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Posted by: arivanjj May 19 2008, 11:01 AM

Milan have been searching for a new number one for next season, as Nelson Dida will be released on a free transfer, while doubts still linger over the quality of Zeljko Kalac.

A host of shot-stoppers have been linked with a move to the Stadio Meazza, including the likes of Sebastien Frey, Artur Boruc, and Heurelho Gomes.

French newspaper L’Equipe says that Milan have agreed personal terms with Nice’s Hugo Lloris over a four-year contract.

The Rossoneri have been scouting the 21-year-old for the last 18 months, and just have to agree transfer fee with the French club. A price of just over €5m has been mooted.

Lloris has won three caps for the French Under-21s, and has also made two appearance for the France B team.

He was born in Nice, and came up through his hometown club’s youth academy, making his senior debut as a teenager in 2005.


http://www.goal.com/en/articolo.aspx?contenutoid=701918

Posted by: rhy_A4 May 19 2008, 11:16 AM

FORZA MILAN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG !!! I LOVE THS GUY !!!

Posted by: redbabies May 19 2008, 11:39 AM

Good Job!

Here's a compilation of him:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBGezxHGsEQ

Posted by: zdrossoneri May 19 2008, 11:42 AM

Hopefully he's our goalkeeper for the next 15 years! the potential is there, he just has to endure possible mental pressures of being a Milan player. Gila and Gourcuff weren't good enough at this, and they'll have to search for a new club now. hopefully our new players fit right in without much problem. we have to win the Scudetto next season to keep other teams' fans' big mouths shut, those fvckers!

Posted by: armisse May 19 2008, 11:46 AM

Posted by: arivanjj May 19 2008, 12:03 PM

wow i must say this is the first time i've seen him... and he looks quality all around! and he is notably very agile



thanks for the vid

Posted by: acid911 May 19 2008, 12:30 PM

Good positioning, this guy has. Seems like a good signing. Oh, well another French dude: the Age of France is upon Milan.

Posted by: Devillito May 19 2008, 12:40 PM

Good start. Never seen him play live,
but my friend said they rate him highly there.

Posted by: Tennie May 19 2008, 12:43 PM

Apparently, we've got Leonardo to thank for finalizing the deal. the Italian media is reporting he was in Nice on Friday to meet with their leadership and Lloris. (Can we make Leonardo our transfer guru please?)

Posted by: amancik May 19 2008, 01:17 PM

He brought Kaka' to Milan right? Did he bring Pato too?

Posted by: fresh_prince7 May 19 2008, 01:18 PM

So is it official?

Posted by: zdrossoneri May 19 2008, 01:20 PM

Forza Leonardo!!! I love this guy. it seems every great talent we buy is thanks to him. I think he can be one of the best transfer gurus in the future. he can distinguish real talents from those who just have flashes of brilliance since he's been a player himself. he perfectly knows football [unlike some ] now I'm more confident about Lloris [should we finally make it official]. I know he's gonna be a Mian player because he's worth it.

Posted by: arivanjj May 19 2008, 01:22 PM

yep



nothing official yet FP7

Posted by: amancik May 19 2008, 01:23 PM

yep nothing official yet but it's very close

Posted by: KillerMax May 19 2008, 01:42 PM

This would be such an exciting signing, I'm trying not to get my hopes high. He looks like he would fit in perfectly with the rest of the group. He has that Milan factor.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 19 2008, 02:15 PM

Really? Is he that good? I saw him just a couple of times. But...Milan never had a French keeper. Hmh, I wonder if this will work.

And btw., is it sure Milan will release Dida? That's bothering me. I like him still, watherver he's done..

Posted by: Tennie May 19 2008, 02:20 PM

The rumor's been around for a couple of weeks that Dida will be released, yes. Nothing's been confirmed, though.

Posted by: zdrossoneri May 19 2008, 02:25 PM

I think those you don't hear of will go. Gila... I haven't seem him play, or heard the club speak about him, for weeks [or months?], now. so he will leave! same goes for Dida. it's like we've never had a keeper named Dida. there's simply no sign of him.

Posted by: morgoth May 19 2008, 02:38 PM

Gila yes, but Gourcuff hasn't been giving a chance this season, I don't know why you're saying that he hasn't the quality to play for Milan

Lloris could turn out to be a great signing but the question is would signing him mean that there would be no Frey? In fact, I can't see Milan and Carlo trust a 21 years old kid as their number one keeper, so it's probably going to be Kalac as number 1 and Lloris as a backup, honestly I'd prefer Frey and Lloris.

By the way, Bayern joined the race for Frey ...

Posted by: fresh_prince7 May 19 2008, 03:15 PM

To be honest for a GK, theres not much to adapt, same everywhere just keep it out of the back of the net.

Pressure? Maybe, got to give him an opportunity, sitting him on the pine doesn't relieve that pressure. He'll eventually get called up and have that same pressure.

I'll be so p*ssed, if kalac if our #1 next season, bar the good work he has done this season.

Frey > Llrois > Kalac

Posted by: zdrossoneri May 19 2008, 03:18 PM

I never said he doesn't have the quality. actually I've always been one of his defenders! but the truth is Milan was too big for him. he's mentally weak...

Posted by: morgoth May 19 2008, 03:23 PM

Actually I meant mental quality ... it's not like he played regularly and failed, and if you refer to the Celtic game, keep in mind that before that game he didn't play for like a month or something!

Posted by: kurtsimonw May 19 2008, 04:25 PM

I can't say I've really seen the guy play too often, but.. are Milan counting on a 21-year old who's barely made 50 club appearances in his career and without a full international cap as their number 1? Surely he'd be a backup, no?

Posted by: LaPalma May 19 2008, 04:38 PM

Why not? Bayern will have a 23 yo goalie next season who doesn't even have that much appearances. If he's good...why not? But tbh I haven't seen anything from him yet.

Posted by: Devillito May 19 2008, 04:45 PM

^^
Heard a rumor that Bayern is interested to sign Frey.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan May 19 2008, 04:56 PM

casisllas started for madrid when he was also very young i dont have any problem that he is too young or inexperienced i think he has enough talent to be our no 1

Posted by: LaPalma May 19 2008, 04:57 PM

That's bs. Bayern are only looking for a Nr. 2. And that won't be Frey. Believe me. Uli Hoeneß said more than once Michael Rensing will be Kahns sucessor. And what Uli says Uli does.

Posted by: Tennie May 19 2008, 05:01 PM

Heard that Bayern are looking perhaps at one of the American keepers playing in England as backup for Rensing.

Posted by: LaPalma May 19 2008, 05:07 PM

It's been they're looking for Kasey Keller. Would be a logical move as he already has Bundesliga experience (with Gladbach).

Posted by: Bluesummers May 19 2008, 05:33 PM

Lloris is a good buy especially for 5 mil. We'll use kalac as number 1 and then once he is ready to go we'll use him. We got nothing to lose next season so why not. I highly doubt our club will actually try to win the uefa cup. Scudetto will be the main goal.

Posted by: zdrossoneri May 19 2008, 05:59 PM

We're not playing in the CL, so it's not THAT important that he hasn't much experience.

Posted by: kurtsimonw May 19 2008, 06:26 PM

That's true. But not many inexperienced GKs win league titles either!

Posted by: nuh May 19 2008, 06:53 PM

but so far we are making the rht buys =)

Posted by: hatebreeder.nick May 19 2008, 07:38 PM

yup.. agreed he'l fit in perfctly in milan!!

Posted by: Minami May 19 2008, 07:47 PM

I saw him play a couple of times and his performance was really great for a 21 GK. But I don't think that we'll only spend about 5 mill for a new GK.

Llois is good, but we should buy someone like Frey to be no. 1. moreover there wouldn't be so much pressure on llois.

but i would welcome both to milan

hopefully there wil be more transfery coming

Posted by: Warchant May 19 2008, 09:11 PM

looks like a good signing

Posted by: kurtsimonw May 19 2008, 09:22 PM

Well, his team had a superb defensive record last season, especially considering where they finished, so that's always a good sign.

Posted by: zdrossoneri May 19 2008, 09:27 PM

In Leonardo, we trust

Posted by: Portikins May 19 2008, 10:39 PM

Make it official.

Posted by: Bluesummers May 20 2008, 05:09 AM

quote of the year!

Posted by: Habitant May 21 2008, 06:59 AM

i think we should have a poll and decide that!

Posted by: dst May 21 2008, 08:29 AM

Have never seen him play. Only that YouTube compilaton... can't say. I don't like his face...

Damn, why can't we have Buffon? We should have snatched him when we had the chance!

Anyway... if he comes I hope he'll succeed here.

Let's hope so. And welcome!

Posted by: dst May 21 2008, 08:34 AM

By the way... don't you think there's too few great goalkeepers around? I mean... besides Buffon, Casillas, Cech and César... the rest are just good. Of course these guys are as good as it gets but... I think there's quite a big gap in quality between them and the rest of the goalies in Europe.

Posted by: Devillito May 21 2008, 08:47 AM

U r back huh?
How was your trip?

and btw, if Lloris come. Would he become our 1st or 2nd?

Posted by: zdrossoneri May 21 2008, 09:16 AM

That's why we should go for young keepers that have the potential to become the next great keeper...

Posted by: Il Capitano May 21 2008, 11:12 AM

Is he saying that Abbiati won't stay if we sign Lloris?

Posted by: Tennie May 21 2008, 11:35 AM

Yep! And given what Abbiati did when he was temporarily a zebra, it's good news to me.

Posted by: Il Capitano May 21 2008, 12:45 PM

I agree but I'm worried that they drop the negotiations with Nice because Abbiati is afraid of competition. They should sell Abbiati this year instead of a loan.

Posted by: whoarethepatriots May 21 2008, 01:25 PM

Yeah, i thought that Abbiati was an ex Primavera player, but he isnt. That would have been a mitigating factor, but is now irrelevant. Lloris all the way now

Posted by: morgoth May 21 2008, 01:46 PM

There's an official interest for Lloris from Bordeaux, and honestly Milan could easily lose out the keeper since Bordeaux is a French club, will play CL next season and doesn't have too much keeper in the roster as we do ...

About Abbiati, it's reported that l'Atletico could keep him because they'll need another keeper for next season, but Abbiati who wants first team football wouldn't stay if Leo Franco was to come back as the first choice.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan May 21 2008, 02:23 PM

OHH we need to act quickly now

Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 21 2008, 02:58 PM

I agree. It's interesting how a gap developed throught the years and now we practically have a few veteran and experienced keepers - Casillas, Buffon, Van der Sar and a few talented youngsters. But I agree, there's not much quality keepers around. Especially Italy. Seems like all the kids lost interest in dreaming becoming a keeper for the Azzuri after watching Buffon and realizing that he'll be the No.1 till...ad infinitum.

But Germany IMO is an exemption. Beside veteran keeper Oli Kahn, they have experienced internationals like Lehmann, Enke, even Butt, then youngsters like Adler, Neuer or Rensing and also some middle-class keepers like Simon Jentsch or Timo Hildebrandt. Nowhere near the other countries..

Posted by: Il Capitano May 21 2008, 03:41 PM

Yeah and their offer is better according to the news. We need to act fast or we'll lose. I hope Lloris is an honest person and keeps his end of the deal so Milan and Nice can solve the fee.

Posted by: redbabies May 21 2008, 04:31 PM

Do you really believe he would choose Bordeaux before Milan? You gotta be kidding!

That would only had a 10% chance of happening if Milan wouldn't offer him Nr.1 spot, but we know that if he comes he'll be our Nr.1 (hopefully for more than a decade).

So, if Milan want him, he'll be there!

Posted by: Bluesummers May 21 2008, 04:54 PM

galliani will sign him this week. How do i know? He hasn't talked about it yet

Posted by: hatebreeder.nick May 21 2008, 06:10 PM

I think its time 4 milan to move on!.. Dida was awful this season n Kalac was simply mediocre!! We wont b playin the CL next season so i think its d best time 2 get this young guy n mould him into milan!!.. He would b beter dan Kalac neways

Posted by: dst May 21 2008, 06:43 PM

I'd prepfer Curci.

Posted by: amancik May 21 2008, 10:53 PM

He's full of surprises & BS

Posted by: Habitant May 22 2008, 02:45 AM

in the end it doesnt change much because you can only play 1 baring injuries.

Posted by: I_Rossoneri May 22 2008, 10:06 PM

I concur

Abbiati is crap anyway

Posted by: dst May 22 2008, 10:23 PM

I'm not sure what he did in his time at Juve... it's something he said about Milan right? But you have to remember that he refused to play against us in the league that season, the game we won 3-1 at San Siro!

Posted by: Darunia May 26 2008, 06:32 PM

Apparently Lloris is close to signing for Lyon

Posted by: I_Rossoneri May 27 2008, 03:45 PM

Start of a bad summer?!?!?!

Posted by: whoarethepatriots May 27 2008, 04:08 PM

Nah, gives us a higher chance of securing Curci

(wishful thinking on my behalf)

Posted by: Tennie May 27 2008, 04:37 PM

Controcampo seems to think that the Lloris-to-Milan deal is back on.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan May 27 2008, 04:53 PM

could you pleae explain a bit more on that

Posted by: Tennie May 27 2008, 05:00 PM

They're running a story stating that Milan will meet with Nice representatives on Thursday to finalize the deal and that Abbiati (as is reported elsewhere) will be sold to Palermo. http://www.sportmediaset.it/mercato/articoli/11564/abbiati+al+palermo

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan May 27 2008, 06:01 PM

oh thanks

Posted by: I_Rossoneri May 27 2008, 06:18 PM

fantastic news on both counts

Posted by: Bluesummers May 27 2008, 07:57 PM

they better sign him! If lyon jump in and out bid us, i demand answers!

Posted by: armisse May 27 2008, 08:26 PM

Lloris makes me really happy ! i like him a lot

Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 27 2008, 08:39 PM

I'm still unclear as to why Lloris is so key for the future of the club and we're all going ballistic if we miss out. Are we basing this on a few youtube highlights?

I'm sorry but since I don't see the Ligue 1, I don't know. I'd rather we get Coupet for the next couple of seasons. I mean Van Der Saar was only 37.

I mean I could hash a collection of Kalac saves from this season and the last, each save and a replay, and make a 3minute video and call him one of the top keepers in the world.

Posted by: dst May 27 2008, 08:45 PM

Why are we all so ecstatic about this transfer? I mean... has anyone actually seen this guy play?

Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 27 2008, 08:47 PM

You want to steal my lines...stand in queue...homeboy.

Posted by: morgoth May 27 2008, 08:49 PM

I've never seen him play but I've always heard about him as a great talent for the future, and now the fact that Lyon are thinking about him to replace Coupet as their number one speaks for itself ...

Posted by: KillerMax May 27 2008, 08:52 PM

Because he has been one of the most sought after goalkeepers for the past couple of years and he is one of the most promising French players out there right now. Very few people had seen Pato play before he joined Milan. When a relatively unknown player gets a lot of attention, that usually means the potential is there.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 27 2008, 08:54 PM

I doubt he will be made #1 at Milan, I'm not so sure, but I doubt it

Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 27 2008, 08:55 PM

Really??

I mean most sought after?

I didn't hear about this guy till a few weeks before. I'd call Adler, Neuer, even Ben Foster to some extent sought after. But lloris??

Patomania was huge compared to Lloris. I mean it was not Lyon we were competing with. There was Chelsea, Inter, Madrid...

Posted by: morgoth May 27 2008, 08:57 PM

That's exactly why he's going to sign for Lyon



Keep in mind that you're comparing a French with a Brazilian and a GK with a striker, of course there was more hype around Pato, he scores goals and make a show, he doesn't stop others from scoring ...

Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 27 2008, 08:58 PM

+1

Posted by: dst May 27 2008, 08:59 PM

Now why don't you tell the truth... you want him cause he's got good stats in FM!

Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 27 2008, 09:02 PM

^^
Ahhhh...why didn't you just say so..misdirecting us with all the youtube vids.

Sign the biaatch!!

Posted by: dst May 27 2008, 09:03 PM

Posted by: Bluesummers May 27 2008, 09:21 PM

with that kind of attitude madrid would have never signed casillas. Just because he is young deosnt meen he isn't good. I for one watch the french league and have to say that he has an amazing reaction speed towards saves. His positioning is good and is one of the reasons why nice was so succesful. We cannot look past him because of his age or because he is french or from nice.

Potentionally i see him being in the same ranks as cassillas.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 27 2008, 09:24 PM

So he is better than Coupet? Yes? No?

Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 27 2008, 09:32 PM

..really???

One thing - Madrid never signed Casillas. They had him from the beginning.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 27 2008, 09:33 PM

^^

Oh yeah..that too.

I got one word for you all Lloris lovers. Offredi. Remember the name.

Posted by: dst May 27 2008, 09:36 PM

Offredi... that name sucks worse than the Greek ones...

Posted by: Bluesummers May 27 2008, 09:36 PM

you get my point. When did he start playing for madrid 18 right?

Posted by: Bluesummers May 27 2008, 09:37 PM

No. Coupet is much better but i garuntee here, garuntee from what i saw he will be a better GK than coupet. He is about maybe half of coupet now. But you gotta remember coupet is very very good. I rate him in top 5 keepers.

Posted by: morgoth May 27 2008, 09:40 PM

Of course Coupet is better right now but I'm sure in two years Lloris will surpass him.



What about Facchin then

Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 27 2008, 09:41 PM

Then get both and Casillas as well just to be sure...

Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 27 2008, 09:42 PM

Yeah..and the way Milan works it's transfers is very very wierd.

You can ask R7.

He'll tell you tales of how, we sometimes step off some players, or buy some players to loan them off, just so we can get first option for primavera players to the squad we 'lost' out to. See? For all you know the deal probably went->Yo Lyon..we won't compete over Lloris(therefore push his price up), so now you give us Coupet for a discount, since he don't want to play for you anymore!

And Coupet type is I think the need of the hour. Someone who can pick up from year one. Tennie will tell you we have some decently formidable goalkeeping talent in the 15-19 category. Besides there's always Parma.

Posted by: Bluesummers May 27 2008, 09:44 PM

when was the last time we used our youth squad for anything. Just curious.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 27 2008, 09:45 PM

Paloschi?

Posted by: Bluesummers May 27 2008, 09:46 PM

lol, i mean like actually use him. Like use him in our squad for years continuing.

Posted by: KillerMax May 27 2008, 09:47 PM

I learned about Lloris through PES exactly 2 years ago. I have a habit of keeping tabs on players I like in PES/FM. He has gotten more attention every year and has also improved a lot. He is one of those goalkeepers that has a unique style of goalkeeping. He is also the agile type which I think makes a goalkeeper much more effective and exciting.

All that said, he has not proved himself yet on the big stage and if he comes to Milan he will have to be ready to take on a very big responsibility. Just like Pato succeeded, whereas Gila failed. It is always a risk buying a player. But young players are more exciting a risk than old ones.

Posted by: Habitant May 27 2008, 09:50 PM

maybe because a team like man u that has lots of young players in their prime can afford to sign older player.

would really do us any good to sign a keeper like coupet?

i think that would defeat the whole purpose of rebuilding. thats why i'd rather a kid like lloris that has lots of potential over another quick fix.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 27 2008, 10:34 PM

Mediaset is reporting that Lloris is very close to a Milan deal. With Abiatti all but gone (3.2M euro transfer fee, 3 yr contract 1.2M/season) ... Lloris will signa s early as this Thursday if things go to plan with Palermo.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan May 29 2008, 10:23 AM

Nice spokesman have said he will be sold to lyon

Posted by: weeeow May 29 2008, 12:09 PM

stupid lyon

Posted by: zdrossoneri May 29 2008, 12:54 PM

I don't want Abbiati back I'd rather we stick with Dida...

Posted by: han2503 May 29 2008, 02:47 PM

Looks like we're moving backwords rather then forward, bringing back Boriello and Abbiati and already loosing out to Lyon for a good keeper. Pretty much the same story we've had for the past 3-4 years

Posted by: whoarethepatriots May 29 2008, 02:57 PM

I cant believe Lloris was sacrificed for Abbiati. He is unreliable and about as consistent and error prone as Dida. He isnt even and ex primavera player unlike Borriello

We have taken a large step backwards, we have no consistent keepers and no talents for the future

Posted by: zdrossoneri May 29 2008, 03:04 PM

WHY don't we go for Amelia? is something wrong with him? he's young, Italian, has a reasonable price, technically very good with room for further improvement, World Champion, #2 Azzurri 'keeper, handsome, etc, etc.

Posted by: Tennie May 29 2008, 03:14 PM

I don't think there's a cause for doom & gloom on this, guys. La Palma's analysis is the right one, I think: Milan couldn't or wouldn't guarantee he'd be an automatic starter (which is understandable considering his youth) and so he opted for Lyon.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 29 2008, 03:16 PM

^ Amelia is far overrated. Abbiati is better. But why all that sudden fuss? Who siad anything about sacrificed Lloris for Abbiati? We called him back just to stick the price-tag on his head..

Posted by: morgoth May 29 2008, 03:22 PM

I don't think it's fair to call them stupid when we had the chance to seal the deal

It's the best choice for him and I think every body, but a Milan fan, would have done the same thing. Lyon gives a starting spot while Milan would have told him to work and impress the coach first, considering that that coach is Carlo he was right not to take the risk. Anyway, in 3/4 years we'll know what we really missed!

Posted by: zdrossoneri May 29 2008, 03:25 PM

Abbiati is better? and could you explain why he doesn't have a place in gli Azzurri, not even as the third choice? I guess you say this because Abbiati is a Milan player...

Posted by: whoarethepatriots May 29 2008, 03:48 PM

Abbiati was unimpressive for Atletico this season, his handling was very poor. He would manage to save a shot but would hit it right back in the area or do something equally as comical

Amelia played very well for Livorno this season. He may be slightly overrated but he is still better than any of our current goalkeepers

Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 29 2008, 03:50 PM

No, I do not - I particualry dislike Abiatti and would rather see Kalac one more season. Why? Cause Amelia has a future and Abbiati not. Amelia is still young and it's allways wise to take a young keeper as a second/third option. There wouldn't be any point in selecting Abbiati for the Azzuri...

Posted by: han2503 May 29 2008, 04:27 PM

Didn't know that was in the job description for being a Milan player


But anyway the point is we're already striking out and instead of improving the squad we're bringing players back that have already proved that they are of no use to Milan

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 29 2008, 04:58 PM

My God !!! You really surprise me han, the window hasn't even opened yet ! Do you know of the agenda that the board have for thus summer ?

Comon man

Posted by: Bluesummers May 29 2008, 05:22 PM

Sad, there goes our casillas. No doubt that gourcuff had some say in this lol.

Posted by: zdrossoneri May 29 2008, 05:31 PM

Call me nuts but I think it's a very slight factor!


How can we officially sell one of our players [Gila] when the window hasn't even opened yet?

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 29 2008, 05:40 PM

It's not official till the window opens.

Posted by: zdrossoneri May 29 2008, 05:43 PM

1st of June?

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 29 2008, 05:54 PM

And what's your point ? You wanna start bashing ? Go ahead.

Posted by: morgoth May 29 2008, 05:55 PM

July, I think!

Posted by: zdrossoneri May 29 2008, 06:05 PM

Ah, I got what R7 means. well, just because you can't register a player until first of June or July or whatever doesn't mean you cannot even buy/sell them. who gives a damn about when the transfer window opens anyway?

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 29 2008, 06:07 PM

No one, you are right ... This is a cheap club, bash away

Posted by: LaPalma May 29 2008, 06:07 PM

Next casillas... Has anyone besides morgoth ever seen this guy play? Nope...so how do we know?

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 29 2008, 06:08 PM

R you serious !! This guy is sooo BIG, you have no idea !! shht before anyone hears you

Posted by: han2503 May 29 2008, 06:09 PM

Yep, it hasn't opened yet and already we're losing out and supposedly going for the cheap options like always, Borriello is done, so that's one out of the 2 keepers, and Abbiati is supposedly also on his way.

Call me crazy but I just can't see how the transfers that the club has done so far are helping the team at all, intead we're miving backwards.

Personally I know how you felt about Gila but you can't tell me that getting Boriello is an improvement. He is the guy that took the Milan name and gave it a rub down with mud with that doping thing and has never done one good thing for us in the past when he was given the chance, yes he had a great season with Genoa but Gila at Parma was a phenomenon and look what happened to him at Milan Imo Boriello is just the same, only he was just good when he played for a small team while Gila was great.




The deal can still be struck between the 2 clubs, but the window will have to open before the transfer is officially acknowledged

Posted by: zdrossoneri May 29 2008, 06:10 PM

Bash? cheap club? are you OK my friend? when did I say these things?

Posted by: han2503 May 29 2008, 06:12 PM

Well I personally I would rather have him as our starter next season then either Kalac or Abbiati that's for sure, maybe he isn't the next Cassillas, but from what I heard of him he is a good solid keeper which is more then I can say for the ones we'll supposedly have next season

Fact is Lyon got him and if he does well for them we'll see his price shoot up astronomically if we try to buy him because that's what Lyon do

Posted by: zdrossoneri May 29 2008, 06:12 PM

That's the important part. to arrive at an agreement with the player and his club.

Posted by: han2503 May 29 2008, 06:15 PM

Exactly, a deal can be made in the middle of march and in some ways it is official because all the papers are signed, but the transfer window has to open before the transfer is "officially" acknowledged and the player can play for the club

Posted by: zdrossoneri May 29 2008, 06:26 PM

We're not going to wait until the transfer window opens to make our moves, are we? because that's my impression of R7's words. we have already sold Gila, doesn't matter if it's not registered in FIGC books yet. it is official in reality.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 29 2008, 06:28 PM

I didn't say Borriello was a replacement for Gilardino, I never said he was the next best thing and I certainly am not considering him to be a WC striker that Galliani was talking about. I said, Milan needs to bring a player from it's primavera so it can fulfill the UEFA requirements for next season.

What I am saying is that you are making a case out of nothing, seeing as Abiatti is a Milan player and since he was loaned out he must come back.


Bottom line is, Milan haven't yet started any transfers. If you wanna start somewhere, start with Zambrotta and how Milan are just 1.5M away from signing him. Even there, you cant, since it's a loooong summer and the season has just ended. I'm not telling you what to do, I'm just saying, it's damn too early to decide if Borriello is the only striker Milan will get !!

Posted by: han2503 May 29 2008, 06:40 PM

Who knows, at this rate I think they'll make the move a week before the window closes, that's what they've been doing for these last few years, scrambling in the last week to make a transfer. Think of the Oliveira situation



I'm not saying that Boriello is the WC striker that Galliani was talking about, but that he's one of the 2, and yes he is a primavera and all that but in terms of quality for the team he is a step backwards. The only good thing I see in him is the primavera factor other then that I think he's a waste of money and time and will only bring trouble in the locker room if he doesn't play the ammount of time he thinks is neccissary for his greatness

Yeah Zambrotta is only 1.5m away from being a Milan player but if Galliani decides to be stubborn about it I can see that 1.5M puddle become an ocean.

I know it's early in the summer and you do have a point, but look at clubs that are serious in getting better they're already making necceissary buys to improve their teams.

And Milan as always will wait till the last week to try and scramble to complete a deal for a big player and failing and in the end settling for something mediocre because there wasn't enough time

Posted by: I_Rossoneri May 29 2008, 06:47 PM

Excellent post

Posted by: Tennie May 29 2008, 06:49 PM

Seems to me that for a lot of folks right now it doesn't matter much what Milan does (or fails to do), they're not going to be happy anyway.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 29 2008, 06:57 PM

What is going on here ?!


Everyone is on Borriello's case !! What has this kid done that is so bad ?? Sure he isn't WC, but that doesn't mean he wont be a good rotation player. When Galliani was asked about Borriellos' agent's statements about the player wanting to be a regular, he replied and said that he wasn't the coach - thus a decision like this is to be taken by the coach! If Borriello wants to be a regular he has to prove it ! Same as with any WC striker that Milan will bring in. Hell, Rivaldo was benched by Milan

Zambrotta will end up in Milan. As I said, Pippo's negotiations started off at 12M and went on a back and forth for a month or so, till Milan payed up. It's called negotiations, and that is what Milan are doing negotiating.


About scrambling on the last day .. Who said that Milan always do that ? Has it become a norm now ? And the last day is on the 31st of August, so are you seriously gonna be doing this tug-o-war for 3 months ?!

Milan are not in a serious need to rebuild. Milan know what they want and have already set their targets. Prior to the derby, Don Ceseare Maldini said 'live' on jazeera sports channel that Milan are currently negotiating with five players, this was early April. But it's not like Milan to release a press statement everyday, telling everyone what they are doing and how things are going.

p.s. you might even agree with me on this, nothing is to be believed or official till it makes acmilan.com ... And this is the time of the years that you need to seriously consider this. Hence please don't assume something unless it becomes a reality .. It's not good for your health

Posted by: han2503 May 29 2008, 07:00 PM

I would be happy with any keeper that I know is solid, I don't even expect someone WC I just want someone that we can rely on, and same for the striker, I thought that if we sold Gila we would get an improvement but instead we're going backwords.

Everyone here thought that we would take steps towards rebuilding the team as Galliani said but that's not happening. So it isn't a case of the fans on here not being happy no matter what the management does, good or bad, it's the fact the we'll again probably face another bad season because of the management's mis-steps in the transfer market.

You can't blame people for being dissappointed and frutrated with the way things are going. And yes there are people like R7 who are big optimists that stay positive no matter what, and if this was still 2006 or this was our first season that the manegement does nothing good in the transfer maket, then I would still be firmly parked on R7's and Nova's side of the street

Posted by: han2503 May 29 2008, 07:12 PM

Galliani does like to be vague about things and Imo Borriello will not be the guy that we've been hoping for to get the goals, just like Gila wasn't, and we're basing this on Boriello's past performances as a Milan player. All I'm saying is that if he proves me wrong I will be happy because him doing that is for the good of the team, and if me being wrong benfits the team then I'm all for it. But I just don't think he's that guy for us that will get us the neccissary amount of goals that we expect from one of the box strikers

As I said before the milan management of 02 might be the same management of 08 but the mantality is different. And as I said, Galliani can be stubborn if he wants to be and he might think it's negotiating but if he somehow gets a price in his head and doesn't want to go above that then he won't and we'll end up without the player in the end

We've been using the scrambling method for the past 3 years or so, the only time we've scrambled before that was for Nesta and that turned well (extremely well) but all the others have not

How can you say that Milan are not in a need for serious rebuilding, Galliani finally admitting that we'll buy 7 players shouldbe enough of an indication of how much rebuilding we need to make.

Those 5 players we were negotiating for we already know about 3 of them and so far only 1 of them I am happy about, which is Zambro. and the other one we supposedly lost to Lyon.

ps. what is a summer without venting over transfers anyway?

Posted by: Tennie May 29 2008, 07:13 PM

Han, the season's been over for two weeks and you think Milan's already failed in the transfer market this summer. I don't think it's a reasonable assumption to make, past history or not.

Posted by: han2503 May 29 2008, 07:16 PM

From the moves we've already made I think it's enough of an assumption, and maybe yes the last 3 years are clouding my judgment, but what can you do?

If the manangement by the end of the summer and up proving me wrong and we'll have a kick @ss team come the 08/09 season, then I'm all for admitting to being wrong, but personaly I just can;t see it happening.

And I'm not just the only one being pessimistic about the whole thing I know many people who feal the same way, and not just ones that post on this forum

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 29 2008, 07:21 PM

Who is Lloris ?! seriously !? I doubt he was a serious target anyways .. I mean, where would you position be if it wasn;t Lloris and it was Cech ??

Anyways ... All I am saying is Borriello is not someone Milan will depend on, Milan's dependency on Pippo is far greater from the aspect of delivering the goods. The only plus I see, is that he would add depth and he would fulfill Milan's UEFA requirements. So just leave it at that, because that is how big he is.

So far Milan have a good squad, when considering the first XI ... Missing two or three in attack, some squad players, a fullback, maybe a Gkeeper .... But it's not like mission impossible, it's just going to be a long summer and you need to start studying for your finals !

Posted by: morgoth May 29 2008, 07:26 PM

Lyon's president Aulas said in Lyon's internet site that Lloris will be a starter next season.

Posted by: han2503 May 29 2008, 07:32 PM

I don't have finals to study for we don't use that system, it's based on assignments given throughout the year. So I'm as light as a feather wating for summer holidays to start on the 23rd of June so basically I have nothing to do but argue on pointless things with you on the transfer window (something that neither of us has any effect over ).

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 29 2008, 07:39 PM

Ah well, enjoy the summer bro

Posted by: kurtsimonw May 29 2008, 07:40 PM

I wouldn't say we've failed in the transfer market, as it hasn't closed. But at the moment we're sure on our way to be failing. I think Ronaldinho is hurting us, like he has been for a while. Silvio is so obsessed with getting him in a Milan shirt that he seems to care about few other players!

Posted by: Habitant May 29 2008, 07:58 PM

pff had we signed him you would be hailing him as signing of the century

Posted by: zdrossoneri May 29 2008, 07:59 PM

So is Sheva, even more. it's a nightmare, personally, to see his name being linked with us from one transfer window to another. moreover the management have never tried to rule his return out. I love Sheva but hes like a closed thread in Milan's history... can't we just look at the future and forget about him?

Posted by: Portikins May 29 2008, 08:01 PM

The market isn't even open.
But IMO we're just not bother to do anything. In the last 3 years we did 1 thing right in the market: Pato.

We talk, talk, talk, talk, talk... 1 week it's pole-position for Ronaldinho, the next one it's a meeting in London with Drogba, the next Ronaldinho was never a target and it's Eto'o. The next one it's Borriello to stay. The next's... bla bla.

It's just b/s. And I'm are tired of that. Tired of watching a bunch of clowns travelling 342894382923482348948923 times to Barcelona and still not getting a f deal for any player. Same for going to Argentina to have a nice holidays in August giving the useless Grimi as an excuse. Tired of "A posto così" talk when we continue to get r*ped by the other top-teams - when their team is 100% (Inter for example, without injuries not playing without the likes of Zlatan, Cordoba, Samuel, Cambiasso, etc).

Tired of that. And dst yesterday was talking about Inter and that Moratti takes too long to finish a deal, bla bla bla... MAN, WE TAKE YEARS. YEARS to do something.

That's why we'll keep losing in Italy and trying our luck in Europe where anything can happen.

Posted by: Habitant May 29 2008, 08:03 PM

and where do you get this from ?

Posted by: zdrossoneri May 29 2008, 08:04 PM

Forza Porty

Posted by: Habitant May 29 2008, 08:21 PM

that about sums it up porty..

who needs logic when you can have blind faith in fact it's a crime to think milan is inferior to anyone else even tho it's the truth.

fck just because milan is shite right now doesnt mean i'm not going to be watching their games or supporting them. but being ignorant to reality and the facts, no i'm not going to that. but hey a real effort on their part to truly strengthen the squad not for 1 season but for long term is what we need.

Posted by: Tennie May 29 2008, 08:21 PM

What really bothers me about this place is that it's become a crime, near enough, to dare say anything positive about Milan, its players (sorry, except for Kaka, who some seem to think is the only decent player Milan has ever had), owners, management, staff, philosophy, etc etc etc. If you hate the place so much, the LEAVE.

This has become a 'let's all bash everything to do with Milan and show how cool we are' place.

I don't like it.

And while I'm having a massive vent, I might as well also admit that I hate this icon: . To me it screams out 'I'm an obnoxious ***'. I also hate people who use the term FACT in all caps when what they're talking about is in no way provable.

And finally, I really really dislike the fact that people seem to think it's okay to use the term 'r@pe' in one variety or another and then that it's okay to joke about it on top of that. Guys, sexual assault is not something you should ever joke about unless you're a really sick *******. I hope none of you are ever on the receiving end.

Finished with rant. Don't particularly care if I've offended any of you. Enough of what's been said in the past couple of weeks has offended me so turnabout's fair play.

Posted by: Habitant May 29 2008, 08:29 PM

Posted by: mishie May 29 2008, 08:29 PM

Amen to that Tennie!!!

Posted by: Habitant May 29 2008, 08:41 PM

wait how many people actually used the word ****? bluesummer? and he excused himself after

Posted by: han2503 May 29 2008, 08:46 PM

Hit the nail on it's head porty, excellent post!!!

One might say it's being bitter and pessimistic others might say being realistic and stating facts

Posted by: mishie May 29 2008, 08:48 PM

The season is over (thank goodness) so surly now is the time for some optimism this moaning about the bad transfer market is absurd the season is only just finished and players are either with NT or on hols so some time is needed before signings are made surely!!!

Posted by: zdrossoneri May 29 2008, 08:51 PM

What is going on?

Posted by: kurtsimonw May 29 2008, 08:52 PM

Why is it that we HAVE to be optimistic? The last time I checked, we had 3 straight bad transfer windows, 2 finishes outside the top 3, while Inter added 3 titles to their name. I'm sorry, but they are a better team than us, and how can I be optimistic about a transfer window when we've made maybe 1 or 2 decent sgnings in a total of 3 years?

Posted by: mishie May 29 2008, 08:55 PM

i'm not saying you HAVE to be optimistic i just think its a bit early to be so harsh...we have been promised a new Milan that will challenge for Lo Scudetto and i believe (you don't have to) it's a little early to be dismissing the transfer window

Posted by: kurtsimonw May 29 2008, 08:56 PM

I agree there. I'm not saying we'll have a bad window, so far I'm disappointed with the INs/OUTs but there's still a long time to change that. I won't start bashing the management or whoever yet, even I'm not that bad!

Posted by: mishie May 29 2008, 08:58 PM

you sure!!
(only joking)

Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 29 2008, 09:07 PM

Whatever happened to if you don't have anything nice to say then say nothing...

I'm totally indifferent to this to be honest. Coz Milan is almost a religious thing. I mean I post here...more often than I say my prayers. So I guess to paraphrase...my faith is my shield.

Optimism vs foolishness? Very valid point....but on the cosmic scale aren't we being foolish when we attach such high value to a game of 22 players chasing a ball .

Just a few points to the reality zone people....for my own edification....after that I'll quit....coz this war won't end until we win on the field...

1. Do our posts (the 'Dream Zone' people) offend you? And second, there are cleaner ways to say the same thing you guys do. I'm not pointing fingers...nor saying that's the norm, but none of us dream zoners have crossed that line.

The nastiest thing Tennie has said about Mourinho--> He's a loathsome toad. You know the stuff that's been thrown at Carletto, Galliani, Seedorf, Gila..whoever. Thank god for Milanfan curse filters. m1ke take a cookie! (Yep...10ster I can be an obnoxious so-and-so if I want to )

2. There's a difference between Optimism and Retardedness? Ok...I'll accept that if you accept there's a difference between criticism and disrespectful abuse. If you diss the club, then reject the credits as well. You can't brag about the #7 title badge...and then say "We're the saddest thing in the universe, coz we got owned in the league!"

3. You heard Galliani....he doesn't want to talk to the press, coz there's nothing to report. What do you want him to say? Negotiations are going on....Milan is usually very binary. Yes, the transfer's done. No it isn't gonna happen! On the other hand if you'd rather hear him say...

'Today I got up at 7 am and caught a taxi to Camp Nou. Laporta was wearing a blue double breasted suit, white shirt, with a striped tie. His secretary was wearing nothing but Chanel No.5. We talked about Zambrotta. Then Ronaldinho. I have tapes as well as transcripts of the discussions with me. Audio files of the discussion shall be available for download on the official website daily!'



And I'm done with this shite about management lies to the fans etc.

Dudes...you're at home..an argument happens in your family..say between you and your siblings...or (god forbid) between your parents, is it your duty to go and tell your circle of friends about it?

Ok this is probably a bad analogy...but when Galliani talks to the press...I fail to see how he's talking only to the fans. You want him to come over to the conference and explain, what they're doing every moment, what shady deals they pulled, what sneaky tactics they're using...sorry...you don't become a big club like that. And when Galliani says 2 million pounds is the difference...why are we talking like it's pocket change. Maybe that's why the Loris deal fell through?

We judge too quickly and too harshly on this forum. But that's just me. Coz unfortunately...everyone just falls back on the 'This is a football forum...we're here only to discuss differences, otherwise what's the point etc.'....it's a nothing-past-it argument isn't it.

@ Tennie: Sorry about the But I just feel so

Posted by: mishie May 29 2008, 09:14 PM

great post jack!!

Posted by: KillerMax May 29 2008, 09:19 PM

I'm closing this thread. Enough.

This thread was about Lloris and he is now, more or less a Lyon player.

If you can't be cool and carry on a conversation, then get up, leave your computer for a while, take a walk, get some fresh air. Doesn't matter if you are a regular member or a mod.