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Posted by: han2503 Aug 15 2017, 02:24 PM
Will be very interesting to see what line-up Montella picks and even if it's shown as a 4-3-3 I'm 95% confident the shape on the pitch will not be that
Biglia and Romagnoli are the ones still out injured, what I hope to see
Kessie--Locatelli
Hakan
Suso--Silva--Bona
A play on a 4-3-3/4-2-3-1
Posted by: han2503 Aug 15 2017, 02:34 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zSyA6lYpUo
A little funny fact vid on our opponents
Posted by: Danny Aug 15 2017, 09:20 PM
Biglia and Romagnoli are the ones still out injured, what I hope to see
Kessie--Locatelli
Hakan
Suso--Silva--Bona
A play on a 4-3-3/4-2-3-1
Have we ditched Cutrone already?
Posted by: Ry4n Aug 15 2017, 10:23 PM
another season in the Europa league ffs.
Posted by: Danny Aug 16 2017, 02:02 AM
Another? We've not been here for over a decade I seem to recall.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 16 2017, 08:51 AM
I really think it's time to get a better and more accurate assessment on Silva.
Posted by: Danny Aug 16 2017, 10:26 AM
Maybe against Crotone. Not in a UEL qualifier. Cutrone has impressed. He's scored. He's earned the place. If Borini can get all these starts, Paddy can.
Posted by: han2503 Aug 16 2017, 01:34 PM
Cutrone will most likely be sent on loan
Posted by: Danny Aug 16 2017, 02:39 PM
More or less the same age as Silva yet you dismiss one and give the other a chance?
Posted by: han2503 Aug 16 2017, 02:56 PM
Not exactly, and who said I was dismissing him? I just said that he'll most likely be loaned because that's what's being reported.
Posted by: Ry4n Aug 16 2017, 06:17 PM
**** man you had to hit me in the balls so early in the day......wait its 6pm
Posted by: Ry4n Aug 16 2017, 06:20 PM
3-0 First leg then 1-1 away.
Posted by: Fishdoll Aug 16 2017, 06:39 PM
Here are the call ups:
PORTIERI: A. Donnarumma, G. Donnarumma, Storari
DIFENSORI: Abate, Antonelli, Bonucci, Conti, Gabbia, Musacchio, Rodriguez, Zapata
CENTROCAMPISTI: Bonaventura, Calhanoglu, Kessié, Locatelli, Montolivo
ATTACCANTI: Borini, Cutrone, Silva,
No Calabria, Gomez, Paletta, Romagnoli, Sosa or Niang.
Posted by: han2503 Aug 16 2017, 07:00 PM
PORTIERI: A. Donnarumma, G. Donnarumma, Storari
DIFENSORI: Abate, Antonelli, Bonucci, Conti, Gabbia, Musacchio, Rodriguez, Zapata
CENTROCAMPISTI: Bonaventura, Calhanoglu, Kessié, Locatelli, Montolivo
ATTACCANTI: Borini, Cutrone, Silva,
No Calabria, Gomez, Paletta, Romagnoli, Sosa or Niang.
Was just about to say...
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that all of Niang, Paletta, Sosa and Gomez are market related
Niang and Paletta the most likely to go next imo.
Selling Gomez though is a bad move this late in the mercato. Selling him while keeping Zapata makes even less sense. He's got potential imo and selling him will turn out to be a mistake in the long run.
If we sell him we need to have a move lined up ASAP, we only have 4 CBs now and if Montella is going to switch to 3 at the back (as he hinted in his press conference today) we'll need one more
That attack is also seriously lacking even if you add Kalinic, we need one more forward for sure and another midfielder
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Aug 16 2017, 07:52 PM
Suso?
Posted by: Danny Aug 16 2017, 08:08 PM
You did. 'What I hope to see'. No Cutrone.
Posted by: han2503 Aug 16 2017, 08:42 PM
He must be missing from that list.
Here's another one
Milan squad for Shkendija A Donnarumma, G Donnarumma, Storari; Abate, Antonelli, Bonucci, Conti, Gabbia, Musacchio, Rodriguez, Zapata; Bonaventura, Calhanoglu, Kessié, Locatelli, Montolivo; Borini, Cutrone, Andre Silva, Suso
Posted by: han2503 Aug 16 2017, 08:47 PM
The predicted line up from sky is kinda worrying I have to say, either Montella is also thinking about the fact that we're playing 4 games in something like 10 days so he's rotating a bit or he's sipping the koolAid
G. Donnarumma; Conti, Bonucci, Zapata, Antonelli; Kessie, Montolivo, Calhanoglu; Suso, Silva, Borini [Sky]
Those 3 make zero sense considering who would sit on the bench instead of them.
The Borini inclusion is the most worrying. Danny it's your fault if Montella develops some sort of fixation with him 
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 16 2017, 10:55 PM
Montella should stop it with this Borini nonsense. One of the poorest players in the pre-season, yet he keeps starting games. Moreover, drop that 4-3-3 that's clearly not suited to the players we have, and either switch to a 3-man defense already or play the most logical 4-2-3-1.
Posted by: Danny Aug 17 2017, 12:50 AM
G. Donnarumma; Conti, Bonucci, Zapata, Antonelli; Kessie, Montolivo, Calhanoglu; Suso, Silva, Borini [Sky]
Those 3 make zero sense considering who would sit on the bench instead of them.
The Borini inclusion is the most worrying. Danny it's your fault if Montella develops some sort of fixation with him
Told you
Posted by: han2503 Aug 17 2017, 07:24 AM
Well, considering who he's dropping, I think he's looking at the league game on Sunday and then the 2nd leg on Thursday.
Hopefully he'll get some better rotation players/starters by the end of this month so Borini would become an emergency player only
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 17 2017, 10:20 AM
I'm not worried about the player selection at all. Like you said, 4 matches in 10 days is a tough schedule and that kind of rotation is necessary. Especially with the flanks, were we have 1 normal player in Suso and some halflings.
What worries me is the constant tactical inflexibility and the 4-3-3 system. Makes me wonder if Montella plans to stick with it, which would be very bad I guess.
Posted by: Danny Aug 17 2017, 11:13 AM
What worries me is the constant tactical inflexibility and the 4-3-3 system. Makes me wonder if Montella plans to stick with it, which would be very bad I guess.
In his defence it never is 4-3-3. It's always 4-1-4-1 or 4-2-3-1.
Posted by: Fishdoll Aug 17 2017, 07:08 PM
Starting XI: G.Donnarumma; Conti, Bonucci, Zapata, Antonelli; Kessié, Montolivo, Calhanoglu; Borini, André Silva, Suso
God help us, Montoleader is starting. I'll get the grappa out early...
Posted by: d'Arc.LP Aug 17 2017, 07:54 PM
7th minute and Kessie already showing his worth. I really like this guy.
Posted by: d'Arc.LP Aug 17 2017, 08:00 PM
SILVAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA !!!!
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Aug 17 2017, 08:01 PM
Good finish
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Aug 17 2017, 08:16 PM
3-0
Posted by: d'Arc.LP Aug 17 2017, 08:16 PM
Monto then Silva again. We are not looking bad at all now.
Posted by: han2503 Aug 17 2017, 08:27 PM
Hakan and Silva very impressive today. Kessie has always been good, so that goes without saying
Posted by: Ry4n Aug 17 2017, 08:32 PM
called it !!
Bon has impressed , i wonder how Monti feels though i mean inside he must be dissapointed not being primo captain anymore but fack i hated him being captain such a paper plane.
Posted by: d'Arc.LP Aug 17 2017, 08:33 PM
So, as Han said, Kessie and Silva quite good today. Hakan good but not as good as I want him to be. Conti looks very tired, it's his 3rd game in a row that he looks like this. Antonelli is obviously a disaster. I am convinced that I could play better than him. Montolivo and Borini trying, not doing bad - considering they are our back ups.
Posted by: Danny Aug 17 2017, 08:34 PM
This won't be the final score
Posted by: Fishdoll Aug 17 2017, 08:38 PM
Well, that was fun. The defense looks a bit creaky still - not sure if it's conditioning or that they haven't really played together.
Montoleader surprised me in a good way.
Silva...damn. That second goal was very impressive. More please.
Posted by: Ry4n Aug 17 2017, 08:38 PM
im turning it off at 3-0 lol it is for me !
halas we won! next leg please.
Posted by: Danny Aug 17 2017, 08:39 PM
Agree on all this bar Borini - he's a joke.
Conti's had no impact - barely noticed him.
Kessie's QUITE good? He's been the best player on the pitch by a mile! Absolute monster - hasn't put a foot wrong. Could become Serie A's best midfielder the way he's been going for us.
Silva absolutely delighting me - took both goals superbly - keep this up and I'll be delighted to have been wrong about him. Sure it's only some diddie side fro Macedonia but you can only beat the teams you face and while his off ball work hasn't been perfect, he's had two valid shots as a Milan player and both of them have been great goals.
It's definitely a 4-3-3 and that's why Cal hasn't been perfect - he doesn't suit sitting so deep. Monto has been good - make no bones about it, he's played well and his goal was good too.
Suso a bit meh - still taking too much of the ball for himself and trying too much. It's as if it was his ego last season and now it's him trying to impress with all the competition. Some of it is good, some isn't.
Defence barely tested but been good apart from two mild attacks - Zapata off the pace.
And now I see how good Rodriguez is - what an upgrade at LB he's been. Antonelli acceptable as squad but not a starter. I used to rate him very highly - but he's been really bad tonight.
Posted by: han2503 Aug 17 2017, 08:58 PM
I feel like Montella has shackled him a bit from his all out attacking style, which is understandable as he tends to push up a lot which could lead to trouble with a 4 at the back
But Conti's best attribute is his attacking play, he really should have at least a bit of freedom to attack as he can be very lethal
Posted by: d'Arc.LP Aug 17 2017, 09:02 PM
That ball from Kessie for Borini, pure CLASS !
Posted by: han2503 Aug 17 2017, 09:03 PM
Kessie...
He's fulfilling my dream of having a great 2-way mid at Milan. Finally!!
Posted by: han2503 Aug 17 2017, 09:04 PM
Hakan off Bona on
Great game from Hakan, looking forward to see him when he gets his sharpness back to a 100%
Posted by: han2503 Aug 17 2017, 09:09 PM
Lol, Borini scores!
Posted by: milanbuf88 Aug 17 2017, 09:10 PM
Even Borini gets in on the action!!
Posted by: milanbuf88 Aug 17 2017, 09:11 PM
Antonelli!!
Posted by: han2503 Aug 17 2017, 09:11 PM
Antonelli too now
Posted by: milanbuf88 Aug 17 2017, 09:12 PM
It's nice to finally dominate teams the way we should!
Posted by: han2503 Aug 17 2017, 09:13 PM
What a hat trick that would have been for Silva!!
Posted by: Forza Milan! Aug 17 2017, 09:14 PM
At work, but following the game as best I can. Good to be back as a real team !!!
Posted by: milanbuf88 Aug 17 2017, 09:28 PM
Another for Monto!!
Posted by: han2503 Aug 17 2017, 09:28 PM
Monto just found his niche
6-0
Posted by: Forza Milan! Aug 17 2017, 09:30 PM
Good for him !!! What role is he playing and how well is he doing?
Posted by: milanbuf88 Aug 17 2017, 09:31 PM
Did anyone catch why Bona left the field?
Posted by: han2503 Aug 17 2017, 09:31 PM
Hmm, Bona just had to walk off...
Hopefully it's nothing serious
Posted by: han2503 Aug 17 2017, 09:32 PM
Injury
Posted by: han2503 Aug 17 2017, 09:37 PM
Very good game, we'll see how far we've come on Sunday when the league starts, today was too much of a walkover
Posted by: Danny Aug 17 2017, 09:40 PM
Taking into account the weak opposition, and a LOT of mitigating factors, that's the most one-sided and convincing win we have had at San Siro probably in a few decades.
Even down to 10 men we were so far ahead of them it was untrue.
Good morale boost - here's hoping we can take into the weekend.
Posted by: Danny Aug 17 2017, 09:40 PM
So was the last round yet we struggled.
Posted by: Fishdoll Aug 17 2017, 09:43 PM
I'll et the grappa out early if Montolivo does that in every game.
Wow.
Granted it wasn't the strongest opponent and granted it wasn't the ideal starting XI, but gosh was that fun to watch.
Kessie is a beast.
Posted by: d'Arc.LP Aug 17 2017, 09:57 PM
We were very good tonight, no doubt there. We won, but even if we didnt score 6 I still wouldnt judge this team (as a whole and not players) 'cos I think that we are much better than we showed tonight. We are yet to see Bonucci - Musacchio - Romagnoli partnership, we are yet to see Biglia and his partnership with Kessie, we are yet to see Hakan playing in a more fitting place for him, we are yet to see the likes of Antonelli and Borini in the bench, we are yet to see a class striker, so I wait much more from this team. Still, I am very pleased with the game and the result.
I would rate the players like this:
Dollarumma - 6 - Didnt really have to do anything. One bad leaving of the goal, but Ibrahimi didn't use that chance and Montolivo covered us when Dolla and Conti collapsed.
Conti - 6.5 - Looking very tired. People say he prefers a more attacking playstyle but even when Suso wanted to set him up, he just lacked. Not saying that he is rubbish, just I hope he is saving his best for later.
Bonucci - 7 - Didnt get tested and when he did he won the match ups.
Zapata - 6 - Not very bad, yet made some errors.
Antonelli - 5 - Appart from his goal which was pure luck, he did absolutely nothing. The only good thing about him is that he gets to watch Rodriguez from now on, on important games.
Kessie - 8 - Didnt score but for me was MOM. Cant stress it enough on how good this signing is. I like the guy. Not only he is physically a beast and helps a lot in the defensive, he also can make great passes and runs. Looking forward to see him getting the best midfielder of Serie A award pretty soon.
Montolivo - 7.5 - Was good tonight, cant deny that. Not saying this cos he scored, but he actually made some good passes and he could roam more freely cos he had Kessie to cover for him in the back.
Hakan - 7 - The guy is good, no doubt there. His touch, passing and vision is obviously there but he didnt play for couple of months and now he is being used out of his best position.
Suso - 6.5 - Tried to pull some things, didnt work, looked a bit not interested in the game, but I believe he is still our best RW.
Silva - 8 - His goals were great. The instinct for the goal is there and he has nice work out. I wanted to see him score a hat-trick but I was happy to see he was not selfish even when he had a brace already.
Borini - 6 - It's clear that we didnt sign him cos he has any talent, we signed him to fill the holes in the squad. At least he is not like Mancini, he is running like hell and trying to actually compensate his disabilites with coverage, so I dont mind him being a back up.
Montella - 6 - This team would win games like these even without a coach, so I cant rate him high for a game like this, but I need to see him play a 3 man defense pretty soon and find Hakan a proper place. Also unless he plans to play Locatelli vs Crotone and was saving him, I dont understand why not play him tonight.
Edit: I forgot to rate the subs, so:
Bona - 6 - The game was already over but if he competing with Hakan for thr same spot Id just say that Bona is loosing. There is a clear difference in quality between them even though they have different styles.
Abate - 7 - Did in those few minutes more than Conti did in the whole game, unfortunately.
Cutrone - NA. No time, even though I liked his tentative to finish that Montolivo assits in an acrobatic way.
Posted by: Danny Aug 17 2017, 10:05 PM
I would rate the players like this:
Dollarumma - 6 - Didnt really have to do anything. One bad leaving of the goal, but Ibrahimi didn't use that chance and Montolivo covered us when Dolla and Conti collapsed.
Conti - 6.5 - Looking very tired. People say he prefers a more attacking playstyle but even when Suso wanted to set him up, he just lacked. Not saying that he is rubbish, just I hope he is saving his best for later.
Bonucci - 7 - Didnt get tested and when he did he won the match ups.
Zapata - 6 - Not very bad, yet made some errors.
Antonelli - 5 - Appart from his goal which was pure luck, he did absolutely nothing. The only good thing about him is that he gets to watch Rodriguez from now on, on important games.
Kessie - 8 - Didnt score but for me was MOM. Cant stress it enough on how good this signing is. I like the guy. Not only he is physically a beast and helps a lot in the defensive, he also can make great passes and runs. Looking forward to see him getting the best midfielder of Serie A award pretty soon.
Montolivo - 7.5 - Was good tonight, cant deny that. Not saying this cos he scored, but he actually made some good passes and he could roam more freely cos he had Kessie to cover for him in the back.
Hakan - 7 - The guy is good, no doubt there. His touch, passing and vision is obviously there but he didnt play for couple of months and now he is being used out of his best position.
Suso - 6.5 - Tried to pull some things, didnt work, looked a bit not interested in the game, but I believe he is still our best RW.
Silva - 8 - His goals were great. The instinct for the goal is there and he has nice work out. I wanted to see him score a hat-trick but I was happy to see he was not selfish even when he had a brace already.
Borini - 6 - It's clear that we didnt sign him cos he has any talent, we signed him to fill the holes in the squad. At least he is not like Mancini, he is running like hell and trying to actually compensate his disabilites with coverage, so I dont mind him being a back up.
Montella - 6 - This team would win games like these even without a coach, so I cant rate him high for a game like this, but I need to see him play a 3 man defense pretty soon and find Hakan a proper place.
How can you wildly disagree with my ratings when I agree with yours
Except Kessie. I'd have gone 9.5. And Donna - he was pretty shite tbh.
Posted by: d'Arc.LP Aug 17 2017, 10:08 PM
Except Kessie. I'd have gone 9.5. And Donna - he was pretty shite tbh.Who said I dont agree with your ratings? I just tend to wait for players to really screw up before I trash talk them
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 17 2017, 10:16 PM
Weak opponent aside, I really liked the determination we showed. Even past the 70th minute while we were leading 5-0 we were constantly pressing the opponent and winning balls.
Now what we need to work on is the formation. I don't know what Montella is thinking, but playing 4-3-3 with Borini is worrying. Especially since he's played Bonaventura in the midfield three thus far and seems reluctant to play Hakan in the trequartista role. He needs to make up his mind, whether we'll play 4-2-3-1 or 3-5-2 this season, and apply it ASAP.
As for the individual performances, Kessie was obviously the best on the pitch. I swear the facility at which he does some things is impressive. Silva was very good as well, though I think he should have scored at least another goal. I also liked Suso, very vivid and always part of our attacking maneuvers. Hakan was alright but he still needs to find his rhythm and position on the pitch. The quality is there.
Posted by: Danny Aug 17 2017, 10:18 PM
You? You said you never agreed with them. You're by no means alone btw
Tonight was positive on a number of fronts but the real bread and butter is Sunday.
Posted by: d'Arc.LP Aug 17 2017, 10:25 PM
Tonight was positive on a number of fronts but the real bread and butter is Sunday.
I might disagree with you sometimes, especially on passing judgment without testing - proof, but in general we agree. Yet there are some players like Locatelli and Suso on whom we will never agree
Yep.
Posted by: Ry4n Aug 17 2017, 10:30 PM
Montella: 'Promising Milan start' 
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 17 2017, 10:52 PM
What's your problem?
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 17 2017, 11:09 PM
I found this comment from Montella post-match:
"Three-man defense? I don't think there's a winning formation, but a group spirit. It depends only from the players. We can play in any way. We only lack a trequartista, but otherwise we can play with all formations."
http://www.sportmediaset.mediaset.it/calcio/milan/milan-montella-160-andre-silva-puo-migliorare-tantissimo-_1167513-201702a.shtml
Say what? We lack a trequaretista? If Calhanoglu isn't a trequartista then I don't know who is. 
Posted by: Danny Aug 17 2017, 11:20 PM
"Three-man defense? I don't think there's a winning formation, but a group spirit. It depends only from the players. We can play in any way. We only lack a trequartista, but otherwise we can play with all formations."
http://www.sportmediaset.mediaset.it/calcio/milan/milan-montella-160-andre-silva-puo-migliorare-tantissimo-_1167513-201702a.shtml
Say what? We lack a trequaretista? If Calhanoglu isn't a trequartista then I don't know who is.
I think this supports my view the trequartisa is dead. They're called AM these days and they do a lot more. And tbh Calhanoglu doesn't really act like a traditional 'trequartista'.
Posted by: Danny Aug 17 2017, 11:20 PM
We agreed on Suso tonight?
Posted by: d'Arc.LP Aug 17 2017, 11:31 PM
Yes, I stand by my comments regarding him - for tonight.
Posted by: Ry4n Aug 17 2017, 11:43 PM
Its hilarious because we won 6-0 hes a pretty humble guy to say that and i'm being serious.. I did say we would win 3-0 but 6 is a nice surprise.
Also back off thanks darling.
I'll say what i please.
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 17 2017, 11:46 PM
AM=trequartista. Trequartista in Italian comes from the word tre-quarti, meaning 3/4, that is, the space between midfield and attack. In other words, a trequartista is an advanced midfielder.
Calhanoglu has played his entire career as an advanced midfielder, so you can't brush it off so easily.
We have three very good AMs in Bona, Hakan and Suso. It's time Montella learned how to use them properly.
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 17 2017, 11:48 PM
Also back off thanks darling.
I'll say what i please.Back-off? I asked what was your problem with Montella's words. Control your manners.
Posted by: Danny Aug 18 2017, 01:49 AM
Calhanoglu has played his entire career as an advanced midfielder, so you can't brush it off so easily.
Uhhh, I'm not?
Nope, an advanced/attacking midfielder is a different role to trequartista. Kaka and Rui Costa were not advanced midfielders - they were trequartistas. I know the semantic definition is the same, but by that logic 'Forza Milan' in English means strength or 'force Milan', but of course that makes no sense in English or even Italian. Instead it means 'go' or 'come on' Milan etc. As you'll know.
If you want the difference - modern AM helps out in midfield and even defence - trequartistas only concerned themselves with the killer dribble or pass. None of Jack, Cal or Suso play anything like the Rui or Kaka role. And before you argue the case for Suso, he's a winger, not an AM. We have two AMs - Cal and Jack.
Advanced midfield didn't exist back in the day - actually I've no idea why the hell you're arguing this point when you bloody agreed with me a few weeks ago.
Posted by: Danny Aug 18 2017, 01:50 AM
In his defence you did sound hostile!
Posted by: Danny Aug 18 2017, 01:50 AM
I'm sure it'll happen again
Posted by: Ry4n Aug 18 2017, 02:05 AM
Your funny mate jog on thanks.
and i told you i have no problem with them. You need to calm down.
Posted by: han2503 Aug 18 2017, 08:50 AM
Regarding Conti, I think it's unfair to say that he did nothing when he was directly involved in 2 goals
Look at his 2 crosses which resulted in goals compared to the cross Abate made for the other goal. Abate just smashes it across the line (as he usually does) while Conti pulls off 2 smart cut-backs
I think he'll take some time to get used to playing in a back 4. He wasn't great but he's shown how effective he can be. I really do think we should go with 3 at the back once Romagnoli returns
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 18 2017, 09:05 AM
I tend to agree that a trequartista isn't just simply synonymous to an attacking midfielder. And well, who's better to judge then Montella when Çalhanoğlu is in question?
The problem with Çalhanoğlu is that he (at least this is what I remember from his HSV/Leverkusen days) tends to be nervous and lazy. He simply lacks the speed to play a modern trequartista, at least in the modern context. He might have done it for Leverkusen, but many fans agree that Çalhanoğlu actually better suits a deeper down midfield role. Now, this position is locked by Biglia and Monto, so I admit I'm a bit perplexed when it comes to the position Montella plans to deploy Çalhanoğlu, but...
Posted by: han2503 Aug 18 2017, 09:18 AM
The problem with �alhanoğlu is that he (at least this is what I remember from his HSV/Leverkusen days) tends to be nervous and lazy. He simply lacks the speed to play a modern trequartista, at least in the modern context. He might have done it for Leverkusen, but many fans agree that �alhanoğlu actually better suits a deeper down midfield role. Now, this position is locked by Biglia and Monto, so I admit I'm a bit perplexed when it comes to the position Montella plans to deploy �alhanoğlu, but...
I think he'd do well in the Seedorf role from when we played the 4-3-2-1 or he can play in the trequartista role if we play with 3 at the back
Anyway, I think trequartista and attacking midfielder are different in terms off how they're applied on the pitch as well. The 1 in the hole when playing a 4-3-1-2 is different to the middle player in the 3 behind the striker if a 4-2-3-1
I think Hakan can pull of the 2nd role but I'm sceptical if he could do it in the first.
With a 4-3-2-1 it's not as defined as a 4-3-1-2, I think Seedorf for example pulled that off but he could never really pull of the role Kaka played in the 4-3-1-2, he lacked the speed and instinct in and around the box
For me, i think the best systems we could play would be
4-2-3-1
Kessie--Biglia
Suso--Hakan--Bona
Silva/ST
4-3-2-1
Kessie--Biglia--Bona
Suso--Hakan
Silva/ST
3-4-1-2
Conti--Kessie--Biglia--Rodriguez
Hakan
Silva--ST
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 18 2017, 02:07 PM
A trequartista is somebody who plays behind the strikers. An attacking midfielder is somebody who plays behind the strikers. If you wanna get all bloody technical on the difference between the two then be my guest. But bear in mind that even if you search for Rui Costa or Kaka' on the internet they'll both be labeled as AMs, because trequartista is a term that's only used in Italy.
My point is that we do not lack an attacking midfielder, because both Bona and Hakan, and even Suso for that matter can play behind the strikers. Obviously Bona and Suso are more comfortable on the wings, whereas Hakan is more comfortable in the center. Hence why I think 4-2-3-1 is ideal in our case. Too bad Montella is too stubborn to realize that and keeps using his beloved 4-3-3.
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 18 2017, 02:08 PM
Oh god. I swear people get butthurt on these forums with the slightest comment.
Posted by: Ry4n Aug 18 2017, 03:02 PM
Posted by: Danny Aug 18 2017, 03:06 PM
I didn't! You weren't even talking to me
Posted by: Danny Aug 18 2017, 03:10 PM
Welcome to Milanfan
And also because those terms barely exist any more.
Bona is more comfortable on the wings? I wouldn't agree there.
Posted by: Ry4n Aug 18 2017, 03:42 PM
collateral damage
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 18 2017, 04:29 PM
In an attacking position? Yes. Never really seen him play as AM behind the strikers. He was either the left winger in Atalanta's 4-4-2 or in our 4-3-3.
I guess you're arguing if he's more comfortable in midfield or attack. That's debatable, because Jack is a very versatile player that can play anywhere you put him. But since we want Montella to drop the 4-3-3 formation, then it only makes sense to play Jack on the left in the attacking midfield, with Suso on the right and Hakan behind the striker. Catch my drift?
Posted by: han2503 Aug 19 2017, 08:14 AM
He's definitely more comfortable in wider areas rather than centrally
Posted by: Danny Aug 19 2017, 10:55 AM
I'd argue he's more comfortable with the freedom to choose. Don't restrict him to either and he knows where to be useful at any given time.
Posted by: han2503 Aug 19 2017, 12:42 PM
For me, he's more effective when starting wide and cutting in. He tends to get lost in the shuffle when starting from more central areas imo
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 19 2017, 12:58 PM
Crotone topic anyone?
Posted by: han2503 Aug 19 2017, 12:59 PM
Will do
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Aug 19 2017, 06:14 PM
DO IT!!! YESTERDAY YOU SAID TOMORROW. NO MORE.
Posted by: Forza Milan! Aug 23 2017, 03:51 PM
How 'bout a thread for the 2nd leg?
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 23 2017, 08:31 PM
So Mediaset says we could play 3-5-2 tomorrow:
Zapata - Bonucci - Romagnoli
Calabria - Mauri - Locatelli - Zanellato - Antonelli
Cutrone - Borini
For god's sake can we please bench Borini for once? At least now that we're playing with two strikers play Cutrone and Silva together. Borini is seriously becoming the new Muntari. Or the new Niang.
Posted by: Danny Aug 23 2017, 09:00 PM
Just because you don't like him doesn't mean he shouldn't play.
I'm not a fan either but he did himself no harm in the past two matches.
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 23 2017, 09:17 PM
I'm not a fan either but he did himself no harm in the past two matches.
Against Shkëndija and a 10-man Crotone.
In fact, a game like this is perfect to play him. I'm just worried that he'll become a Montella favorite and will play in big games, too.
And no, it's not because I don't like him, it's because he's not good. You should know that.
Posted by: Danny Aug 24 2017, 01:18 AM
Yet when I point out 40M Bonucci underwhelmed in these two ignominious matches, a chunk on here dismiss it? Why does the opponent matter when it's Borini, but not when it's Bonucci?
And no, it's not because I don't like him, it's because he's not good. You should know that.
He's average. But in the competitive matches he's played, he's been adequate. And apparently that's been enough - including in defence
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 24 2017, 08:21 AM
Because I don't think Bonucci underwhelmed like you say.
Nah, I would label Kalinic as average. Borini enters more into the bad category.
Posted by: han2503 Aug 24 2017, 04:56 PM
Borini has had years of sucking while Bonucci has had over 6 years of playing top class football. Is there even a reason why you're mentioning the two in the same sentence?
Posted by: han2503 Aug 24 2017, 06:43 PM
Milan XI: Storari; Zapata, Bonucci, Romagnoli; Calabria, Zanellato, Locatelli, Mauri, Antonelli; Cutrone, André Silva
Posted by: Ry4n Aug 24 2017, 07:47 PM
2-0 FT predict.
Posted by: milanbuf88 Aug 24 2017, 07:59 PM
Cutrone!! Nice pass from Locatelli too!
Posted by: han2503 Aug 24 2017, 07:59 PM
Cutrone 1-0
Posted by: Ry4n Aug 24 2017, 08:14 PM
anyone got any bets going on this game ?
Posted by: han2503 Aug 24 2017, 08:20 PM
Antonelli and Mauri...
Posted by: han2503 Aug 24 2017, 08:21 PM
Nope. Never bet on my own team
Posted by: han2503 Aug 24 2017, 08:21 PM
Btw, why are we talking in this thread? We have a 2nd leg thread
Posted by: Ry4n Aug 24 2017, 08:22 PM
I have no idea i didnt even check the title.
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