Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )


881 Pages V   1 2 3 > » 

kurtsimonw
Posted on: Apr 21 2021, 01:30 PM


Prima Squadra
************

Group: Helpers
Posts: 30,192
Joined: 11-March 07
From: Birmingham, England
Member No.: 3,660


in 1987/88 Milan spent ?6m on 1 player, the entirety of English football spent ?22m on over 150 players. Let's not pretend this is a new thing. The birth of the Champions League and the 90s saw Italian clubs blow up transfer fees to insane levels. The late 90s/early 200s saw Madrid do it again, and Italian clubs spent themselves in to oblivion. Yes, absolutely English clubs have spent more recently. But to blame them for a system that has been broken for decades, absolving the others of blame is pure xenophobia.

It's also basic economics. Everyone know PL clubs have money due to massive TV rights. Of course English clubs will spend more, they're essentially taxed on their TV earnings.

2017/18 - Premier League clubs made ?2.419billion from TV rights alone. The transfer spend of all clubs was ?2.182billion. 90.2% of their TV revenue.

2017/18 - Serie A clubs made ?924m from Tv rights. The transfer spend was ?1.051billion. Over 100% of their TV revenue.

The idea that English clubs spend a lot, it's totally fine. It's fair. But the idea that they are outspending their limits more than any other league? Absolutely laughable.
  Forum: Matches · Post Preview: #424818 · Replies: 2342 · Views: 53,397

kurtsimonw
Posted on: Apr 21 2021, 10:25 AM


Prima Squadra
************

Group: Helpers
Posts: 30,192
Joined: 11-March 07
From: Birmingham, England
Member No.: 3,660


QUOTE (han2503 @ Apr 21 2021, 06:35 AM) *
The EPL, namely Chelsea are the ones who first started the insane inflation of the transfer market. Mam City and PSG have just took thing to an unreachable level for everyone else now. Italian and Spanish clubs might have spent lavishly in the past, but nothing like these new state owned/oil backed clubs of today. Not even when you take inflation into account. It's nothing you can even compare

What is this, some kind of xenophobia? You might want to look a little closer to home. The most expensive transfers ever, and the transfer progression. Where are Chelsea and Man City? Where are the long lists of English clubs?

(IMG:https://i.ibb.co/qY6TCFV/transfers.jpg)
  Forum: Matches · Post Preview: #424813 · Replies: 2342 · Views: 53,397

kurtsimonw
Posted on: Apr 21 2021, 12:37 AM


Prima Squadra
************

Group: Helpers
Posts: 30,192
Joined: 11-March 07
From: Birmingham, England
Member No.: 3,660


RIP Spanish and Italian football.

A Super League without English teams does not work. The Premier League brings in so much money, not because of any kind of quality - simply because it's English speaking and people find it easier to connect.

You can add more teams, but who? Roma, Lazio, Seville, Valencia? The ESL are a comedy act if they think they can generate huge revenues and TV deals with clubs like that.
  Forum: Matches · Post Preview: #424809 · Replies: 2342 · Views: 53,397

kurtsimonw
Posted on: Apr 21 2021, 12:03 AM


Prima Squadra
************

Group: Helpers
Posts: 30,192
Joined: 11-March 07
From: Birmingham, England
Member No.: 3,660


Football does need changes, 100%. Hopefully the fans, players, pundits and everyone involved can make that happen now that we realise we have a voice that can make things happen.
  Forum: Matches · Post Preview: #424807 · Replies: 2342 · Views: 53,397

kurtsimonw
Posted on: Apr 21 2021, 12:02 AM


Prima Squadra
************

Group: Helpers
Posts: 30,192
Joined: 11-March 07
From: Birmingham, England
Member No.: 3,660


QUOTE (han2503 @ Apr 20 2021, 09:36 PM) *
And it figures that it is the EPL clubs who backed out first, most especially the ones who are bankrolled by oil money. They don't need the money like the other clubs do, they already exist within a hyper greedy entity such as the EPL, which is a breakaway league in and of itself btw

There's nothing wrong with breakaway leagues, you're missing the entire point.

The Premier League was created and broke away for financial reasons. The league structure and the competitive elements of the sport remained. No team, as far as I know, has ever been denied entry to the Premier League open earning promotion. The same as the European Cup becoming the Champions League. For all intents and purposes it was a rebranding.

The Premier League can not be held responsible for other clubs mismanaging their finances. Let's not forget, it was Italian clubs in the 80s/90s and Spanish clubs more recently that drove up prices to insane levels. Making English clubs out to be the bad guys is just ridiculous.

To suggest the ESL, which would keep the exact same teams in all the time, is the same as the Premier League is madness.

Nobody is saying that UEFA or FIFA are saints. We're saying we'd rather have a competition governed by them than 12 clubs running their own league. Who cares if they say they'll invite others? As if a Madrid owned league, with a Madrid employed ref is going to allow someone they deem "lesser" to beat Madrid. The corruption would make current football look saintly.
  Forum: Matches · Post Preview: #424806 · Replies: 2342 · Views: 53,397

kurtsimonw
Posted on: Apr 20 2021, 08:07 PM


Prima Squadra
************

Group: Helpers
Posts: 30,192
Joined: 11-March 07
From: Birmingham, England
Member No.: 3,660


Apparently Woodward and Agnelli have resigned.

Danny and han's favourite people no longer in football.
  Forum: Matches · Post Preview: #424792 · Replies: 2342 · Views: 53,397

kurtsimonw
Posted on: Apr 20 2021, 07:39 PM


Prima Squadra
************

Group: Helpers
Posts: 30,192
Joined: 11-March 07
From: Birmingham, England
Member No.: 3,660


Chelsea, Man City, Barcelona, Man U and Atleti all out.

All of these clubs should still be relegated and get a huge European ban as punishment, Milan included. But at least the devil is dead.
  Forum: Matches · Post Preview: #424791 · Replies: 2342 · Views: 53,397

kurtsimonw
Posted on: Apr 20 2021, 06:54 PM


Prima Squadra
************

Group: Helpers
Posts: 30,192
Joined: 11-March 07
From: Birmingham, England
Member No.: 3,660


Chelsea preparing to withdraw.

Wonderful.

Never let the owners and fans who supported this forget which side they were on. Enemies of football.
  Forum: Matches · Post Preview: #424790 · Replies: 2342 · Views: 53,397

kurtsimonw
Posted on: Apr 20 2021, 06:16 PM


Prima Squadra
************

Group: Helpers
Posts: 30,192
Joined: 11-March 07
From: Birmingham, England
Member No.: 3,660


Apparently 1 or 2 of the English clubs are reconsidering their position in the ESL after the backlash.

Perez said that everything has been signed so they can't back out. You mean, like how everything has been signed with the leagues, and your backing out?
  Forum: Matches · Post Preview: #424789 · Replies: 2342 · Views: 53,397

kurtsimonw
Posted on: Apr 20 2021, 01:37 PM


Prima Squadra
************

Group: Helpers
Posts: 30,192
Joined: 11-March 07
From: Birmingham, England
Member No.: 3,660


It's laughable that these 12 think anyone but themselves are to blame for how football is. They drives transfer fees and wages up too massive levels, nobody else is responsible for this.

Bielsa said it right "The logic in the world at the moment, and football is not outside of this, is that the rich get rich at the expense of the poor... And then they demand more privileges."

And what do they think is going to happen in the ESL, exactly? That everyone is not going to try and outspend each other, driving transfer fees and salaries up higher?

Anyone that mentions UEFA or FIFA is missing the point. Just being against someone, regardless of what the opposition propose to do, is stupidity. If this is so good for football and fans, why are fan owned clubs like Bayern and Dortmund not jumping at the chance?

As for the product in itself, I don't know if anyone has watched top level football in the past 5 years, but it's intensely boring. Every time Man U play Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea, etc it's 0-0. It's overly defensive football.
  Forum: Matches · Post Preview: #424787 · Replies: 2342 · Views: 53,397

kurtsimonw
Posted on: Apr 20 2021, 01:08 AM


Prima Squadra
************

Group: Helpers
Posts: 30,192
Joined: 11-March 07
From: Birmingham, England
Member No.: 3,660


And we had a great story like Leicester winning the Premier League. An underdog who overcame the elite. Now? You won't. It's only the elite.

What is laughable is complaining about elitism and then as soon as they fail to win something, they literally remove the competition, and hailing that as a good thing.
  Forum: Matches · Post Preview: #424781 · Replies: 2342 · Views: 53,397

kurtsimonw
Posted on: Apr 19 2021, 11:04 PM


Prima Squadra
************

Group: Helpers
Posts: 30,192
Joined: 11-March 07
From: Birmingham, England
Member No.: 3,660


QUOTE (han2503 @ Apr 19 2021, 11:07 PM) *
And btw, I may be wrong in all of this but atm, I just ron't see it as the end of football, catastrophic event that you do.

We'll see how this unfolds but personally I just think that atm it's mainly a mine is bigger than yours showdown with UEFA. We'll see who caves first. I just personally think the clubs have more leverage here

It will be good for football if these franchises and their customers no longer compete in football leagues, yes.

Piss off and leave us football clubs and fans to the football.
  Forum: Matches · Post Preview: #424779 · Replies: 2342 · Views: 53,397

kurtsimonw
Posted on: Apr 19 2021, 11:01 PM


Prima Squadra
************

Group: Helpers
Posts: 30,192
Joined: 11-March 07
From: Birmingham, England
Member No.: 3,660


QUOTE (han2503 @ Apr 19 2021, 09:50 PM) *
If this goes through, which is looking more a more likely. What's to say that the super league won't evolve into that monopoly? And simply be a replacement for UEFA. You think UEFA are losing their sh!t over nothing? This is huge trouble for them and their survival and they know it. I personally say good riddance.

Prestige and glory are buil over time. The European cup was devised decades ago and turned into what it has become today. There's nothing set in stone saying the super league won't evolve over time either.

There are already reports of teams like Roma, Bayern and PSG being the other 3 clubs. There will be 5 invited clubs for now. This could grow over time. Making the CL obsolete and clubs will be the better for it imo

It wont grow, though? That's the entire point, for a handful of clubs to get their guaranteed income every year. They don't want to share money with others they deem "lesser", so it won't grow.

20 clubs will be better for it. 20 out of thousands. That's not good for sport.
  Forum: Matches · Post Preview: #424778 · Replies: 2342 · Views: 53,397

kurtsimonw
Posted on: Apr 19 2021, 08:27 PM


Prima Squadra
************

Group: Helpers
Posts: 30,192
Joined: 11-March 07
From: Birmingham, England
Member No.: 3,660


QUOTE (han2503 @ Apr 19 2021, 09:05 PM) *
And I personally think that fans going in favour of UEFA just doesn't make any sense either.

UEFA and FIFA are probably 2 of the most corrupt "legit" organisations in the world. They've held the monopoly over football for too long imo

Football has to be a monopoly or it doesn't work. There is no prestige. You think football would be better if there were 2 or 3 World Cups every year held by different organisations?
  Forum: Matches · Post Preview: #424768 · Replies: 2342 · Views: 53,397

kurtsimonw
Posted on: Apr 19 2021, 08:26 PM


Prima Squadra
************

Group: Helpers
Posts: 30,192
Joined: 11-March 07
From: Birmingham, England
Member No.: 3,660


QUOTE (han2503 @ Apr 19 2021, 09:04 PM) *
And btw, a club like Leicester cannot even be compared to a club like Atalanta. An EPL team is highly advantaged simply for playing in that league. So as you can see a form of super league already exists in Europe with the EPL already creating a huge imbalance in the system.

If you think it's easier for Leicester to compete with a bunch of billionaire state owned teams, that Atalanta competing with a few semi-rich clubs, you're living on a different planet.

Leicester are the reason this league exists. Because the money clubs don't like the idea that teams who buy and play smart can beat them when they're throwing money at everything.

The ONLY people that support these league are armchair customers. If you support this, you are not a football fan. You are a customer.
  Forum: Matches · Post Preview: #424767 · Replies: 2342 · Views: 53,397

kurtsimonw
Posted on: Apr 19 2021, 08:22 PM


Prima Squadra
************

Group: Helpers
Posts: 30,192
Joined: 11-March 07
From: Birmingham, England
Member No.: 3,660


Nobody are saying UEFA are perfect, far from it.

But a league created, population and governed by a few clubs being the better option? LOL
  Forum: Matches · Post Preview: #424766 · Replies: 2342 · Views: 53,397

kurtsimonw
Posted on: Apr 19 2021, 07:23 PM


Prima Squadra
************

Group: Helpers
Posts: 30,192
Joined: 11-March 07
From: Birmingham, England
Member No.: 3,660


Nah, han is right. And why stop at club football?

The World Cup should just be England, Brazil, Germany, Italy, Spain, France, Argentina + 1 invitee each year. Of course the FAs of those countries would run the competition and employ the referees.

No point in other countries entering, they don't put enough money in to football.
  Forum: Matches · Post Preview: #424759 · Replies: 2342 · Views: 53,397

kurtsimonw
Posted on: Apr 19 2021, 04:56 PM


Prima Squadra
************

Group: Helpers
Posts: 30,192
Joined: 11-March 07
From: Birmingham, England
Member No.: 3,660


This isn't about corruption, its about money. If it were an anti-corruption campaign, you really think Barca, Madrid and Man City would be invited?
  Forum: Matches · Post Preview: #424757 · Replies: 2342 · Views: 53,397

kurtsimonw
Posted on: Apr 19 2021, 04:42 PM


Prima Squadra
************

Group: Helpers
Posts: 30,192
Joined: 11-March 07
From: Birmingham, England
Member No.: 3,660


QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 19 2021, 04:23 PM) *
What about the other clubs? What incentives would they have? Napoli, Roma, Atalanta, Lazio, Leicester, Valencia, Sevilla, the German, French, Portuguese clubs and so on.

If this happens it would be the death of football.

This is the irony of all this.

People complaining about UEFA, FIFA, PL, etc... they act like they're "against the system" and sit here backing the richest clubs, who haven't even earned their place in this league. All of this, while it literally kills 95% of leagues across Europe.

Teams in the Netherlands, Portugal, Russia... leagues with historic clubs from big nations who have won International tournaments, European trophies. These leagues aren't going to be able to ever attract better players. They could through qualifying for the CL, having great European seasons. Now? Their domestic TV rights will plummet, the CL will be lesser than it was and the TV rights there were plummet. Hundreds of clubs will probably cease to exist.

The money in football will now all be funnelled through a few teams. Well done for supporting a monopoly. I hope none of you guys have android phones or buy stuff from anywhere except Amazon. Support the monopoly, help the rich get richer!
  Forum: Matches · Post Preview: #424754 · Replies: 2342 · Views: 53,397

kurtsimonw
Posted on: Apr 19 2021, 04:34 PM


Prima Squadra
************

Group: Helpers
Posts: 30,192
Joined: 11-March 07
From: Birmingham, England
Member No.: 3,660


QUOTE (Danny @ Apr 19 2021, 12:22 PM) *
Just so I'm clear guys - you lot have been whining about FFP, about UCL, about elitist clubs for the past 10 years, the greed of EPL, UEFA, FIFA - and now something comes along to shake it all up and potentially change the landscape forever, and you... OPPOSE that?

I might be the only fan on earth who actually likes the fact something has come along which opposes the monopoly of UEFA and FIFA and the PL.

Why SHOULDN'T clubs use their brand to grow even more? Milan are garbage, but we have a decent brand - and now we have a new avenue to grow properly.

And the knock on effect sees smaller clubs given more of the spotlight in big leagues because the heavy hitters have left.

Must be the only fan who isn't worried about this at all.

I agree with this, based on the point that these clubs LEAVE their domestic leagues.

Let the worldwide customers have their franchises. Let us fans have our football clubs.

  Forum: Matches · Post Preview: #424753 · Replies: 2342 · Views: 53,397

kurtsimonw
Posted on: Apr 19 2021, 04:30 PM


Prima Squadra
************

Group: Helpers
Posts: 30,192
Joined: 11-March 07
From: Birmingham, England
Member No.: 3,660


QUOTE (han2503 @ Apr 19 2021, 02:06 PM) *
It''s an amazing thing for all involved.

Yeah, all 12 clubs.

The idea that a league will be governed by directors of these clubs, and rules are in place so that they can never lose their place. It's utterly disgusting.

I'm not thinking of this as the death of football. It's the rebirth. We created the first football league. A league that existed and flourished without these 6 companies.

Many clubs have succeeded. Earned their way to success. Fallen off. That's competition, that's football.

Football in England without these 6 clubs will be exactly that. Football. 20 Premier League football clubs with supporters. Losing 6 companies and their customers are no loss. It's a massive net gain.

There's also a huge, huge correlation between those that support the ESL and those that don't attend football matches. Customers, not fans.
  Forum: Matches · Post Preview: #424752 · Replies: 2342 · Views: 53,397

kurtsimonw
Posted on: May 21 2017, 12:10 PM


Prima Squadra
************

Group: Helpers
Posts: 30,192
Joined: 11-March 07
From: Birmingham, England
Member No.: 3,660


I hoped this place would have changed, still some weird obsession with Allegri.
  Forum: Football Discussion · Post Preview: #414904 · Replies: 253 · Views: 62,559

kurtsimonw
Posted on: Dec 25 2016, 09:01 AM


Prima Squadra
************

Group: Helpers
Posts: 30,192
Joined: 11-March 07
From: Birmingham, England
Member No.: 3,660


QUOTE (han2503 @ Dec 23 2016, 09:32 PM) *
Oh and if any of you guys think Juve weren't giving their all and didn't want to win this badly, think again

I don't see this as the write off you guys are making it out to be, it's another official title for us

The idea that a bunch of top class professionals didn't try in a Cup final is pretty laughable. Juve's players are born winners, they've won so much and they hate losing. Even more so to one of the historical rivals like Milan.

If you seriously thought Juve didn't care about winning - look at their reaction to the handball incident at the end. Players who don't care don't react in such a way.
  Forum: Matches · Post Preview: #413507 · Replies: 74 · Views: 13,309

kurtsimonw
Posted on: Dec 25 2016, 08:59 AM


Prima Squadra
************

Group: Helpers
Posts: 30,192
Joined: 11-March 07
From: Birmingham, England
Member No.: 3,660


Yeah, not the most important trophy, but winning breeds confidence which breeds more winning.

I thought we deserved the win overall. Suso was exceptional, while Bacca's was really awful and at this point I'd happily cash in on him as his effort and end product just hasn't been there for a while.
  Forum: Matches · Post Preview: #413506 · Replies: 74 · Views: 13,309

kurtsimonw
Posted on: Dec 6 2016, 07:02 PM


Prima Squadra
************

Group: Helpers
Posts: 30,192
Joined: 11-March 07
From: Birmingham, England
Member No.: 3,660


QUOTE (han2503 @ Dec 4 2016, 04:26 PM) *
Anyone watching the Rome derby? And do you know why the Olimpico is 2/3 empty while hosting such a big game?

Roma fans are boycotting. Something to do with being fined for their flags, barriers put up in the Curva's and stuff like that.

Last season Lazio fans did the same and the stadium was basically empty.

  Forum: Football Discussion · Post Preview: #413255 · Replies: 82 · Views: 402,339

881 Pages V   1 2 3 > » 

New Posts  New Replies
No New Posts  No New Replies
Hot topic  Hot Topic (New)
No new  Hot Topic (No New)
Poll  Poll (New)
No new votes  Poll (No New)
Closed  Locked Topic
Moved  Moved Topic
 

Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 1st October 2022 - 02:28 AM