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post Apr 6 2021, 11:19 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 6 2021, 11:04 PM) *
Again, you confuse me.

You ask if this was happenstance? If we improved at all? When was the last time Milan held the 2nd spot in the league during March? When was the last time we earned that many points by now?

Of course we improved.


There's nothing confusing about what I'm saying.

I'm saying was this second place just an incident? That we're now gradually regressing back to our former self and miss on CL once again? Cos it can very well happen considering our form of the last three months.

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 6 2021, 11:04 PM) *
Unexpected? Well children make childish mistakes, and we have a bunch of children in our team. We lack experience. We lack depth. Also, almost every team Pioli has managed by now got into such troubles exactly around January.


Yes, unexpected, because in 2020 only Bayern and Real made more points than us.

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It would be an understatement to say that in the end 2020 was quite a year for Milan, one in which they came on leaps and bounds on the pitch.

Having been battling for a spot in the top half heading into the new year, Milan close out the current calendar year atop the Serie A table having gone 25 games without defeat.

As Tuttosport notes (via MilanNews), only Real Madrid and Bayern Munich have better stats than Milan in 2020 as the Rossoneri racked up an impressive 79 points.

The LaLiga and Bundesliga champions are top of the leading European Leagues as Real Madrid collected 82 points in 35 games, while the Bavarians picked up 79 points but in only 30 games.

Liverpool are fourth with 76 from 34 games, Porto fifth with 69 in 30 and then Paris Saint-Germain with 56 in 26 games.


After such a year, color me disappointed that we're losing points left and right and slowly slipping into that 5th place again.
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post Apr 7 2021, 01:27 AM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 6 2021, 03:44 PM) *
Guys I think Han is completely right.

I'm very perplexed


Sums up this post and my view on it. You seem to have entirely reversed everything you've ever said this season up to this point.

But hey, football is about being fickle so what do I know.
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post Apr 7 2021, 12:39 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Apr 7 2021, 03:27 AM) *
Sums up this post and my view on it. You seem to have entirely reversed everything you've ever said this season up to this point.

But hey, football is about being fickle so what do I know.

I don't think so. I'm trying to be realistic here. We had a chance even to win the scudetto but we turned out to green and our management too limited by financial restraints.
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post Apr 7 2021, 12:44 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 7 2021, 01:19 AM) *
There's nothing confusing about what I'm saying.

I'm saying was this second place just an incident? That we're now gradually regressing back to our former self and miss on CL once again? Cos it can very well happen considering our form of the last three months.



Yes, unexpected, because in 2020 only Bayern and Real made more points than us.



After such a year, color me disappointed that we're losing points left and right and slowly slipping into that 5th place again.

Oh man, last years run was what was unexpected. Under Giampaolo the team looked disastrous. From season start it was clear that fighting for CL is out of the question. COVID just started and stadiums went empty. All this is what helped Milan to be confortable and play without any pressure.

The moment we started talking about Scudetto chances and us being 1st or CL place holders we started to crumble. Yes, this is the same team. No magic wand has made Hakan consistent, Calabria a stronhold, Romagnoli or Theo mentally strong. This is a "as good as it gets" team and I think we have to be realistic and accept the obvious. If we manage to stay in the CL zone it will be great and give us a chance to upgrade slowly.
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post Apr 7 2021, 07:54 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 7 2021, 12:44 PM) *
Oh man, last years run was what was unexpected. Under Giampaolo the team looked disastrous. From season start it was clear that fighting for CL is out of the question. COVID just started and stadiums went empty. All this is what helped Milan to be confortable and play without any pressure.

The moment we started talking about Scudetto chances and us being 1st or CL place holders we started to crumble. Yes, this is the same team. No magic wand has made Hakan consistent, Calabria a stronhold, Romagnoli or Theo mentally strong. This is a "as good as it gets" team and I think we have to be realistic and accept the obvious. If we manage to stay in the CL zone it will be great and give us a chance to upgrade slowly.


You can look at it either way, but some of us here really thought we had started laying down the bricks to become a great team again. I mean, when was the last time we held first place for such a long time? 2012?

Yet now it all seems like a facade, a passing phase. We're playing like crap again and losing points left and right.

As green as this team may be, we shouldn't have crumbled in such an unfashionable manner.

The season is still salvageable, but I right now I think we'll end up 5th or 6th, cos the gap with the other teams is just too small.
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Inter and Juve won tonight their postponed games.

Inter - 71
Milan - 60
Juve - 59
Atalanta - 58
Napoli - 56

It's going to be extremely tough. Hopefully Napoli's inconsistency continues till the end.
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Building a great team? Oh come on!

On what basis? A 40 year old Ibrahimović that resurrected the team? No man, Milan is dead and will be for a long time. This season I hoped we could give all in and win a miracle scudetto because the opposition seemed shitty enough. But well, Inter, who waited for years and years, invested patiently season after season, finally found a silver lining. A team that got knocked out of Europe in stage one of CL and would probably lose 5-0 to almost any of the remaining CL teams.

I think it's safe to say that Milan won't be coming back so soon.
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post Apr 8 2021, 12:06 AM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 7 2021, 11:04 PM) *
Building a great team? Oh come on!

On what basis? A 40 year old Ibrahimović that resurrected the team? No man, Milan is dead and will be for a long time. This season I hoped we could give all in and win a miracle scudetto because the opposition seemed shitty enough. But well, Inter, who waited for years and years, invested patiently season after season, finally found a silver lining. A team that got knocked out of Europe in stage one of CL and would probably lose 5-0 to almost any of the remaining CL teams.

I think it's safe to say that Milan won't be coming back so soon.


Are you serious? On the basis that we have the youngest team in Italy with many interesting prospects. And you bring Zlatan as a counter argument? Come on, man.

Add to that the excellent 2020 we just had and yes, one would assume our little "project" was finally paying off. It's a very logical reasoning.
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post Apr 8 2021, 08:24 AM
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Managing expectations was always about where we are now. An exceptional position considering where this team has been in the past couple of years.

Managing expectations is also not to fall into the 'from zero to hero' trap.

The feat that propelled the team to first, from the beginning of the season to January was to rack up as much points as possible for when the hard part of the season hits the team in a headwind. Kadus to the team for taking advantage of their opportunities.
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post Apr 8 2021, 11:34 AM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 7 2021, 09:59 PM) *
Inter and Juve won tonight their postponed games.

Inter - 71
Milan - 60
Juve - 59
Atalanta - 58
Napoli - 56

It's going to be extremely tough. Hopefully Napoli's inconsistency continues till the end.


It's going to be tough, basically we have to win every game. Why are you talking about Napoli here? The real threat is Atlanata no?
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post Apr 8 2021, 11:36 AM
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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Apr 8 2021, 10:24 AM) *
Managing expectations was always about where we are now. An exceptional position considering where this team has been in the past couple of years.

Managing expectations is also not to fall into the 'from zero to hero' trap.

The feat that propelled the team to first, from the beginning of the season to January was to rack up as much points as possible for when the hard part of the season hits the team in a headwind. Kadus to the team for taking advantage of their opportunities.



Yeah, ofcourse. I think X-Off is frustrated by the regression in the way we play. But, really, sometimes it's mental. Look at Liverpool, they went from hero to zero in less than a year. What I'm getting at is that football is affected by many things, and the COVID period has been particularly tough to manage for different teams for different reasons.
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QUOTE (William405 @ Apr 8 2021, 11:36 AM) *
Yeah, ofcourse. I think X-Off is frustrated by the regression in the way we play. But, really, sometimes it's mental. Look at Liverpool, they went from hero to zero in less than a year. What I'm getting at is that football is affected by many things, and the COVID period has been particularly tough to manage for different teams for different reasons.


Liverpool also went from zero to hero in less than a year. Swings and roundabouts. Football is fickle. It giveth, taketh, giveth...
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QUOTE (William405 @ Apr 8 2021, 11:34 AM) *
It's going to be tough, basically we have to win every game. Why are you talking about Napoli here? The real threat is Atlanata no?


The real threat is 5th place, i.e. Napoli. It don't matter whether we finish 2nd or 4th.
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QUOTE (William405 @ Apr 8 2021, 11:36 AM) *
Yeah, ofcourse. I think X-Off is frustrated by the regression in the way we play. But, really, sometimes it's mental. Look at Liverpool, they went from hero to zero in less than a year. What I'm getting at is that football is affected by many things, and the COVID period has been particularly tough to manage for different teams for different reasons.


Coming in January we hadn't lost a game since March. We had a run of, what, 25 consecutive games undefeated? Granted we weren't always exceptional to look at but at least we were solid.

Then we started losing games as if 2020 didn't even take place. As if in that year we hadn't grown at all, but it was all just a mere coincidence.

Bottom line, I thought we were going growing as a team, but we've started stumbling into the same old mistakes again. That's what's unacceptable for me.
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But I don't think they are the same mistakes.

I blame much of what's happening on the management. Negotiating with key players contracts for months and months with no real achievement in their last year is amateur hour.
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