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Posted by: Portman Aug 31 2010, 04:48 PM
He's in. Bem-vindo Robinho!
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Aug 31 2010, 04:49 PM
Welcome!!!!
Posted by: acid911 Aug 31 2010, 04:51 PM
Welcome to Milan! 
Now let's win something this season. 
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 31 2010, 04:52 PM
Welcome champion! A player I've always admired. 
Posted by: d'Arc.LP Aug 31 2010, 04:53 PM
Welcome Robinho.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Aug 31 2010, 04:54 PM
Welcome!!
Posted by: samira Aug 31 2010, 04:55 PM
Welcome Robinho!
Posted by: anano1214 Aug 31 2010, 05:19 PM
welcome
Posted by: Fishdoll Aug 31 2010, 05:20 PM
Meh.
Forzamilanandwelcome, I guess.
Posted by: d'Arc.LP Aug 31 2010, 05:23 PM
Posted by: elcordobez Aug 31 2010, 05:23 PM
So now it's done
who do you think will get no.11 ?
Posted by: samira Aug 31 2010, 05:42 PM
what is zlatan getting?
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Aug 31 2010, 05:47 PM
WTF ?! 
Hey !!
Posted by: Fishdoll Aug 31 2010, 05:49 PM
Hi, R7! 
Posted by: Ry4n Aug 31 2010, 05:49 PM
He better track back like Ronnie did in the Lecce game or im gunna kick the TV !!!
oh and welcome !! 
Posted by: milan00047 Aug 31 2010, 05:49 PM
Wow! Milan have the best transfer window of all biggies.... Prince, Zlatan and now Robinho.... i can see Wembley already
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 31 2010, 06:30 PM
If you saw Brazil's games in the WC, you'd know the guy tracks back a lot.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Aug 31 2010, 06:33 PM
He might take a year to get used to Serie A. Just like R80 did. So let's not expect a million pedaladas per minute. Even if he ends up being our version of Quaresma I don't care. Let it no be said the board came up short.
We've got a team for the next 4 years....all barring a fullback. Just keep that youth factory pumping Uncle Fez. 
Posted by: Ry4n Aug 31 2010, 06:39 PM
i watch alot of games and ive come to the conclusion he does'nt but other then that his attitude is all wrong , in which im hoping Gattuso keeps him in check every game
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 31 2010, 06:41 PM
We've got a team for the next 4 years....all barring a fullback. Just keep that youth factory pumping Uncle Fez.
Dude, Robinho and Quaresma are light years apart. I'm positive he'll shine with us just like he did in Madrid.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Aug 31 2010, 06:42 PM
I'm flying a million feet in space right now!! Excuse me for trying to come back down to earth!!! 
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 31 2010, 06:57 PM
Welcome
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 31 2010, 06:57 PM
The official website update the players section including Robinho (and removing Kaladze, Borriello and Huntelaar).
http://www.acmilan.com/LM_Team_Roster.aspx
I'm hoping Thiago gets #4 now, Ibra #11 and Robinho #12/#22.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Aug 31 2010, 07:04 PM
http://www.acmilan.com/LM_Team_Roster.aspx
I'm hoping Thiago gets #4 now, Ibra #11 and Robinho #12/#22.
I just realised if the players so chose..our front line could look like...
-----------#81-----------
----#80----- #89----------#84
That would be just weird and in a way awesome.
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 31 2010, 07:04 PM
Galliani said to Sky that Robinho cost us 18m plus bonuses. He also revealed that Ibra will be wearing #11 and Robinho #70.
http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/Calciomercato/31-08-2010/borriello-robinho-ora-71974837053.shtml
Why f@cking 70??? Why can't people choose normal numbers these days? 
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 31 2010, 07:06 PM
Exactly. Back then when you had an old fashionde 1-11 team and a generalo roster of maybe 1-32 or 34.
Posted by: agenth Aug 31 2010, 07:16 PM
hey there Porti!
haven't seen you since a long time
and you bring great news!
I just hope we can deal with all the testosterone HAHA
Posted by: Zed.D Aug 31 2010, 07:49 PM
I'm not his biggest fan but I do rate him as footballer. especially after his World Cup showing. it'll be interesting to see if he can manage to survive in Serie A (he's physically weak).
Welcome Binho!
Posted by: han2503 Aug 31 2010, 09:03 PM
We've got a team for the next 4 years....all barring a fullback. Just keep that youth factory pumping Uncle Fez.
Well Robinho has actually had a great season at a big club, something that Quaresma never managed to achieve.
Robinho excelled best under Capello imo, his final year there when they won the league, he needs discipline. He's too good to fail imo, but if Allegri lets him do what he pleases then he will become a problem. Which is my biggest worry.
Comparing him to Ronaldinho is wrong imo, as the 2 have completely different personalties. Yes Ronnie likes to party, but he's not an egomaniac either, his first season he got benched by Carlo for nearly half of it, and didn't even say one word to the media that wasn't positve about the club and how he needs to fight for his place. Robinho will be a whole different stroy.
Posted by: Portman Aug 31 2010, 09:29 PM
http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/Calciomercato/31-08-2010/borriello-robinho-ora-71974837053.shtml
Why f@cking 70??? Why can't people choose normal numbers these days?
Robinho likes #7, as #77 is already taken he took #70.
Ibra suits the #11.
The price is ok knowing how much City paid Real Madrid couple years ago for him.
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Aug 31 2010, 10:58 PM
Robinho in Milan - 31/08/2010
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0KJa4E_VNs
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Aug 31 2010, 11:07 PM
I still cant get this out of my mind !!
Ronaldinho, Pato, Zlatan, Robinho, Inzaghi ... If we don't win something this season Alegri is gonna hang !
Posted by: Tennie Aug 31 2010, 11:09 PM
(Zambrotta, Oddo, Abate, Bonera).
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Aug 31 2010, 11:11 PM
Nice response... So optimistic! lol
EDIT: So what do you think are our chances of getting a more solid RB in January?
Do you think they will revert to their 'we are fine as we are' statements?
Or will they take this opportunity to further reinforce the side when possible?
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Aug 31 2010, 11:12 PM
Robinho...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BngjmCLGAdY
And another - Amazing Goal..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tElP8K7W8aU
Posted by: Tennie Aug 31 2010, 11:17 PM
I think the club will get to sponsor any fullback purchases so....we're fine as we are. Sadly.
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 31 2010, 11:36 PM
I'd rather us be as we currently are than signing two good fullbacks and playing with Borriello and Huntelaar.
Posted by: Tennie Aug 31 2010, 11:39 PM
I'd rather have Borriello than a petulant striker who has pitched fits at every european club he's played for.
Posted by: Ry4n Aug 31 2010, 11:53 PM
couldnt say it better in one sentence my self its sad but true thats what the kid is like....i wouldve liked Srna or Dominico Cristico i think Srna would come for the same price we got Robinho for , im hoping every time someone ***** fits in the milan tunnel or dressing room there is Gattuso to slap them in the face and tell them get back in the game
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 31 2010, 11:54 PM
Time will prove you wrong.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 1 2010, 12:01 AM
Well Robinho does have a terrible track record with attitude problems, do I think we'll be able to handle him, I don't know, for his sake and ours I sure hope so. He knows this is probably his last chance at playing for a top European team, and he can't afford to screw it up.
Man City was always going to be a disaster. And at Real he forced the move after being basically treated like cr@p by their management because they were salivating at the idea of getting C.Ronaldo and when Fergie wouldn't budge they stopped trying to shove Robinho out, so by that time the damage was already done.
We'll see how he copes wih not being a regular starter first. But with the schedule coming up after the International Break he'll get plenty of time to prove his worth.
Would a fullback have been more wise? Imo we needed both a fullback and a Dinho/Pato backup desperately. We didn't get the fullback and got a potential ticking time bomb in Robinho, we'll see if it blows up in our face in due time
Posted by: Tennie Sep 1 2010, 12:01 AM
If it does, I'll happily admit I was wrong. However, if it does not, you get to apologize. Deal?
Posted by: han2503 Sep 1 2010, 12:07 AM
I'll save these posts for future reference
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 1 2010, 12:26 AM
Deal.
Posted by: Super_Pippo Sep 1 2010, 12:55 AM
Terrible waste of money. We had enough strikers already, and Silvio decides to blow it again and spend tons of vital cash on an unnecessary element of the team. We have Pato, Ronaldinho can play striker and as attacking midfielder or winger, Borriello (on loan at Roma), and of course Ibrahimovic. Filippo Inzaghi is still alive and kicking on the pitch, he scored a beautiful UCL volley goal the other day, so he's a very good backup even though he can't stay on for too long anymore.
Anyway, my point is that Berlusconi should have focused more on improving the defense rather than the attack. And honestly, I would have been happy enough to keep Huntelaar instead of bringing in Robinho for so much money... sure, he's good, but I still don't think it was necessary at all...
Posted by: Dracoris Sep 1 2010, 02:03 AM
Maybe Montelongo will end up being sick nasty. They couldn't have just bought him for the fun of it.
Posted by: Linkman Sep 1 2010, 03:17 AM
Psst guys, don't call him Binho. It's either Robo or Robbers!
Welcome to him!
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 1 2010, 03:36 AM
What about HasBinho?
In all seriousness, I just hope he shows more effort than he did at Middle-Eastlands.
Posted by: elcordobez Sep 1 2010, 05:19 AM
In all seriousness, I just hope he shows more effort than he did at Middle-Eastlands.
That's what we're all hoping i think.
He's the type that could be all sizzle but no sausage.
Posted by: MizNelson Sep 1 2010, 05:21 AM
My favorite.
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Sep 1 2010, 05:31 AM
In all seriousness, I just hope he shows more effort than he did at Middle-Eastlands.
Time will definitely tell what he is capable of...
Posted by: Caraliciously Sep 1 2010, 02:27 PM
Get him motivated and you will get your moneys worth and ALOT more. I have a positive feeling that Ronnie can be a good influence and otherwise Ibra can scare him into submission!
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 1 2010, 11:25 PM
Borriello had his problems also prior to joining. I'm willing to give Robinho the same chance like every new player should be granted. After all Milan has a special effect on players even Real and especially City cannot provide.
Posted by: vnata001 Sep 2 2010, 12:29 AM
exactly this.
Robinho's club career has been a mismanaged one, and a classic example of why if you are young, stay away from Madrid. They don't embrace their players until they've proven themselves. and if you're young, and amongst Galacticos, then how can you possibly succeed instantly (history repeating itself with Benzema currently?). He showed signs of breaking out (for Brazil he started becoming a protagonist off of his Copa America 07 performances, and his last season for the club he was 2nd in scoring and assists for the team, despite not playing consistently). But Madrid just used his rising stock to try and leverage a move for C-Ron. R9 is gone, so Robinho realizes the club he thought he was going to actually wasn't, and bounced anywhere he could.
Man City is also a cold place (pun intended - both the team camaraderie and weather matter for fun&sun-loving Robinho!). Sure, he had a huge price tag. But he lived up to it at first, hitting 15 goals on a mediocre team. Then next season, after an injury, without consistent playing time, he's criticized for not immediately banging in hattricks (expectation and criticism thank to his price-tag and media hype). Elano's gone. He doesn't see his future at Man City, wants out. He takes the English media wrap for being a problem-child, flop.
The truth is though, is that Robinho, a massively talented player, was at these clubs at a time when they were unstable, and not necessarily good incubators for his talents.
Santos is the only club where Robinho has felt like he was actually valued at the club, and has grown into his role there. and look how he performs there. For the Brazil NT, Robinho feels important, and excels, undisputedly so.
Milan represents the kind of environment that players like him rehabilitate in. Seedorf and Pirlo blossomed here after criticism. So did R99 pre-reinjury. Beckham fit in seamlessly and proved his worth after being written off. Ronaldinho's done the same.
Also, Robinho's arrival to this club is not a HUGE money situation. He was a bargain buy. He's 26/27, thinking about being the centerpiece superstar veteran of Brazil 2014. He's even more motivated than say a 29 yr old Ibra. Pato being here is all the more reason for Robinho to commit to the club. Dinho's proven he can be a hit at Milan if he follows his lead. Robinho knows that he's coming into a team where there won't necessarily be the intense, overbearing pressure on him to succeed immediately. Players always feel a sense of calm playing for us, unlike the stresses of Madrid and England.
If we are to maximize the potential of our 'cut price Galacticos', it'll be because of the AC Milan environment. It'll be because Allegri's nonchalant, pragmatic persona + shrewd tactics inspires confidence in our team. and players like Rino, Ambro, Dinho, Clarence, Nesta, Thiago, Antonini, Zambro (the core from the team that grew together last year) all lead by example - by continuing to play with hunger, not with entitlement like we did under Carlo.
If we keep the unity of the team, but turn up the intensity both vocally/physically (Rino, Ambro, Dinho, Clarence), Boateng's fiery hunger could feed into it, and Zlatan and Robinho will feel they have something to prove to Milan.
Posted by: MizNelson Sep 2 2010, 01:28 AM
Exactly, which is why I'm not drinking the Kool-Aid of going crazy on cue over the arrivals of him and Ibra.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 2 2010, 02:30 AM
The main criticism was not that he was a child, it was more the fact that away from home he may as well have not turned up. At home he was great, scored a few hat-tricks and had some big games. Away from home he was just awful. He was an immediate target from the home fans and he never seemed to be able to cope with everyone being on his back and basically gave up trying in these games.
Posted by: Linkman Sep 2 2010, 02:48 AM
You think so Kurt? I do remember a few CL away games where he performed.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 2 2010, 08:53 AM
Kurt is talking about his Man City days.
At Real he had a very good final season, but like vnata said, Calderon was eager to push him out for C.Ron
Posted by: m1ke Sep 2 2010, 08:59 AM
Well, he's convinced me
Posted by: acid911 Sep 2 2010, 09:04 AM
Take the mod powers from Han and make vnata the new super mod!
Posted by: Danny Sep 2 2010, 03:28 PM
Late entrant to this thread but the signing of Robinho is a brilliant one - on his day he's absolutely world class, and will suit Milan and Serie A down to the ground.
I was absolutely delighted when this signing was confirmed.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 2 2010, 03:31 PM
I was absolutely delighted when this signing was confirmed.
No doubting his talent. But it's a question of whether he'll put it to good use or not.
Atm, we have 4 world class players for 3 positions. Imo that's a great thing, but if they let their ego's get in the way or Allegri cannot handle them we'll have a problem on our hands.
All 4 being played together is out of the question. So Allegri needs to find a system, that will keep them all happy.
Posted by: abanovac Sep 3 2010, 08:50 AM
Robinho got 70
Ibrahimovic got 11
Posted by: elcordobez Sep 28 2010, 01:04 AM
No Robinho news for a month?
I'll give the kid some love.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhsAtfjip4o
Want to point out from the few minutes he's been on the pitch,he worked as hard as anyone,tracking back when he lost the ball vs Genoa and genuinely trying to link up with Ronaldinho even though the formation puts them on opposite sides of the pitch,no fancy stuff just trying to be as direct as can be.Hopefully with the formation change + more training sessions they'll build the kind of chemistry to produce the kind of play still in my imagination.
Posted by: Bluesummers Sep 28 2010, 08:43 AM
should have taken that 18m and bought srna.
Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 28 2010, 01:17 PM
Why?
Posted by: Bluesummers Sep 28 2010, 09:50 PM
because srna could do more damage on this team as a fullback than robinho can playing up front as a winger.
He'd also cost less aswell.
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 28 2010, 11:07 PM
Srna for Robinho?? Blue, what drugs are you on?
Posted by: Bluesummers Sep 29 2010, 01:05 AM
watch srna play then you won't say that. He's one of the best fullbacks in the world.
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 29 2010, 01:41 AM
I've seen him play many times, but I'd never swap him for Robinho. The guy isn't in his best condition yet, but the time will come and we'll forget about ever having this conversation.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 29 2010, 01:20 PM
I'm with Blue, I think Srna would be more usefull for our team.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Sep 29 2010, 01:22 PM
Team has no width. None. Zero. Time to play a flat 4-4-1-1/4-5-1 with wingers. Seeing as how impotent our fullbacks are.
-------------------Ibra/Pippo---------------------
-----------Pato/Ibra-------------------------------
-R80/Rob--Ambro---Pirlo---KPB/Zee----Rob/Abate
---------------DEFENCE-----------------------------
Try man marking that piss ant Serie A sides!!! 
Posted by: Dracoris Sep 29 2010, 08:18 PM
-------------------Ibra/Pippo---------------------
-----------Pato/Ibra-------------------------------
-R80/Rob--Ambro---Pirlo---KPB/Zee----Rob/Abate
---------------DEFENCE-----------------------------
Try man marking that piss ant Serie A sides!!!
We'd be disqualified. 12 men on the field just wouldn't fly with the ref!
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 29 2010, 10:08 PM
Jack comes up with way too many weird formations. I knew it would eventually get to him.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Sep 30 2010, 04:43 AM
It's a 3 man defence. 
Wanted to see if you guys would miss out on it..the second time running. Guess everyone's not as high on acid..as well...acid!!
Posted by: acid911 Sep 30 2010, 08:16 AM
Yeah, well, when I saw this post yesterday, it came to my mind again. The 3-man defense thingy. If it was up to me, I'd stuff the mid and attack, and just put Paolo Maldini as a 1-man defense. He'll handle everything. And sub Nesta in if needed. Fantasy football at its best!
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 30 2010, 05:08 PM
But you said in the same post "time to play a flat 4-4-1-1/4-5-1 with wingers".
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Oct 1 2010, 06:15 AM
You are a smart man....I already mentioned I was trying to get the 12 man thing past the members twice.
It's nice to know people actually read AND think about my posts.
Posted by: Bluesummers Oct 1 2010, 07:13 AM
Posted by: X-Offender Oct 1 2010, 02:44 PM
That reminds me, some gay Italian TV star said there's a gay player in Juventus right now, playing somewhere between midfield and attack. But he also said there was a gay Milan player who doesn't play for Milan anymore. Could it be Kala?
Posted by: han2503 Oct 1 2010, 04:22 PM
Didn't he just have a kid? And any hints on the Juve guy?
Posted by: X-Offender Oct 1 2010, 05:09 PM
Between midfield and attack, that's your hint. I'm thinking of Marchisio.
Being married and having kids doesn't hide the fact someone might be gay though. People do it in order to cover the fact they're not straight.
Posted by: han2503 Oct 1 2010, 05:44 PM
Being married and having kids doesn't hide the fact someone might be gay though. People do it in order to cover the fact they're not straight.
I suppose it doesn't but I just really can't stand the fact that someone would have a child just to hide who you really are. And you don't usually get a model to help you do that, isn't Kaladze's wife/girlfriend a model?
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 2 2010, 10:52 AM
I don't think it's Kaladze. That would leave us to Dida, Favalli, Huntelaar or Borriello. I'd say it's Bori, maybe Dida.
Between attack and midfield? I'd say Quag.
But anyway,...
Posted by: han2503 Oct 2 2010, 11:37 AM
Between attack and midfield? I'd say Quag.
But anyway,...
No can't be Bori. Neither Favalli or Dida. Maybe the Hunter?
Posted by: Fishdoll Oct 2 2010, 11:38 AM
Gilardino. And Pepe.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 2 2010, 11:41 AM
Hmh,...would make sense.
Posted by: han2503 Oct 2 2010, 11:48 AM
FISH!!!
But isn't this about someone who left this summer?
Posted by: Fishdoll Oct 2 2010, 01:37 PM
Nope. At least not the versions of the story I read (on mediaset and eurosport).
PS -- Penguins! Pushed anyone into the ice recently?
Posted by: han2503 Oct 2 2010, 03:04 PM
PS -- Penguins! Pushed anyone into the ice recently?
Not recently
Posted by: vnata001 Oct 3 2010, 12:00 AM
Shoot, how did I not see this until now?! What say we make this happen!
Posted by: CHU-LIP Oct 3 2010, 12:11 PM
He'd also cost less aswell.
Good point. If that means we will have a different attacker in the squad (because of depth) I'm with you. We really need a quality fullback.
Posted by: han2503 Oct 3 2010, 12:37 PM
Isn't Srna a midfielder? I want a natural FB. I'm not evn asking for Maicon or Alves, but at least someone who can do their jobs decently.
Zambrotta is good enough but can only play a certain ammount of games, and if Allegri is really serious about the 4-3-1-2 then we need better FBs when it comes to pushing forward
Posted by: CHU-LIP Oct 3 2010, 12:43 PM
Zambrotta is good enough but can only play a certain ammount of games, and if Allegri is really serious about the 4-3-1-2 then we need better FBs when it comes to pushing forward
He can play both. It has been a while I've seen him play. But if he can play good as a rightback I'd have welcomed him. I really want us to play 4-3-1-2, and we really need to sign at least 1 fullback who is good in attacking.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Oct 3 2010, 01:35 PM
He's a player of Maicon/ Alves style. Attacking RB but also knows how to defend.
Posted by: X-Offender Oct 3 2010, 02:01 PM
Forget Srna, we should sign van der Wiel.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Oct 3 2010, 02:06 PM
I would be happy with either one of them. Also with Gareth Bale or Fabio Coentrao for the LB.
Posted by: acid911 Oct 3 2010, 02:19 PM
I was really hoping for one of Srna, Karasic, or van der Wiel this season. 
Any one would have added new dimension to our squad, and truth be told we really need it.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 3 2010, 03:38 PM
van der Wiel is half the player Srna is and he never will be. Srna is a good RB, but his offensive capabilities are great.
Posted by: X-Offender Oct 3 2010, 04:31 PM
The way you make him to be, Srna sounds like a top notch fullback. I wonder why he still plays at Shakhtar though.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 3 2010, 04:59 PM
Maybe because he's the captain of the team and is loyal?
And on what basis is van der Wiel a top notch fullback? He's a great prospect, nothing more or less.
Posted by: X-Offender Oct 3 2010, 05:06 PM
And on what basis is van der Wiel a top notch fullback? He's a great prospect, nothing more or less.
Yes, he's a great prospect, and that's what I think we should be looking for.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 3 2010, 05:10 PM
I'd be more carefull for that department. Milan always used experienced fullbacks rather then just prospects.
Posted by: Bluesummers Oct 4 2010, 04:31 AM
VDW?
He's so over hyped right now that he'll cost at least 20m when he's not even worth half of that.
Srna on the other hand is a fantastic fullback and is considered top 10 in the world and would come around 15-20m.
Prospects are great but this is Serie A and srna could easily give us 5-6 years of top notch football, while VDW we'll take at least 2 years to hit his peak.
Posted by: Bluesummers Oct 4 2010, 04:32 AM
Zambrotta is good enough but can only play a certain ammount of games, and if Allegri is really serious about the 4-3-1-2 then we need better FBs when it comes to pushing forward
He's a weird player. He has fantastic attacking capabilities as well as defensive. He's pretty equal in both departments.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 4 2010, 04:52 AM
I can't say I've really seen him play much but left winger supreme, Steven Gerrard, made a mess of him at Wembley when we played.
Posted by: Linkman Oct 4 2010, 05:46 AM
Then again it is Steven Gerrard. If the kid's young, it's understandable.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 4 2010, 06:09 AM
Gerrard is a crap left winger and Srna is pushing 30.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 4 2010, 10:18 AM
Well, that's one match Kurt. I've seen almost everyone getting owned by someone once. Srna is quality, I'm sure of it.
Posted by: mkenya Oct 4 2010, 11:30 AM
How about trying boateng as full back? I think he can make good runs..
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 4 2010, 11:53 AM
I don't think so. It sounds even worse then Abate. Flamini would be my pick.
Posted by: han2503 Oct 4 2010, 02:43 PM
Flamini can't cross though. Plus he's really not a FB. I want someone who's naturally one. No more wingers playing there, top teams have at least FBs good enough to do their jobs, we lack that on both sides imo. Anatonini and Zambrotta both have their cons, 1 of them because he's getting older while Anatonini is playing with his weaker foot
Posted by: X-Offender Oct 4 2010, 04:29 PM
I got the feeling a new FB is coming in January. Just a hunch.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 4 2010, 11:32 PM
Oh gee, that would be something! But a real one, not some kind of kid-loan-deal from Brazil like Mattioli.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Oct 5 2010, 06:06 AM
Ahem..Mattioni!
Posted by: Bluesummers Oct 5 2010, 06:50 PM
Montelongo was our new fb.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Oct 6 2010, 06:19 AM
Really? That's why he's played the grand total of 0 league matches.
Any way of finding out what's the story on that kid Bruno?
Posted by: X-Offender Oct 6 2010, 01:28 PM
Any way of finding out what's the story on that kid Bruno?
The same story of Grimi, Cardacio, Viudez, Mattioni and co.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Oct 6 2010, 01:42 PM
Well that's a worst case scenario...but otherwise? I mean I don't put out the possibility that Milan has decided that Bruno won't amount to much...as a result of which these rumours being spread out are just to hike his price when he does get sold.
But he's been playing with the reserves and all right? Someone must have seen him play..and the reserve coach might have talked about his performance..
Posted by: X-Offender Oct 6 2010, 02:02 PM
Dude, if he really was Milan material, he'd be a sure starter by now.
Posted by: han2503 Oct 6 2010, 04:21 PM
So true. We really don't have stellar FBs. It would be understandable if we had Maicon and A. Cole to get past. But come on! We all know the kid is another useless S. American transfer and that he'll end up going back to where he came from or loaned out
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 9 2010, 09:15 AM
Man, the chance he missed against Bari are simply unbelivable! I don't know how to use him anymore, I mean, how much good could he bring against much better teams like Roma or Inter??
Han's telling Pippo misses 8 out of 9 chances, but this guy...the Bari game isn't just an isolated chase, he's all season long wasting pretty much everything he gets. And also creates very very little. What a flop.
Posted by: acid911 Nov 9 2010, 03:47 PM
I'm with you Fillipo. Robin's performances have been little more than average up till now. B- from me.
Posted by: William405 Nov 9 2010, 07:17 PM
I can give him more time,some players need seasons to adopt to the serie A.His finishing hasn't been top notch lately,he was much better when I saw him with Brazil
Posted by: acid911 Nov 9 2010, 07:22 PM
But he's always better when he is with Brazil, William. 
I have rarely seen him translate that form to the club scene. Looks like we got ourselves another Podolski. Yes, give him more time, but I just hope is up for the challenge, we did spend good money to get him here.
Posted by: han2503 Nov 9 2010, 07:56 PM
I have rarely seen him translate that form to the club scene. Looks like we got ourselves another Podolski. Yes, give him more time, but I just hope is up for the challenge, we did spend good money to get him here.Well it's only been a few months...
His overall performances imo have been good, he gets into good positions, knows how to run into space, imo far better then Pato, who seems to get stuck on the wing. The finishing however has been p!ss poor. Hopefully it's just form related.
Posted by: X-Offender Nov 10 2010, 12:40 AM
Exactly. The guy only lacks concentration in front of goal. His misses against Bari were disgraceful and hard to believe for a player of his caliber, but I'm pretty sure he'll get back on track and score some goals. I still blindly believe in him.
Posted by: acid911 Nov 10 2010, 01:55 AM
Oh well, can't say I disagree. However, I am of the view that we should probably have brought Paloschi back and invested the 18 or so million for Robinho on say two players that we actually needed. You know spend 10 on one player, and 8 on another. Or heck, throw in another few and get someone else.
I love Brazilian football and a lot of players from there, but this guy never cut it for me since the first time I saw him. For me he never had that prime quality that players before him (who wore the numbers 9 and 10) had. Now that he is here, though, I want him to do well, for the club's sake.
PS. X, his misses against Bari were hard to believe, not disgraceful. The one he missed in the CL game was!
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Nov 11 2010, 01:25 AM
What about the supposedly 'sure' to be goal against Palermo that he screwed up for Zlatan with a short pass. 
That was rather umm... unexpected at a professional level.
(Shameful really - Oh well hopefully he just needs some time and confidence)
End this post on this note 'Robinho! - Shape up!! OR Ship OUT!!!'
Posted by: X-Offender Nov 11 2010, 02:05 AM
The guy seems to have forgotten how to kick a ball. He tried his best not score the third goal, shooting it directly to Sirigu, who for our luck couldn't stop it properly.
Posted by: acid911 Nov 11 2010, 02:52 AM
Agreed, guys. He got two nice goals, missed a mouthful of chances, and well the way he passed (or tried to pass that to Ibra) is what is the real concern here. Robinho is taking things very easy here, there is no intensity in his game. That's not good at all.
Posted by: Dracoris Nov 11 2010, 06:07 AM
He also needs a new celebration.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Nov 11 2010, 06:40 AM
^^I found this funny!!!
Posted by: acid911 Nov 11 2010, 10:02 AM
Boy you can say that again!
Worst celebration ever. One of the worst, yeah!
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Nov 11 2010, 10:36 AM
And Ibra still couldn't resist aiming a taekwondo kick at 'pregnant Robinho'.
Posted by: Zed.D Nov 11 2010, 02:22 PM
Do you take pride in that?
I'm not sure but it looked to me like his shot was going out! in which case it was a Sirigu OG
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 11 2010, 02:29 PM
I don't know, but Robinho has serious problems. I hope that goal gives him confidence, even if it isn't exactly the issue. His attitude is.
Posted by: CHU-LIP Nov 11 2010, 03:22 PM
I actually think his main issue is his finishing, hopefully that one (easy) goal creates a magic difference in his finishing.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 11 2010, 03:30 PM
Finishing - yes. But the attitude problem is connected. Against Bari he already missed a 100% chance when he tried out a dip shot while in fact he could have normally scored. That tells you he had no remorse for the missed oppotunites before.
Posted by: CHU-LIP Nov 11 2010, 03:43 PM
Oh, I see. Now I am following you better. You might have a point, but still IMO it can't be just attitude. He really shoots awful this season. Let's hope it's temperary, because it's an important thing for his playing position.
Posted by: X-Offender Nov 11 2010, 03:46 PM
I've wanted Robinho at Milan for a very long time, because I've always admired him as a player. So there's no point for me to stop believing in him now that we finally got him.
Posted by: Suhail 3 Nov 11 2010, 05:24 PM
aye and hes only what 25-26 has alot of qualities especially his pace and creativity, always get in them positions. At the very least he has more of a future at milan than dinho
Posted by: han2503 Nov 11 2010, 07:24 PM
Completely different thing, Robinho is in his prime years while Dinho is in the twilight. Robinho for all that talent won't ever reach the heights that Dinho or other Brazilians have. And I'm talking about Brazilians who have tried really hard to f@ck up their careers at every possible opportunity they got.
Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, etc ruined themselves, Ronaldo more so, but they only let that happen after they had achieved absolutely everything they could in their careers, Robinho has achieved half that and is already seeming to be resting on his laurels. I watch him for Club and Country and he seems to have a mental block when it comes to the do or die moments
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Nov 12 2010, 07:17 AM
I'm telling you. Change Milan's jersey to yellow..and watch him win 3 Golden Balls in a row.
Posted by: Ry4n Nov 12 2010, 08:27 AM
He's just plain lazy and has a careless attitude and in Serie A you have to take your chances as defences in this league are very tight you might not get another you have to be one of not wasting opportunities especially at Bari oh and the lack luster pass to Ibra for that would have capped of a good night for Ibra. Hes a great player and im happy hes at Milan but get your butt in gear your still young alot still too win !!!!
Posted by: Ry4n Nov 12 2010, 08:28 AM
+100
Posted by: nuh Dec 27 2010, 12:47 PM
Robinho is really starting to jell in here
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jan 3 2011, 08:07 AM
Any update on the extent of his injury ?
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Jan 3 2011, 08:31 AM
I haven't seen anything as yet.
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Jan 25 2011, 05:24 PM
HAPPY 27th BIRTHDAY ROBINHO!!!
Posted by: amancik Jan 25 2011, 05:52 PM
He's 27 already?
Posted by: dst Jan 25 2011, 07:13 PM
I myself thought he was older, thinking about the teams he's gone to and left already.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jan 26 2011, 11:24 AM
Well, he's done that on regular basis so it made you think he's older...
Posted by: X-Offender Jan 26 2011, 07:41 PM
Translation agencies. You gotta love them.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jan 26 2011, 08:47 PM
What?
Posted by: acid911 Jan 26 2011, 09:08 PM
Well there was a spam post here (that was rightly deleted) cleverly advertising "Translation Agencies".
As you can see from the screenshot below, on-topic yes, but spam nonetheless, hence X-Off's comment. Lookie, lookie:
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jan 26 2011, 09:20 PM
Oh, that makes sense now. Thankyou!
Posted by: X-Offender Jan 26 2011, 09:31 PM
Posted by: acid911 Jan 26 2011, 09:39 PM
Nothing to it.
I too get an urge to reply some witty comments every time I see a spammer, but it really is a futile exercise, some are human spammers but most are bots. And frankly I hate them. They are a waste of bandwidth and human cells. If you want to promote yourself, you can actively participate in the community and maybe put your website URL in your signature.But troubling other members (and more importantly the moderators of a particular forum) is just not on!
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Jan 26 2011, 11:36 PM
Ah I deleted that clown, sorry for the confusion!
Posted by: acid911 Jan 27 2011, 03:53 AM
Haha, in fact we should be thanking you for the job well done.
Love the way you clean house, in fact, your secondary nick name should be: Terminators Are Brilliant. These clowns deserve capital punishment (well almost, capital punishment).There are a few spammers here, but at various other (particularly tech) forums I frequent there's an army of them!
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Jan 27 2011, 09:58 AM
Love the way you clean house, in fact, your secondary nick name should be: Terminators Are Brilliant. These clowns deserve capital punishment (well almost, capital punishment).There are a few spammers here, but at various other (particularly tech) forums I frequent there's an army of them!
It's the high class moderators on this forum
Posted by: acid911 Jan 27 2011, 01:49 PM
So true! I am sure football spammers are a dime a dozen, so good job all round keeping things maintained.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Apr 4 2011, 10:20 PM
I'm sorry to repeat myself over and over again, but this man really isn't Milan quality. His work rate is very good, but what is it worth for when his finishing is at Serie B level? Sorry, but Milan cannot count on him in long term relations with such performances. God saved us against Inter with a brilliant Pato, but such chance wasting in a derby match against Inter should be inexcusable.
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Apr 4 2011, 10:29 PM
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If there is a silver lining to the whole Robinho being useless at basic aiming. Allegri called him out on it publically on being so wasteful after the derby. It's good to see Allegri settling down as coach and calling out some of the bigger name players.
Posted by: X-Offender Apr 5 2011, 02:38 AM
He's not Milan quality simply because his finishing sucks? That's something that can be fixed with basic training. It's the qualities of the player that matter.
Posted by: dst Apr 5 2011, 10:44 AM
Basic training? He's 27 I assume he has had some basic training by now...
It's certainly not a matter of training and he can't get better... I have not seen anyone that was such a bad finisher become significantly better. it's not a matter of whether he can aim, it's a matter of whether he can keep his cool when he's having a good chance to score... and he looks like a 15 year old who's in front of goal for the first time!
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Apr 5 2011, 11:09 AM
+1. I think in some ways he's still that young kid from Santos. Even the stubble can't hide his babyface.
Posted by: acid911 Apr 5 2011, 12:49 PM
Classic dst.
+2.
If the guy can't finish maybe he should try to set more goals up most of the time he gets a chance. If we put this type of finishing up against United, Barca, Madrid, and friends, we are going to get hit hard where it hurts like no other.
Posted by: CHU-LIP Apr 5 2011, 01:36 PM
If the guy can't finish maybe he should try to set more goals up most of the time he gets a chance. If we put this type of finishing up against United, Barca, Madrid, and friends, we are going to get hit hard where it hurts like no other.But he won't be our main striker... Pato or Zlatan should be... for example look at the derby last weekend... he makes our team better and also Pato who more likely will score... look: two goals vs Inter... with Robinho, and Boateng as AM... and earlier... I loved our Zlatan + Robinho attack, again one main striker and Robinho being the other... not three forwards, no, just two... problem kinda having both Pato and Zlatan, while I only want one to play... when both play Pato won't be the main striker and he won't be as good as he can be... maybe Zlatan should leave in Summer since I prefer to keep Pato, and sign a forward who either doesn't necessary has to start or can play a supporting role like Robinho (also)... there is more you need than scoring abilities, and that's what Robinho offers.
In CL (since you mention those teams) I hoped we played with Pato and Robinho up front, and no Zlatan, who fails in CL anyway... I believe we would have been better with Pato as our main striker in CL supported by Robinho (and Boateng)... look at Spurs, two games, zero goals... and we played with both Pato and Zlatan, our two goalscoring players and not so little, shows there is more needed than scoring, and also Robinho played, we played with three forwards, no goals though... no, three forwards not necessary means more goals... are you reading this, han? Addiction to my previous post in Fiorentina match thread.
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Apr 5 2011, 05:22 PM
Like not taking basic training seriously for a year...
i hate how people get bedazzled by his dribbles and ignore other, more vital aspects of a striker.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Apr 5 2011, 07:11 PM
But he isn't a striker. For lack of a better word, he seems to be our attacking water-carrier. I'm gonna patent this term. I think in the next 10 years this will become a crucial position. Like how the deep lying playmaker became big over the last decade.
Posted by: acid911 Apr 5 2011, 11:05 PM
In CL (since you mention those teams) I hoped we played with Pato and Robinho up front, and no Zlatan, who fails in CL anyway... I believe we would have been better with Pato as our main striker in CL supported by Robinho (and Boateng)... look at Spurs, two games, zero goals... and we played with both Pato and Zlatan, our two goalscoring players and not so little, shows there is more needed than scoring, and also Robinho played, we played with three forwards, no goals though... no, three forwards not necessary means more goals... are you reading this, han? Addiction to my previous post in Fiorentina match thread.
Can't say I agree with all of them, but fair enough points.
I personally consider the guy a forward, a part of the attack, if not an all out striker. And if he has an opportunity to score then he should. Just like when R80 was here, I can count a whole bunch of chances that he could have put in if he took the shot. But oh well.
Posted by: Zed.D Apr 6 2011, 09:53 AM
Exactly. I don't think just because "he's not a striker" it means it's justified when he screws up all those 1on1's. I think the fact he finds himself all alone in front of the goal so many times only means that he is a striker and should put them in more than he does.
Posted by: acid911 Apr 6 2011, 10:18 AM
Agreed, Zed. It's the job of our attacking three to score goals, the midfielders can help if they can, but that is not something that is required of them. Few would blame if KPB, Seedorf, Flamini, Bommel, Pirlo and others can't score, but if either of Pato, Ibra or Robinho are going t miss, then fingers will be raised and pointed.
Posted by: X-Offender Apr 6 2011, 02:05 PM
It's certainly not a matter of training and he can't get better... I have not seen anyone that was such a bad finisher become significantly better. it's not a matter of whether he can aim, it's a matter of whether he can keep his cool when he's having a good chance to score... and he looks like a 15 year old who's in front of goal for the first time!
Well, his finishing hasn't been so bad in the past. He's always known how to score. It's just this period with Milan that he's lost some of that spark. Personally, I think Robinho is capable of much more than what we've seen of him so far.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Apr 6 2011, 04:31 PM
Yeah, but he's gotta move fast now. It's not like he's 19 anymore.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 7 2011, 06:32 AM
I agree .. Robinho seems to lack confidence when faced with the goal, he had misfired more shots that he had scored by a huge margin .. That said, he is an important tactical player .. He moves into channels, opens space for his team-mates, brings the midfield into the attacking-fold on most occasions, has understood Italian football in just his first season, and most importantly he keeps on going forward with confidence despite him squandering dozens of chances.
Posted by: Ry4n Apr 7 2011, 09:28 AM
Posted by: X-Offender Apr 7 2011, 05:41 PM
Agreed. Eto'o was nowhere near as devastating last season with Inter as he's been this season. He scored only 16 goals in 47 games. I think Robinho has adapted very well to Italian football. By next season, I expect him to return the world class player we admired in Madrid and Brazil.
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Apr 7 2011, 07:43 PM
Didn't Eto'o play quite a bit wide on the wing? Or was that for international level. I've genuinely forgot.
Posted by: CHU-LIP Apr 7 2011, 07:57 PM
He did, yes.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Apr 7 2011, 08:18 PM
Indeed. Not a good example for comparison.
Posted by: X-Offender Apr 8 2011, 12:44 AM
Oh, and he hasn't been playing wide this season? The position matters little. It's the form that counts. The dynamism and agility that Eto'o has this season was nowhere to be seen last season. He needed time to adapt. Same argument for Robinho.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Apr 8 2011, 07:56 AM
But the when Pato comes along, position matters again, right?
I don't agree with you because Eto'o wasn't that poor in finishing last season, he never had that kind of basic problems. And anyway, even if it is just a question of adaptation, I hope he does it soon because it eventually will grow into a mental problem.
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Apr 8 2011, 01:33 PM
I was just asking, I'm not against Robinho and I was when we first got him. I think he offers us something that our other players don't (no jokes about missing open goals etc..!).
Though, I would say the position matters if we are talking about goalscoring credentials.
Posted by: X-Offender Apr 8 2011, 03:27 PM
I just brought up the argument of the goals to strengthen my point, don't take it as primary evidence. My point is that we should give Robinho some more time before we give a proper judgment on his capabilities. Like Eto'o has become Inter's leader this season, Robinho could turn into a very important player for us next season. Including his finishing getting better.
Posted by: acid911 Apr 8 2011, 09:02 PM
Agreed. But my only fear is that there is a massive gap between Eto'o and Robinho. One is a proven winner and a total douche, the other is just a total douche. In case this hasn't been evident from my posts, it's all in the brain when it comes to Robinho IMO - there is no doubting his talent or his drive/spirit that he displayed this past few months. As much as he has done and run for us this season, it only takes a few bad weeks for players like Robinho to fall off the tracks.
Fingers crossed nothing like this happens anytime soon, and if it doesn't, then we could be in for a good year or two!
Posted by: CHU-LIP Apr 8 2011, 09:25 PM
Robinho is a very important player for us already this season.
It's unfair to compare Robinho to Eto'o, surely when it comes to finishing. Eto'o is maybe the best striker there is and he is a great goalscorer which is Robinho's weakness, but he has got many great other strengths which makes him a great supporting striker. Unfortunality people only cares for goals when looking at a forward, but fail to see the importance Robinho has got in making Milan a strong team with a strong attack. I care for the team, therefore I want Robinho (to stay) at Milan.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Jun 11 2011, 12:02 AM
http://img51.imageshack.us/i/3518c3f0b7e8.jpg/
Posted by: X-Offender Jun 11 2011, 12:19 AM
Cut your hair.
Posted by: Kazdoodle Jun 11 2011, 09:40 AM
awwww ^^ thats cute
Posted by: Dracoris Jul 15 2011, 04:16 PM
Robinho and Urby both have Twitter now if you want to follow them.
@Urby28 and @OficialRobinho
Posted by: Jack Bauer Nov 13 2011, 05:46 PM
http://www.football-italia.net/node/12805
Posted by: anano1214 Nov 16 2011, 10:27 PM
Robinho and his Son
http://youtu.be/yXtGojOe9vA
Posted by: arivanjj Nov 17 2011, 12:01 AM
haha very cute.
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Nov 26 2011, 08:15 PM
By Football Italia staff
Friday November 25 2011
Robinho has declared that his current period with Milan is the happiest of his six-year spell in European football.
The Brazilian gave a full and honest interview to Brazilian football website globoesporte.com this week, during which he discussed various topics ranging from his departures from Real Madrid and Manchester City to his dedication to the Brazilian national team. The player began, though, with a glowing account of his current situation at San Siro and of the club’s love for Brazilian footballers.
“I feel at home in Milan. I’m going through a really good time. It is a club that loves Brazilians and treats us very well. I am adapting more and more, I am very happy here.
“In Madrid it was very good too. It is an excellent club and Spanish football is easier to adapt to for a Brazilian player. But there was jealousy during my time there for my trips abroad with Brazil.
“Here it is different, they treat us superbly. Even in Manchester it was good, but the field was very different. English football has a lot of strength and it is complicated for a Brazilian footballer to adapt to it. Even more so for one who plays up front like me.
“In Milan there are only good things. They love Brazilians and always speak well of those that have passed through here. There is this love, this openness from the beginning. I did not expect it was that good.
“To date, there has been much talk of Kaka, Serginho, Dida, Cafu, even of Ronaldo who made more history at Inter, he is highly regarded here. Now we are making our history.
“Of course, when a Brazilian player sits on the bench they get very upset still, but it is part of life, it is normal in football.”
The 27-year-old discussed how he feels he has developed as a footballer since arriving in Europe in 2005 and whether the perception that he has become a more tactical player is correct.
“I think I have changed the way I play. Today I prefer to shoot at goal than try a stepover. But without losing the joy, of course. That is something we must always have. European football has taught me to play more for the team and a little less for the individual.”
The player was asked if he had any regrets for past decisions made in his time with Real Madrid and Manchester City.
“In Madrid I wanted to leave for being dissatisfied with the club, which was not valuing me as I wanted at the time. But I ended up going to a club which is quite difficult to adapt to as a Brazilian.
“Even today if I was to ever leave [Milan] I do not know if I would choose City, with all due respect to the club. The question is more England itself, which is a country that is not so good for my football. I do not regret having left it.
“I do regret the way I left Madrid though, fighting. That was not good for my image, or towards the club. Now I am happy. In Milan, I play and have been helpful to the team. This is most important.”
The No 70 then left an interesting side-comment with regards his current happiness at San Siro.
“Of course, in football things change very fast. A guy might get two or three months on the bench and think ‘oh, I want to make la Seleção, I want to play’ and already they are thinking about returning to Brazil. For now though, I am happy.”
Robinho also took time to press home his commitment to the national team. With kind words for Ronaldinho, Kaka and Adriano, Robinho put himself amongst them in terms of experience he believes is still important for Brazil going forward.
With 90 caps to his name, the attacker also refused to rule out offering that experience to younger players at the Olympics next summer, which incidentally run into the middle of August and pre-season for Milan.
“Everything that is related to Brazil I am all for. I think when a player is called he has to go, this is our country. You must have the will, joy and desire to play.
“I do not know the will of the Coach, if he wants to pick me. So I believe that for the Olympics, no. But I will prepare myself as if I am going to be called up. The Seleção is always important.”
Robinho finished the interview with a reflection on if he will ever be crowned the best in the world by FIFA.
“This will always be a dream, but it is not an obsession. If I am not the best in the world, I cannot feel frustrated by it. I will always work for myself and always want the best.
“If it happens, great. If not, I’ll continue playing my football. There are many players who have not won this award and are marked in history. It is a dream that I hope to accomplish.”
Link: http://www.football-italia.net/node/13198
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Posted by: Suhail 3 Dec 22 2011, 05:02 PM
the minute tevez puts pen to paper for Milan, is the minute robinho's last season at milan is announced.
Posted by: X-Offender Dec 22 2011, 05:26 PM
Or maybe Pato's.
Posted by: Suhail 3 Dec 22 2011, 05:54 PM
- you dont seem to be affected by that one bit, you prefer Robinho to Pato ?
Posted by: X-Offender Dec 22 2011, 06:30 PM
Not really, but I don't think it's fair to Robinho considering him scrap paper like you did in your comment.
Posted by: han2503 Dec 22 2011, 09:53 PM
It's pretty obvious that Robinho would be the one to leave imo.
And it's not like we're going to get a truck load of cash for Pato atm. It would be really bad business for the management to sell him now. Not to mention the fact the both Berlu and Galliani seem to be 100% behind Pato. No matter what you guys think of him. Berlu reiterating that Pato should be playing more, just this weekend says a lot imo.
And who knows? Maybe we'll keep all 5, loan El Shaa and Pippo seems to be heading for the exit as well. Those are 5 top notch strikers right there, is it too much, maybe, but it also could turn out to be very beneficial for us should they all be kept happy. For me, I don't consider Robinho a striker, he's an in betweener. Playing him as an out and out striker is causing major finishing mishaps. He might have missed a few last season when he was playing the AM position but some of the sitters he's missed this season are just astonishing.
If we don't buy an AM this summer, than no doubt all 5 should be kept, with Robinho being made a permanent option for AM imo
Posted by: kurtsimonw Dec 22 2011, 09:55 PM
Keeping 5 players for 2 positions happy is nearly impossible. Most teams struggle to keep 4 decent strikers happy. That's without the fact that Ibra is too important to drop.
Posted by: X-Offender Dec 22 2011, 10:06 PM
Yeah, it's more like four strikers for one position, considering Ibra is untouchable like he should be. Keeping them all happy, I can't see it. It would meaning changing strikers every game. I'd rather have a consolidated trio instead. So yeah, one between Pato and Robinho should leave.
Posted by: acid911 Dec 22 2011, 10:12 PM
You guys seem to be forgetting the injuries. Pato spends half the year out, anyway, give or take a week or two. And I don't think Ibrahimović is untouchable. In the sense that the guy needs regular rest, and should come from the bench of not at all when we play smaller sides. More often than not, the Swede burns out come the crunch time.
In fact, if we are aiming for the biggest prizes this year and next (Europe), he needs to last the distance.
Posted by: X-Offender Dec 22 2011, 10:13 PM
Pato spends half the year out, anyway, give or take a week or two. And I don't think Ibrahimović is untouchable. In the sense that the guy needs regular rest, and should come from the bench of not at all when we play smaller sides. More often than not, the Swede burns out come the crunch time.In fact, if we are aiming for the biggest prizes this year and next (Europe), he needs to last the distance.
Even if you consider all possible negative scenarios, five world class strikers are too much. Especially if you consider their egos, too.
Posted by: acid911 Dec 22 2011, 10:22 PM
I hear ya, but it would be a disservice to whoever that gets the nudge. 14 goals for all three last season, all three (Pato, Ibra and Robinho) have done their part this season too, up till now anyway. The only solution I see is if we play three forwards each and every match, or either Cassano and/or Tevez starts playing in the hole, the AM position.
And this is discounting both Inzaghi and El Shaarawy. Anyway, apart from Pato everyone can play in the midfield.
Posted by: X-Offender Dec 22 2011, 10:51 PM
Well, in that case, it should be:
Tevez - Ibra
Pato
A sort of an offensive christmas tree formation. I'm sure it would make Berlusconi very happy.
Posted by: acid911 Dec 22 2011, 11:04 PM
It makes me happy. I'd say go for it if we do manage to land Tevez. Much more dynamic!
Posted by: han2503 Dec 22 2011, 11:08 PM
Tevez - Ibra
Pato
A sort of an offensive christmas tree formation. I'm sure it would make Berlusconi very happy.
Agreed, with Cassano and Robinho rotating accordingly (or starting when necassary due to injuries and tactical reasons). The midfield would offsett the fact that we'd be so top heavy. I think by playing those 3 we could afford to drop the creatve CM (Aqui).
Posted by: Suhail 3 Dec 22 2011, 11:10 PM
similar to the wonders its working for napoli with lavezzi,cavani and hamsik, totally agree mate.
Posted by: acid911 Dec 22 2011, 11:17 PM
Yes, and bring him in the second half, after 60 minutes or so depending on the match situation.
If Seedorf says goodbye at the end of this season, and we don't invest in a proper AM then this could/should be our first choice formation. Versatile and hardworking, plus with Pato upfront, lethal.PS. Change your keyboard, Han.
Posted by: milanbuf88 Dec 23 2011, 12:38 AM
Tevez - Ibra
Pato
A sort of an offensive christmas tree formation. I'm sure it would make Berlusconi very happy.
I love it. KPB and Nocerino can pressure hard defensively. Ibra and Tevez can both drop back to midfield to receive the ball and make plays. This much firepower should demolish any domestic competition. My only slight worry is getting bogged down in midfield against real top European sides but with all that skill up front scoring shouldn't be a problem against anyone. Just need for the three to gain some chemistry. That is if Tevez comes at all haha.
Posted by: CHU-LIP Dec 23 2011, 12:44 AM
Tevez - Ibra
Pato
A sort of an offensive christmas tree formation. I'm sure it would make Berlusconi very happy.
Are you guys for real with this? That's never ever going to work.
Posted by: X-Offender Dec 23 2011, 12:58 AM
If Tevez does the Robinho and act as a hidden trequartista, then it can easily work. Boateng would also be moved to his original position, which is a plus. I mean, right there you've got a rock solid midfield and a top heavy attack. The only problem is that it's completely different from Allegri's current strategy. Does he have the will (and balls) to change?
Posted by: CHU-LIP Dec 23 2011, 01:02 AM
No, disagreed with all.
The three man attack doesn't work with Pato. His workrate is too little for that.
Moving Boateng to RCM means taking off Aquilani who is our creativity force in midfield. Now there's a lack of creativity in midfield. Besides that Boateng is poor in defending. So you would have only 3 midfielders, and 3 at most are good in defending.
In short: against any proper side we will get smashed. Leonardo style.
Posted by: X-Offender Dec 23 2011, 01:18 AM
The three man attack doesn't work with Pato. His workrate is too little for that.
Moving Boateng to RCM means taking off Aquilani who is our creativity force in midfield. Now there's a lack of creativity in midfield. Besides that Boateng is poor in defending. So you would have only 3 midfielders, and 3 at most are good in defending.
In short: against any proper side we will get smashed. Leonardo style.
The three-man attack is perfect for Pato. Having Tevez and Ibra will create much more spaces for him. He plays with the same formula for Brazil after all, and he usually does well.
As han said, for this kind of formation, sacrificing Aquilani is acceptable. Even if we are depriving ourselves from our only creative source, that's just too attacking power for any opponent.
And if you think Boateng is poor at defending, then I say that he's totally being wasted in attack. The guy is a box-to-box mid for crying out loud! He's no trequartista and he's no winger and he's no striker. RCM is the IDEAL position for him. That formation can work ESPECIALLY because it suits the midfield to a tee.
With Leonardo we had Pirlo, Ambro and Seedorf, Ronaldinho and Pato, and the latter three NEVER tracked back to defend. Here you've got three classic midfielders, two of whom can both defend and attack. And then if Tevez does the Robinho like I mentioned above, we won't be vulnerable to strong opponents.
Posted by: CHU-LIP Dec 23 2011, 01:32 AM
Who's the playmaker in that team? Just Ibrahimovic?
When you don't play Boateng as AM (which he does well), then it's either him or Nocerino, which should be Nocerino, unless you have an AM (and not 3 forwards) who's creative (which is not the case).. I remember lineups with barely creativity... it end up awful.... now you got the legs, but you need both legs and playmaking... maybe Van Bommel can step up and do the playmaking then?
Also Van Bommel's defending is not super strong anymore, and he needs to make up for poor defending from Boateng, yes he is not good at it, and for the 3 forwards (even if 2 track back, it's big difference from playing with 4 mids)
Posted by: X-Offender Dec 23 2011, 02:26 AM
Playing with four midfielders is not very popular nowadays. You'll notice that most teams play with either 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3. It's not necessary to field many role midfielders if the team plays as a unit. Allegri has managed to achieve this.
Playmaking is important, but I've seen Inter (where the only playmaker was Sneijder) win the Champions League beating the toughest opponents. They relied on muscle and pressure to win their games, rather than ball possession and creativity. With that line-up, we can do the same thing.
Anyway, if it was up to me, I'd sign a proper trequartista and play him instead of Tevez in the hole. But not Boateng!
Posted by: CHU-LIP Dec 23 2011, 02:59 PM
And who will be our Sneijder?
Ah ye, cuz others do, it must work for us also better than 4 mids.
Meh..
Posted by: X-Offender Dec 23 2011, 03:05 PM
Ibra.
It might, it might not. It's still worth trying.
Posted by: han2503 Dec 23 2011, 03:55 PM
@ Chu, I personally find all your points invalid because you're trying to insist on Boateng playing the AM position. He's simply not that, he's wasted there and putting all the creative responsabilties on Ibra because he simply does not support the 2 strikers as a proper AM should.
Boateng needs to be moved back, especially if Tevez comes.
As for Pato not being a hard worker, it depends on how he's deployed by Allegri, and playing at the head of a xmas tree does not mean you have to be a hard worker either, as long as you have the proper support, than all Pato would have to do is make the runs to receive the ball and open up spaces for Ibra and Tevez.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Dec 23 2011, 05:50 PM
Boateng needs to be moved back, especially if Tevez comes.
As for Pato not being a hard worker, it depends on how he's deployed by Allegri, and playing at the head of a xmas tree does not mean you have to be a hard worker either, as long as you have the proper support, than all Pato would have to do is make the runs to receive the ball and open up spaces for Ibra and Tevez.
This. +1
Posted by: CHU-LIP Dec 23 2011, 07:11 PM
Ye.... not quite yet.... lolzzzzzzzzzzzz
If you can't see the difference between a midfield lead by one of the best playmakers, and two footed also, Sneijder, and a forward who is capable of some playmaking, with having a midfield with close to zero creativity (even Inter's midfield with Sneijder often missed creativity, let alone if Van Bommel is your most creative midfielder, and at the same time the most defensive one), then I'm sorry, but it's not good for my health to continue this.
Boateng plays AM for Milan some time now and does it well. Since Ibrahimovic and Aquilani are creative, but not the fastest players and all, Boateng is a nice add to it. With someone like Boateng it's why we can get so much out of Ibrahimovic and Aquilani.
Ye, and instead of our only creative mid, right? Milan has struggled pretty much every time when they play without a creative midfielder. If we are talking about what most teams do, they have always one or more playmaking midfielders. And Tevez doesn't add the same as Boateng. Boateng is a midfielder, and does still offers more than a hardworking tracking back forward. And that change + Boateng in the midfield 3 makes the team defensively weaker.
You guys are so obsessed with moving back Boateng that you guys don't wanna nor can't see how well Boateng as AM preforms/works. And if anything, it is Boateng deeper in midfield which need to be proven, not him as AM, because that has been proven. He is a good option at AM. Of course, I wish we got someone like Özil there rather, but ye, can't have everything I guess.
If you play with only 3 midfielders, and 3 forwards, better all forwards work hard and track back. Pato usually does close to nothing when it comes to this. For a reason the 3 forward thing never worked with Pato, but did sometimes without Pato. If you wanna 3 forwards, Robinho must play over Pato.
I can't remember what good team had success with no creative midfielders, and our midfielders we have are not good enough to make up for missing the 4th midfielder (unless no Pato, but Robinho, else no shot). Teams like Barça who are the popular ones with the 3 mids, 3 forwads, have much better midfielders than Milan has. Because Barça can keep possession very well, unlike Milan especially with the no playmaker midfield. Also defending wise, Boateng is meh at most, Van Bommel is also not super reliable anymore...
Posted by: X-Offender Dec 23 2011, 09:08 PM
If you can't see the difference between a midfield lead by one of the best playmakers, and two footed also, Sneijder, and a forward who is capable of some playmaking, with having a midfield with close to zero creativity (even Inter's midfield with Sneijder often missed creativity, let alone if Van Bommel is your most creative midfielder, and at the same time the most defensive one), then I'm sorry, but it's not good for my health to continue this.
Actually, Ibra has much more vision than Sneijder, but yeah, Sneijder is more suitable since he's a proper trequartista. You do have a point, but like I said, it's worth trying.
Posted by: han2503 Dec 24 2011, 12:11 PM
@ Chu, I'm really not going to bother writting a huge post, you're trying to tell me that dropping Aquilani is a terrible idea, while insisting on a combative player to be played in a position which neccessitates a creative player.
Many teams play without a creative player in the midfield 3, we're not talking about Barcelona here. If you have that much creative power in attack than a strong midfield who will transition the ball quickly to those attackers is what's needed. And it's not like VB, Boateng and Nocerino are complete headless chickens on the ball, they're not Ambro/Rino type of players where they cannot do anything with the ball aside from pass it a meter or so sideways.
Posted by: CHU-LIP Dec 24 2011, 12:39 PM
There is a creative player needed, but in midfield there's not? Right on...
And what teams play with no creative mids?
Posted by: han2503 Dec 24 2011, 02:53 PM
And what teams play with no creative mids?
I didn't say there is no creative player needed. Our midfield for me is the diamond i.e those 4 players. And the position that neccessitates a creative player the most is being filled up by a box-to-box guy.
The 3 man midfield can do without a creative player, but the AM position can not, and this is what we're doing and why we rely so much on the strikers to create the goals.
In an ideal world, Aquilani would be ok playing behind the strikers so Boateng can be moved back, this is not the case. So Boateng is being lumped into a position where he's wasted as a player while for the team it works in a negative way because he doesn't provide proper support. And I don't know if you've noticed this, but the type of goals he used to score last season have stopped, simply because it's not as easy as it was for him last season to run into the box from that position since teams know how to mark him out and push him wide. Thus by coming in from a deeper position he would be harder to mark, (like Nocerino, who gives teams headaches running into the box from deep, imagine Boateng with his better speed, shooting, skills; doing what Nocerino does)
Also, last time I checked you didn't care about what other teams did...
Posted by: X-Offender Dec 24 2011, 03:20 PM
This. I'm pretty sure MvB, Noce and Boa can move the ball without problems. They might not provide the usual long pass or through ball, but they're pretty skilled players, so it wouldn't be a problem playing them together.
Posted by: CHU-LIP Dec 24 2011, 11:48 PM
The AM is not an AM anymore when it's Ibrahimovic. Then it's a forward. I believe any good team has a creative midfielder. You didn't answer my question what team plays without a creative mid. I think you didn't because you think. Try to prove me wrong.
I don't. You guys are the one who want this line-up without a creative mid because apparently other teams also have no creative mid in midfield three. I am the one who doesn't want to try this out you guys are suggesting. You guys are the ones who want to because other teams play with three forwards. So it seems like your blind, so I gonna say it in caps: YOU GUYS CARE ABOUT WHAT OTHER TEAMS DO, I DO NOT.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Dec 25 2011, 11:29 AM
Every team is different. Sure, we should study our opponents and learn from them, but that does not mean we've got to copy them and kill our innovates.
Posted by: han2503 Dec 26 2011, 01:12 PM
I don't. You guys are the one who want this line-up without a creative mid because apparently other teams also have no creative mid in midfield three. I am the one who doesn't want to try this out you guys are suggesting. You guys are the ones who want to because other teams play with three forwards. So it seems like your blind, so I gonna say it in caps: YOU GUYS CARE ABOUT WHAT OTHER TEAMS DO, I DO NOT.
In one line you're saying you don't care about what other teams are doing and in the other you're asking me to name which team plays without a creative midfielder. I don't feel like I have to answer it since you're contradicting yourself and twisting it to suite your own argument.
As for Ibra, Tevez and Pato, Tevez and Ibra are very creative forwards, who work twice as hard as most other AMs. If we play the diamond than whoever plays in the hole will form part of he midfield, just like Robinho does when he plays there, simply because that is Allegri's system.
Simply insisting on Boateng to keep playing the AM position won't take us anywhere as he's just not doing what needs to be done from an AM.
Posted by: CHU-LIP Dec 26 2011, 03:46 PM
I'm not contradicting myself, you are being extremely stupid.
The only reason I asked that is because you say there are teams that do that: which is an attempt by you proving your own point. Now, I didn't believe that was a good point. So I asked you to name an example, so that either you couldn't or I could use your example against you again.
And you still didn't answer it, lolz. To me you only prove you talk out of your butt.
Can't feel bothered to read the rest if you're being that stupid.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Dec 26 2011, 03:57 PM
Errr....attack the post..not the poster buddy. You need to tone it down a bit.
Posted by: han2503 Dec 26 2011, 04:06 PM
The only reason I asked that is because you say there are teams that do that: which is an attempt by you proving your own point. Now, I didn't believe that was a good point. So I asked you to name an example, so that either you couldn't or I could use your example against you again.
And you still didn't answer it, lolz. To me you only prove you talk out of your butt.
Can't feel bothered to read the rest if you're being that stupid.
To your entire post. Nice try at insulting me. I won't retaliate with my own jibe as that would mean dropping to your level. Piece out, talk to me when you want to debate like an adult instead of a child throwing insults when he's backed into a corner
Posted by: CHU-LIP Dec 26 2011, 04:16 PM
You really think I was trying to insult you?
Lolzzzz... all I said is you were being stupid... BEING stupid, oh noes, the horror, the pain......
But if I can't even make a proper discussion with han anymore on here. Then my time here has past.
Posted by: han2503 Dec 26 2011, 04:20 PM
Lolzzzz... all I said is you were being stupid... BEING stupid, oh noes, the horror, the pain......
But if I can't even make a proper discussion with han anymore on here. Then my time here has past.
Calling someone stupid is always an insult. Just because you're not agreeing with me does not mean I'm stupid, especially seeing as most posters agreed with the line-up posted by x-off, and that is what we're discussing atm. Does that mean all those people are stupid because they don't view things as you do??
You're the one that reduced the discussion to petty insults my friend. If you cannot handle someone disagreeing with you than obviously you shouldn't be on a forum since it is built on people having differing oppinions and discussing those different oppinion ins a civilised manner
Posted by: William405 Dec 26 2011, 05:48 PM
Both formations are feasable,it's not a right and wrong situation IMO.It depends on some factors:
-Boateng might not get accustomed to his new role,or he might explode.
-Tevez or Ibra might not go back and work hard as much as we need them to.
-Allegri:assuring that the system would work well and efficiently with balance.
Our current tactics aren't that bad,but having a plan B also will not hurt.A formation for the champions leauge and a formation for the leauge.The formation with Boateng as attacking midfield provides us with a high work rate formation,and depends on the creativity of our strikers,and the insertions from midfield.
While,with the 4-3-3,the balance might decrease a bit.But,hey...Ibrahimovic has been everywhere for us this season.He defends on corners,pressures defenders,goes back on freekicks...And no matter how much Kurt keeps harping about Tevez's personality;his work-rate on the field,and willingness to work for the team is second to none.(when he actually gets on the field ;p)
To sum it up,both are good formations.And,it would be nice if we can alternate them depending on the opponent.
Hope this settles it
Posted by: han2503 Dec 26 2011, 07:49 PM
-Boateng might not get accustomed to his new role,or he might explode.
-Tevez or Ibra might not go back and work hard as much as we need them to.
-Allegri:assuring that the system would work well and efficiently with balance.
Our current tactics aren't that bad,but having a plan B also will not hurt.A formation for the champions leauge and a formation for the leauge.The formation with Boateng as attacking midfield provides us with a high work rate formation,and depends on the creativity of our strikers,and the insertions from midfield.
While,with the 4-3-3,the balance might decrease a bit.But,hey...Ibrahimovic has been everywhere for us this season.He defends on corners,pressures defenders,goes back on freekicks...And no matter how much Kurt keeps harping about Tevez's personality;his work-rate on the field,and willingness to work for the team is second to none.(when he actually gets on the field ;p)
To sum it up,both are good formations.And,it would be nice if we can alternate them depending on the opponent.
Hope this settles it
Sure, but apparently you're stupid for thinking the formation x-off posted would work
Posted by: CHU-LIP Dec 27 2011, 01:53 AM
omg, han, that's not even the reason i said you were being stupid
it's about the part you think i contradict myself, that i was the one that cared bout what other teans do which is both false and ironic
i thought i explained that clearly.....
and there's nothing wrong with being stupid; everyone is at times
Posted by: han2503 Dec 27 2011, 11:54 AM
it's about the part you think i contradict myself, that i was the one that cared bout what other teans do which is both false and ironic
i thought i explained that clearly.....
and there's nothing wrong with being stupid; everyone is at times
I think you're missing the entire point of it chu. No matter what you think of my oppinions argue them with valid points, not call me stupid in retaliation of me contradicting you. In reality it only makes you look bad. And if you think I'm the only one who has a problem with you throwing the word stupid around at people, check the post jack made right after you posted that. It's clearly something which is not accepted, had you said thast to another poster who took offence and reported you, a mod would have had to take action. I myself laughed at it because you made my points more clear when you resorted to name calling
Someone else wouldn't find it so funny
Posted by: CHU-LIP Dec 27 2011, 12:42 PM
that's the prob here: you think that, but that's not the case
and it wasn't about your opinion, but you not understanding the following no matter how often I tried to explain it:
and then you come with this I am contradicting myself and twisting it to suite my own argument, it annoyed me that you didn't understand it and came with bs talk about me - it's more insulting to say I did that to suite my own argument, in my opinion more than saying one being stupid when he actually is being that at that time
I mean, if you don't take the gentle way to ask me first what I meant, instead of coming with that BS talk about me, then I would have been more gentle too. Now I just didn't care one bit about that.
but of course, as long you don't use bad words, you can say all the **** about others you want to. It happens all the time on this forum by most posters, surely the active ones. I seriously am annnoyed by the attitude here.
I don't care if I look bad, because I would welcome my own departure here very much, and might will very soon. No point really to be on two Milan forums anyway, I guess. The irony is I am considered by most people to be one of the nicest posters there (it showed during forumers awards). That's what you guys (attitude) do with me here...
Posted by: han2503 Dec 27 2011, 01:03 PM
and it wasn't about your opinion, but you not understanding the following no matter how often I tried to explain it:
and then you come with this I am contradicting myself and twisting it to suite my own argument, it annoyed me that you didn't understand it and came with bs talk about me - it's more insulting to say I did that to suite my own argument, in my opinion more than saying one being stupid when he actually is being that at that time
I mean, if you don't take the gentle way to ask me first what I meant, instead of coming with that BS talk about me, then I would have been more gentle too. Now I just didn't care one bit about that.
but of course, as long you don't use bad words, you can say all the **** about others you want to. It happens all the time on this forum by most posters, surely the active ones. I seriously am annnoyed by the attitude here.
I don't care if I look bad, because I would welcome my own departure here very much, and might will very soon. No point really to be on two Milan forums anyway, I guess. The irony is I am considered by most people to be one of the nicest posters there (it showed during forumers awards). That's what you guys (attitude) do with me here...
Again, you don't get it chu, so let's stop it, me feeling that you are contradicting yourself and you calling me stupid is not the same thing or me saying that is worse than you calling someone stupid. And I don't know in which universe it would constitute as such.
I still feel you are wrong in your ideas in regards to Boateng and where he should play and that is the main point of this.
Posted by: CHU-LIP Dec 27 2011, 01:56 PM
I did get it, han, I get it all. Just not showing it enough, because I don't necessary agree and tried to explain something you still didn't get.
Many teams play without a creative player in the midfield 3, we're not talking about Barcelona here. If you have that much creative power in attack than a strong midfield who will transition the ball quickly to those attackers is what's needed. And it's not like VB, Boateng and Nocerino are complete headless chickens on the ball, they're not Ambro/Rino type of players where they cannot do anything with the ball aside from pass it a meter or so sideways.
Here we see you mentioning other teams playing with no creative player in the midfield 3. You used what other teams do as reason why Milan should do that - X-Offender's line-up - (also). This means you were the one who cares about what other teams do. I didn't (instead I said I don't think it would work for Milan even if it works with other teams - because they have better midfielders than we do have for example, I said). I did wonder though what teams you had in mind. I couldn't think of one, so your argument was not really strong to me. I needed examples, so I asked for them. How was that me caring what other teams do?
And no matter how often I tried to explain this, you failed to understand and talk about me contradicting myself, and twisting stuff, and refusing to answer the question. So I was like WTF?!!?! And got annoyed by it. It had NOTHING to do with you wanting to play a certain line-up. (It had to do with HOW you responded to it. - The last zillion posts weren't about the line-up / how we should play anymore.)
Posted by: han2503 Dec 27 2011, 06:15 PM
Here we see you mentioning other teams playing with no creative player in the midfield 3. You used what other teams do as reason why Milan should do that - X-Offender's line-up - (also). This means you were the one who cares about what other teams do. I didn't (instead I said I don't think it would work for Milan even if it works with other teams - because they have better midfielders than we do have for example, I said). I did wonder though what teams you had in mind. I couldn't think of one, so your argument was not really strong to me. I needed examples, so I asked for them. How was that me caring what other teams do?
And no matter how often I tried to explain this, you failed to understand and talk about me contradicting myself, and twisting stuff, and refusing to answer the question. So I was like WTF?!!?! And got annoyed by it. It had NOTHING to do with you wanting to play a certain line-up. (It had to do with HOW you responded to it. - The last zillion posts weren't about the line-up / how we should play anymore.)
I think we're just going around in circles chu. I'm reading back through the posts, and you do have a point (see I'm a big enough person to admit that), I think I might have misunderstood something you posted due to the way it was worded and it seemed like you were using other teams to make your point, but after reading it carefully twice over I get what you were trying to do. That being said, you never tell someone they are stupid, and that is the entire point of my last few posts. Sometimes written words lose their meaning when you're just reading them instead of listening to someone say the actual statement.
Anyway, to answer that question I'll name 2 teams. Chelsea, who play Ramires, Meireles and Romeu/Lamps/Mikel. None of those are creative players, they're all runners who provide energy from deep. Man U also usually play with 2 holding mids and rely a lot on Rooney dropping deep and spreading play to their wingers.
Barca go to an extreme, while Real use Xabi Alonso as a holding mid as well that distributes the ball to their forwards. They rely on Ozil, this season Di Maria somtimes due to Ozil's form, for creativity
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Dec 28 2011, 09:01 PM
I think we can all rest the case now.
Posted by: William405 Feb 23 2012, 02:44 PM
The striker is contracted to the Diavolo until 2014, but he has his eyes on a much longer stay at Milanello.
“I’m really happy at Milan,” the 28-year-old told La Stampa. “If it was up to me then I would remain here for another 10 years…”
Robinho joined the club from Manchester City in 2010 after a loan spell in Brazil with Santos.
He scored 14 goals in 34 Serie A games during his first season, but has grabbed just four in 19 appearances this time around.
Nevertheless, he has found some form of late and is expected to start in Saturday’s Scudetto showdown against Juventus.
“If we play like Milan then we can’t be stopped,” continued the South American. “The Juve game will be decisive, more from a psychological point of view rather than for the League table.”
Robinho, should Zlatan Ibrahimovic’s ban be confirmed, could be partnered by Alexandre Pato in attack – another Brazilian who has had his form and injury problems this term.
“He’s a phenomenon,” Robinho added. “There are periods when things go badly, it happened to me too. However, boss Massimiliano Allegri showed me some faith and I was able to improve.”
Let's see,he's in great form atm...only if he can keep it up.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 23 2012, 03:02 PM
I hope he can. The Robinho we've seen against Arsenal would be nothing but welcome in the future here at Milan.
Posted by: d'Arc.LP Aug 18 2012, 02:54 PM
Robinho has changed his jersey number to 7, which was available after Pato took Inzaghi's 9.
Posted by: CHU-LIP Aug 18 2012, 03:13 PM
Posted by: acid911 Aug 18 2012, 03:28 PM
And he didn't.
Didn't take long for him to return to basic mediocrity and overall averageness.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 18 2012, 04:51 PM
Maybe the change of number triggers a more important change of mind.
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 19 2012, 03:17 PM
YES!
It's funny, but I sent a message via Twitter to Robinho a few days ago suggesting him to take the #7 shirt now that it's free. Maybe it worked.
Posted by: CHU-LIP Aug 19 2012, 03:18 PM
It's funny, but I sent a message via Twitter to Robinho a few days ago suggesting him to take the #7 shirt now that it's free. Maybe it worked.
LOL !!!
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Aug 19 2012, 03:27 PM
It's funny, but I sent a message via Twitter to Robinho a few days ago suggesting him to take the #7 shirt now that it's free. Maybe it worked.
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 28 2012, 04:09 PM
Robinho will be out for 3-4 weeks.
Source: Mediaset
Posted by: han2503 Aug 28 2012, 04:27 PM
Grrrreat!!!!!!!
Posted by: servbot Aug 28 2012, 04:57 PM
At least one thing this season is consistent with Milan of past seasons - a long injury list!
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 28 2012, 05:18 PM
Abate, Ambrosini, Muntari, Dídac, Strasser, Robinho, Pato. Only one match through the season so far.
Posted by: dst Aug 28 2012, 06:29 PM
I think it's about time we sold that hell of a training ground and move elsewhere (if we can do that for the money RM got for theirs we're saved too!)... surely, it must be in San Siro-like condition, there's no other explanation!
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 17 2012, 04:37 PM
Ha! Funny. Seems like Robinho crashed his car and caused a small incident. 
http://linus.blog.deejay.it/2012/10/17/siamo-tutti-reporter/
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Oct 17 2012, 04:47 PM
He was driving a Q7? You could fit 11 Robinhos into a Q7. Give him De Sciglio's Polo! (Thanks X-Off!)
Posted by: X-Offender Oct 17 2012, 05:23 PM
Posted by: KillerMax Dec 11 2012, 09:39 PM
http://www.football-italia.net/28321/robinho-hints-santos-move
http://www.football-italia.net/28330/santos-confirm-robinho-talks
GTFO. Sooner, better.
Posted by: X-Offender Dec 11 2012, 09:45 PM
Come on you f@ckers, just offer 8-10 million and you'll get free shipping as well.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Dec 11 2012, 10:45 PM
They can smell our desperation so they will be trying to lower the price.
Posted by: X-Offender Dec 11 2012, 11:40 PM
'Our desperation' as in the desperation of the fans, cause Galliani keeps saying that Robinho will stay.
Posted by: han2503 Dec 11 2012, 11:59 PM
Only to try and get the highest offer imo
I say hold out for around 15m, if they're clamming up at it jump at 10m
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Dec 12 2012, 09:37 AM
To be honest, I wouldn't sell him out for peanuts, just to get rid of him. If the tag doesn't suit us, keep him. Because I don't see us getting a better/more suited player as a replacement anyway.
Posted by: han2503 Dec 12 2012, 10:21 AM
Sort of feel the same way, but if we're going to get 1 or 2 players in the window we need a bit of a cash injection and only Robinho could provide that.
How much do you think we'll get for Traore, Mesbah, Flamini, anf the other dead weight we have?
We'll be lucky to scrape around 8 to 10m for all of them
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Dec 12 2012, 10:45 AM
Our problem is the wages. We have I reckon at least 25 million to spend on transfer fees and still fall within the FFP rules. But the wages at the moment are still on the higher side. At the moment, the only person in our top ten wage earners truly earning his keep is Montolivo.
Here are our top 10 wage earners:
#1: Mexes - €4,000,000
#2: Robinho - €4,000,000
#3: Pato - €4,000,000
#4: Montolivo - €3,500,000
#5: De Jong - €3,000,000
#6: Pazzini - €2,700,000
#7: Boateng - €2,500,000
#8: Abate - €2,000,000
#9: Bonera - €2,000,000
#10: Bojan - €1,500,000
We have 3 bonafide bench warmers, 1 bloke who doesn't play at all. And then there's Robinho and Mexes who have not really carried the team as much as they should.
This is the tragedy here. Not to mention like Galliani said 32 players is WAY too much. At least 6 players too many.
Posted by: han2503 Dec 12 2012, 02:06 PM
Here are our top 10 wage earners:
#1: Mexes - €4,000,000
#2: Robinho - €4,000,000
#3: Pato - €4,000,000
#4: Montolivo - €3,500,000
#5: De Jong - €3,000,000
#6: Pazzini - €2,700,000
#7: Boateng - €2,500,000
#8: Abate - €2,000,000
#9: Bonera - €2,000,000
#10: Bojan - €1,500,000
We have 3 bonafide bench warmers, 1 bloke who doesn't play at all. And then there's Robinho and Mexes who have not really carried the team as much as they should.
This is the tragedy here. Not to mention like Galliani said 32 players is WAY too much. At least 6 players too many.
Bonera and Pazzini certainly overpaid. The rest are pretty fair though going by what is normally paid in football these days. Pato seems high because he's injured 99% of the time, but I don't know what can be done right now about it. Selling him would be beyond stupid as we would get a higher sum for Robinho at this point. I think a contract extension is the best move, give him more time, allow him to relax a bit and not feel like he's constantly on the chopping block, but offer him a slightly reduced wage, 3 to 3.5m should do the trick. Pato knows that the club is disappointed about the injuries as much as he is. Thus they're giving him the trust and confidence that will help him but at a more reasonable price.
Getting Robinho off that list will help a lot though plus reducing the number of players will also help in this. All these players who don't even get called to the bench are draining us every season and it is a big load to carry.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Dec 12 2012, 02:23 PM
50k a week for Pazzini is about right. The very best make 100k +, very good players make 80k + so I think 50 for him is fine.
De Jong is overpaid. He's not a great DM, so to be earning over 50K a week is insane. I'd say everyone above Pazzo is overpaid to be honest.
Posted by: han2503 Dec 12 2012, 02:49 PM
De Jong is overpaid. He's not a great DM, so to be earning over 50K a week is insane. I'd say everyone above Pazzo is overpaid to be honest.
He's earning more than Boateng! Says enough really.
How much was De Jong earning at City? Because these things have to be considered, and for the contribution he's given so far, terrible injury aside, I say it's about right.
You also have to consider that last season bench warmers were earning higher than that
Posted by: Ry4n Dec 12 2012, 02:52 PM
De Jong is overpaid. He's not a great DM, so to be earning over 50K a week is insane. I'd say everyone above Pazzo is overpaid to be honest.
I can imagine what payrolls the city players are on compared to ours probably in a different league all together.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Dec 12 2012, 03:10 PM
Yaya Toure £250,000 a week...
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Dec 12 2012, 04:13 PM
Not to go off topic too much, but I just read that Arsenal have a wage bill of 177 million Euros a year! :wack0: What're they paying for?!!
Posted by: han2503 Dec 12 2012, 04:29 PM
Don't they have a wage cap?
Posted by: X-Offender Dec 12 2012, 04:59 PM
I think about €10 million for Robinho would be fair. Not to mention we'd also get rid of his wages.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Dec 12 2012, 05:23 PM
Yes, the wage problem is a big one. Jack mentions Galliani's plans for reduction - but we cannot do this unless we don't solve our injury problem. This "big team" was created after all mostly because of permanent injuries - we always have at least 2-3 crucial players falling off the list for months.
Posted by: KillerMax Dec 12 2012, 09:08 PM
Great point. The management ought to speak and act with more perspective. Otherwise we are just going in circles here.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Jan 10 2013, 07:25 PM
Raiola: "Milan have taken Robinho off the transfer market. He could extend his contract with Milan."
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jan 10 2013, 07:35 PM
Oh Jesus Christ.
Posted by: X-Offender Jan 10 2013, 07:36 PM
Contract extension? No effing way!
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jan 10 2013, 08:51 PM
???
Posted by: Jack Bauer May 9 2013, 08:00 PM
http://www.football-italia.net/34013/robinho-expecting-milan-stay
good one.
Posted by: acid911 May 9 2013, 08:30 PM
Great one, even.
Make it happen, Galliani, make it happen you idiota!
Posted by: X-Offender May 9 2013, 10:19 PM
Too bad he fell from grace so soon. He's "only" 29, but he can barely cut it against Serie B sides. Go to Brazil, that's the only place you can shine.
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Jul 14 2013, 04:47 PM
Interviewed by Rádio Bandeirantes, Santos’ president had said that “The decision is final unless something changes from the other side. Milan have asked for a very reasonable figure, something less than €6m. However Robinho wants to earn an amount that is impractical for any Brazilian football club”.
The comments of the Santos President infuriated Robinho’s camp who in their own words, ‘Broke the gentleman’s agreement‘ to keep the details private and released a tell all account of the negotiations.
“Firstly, it is not true that Milan have agreed to a price of less than €6m. A representative of Robinho has always been the intermediary between Santos and Milan (Since a club,even one the size of Santos FC did not send any representative at any time to negotiate for the player.) The amount requested from Milan, although reasonable, was much higher than this.”
“We asked Milan who confirmed to us that they had no intention of reducing their price. Robinho has agreed to reduce his current salary by 35% in an attempt to return to Santos. If you include benefits and salaries, Robinho earns much more than what Santos proposed. Not proposed… Because there was never any concrete proposal.”
“According to the Santos President Robinho’s salary demands are ‘impractical for any Brazilian Club’. Let’s clarify some very important points.”
“For the last year and a half, the board of Santos has been trying to re-sign Robinho.”
“For the last year and a half, mostly through the Chairman, the Board of Santos has asked Robinho to help this ‘operation’ become a success so that the board can ‘meet the demands of the fans’.”
“For the last year and a half, the Santos board has been aware of the wages earned by Robinho. They knew that they’d have to seek extra funds to pay his salary.”
“For the last year and a half, the Santos board has asked for help in trying to convince Milan to accept a bid for Robinho. Only at the request of the player did Milan agree to this sale.”
“For the last year and a half, the Santos board is hoping that Milan would lower the price they want for the player.”
“For the last year and a half, since the Santos board showed interest in signing Robinho, he has not paid attention to any other offers from Brazil & abroad, choosing Santos exclusively.”
“Since the opening of the transfer window, the Santos board have expressed their desire to sign Robinho (and made long phone calls to the player, his representatives and even requested meetings with the player while he was on vacation), yet have failed to submit a written proposal to AC Milan. They only sent queries via third parties.”
“Now, after a year and a half of not making any effort or proper planning, the Santos President comes out and says that it’s all Robinho’s fault ?”
“Robinho has another year left on his contract with AC Milan and has received many offers from other teams to earn even more than he currently does. Even before dealing with Santos, he had the opportunity to renew with Milan itself.”
“The leadership of Santos had only one objective, how much is Robinho asking and how can they lower that..In figures, Robinho already gave up 35% of his current salary, per year, to return to play for Santos FC.”
“Not to mention, the permission he gave Santos for the use of his image for advertising campaigns (Currently exclusively his).Santos intended to pay a part of his salary using his own image rights (In effect, the player would be working extra just to pay his own salary). How many players would give up that amount every year ?”
“For journalists and fans who are calling Robinho a Mercenary, Would you would give up 30% or 35% of your current salary to go work for Santos FC or anywhere else? Would the President of Santos do that ?”
“Do not forget that the career of a football player is very short. Robinho will not be earning this salary for the rest of his life. He has perhaps 5, 6 and if no serious injury occur, maybe 10 years left in his career. He also has the obligation to maintain his wife, children, parents and dozens of family members(Do not forget that Robinho comes from an extremely poor family).”
“If by some misfortune, Robinho experience any problems or gets into financial difficulty, then who will sustain his home and his family ? The President of Santos? The Santos board ?”
“Unfortunately this is the strategy of the current directors of Santos: put the blame on the player. It was the same case when they tried to sign Ze Roberto,Nilmar, Deivid etc. Even With Ganso and Elano, the board of Santos did the same thing as they are trying to do now with Robinho. Began leaking requests from players, invented lies and always put the press and the fans against the players.”
“Just to remind the current Santos board and those who love to talk badly and have little memory- Robinho on his departure from Santos FC made them a profit of more than R$70m. He does not deserve to be treated like this.”
“Anyway, this statement is on behalf of Robinho who, like most humans, has reached his limit to silently tolerate such foolishness and injustice.”
“We apologize to the fans of Santos on behalf of Robinho. Unfortunately, it is totally impossible to reopen any negotiations for his return to Santos with the current leadership. However, Robinho continues to have the same affection and respect for Santos and the fans.”
Posted by: acid911 Jul 14 2013, 05:16 PM
Robinho camp. Now, I've heard everything!
Posted by: Bluesummers Jul 14 2013, 06:26 PM
He's right, I agree with him. He's already reducing his salary alot, going to a sh*t league. Being treated like a mercenary is just too much. He could go play in turkey earn more than he does here and still be treated like a star.
IMO the decision for me would be easy.
Posted by: han2503 Jul 14 2013, 07:15 PM
It seems that Monaco might be interested in a double deal for him and Antonini.
Could dreams really come true???
Posted by: X-Offender Jul 14 2013, 07:23 PM
Could dreams really come true???
I only read about Antonini. Source?
Posted by: X-Offender Jul 14 2013, 07:28 PM
Anyway, if Robinho is definitely staying, my only wish is that he trains hard this month and a half to least be in good shape when the season starts.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Jul 14 2013, 07:29 PM
http://www.soccernews.com/robinho-on-monaco-radar/123634/
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Jul 14 2013, 07:43 PM
Posted by: X-Offender Jul 14 2013, 07:44 PM
It's just a rumor, not need to get so excited. 
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Jul 14 2013, 07:45 PM
Could dreams really come true???
(x2)
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Jul 14 2013, 07:47 PM
Just the idea of getting rid of this guy enough for me to celebrate.
Don't burst my bubble!
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