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post Jul 7 2022, 04:08 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 6 2022, 10:22 PM) *
I think we're signing him precisely because he has no resale value, whereas somebody like Saelemaekers could provide us with a decent 15m.

And let's be honest, between the two Messias was the better player last year.

I don't see any club coming with that offer for Alexis tbh. His season wasn't strong enough. Messias makes no sense because he has no resale value imo. It's not like he offers much on the pitch and it won't be easy to sell Alexis and Samu in the same window, so we're just bloating up the squad imo.

Plus I think Alexis is far more versatile and can be used in various scenarios. While Messias is pretty one dimensional and basically has no margin for improvement.

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 6 2022, 10:34 PM) *
It's the Serie A in general. I read that Brentford are about to sign Aaron Hickey from Bologna for 22m. Fucking Brentford, man!

Well, that's my point the EPL IS the super league already. With their bottom half sides capable of matching bids made by top clubs from all the other leagues. Barring Real Madrid and PSG.

It's not just Serie A that cannot keep up. La Liga, Bundesliga and Ligue 1 teams just cannot match the spending power of EPL sides. Add to that some EPL sides which are on steroids like City, Newcastle, Chelsea and you have this huge imbalance that being widened with each passing year.


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Anyway, I wanted to bring some evidence about how pathetic Italian journalism is nowadays.

Sportmediaset reported today an article on their front page which read "Milan, be aware of Leeds: huge offer for De Keteleare!". So, I went inside the article and at some point it read "The English club, in fact, would be willing to pay 35 million euros plus 5 bonus into the coffers of Brugge, as reported by the Belgian newspaper Het Laatste Nieuws."

So, in turn I went and found that article by this Het Laatste Nieuws source, translated it into English, and at some point it said "In the meantime, Club Brugge received a concrete offer from Leeds United in recent days. Italian sources yesterday spoke of an amount of 30 million euros with bonuses. All together, however, the transfer fee can easily reach 35 million".

So, let me get this right. Sportmediaset cites this Belgian paper, which in turns cites Italian sources as their source. And in addition, it says the offer is 30m that with add-ons could reach 35m, whereas Sporrmediaset reports 35+5 from the same source.

I mean, this is plain ridiculous.

Journalism in football is really terrible and has basically become clickbait material rather that actual reporting

There are few people I actually trust with news related to Milan and even then the percentage is not as high as it was in the past. Ever since the new management came in it really does feel like no one has any real source from inside the club unlike the time under Galliani and then Mirabelli
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post Jul 10 2022, 05:01 AM
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I'm really not happy with the transfer window. We lost Kessie and Romagnoli. We haven't signed really direct replacements. We didn't sign Botman. We're really not as active as we should be. Juventus already signed Pogba and Di Maria which will do great in serie a. Lukaku is back to Inter. No way we can sniff the Scudetto without marquee signings...who are we attracting? No big names after a Scudetto...
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post Jul 10 2022, 09:44 AM
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QUOTE (William405 @ Jul 10 2022, 05:01 AM) *
I'm really not happy with the transfer window. We lost Kessie and Romagnoli. We haven't signed really direct replacements. We didn't sign Botman. We're really not as active as we should be. Juventus already signed Pogba and Di Maria which will do great in serie a. Lukaku is back to Inter. No way we can sniff the Scudetto without marquee signings...who are we attracting? No big names after a Scudetto...


To be honest judgments should be made at the end. We could very well sign De Ketelaere, Ziyech, Renato Sanches and another CB, who alongside Origi, Adli, and the return of Pobega would make it a very successful mercato IMO.
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post Jul 10 2022, 12:55 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 10 2022, 09:44 AM) *
To be honest judgments should be made at the end. We could very well sign De Ketelaere, Ziyech, Renato Sanches and another CB, who alongside Origi, Adli, and the return of Pobega would make it a very successful mercato IMO.

Only if all this happens though

I'd really like to see some movement this week because now we're just making the usual mistake of letting things drag on

At least get Ziyech and CDK done.

Sanches is a question mark. I don't know if all the PSG stuff is media BS or Mendes trying to get a better deal for him or he actually wants to go there. He'd be perfect for our midfield. But at this point either get a definite answer of yes from him or move on to someone else. We need 1 more dynamic mid. Pobega and Adli are probably going to be impressive this season, but we just lost a starting mid, we have to make sure we replace him especially with the other teams getting stronger
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post Jul 10 2022, 03:55 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 10 2022, 11:44 AM) *
To be honest judgments should be made at the end. We could very well sign De Ketelaere, Ziyech, Renato Sanches and another CB, who alongside Origi, Adli, and the return of Pobega would make it a very successful mercato IMO.


So, our rivals are signing pogba, lukaku, di maria and you think these signings will be enough?
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post Jul 10 2022, 03:55 PM
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We need a MARQUEE signing.
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post Jul 10 2022, 05:49 PM
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QUOTE (William405 @ Jul 10 2022, 03:55 PM) *
So, our rivals are signing pogba, lukaku, di maria and you think these signings will be enough?


Pogba is a washed up has-been. Di Maria is coming on a one-year contract because he only cares about the WC. Lukaku is coming on loan after a disastrous season. Do not paint them as marquee signings.

Besides, Juventus need a revolution right now. In defense they are thread-bare. You can't compare their situation to ours. Inter are also signing a lot of loans and free agents.

De Ketelaere, Ziyech and Sanches are functional to our project. They add exactly the kind of depth we need, especially the first two. If we get them we would be filling the holes we had last season. The question is whether we will actually sign them all or not.
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post Jul 10 2022, 06:11 PM
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QUOTE (William405 @ Jul 10 2022, 03:55 PM) *
We need a MARQUEE signing.


I wholeheartedly disagree. We do not need marquee signings. We need quality and functional players.
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post Jul 10 2022, 07:29 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 10 2022, 07:49 PM) *
Pogba is a washed up has-been. Di Maria is coming on a one-year contract because he only cares about the WC. Lukaku is coming on loan after a disastrous season. Do not paint them as marquee signings.

Besides, Juventus need a revolution right now. In defense they are thread-bare. You can't compare their situation to ours. Inter are also signing a lot of loans and free agents.

De Ketelaere, Ziyech and Sanches are functional to our project. They add exactly the kind of depth we need, especially the first two. If we get them we would be filling the holes we had last season. The question is whether we will actually sign them all or not.


I find it hard to agree with you. No matter what their past season was, we all know they are WC players. Pogba will do well in Juve. So will Di maria and Lukaku, I can bet on that. Yes, these players that we will sign are important for our project. But, it's not enough I'm afraid. Ziyech is maybe the most important player and I don't think anyone ever considered him world class. De Ketelaere is probably good for the future, but I don't know about him being an immediate impact.
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post Jul 10 2022, 10:44 PM
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First of all, marquee signings cost an arm and a leg, and require 7-8m yearly salaries. We have a salary cap so that is out of the question. You should know that.

Secondly, we just won a Scudetto without any marquee signings so that goes to prove you do not need big names to be successful. You just need to invest in quality players. Sanches, Ziyech and De Ketelare would be top quality signings that would comfortably double our potential.

The problem is that we are taking way too long and might end up losing on a couple of them at this rate. That is my only worry.
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post Jul 10 2022, 11:35 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 11 2022, 12:44 AM) *
First of all, marquee signings cost an arm and a leg, and require 7-8m yearly salaries. We have a salary cap so that is out of the question. You should know that.

Secondly, we just won a Scudetto without any marquee signings so that goes to prove you do not need big names to be successful. You just need to invest in quality players. Sanches, Ziyech and De Ketelare would be top quality signings that would comfortably double our potential.

The problem is that we are taking way too long and might end up losing on a couple of them at this rate. That is my only worry.


I hope you are right. I'm really worried about the quality of the opposition this year.
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post Jul 11 2022, 09:10 AM
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Now newspapers are saying that Ziyech is only an alternative if we don't sign De Ketelaere. Like, WTF!
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post Jul 11 2022, 03:58 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 10 2022, 05:49 PM) *
Pogba is a washed up has-been. Di Maria is coming on a one-year contract because he only cares about the WC. Lukaku is coming on loan after a disastrous season. Do not paint them as marquee signings.

Besides, Juventus need a revolution right now. In defense they are thread-bare. You can't compare their situation to ours. Inter are also signing a lot of loans and free agents.

De Ketelaere, Ziyech and Sanches are functional to our project. They add exactly the kind of depth we need, especially the first two. If we get them we would be filling the holes we had last season. The question is whether we will actually sign them all or not.

Inter have improved this year, no matter which way you look at it. But they have also crippled themselved by letting Perisic leave and now Skriniar is on the way out as well. Lukaku could be important for them, but goal scoring wasn't their issue last season, it was mostly self implosions, one player cannot fix that imo

Juve are a non-factor imo. This isn't me trying to make an over the top statement. They just do not look good at all to me. Di Maria was barely playing last season. He'd have been good for us because we already have a very set system and he'd just be a cherry on top of it, but at Juve the squad is a mess imo. The defense is pretty bad, De Ligt about to be sold on top of that, the midfield has been mediocre for a while now and Pogba is going to have the same issues he had at Utd with Juve imo. He looked great in the old Juve midfield because he had other great mids next to him like Vidal, Pirlo and Marchisio, capable of covering his short comings. Same as he does with the French NT. Now at Juve they have a Roma/Lazio level midfield. I don't think he'll be a huge factor for them tbh

QUOTE (William405 @ Jul 10 2022, 07:29 PM) *
I find it hard to agree with you. No matter what their past season was, we all know they are WC players. Pogba will do well in Juve. So will Di maria and Lukaku, I can bet on that. Yes, these players that we will sign are important for our project. But, it's not enough I'm afraid. Ziyech is maybe the most important player and I don't think anyone ever considered him world class. De Ketelaere is probably good for the future, but I don't know about him being an immediate impact.

The 3 players x-off mentions will imo take us to the next level. Are they big star names? No, but that doesn't matter. As long as they ft into what Pioli wants to do, that's all that matters. Because all 3 are quality players, they will give us the added jump we need compared to last season where we won the Scudetto with basically a handicap on the right side a no striker aside from the big games where iroud showed up big time.

I read somewhere that Lukaku cost Inter nearly 30m just for a season long dry loan, that is insane. And they still have to close out the year with an 80m+ profit. They're most likely selling Skriniar, which is a big blow because imo he's their best defender. De Vrij is declining fast and Bastoni is similar to Bonucci in the way that he needs a strong CB next to him or he crumbles. They might get Bremer but Toro apparently want close to 40m for him which still leaves them short off the mark in terms of the balance sheet which needs to be at +80m.

We'll see how everything turns out. I think the names we're currently linked to would be perfect in terms of making a leap forward. The only problem is getting them actually done, rather then being one step close every day with nothing happening

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 10 2022, 10:44 PM) *
First of all, marquee signings cost an arm and a leg, and require 7-8m yearly salaries. We have a salary cap so that is out of the question. You should know that.

Secondly, we just won a Scudetto without any marquee signings so that goes to prove you do not need big names to be successful. You just need to invest in quality players. Sanches, Ziyech and De Ketelare would be top quality signings that would comfortably double our potential.

The problem is that we are taking way too long and might end up losing on a couple of them at this rate. That is my only worry.

Agreed

QUOTE (William405 @ Jul 10 2022, 11:35 PM) *
I hope you are right. I'm really worried about the quality of the opposition this year.

Inter are still going to be our biggest challenger this season. I think there will be a gap between us and the rest

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Now newspapers are saying that Ziyech is only an alternative if we don't sign De Ketelaere. Like, WTF!

I think we can all agree that none of them know wtf is going in.

Di Marzio is still the most reliable and he's said we're going after both.


Samu off to Valencia btw. Thank you Rino!! Still loyal to the Rossoneri colours
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post Jul 11 2022, 04:18 PM
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Caldara going to Spezia, loan + option for 3m (we just cannot get rid of this guy, another excellent piece of business bu Leonardo)

Duarte off to Turkey permanent deal for 2m

Samu they're saying we rescinded the contract with no severance, so that's 7m off the books for next season

Maldini Jr going to Verona on loan


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Looks like De Ketelaere is almost a done deal. We have offered 28+3 mil + Jungdal and Roback.
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