the eye.
We're not saying that it easier on the eyes, far from it, but it's much more harder to break down these types of teams than their English counterpart. At least that's my oppinion
Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 12 2008, 11:47 PM
I think I'm one of the few people who likes Jim Rome nowadays because I mostly agree with what he says. Still, anyone who watched ESPN in 1991 remembers how Rams quarterback Jim Everett decked him on television after Rome kept calling him "Chris Evert." Ah, those were the days.
I did not see that unfortunately, I wasn't even old enough to go to school then!
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