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Official. PSG president Nasser Al Khelaifi has been elected as new ECA president after Andrea Agnelli resigning two days ago.


Loooool

The worst of the worst. Charing the ECA
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 21 2021, 07:40 PM) *
But then you have to make the subs with more intelligence. Leaving Leao was a mistake. Not giving Hauge the nod but forcing Krunić in another. Taking off both Rebić and Hakan who at least tried to look dangerous while leaving Alexis and Leao was ludicrous.

Insisting on Krunić is another stupid fixation that brings us nowhere.

Why did Meite start? Why starting Leao who was piss poor the other game? Why not giving Romag the nod today? We need our captain back on the field IMO, Tomori is not that better yet to be preferred all the time. Donna isn't doing the same motivational job as Romag IMO. Several mistakes by Pioli today.

Agreed on all counts re the subs

I think this mostly shows that Pioli is now as well showing fear and being far more reserves in his choices. Krunic, Samu, etc are the "safe" conventional choices off the bench.

Disagree on the Tomori thing though. He's been amazing since the moment he arrived and deserves to be playing imo. Plus he gives us something that neither Romagnoli nor Kjaer offer, which is speed.

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 21 2021, 07:42 PM) *
Anything new? The same has been going of for how many seasons now? I'm tired of this team and everything around it.

But at least the previous seasons we weren't fed false hope. We were sh!t from the word go and generally stayed so throughout the season.

This season we started so well and put ourselves in such an excellent position. Now we're just p!ssing it away with barely a whimper
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 21 2021, 07:39 PM) *
Not just on the subs, but the attitude of the team is the coach's fault as well. Look at these players! It's like they're playing the Trofeo Moretti in August, man! Aaaargh... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/realmad.gif)

True, but the huge dip that happened when the first sub were made was hugely notable imo

Pioli had Hauge and Diaz on the bench, why not let them play instead of Krunic and a disinterested Leao? So mad today man. I've rarely felt this way about this team this season, unlike in the past. We've dealt with a LOT and we still can't seem to get a full healthy squad (another issue that needs serious looking into this summer, the amount of injuries is beyond ridiculous at this point). But today I can't look the other way. We should have done more.

Our counter attacks have completely gone to sh!t, when just last season they were inch perfect. We're trying to be too overly fussy in the build0up and losing the ball. We're not pressing like we should be. Certain players are not putting in the effort that's needed.
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 21 2021, 07:36 PM) *
Controlled? In what way? By putting up a veteran performance?

The whole game was appalling. Pioli said our strategy is to win all games. Well.. with that kind of attitude, we won't win anything anymore.

I thought so. We created the better chances, moved the ball better and generally pressed well imo. That's only the first half though. 2nd half was nightmarish

Honestly, after the fiasco of this past week with the super league and now the team seemingly not being able to pull themselves out of this slump, I'm tempted to just pull the curtain on this season. The only thing still keeping me going is the hope for CL football next season
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All the other top sides have easy games tonight if I'm not mistaken. I think we'll hold on to 2nd for 2 more weeks and then we'll relinquish that as well

Let's all pray big time for CL. Because if that doesn't come, the future of this club is a huge question mark with the financial situation as is
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 21 2021, 07:31 PM) *
This one is on Pioli.

Schocking attitude nevertheless. This team has a built in looser mentality. Every time things become serious, we crumble.

On Pioli to a certain extent. I absolutely hated the subs. But some players are simply not good enough and as soon as you remove the starter and put in the replacement the drop in quality is not simply a dip but a huge plunge
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 21 2021, 07:31 PM) *
Not a single moment did we control this match. It was 50/50 all the time, and Sassuolo played a much more organised and thought-out game. We're simply crumbling right now, we've been crumbling for some time.

If by some miracle we make into the CL, we need to re-evaulate a lot of things. I can assure you that if we start next season with this coach, this bunch of players and this mentality we'll finish 10th. Mark my words.

I thought we controlled the first half. Came out completely flat footed in the 2nd.

But those last 30 minutes or so were appalling.


Leao btw... where do I start with this kid FFS? His laziness and general body language just p!sses me off to the nth degree!
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Do Atalanta reach us in the table should they win tonight? FFS so p!ssed off right now.

This team needs to wake up! Pioli needs to get his head out of his @ss with some of these selections. WTF is his fetish with Krunic?? He's terrible FFS and always puts us at a disadvantage
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So pi!ssed off right now!!

2 replica goals FFS! Dalot backing off of Berardi both times

Why can't we just kill off these games when we're controlling them? Each time we invite the opposing team back in

And what the f@ck was that with those subs Pioli???????

Leaving Leao on the pitch?? Taking off Rebic and Hakan? Brining on f@cking Krunic once again???

And why not Tonali? Meite is a ghost out there.

This could cost us 4th FFS!
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Apr 21 2021, 10:25 AM) *
What is this, some kind of xenophobia? You might want to look a little closer to home. The most expensive transfers ever, and the transfer progression. Where are Chelsea and Man City? Where are the long lists of English clubs?

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No it's a phobia the the EPL basically controlling football. Now there are rumours the UEFA made a deal with the EPL clubs involved, which makes this even worse for me as a supporter of an Italian team handcuffed by the limitations of the league it plays in.

That list doesn't say much at all. Give me the expenditure of all the EPL clubs + PSG per year over the last 8 - 10 years. Probably no where near what other teams spend. My gripe has never been woth the English teams only btw, and I'm sorry for coming off that way, but mid-table EPL clubs are more advantaged than their Serie A and La liga counter parts who consistently make CL. Because that is the financial imbalance that exists because of the money in the EPL then on top of that add the Russian/Arab owners who inject cash into their clubs by usurping FFP rules and it creates the kind of issues we see today where clubs who do not have these advantages simply cannot compete anymore. Especially with FFP putting them in a chokehold.

Aside from the English clubs Barca and Real are also accountable no doubt. Especially given the fact that they monopolise the TV money in Spain.

And don't get me started on PSG who tried to act holier than thou during this entire saga when they are the biggest culprit for where football is today
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Milan ultras claim Super League criticism 'hypocritical'

Milan ultras group Curva Sud released a statement that did not specifically condemn the Super League plan, but rather claimed the outrage is ?hypocritical.?

While fans at Chelsea, Manchester City, Liverpool and others are all protesting angrily in the hours since the project was announced, Italian supporters have been relatively quiet.

Juventus fans hung up one banner outside the stadium complaining their history was being ?bartered and commercialised,? pointedly including an image of the old logo.

Milan supporters group Curva Sud released a different kind of statement that hit out at the world of football in general.

?Honestly, it makes us laugh to see all those people in the control room of football suddenly claim we fans are first and foremost.

?The Super League is just the latest in a long line of innumerable manoeuvres over decades that has made football into a business.

?The birth of this new competition would certainly be another shove to the football of old, which is by now a distant memory, and will inevitably obscure the tradition of the various national leagues, robbing football of the undeniable principle of sporting meritocracy.

?But the thing that most leaves us indignant is the hypocrisy of all those who contributed to making this sport nothing but a business, those who today stand up in name of the fans, but only because they saw their remunerative and seemingly untouchable project fall apart.

?Football did belong to the people until the 1990s, when the Champions League was born, destroying the old European Cup. From that moment, an unbreachable chasm has been created between the big and small clubs.

?Football did belong to the people even when nobody lifted a finger to stop the increase of ticket prices that was imposed by some Presidents.

?Football did belong to the people even when nobody stepped in to stop the rise of the super agents, who took player salaries to ever more astronomical figures, which could only be sustained with TV rights, the same TV companies that imposed increasingly chaotic fixture lists, with games on improbable days and kick-off times.

?Football did belong to the people even when rules were imposed to stop any rapport between the players and the fans.

?Football did belong to the people even when Supercoppa Finals were played on other continents or the dates of some games were changed a few days before kick-off, damaging those fans who had booked trains or planes to get to the stadium.

?Football did belong to the people even when some clubs were allowed to circumvent Financial Fair Play, while others with less influential Presidents were penalised.

?Football did belong to the people even when the World Cup was forced to Qatar in 2022, despite moving the entire calendar and disregarding human rights violations.

?We could list numerous other examples to show the absolute hypocrisy of the words we?re hearing from the football chiefs over the last 48 hours.

?The Super League is just the latest disgusting step, but those who took football to this point are no less grotesque, so save us these ludicrous performances of rhetoric and morality.

?Now that the money is running out, feel free to fight it out between yourselves, but don?t you dare name the fans. PIGS!?


Don't usually agree with the Curva guys but on thia I 100% agree with them
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 20 2021, 10:06 PM) *
LMAO, didn't you just ban them like a year ago? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

And let them back in in a jiffy.

This is why I wanted the clubs to hold their ground. I never said I liked the concept of the 12 teams playing each other constantly in a semi closed competition. And I always mentioned that it probably had more to do with fighting UEFA. But now this has backfired big time. UEFA now hold even more power imo.

The clubs should have at least held out for some form of reform

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Apr 21 2021, 12:02 AM) *
There's nothing wrong with breakaway leagues, you're missing the entire point.

The Premier League was created and broke away for financial reasons. The league structure and the competitive elements of the sport remained. No team, as far as I know, has ever been denied entry to the Premier League open earning promotion. The same as the European Cup becoming the Champions League. For all intents and purposes it was a rebranding.

The Premier League can not be held responsible for other clubs mismanaging their finances. Let's not forget, it was Italian clubs in the 80s/90s and Spanish clubs more recently that drove up prices to insane levels. Making English clubs out to be the bad guys is just ridiculous.

To suggest the ESL, which would keep the exact same teams in all the time, is the same as the Premier League is madness.

Nobody is saying that UEFA or FIFA are saints. We're saying we'd rather have a competition governed by them than 12 clubs running their own league. Who cares if they say they'll invite others? As if a Madrid owned league, with a Madrid employed ref is going to allow someone they deem "lesser" to beat Madrid. The corruption would make current football look saintly.

The EPL, namely Chelsea are the ones who first started the insane inflation of the transfer market. Mam City and PSG have just took thing to an unreachable level for everyone else now. Italian and Spanish clubs might have spent lavishly in the past, but nothing like these new state owned/oil backed clubs of today. Not even when you take inflation into account. It's nothing you can even compare

And you can't sya the clubs in Italy and Spain are mismanaged. The EPL clubs have a safety net that the ones in La Liga and Seria A simply do not. And you're right, it's for the simple reason that the EPL as a brand ia far more marketable. The language barrier being one of the main reasons for this. Which is something out of the control of the clubs.

And again, I never said I liked the general concept, I was al for it because it ment the clubs finally doing something about the corrupt and unjust system monopolized by UEFA

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 21 2021, 12:52 AM) *
OFFICIAL: Super League suspended.

Well thank f*ck for that. Now back to earning our place in Europe.

What a joke! This is far from a good thing imo
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Only Man City are out atm
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Apr 20 2021, 08:07 PM) *
Apparently Woodward and Agnelli have resigned.

Danny and han's favourite people no longer in football.

Never liked either. But honestly, they should all be ashamed for half @ssing this so badly
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This is the worst outcome that could have happened imo

I had an inkling that this could just be a major chess game between the clubs and UEFA so that the clubs could finally get a more fair deal out of UEFA. But to do THIS?! Just an embarrassing turn of events imo. At least show some balls and take this down to the wire FFS. UEFA would have caved eventually. Didn't know that it would turn out to be a friendly game of checkers instead (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

And it figures that it is the EPL clubs who backed out first, most especially the ones who are bankrolled by oil money. They don't need the money like the other clubs do, they already exist within a hyper greedy entity such as the EPL, which is a breakaway league in and of itself btw

I just love the audacity and drama from people like Neville who work for Sky Sports. The sheer lack of self awareness is just laughable
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 19 2021, 10:27 PM) *
I've seen that video many times. I love John Oliver.

Love him. I can't count the amount of John Oliver rabbit holes I've gone down over the years. And moat of the stuff he does is about American capitilasm at it's worst and doesn't really effect me in any way. But he's so good that I can't help but watch vid after vid

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Apr 19 2021, 11:01 PM) *
It wont grow, though? That's the entire point, for a handful of clubs to get their guaranteed income every year. They don't want to share money with others they deem "lesser", so it won't grow.

20 clubs will be better for it. 20 out of thousands. That's not good for sport.

But right now all of this is conjecture. The big heads will do what they think is best in terms of consumerism, and if that means expansion, then that is what will happen.

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Apr 19 2021, 11:04 PM) *
It will be good for football if these franchises and their customers no longer compete in football leagues, yes.

Piss off and leave us football clubs and fans to the football.

Disagree there. Where would these domestic leagues stand without these bigger clubs? The entire concept of the EPL is basically null and void without them in it

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Apr 20 2021, 01:08 AM) *
And we had a great story like Leicester winning the Premier League. An underdog who overcame the elite. Now? You won't. It's only the elite.

What is laughable is complaining about elitism and then as soon as they fail to win something, they literally remove the competition, and hailing that as a good thing.

But why would this stop another Leicester from happening? The domestic league will still be there and so will European football under the UEFA umbrella

And this is hardly about elitism. This is all about the money. Perez just basically said they asked Arsenal and Spurs to join because they needed the extra bodies (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 19 2021, 10:05 PM) *
Also, it's not like Citeh and Abramovich are monks. Come on... UEFA corruptness or Abramovich corruptness.. honestly, I don't see much of a difference.

I think this is especially bad for Milan. We'll get a lot of hate now.

Bug clubs always get hate. From Milan's perspective, this is an if you can't beat them, join them situation
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And btw, I may be wrong in all of this but atm, I just ron't see it as the end of football, catastrophic event that you do.

We'll see how this unfolds but personally I just think that atm it's mainly a mine is bigger than yours showdown with UEFA. We'll see who caves first. I just personally think the clubs have more leverage here
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 19 2021, 08:51 PM) *
Han, no offence but you are being very myopic about this whole argument. You are simply viewing this as a UEFA/FIFA-Super League war. You're focusing only on the business side, who's more corrupt. You're not looking at the bigger picture, i.e. the game of football.

You think greed is only one sided? These clubs are just as greedy and scrupulous as the governing bodies they're trying to fight against. But they're not fighting for what is right and wrong, they're simply fighting for the big bucks. They want to make more money, turn football into a bigger business and get richer and richer. And in doing so, they're killing the founding concept of competition that drives this sport.

Clubs have to fight and earn their right to participate into a major international league. If you're reserving this right by default only to a handful, what's the point anymore? What will Roma, Lazio, Atalanta, Napoli etc. fight for? Participate into a Champions League without any "champions" in it? Such a competition is not even conceivable because nobody will watch it and nobody will care to play in it anymore. It disrupts a system that might be governed by a corrupt entity, but that is founded on meritocracy.

But you're viewing this through a lens of nostalgia for something that has long been lost.

Sorry, but football IS a business. Milan has been left behind because we simply cannot compete with EPL and oil money. And FFP continues to tie our hands in this matter. And when FFP is not enforced fairly and the same on all the clubs, then you end up with this. UEFA have overstepped imo, they have gotten too greedy and not kept the clubs with the biggest fanbases, ergo the biggest commercial pull happy. You said it yourself. No one would want to watch the CL without these teams in it.

I'm not worried about this because the people behind it know what they're doing. All the clubs involved have ruthless owners. Most of which are Americans. The Glazers, Kroenke, and Elliot don't do anything half @ssed. Elliot held Argentina hostage FFS, you think they care about the soul of the game?

Gary Neville said something critical today, the Glazers don't put their name on anything, not unless they're going through with it. Plus Florentino Perez is the one who is pushing this through. These are not people who waffle when it comes down to crunch time imo. Plus the JP Morgan Chase factor is huge.

So whatever happens moving forward, I think tis is going to be a good thing, whether it happens or not. This will either give UEFA the massive kick in the teeth they need and they negotiate something better with the clubs or this things happens and the CL and EL will be abolished within a few years and this thing becoming the norm.

And btw. Where is the meritocracy in what PSG, City and Chelsea have done in the past few years? Or what about Bayern, Juve, Madrid Barca, etc? They have all basically been in this automatic inclusion format for years now because they purposely weaken their own leagues. Either by monopolising the TV money or buying out all the talent because they can.

QUOTE (William405 @ Apr 19 2021, 08:55 PM) *
I agree. I don't understand your view Han. But, honestly even if what you are painting out the UEFA/FIFA to be...this Superleauge idea is no better.

BTW, why the hate on UEFA and Fifa? Surely, any organizing committee will have a lot of hate...nothing special. And, I'm not saying they're perfect but they've done some good things as well.

Watch the vid I posted in the previous page.

There are literally labour camps set up in Qatar. People have died building stadiums there. All so they could organise a tournament in a country where it's practically impossible to play the competition during the summer. All so that the executives get huge pay-outs from the Qatari government.

People dying for FIFA Execs' greed vs. clubs wanting to get what they are owed...
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Apr 19 2021, 08:26 PM) *
If you think it's easier for Leicester to compete with a bunch of billionaire state owned teams, that Atalanta competing with a few semi-rich clubs, you're living on a different planet.

Leicester are the reason this league exists. Because the money clubs don't like the idea that teams who buy and play smart can beat them when they're throwing money at everything.

The ONLY people that support these league are armchair customers. If you support this, you are not a football fan. You are a customer.

x-off made the point of comparing the 2 teams in terms of CL. I think Atalanta are on a completely other level to Leicester on this end while being far more disadvantaged. They failed to make the final last season by a minute. They don't even earn a measly fraction of what Leicester do just from the EPL alone.

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Apr 19 2021, 08:27 PM) *
Football has to be a monopoly or it doesn't work. There is no prestige. You think football would be better if there were 2 or 3 World Cups every year held by different organisations?

True.

If this goes through, which is looking more a more likely. What's to say that the super league won't evolve into that monopoly? And simply be a replacement for UEFA. You think UEFA are losing their sh!t over nothing? This is huge trouble for them and their survival and they know it. I personally say good riddance.

Prestige and glory are buil over time. The European cup was devised decades ago and turned into what it has become today. There's nothing set in stone saying the super league won't evolve over time either.

There are already reports of teams like Roma, Bayern and PSG being the other 3 clubs. There will be 5 invited clubs for now. This could grow over time. Making the CL obsolete and clubs will be the better for it imo
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A great vid on FIFA as an organisation for anyone who hasn't seen it. UEFA are basically the same thing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlJEt2KU33I
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 19 2021, 07:40 PM) *
+1

Can't believe you guys are so coldly supporting this. It kills all the joy and fun, and most probably will become dull in a matter of years.

And I personally think that fans going in favour of UEFA just doesn't make any sense either.

UEFA and FIFA are probably 2 of the most corrupt "legit" organisations in the world. They've held the monopoly over football for too long imo
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 19 2021, 03:23 PM) *
I can't believe you're all supporting this.

This kills the spirit of competition. It creates a feudalistic notion based on power and not on meritocracy. Who are these elitist clubs to ground the rules as they please? Last time I checked football was for everyone.

And blaming this on UEFA and FIFA is foolish. Yes, we all think FFP is unfair, but nevertheless I know that any club who puts their heart and soul into the game can achieve success. Clubs like Leicester and Atalanta earned their right to win the league or qualify and fight for the Champions League. Clubs like Milan and Arsenal have no right to sit on top with the best clubs when they've been absolute sh*t.

What is the point in fighting for the top spots in your respective leagues when you know very well that your access to the Super League is secured nevertheless? Right now, if the Super League was a thing, with Inter having virtually won the scudetto, what point would there be for the remaining games till the end of the season?

What about the other clubs? What incentives would they have? Napoli, Roma, Atalanta, Lazio, Leicester, Valencia, Sevilla, the German, French, Portuguese clubs and so on.

If this happens it would be the death of football.

I disagree to a point here because the CL and this SPL can still co-exist along with the domestic leagues

The purpose of this new league is to replace the monopoly UEFA have on european football.

I'm sorry, but I think UEFA have only themselves to blame for this. This has been in the works for years now and UEFA always called the clubs' bluff on this. The pandemic just made sure that the big clubs won't mess about on this anymore. The fact that UEFA keep a huge chunk of the CL money to themselves while having the audacity to only give clubs, namely the ones who are breaking away just a small fraction of that money when they are the cash cows in all of this is what is the issue here.

UEFA trying to act like they're the moral authority of football is what is so ridiculous and laughable here. I say good for all involved. The rest of the clubs will still be able to play the CL btw. Just without the 20 teams involved. So the football pyramid will still be there should this go through

And btw, a club like Leicester cannot even be compared to a club like Atalanta. An EPL team is highly advantaged simply for playing in that league. So as you can see a form of super league already exists in Europe with the EPL already creating a huge imbalance in the system.

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Apr 19 2021, 04:30 PM) *
Yeah, all 12 clubs.

The idea that a league will be governed by directors of these clubs, and rules are in place so that they can never lose their place. It's utterly disgusting.

I'm not thinking of this as the death of football. It's the rebirth. We created the first football league. A league that existed and flourished without these 6 companies.

Many clubs have succeeded. Earned their way to success. Fallen off. That's competition, that's football.

Football in England without these 6 clubs will be exactly that. Football. 20 Premier League football clubs with supporters. Losing 6 companies and their customers are no loss. It's a massive net gain.

There's also a huge, huge correlation between those that support the ESL and those that don't attend football matches. Customers, not fans.

I'm sorry kurt but I have to disagree with you there, especially re the EPL as a whole. The EPL in and of itself is a breakaway league, simply formed for the money. Simple as that really. The obscene TV deal which puts EPL clubs in a huge advantage over their European counterparts only exists because of the top 6 clubs which are going to form this super league. Now tell me what happens to the EPL as a whole and that TV money should the FA and the EPL ban those 6 from the league?

This goes for La Liga, Serie A, and the Bundesliga (reports saying Bayern are also a part of this now) as well.

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Apr 19 2021, 04:56 PM) *
This isn't about corruption, its about money. If it were an anti-corruption campaign, you really think Barca, Madrid and Man City would be invited?

Agreed. And it's why UEFA are throwing a hissy fit as well. You think they care about football? The grass root of the game? The fans? No. They want the money and the authority over football. I'm sorry but their time is up and they deserve all that is coming to them imo
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Some updates

Agnelli has resigned from president of the ECA
The Lega is having a meeting today with all clubs barring us, Inter and Juve
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 19 2021, 10:55 AM) *
State funded clubs? What do you mean by that?

Isn't that what PSG and City are essentially?

Honestly, I don know why fans of participating clubs are acting like this is a bad thing

It''s an amazing thing for all involved. Especially clubs outside of the EPL who do not have astronomical TV deals from their national league but are expected to comply with corrupt FFP rules

Once again. F@ck FIFA and UEFA
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