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QUOTE (Danny @ Dec 13 2013, 01:59 AM) *
To be very controversial I should point out until Berlu bought us we'd only won the EC twice. It wasn't till the Silvio revolution that we actually became this marquee European club others feared.

So are we now where Milan should be?


Absolutely correct, until Silvio came in, we were doomed to be bankrupt.

We are exactly where we were back in 86, except now we have this reputation. Not that big when peered against Barcelona, but global appeal is there.

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QUOTE (Nova @ Dec 13 2013, 02:01 AM) *
True , true and true.

But to be honest , were we ever a big spending club ? Compared to other teams I think not.

I dont recognize Milan anymore like the Milan I used to watch. I dont remember Milan splashed cash for Pirlo , Gattuso, Serginho, Kaka, Seedorf , etc ... And still managed to build a World team.

The current tranfer system really anoyes the hell out of me. If this is the best we can do , Im afraid dark ages are ahead of us.


You are right my man, our biggest transfer was somewhere around 30MM when we signed Costa. I was referring to operating expenses in wages. Today, the club set a wage-cap at 4MM. Compare that to what teams in the EPL, Bundesliga, Madrid, Barca, PSG, and Monaco pay and you'd see why players of a certain grade are rare in Milan these days. But that also is the case with Serie A as a whole, keep a close eye on inter (even with their new owner).

Over and above, since 2009/2010 the club has shifted funding to its youth sector more aggressively, and if I was to make an educated guess based on the solutions the club has on hand at the moment, it is to graduate the youth into the first team. A process that surely is very new to the Berlusconi era Milan.

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Dec 13 2013, 02:05 AM) *
Yes and no.

Firstly, I never mentioned finances. Financial problems don't exactly have to be translated into mentality problems. Milan of today is infected with Allegri's small-club mentality. At first it was a easy phrase thrown into an argument as soon as Allegri made a few mistakes. But nowadays it's almost a fact. We have an under-performing captain who's not big enough to step up or at least fit in the shoes of his predecessors, we're filled with "destructors" and "workers", we have young spoiled kids who think they're kings of the world when they score 10+ goals...shall I keep this listing?

But the main problem is our coach handles Milan like it was Cagliari. You see, he'd win Italian coach of the year award for his European achievement, just if you'd remove 'AC Milan' and put in 'AS Cagliari'. He does not know how to think bigger, make bolder decisions, create order in a much more complex surrounding with fans used to small wins and expecting the impossible on regular basis.

Now to the financial part. Yes, we're in trouble. But the thing is, we made a couple of big mistakes that don't relate to Finivest or Berlusconi's financial troubles. First and most important, we've been neglected by Silvio for years. He's outgrown Milan and replaced his favorite toy with politics. Secondly, Italy is a mess, a mess that's (in a legislative way) hitting Serie A as well - and Berlusconi has a big part in this mess in general. Thirdly, we've lost a certain hunger and became addicted to keeping a "status quo" or slowing down our decay. In a way, Berlusconi lead us to the situation (not exactly, as you surely know, but just in a way) Milan was prior to Silvio picking us up.

This "status quo" thing is what bugs me mostly with Galliani. I'm not intending to repeat Han's thesis on wage-wasting and keeping the veterans. The only thing I'm gonna say is: regeneration is key for consistently keeping up with the top clubs. And when you have a chance of mixing youth with experience and class - like Paolo, Billy, Sandro or Pippo - you should grab it. Galliani decided not to do that, he tried to petrify our team, bringing as little as possible (insignificant) change. This strategy got us set for a breaking point in the near future.

The breaking point came with Allegri. All of a sudden, Milan changed course drastically, as if someone explained to our management that we can't keep counting on the same roster over and over again. Then old stars said goodbye, some of them with bitterness and spite, some of them graciously. All we had - not only in financial terms or in terms of class - but also in mentality, spirit, philosophy and strategy disappears. All of a sudden we were no more the happy family who's giving their players the royal treatment. All of a sudden things started to happen which in no way corresponded with what we knew as the "Milan way".

Galliani tried to sell a new strategy. But he did the same mistake. He proved to be a doctrinaire and rigidly tried to implement the new policy. What happened? Another bump, a big one, for our mentality. And the failure of this new plan (or better, the rigidity which lead to this premature failure), personified by Allegri, meant he had to go.

In the end, Galliani got completely carried away. You say we're in financial trouble; yet we keep doing so many unwise deals, not only the big one - like Oliveira or Matri. But the small ones, all the Mesbahs, Traores and Niangs.


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But finances are a big part of it all, they present a logical explanation as to why Milan is shite to watch these days. I don't want to bore you, so I'll save you from it all (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

I believe the turning point you are referring to started when Shevchenko was sold for 30MM. AC Milan, one of the pillars of European football selling its golden boy for a, as han would put it, meager 30MM. From that point onwards, a new phenomenon happened. One which lead to crazy figures being talked about in the market, last being 100MM for Bale. And should I even mention the wages?

Milan cant dream of spending that kind of money, even with Silvio's backing, simply because we do not generate the Revenue that Madrid do. Finances go hand in hand with all the above, but I do agree with you, in that our position on the table today is not a mirror image of our potential.

Sure we are a bigger club than Fiorentina or Genoa, and we lack a lot in the moral department. Allegri? I doubt anyone really cheers for him in this forum, but for the good of Milan I wish he takes us as close as possible to the top spot. Galliani? We humans are not God, we are not perfect, and for all we know Pippo, Galliani could have Milan's best interest at heart. Yet just like life nothing lasts and not everything is as it seems or how we would like (or not like) to assume.

The squad is not top quality overall, yet surely not 9th place! We can dream, but not as big a dream as you would have with Pippo upfront and Seedorf in midfield. Its all about managing expectations, and it is clear to me WE fans expect a LOT from Milan. That is where the disappointment comes in.

And you know what my biggest disappointment is? I don't even recognize these players, not even Balotelli, let alone our captain. From Paolo Maldini, Franco Baresi to Montolivo! From Andry Shevchenko and SuperPippo to Balotelli! Not being nostalgic, just that the new players don't transmit the same energy nor have the charisma as the predecessors.

Then you look at the bright side of it all, all the glory hunters will move on and these young/immature players man up and Milan go back to winning FFP-compliantly (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Dec 13 2013, 01:05 AM) *
Yes and no.

Firstly, I never mentioned finances. Financial problems don't exactly have to be translated into mentality problems. Milan of today is infected with Allegri's small-club mentality. At first it was a easy phrase thrown into an argument as soon as Allegri made a few mistakes. But nowadays it's almost a fact. We have an under-performing captain who's not big enough to step up or at least fit in the shoes of his predecessors, we're filled with "destructors" and "workers", we have young spoiled kids who think they're kings of the world when they score 10+ goals...shall I keep this listing?

But the main problem is our coach handles Milan like it was Cagliari. You see, he'd win Italian coach of the year award for his European achievement, just if you'd remove 'AC Milan' and put in 'AS Cagliari'. He does not know how to think bigger, make bolder decisions, create order in a much more complex surrounding with fans used to small wins and expecting the impossible on regular basis.

Now to the financial part. Yes, we're in trouble. But the thing is, we made a couple of big mistakes that don't relate to Finivest or Berlusconi's financial troubles. First and most important, we've been neglected by Silvio for years. He's outgrown Milan and replaced his favorite toy with politics. Secondly, Italy is a mess, a mess that's (in a legislative way) hitting Serie A as well - and Berlusconi has a big part in this mess in general. Thirdly, we've lost a certain hunger and became addicted to keeping a "status quo" or slowing down our decay. In a way, Berlusconi lead us to the situation (not exactly, as you surely know, but just in a way) Milan was prior to Silvio picking us up.

This "status quo" thing is what bugs me mostly with Galliani. I'm not intending to repeat Han's thesis on wage-wasting and keeping the veterans. The only thing I'm gonna say is: regeneration is key for consistently keeping up with the top clubs. And when you have a chance of mixing youth with experience and class - like Paolo, Billy, Sandro or Pippo - you should grab it. Galliani decided not to do that, he tried to petrify our team, bringing as little as possible (insignificant) change. This strategy got us set for a breaking point in the near future.

The breaking point came with Allegri. All of a sudden, Milan changed course drastically, as if someone explained to our management that we can't keep counting on the same roster over and over again. Then old stars said goodbye, some of them with bitterness and spite, some of them graciously. All we had - not only in financial terms or in terms of class - but also in mentality, spirit, philosophy and strategy disappears. All of a sudden we were no more the happy family who's giving their players the royal treatment. All of a sudden things started to happen which in no way corresponded with what we knew as the "Milan way".

Galliani tried to sell a new strategy. But he did the same mistake. He proved to be a doctrinaire and rigidly tried to implement the new policy. What happened? Another bump, a big one, for our mentality. And the failure of this new plan (or better, the rigidity which lead to this premature failure), personified by Allegri, meant he had to go.

In the end, Galliani got completely carried away. You say we're in financial trouble; yet we keep doing so many unwise deals, not only the big one - like Oliveira or Matri. But the small ones, all the Mesbahs, Traores and Niangs.


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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Dec 13 2013, 01:56 AM) *
I believe the turning point you are referring to started when Shevchenko was sold for 30MM.


You mean £30 million, right?
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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Dec 13 2013, 02:40 AM) *
Where should Milan be then? We can not afford the Champion players and we can not compete with the BIG spenders like Madrid and Barca. We do not have the allure to attract the lucrative sponsorships. We do not have the influence as do PSG with QIA and City with Etihad, to provide a blanket funding.

Sadly Pippo, this is exactly where Milan should be. This is the reality of it all, unless we drop FFP compliance and go back to Silvio funding our operating deficit of 60MM+.

Or for those that think finances are bullocks, fire Galliani and Allegri and get Maldini and Mourinho (IMG:style_emoticons/default/king.gif)

Flavors of the day ... Now imagine what type of comments we would have had, had we been knocked out from progressing in the CL (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)


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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Dec 13 2013, 03:56 AM) *
Absolutely correct, until Silvio came in, we were doomed to be bankrupt.

We are exactly where we were back in 86, except now we have this reputation. Not that big when peered against Barcelona, but global appeal is there.

Milan should be in our hearts, that is where (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)



You are right my man, our biggest transfer was somewhere around 30MM when we signed Costa. I was referring to operating expenses in wages. Today, the club set a wage-cap at 4MM. Compare that to what teams in the EPL, Bundesliga, Madrid, Barca, PSG, and Monaco pay and you'd see why players of a certain grade are rare in Milan these days. But that also is the case with Serie A as a whole, keep a close eye on inter (even with their new owner).

Over and above, since 2009/2010 the club has shifted funding to its youth sector more aggressively, and if I was to make an educated guess based on the solutions the club has on hand at the moment, it is to graduate the youth into the first team. A process that surely is very new to the Berlusconi era Milan.



Pippo, you know I love you (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) So why do you make me read all that (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

joking, its always a pleasure (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


But finances are a big part of it all, they present a logical explanation as to why Milan is shite to watch these days. I don't want to bore you, so I'll save you from it all (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

I believe the turning point you are referring to started when Shevchenko was sold for 30MM. AC Milan, one of the pillars of European football selling its golden boy for a, as han would put it, meager 30MM. From that point onwards, a new phenomenon happened. One which lead to crazy figures being talked about in the market, last being 100MM for Bale. And should I even mention the wages?

Milan cant dream of spending that kind of money, even with Silvio's backing, simply because we do not generate the Revenue that Madrid do. Finances go hand in hand with all the above, but I do agree with you, in that our position on the table today is not a mirror image of our potential.

Sure we are a bigger club than Fiorentina or Genoa, and we lack a lot in the moral department. Allegri? I doubt anyone really cheers for him in this forum, but for the good of Milan I wish he takes us as close as possible to the top spot. Galliani? We humans are not God, we are not perfect, and for all we know Pippo, Galliani could have Milan's best interest at heart. Yet just like life nothing lasts and not everything is as it seems or how we would like (or not like) to assume.

The squad is not top quality overall, yet surely not 9th place! We can dream, but not as big a dream as you would have with Pippo upfront and Seedorf in midfield. Its all about managing expectations, and it is clear to me WE fans expect a LOT from Milan. That is where the disappointment comes in.

And you know what my biggest disappointment is? I don't even recognize these players, not even Balotelli, let alone our captain. From Paolo Maldini, Franco Baresi to Montolivo! From Andry Shevchenko and SuperPippo to Balotelli! Not being nostalgic, just that the new players don't transmit the same energy nor have the charisma as the predecessors.

Then you look at the bright side of it all, all the glory hunters will move on and these young/immature players man up and Milan go back to winning FFP-compliantly (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


Great posts guys!

Thought on the last part about nostalgia . The one player that i think can be a beacon for this milan on where the old and new can look to for charisma and energy to which he has been a beam of hope is Mattia De Sciglio , its a joy to watch him play with such fluidity and hes still so young!
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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Dec 12 2013, 10:40 PM) *
Where should Milan be then? We can not afford the Champion players and we can not compete with the BIG spenders like Madrid and Barca. We do not have the allure to attract the lucrative sponsorships. We do not have the influence as do PSG with QIA and City with Etihad, to provide a blanket funding.

Sadly Pippo, this is exactly where Milan should be. This is the reality of it all, unless we drop FFP compliance and go back to Silvio funding our operating deficit of 60MM+.

Or for those that think finances are bullocks, fire Galliani and Allegri and get Maldini and Mourinho (IMG:style_emoticons/default/king.gif)

Flavors of the day ... Now imagine what type of comments we would have had, had we been knocked out from progressing in the CL (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

But we weren't losing that kind of money before when we had a team packed with stars, in fact I think we were making profits, and I'm getting this from that chart you often post.

Sheva was not sold for money, but after we sold him the competitiveness of the team dropped off a lot, the stars we had were getting older with only Kaka being the shining light within a rapidly fading bunch. A fading bunch we were still paying the kind of money you'd pay to players in their prime. Things spiralled from there, we weren't winning anymore, we weren't going into the latter stages of the CL with the amazing regularity we were doing so under Carlo during his best years, the fans weren't coming into the stadium with the regularity and amounts they were before and suddenly we found ourselves buried in a deep hole with no way out aside from selling our best players.

Yes the economic climate and the fact that we play in Italy does not help, but Galliani had a major hand in the mismanagement of the club. We've been going downhill financially from the moment Silvio handed over all the reigns to Galliani
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Dec 13 2013, 02:40 PM) *
We've been going downhill financially from the moment Silvio handed over all the reigns to Galliani

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QUOTE (han2503 @ Dec 13 2013, 09:40 PM) *
Whatever

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True, but in defence of Han his typo is a Freudian slip.

For once Silvio reigned as boss of this great club, where now it's Galliani who reigns. Along with Babs.
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QUOTE (Danny @ Dec 13 2013, 04:57 PM) *
True, but in defence of Han his typo is a Freudian slip.

For once Silvio reigned as boss of this great club, where now it's Galliani who reigns. Along with Babs.

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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Dec 13 2013, 01:56 AM) *
Over and above, since 2009/2010 the club has shifted funding to its youth sector more aggressively, and if I was to make an educated guess based on the solutions the club has on hand at the moment, it is to graduate the youth into the first team. A process that surely is very new to the Berlusconi era Milan.

The thing is, I do not trust Milan or anyone in the management to make this happen. Maybe the plan is set into motion, but the performance and final impact of this plan is more then questionable to me. Over the years our scouts managed to shock me more often then they surprised me in a positive way: Kaka is one, while various Grimi's and Niang's come to mind more quickly. Not to mention the monstrosity of the idea of Traore. I know, this plan is a long-term plan, and I know you're approaching to it bona fide. But various factors set warning signs.

Just remember Capello - saying he's not interested when it comes to a backroom position at Milan, because we have no project.

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But finances are a big part of it all, they present a logical explanation as to why Milan is shite to watch these days. I don't want to bore you, so I'll save you from it all (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

I believe the turning point you are referring to started when Shevchenko was sold for 30MM. AC Milan, one of the pillars of European football selling its golden boy for a, as han would put it, meager 30MM. From that point onwards, a new phenomenon happened. One which lead to crazy figures being talked about in the market, last being 100MM for Bale. And should I even mention the wages?

Milan cant dream of spending that kind of money, even with Silvio's backing, simply because we do not generate the Revenue that Madrid do. Finances go hand in hand with all the above, but I do agree with you, in that our position on the table today is not a mirror image of our potential.

Sure we are a bigger club than Fiorentina or Genoa, and we lack a lot in the moral department. Allegri? I doubt anyone really cheers for him in this forum, but for the good of Milan I wish he takes us as close as possible to the top spot. Galliani? We humans are not God, we are not perfect, and for all we know Pippo, Galliani could have Milan's best interest at heart. Yet just like life nothing lasts and not everything is as it seems or how we would like (or not like) to assume.

Agreed, but it is not just the Italian context and the economic development that brought us into this position, it is Galliani's doing as well. He has Milan's best interest at heart, I'm sure, but his ways are not compatible to what we need right now. I think he's a great management asset in times of financial prosperity, but in these different times, he's just not useful anymore.

Reading your comments, one has to ask: what do you suggest then? How to avoid this financial slump we're in? Would you welcome a PSG-like takeover or do you tend to stay loyal with Berlu and the Italian model right till the end?

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And you know what my biggest disappointment is? I don't even recognize these players, not even Balotelli, let alone our captain. From Paolo Maldini, Franco Baresi to Montolivo! From Andry Shevchenko and SuperPippo to Balotelli! Not being nostalgic, just that the new players don't transmit the same energy nor have the charisma as the predecessors.

Agreed, but this disappointment is what makes me angry at Galliani. Don't you think we could have put more emphasis on youth and player development? So that we could breed the new batch of talents along our stars? Slowly introduce them along veterans and let them suck in their way, their approach and confidence.

What we did is reduce their legendary status. Why is van Basten considered a ultimate legend? Part of the truth is because he never managed to get old, so people always think of the best possible version of Marco. Look at what Gattuso did. When I say Rino, part of me wants to keep the early days in mind, when he was introduced as Milan's answer to Davids, a beast in midfield with passion and heart. But then pictures of a faded, slow and shabby Rino come, pictures of him holding Jordan by his neck and making scenes.

In a way, this provoked the youth to take a different path. You have Gattuso criticize young players like El Shaarawy, focused more on hairlines then fitness and goals, but then his own reputation does not help.

Surely, I'm not going to say any of them overstayed. Because this was part of the Milan vision, part of our plan. Boban said something similar few years ago. But what I'm angry for is that Galliani rigidly implemented this vision of Milan, even when the costs started becoming higher and higher, only to suddenly change course and throw all out the window for a cheap new replacement.

QUOTE (Ry4n @ Dec 13 2013, 03:43 AM) *
Great posts guys!

Thought on the last part about nostalgia . The one player that i think can be a beacon for this milan on where the old and new can look to for charisma and energy to which he has been a beam of hope is Mattia De Sciglio , its a joy to watch him play with such fluidity and hes still so young!

Agreed. And don't forget that Maldini has offspring (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

QUOTE (han2503 @ Dec 13 2013, 11:40 AM) *
But we weren't losing that kind of money before when we had a team packed with stars, in fact I think we were making profits, and I'm getting this from that chart you often post.

Sheva was not sold for money, but after we sold him the competitiveness of the team dropped off a lot, the stars we had were getting older with only Kaka being the shining light within a rapidly fading bunch. A fading bunch we were still paying the kind of money you'd pay to players in their prime. Things spiralled from there, we weren't winning anymore, we weren't going into the latter stages of the CL with the amazing regularity we were doing so under Carlo during his best years, the fans weren't coming into the stadium with the regularity and amounts they were before and suddenly we found ourselves buried in a deep hole with no way out aside from selling our best players.

Yes the economic climate and the fact that we play in Italy does not help, but Galliani had a major hand in the mismanagement of the club. We've been going downhill financially from the moment Silvio handed over all the reigns to Galliani


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Totally agreed Fillipo, especially about the last part.

In the words of Paolo Maldini: "Milan has been transformed, from a magical team to an absolutely normal team. Because, unlike other great clubs with a similar glorious history, like Madrid, Barça and Bayern, where whoever wrote the history of the club now works there in order to transmit to the youngsters the values of what they leaned, at Milan the management has stopped transmitting this message, regardless of the club's investments. Inside the actual Milan there are no people from who those who made history for the club that have an important role".

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Totally agreed Fillipo, especially about the last part.

In the words of Paolo Maldini: "Milan has been transformed, from a magical team to an absolutely normal team. Because, unlike other great clubs with a similar glorious history, like Madrid, Barça and Bayern, where whoever wrote the history of the club now works there in order to transmit to the youngsters the values of what they leaned, at Milan the management has stopped transmitting this message, regardless of the club's investments. Inside the actual Milan there are no people from who those who made history for the club that have an important role".

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Well let's think about this. Galliani has been here since Silvio has - coinciding with our glory period. Silvio is still here and hasn't just sold out to Russian oil magnates under whom our future could be potentially unpredictable. Pippo is Primavera coach so remains integral.

Paolo is right that we are ordinary right now, but I'm not sure I buy his reasoning. Clubs do go through horrible slumps at times, and it doesn't always occur through mismanagement or a lack of youth philosophy.

Two examples in England; Liverpool - glorious history but in the past 27 years they've been out of the game. Man Utd - glorious history but this season mirroring us.

And furthermore we seem have a deluded memory of the Carlo days - he won 2 CL's yes, but the same f*cking number of Scudettos as Allegri with a vastly better squad.

When WERE these glory days Paolo alludes to? Late 80s? Yes. 90s? For sure. All bankrolled by Silvio.

It wasn't a lack of youth policy or club philosophy which has led to this right now - it's money. Nothing more.

Lastly, how many of Bayern's top players are from their own youth ranks?

3; Schweinsteiger, Lahm and Muller. That's it! They bought the rest of their team!

Money, sadly, drives football. It is what sets the top clubs apart. Just like us once upon a time.
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post Dec 16 2013, 12:41 AM
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But the fact that Silvio and Galliani are still here means nothing. Our objectives in the past used to be scudetto and Champions League, now it's 3rd place and Round of 16. That's what the management asks, because they need the money. Winning is not an ambition anymore. And this philosophy is transmitted to the players. Especially when you have a coach with a small-club mentality like Allegri. I agree that money plays a very large role in this aspect, but I can see where Paolo is coming from.
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And you know what my biggest disappointment is? I don't even recognize these players, not even Balotelli, let alone our captain. From Paolo Maldini, Franco Baresi to Montolivo! From Andry Shevchenko and SuperPippo to Balotelli! Not being nostalgic, just that the new players don't transmit the same energy nor have the charisma as the predecessors.

This so freaking much.

Again, not to get all nostalgic, but my Milan is from the mid-to-late 2000s. I still remember what I was doing when we won the '07 CL. In contrast, the guys today seem almost like...strangers.
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