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Danny
post Dec 18 2011, 03:10 PM
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http://ibroxnoise.blogspot.com/2011/12/whe...e-not-dive.html

I write a Rangers blog, but after the Boateng incident yesterday I decided to write about simulation in general.
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post Dec 18 2011, 04:04 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Dec 18 2011, 03:10 PM) *
http://ibroxnoise.blogspot.com/2011/12/whe...e-not-dive.html

I write a Rangers blog, but after the Boateng incident yesterday I decided to write about simulation in general.

The Boateng incident was a close call; there was little contact maybe the referee shouldn't have given the penalty. It proved to me how intelligent Boateng he's; he intentionally wait for the keeper and implicate him.
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post Dec 18 2011, 05:18 PM
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Nicely written, man. Good blog you've got there! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/king.gif) I would agree with it 100% any given Sunday, but yesterday was something different. There was a bit of a contact, the keeper lunged towards Boateng, who went down, play acted and cried in pain - all under the umbrella of a tactical dive. Not the prettiest sight, but I've seen worse.

Still, any other day (and with the GK lunging towards the player like a crazed maniac), I'd have called it a dive.
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post Dec 18 2011, 05:27 PM
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I saw no contact, but I agree entirely with you that Boateng's response on the turf was ridiculous. At least Rangers' Aluko didn't pretend he'd been cut open with a chainsaw.

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post Dec 18 2011, 05:35 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Dec 18 2011, 09:27 PM) *
I saw no contact, but I agree entirely with you that Boateng's response on the turf was ridiculous. At least Rangers' Aluko didn't pretend he'd been cut open with a chainsaw.

Yes, totally agreed. That's one thing that should be out of the game, this very instant. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) Playacting like you've just been shot, and then as soon as the referee awards the penalty, the player is up, smiling, like nothing happened. This wasn't the case a few years back, but this new generation of footballers want everything to go their way by hook or crook.
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post Dec 18 2011, 06:06 PM
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Yes,in slow motion it looks really bad.But,what's not been taken notice of is that Boateng was going really fast,and he didn't have much options.Is it a dive?probably yes.Have I lost any respect from Boateng because of it?No.
Also,there was contact from the goalkeeper's knee to boateng's ankle when Boateng pushed the ball forward.


Nice blog,you have there Danny (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) .The design is horrible though,I'd advise you to change it.

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post Dec 18 2011, 06:20 PM
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QUOTE (William405 @ Dec 18 2011, 10:06 PM) *
The design is horrible though,I'd advise you to change it.

Well it's noisy. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) In a good way. Goes great with the title of the blog!
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post Dec 18 2011, 06:23 PM
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I would be frustrated and I still don't like it at all but at the same time I see so many decisions where the player has so obviously, blatantly dived, or cheated to get someone sent off, usually the best teams in the world.

So if you can't beat them, join them.
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post Dec 18 2011, 07:07 PM
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QUOTE (Milan Are Brilliant @ Dec 18 2011, 06:23 PM) *
I would be frustrated and I still don't like it at all but at the same time I see so many decisions where the player has so obviously, blatantly dived, or cheated to get someone sent off, usually the best teams in the world.

So if you can't beat them, join them.

Hear hear
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post Dec 18 2011, 07:17 PM
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I rather have our players ''earn'' a penalty with a dive to help us winning than not and see us losing / dropping points.

Think about the pressure, the ambition, etc. For a reason it's rare when there's a player who would never do this. You all can disgust this, but most of you would dive to when the situation for it is ideal.
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post Dec 18 2011, 08:35 PM
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It's difficult for referees at the time. I would like to see FAs give players long bans for diving though after they've checked video replays after the game.
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post Dec 19 2011, 09:14 AM
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Good blog Danny (IMG:style_emoticons/default/king.gif)

The incident of simulations has always been present with the sport, and as you highlighted in your blog, it is further examined with the help of technology. However, I believe the referee calls it with the split second that he has seen it and not with the help of replays and such. For that, I would suggest what Kurt asserted in the quote below. I think that is a remedy to reduce such incidents in the future.

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Dec 18 2011, 10:35 PM) *
It's difficult for referees at the time. I would like to see FAs give players long bans for diving though after they've checked video replays after the game.


I believe that is only fair, but in addition, I would recommend adding another official behind the goal line, ala the CL.
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post Dec 19 2011, 12:36 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Dec 18 2011, 09:35 PM) *
It's difficult for referees at the time. I would like to see FAs give players long bans for diving though after they've checked video replays after the game.

Long ban for a dive? That's ridiculous. One dive, and you got a long ban? Right...

They get yellow at most during the match now. And it are dangerous tackles that deserve long bans, not this.

And often it's hard to judge if it's a true dive, or not really. Give a long ban for that, gonna be difficult... and over the top anyway

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post Dec 19 2011, 12:38 PM
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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Dec 19 2011, 11:44 AM) *
I believe that is only fair, but in addition, I would recommend adding another official behind the goal line, ala the CL.

I still haven't quite figured out what those fourth officials do there. they certainly do nothing in regards to penalties and corner/goal kicks. I think they're there just to make sure whether the balls has crossed the line on certain (albeit rare) occasions. so having them for dives is pointless anyway.

I think a 3-match ban would be enough for a dive after it's proved with video replays.

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post Dec 19 2011, 12:43 PM
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The keeper did make contact with Boateng but it was certainly minimal. I think it was a dive, the only thing to decide in my mind is whether the contact was minimal enough for it to be punishable by the league.
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