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Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 19 2008, 07:42 PM
Let us all hope for a fruitful transfer campaign and then, I think the merda have had enough fun already, it's time to take business into our own hands 
Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 19 2008, 08:06 PM
Haven't you heard? Silvio is PM again. 
Let the good times roll.
Oh, you think Silvio will do to Moratti what Putin did to Abramovich? 
Milan to finish in the top 3 for sure. Beyond that it'll depend on the impact our transfers make.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 19 2008, 08:17 PM
ahahah ... I doubt it .. it's a whole different ball game in Italia
Posted by: kurtsimonw May 19 2008, 08:50 PM
1. Inter
2. Juve
3. Milan
4. Roma
My prediction for the top 4 pre-transfer window. And it will take ALOT to move any higher. We are light years behind Inter at the moment and t will take lots of top transfers for us to even get close to them in my opinion.
Posted by: zdrossoneri May 19 2008, 09:16 PM
No matter how pessimistic I am sometimes, I think we have a great chance of winning the Scudetto, even if we don't do the best we can in the transfer market.
Posted by: kurtsimonw May 19 2008, 10:59 PM
Chelsea's preparations for the Champions League final were disrupted yesterday by reports from Italy that Frank Lampard would quit the club after the game to take up a four-year contract with Inter Milan. Confirmation from Uefa that Lubos Michel, the referee who allowed Luis GarcÃa's infamous “ghost goal†in the semi-final defeat by Liverpool three years ago, will be in charge against Manchester United tomorrow evening provided a further source of irritation.
Senior officials at Chelsea reacted with surprise and anger that fresh speculation about Lampard, 29, had surfaced just 48 hours before the biggest match in the club's history and Peter Kenyon, the chief executive, placed an immediate call to Roman Abramovich, the owner, to ensure that no deal had taken place without his knowledge. An investigation has been launched to discover whether an agent is falsely claiming to represent Chelsea in transfer business, so strong was the word from Milan that a transfer was on the verge of completion.
Sources in Milan were happy to provide details of a salary - approximately £5.8 million a year - and a length of contract for the Lampard transfer, yet Chelsea claimed that there had been no contact between the clubs, while Steve Kutner, the England midfield player's agent, insisted that no decision would be made on his future until later in the summer, after talks with Chelsea.
Lampard's contract has one year to run and it may be that if he cannot reach agreement on an extended deal, he will be sold rather than allowed to leave on a free transfer, but Kutner said that word of an imminent move to Milan was wrong.
“There is no truth in it at all,†Kutner said. “I don't know why Inter Milan would think this. Nobody has talked to me and I am good friends with the owner, Massimo Moratti. I took Paul Ince there, I took Patrick Vieira there - if there was something on I am sure I would know.
“The situation is that Frank has got a massive match on Wednesday, after which he needs to spend time with his family, because he has not had a real opportunity to do that since his mother died. He needs to get away and sort out his personal life and when he has done that we will sit down and talk about his future in football.
“After that we will talk to Chelsea and that is as far as we have got - there is nothing in the pipeline and I don't know why this has surfaced now.â€
The speculation could not have come at a worse time for Chelsea, with so much uncertainty around important players going into the club's first Champions League final. Didier Drogba is a target for AC Milan and there is still no final word on whether Avram Grant, the first-team coach, will be in charge next season.
Lampard's departure seemed a perfect fit with increasing indications that he would be reunited with José Mourinho, Grant's predecessor, if he went to Inter. Mourinho expects to open talks with Moratti next week and is favoured to replace Roberto Mancini as coach. Although preliminary terms have not been agreed, his appointment is increasingly regarded as a matter of when, rather than if.
Chelsea reacted with stoicism to Michel's appointment, though there is little doubt that they would have preferred another referee, for superstitious reasons if nothing else. Chelsea have not won a match officiated by the Slovak, who also took charge of their 1-0 defeat to Werder Bremen in last season's group stage.
Chelsea will train at the Luzhniki Stadium this evening, with the final place in their starting XI still up for grabs. It is a straight fight between Florent Malouda and Salomon Kalou. Grant is leaning towards picking Malouda for his greater experience - the France winger has started all Chelsea's Champions League away matches this season - though a final decision could be delayed until tomorrow afternoon.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/chelsea/article3965240.ece
I don't see this happening personally. But he and Jose did get on well, so if Jose went to Inter..
Posted by: Portikins May 19 2008, 11:39 PM
Italy would be great for Lampard. Pizza, ciabatta, pasta, lasagna, calzone...
Posted by: Tennie May 19 2008, 11:39 PM
Could just be a plant job from the evil gremlins who live under Old Trafford, Kurt. 
The Italian press is talking a lot more about Mancini to Chelsea than any chelsea players going to Italy. Even the Drogba rumors have been mostly quiet the last few days other than Seedorf's comment this morning. (oh, and Chelsea maybe bidding for Deco).
EDIT: something Porty left off the list: CANNOLI.
Posted by: morgoth May 21 2008, 07:31 PM
My prediction for next season
1-Milan
2-merda
3-zebras
4-Fiorentina
Prandelli wants to build a squad that can play both in europe and serie A, and they'll probably buy 3/4 quality players for the next year, even if I believe they'll end up with us in the uefa sup I pretty sure they'll do very well in Serie A next season 
With the right mentality in the market Milan can be back on top again and I believe that the next season will be ours. Zambrotta, R10/Eto'o/Drogba, Flamini, a good GK and DC and will be back on track (if we can trade Oddo for another RB, it would be awesome).
The zebras should be concerned about their defence instead of buying stokers I think, it's their weakest department and they don't seem to care about it, or maybe they already have a plan and dont' want to talk about it ...
La merda on the other hand is already a complete team minus unity, wth a coach like Mourinho they could have that, but what would be worrying is the fact that they're chasing Eto'o, Eto'o and Ibrahimovic would be unstoppable, the Swede can end up in Madrid though ...
I think la Roma will be the flop of the next season, they sowed once again that they're not up to the task, they have few champions but it takes more than that to be a great team. They're in absolute of a strong striker and could challenge la Viola for Gilardino (they should), but I think that they'll be back to their usual self and fail next term.
Posted by: Devillito May 21 2008, 07:49 PM
La merda on the other hand is already a complete team minus unity, wth a coach like Mourinho they could have that, but what would be worrying is the fact that they're chasing Eto'o, Eto'o and Ibrahimovic would be unstoppable, the Swede can end up in Madrid though ...
Indeed, that would be a terrible nightmare.
I dont even want to think about it.
Posted by: Portikins May 21 2008, 09:47 PM
I dont even want to think about it.
Ibrahimovic + Eto'o.
Ibrahimovic + Drogba.
Even Ibra + Adriano (a 100% and motivated one, under Mourinho) would be a nightmare for any defense.
Posted by: morgoth May 21 2008, 09:55 PM
Ibrahimovic + Drogba.
Even Ibra + Adriano (a 100% and motivated one, under Mourinho) would be a nightmare for any defense.
The thing is that Ibra & Eto'o are more complementary, so it would be more devastating.
Posted by: Devillito May 21 2008, 10:48 PM
Ibrahimovic + Drogba.
Even Ibra + Adriano (a 100% and motivated one, under Mourinho) would be a nightmare for any defense.
Stop messing with me head!!
Stay Mancini stay!!
Posted by: dst May 22 2008, 12:03 PM
I can't but be biased... of course I believe we'll be fighting for the scudetto next season... if I didn't I would be sad...
It's be interesting to see some English in Serie A. Let them get Lampard and we'll go snatch Gerrard.
Posted by: Bluesummers May 24 2008, 04:44 PM
It's be interesting to see some English in Serie A. Let them get Lampard and we'll go snatch Gerrard.
I thought you hated liverfool and all its playerS?
Posted by: kurtsimonw May 24 2008, 05:09 PM
If we bought him, he'd no longer be a Liverpool player though.
Posted by: dst May 24 2008, 05:20 PM
If Gerrard left Liverpool the scousers would be unhappy... and that makes me happy!
Posted by: Portikins May 24 2008, 11:03 PM
23:03 del 24 maggio
Roberto Mancini continua con il silenzio. Nel dopo partita è capitan Zanetti, ai microfoni della Rai, a parlare a nome dell'Inter. "Abbiamo fatto una buona partita. Abbiamo fatto quello che potevamo con una grande squadra come la Roma. Partita corretta, grande serata di sport. Siamo molto contenti di aver vinto il campionato". Poi la domanda sul futuro di Mancini. "Se resta? Non si sa. Ha fatto un grande lavoro, deve parlare con Moratti".
http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=28&a=82370
Their captain doesn't know if Mancini stays.
OF COURSE HE KNOWS MOURINHO IS ABOUT TO SIGN. FFS.
Posted by: zdrossoneri May 25 2008, 09:52 AM
Now that we will have only the Scudetto to play for next season, it's interesting to see whether Carlo can beat Mourinho's Inter for the league title, even when they're fighting on three fronts.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 26 2008, 06:47 PM
Mourinho hasn't been confirmed yet .. And when he is confirmed for la merda, he needs to build the team for it to be his
No, I think Carlo along with the board will be all out on the Scudetto next season. I also think Milan will target the Uefa cup, too, for obvious reasons
This coming season, I believe it will be a beautiful championship, if Milan, Juve, Roma, Lazio, Napoli (finishing 8th after just being promoted, very good team plus history), and Fiorentina bolster their respective squads ... It will be one hell of a tussle from start to finish !
Posted by: morgoth May 26 2008, 09:09 PM
Honestly, at first when Fester came out and said that he'll bring 6/7 new players and all the fuss around Milan's transfer market, I thought we'd really make some great signings, but now with Lloris who's probably going to Lyon and the fact that we don't seem to find an agreement with Barça about their players fast enough, I'm losing hope about the scudetto
I mean last year when Bayern knew that they wont make the CL, they started buying player very fast and they didn't wait time on negotiation like we are doing now, they knew what they wanted and they went for it, simple as that. Of course one can argue that Milan have still time, plus the fact that R10 wants Milan or nothing for example can lead the management to take their time, the problem is that people can change their opinion very fast (especially the likes of R10) and we're not alone in the market. Seriously, when you see that Wolfsburg bought Zaccardo and will probably snatch Barzagli (two world champions), no offence but where the hell is Milan? It's not because we don't like la merda president that we won't bid for his players ...
I hope this sensation I have about next years league is just something due to a bad day and we'll finally get what we all want here, winning the 2008/2009 scudetto.
Posted by: acid911 May 27 2008, 05:40 AM
I beg to differ with that statement.
I believe we'll fight on both fronts next season, the League and the UEFA Cup. Maybe even win the UEFA Cup, if everything goes well in between now and then. It's the B grade of Europe, and can't we beat those teams? Plus, winning the Cup will at least add to our rankings in Europe and with UEFA, and add another international trophy to our cabinet. I want the gap between us and Boca Juniors increase as much as possible, as soon as possible.It may not be our priority next season - the Scudetto will be - but don't for a moment think Milan will take Europe lightly. No, sir.
Posted by: morgoth May 27 2008, 07:38 PM
Apparently our little Pato is following the foot steps of his idol
Now I absolutely don't want R10 to be near Pato
Wasn't Kaka supposed to look after him?
Posted by: Bluesummers May 27 2008, 07:48 PM
Apparently our little Pato is following the foot steps of his idol
Now I absolutely don't want R10 to be near Pato
Wasn't Kaka supposed to look after him?
could you translate that please
Posted by: morgoth May 27 2008, 07:51 PM
Google translator
Posted by: dst May 27 2008, 08:39 PM
Could it be our own Alexander Pato!??
Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 27 2008, 08:42 PM
^^^
Don't know of any other Pato who goes around with a Stephany Brito. I still don't know what that means though...the paragraph.
Posted by: Tennie May 27 2008, 08:49 PM
Basically, the rumor's been going around Milan that our litle Duckling has become quite the party animal and that THIS led not only to Sthefany breaking up with him but also to his not starting the last few games of the season. The rumors are being questioned in part, though, because the Duckling + Sthefany were seen at the Maracana during the Flamengo=Internacional game.
Posted by: morgoth May 27 2008, 08:55 PM
ouh, you uys are so slow to understand! Thank God there's a girl in this forum
Posted by: dst May 27 2008, 09:01 PM
I'm still not convinced it's our Pato! I mean... the translator said a Pato... in general! There are ducks elsewhere!
Anyway... if this is true then I'm disappointed. Utterly disappointed. I wish he gets married with his girl as soon as possible!
Posted by: kurtsimonw May 27 2008, 11:16 PM
The wonders of having Ronaldo on your team..
Posted by: morgoth May 28 2008, 12:07 AM
I'm still not convinced it's our Pato! I mean... the translator said a Pato... in general! There are ducks elsewhere!
Anyway... if this is true then I'm disappointed. Utterly disappointed. I wish he gets married with his girl as soon as possible!
Yes the article says "un pato" but it's like you say "uno grande Milan" the translation is "a great Milan" or "a Milan of great nights" but it doesn't mean that there's another Milan
Posted by: dst May 28 2008, 09:18 AM
Yes the article says "un pato" but it's like you say "uno grande Milan" the translation is "a great Milan" or "a Milan of great nights" but it doesn't mean that there's another Milan You realize I was joking right?
Posted by: morgoth May 28 2008, 04:09 PM
I'm so stupid
Interesting article on la Gazzetta and pretty easy to understand, the tops, the surprises and the folps of the season.
Aguero (Atletico Madrid): "El Kun" non ha più bisogno di dimostrare nulla. E' un campione e gioca come tale: 19 gol nella Liga e una leadership impensabile per un ragazzo classe '88.
Benzema (Lione): insieme a Ben Arfa, è il tesoro che il Lione ha fatto crescere in casa. Miglior marcatore della Ligue 1 e nuova stella della nazionale francese.
Casillas (Real Madrid): sempre troppo sottovalutato, non sbaglia mai e a volte fa miracoli. Si parla sempre di Buffon e Cech, ma Iker è tra i segreti del Real Madrid che vince.
Del Piero (Juventus): se il suo campionato da capocannoniere non vi ha stupito, vi facciamo i complimenti. Stagione da incorniciare per Ale, gli anni per lui sembrano non passare.
Fabregas (Arsenal): ha chiuso la stagione in leggero calo e paga un po' il fatto che l'Arsenal non abbia vinto nulla. Giustiziere del Milan in Champions, almeno fino a marzo ha dato spettacolo.
Gomez (Stoccarda): Mario è pronto per una grande squadra. Prontissimo. Nonostante lo Stoccarda non abbia ripetuto l'impresa dell'annata 2006-07, Gomez ha segnato gol a grappoli.
Ibrahimovic (Inter): ha avuto un passaggio a vuoto (dovuto anche a guai fisici) nella seconda parte della stagione, ma è tornato decisivo nel momento più delicato, ragalando all'Inter lo scudetto.
Lampard (Chelsea): insieme a Drogba, resta l'unico realizzatore affidabile dei Blues. Solo che Frank gioca a centrocampo... Ha reagito da campione e da grande uomo al lutto per la scomparsa della madre.
Messi (Barcellona): si è fatto preferire a Ronaldo nel duello diretto in semifinale di Champions, è stato uno dei pochi a salvarsi in un pessimo Barça. Se stesse sempre bene, non ce ne sarebbe per nessuno.
Nihat (Villarreal): il turco ha sempre dimostrato di vedere la porta, ma in questa stagione si è superato. I suoi 18 gol hanno portato il "sottomarino giallo" al secondo posto nella Liga. Che coppia con Giuseppe Rossi.
Raul (Real Madrid): quanto detto per Del Piero, vale anche per il capitano del Real. Punto fermo dell'attacco, bandiera dei blancos, è tornato a segnare tanto. Ma non ha convinto Aragones: a Euro 2008 non ci sarà .
Ribery (Bayern): "Non avrei mai creduto che fosse così forte". Parole e musica di Luca Toni, estasiato dalle doti dell'amico francese, vera anima del Bayern.
Ronaldo (Manchester Utd): 42 gol stagionali parlano da soli, soprattutto se a farli non è una punta. In rete anche in finale di Champions: ogni tanto ricade nel vizietto di eccedere, ma oggi è lui l'uomo che fa la differenza.
Toni (Bayern): top scorer della Bundesliga, immarcabile anche in Europa. Che spettacolo questo Toni, stella italiana all'estero con i suoi 39 gol stagionali. In Germania sono pazzi di lui.
Torres (Liverpool): solo Kevin Phillips ha fatto meglio dei suoi 24 gol nella stagione d'esordio in Premier League. "El Niño" ha conquistato Liverpool: è l'uomo che mancava all'attacco dei Reds.
TOP 15: LE SORPRESE - I 15 protagonisti inattesi della stagione, quelli che hanno stupito tutti.
Adebayor (Arsenal): l'eredità di Henry era pesante, "Ade" l'ha raccolta come meglio non si può. Gigante dai piedi buoni, ha incantato le platee di mezza Europa. Ma i Gunners non lo cederanno.
Balotelli (Inter): non ha ancora 18 anni, ma gioca con tanta tranquillità e autorevolezza da sembrare un veterano. Mancini, nella volata scudetto, si è affidato a lui per sostituire Ibra: impensabile a inizio anno.
Borriello (Genoa): da panchinaro fisso del Milan a stella del Genoa. La convocazione nella Nazionale azzurra è il giusto premio per un attaccante che ha dato una svolta alla sua carriera.
Cazorla (Villarreal): uno dei nomi meno conosciuti nella squadra rivelazione della Liga. Il suo lavoro di quantità e qualità a centrocampo è stato notato dal c.t. spagnolo Aragones, che l'ha voluto in nazionale.
Flamini (Arsenal): il neo-rossonero ha incantato con i Gunners, ma fino all'anno scorso non era nemmeno titolare. Ha tolto il posto a Gilberto Silva con una continuità di prestazioni notevolissima.
Güiza (Maiorca): Dani è stato il "pichichi" di questa Liga con 27 reti. Che fosse un attaccante in crescita lo si sapeva, ma che potesse volare fino alla chiamata in nazionale è una vera sorpresa.
Inler (Udinese): pilastro della squadra di Marino e della Svizzera di Kuhn, fino all'anno scorso era quasi sconosciuto. Ora è insostituibile, in questa serie A ha giocato più di 3000 minuti.
Krkic (Barcellona): Bojan è stanco, Bojan ha l'ansia... Bojan non andrà all'Europeo ed è difficile accertarne i motivi. Limitiamoci a parlare della stagione di questo ragazzino, in doppia cifra di gol nell'attacco sovraffollato del Barça.
Lell (Bayern): tutti aspettavano Jansen, invece il laterale destro del Bayern è stato quasi sempre Lell. Non prenderà molti voti, già lo sappiamo. Ma la nomination è un plauso alla solidità di questo giovane difensore.
Lloris (Nizza): il Milan lo segue e non è un mistero. Ma non è un mistero neppure il perché: chi ha visto qualche partita del Nizza, avrà notato la reattività di questo ragazzo dal futuro assicurato.
Luis Fabiano (Siviglia): finalmente, dopo tanto penare, O Fabuloso si è svegliato e ha disputato una stagione all'altezza delle sue qualità . Peccato che i suoi gol siano arrivati in un anno amaro per il Siviglia.
Maggio (Sampdoria): e chi se lo sarebbe aspettato? Sono 9 i gol in campionato per l'esterno blucerchiato, che a settembre non era nemmeno sicuro del posto da titolare.
Negredo (Almeria): cresciuto al Rayo Vallecano e transitato per il Real Madrid nella gestione Capello, "lo squalo" ha trascinato l'Almeria con 13 gol. Niente male, per una punta classe '85.
Oliveira (Saragozza): strano destino quello di Ricardo... Fantasma in una squadra di successo (il Milan 2006-07), protagonista con raffiche di gol in un club di insuccesso (il Saragozza di quest'anno).
Vargas (Catania): le scorribande sulla fascia sinistra e i 5 gol del peruviano non sono passate inosservate. Ora piace a tante squadre italiane ed europee. Quasi sicuramente lascerà la Sicilia per un top team.
FLOP 15: LE DELUSIONI - I 15 giocatori che sono andati ben al di sotto delle attese in questa stagione.
Aimar (Saragozza): la tecnica c'è sempre, ma non basta. Se il Saragozza è retrocesso non è tutta colpa di Pablito, ma lui è l'ombra del fuoriclasse ammirato ai tempi del Valencia.
Almiron (Juventus): al Monaco, club in cui si è accasato da gennaio, si è parzialmente ripreso. Ma l'argentino ha sprecato in bianconero la sua grande occasione. Saprà riscattarsi?
Bresciano (Palermo): stagione da dimenticare per l'italo-australiano, molto al di sotto del suo valore. Per tanti mesi è sembrato sul punto di essere ceduto e forse sarebbe stato meglio così: raramente titolare, mai decisivo.
D'Alessandro (Saragozza): si è segnalato soltanto per un litigio furioso con Aimar in allenamento. Poi è tornato in patria, al San Lorenzo. Talento puro, ma con molte cose da sistemare dal punto di vista caratteriale.
Dida (Milan): l'errore nel derby, la sceneggiata di Glasgow e altre dimostrazioni di scarsa affidabilità . Chi si aspettava un riscatto del portiere rossonero sarà rimasto deluso.
Emerson (Milan): in tutta la stagione, non ha praticamente mai trovato una condizione fisica accettabile. Avrebbe dovuto dare respiro ai titolari del centrocampo milanista, non ci è mai riuscito.
Gilardino (Milan): purtroppo, tra i rossoneri è andato male anche "Gila". Tante opportunità da titolare, poche risposte confortanti. Dovrebbe cambiare aria per ritrovare se stesso.
Henry (Barcellona): 12 gol nella Liga non sono un bottino disprezzabile, ma Thierry in questa stagione ha sempre giocato, rimanendo però l'ombra della stella applaudita all'Arsenal. Ha problemi personali e si vede.
Hildebrand (Valencia): non ha colpe maggiori rispetto ai compagni di squadra nel cammino a tratti imbarazzante di questo Valencia. Ma non è stato sempre all'altezza della situazione e ha perso il posto in nazionale.
Mikel (Chelsea): doveva essere la stagione della maturità , invece è stato rimandato. Quando il gioco si è fatto duro, Grant si è affidato al vecchio Makelele, perché il nigeriano spesso perde la testa.
Muslera (Lazio): ha costretto "nonno" Ballotta a fare gli straordinari, perché le papere di cui è stato protagonista l'uruguaiano hanno covinto Delio Rossi a limitarne le apparizioni.
Ronaldinho (Barcellona): è stato afflitto da parecchi problemi fisici, ma è evidente che non ha mai reso come la sua fama imporrebbe. Difficile capire la ragione: forse un calo di motivazioni, forse le sirene rossonere.
Stankovic (Inter): unica nota stonata nell'Inter scudettata. Ineccepibile dal punto di vista dell'impegno e della generosità , ma questo non è il Dejan che siamo abituati a vedere.
Tiago (Juventus): è un po' cresciuto nel finale di stagione, ma nel complesso dal portoghese ci si attendeva di più, perché la Juve ha investito molto su di lui. Forse avrà una chance di rifarsi l'anno prossimo.
Tristan (Livorno): a lungo abbiamo sperato che lo spagnolo tornasse ai fasti di quando giocava nel Deportivo. Non è accaduto e puntare su di lui è costato caro agli amaranto.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 28 2008, 07:43 PM
Serie A will commence on August 31st 2008 and end on the 31st of May 2009.
There will be 3 match days in teh following weeks: 24 Sept, 29 Oct, and 28 Jan.
The championship will also take a break for three weeks, so the NT can play the qualifiers for the WC 2010: 7 Sept, 12 Oct, 29 March. There will also be a Christmas break from the 21st of Dec till 11th Jan.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 28 2008, 08:02 PM
Mancini's ousting from internationale Milan has brought shock waves to those who would not even comprehend the idea, of them, Milan's 2nd captain, Massimo Ambrosini.
Massimo spoke from the Azzurri training camp: "I see that the ousting of Mancini is weird and a shock at the same time. He is a coach that had won in a brilliant fashion with inter in the past two seasons. But Football is unique in that it is filled with controversy and hypocracy. And we are lucky that such things never happen at Milan."
He continued, "I believe that the club's decision to keep Ancelotti on the bench, is a very smart one, and that is because it is almost impossible to imagine Milan without Ancelotti. There are these atmospheres that the coach brings into the dressing room."
Forza Massimo ! 
Forza Milan !
Forza Ancelotti !
Posted by: dst May 28 2008, 10:46 PM
I really want to see Fiorentina strengthen! The Gila acquisition is gold but they lost Ujfaluši who was great for them and also was their captain. I thought getting Barzagli would be more than a compensation for this loss but he's not going Germany...
We still have a long time though...
Also Lazio seem to have set their hopes high. And Roma, if they strengthen a bit they could become a real title contender, not end-of-the-season-when-Inter-lost-focus type of contenders! Plus... Inter had way too many injuries this season so one would expect Roma not to be fighting for it in the last match days...
I'm waiting to see what Juve have in plan too. It looks set to be an exciting campaign next season!
Posted by: kurtsimonw May 28 2008, 10:56 PM
You WANT to see Fiorentina strengthen!? Are you crazy, we could finish 5th again!
Posted by: dst May 28 2008, 11:02 PM
Of course I do. If we finish 5th then it would be our fault not Fiorentina's. Also, in my view, it's more satisfying when you achieve something knowing your opponents are strong: that's why I always play video games at Very Hard mode!
Posted by: Tennie May 28 2008, 11:08 PM
Interesting rumor making the rounds in Italy. Lega calcio is apparently talking about playing the Supercup (merda-Roma) in New York this year.
I'd make a trip up to see the game.
Posted by: dst May 28 2008, 11:10 PM
!?? That would be interesting. But I think the Super Cup is just one week before the season kick-off, isn't it? I mean... would the teams agree with this?
Posted by: Portikins May 28 2008, 11:42 PM
I totally agree with it.
Once, there was a Portuguese Supercup in Paris. And it was a success.
Posted by: morgoth May 29 2008, 01:07 AM
I still can't see what's the point of playing the super cup in another country where most of the supporters can't go ...
Oh, wait it's called merchandising right?!
Posted by: kurtsimonw May 29 2008, 01:23 AM
Agreed, it's all money.
Why should the Inter and Roma fans who pay good money for season tickets have to miss the first cup of the season because fans in another country want to see them? Totally against it!
Posted by: kurtsimonw May 29 2008, 01:45 AM
Not sure if it's been posted (or where to post it) but Ancelotti is now the favourite for the Chelsea job according to SSN.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 29 2008, 05:10 AM
He won't go. Not till 2010, or after he's failed with club post heavy investment(whether it's this season or the next, I don't know).
There's just no way the club would have kept on a coach who finished 5th, unless they knew it wasn't his fault at all. In this case, they're right, he's been overachieving for 2 seasons, with a depleted squad. So now he's into his probation period, but the club shall invest some money. I think Carlo to keep his job, will need to win a trophy...either the UEFA cup and finish second in the league (not behind Inter), or the scudetto and enter the last 8/4 of the UEFA cup (depends on how much the club wants to make a statement). Of course he might even win the double, if given enough players.
If he doesn't I think he will leave. Milan doesn't keep coaches for this long, never have. It was just that Carlo fit the club too well, and they had no excuses at all to remove him. But perhaps out of respect, they'll let him resign instead of terminating his contract.
And then out of respect Carlo will probably not coach in Italy again (unless it's for Roma or the Azzuri). Chelsea sounds good. It would be a match made in heaven.
1.Carlo's record against English sides.
2. His ability to do amazing stuff with world class players.
3. His football is usually good to watch. WIth Ten Cate as coach, it will be interesting.
4. Previous experience in dealing with ambitious owners.
5. Unquestioned european pedigree.
6. He doesn't ask for a 100 million pounds every season, to win something.
It goes on and on.
As for Milan, I would think, one of either Frankie, Marco, or Franco will come in.
Rijkaard seems the favourite. Marco it will depend on how well he does between now and 2010/11. Baresi...I'm not sure. The last person we elevated from the youth team to coach the seniors on a permanent basis was Capello, and that worked out like a charm. Plus he's Italian.
This of course, assuming Milan do give a higher priority to have ex-players coach them.
You can't say though. Mourinho might have been fired again, coz Moratti is too dumb.
Posted by: kurtsimonw May 29 2008, 05:16 AM
I think the problem with a guy like Ancelotti is that he just isn't a top league coach. And as far as I'm concerned, and what seems to b the general concensus, Premier League success is more fulfilling than winning the European Cup. Mainly because you're beating your rivals in the procces, and it's the product of hard work putt in over 8 months of football, rather than 13 games.
Just my opinion though. And also a reason I'm not a fan of Carlo, doing well in Europe means jack if you're gonna do nothing in the league.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 29 2008, 05:41 AM
I understand your sentiments, but I have no doubt in my mind, that Carlo would easily easily win the EPL, if he were in a team with Chelsea with Abramovich's resources.
His team is built on passing, and making use of spaces in the mid-field. And the EPL is very conducive to space in the mid-field. The only exception to this rule was Mourinho's Chelsea, and Rafa's Liverpool. They're the only two sides that played 'European' football.
As for Ancellotti not winning. He was won the scudetto with us. And he did it very dominantly too. That season we also reached the semis of CL I think. But that was the last time, he ever had a proper squad. With cover everywhere. Since then, I don't think you can hold him accountable for the obvious deficiencies in the team ,and/or the targets fixed by the management.
You've already stated you wanted Mourinho. But the reason, I opposed is not that I don't like Mourinho. I would have loved for him to coach one of my other teams, like Valencia or Newcastle (not now, that we've got the greatest coach ever in Kevin Keegan), but...Mourinho would again, just fail miserably in this team.
He'd bench players?? He'd bench them for who? As soon as Carlo got Pato into rhythm, it was the last Milan saw of Gila.
Next, remember the argument on the field in the CL season, when Seedorf flung a bottle in anger?
Carlo: What're you doing? You're lucky I don't have any players left on the bench or else I'd substitute you!
Clarence: You don't like what's happening, you come and play, or else give us some more support from the bench.
No he knew, this problem from before. But the thing was Milan were not going to spend, and he had to make-do till then.
I don't know why. Maybe Milan felt it was more important to get it's finances in shape. Maybe Berlusconi had decided he couldn't spill cash, until his investment in the election campaign was done.
Either way, Mourinho would not have gotten cash either. Mourinho would just have made a hulla-bulloo, about not being given enough cash , the board would have turned the other way, and either Mourinho would quit,and left the team high and dry, or just do as much as Carlo did. Probably less, since the players don't know him/like him as well.
So now people want Mourinho, but they want new players as well?? My point is why should Mourinho get the luxury of getting the players he wants, and form a new team, when a man who pulled us out from nowhere to reach the top of club football, doesn't get the same opportunity.
After the investment,and if the club still fails, then Carletto will be removed. I have no doubts about that. And he will deserve to leave as well.
You like SAF....you probably know the kind of reception SAF got in the first 5-6 years of his career? He was supposed to be fired. But they didn't and he got the time to build his team, and after that it's been all good.
Same is the case with say Rovers and Mark Hughes. Moyes and Everton. Sometimes you need consistency. You cannot fire the coach without analysing what went wrong and why. Otherwise you end up with a Valencia or a Madrid.
The problem besides that, with a personality like Mourinho (since I'm sure 50% of your dislike for Carlo stems from the huge differences in style from Mourinho) is that eventually you're going to have what happened in Chelsea. The team imploded. He could not keep his players together (except his chosen bunch), the rest of the team revolted, and he had to be fired. How else can there be 'problems' with management(who handpicked you) when you've won 3 titles? Not to mention, I found his last interview to be hilarious. I couldn't believe he was saying he needed more players!! All he lacked was a world class RB. That's it!! Carlo's been playing without a fullback, a centre back, a striker, and in some cases a creative mid-fielder as well!!
But that's just me. I happen to be a fan of the Capello, Sacchi, Carlo school. Shut up and play...the press is what Galliani is there for.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 29 2008, 10:17 AM
Great post Cap'ain
Posted by: kurtsimonw May 29 2008, 12:25 PM
His team is built on passing, and making use of spaces in the mid-field. And the EPL is very conducive to space in the mid-field. The only exception to this rule was Mourinho's Chelsea, and Rafa's Liverpool. They're the only two sides that played 'European' football.
I'm not sure he'd win the league easily, but I'd be confident that he'd do it. But he's a good coach, so that's what you'd expect. It will be interesting to see who Chelsea go with. Carlo, Mancini and Mark Hughes are all on the shortlist, but Hughes doesn't usually play very attractive football, so I expect him to be ruled out. I'd be surprised if Carlo even got it, I think they'll go with Mancini - it'd probably be easier to get him too.
You've already stated you wanted Mourinho. But the reason, I opposed is not that I don't like Mourinho. I would have loved for him to coach one of my other teams, like Valencia or Newcastle (not now, that we've got the greatest coach ever in Kevin Keegan), but...Mourinho would again, just fail miserably in this team.
I don't think once in.. 8 years is it now, or 7? Can't remember. Either way it's not quite good enough. Not having a big enough excuse is fair enough, but the problem comes when you rest players in the league to play in the Champions League - basically throwing the league away. Maybe it's acceptable if you go on to win the Champions League, but maybe not to some, his priorities seem to lie in the wrong place, but that's just for me.
I'm not sure he'd fail here, but it's not the right place for him, that's for sure. But he'd also fail at your other team, Newcastle. I think you could put SAF, Lippi, Capello and Jose their altogether and they'd fail up there!
So now people want Mourinho, but they want new players as well?? My point is why should Mourinho get the luxury of getting the players he wants, and form a new team, when a man who pulled us out from nowhere to reach the top of club football, doesn't get the same opportunity.
I agree. I don't blame the players we have on Carlo, that's clearly all the boards fault. The only thing that annoys me is that he is willing to sacrifice the league for a run in the CL, and an early CL exit - like this season - can put you in a very difficult postition with nothing to play for. I know it's supposedly Silvio who prefers CL over Serie A, but then you have to ask the question, does Silvio have TOO much input on team selection? I know it's his club and all, but that's what a choac is for!
Same is the case with say Rovers and Mark Hughes. Moyes and Everton. Sometimes you need consistency. You cannot fire the coach without analysing what went wrong and why. Otherwise you end up with a Valencia or a Madrid.
To be honest, I didn't know much about SAF and what he was thought of before he became a huge success - I was only 4 when he won his first league title - so I can't say much about his situation. But I do agree that you need some sort of consistancy. I think it takes a manager about 3 years to really build 'his' squad. So if you sack him after 3 seasons, you're just putting yourself back to square 1 again. So I think managers do need to be given more time nowadays, it's paid off with smaller clubs like Everton and Blackburn as you say, and even at the top level with SAF, Arsenal and Carlo, so I think time and patience is something owners need to learn about in modern day football.
But that's just me. I happen to be a fan of the Capello, Sacchi, Carlo school. Shut up and play...the press is what Galliani is there for.
I'm not sure it was Jose's personality that really caused problems. It all started from 2 things: 1) Sheva being signed against his wishes and 2) a DoF being appointed - Avram Grant. With Roman buying players for himself, and now Avram in the picture, I think he was just annoyed that he wasn't in charge of transfers. He asked for more money, and was told no.. and I see why he got annoyed - He wasn't allowed any money, yet Roman was willing to spend £30m on a player that the manager didn't even want! Crazy really. Jose didn't actually have the biggest squad, he only had 22 players at one point, they were all of fairly high quality, but that's still not alot when you're competing for 4 trophies.
I'd like somebody in between the way Carlo and Jose act. Jose is great because he doesn't give up when he's been told no, while Carlo seems to just accept any decision without even to be seemingly bothered. On the other hand, Carlo gets on with his job when he isn't given any money, whereas Mourinho starts making stupid interviews over it. A little in between would be nice!
Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 29 2008, 12:32 PM
So we agree on everything except...
kurt...don't make me angry...you won't like me when I'm angry...
Aaaaaargh....too late...!!!
Posted by: kurtsimonw May 29 2008, 12:45 PM
I'm sorry, I just can't help. Keegan really fits them perfectly, he's just too nice and doesn't seem to understand footballers: After a good performance from Habib Beye: "I thought he was outstanding today, we have a great RB in this team. In fact, we've got the best RB in the Premier League" I missed Keegan!
Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 29 2008, 12:55 PM
Sinisa Mihajlovic has slammed the decision by Massimo Moratti to sack Coach Roberto Mancini.
Mancini was told to pack his bags and leave San Siro during a brief meeting with the Inter President on Tuesday afternoon, and his former right-hand man Mihajlovic has revealed the tactician’s reaction to the news.
“He took it very, very badly,†the Serbian revealed.
“He was very disappointed with what happened.
“Roberto came out of the meeting with the President and phoned me immediately to tell me the news. It was the wrong decision.â€
Mihajlovic, who will now almost certainly leave the club as well so that incoming coach Jose Mourinho can bring in his own staff, added that he was stunned that Moratti could make such a decision.
“I never expected such a decision from Moratti,†he stated.
“I do not agree with what has happened. Mancini could have continued to win at this club with just a couple of new signings.â€
Mancini has now emerged as one of the hot favourites to fill the vacant manager’s position at Chelsea, following last week’s sacking of Avram Grant.
Goal.com
I really don't understand how on earth could you remove a coach that has just won you two consecutive titles ! Only la merda
Posted by: kurtsimonw May 29 2008, 12:57 PM
It doesn't make sense really. I think it's outrageous to do such a thing.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 29 2008, 01:02 PM
New York criminal defense lawyer Joseph Tacopina is on the verge of buying Roma, and having just arrived in Italy he could complete the deal today, according to reports in the US and Italy.
Tacopina is a high profile New York defence lawyer, who has handled cases including the late English comedian Peter Cook, American rapper Foxy Brown, as well as Amanda Knox, accused of being involved in the murder of Meredith Kercher in Perugia last year.
Roma have been strongly linked with a takeover in recent months due to the fact that the club’s parent company, Italpetroli, possess debts in the region of €370m.
American businessman George Soros has been most heavily associated with taking control of the club, and according to the NY Post, the billionaire will be the financier of Jacopina’s takeover.
"Joe is purchasing the Roma soccer team with George Soros as his main investor, and [Tacopina's] going to be the president of the team," a source close to the pair said.
"This is just huge. In Italy, soccer's everything, and in Rome the Roma team's the biggest thing right now. Tacopina's very excited. It's a dream come true."
Tacopina landed in Rome this morning, and is being tipped to close the deal by the end of today.
The lawyer, who was born and raised in Brooklyn, holds Italian citizenship and has a law office in Milan, so those who are strongly against the idea of Serie A selling its soul to foreigners just like the English Premiership, may not be so against Jacopina.
Goal.com
I am not convinced of this .. But I know Roma will be sold, and that the Sensi family are gonna take it hard if a deal is struck ! But if a deal is struck, then Roma will really be a force next season, let alone this transfer window!
Posted by: dst May 29 2008, 01:09 PM
It's a universal conspiracy in favor or Mourinho.
Now he's going to keep winning titles (if Mancini did it... there's no doubt Mourinho will do it as well) and of course people are not going to say "This is Mancini's team" like the say Chelsea's Mourinho's team whenever Grant is mentioned... 
Posted by: zdrossoneri May 29 2008, 01:19 PM
What are you people talking about? :you haven't forgotten Mancini's ridiculous comments after Liverpool defeat, have you? 
Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 29 2008, 01:27 PM
Now he's going to keep winning titles (if Mancini did it... there's no doubt Mourinho will do it as well) and of course people are not going to say "This is Mancini's team" like the say Chelsea's Mourinho's team whenever Grant is mentioned... Ah well, with all this hype, it will just make Milan's victory even sweeter
Posted by: dst May 29 2008, 01:30 PM
No. How could anyone forget that?
Posted by: morgoth May 29 2008, 03:59 PM
Actually this is my secret dream
but it won't happen One thing is sure Carlo won't be sacked, if he goes it will be his decision. With that said, I really hope he goes, some people seem to think that there was nothing more we could have done this year but I hugely disagree. His ability to change the game are too predictable, weather when it comes to make substitutions or to change the formation, he's too rigid in my opinion and it cost us the CL spot!
Posted by: kurtsimonw May 29 2008, 05:32 PM
I think he's a decent coach, but football is a confusing thing, as I can also say he's a very bad coach and give reasons why. He won the European Cup with a very average squad, which is obvioualy an acheivment. But then, he only won 1 league title, and that was with a very, very talented squad, with the likes of Sheva, Rui Costa, Stam, etc. and without these star players, he couldn't even finish in the top 4, surely a good coach could finish 4th with a team like Milan and still quality players! And his tactics are another thing under-question, I dunno if he'd survive long at Chelsea. I don't find his football particulary entertaining, and he's too defensive, he'd last 5 minutes in east London like that!
The difference is, Grant couldn't continue to win titles, so it proved it was Jose's doing.
Posted by: morgoth May 29 2008, 06:19 PM
I didn't say he's a bad coach, actually I think he's good, but nothing more. I also think that he has a very small part in the 2007 CL triumph, it was down to a lot of things but Carlo in my opinion played a small part. And he did win one league and finished twice second to a zebra side that was helped a lot by the refs and played 2 CL finals, so it's not like he didn't achieve anything at all, but as you said he had a great squad ...
He's tactics is what annoys me actually, I don't think he takes risks even when there's nothing to lose he still plays the same 4-3-2-1 or 4-3-1-2. Oh and I agree with you about his football, he doesn't plays beautiful football at all! We didn't play beautiful football these past two years, and I think the beautiful football we played in the past was because we had a lot of technical players in the starting 11 (Cafu, Sergio, Rui Costa, Sheva).
Posted by: kurtsimonw May 29 2008, 07:29 PM
Yeah, those are pretty much my thoughts on him.
It would be interesting if he did get the Chelsea job to see how he fared. But I think Mancini will be the chosen guy.
Posted by: Tennie May 29 2008, 07:34 PM
Who cares who gets the Chelsea job?
This is the Serie A thread.
Posted by: kurtsimonw May 29 2008, 07:44 PM
Because it involves Mancini and Ancelotti, to Italian coaches most recently employed in Serie A.. move these posts to the EPL thread if you're that desperate.
Posted by: Tennie May 29 2008, 07:48 PM
Desperate? Hardly. Annoyed as hell at the constant jabbering about a league I detest? Yep.
Posted by: morgoth May 29 2008, 07:54 PM
We're not talking about the EPL, we're talking about Milan's coach and a rumor linking him with Chelsea!
Posted by: m1ke May 29 2008, 08:00 PM
Give her a break Kurt - she does quite a bit for us lot!
Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 29 2008, 08:01 PM
kurt be nice.
Well you can't play technical good football without the players. Give arsene Bolton Wanderers and you'll see.
As for the tactics, the problem is all the players Carlo has got barring a few, are too one-dimensional. Who does he have?
Kaka, Pirlo, Seedorf who I think are the only really good players who are versatile. And now Pato. Besides that, his only fit options were the likes of Gattuso, Brocchi, Ambro, Favalli etc.
@morgoth: Yes...the last two years have been very anti-Carletto type football...except for the glorious night against Manchester. But the years before....ooh-la-la.....but then he had those versatile players see. In Stam, Kaladze, Rui, Sheva.
We'd start of a 4-1-2-1-2, but it was never that. One moment it was a 4-3-1-2, then a 4-3-2-1, and my all time favourite, the legendary(in my book) Carletto special-> the feared Milan 3-4-1-2 
His flexibililty in tactics unlike the coaches say Mourinho or Benitez, was a not a rigid shift from one style to the other through the introduction of subs. He's the Italian school of Capello, Sacchi etc. The change happens in game play.
So you would see these four formations all with the same set of players, but all diff tactics...
Stam/Cafu---Nesta---Maldini----Sergio/Kaladze
--------------------Pirlo----------------------------
-----------Rino------------Seedorf-----------------
------------------Rui/Kaka--------------------------
------------Sheva---------Pippo/JDT---------------
which would become....the 4-3-1-2 or even this.....
----------Stam----------Nesta-------Maldini--------
(Cafu)-------Rino------Pirlo---------Seedorf----(Sergio) ...one of them...
----------------------Kaka/Rui-----------------------
--------------Sheva-------------Pippo/JDT-----------
In a way this worked against us in the long run, coz the fluidity brought so much success. And our subs were great then. JDT for Pippo. Kaka for Rui. Stam who could play the role Bonera plays in the team a 100 times better. I mean Kaladze was a fringe player...so you know.
And what do you mean he had great players?? JDT was not an in-demand player. Stam or Kaladze were not superstars. We've never had a superstar bench...except for that brief period when Kaka benched Rui.
Carletto is a very different coach from Mourinho and Benitez. And imo, he was one of the few coaches among the top clubs (except maybe Benitez the season before), who had the right to make the 'Mourinho-omelette' speech. When he had the eggs, he always made the greatest omelettes!!
Posted by: morgoth May 29 2008, 08:17 PM
Who's talking about super stars? 
I said he had a lot of technical players which favored the beautiful football ... The 3-5-2 formation you're talking about was used once against Baça in the group stage (1-0) that's all and it wasn't offensive at all!
Carlo never wanted to play with 2 strikers and still doesn't want to, he did it in his first years because berlu said so (remember the match against the merda) and because it worked perfectly, when Sheva went to Chelsea he couldn't play it anymore (Oliveira didn't fit in) so he switched to his old formation with one striker, and when we are 2 goals down he puts a second striker ...
Edit. Oh I forgot to mention that Stam was one of the best CB's in the world and was a star!
Posted by: morgoth May 29 2008, 11:15 PM
M.Allegri is Cagliari new coach and Parma (who's in serie B ) will be coached by L.Cagni.
Does anyone know who's Massimo Allegri?
Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 30 2008, 12:54 AM
I said he had a lot of technical players which favored the beautiful football ... The 3-5-2 formation you're talking about was used once against Baça in the group stage (1-0) that's all and it wasn't offensive at all! Carlo never wanted to play with 2 strikers and still doesn't want to, he did it in his first years because berlu said so (remember the match against the merda) and because it worked perfectly, when Sheva went to Chelsea he couldn't play it anymore (Oliveira didn't fit in) so he switched to his old formation with one striker, and when we are 2 goals down he puts a second striker ...
Edit. Oh I forgot to mention that Stam was one of the best CB's in the world and was a star!
What Jack is saying is that Ancelotti is not as ridged as you claim. That with a 4-3-2-1 .. It can change within the game to a 3-5-1-2 or any formation which can be dictated by the qualities of Kaka', Seedorf, Pirlo .. How has Kaka' been so confident lately as an SS ?!
Problem is, there is no one on the bench to sub in, like for example Sergio, a player to add pace on the left flank. Key players like that were not available. Heck, not even Ronaldo was available.(this season)
So you can't say he is ridged, because I am a HUGE fan of Carlo, for what he has done for Milan and it has been a while since I have seen Milan play in such a way, such alertness and the understanding within this group that he had molded. He knew his player's strengths and played at that. I mean, Seedorf was played out of position for the most part of his career under Carlo. But why ? There is the genius who knew how to get the most out of his qualities in a tactic that makes Milan so decorated under him, I mean if we Milan fans hail Saachi and Capello today .. a few years down the line when some hot shot coach comes here and things dont go to plan, we will all reminisce. And history will tell.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 30 2008, 01:04 AM
Leonardo says that it is only normal for Milan to rebuild at a time like this !
He adds that it is strange for Milan not to be in the race for the championship, let alone the CL.
"This is a new scenario for the club, the last time Milan were out of the champions league was in 2000 - 01. And it is only normal to start rebuilding, even if the club is champion for the world. But not challenging for the Scudetto or the Champions League, that is what is strange!"
He continued, "Now the club must get itself organized for the new challenges ahead, seeing as we will play for the UEFA cup next season, it is essential that Milan bring in strong players to mount a challenge for both the Scudetto, and in doing so book a seat in the 09-10 Champions League."
Posted by: rhy_A4 May 30 2008, 01:06 AM
2nd that !!!!!
Posted by: morgoth May 30 2008, 02:00 AM
Problem is, there is no one on the bench to sub in, like for example Sergio, a player to add pace on the left flank. Key players like that were not available. Heck, not even Ronaldo was available.(this season)
So you can't say he is ridged, because I am a HUGE fan of Carlo, for what he has done for Milan and it has been a while since I have seen Milan play in such a way, such alertness and the understanding within this group that he had molded. He knew his player's strengths and played at that. I mean, Seedorf was played out of position for the most part of his career under Carlo. But why ? There is the genius who knew how to get the most out of his qualities in a tactic that makes Milan so decorated under him, I mean if we Milan fans hail Saachi and Capello today .. a few years down the line when some hot shot coach comes here and things dont go to plan, we will all reminisce. And history will tell.
Oh I got that, I know he changes the formation within the game, but he doesn't change it to a pure 3-5-2 (with 3 CB's) actually his favourite move is to switch from the clasic tree formation to a 4-4-1-1 or he asks Kaka to play as a SS instead of a trequartista, sometime he also let the WB's play as midfielders, both of them or only one and this is when he plays a sort of 3-5-2 or 3-5-1-1.
I got that perfectly but it wasn't what I meant, sometimes I'd like to see Milan play from the start of the match with a 3-5-2, especially against a 5-4-1 formation and a team who came to defend all the match, that's why I say he's rigid because he changes only when he's down and needs a result, plus he clearly prefers to play with one striker and that's been a huge problem for us especially with the WB's we have. Oh and I'm not going to talk about his suspicious substitutions, because I'm sure even a fan like you sees that he does a lot of mistakes when to comes to that matter.
That's basically why I think that Carlo's time at Milan has come to an end. On an other note, it takes great players and a great coach to win titles, Carlo without the players he had two years ago wouldn't have win, and the same goes for Capello and Sacchi but actually I've never seen Capello missing out on a substitution and an obvious choice, he makes aggressive formation to win even if he has to play Del Piero as a winger, and the same goes for Sacchi whose trade mark was the attacking and aggressive football (the pressing defence), but Carlo has never shown those characteristics, let alone some directness and authority, and don't get me wrong I'm grateful for what he achieved with Milan, in fact he's one of our most prolific coaches and I will never forget that, but I think if Milan wants to really change they should include Carlo in the balance.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 30 2008, 11:00 AM
I got that perfectly but it wasn't what I meant, sometimes I'd like to see Milan play from the start of the match with a 3-5-2, especially against a 5-4-1 formation and a team who came to defend all the match, that's why I say he's rigid because he changes only when he's down and needs a result, plus he clearly prefers to play with one striker and that's been a huge problem for us especially with the WB's we have. Oh and I'm not going to talk about his suspicious substitutions, because I'm sure even a fan like you sees that he does a lot of mistakes when to comes to that matter.
That's basically why I think that Carlo's time at Milan has come to an end. On an other note, it takes great players and a great coach to win titles, Carlo without the players he had two years ago wouldn't have win, and the same goes for Capello and Sacchi but actually I've never seen Capello missing out on a substitution and an obvious choice, he makes aggressive formation to win even if he has to play Del Piero as a winger, and the same goes for Sacchi whose trade mark was the attacking and aggressive football (the pressing defence), but Carlo has never shown those characteristics, let alone some directness and authority, and don't get me wrong I'm grateful for what he achieved with Milan, in fact he's one of our most prolific coaches and I will never forget that, but I think if Milan wants to really change they should include Carlo in the balance.
Scratch this season, because the team was depleted, suffering from injuries, etc ...
On a whole, Carlo will start off with his XI. And that would be the 4-3-2-1 or 4-3-1-2 ... Now why doesn't he start with a 3-5-2 or something like that, with 3 cbs, is because he has a style, and that style has brought balance to the team. When your team is balanced, you don't change it! Take your pick at any coach, any WC coach and tell me who changes his tactics from one game to the the other ?!
You cant discard all that he has won, you just cant ! You cant say if he had this or had that, when he pushed a tiered team, a team that had just come out of calciocaos, and drove them to CL success, I don't know how many managers could do such a thing, under the circumstances that Milan suffered ?! This by itself tells you of what caliber this coach is. If you don't see that, I am not forcing you too. Just think about it, is this Milan board dumb enough to keep the same coach, a coach who knows nothing past a 4-3-2-1 formation ?
Arigo Saachi kicked off his career with Milan ... Fabio Capello kicked off his career with Milan. And now Ancelotti had kicked off his career with Milan. These are the notable coaches of Milan. Before they first came here, they weren't of the stature of coaching greats such as Carlos Alberto Parreira ... But you can clearly see Milan know what type of coach their club needs.
Posted by: whoarethepatriots May 30 2008, 04:37 PM
This may be slightly random but i think Raffaele Palladino and Tiberio Guarente have the best names in Serie A
Posted by: whoarethepatriots May 30 2008, 05:10 PM
In actual Palladino related news, Viola have been linked with him and Tavano. Tavano (according to the article) is a Viola youth product so the move may be political in nature. Regardless Tavano and Palladino are leaps and bounds better than Vieri, so good for them
They are also closing in on Vargas of Catania
Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 30 2008, 06:30 PM
On Thursday evening Massimo Morratti fired Roberto Mancini officially.
Pier Silvio Berlusconi had commented on this situation which has caused a stir in Italy: "I was really surprised about this, it's a strange and stupid situation. But I believe that behind this move, there is something we don't know about." And there, a little joke came into the fold, "If Mancini doesn't have an agreement with any club .. He should come to Milan. I am only joking."
Then he goes back the being serious: "I think that Morratti -like the rest- has the right to do whatever he pleases. But I also think that in a time like this where the country is facing a crisis, and not only that but paying such figures is stupid. At our present time, the numbers that he is talking about can not be uttered, given the situation of this country. So how is it being spent ?!"
Posted by: morgoth May 30 2008, 07:00 PM
On a whole, Carlo will start off with his XI. And that would be the 4-3-2-1 or 4-3-1-2 ... Now why doesn't he start with a 3-5-2 or something like that, with 3 cbs, is because he has a style, and that style has brought balance to the team. When your team is balanced, you don't change it! Take your pick at any coach, any WC coach and tell me who changes his tactics from one game to the the other ?!
You cant discard all that he has won, you just cant ! You cant say if he had this or had that, when he pushed a tiered team, a team that had just come out of calciocaos, and drove them to CL success, I don't know how many managers could do such a thing, under the circumstances that Milan suffered ?! This by itself tells you of what caliber this coach is. If you don't see that, I am not forcing you too. Just think about it, is this Milan board dumb enough to keep the same coach, a coach who knows nothing past a 4-3-2-1 formation ?
Arigo Saachi kicked off his career with Milan ... Fabio Capello kicked off his career with Milan. And now Ancelotti had kicked off his career with Milan. These are the notable coaches of Milan. Before they first came here, they weren't of the stature of coaching greats such as Carlos Alberto Parreira ... But you can clearly see Milan know what type of coach their club needs.
Don't put words in my mouth, I didn't say he should change his formation every game, all I said is that he never changes and that doesn't mean that he doesn't know how to do it, it's different. You claim that he sometimes play with 2 strikers up front and I say no he doesn't unless under some kind of pressure comes from berlusca, even against the likes of Atalanta and Catania he plays with one striker!
You're talking about Balance and I agree with you, but I don't think any of our player wouldn't adapt to a 3-5-2 or 4-3-3 formation, they're all experienced and played several type of football, so balance isn't the problem for me especially with the midfield we have and the fact that we don't really have any WB's.
Ok, I think the difference between us is that you give more credit to the coach for our results and I give it to the players and the mentality of the club which will be the same whoever is on bench. But it fine with me, we've already been through this didn't we
About the management, I agree, they know what they're doing and I think they are content with the situation and don't bother to change a thing until seasons like that one , I agree too that he kicked his career with Milan, I still remember his zebra days, he was considered as a loser Edit. I'm really starting to like junior ...
Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 30 2008, 11:39 PM
In 'Atahotel Tanka' (Cagliari) Adriano Galliani held a press conference, to present the 10th edition of the AC Milan Workshop 2008.
Galliani said: "The two trophies that are on display today, the Super European Cup and the Club World Cup, are part of the goal that Silvio Berlusconi set on the March 1986. And that is for AC Milan to be the most decorated club from a world-wide perspective. And to do that, we took all of Milan and Milanello with us to Japan in December. And upon our return to Italia, we won a total of 42 points in the league, but that wasn't enough to win us a seat into the Champions League. A feat we have not failed for eight times, in the past nine years. Many good things come about, when bad things happen, our goal today is to win in Italia again. And that is clear both for the players and the coach, our first goal is the Scudetto after not competing for two straight seasons."
He continued: "Next season, Milan will be a fully competitive team, we are working on building upon an already strong team, a team that will have the Scudetto at the top of it's agenda by the time the league kicks-off. We have not been able to do this for the past two years, but we have on the other hand placed AC Milan on a platform that the whole of Italia is proud off. But starting from next season, we will have a squad that would make our faithful fans proud of."
Workshop 2008
Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 30 2008, 11:51 PM
He said: "I doubt that there will be big changes made in the team. Milan is only in need of younger players, so it can be competitive again. We can not spend a lot of money on one player. The best solution is to reinforce all the departments, but something like this takes time."
He added: "The crazy numbers that people talk about today, has no meaning in Milan's dictionary, hence no to Drogba, Eto'o and Fabregas. Our prime target now is Borriello who had played a great championship, plus he knows the atmosphere at the San Siro and it is his duty to respond to that atmosphere! Sheva ?! He is welcome, but only under our terms."
Of course this sort of comments wont go past Ancelotti unnoticed. Even before Gilardino left, Ancelotti was demanding on more than one occasion the purchase of two strikers to get the front line back to it's best. But if things remain the way they are, he could find it a much more suiting atmosphere under the belly of Abramovic who would dream of a coach notorious for his European glories.
Posted by: Habitant May 31 2008, 12:19 AM
Problem is, there is no one on the bench to sub in, like for example Sergio, a player to add pace on the left flank. Key players like that were not available. Heck, not even Ronaldo was available.(this season)
So you can't say he is ridged, because I am a HUGE fan of Carlo, for what he has done for Milan and it has been a while since I have seen Milan play in such a way, such alertness and the understanding within this group that he had molded. He knew his player's strengths and played at that. I mean, Seedorf was played out of position for the most part of his career under Carlo. But why ? There is the genius who knew how to get the most out of his qualities in a tactic that makes Milan so decorated under him, I mean if we Milan fans hail Saachi and Capello today .. a few years down the line when some hot shot coach comes here and things dont go to plan, we will all reminisce. And history will tell.
dint you say something about wanting carlo to be sacked?
Posted by: morgoth May 31 2008, 12:30 AM
Noooo, R7 is a huge Carlo fan
That's probably me, but I want him to go not to be sacked
Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 31 2008, 01:20 AM
Milan's teenage sensation spoke to 'GQ' Magazine about a lot of things that revolve around his football life and his personality and about his childhood which brought up several issues.
Pato said about his start: "I was 11 yrs of age and was looking for a club to take me in, I called up Gremio but they never returned my call, but then I went to Internacional and they gave me the medical on the spot and took me in and gave me a 5 year contract, and since that day I am a fan of Internacional."
And he added: "Today I am able to give my family what I wasn't able to give them when I was younger. I have bought my father an apartment and paid my siblings tuition. I remember when I was going to training for Internacional, on my way in I saw my teammates eating, while I didn't have anything to eat, I would just try to indulge with my eyes while my stomach growls because I couldn't pay for a meal of my own. But here, I am very happy, seeing as my fridge is always full."
He also talked about the tumor that he had: "It was really small, but as time passed it grew bigger, I was 11 years old at the time. They took a piece of my bone from my shoulders and put it in my arm. It was a tumor. It was a difficult time especially for me. And there was a big fuss about my own health, especially since my family couldn't afford the medical insurance. But thank God, doctor Paolo Roberto Mossi agreed to do the operation for free."
About his fiancee: " Yes we plan to marry, but not now."
GQ magazine
Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 31 2008, 12:09 PM
Marca is claiming that Diarra will transfer from Madrid this summer, and his likely destination is either inter, Milan or Juve. The transfer is estimated at 30M euros.
I don't think Milan will take him because Milan are covered in that position, could be a tussle between inter and Juve.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 31 2008, 12:48 PM
Carlos Dunga was confident that Kaka' would be a part of his team in China. But had found a stumbling block when Milan had refused to let Kaka' participate in such a tournament, since it was not under FIFA.
Dunga commented on that: "I want to say that whoever pays the salary of teh player holds the player's rights. The problem with Kaka's participation is from his club, and I have no grudges against that."
He talked about his replacement: "Before everything else, we need a player who is determined to help this team out in China, and this is something I felt from Robinho, where I hope he will join us in China."
Posted by: dst May 31 2008, 02:09 PM
I thought Kaka was a conscious person... I would expect him to boycott the Olympic Games in China. It would be great if he did it cause he is an influential man... I also would be delighted if more athletes were added to the number of those that have already decided to boycott the games. But this is not the place for this discussion...
Just two words for those that care: Human rights!
I know I'm not going to watch a single second of this event. 
Posted by: zdrossoneri May 31 2008, 03:24 PM
Just two words for those that care: Human rights!
I know I'm not going to watch a single second of this event.
Why? what's happened?
Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 31 2008, 03:47 PM
Urm...Beijing Olympics? The People's Republic of China? One of the biggest violators of human rights...according to Amnesty International.
I don't know too many details...but if what they said they did in Tibet is true...that's just unbelievable....
Posted by: morgoth May 31 2008, 07:34 PM
Just two words for those that care: Human rights!
I know I'm not going to watch a single second of this event.
I don't think it's fair to talk about the human rights if you don't know how the Tibet when the dalai lama and his cousins were in charge, it was a serfdom! Basically the Tibetans were the slaves of the religious leaders and had no rights and most of westerns who visited Tibet back then wrote what they saw, you can find it in the net ...
Now the Tibet question is nothing but political and there's a lot of propaganda from both sides, actually when you know that the CIA is the official sponsor of the dalai lama and that he said that the U.S. was the champions of democracy, you'd want to think about the whole situation and make your own judgement.
To think by your self you must question authority ...
Posted by: kurtsimonw May 31 2008, 08:18 PM
Just two words for those that care: Human rights!
I know I'm not going to watch a single second of this event.
Great post, seconded!
Posted by: dst May 31 2008, 08:53 PM
Now the Tibet question is nothing but political and there's a lot of propaganda from both sides, actually when you know that the CIA is the official sponsor of the dalai lama and that he said that the U.S. was the champions of democracy, you'd want to think about the whole situation and make your own judgement.
To think by your self you must question authority ...
I did not talk about Tibet...
But then what about Darfur (west Sudan), what about the thousands of executions many of which take place without trial, what about the "apartheid" between the land workers (who are considered second class citizens) and the workers in the big cities (who enjoy more freedom), what about the internet filtering and total media control, what about the hukou system and the paramilitary organizations? These all are components of an anachronistic dictatorship.
But surely, this is not the place to talk about this all, let's take this privately if you feel like it!
Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 31 2008, 09:34 PM
It's true that Milan will not participate in the UEFA Champions League next season, also being uncompetitive in the local league itself, still the fact remains that Milan is the most title winning side in the world, with 18 internationally recognized titles.
Rossoneri faithfuls in Milan are planning overlooking the current team's results and are trying through the Council of Milan fans (I think they mean Curva by this, not sure..) to celebrate on a tour of Italy for a whole month, starting on the 28th of July from the center of Duomo. The fans will make ten stops showcasing the 18 trophies as an unprecedented honor that AC Milan have brought to Italy. And end the tour at the San Siro on the 31st of August.
Controcampo
Forza Milan
Inshallah that trophy cabinet keeps on growing in size ! And that you keep your fans always with their heads held high !
Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 31 2008, 09:51 PM
Former Milan coach Arrigo Sacchi talked about the situation at both Milan and their cross-town rivals Inter.
Italian football guru Arrigo Sacchi, two-time European champion with AC Milan in 1989 and 1990, and runner-up at the 1994 World Cup as Italy coach, is the kind of person who knows nearly every remotely important person in the football scene and never keeps his opinions to himself.
Today he talked about some of the coaches who have been most in the news lately, like Jose Mourinho, Carlo Ancelotti, and Marcello Lippi.
"I think that in the end Ancelotti will stay at Milan," he said. "If he would accept Chelsea's offer, though, I think the best choice for Milan would be Lippi. I don't think Ancelotti will become the Azzurri's coach, because Italy already have a good coach."
On the other side of Milan, which is currently awaiting the arrival of Jose Mourinho following the sacking of Roberto Mancini, he said: "Mourinho could bring innovations and new ideas, we're talking about quite a character. He will need the complete trust of the players and the club.
"Mancini? I can give him one piece of advice: he should find a settlement with Moratti as quickly as possible and not speak too much about it."
Goal.com
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 1 2008, 06:33 PM
The Premier League and Champions League runners-up began their search for a new boss after sacking Avram Grant.
"(Chelsea) asked for our permission and naturally everything stopped there," Milan vice-president Adriano Galliani told the Serie A club's website.
"He and another Italian coach were at the top of Chelsea's list."
Chelsea sacked Grant on 24 May - three days after losing to Manchester United in the Champions League final - and also terminated the contract of assistant first-team coach Henk ten Cate five days later.
BBC Sport understands the other Italian coach to be Roberto Mancini, who was dismissed by Inter Milan this week despite leading the club to three successive Serie A titles.
It is also thought Blackburn's Mark Hughes and Portugal's Luis Felipe Scolari are among those on Chelsea's shortlist.
Ancelotti, 48, joined Milan from Juventus in 2001 and has since won Serie A once (2004) and the Champions League twice (2003, 2007).
As a player, Ancelotti helped the Rossoneri to two Serie A and two Champions League titles and he is one of five men to have won the Champions League as both a player and a coach.
In 2007, he signed two-year contract extension to keep him at Milan until 2010.
Galliani added: "The fact that our coach is sought after and esteemed pleases me a lot but Carlo Ancelotti will remain Milan's coach."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/chelsea/7429419.stm
Our best chance to get rid of Carlo without needing to sack him, and we reject it.
Posted by: morgoth Jun 1 2008, 08:18 PM
Today was played the last day of the Serie B and next season Chievo, Bologna will play in Serie A.
It's nice to see Bologna in serie A again
The third club will be the one who wins the play-off, it's a sort of mini cup (semi final/final) between four clubs Lecce-Pisa and Albinoleffe-Brescia.
Honestly I don't know why the Lega Calcio did this, it should have been Lecce since they finished third of the Serie B with 5 points ahead of the fourth. It's unfair in my opinion ...
Posted by: zdrossoneri Jun 1 2008, 08:55 PM
Hope it's Brescia
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jun 2 2008, 08:15 AM
I don't know..I kind of like Albinoleffe. If I had a billion dollars, I'd play berlusconi with Albinoleffe.
I would have said Napoli, but with that garbage problem I could never live there.
Posted by: morgoth Jun 2 2008, 04:10 PM
I would have said Napoli, but with that garbage problem I could never live there.
Did you know that Albinoleffe's kit colour is blue
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jun 2 2008, 05:24 PM
^^^ Well we'll have to change that, once I become President right?? You want a job morgoth? You can market Leffe in Algeria for me.
P.S: My memory might be wrong..you are from Al Jaza'ir right?
Posted by: morgoth Jun 2 2008, 05:27 PM
Well we'll have to change that, once I become President right?? You want a job morgoth? You can market Leffe in Algeria for me. P.S: My memory might be wrong..you are from Algierie right?
Yes I'm.
A job? Sure, I want to be a player
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jun 2 2008, 05:29 PM
Done....4th choice Goalkeeper! What number do you want? You get paid Eur. 1000 for every save you make in the league.
Posted by: morgoth Jun 2 2008, 05:38 PM
A keeper, what the hell, no way! Didn't you hear about the players that come from Algeria, they all want to be playmakers, and I'm no exception
Edit. As a starter
Posted by: arivanjj Jun 3 2008, 01:13 PM
isn't that the toilet wall at the San Siro behind him?
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jun 3 2008, 01:33 PM
^^^ Well appropriate. At least Mou can only go up from here. Actually, now I know what Apple Computers felt like when IBM entered the PC market. And they actually put in this ad...
I'm oddly kind of feeling those similar sentiments. No trepidation, just anticipation.
Posted by: dst Jun 3 2008, 02:13 PM
Mou: "I think I'm a great coach" Arrogant comment no. 1. On day no.1!
I too think you're a great coach Jose. And I also think you are an arrogant whiner. Now he might succeed with Inter... but I'm not going to cry... cause he doesn't belong to Milan.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jun 3 2008, 02:25 PM
Posted by: morgoth Jun 3 2008, 04:01 PM
Actually the best part was "la merda is a special club" dst
Posted by: dst Jun 3 2008, 04:20 PM
Well, they are special... in a way. You can't find... such a club anywhere else in the world...
I'll only be counting his arrogant quotes.
Posted by: whoarethepatriots Jun 3 2008, 08:33 PM
Although we all suspected that Mourinho had signed for Inter some time ago, the proof is that he speaks fairly good Italian already. The link below is from Inter's TV station, was done live and Mourinho can clearly be seen talking fluently and even joking with the presenter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f1t-BPxqFg
Also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxH3arxLD1A
There you go, the proof that Moratti always had Mourinho lined up
Posted by: zdrossoneri Jun 3 2008, 10:00 PM
^^
Wow... that's remarkable!
Posted by: Portikins Jun 3 2008, 10:10 PM
I'll be counting his titles and the way they surpass Milan in league titles.
Anyway, this Intermania going on now in Portugal (which will be 10 times worse in the end of August) is driving me crazy.
Posted by: dst Jun 3 2008, 10:44 PM
Anyway, this Intermania going on now in Portugal (which will be 10 times worse in the end of August) is driving me crazy.
I hope you won't have to! In any case, I'm going to be thankful that he's not Milan's coach every time he opens his mouth. I bet that he'll surpass the number of 100 arrogant quotes this season.
So... I understand Mourinho has a huge following in Portugal? Well... it's only normal. You are so damn unlucky buddy!
Posted by: Portikins Jun 3 2008, 11:42 PM
You simply don't imagine... he's seen as a God down here. Every single portuguese (or the great majority) admire him and support the teams he coach.
His hype is 10 times the hype around Cristiano/Figo/Rui Costa/Paulo Sousa... it's unbelievable. I like him too but it's really impressive his power towards the media.
Well, not only in Portugal. Mourinho coaches for 5-6 years and is already love/hated by millions. He's just different for any other coach in the world.
Our star is Kaka'. Roma's Totti. Man Utd's Ronaldo. Messi is the one in Barcelona. In Inter now you won't see Ibrahimovic or any other player as the "star". Jose' will be the star like he was Chelsea or Porto.
Posted by: dst Jun 3 2008, 11:57 PM
That's... impressive!
Posted by: Portikins Jun 4 2008, 12:06 AM
It is.
His press conference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpfZAHksafg
In the last seconds... he 'kills' the English reporter with an answer À la Mourinho. Best way to start the job.
Posted by: morgoth Jun 4 2008, 12:16 AM
About that last question, what meant Mourinho's answer "ma io non sono pirla"
what the hell is pirla?
Posted by: Portikins Jun 4 2008, 12:24 AM
what the hell is pirla?
It's a word which is used in Northern Italy, mainly in the Lombardy (Milan).
It means: idiot ; stupid jerk.
Posted by: morgoth Jun 4 2008, 12:26 AM
It means: idiot ; stupid jerk.
Ok thanks dude
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 4 2008, 01:04 AM
It means: idiot ; stupid jerk.
Seaking another language is impressive, learning how quickly he seems to have learned it is amazing.. but using local terms already!?
Posted by: rhy_A4 Jun 4 2008, 01:33 AM
man he blataintly knew he was going to get the job a few months ago probably more then 2 or 3
Hope his first Derby is a dreadful one
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 4 2008, 01:35 AM
You think it's easy to learn a new language + local words/slang in 3 months? Even if it took him 6 months it's damn impressive.
Posted by: rhy_A4 Jun 4 2008, 01:37 AM
lol yes i think it is VERY easy ....he knows Spanish already from being at Barca.....remember he used to translate to Sir Bobby so Latin is Latin !!!
Posted by: Habitant Jun 4 2008, 04:55 AM
It means: idiot ; stupid jerk.
and thats why i love this guy
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jun 6 2008, 03:42 PM
Adriani Galliani talked this Friday about the Carlo-Chelsea link, conquering that the London based club had followed Carlo (AC Milan coach), as they tried to offer him more than one offer, where he declined all offers. For if there is one coach that Chelsea need to win the Champions League, Carlo Ancelotti is highly ranked in Europe from that perspective.
Galliani said after he arrived the the Lega Calcio headquarters: "Yes, it is true, Chelsea tried to lure Ancelotti, I was aware of it. But Ancelotti in the end said 'No' so now Chelsea will have to declare a new coach. And no, I wont say if he is Italian .. I have spoked with Peter Kenyon and told him that under no circumstances will Milan let Ancelotti go. And after that, they did reproach the coach again and for this the relationship between both clubs remains on good terms."
Galliani continued: "Maybe Ancelotti and Spaletti have something more in them than other coaches around; because they know how to make their teams play great football. And maybe it is because of this that Chelsea wants them!"
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jun 8 2008, 09:38 PM
When Carlo Ancelotti was asked today about Chelsea, he exclaimed that Spaletti might be heading there instead. He also added, that if he ever was to leave Milan, it would be only for his old love, the capital city.
Roma's current coach, Luciano Spaletti, commented over the comments: "Ancelotti said that I should go to coach in London ? I have read those reports, and I am sure he was joking. Carletto is a great wolf, with the feelings that he has (probably has meaning lost in translation, meant to say, he is strongly willed by his passion and desire for success I guess). He is planning for his own future, and with that he is finding a future for me too. I can't take his place in Milan, because I haven't played in the past as a Rossoneri. But if Milan one day wanted me as a coach, I would accept in a hearts beat."
Posted by: dst Jun 8 2008, 09:57 PM
Wolf means he's a Romanista...
I Lupi (Wolves)
Posted by: Tennie Jun 9 2008, 03:59 AM
Chievo and Bologna are already through to Serie A next season.
They'll be joined by either Lecce or Albinoleffe. These two teams will play in the promotion playoff finals -- it's a 2-legged final, with one game this Wednesday and the return leg Sunday.
Also of note: the Sampdoria primavera won the primavera scudetto this year, beating the merda primavera (who fielded Balotelli in the game).
Posted by: morgoth Jun 9 2008, 01:02 PM
The merda loss is a great joy to me they actually lost 3-2 and la Samp. did the double Championship/Cup!
Posted by: dst Jun 9 2008, 04:46 PM
I wish I could watch these play-off games, they usually are excellent. Much better than most hyped up top league games!
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jun 10 2008, 05:39 PM
The big performances that Milan's loaned out player, Nicola Pozzi has produced over the past two seasons, has turn several heads in Italy.
And this is why president Corsi is trying to seal a deal with Milan, before he looses him, he says: "We hope to reach a deal with Milan before the 2th of June, keeping in mind that he is remaining with us until 2010. I repeat, I hope we can reach a deal with Milan within the next two week!"
Mr. Corsi continued, "We will not try to wage war against any team that is trying to sign the player, even if it is Torino. We want the player, but also want to remain in good terms with president Ceiro, and for this reason I have planned to meet with him."
Torino have made it clear that they want the 22 year old in their ranks for next season.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jun 10 2008, 08:51 PM
Milan's new player, Luca Antonini has spent 7 years of his career playing his trade from one club to the next, until finally returning to Milan after Milan bought 50% of his contract from Empoli.
Antonini told Tuttosport: "Usually when the players leave the primavera, after two or three years they are sold to another club. But Milan kept a hold of me for the last seven years, and now they have brought me back home .."
He added on his previous team: "The biggest risk that Cani had taken with me, was when he let me play in the defense: I felt as if I just clicked into the left back role, and I hope to learn a lot from my idol in such a role, Zambrotta. Whom I feel that I share certain characteristics with, I hope to find space in the Coppa Italia and the UEFA cup, and if I can also I would like to participate in the league too."
Posted by: dst Jun 10 2008, 09:00 PM
So we brought back Antonini to be a left-back? Anyway... it's good if he can play in 2 different places, I hope he's decent...
Posted by: morgoth Jun 11 2008, 02:20 PM
I don't think Antonini ca play LB, he's a LM! but maybe we want to do a Sergio to him ...
Does anyone know how much is Pozzi evaluated on the market?
Posted by: Tennie Jun 11 2008, 02:27 PM
There have been a lot of stories linking Pozzi with a move to Torino. So there would appear to be some interest. I've always rather liked Pozzi; he was just getting into really good form when his knee went.
Posted by: morgoth Jun 11 2008, 03:09 PM
You're right Tennie, he was on fire in the beginning of the season (along with Borriello) before getting injured, I really hope we can sell him for a good price, because I don't think he's the type of player we need at Milan (short and pacey)!
Posted by: morgoth Jun 11 2008, 07:18 PM
dst, you'll have to choose between the Euro or the Serie B playoff because the first leg of the final is today!
http://myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=13534&part=sports
Posted by: dst Jun 11 2008, 07:51 PM
http://myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=13534&part=sports
Great!! Thanks!
I did not think it would be online!
Posted by: morgoth Jun 11 2008, 09:49 PM
Serie B playoff, 1st leg, Albinoleffe 0:1 Lecce.
It seems that Lecce will play in Serie A next season, which is more than fair because they ended 3rd with 5pts clear
The goal was scored by Abbruscato, it's been a long time since I didn't hear this name
Posted by: zdrossoneri Jun 12 2008, 08:17 PM
I'm wondering... is Galliani really clean?!?!
Inter, Milan and Samp fined for false accounting
ROME, June 12 (Reuters) - Serie A champions Inter Milan, seven-times European champions AC Milan and Genoa-based Sampdoria have been fined for false accounting, the Italian Soccer Federation (FIGC) said on Thursday.
Inter and Milan were hit with 90,000 euro ($138,900) penalties for financial irregularities between 2003 and 2005 that included inflating transfer fees, FIGC said in a statement on its Web site (www.figc.it).
Sampdoria were fined 36,000 euros.
Seven of the three clubs’ directors were also punished, including Milan Vice President Adriano Galliani and Samp President Riccardo Garrone, fined 60,000 euros and 18,000 euros respectively.
Genoa, Udinese and Reggina were charged earlier on Thursday with similar offences.
Genoa president Enrico Preziosi and Udinese chief executive Franco Soldati are accused of “stipulating contracts for rights to player services with far higher values that those really attributable to those rightsâ€.
The FIGC prosecutor said the player values were inflated to enable the two clubs to meet the financial stipulations needed to register for the 2004/2005 and 2005/2006 seasons.
Reggina president Pasquale Foti has been charged with inflating transfer fees so the southern Italian club could register for the 2005/2006 Serie A season.
http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news?slug=reu-italyaccounting&prov=reuters&type=lgns
Posted by: morgoth Jun 12 2008, 10:01 PM
It's not about Galliani, Milan or any other club, it's the sport system!!!
Huge amount of money ----> cheating
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jun 12 2008, 11:50 PM
Huge amount of money ----> cheating
Yup ... And who really can say how much this or that player costs ?!
Usually, when you want to put a products price in your inventory, you put the cost of it (i.e. how much it cost you) ...
But in Milan's case, how much did they get Pirlo for ? Kaka' ? ... I think the FIGC has a point in this, as I don't see this 50M price tag as feasible really. I mean, your not talking about a factory or a mass production industry .. You are talking about a player, who could get one knock and crack his knees and it could be all over. So these hiked up prices are by no means the price of football players today, and the market is not into that trend. ONLY a few clubs have done so, and those clubs are deep in debt at the moment. (of course Madrid being the exception, always
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Posted by: morgoth Jun 13 2008, 04:31 PM
Newly promoted top-flight side Bologna have been bought by an American business syndicate.
The Felsinei secured their place in Serie A next term with a final-day win over Pisa to clinch second spot in the Cadetti.
And now they are looking to build a squad capable of keeping pace amongst the elite, with Sampdoria’s Sergio Volpi becoming their first recruit earlier this week.
But the latest change is in the boardroom as American group TAG Partners LLC, represented by Paul Galvin, have stepped in to buy the club.
The Americans will own 80 per cent of Bologna FC by July 1 and will acquire the remaining 20 per cent at the end of next season.
Club President Alfredo Cazzola [pictured] will remain and his group Aktiva Spa will still have a say over the direction taken in the boardroom.
The good news for Bologna fans is that the new owners have pledged to sink around £15m into the club – money that could be used to lure some high-profile new recruits.
It has began ...
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 13 2008, 04:43 PM
And they're giving them £15m? Great, you can buy about 1 good player with that.
Posted by: KillerMax Jun 13 2008, 04:48 PM
In England that is, in Italy, for a team that just got promoted, 15 can do wonders.
Posted by: dst Jun 13 2008, 04:52 PM
or should it be... It was inevitable anyway.
True. Maybe not wonders but you can do very well with that money.
Posted by: amancik Jun 13 2008, 09:37 PM
4-1!!!!
Posted by: morgoth Jun 14 2008, 01:00 AM
?!!
Posted by: amancik Jun 14 2008, 01:47 AM
Oops, wrong thread.
Posted by: dst Jun 14 2008, 11:02 AM
Oh I thought the new season had kicked off!
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jun 14 2008, 11:46 AM
Over the last few years, Milan and Juventus were the most teams that contributed to the Azzurri with top class players, unlike Champions inter.
Giovanni Cobolli Gigli had talked about this issue: "We and Milan are the most clubs dedicated to the Azzurri, and this is what differentiates us from the rest!"
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jun 14 2008, 12:00 PM
Milan Friendlies:
26 July: Milan vs Lecce
29 July: Tim cup (Milan, Juve, merda)
1 to 3 August: Russian Railways cup (Milan, Locamotiv Moscow, Sevilla, Chelsea)
17 August: Luigi Berlusconi cup againt Juventus FC
Two more friendlies will be played after that, probably against Anderlecht and Benfica, then the Serie A season will commence on the 31st of August
Forza Milan !
Posted by: han2503 Jun 14 2008, 12:22 PM
Inter, Milan and Samp fined for false accounting
ROME, June 12 (Reuters) - Serie A champions Inter Milan, seven-times European champions AC Milan and Genoa-based Sampdoria have been fined for false accounting, the Italian Soccer Federation (FIGC) said on Thursday.
Inter and Milan were hit with 90,000 euro ($138,900) penalties for financial irregularities between 2003 and 2005 that included inflating transfer fees, FIGC said in a statement on its Web site (www.figc.it).
Sampdoria were fined 36,000 euros.
Seven of the three clubs’ directors were also punished, including Milan Vice President Adriano Galliani and Samp President Riccardo Garrone, fined 60,000 euros and 18,000 euros respectively.
Genoa, Udinese and Reggina were charged earlier on Thursday with similar offences.
Genoa president Enrico Preziosi and Udinese chief executive Franco Soldati are accused of “stipulating contracts for rights to player services with far higher values that those really attributable to those rightsâ€.
The FIGC prosecutor said the player values were inflated to enable the two clubs to meet the financial stipulations needed to register for the 2004/2005 and 2005/2006 seasons.
Reggina president Pasquale Foti has been charged with inflating transfer fees so the southern Italian club could register for the 2005/2006 Serie A season.
http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news?slug=reu-italyaccounting&prov=reuters&type=lgns
Oh I get it! So this is where the money has been going...my bad
Posted by: zdrossoneri Jun 14 2008, 12:23 PM
Considering the way Pirlo has been playing for some time now, I think we need to get a quality backup for him. I can't believe how bad he's been playing. yesterday he had 9873276482 wrong passes and screwed up all the free kicks he took. he seems really exhausted, we can't rely on him to perform like he should in all of next season's game.
Posted by: han2503 Jun 14 2008, 12:39 PM
Yeah well tell that to Galliani we've got 5421131 defensive mids, and not a single quality replacement for either Pirlo or Kaka.
Pirlo is playing the way he is because he's literally run down into the ground right now. And Milan still won't find a quality sub for him, next year will probably get even worse, because I can' see us buying another midfielder
Posted by: dst Jun 14 2008, 01:03 PM
Pirlo was very good yesterday. He even was voted MOM. Maybe you think that's wrong and I agree but he is not some star player that could have been give the award just because he is who he is, he must have done something.
In any case, I agree with you, we do need a back-up for him. He is exhausted!
Posted by: morgoth Jun 14 2008, 01:11 PM
I don't think Pirlo had particularly a good game, he wasn't bad, but wasn't good either. His set pieces were awful, I can't actually remember he delivered one good cross and he definitely don't deserve the MOM in my opinion, it should have been one of the keepers!
Posted by: morgoth Jun 15 2008, 12:16 AM
Balotelli signed a contract extension according to Sky, he's now tied to la merda until 2013!
Posted by: rhy_A4 Jun 15 2008, 01:53 AM
i feel for him he has to put on that dirty shirt for another five years lol
Posted by: armisse Jun 15 2008, 11:31 AM
Posted by: KillerMax Jun 15 2008, 01:45 PM
That's why he asked for a lot more money... It was getting unbearable...
Posted by: morgoth Jun 15 2008, 09:53 PM
Serie B playoff, 2nd leg. Lecce 1:1 Albinoleffe.
Lecce are officially in Serie A
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Jun 15 2008, 09:57 PM
Lecce are officially in Serie A
Milan have some link with them if i am not wrong bcoz we always do play a friendly against them
Posted by: morgoth Jun 15 2008, 10:04 PM
No, that's Lecco
Posted by: Devillito Jun 16 2008, 02:41 AM
I thought they are the same club
Posted by: Tennie Jun 16 2008, 02:54 AM
Hm. Another southern club in Serie A. Good for them!
Posted by: dst Jun 16 2008, 03:21 AM
Bad news for Jack then!
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jun 16 2008, 05:12 AM
Hang on Leffe....10 more years of pimpin dst out...and I'll have enough to make you the new Chelsea.
Posted by: morgoth Jun 16 2008, 04:23 PM
Don't forget to change the kit colour Jack
10 years Ok by then I'll eligible to be a coach
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jun 16 2008, 07:40 PM
Do we? Hmh,...
I can't remember any Lecce player we ever purchased..
Posted by: Portikins Jun 18 2008, 08:03 PM
by JP Lonergan, 18 June 2008
John Arne Riise has completed his move from Liverpool to Roma, with the Serie A giants declaring that he has signed on a four-year deal.
The versatile left-sided Norwegian will join Luciano Spalletti’s side after falling out of favour at Anfield after seven years on Merseyside.
Riise, who has joined The Giallorossi for five million euros, made over 300 appearances under Rafael Benitez and previously Gerard Houllier at Liverpool after signing from Monaco. However, the emergence of Brazilian Fabio Aurelio saw his chances become more limited on the left in his final season on Merseyside.
http://sport.setanta.com/en/Sport/News/Football/2008/06/18/PremSerie-A-Riise-completes-Roma-move/
2-3-4 seasons ago, he was one of the best LB's in the world. Then... something happened and became *****. Pure *****. Good for Roma.
Naughty words removed.
Posted by: morgoth Jun 18 2008, 10:03 PM
I think it's a good buy for Roma, they didn't have a great offensive LB, now they just need to find the next Cafu (Rafinha!) and a target striker, and they'll be OK. Oh and of course extend Aquilani's contract!!!
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 19 2008, 12:11 AM
Good player, just seemed to lose his confidence at Livrpool. The move is good for all parties involved.
Posted by: dst Jun 19 2008, 12:34 AM
My opinion is that Riise is just another mediocre player that Great Rafa made look good. I really can't see why people rate him above average, he only has a good shot and can clean the ball with his jersey... that's it. I never liked him (as a player) and I probably never will.
That said, I hope he helps Roma beat Inter to the title!
Posted by: amancik Jun 19 2008, 10:57 AM
Lamps 'agrees Inter switch' Thursday 19 June, 2008
England international Frank Lampard has reportedly agreed to leave Chelsea for Inter, leaving the two sides to come to an agreement.
Inter President Massimo Moratti is looking to make three big swoops to strengthen the squad on the behalf of new boss Jose Mourinho.
And Mourinho seems to have set his heart upon a reunion with Lampard, who was one of his key men at Stamford Bridge.
While Chelsea have tried to discourage the former West Ham man from emigrating, he reportedly sees this as a great chance for a fresh start and has been lured by assurances that he can remain living in England while wearing the Nerazzurri shirt.
The arrival of World Cup winning tactician Luiz Felipe Scolari doesn’t seem to have changed Lampard’s mind and it is believed that he has officially accepted a transfer.
The two clubs are still to find a concrete agreement, but there are rumours that they will shake hands on a £14m deal.
“I’m not a nostalgic person,†Mourinho said when asked for his view on the speculation.
“But I recognise the players who have helped me win and I would never say no to signing Deco, Lampard or Didier Drogba. I’d like to work with them again, but it’s not an obsession.â€
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an Englishman in Serie A? hurm ...
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jun 19 2008, 12:28 PM
^^^
Won't be the first time.
But I think this is tribal football. As far as I know, they are still negotiating his contract extensions at Chelsea. They're ok with his wage demands, but don't want to give him an extension of more than 2 years. Lamps wants a contract that will have him play out his career. I think 4-5 years. Otherwise, he'd like to go play off somewhere else, and then come back to finish off in England.
Posted by: Portikins Jun 19 2008, 12:43 PM
It seems that Inter is on a verge to sign Lampard and Mancini. Two top players.
Posted by: zdrossoneri Jun 19 2008, 12:51 PM
How come we, MILAN [Italy's richest club], are in financial crisis but Inter are spending millions each year?
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jun 19 2008, 12:54 PM
We are the richest club in terms of assets. For all you know Inter has probably mortgaged it's own assets. In any case they're losing close to 100 mill pounds every year.
We could do the same, but I believe it is a management decision not to. Perhaps they believe this is a sinking ship(spending as much as possible). For instance, Manchester Utd find themselves in a situation where they just interest payments in the 100 mill range a year!! Since they want the club to last another 100 years, I can't entirely say I blame them.
Posted by: Portikins Jun 19 2008, 12:56 PM
No we're not. [The richest] The fact that we've Berlusconi - the richest man in Italy as our owner as nothing to do with the club.
Different mentalities, different motivations, different ambitions.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jun 19 2008, 12:57 PM
^^^
What Portikins said. Different mentalities and motivations. Silvio hasn't spent on the club since the Ronaldo transfer. We're running on our own steam now.
So we're basically at Arsenal level, when it comes to economics, except we have no Asian market,and no stadium assets.
Posted by: dst Jun 19 2008, 01:12 PM
Two top players? Lampard is the one... who is the other?
Mancini is mediocre. FACT.
Posted by: Portikins Jun 19 2008, 01:15 PM
Mancini is mediocre. FACT.
Ibrahimovic was ***** also, an arrogant ***** who never performed in top-matches.
Yet, he gave the last 2 scudetti to them though we've the "best player in the world" in our squad who can't do ***** beside scoring some penalties.
You guessed it. Naughty words removed.
Posted by: dst Jun 19 2008, 01:20 PM
Yet, he gave the last 2 scudetti to them though we've the "best player in the world" in our squad who can't do ***** beside scoring some penalties.
I never said that about Ibra. Except for the arrogant ***** part.
You probably have not watched Kaka play for Milan.
Naughty words removed.
Posted by: KillerMax Jun 19 2008, 02:12 PM
che certamente non si può abbandonare per puntare solo sulla Champions League,
perché altrimenti si crea un problema di continuità nella squadra."
Massimo Moratti, imprenditore e dirigente sportivo italiano.
Moratti can suck my ****. This period of "success" which he bought, not brought for the club, with an scudetti printed on a paper and two others after weakening other teams (Juve to serie B and handicapping Milan) and barely even beating Roma, a team of much lower quality in terms of finances and players, will fade away. Their pathetic record in CL and their loser mentality shows their true colors. Now they have brought in a great coach in Mourinho, and he might bring them some short term success, but with Moratti at the helm, it's only a matter of time before their relationship will break up and they find themselves in the same hole. Milan's success on the other hand has been archived legitimately and it shows with our record in Europe, at the highest stage. Inter can and should enjoy this short term "success" after all their direct involvement in getting other teams weaker. They will be praised by only short sighted people and those are few and far in-between as the whole of Italy disrespect them, even after all of their recent "trophies". Milan, whether under the guidance of Berlusconi, his son, or someone else who might takeover later on, will be back for revenge. And I promise you, it will be a very very cold one.
Posted by: Tennie Jun 19 2008, 02:15 PM
^^^^ The fish doll gives Max a whole box of cookies.
Very nicely said.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jun 19 2008, 02:38 PM
Brilliant post
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jun 19 2008, 02:46 PM
Bravo,..
Posted by: zdrossoneri Jun 19 2008, 03:36 PM
You are very unfair towards Kaka and what he has done in these 5 seasons for Milan. I feel ashamed when I hear these words from a Milan fan, but not uptight, because there's no truth in them whatsoever.
Posted by: Portikins Jun 19 2008, 04:34 PM
Pathetic record in CL and loser mentality? Well, we can do it the other way and say our last 2 seasons were Udinese-like in Italy. And us being the club that pay more for wages in Italy. (-36) + (-21) from the leader are interesting numbers.
Archived legitimately? Calciocaos - we're no saints.
Europe? We can use the Liverpool excuse. When was the last time we won the Serie A + CL? Obviously ending up in 4th or 5th, resting the players for 1 competition... etc bla bla bla.
Italy hate Inter? Italy hate every club that is in the top.
Revenge? Football is not about revenge. It's about results. And in that, we're country-miles behind Inter at the moment.
And IMHO that Moratti phrase goes directly to Galliani that every time a milanisti hear him and his stupid comments [like today] the first thing we think is: "Basta. Sei un *****************..."
It's still a naughty term even in Italian. Edited out.
Posted by: KillerMax Jun 19 2008, 04:49 PM
Archived legitimately? Calciocaos - we're no saints.
Europe? We can use the Liverpool excuse. When was the last time we won the Serie A + CL? Obviously ending up in 4th or 5th, resting the players for 1 competition... etc bla bla bla.
Italy hate Inter? Italy hate every club that is in the top.
Revenge? Football is not about revenge. It's about results. And in that, we're country-miles behind Inter at the moment.
And IMHO that Moratti phrase goes directly to Galliani that every time a milanisti hear him and his stupid comments [like today] the first thing we think is: "Basta. Sei un figlio di put..."
It's me against you. Kaka vs. Ibrahimovic. Milan vs. Inter. You can join the Moratti bandwagon because they are stronger now, but I'm staying put, where I belong and I will fight you and everyone who wants to join Moratti's side. Milan will prevail. And we will be a force to reckon with again. Every era has a cycle. I'm not changing my identity through this transition. Forza Milan!
Posted by: Portikins Jun 19 2008, 04:58 PM
I'm not joining any bandwagon lol. You're no more milanista than me.
The problem is that I can see the reality and how Milan is at the moment. Some of you still try to get excuses like the refs, and telecom and bla bla when we've a 50 point gap from them in 2 years.
50 point gap! Open your eyes ffs. And our fan-base in general is becoming a bit tired of the "a posto così", "primo ranking in UEFA", the "forza milan mentality" no mather how we're run by Galliani and co.
Oh and if you think I'm no milanista, I just criticize, bla bla... go check the big italian forums of our club where they insult Galliani and our politics in every single post.
Some of you would be chocked. Oh, but I just forgot. You guys are the "milanistas".
Posted by: KillerMax Jun 19 2008, 05:11 PM
The problem is that I can see the reality and how Milan is at the moment. Some of you still try to get excuses like the refs, and telecom and bla bla when we've a 50 point gap from them in 2 years.
50 point gap! Open your eyes ffs. And our fan-base in general is becoming a bit tired of the "a posto così", "primo ranking in UEFA", the "forza milan mentality" no mather how we're run by Galliani and co.
Oh and if you think I'm no milanista, I just criticize, bla bla... go check the big italian forums of our club where they insult Galliani and our politics in every single post.
Some of you would be chocked. Oh, but I just forgot. You guys are the "milanistas".
I'm sick of the lies too. I'm not necessarily defending Berlusconi nor Galliani. I talked about Milan. And my despise for Moratti and everyone who likes him. Read my post.
Milan > Inter
That's how I see it. That's how it always will be no matter what the table says at the moment. Inter's supposed "success" is just temporary.
Posted by: Portikins Jun 19 2008, 05:19 PM
Milan > Inter
That's how I see it. That's how it always will be no matter what the table says at the moment. Inter's supposed "success" is just temporary.
As a club we'll always be superior to them*. As a team, nowadays, we're not. That's the reality.
*Though we should be that superior too in our relation with media, and this typical Galliani/Berlusconi/Braida talk just ridicules the club, make us feel bad and pathetic, make other club fans laugh at every quote they say, etc. And many, many other stuff.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jun 19 2008, 06:03 PM
The problem is that I can see the reality and how Milan is at the moment. Some of you still try to get excuses like the refs, and telecom and bla bla when we've a 50 point gap from them in 2 years.
50 point gap! Open your eyes ffs. And our fan-base in general is becoming a bit tired of the "a posto così", "primo ranking in UEFA", the "forza milan mentality" no mather how we're run by Galliani and co.
Oh and if you think I'm no milanista, I just criticize, bla bla... go check the big italian forums of our club where they insult Galliani and our politics in every single post.
Some of you would be chocked. Oh, but I just forgot. You guys are the "milanistas".
If you want to radiate a Milanfan attitude stop allways mentioning Moratti, Inter and their greatness. I mean, yes they are champions, yes the won the title, yes they have 200 points more then we have. Do you think we're all idiots here? Do you think I woke up just about now and asked who's Italy's champion?? Why do you have to constantly repeat yourself? This is not criticism, this is not realism, this are no facts...it's a sadistic way of torture yourself and us. You radiate a negative energy and concentrate to fill that energy in about every post or comment.
And why do you have the need to land a bomb like that Kaka comment? What do you want? Test our commitment? Test our response?
I'm a bit tired of all these repeating comments..
Posted by: KillerMax Jun 19 2008, 06:10 PM
And why do you have the need to land a bomb like that Kaka comment? What do you want? Test our commitment? Test our response?
I'm a bit tired of all these repeating comments..
I concur.
Posted by: Portikins Jun 19 2008, 06:23 PM
And why do you have the need to land a bomb like that Kaka comment? What do you want? Test our commitment? Test our response?
I'm a bit tired of all these repeating comments..
The truth hurts. I know.
But as a Calcio fan I've to talk about them.
Posted by: Portikins Jun 19 2008, 06:25 PM
http://www.acffiorentina.it/it/Articolo.aspx?Ctn=290708
Mutu just renewed with Fiorentina until 2012.
Posted by: Tennie Jun 19 2008, 06:28 PM
But as a Calcio fan I've to talk about them.
Your opinion may hurt. I don't think you've found truth.
Posted by: Portikins Jun 19 2008, 06:34 PM
The opinion of the -36, -21, 50 point gap in 2 years, of having a poor transfer-market until now, a pathetic season for our standards... that and many other things are not just my opinion my lady. Those are facts, like it or not.
Posted by: Tennie Jun 19 2008, 06:39 PM
Season results? Okay, you've got a couple of facts there. the status of the transfer season...that's opinion.
Just like it's my opinion that Zlatan is a complete ***** who goes missing in big games and you think he's the bestest thing ever.
Posted by: mishie Jun 19 2008, 06:39 PM
facts they may be put why do you feel it necessary to ram it down our throats in every post!! The past is the past and those point deficits are gone and we hope to be much closer this season, and for some of us this worship of all things Merda is beginning to wear a little thin!!
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Jun 19 2008, 06:43 PM
You guys have to rember this is a forum (freedom of speech is allowed within reason.) Yess at time Porty may say things in a way which can taken as harsh or cruel, but he hardly ever says anything far from the truth, or from the way he sees it.
Critising someone over their liking for a club is also uncalled for!
Not everyone is goin to be optimistic (in fact if it were - here would be kinda boring)
P.s. - What happened to the name Porty, Portikins?
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 19 2008, 06:58 PM
I do agree that it's unnecessary for him to constantly mention that Inter are better alot.. but I understand where he's coming from. Some people on this forum seem to just see Milan as the best team in the World, and no matter how little we acheive, it's seen as the greatets thing ever. It gets a little boring how there just seems a lack of passion on here, everything's always fine and okay. I think the management seems to be like that too, and I personally don't see it as a good thing.
Posted by: KillerMax Jun 19 2008, 07:05 PM
And who are these people exactly?
Posted by: mishie Jun 19 2008, 07:15 PM
I agree but those of us who are a little more optomistic don't go about are views in the same way....yes there are big problems but this is the first season they have become truly apparent it is a shock how we seem to have such little money but HE has been harking on the same stuff for 3 seasons so sooner or later it was bound to happen, i don't even believe he is a Milan fan (and i'm bound to be in trouble now!) but then again perhaps that just MY opinion
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 19 2008, 07:22 PM
I'm not going to name names, that's not a fair thing to do.
I wasn't necessarily saying you were one of those people, it was just your post that I happened to quote.
I have no problem with optimistic people, they're entitled to think what they want. If they think we'll iwn the league next season, that's their choice. But it's when people do the opposite of orty and go on and on and on about how we're the best - completely disregarding how we've done recently - is the annoying thing.
Posted by: mishie Jun 19 2008, 07:27 PM
I am 1 of those but not to the point of blindness!...yes i am concerned about the last couple of days and now believe the calciomercato could be over for us....but bear in mind i (and a few older members) can remember really dark days were a finish of 10th and 11th happened consecutively!!
Posted by: KillerMax Jun 19 2008, 07:27 PM
Use some secret language. I'll crack the code. Or maybe describe them without naming them? Like when Ancelotti called Sheva a traitor without really calling him a traitor...
Posted by: Portikins Jun 19 2008, 07:36 PM
I can say the exact same thing about YOU and some members of the forum (some in the admin too). People that for me... know **** about the club and still live in the early 90s when we ruled the world.
Maybe if some of you actually knew the italian language, culture, talked with them, participate in discussions about the club with people who go to San Siro every Sunday you'd have a different mentality. Not the "go soccerballs!" and "abbonamenti, forza milan" mentality.
But hey, yet again this is just my opinion.
Yet more offensive language removed. Someone has a potty mouth.
Posted by: mishie Jun 19 2008, 07:39 PM
I can say the exact same thing about YOU and some members of the forum (some in the admin too). People that for me... know sh!t about the club and still live in the early 90s when we ruled the world.
Maybe if some of you actually knew the italian language, culture, talked with them, participate in discussions about the club with people who go to San Siro every Sunday you'd have a different mentality. Not the "go soccerballs!" and "abbonamenti, forza milan" mentality.
But hey, yet again this is just my opinion.
oh my god....shows how little you know about me!!!
Posted by: Tennie Jun 19 2008, 07:42 PM
Gosh. This is getting close to the personal insult stage.
Why don't we all cool down a bit?
(I will note for the record that I do actually have friends who have been season ticket holders at the San Siro since they were kids. These people now take THEIR kids to the games. The kids like to laugh at my calabrese accent when I see them but I like to think that I'm not entirely ignorant of what actual season ticket holders are thinking. Especially since I actually make a point of asking about it on a regular basis).
Posted by: morgoth Jun 19 2008, 08:24 PM
I think there's nothing more to say, this is like the Mourinho debate, the problem is that you don't seem to be annoyed to hurt others opinion, and that's disrespect!!!
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jun 19 2008, 08:42 PM
I can say the exact same thing about YOU and some members of the forum (some in the admin too). People that for me... know **** about the club and still live in the early 90s when we ruled the world.
Maybe if some of you actually knew the italian language, culture, talked with them, participate in discussions about the club with people who go to San Siro every Sunday you'd have a different mentality. Not the "go soccerballs!" and "abbonamenti, forza milan" mentality.
But hey, yet again this is just my opinion.
Yet more offensive language removed. Someone has a potty mouth.
If you're really interested, I'm a distant relative of the former Milan player Pierlugi Orlandini so I'm not member of that group of people who don't know "italian language, culture,.."
No one's living in the past, and actually noone is making any bombastic statements that Milan is gonna rule or win everything...
Posted by: dst Jun 19 2008, 11:08 PM
Oh my Maldini, this is so ridiculous! How many times do we have to go through this? I personally have no problem with Porty. For what it's worth the way he expresses his opinions is, in my view, as edgy as R7's way is. But that does not even matter. What matters here is that you don't like his way... well, in that case, you can just ignore him! How simple is that? It's as simple as breathing really... I wish this is the last time this happens cause it has become more boring than watching paint dry...
*Though we should be that superior too in our relation with media, and this typical Galliani/Berlusconi/Braida talk just ridicules the club, make us feel bad and pathetic, make other club fans laugh at every quote they say, etc. And many, many other stuff.
I totally agree with this.
I certainly don't like Galliani's comments about our superiority and him constantly talking to the media about everything.
Crack this: A killer in here is a *****!
Posted by: morgoth Jun 20 2008, 12:18 AM
Actually Max, Carlo used the word traitor
Posted by: KillerMax Jun 20 2008, 12:47 AM
I know, but I remember he didn't call Sheva a traitor. It was indirect. Like it could have been anyone else though...
Posted by: Devillito Jun 20 2008, 04:20 AM
+1
I think we are all entitle to think as we saw fit.
Porty may sounds harsh but its not like he talked complete nonsense.
Optimistic hope is not in the same league with facts.
And like dst said, you dont like it, ignore it.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jun 20 2008, 05:21 AM
Well...I guess team vs club gets confused. When Porty says Milan sucks...I kinda figure he's talking about our team roster and not really the 209 year old institution. So I can't really say he rubs me the wrong way. And basically his point is, how can you say those 20 or so players are great, when they're not really delivering. It's really not the same as saying- I hate these bunch of players, so I hope they don't do well.
As far as the Italians go, well they're always going to complain about something right. Italians are like Indians.
They'll point the finger at everyone else. I mean, they complain about the club not investing money, but they won't take the trouble of making it to fill up the stadium, thus generating some revenue. But the truth is, when it comes down to it, they've all got red and black hearts, it just beats to a different tune. The management has as much got a political side to it as an economic. When was the last time a politician in the ruling party would come up and say..'We're f@cked, we screwed up, and there's no way out without subjecting ourself to some serious torture!'. Same thing!
I was there when we finished 10th and 11th, so I can kinda brace myself. It's not good news that we have no money,but it's news we have to accept. Not like any of us have got the cash to lay down and buy Silvio's shares.
Milan was Silvio's toy, his way of reaching to the common man. A political move, and perhaps it has served it's purpose to him?
Naah...I'm being ungracious. It's a bad time, this too will pass. I hope.
Posted by: zdrossoneri Jun 20 2008, 11:15 AM
Posted by: dst Jun 21 2008, 03:25 PM
Lazio have reportedly agreed on a deal with Boca Juniors to sign Palacio for E14m!! Palacio himself said he's ready to join Lazio...
That's a great move for Lazio!
Posted by: zdrossoneri Jun 21 2008, 05:31 PM
^^
yeah, a very good buy. i think barca wanted him too some time ago.
Posted by: rhy_A4 Jun 21 2008, 05:46 PM
yeah he was good in the WCC that goal in the final that we won
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 21 2008, 07:11 PM
I'm surprised it's taken him this long to leave Boca, he's been their 'next big thing' for a while now. Great move by Lazio.
Posted by: KillerMax Jun 21 2008, 07:27 PM
Didn't Lazio also buy Carrizo?
Posted by: Tennie Jun 21 2008, 07:34 PM
Yep, but there were work visa issues with him. I think those have been resolved, though.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jun 21 2008, 07:40 PM
Good for Lazio. They will be back on top (top 5-8) eventually..
Posted by: KillerMax Jun 21 2008, 07:42 PM
Well then Galliani's excuses about financial issues doesn't make sense to me. How can a team like Lazio outdo us in the market? Carrizo and Palacio are two truly great buys for Lazio. How can we not have the means to make the necessary reinforcements?
Posted by: morgoth Jun 21 2008, 10:45 PM
Lazio bought Carrizo last year and loaned him out because of some papers issues. Palacio have agreed now to move to Lazio, two weeks ago he said he prefers to wait for some other offers and prefers Spain to Italy ...
Posted by: KillerMax Jun 21 2008, 11:04 PM
And?
Posted by: morgoth Jun 21 2008, 11:47 PM
Carrizo will probably play at Lazio next year and Palacio is still waiting offers from Spain, which in my opinion should force the SS to look elsewhere, because it's clear he doesn't want to come the club ...
Anyhoo, Rocchi will be part of the Italian Olympics team while Galliani refused to release Bonera!
Posted by: morgoth Jun 23 2008, 04:30 PM
Despite being suspended for 16 months (cocaine positive) Francesco Flachi signed for Empoli. He'll play again on January 2009 so they already have their January signing
Posted by: morgoth Jun 24 2008, 03:31 PM
Here we go again ...
Palacio said he'll wait until 07/07 to male a decision! He wants more money and is waiting for Barcelona's offer
Posted by: morgoth Jun 25 2008, 05:14 PM
Mario Beretta is officially Lecce's new coach!
Posted by: KillerMax Jun 25 2008, 05:32 PM
And Lazio have signed Radu. Good for them.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jun 25 2008, 05:48 PM
Radu from Bundesliga?
Posted by: KillerMax Jun 25 2008, 06:06 PM
Stefan Radu from Dinamo.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jun 25 2008, 06:22 PM
Oh, that one. I don't know him...
Posted by: KillerMax Jun 25 2008, 06:34 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Radu He has potential, that's for sure.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 26 2008, 01:31 PM
Anybody know when the fixtures are released?
Posted by: Tennie Jun 26 2008, 02:04 PM
Usually sometime in August, I think.
Posted by: morgoth Jun 26 2008, 05:31 PM
Figo has renewed his contract for another year and the zebras have officially brought back Giovinco ...
Posted by: KillerMax Jun 28 2008, 01:45 AM
According to "reports", Quaresma and Lampard have both signed for Inter.
Posted by: zdrossoneri Jun 28 2008, 08:35 AM
Quaresma AND Lampard? 
someone tell me it's not true...
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Jun 28 2008, 10:39 AM
hmmm lampard for stankovic and queresma for figo those are really gud replacments
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jun 28 2008, 10:57 AM
inter always have good replacements, if not then they will have the best transfers .. In Italy, they are known as 'champions of the summer' ... Meaning they out-do everyone's summer mercato campaign.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jun 28 2008, 04:20 PM
Carlo Ancelotti, Milan's head coach has been given extra privileges this season, that wasn't available to him in the past, in planning for the team and interfering in the summer mercato.
Gazzetta dello Sports had an exclusive interview with him on matters that pertain to the market and the team for the coming season.
Q. Ancelotti, will Milan be with Ronaldinho tomorrow ?
Carlo: "We have not bought him yet, we are following the plan of Andiamoshi (have no idea what that is)."
Q. So the main goal is Ronaldinho ?
Carlo: "I have discussed with the management about this and also assessing the possibilities of buying forwards, I have transmitted my opinion and ideas to the upper management."
Q. You mean, you don't have a preference .. If it was Adebayor or Ronaldinho that arrived ?!
Carlo: "It would change the shape of the team, either we play with a 4-3-1-2, or we play in our classical set-up of which we know well the 4-3-2-1 the christmas tree, which we are most comfortable in implementing."
Q. It seems as though you are on the verge of playing with two strikers again, just like you did in the 2002-2003 season ?
Carlo: "Ohh, yes and everyone remembers what we achieved back then!"
Q. The Champions League and the Coppa Italia ?
Carlo: "Exactly, and that means that the fans have to be calm, the club and myself are working on making a competitive team of the highest order!"
Q. If you don't get a striker in the, level of Adebayor, will anything change ?
Carlo: "In that case we would play with three forwards. We would be concentrating on positioning deep in the field which will obviously mean a bigger strategy will have to be implemented while playing deep."
Q. On the occasion who will be the striker ? Pato, Inzaghi or Borriello ?
Carlo: "Inzaghi and Borriello have the ability to play on their own upfront. As they play on the basis of poaching only, while Pato doesn't."
Q. What does that mean ?
Carlo: "In simple terms Pato has to understand the role, he has to concentrate and learn a lot of things, he is still very young and I don't think he will have any problems with this."
Q. And will he do that ?
Carlo: "It is a matter of time only, and it is something logical, and he will do that I assure you of this!"
Q. And Kaka' will change his style of play ?
Carlo: "Kaka' is the best player in the world and what he does best is following his instinct and feelings. I am not going to change his position nor ask him to change his style!"
Q. And Seedorf ? Is there a problem with him playing behind the strikers ?
Carlo: "He is a very intelligent man and extremely useful as a player. Whether he plays behind the strikers or in the central midfield role, he wont face any problems either way."
Q. Let's talk about the other areas, what is your opinion on the midfield ?
Carlo: "It is solid and strong, we have the quantity and the technical ability. Emerson had gotten over his physical problems and will be a big helping hand, we got Flamini who was one of the best midfielders in the Champions League. He is a first class player and will be in good hands with us."
Q. Gourcuff moved to Borduex, did he loose the bet ?
Carlo: "There wasn't enough place for him to play, and in big teams like Milan there will always be such problems. From his stand point, it will be an important season at Borduex, he has to show consistency and continuity in his form and I will be following his progress."
Q. In defense, are you content with Zambrotta ?
Carlo: "He is a great fullback both on the left and right side, he is not young but he is very reliable. On the left we have Jankulovski and Favalli, and lets not forget Oddo who despite the bad season that he had is now getting prepared for the new season. We also have brought back Antonini who has been able to develop his abilities in a big way and can play in both defense and midfield, he is a good alternative."
Q. Milan are now leaning towards the Scudetto ?
Carlo: "This has no meaning to me now, what is important for me now is to succeed in spring on the success that we are having this summer."
Q. Of course, but do you believe in your luck in competing for the Scudetto ?
Carlo: "It is our first goal, we all have a desire to win it especially after failing to make the Champions League. We will fight on all fronts, in the league and in the UEFA cup, it is lower than what we wish to achieve but it is guaranteed, Milan will be champions at the end of the season!"
Gazzetta dello Sports
Posted by: han2503 Jun 28 2008, 06:01 PM
It's good to see Carlo's being positve about next season. Hopefully it's not just words like usual and they will actually show this on the pitch
Posted by: zdrossoneri Jun 28 2008, 07:31 PM
Is it reliable, what you have posted, R7?
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jun 28 2008, 10:59 PM
Do you not consider Gazzetta reliable
Posted by: Tennie Jun 28 2008, 11:18 PM
I found the article in Italian (on gazzetta's website)
The translation is good. The answer to the first question that's confused in the translation above should be 'We're going forward with our plans' .
Posted by: amancik Jun 29 2008, 12:00 AM
Catania has signed Nicolae Dica from Steaua Bucharest.
Posted by: Habitant Jun 29 2008, 12:16 AM
very good signing for them
Posted by: arivanjj Jun 29 2008, 12:17 AM
^^^ good signing for them!
we MUST win this Scudetto
Posted by: dst Jun 29 2008, 12:54 AM
Gazzetta has lost much credibility in my book over the past year. But I don't believe they'll ever become one of those newspapers that print fake interviews or... photoshopped images...
Posted by: han2503 Jun 29 2008, 10:43 AM
Nice little discreet dig right there
Posted by: morgoth Jun 29 2008, 12:44 PM
Was it the kaka/madrid thing?
Posted by: acid911 Jun 29 2008, 12:58 PM
Yup. The Spanish paper AS pulled it off.
Posted by: zdrossoneri Jun 29 2008, 01:07 PM
I don't really know... I'm asking you!
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jun 29 2008, 03:30 PM
Do you think I am that bored that I sit here for half an hr and translate something unreliable ?
Posted by: Tennie Jun 29 2008, 05:17 PM
Well, I consider Gazzetta to be the most reliable of the Italian dailies. It's not perfect, but it is far better than Tuttosport (except for Juve stuff) or Corriere (for Roma/Lazio stuff).
Plus, I like the horoscopes in Gazzetta.
Posted by: han2503 Jun 29 2008, 06:59 PM
Definately.
Btw Tennie, where did you get that picture of Ronaldo? It looks like a very large fan is in front of him
Posted by: Tennie Jun 29 2008, 07:03 PM
The picture is from UEFA.com. It's from the match report for Germany-Portugal. It's not a fan. It's him holding up his jersey (hard to see in the small version, easier to see in the big version).
Posted by: acid911 Jun 29 2008, 07:37 PM
C. Ronaldo looks pretty old in the picture. Looks almost like he's 42.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 29 2008, 08:42 PM
How was he to know how long it took you to translate. Man, he just asked you a simple question, no need to make a big deal out of it.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jun 29 2008, 09:50 PM
As it seems, Ronaldinho's imminent transfer to Milan could cause some problems in the club AC Milan, seeing as his arrival would make the competition for a first team selection fierce!
And the out of the several cases, there is the case of Clearance Seedorf. Whom feels under threat of this issue as he will loose his shirt and his starting place, and he is threatening a move away from San Siro if Dinho arrived, he said in a statement to the BBC: "If Ronaldinho comes to Milan, I will transfer away!"
Seedorf's position on this subject was always there, where he said not two months ago when Ronaldinho's name was constantly in the media, "Ronaldinho is a player we don't need, as we have several players who can play in that position."
The main reason behind Seedorf's displeasure on the subject, is that Ronaldinho's arrival could push his position on the field further towards midfield just behind Ronaldinho, a position which Seedorf dislikes and has since stated that he doesn't want to be fielded in that position, hence he doesn't want this competition. Seedorf insisted that Milan could do without Ronaldinho and consentrate more on other areas on the pitch which require investment. But he has no say in this senario as he is not have the privileges of the officials at the club, he said: " .. The coach and the management know exactly what we are in need of, players who can freshen up the team, I see the team and I see that Milan has other issues more important to deal with but I am not an official in the market .. "
BBC
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jun 29 2008, 10:22 PM
They are the people who make all the final decisions, from transfer policy to stadium redevelopment. Some have a genuine long-term affection for the club; others want to make a quick buck. Some are adored by fans, others despised. Some are crazy, others are not. But into which categories do Serie A’s money men fall?
The most famous ‘family’ club in Italy is probably Inter Milan, who have been previously owned by oil tycoon Angelo Moratti, from 1955-68. Since 1995, they have mainly been under the leadership of his son, Massimo.
An unassuming man, Moratti does all he can for the club, saying “I am convinced that every action I take is for the good of Interâ€, and has provided a massive transfer kitty for a huge selection of footballing masters: Vieri €38.8m, Ibrahimovic €28.8m, Ronaldo €21.83m, Toldo €21.83m, Crespo €20m – the list really does go on. However, the failure for a very long time to win either a Champions League or Scudetto, with what were probably the best strikers in the world, made Moratti unpopular with the Nerazzurri fans, and in particular the more radical Ultras.
Even going through 12 coaches in the space of nine years only brought about a solitary UEFA Cup success, and after a campaign by the Ultras, Moratti resigned in January 2004. He was to be replaced for two years by Giacinto Facchetti, an Inter legend from the Grande Inter era.
His return upon Facchetti’s death has seen Moratti get what he surely deserved: the Scudetto. The repercussions of Calciopoli meant that the 2005-06 Serie A title was awarded to Roberto Mancini’s men, and they haven’t stopped coming since. Moratti’s affection for the club has been the sole decision making factor under his presidency, and with his two children on the board of directors, Inter look set to stay in the family.
No account on club owners can fail to mention Silvio Berlusconi, owner of AC Milan since 1986. His ‘Media monopoly’ is a source for debate, but his position as Italy’s richest man is not. Berlusconi may not have sold any of his three Mediaset free-to-air television channels or his publishing company upon becoming Prime Minister of Italy, as he sees no need to, but he has ironically resigned as President of Milan due to the conflict of interests, and he is replaced by long-time friend Adriano Galliani.
As owner, he is a constant source of confusion for a significant portion of Milanisti. As leader of a centre-right political party, Popolo della Liberta, (People of Freedom), in coalition with a North Italian separatist, anti-south, anti-immigration party Lega Nord (Northern League), and Prime Minister of the country, it is understandable that some fans have a political or ideological cross to bear against Berlusconi.
However, if that same man ploughs money into the club to make it great, like he did in the 1980s in particular, wins Champions Leagues and Scudetti, and currently supplies you with the sublime talents of Kaka, Maldini, Nesta and Pirlo amongst others, it is an issue that can be brushed under the carpet for most.
Every major league has their share of trigger-happy club owners, but Serie A has more than most. When it comes to changing the coach 28 times in 17 years, (that’s an average spell of around 6 months), then I think Cagliari President Massimo Cellino deserves a mention here. Since becoming Chairman in 1991, Cellino is the epitome of the hot-headed, power mad owner who is never satisfied.
Spare a thought for Davide Ballardini. He became boss of Cagliari, for the second time, in December 2007, with the Rossoblu anchored to the foot of the table. The inexperienced coach from Ravenna then managed to lead his team to 32 points in the second half of the campaign, climbing to the dizzy heights of 14th by the season end. Had he proved himself to be the man Cellino had been looking for all this time?
Unfortunately not: On May 27, their lack of a contractual agreement meant that they ‘parted company’. The new boss, or latest managerial victim, will be the even less experienced Massimiliano Allegri, who just won promotion from Serie C1 with Sassuolo.
Another man with a penchant for firing coaches is Palermo’s Maurizio Zamparini. Coach for the first half of last season Francesco Guidolin famously said “By now, Zamparini's words enter my head in one ear and go out the other," as the club owner continued to be critical of his coach.
Not averse to causing controversy, he has racially attacked Romanians after an incident involving Adrian Mutu, claimed he wanted to sign Del Piero, before pointing out that the club could never afford it, and promised on many occasions to sell the club due to being exasperated with the whole experience. Disappointed with the clubs league form, he has even rooted for the other team: “I hope West Ham knocks us out of the UEFA Cup, otherwise I am sure we will lose again on Sunday against Chievo. This team cannot compete in two different tournaments and I honestly could not care less about the UEFA Cupâ€.
Finally, amongst the Palermo faithful, he is the man who allowed Luca Toni to join Fiorentina for just £7 million, something that they rue more every season as Il Bomber goes from strength to strength. Then more recently, he sold current stars, Amauri, Barzagli, Zaccardo and Rinaudo. Although this season sees the arrival of Marco Amelia and Fabio Liverani, the decision to cash-in on so many important players, and the lack of enough quality replacements will surely back-fire for Zamparini.
The world of club presidents, owners and chairmen in Serie A make for a hugely colourful and varied environment, especially for the neutrals. If you’re a coach on the other hand, job security is something of a luxury, and if you’re a fan, its pot luck as to whether you end up with a crazed despot, a free-spending club fanatic, or anything in between.
Goal.com
A real interesting read .. Enjoy
Posted by: Tennie Jun 29 2008, 10:48 PM
The Seedorf story is badly quoted/translated and very much sensationalized. He did not say he wanted away from Milan and did not threaten to leave if Ronaldinho came.
EDIT: What Seedorf actually said was this:
AC Milan midfielder Clarence Seedorf is still hoping to play in the Premier League before he ends his career.
The 32-year-old Dutchman has played for Ajax, Sampdoria, Real Madrid and Inter Milan, and has been linked with a move to Arsenal in the past.
But speaking to BBC London 94.9 Seedorf said: "I'd always love to come and play in the Premier League, but things just don't happen like that.
"I've never touched the Premier League yet, but let's say you never know."
Seedorf added: "Opportunities come and go, when I was close to coming to England with Manchester United or Arsenal when I was at Sampdoria I went to Real Madrid.
For now I'm in Italy and I'm always following with a very special eye the movements in the Premier League because at the moment it's an example for everybody
"You cannot be everywhere, I've been playing in Spain and Italy. For now I'm in Italy and I'm always following with a very special eye the movements in the Premier League because at the moment it's an example for everybody."
Seedorf was not part of the Netherlands squad at Euro 2008, and has instead dedicated much of his summer to humanitarian work including the Goal4Africa campaign.
He has organised a benefit match at Bayern Munich's Allianz Arena on 12 July to bring together some of the world's best footballers for the Global Kick Off Event.
Seedorf explained: "I've talked to John Terry and he was very keen. Andrei Shevchenko said yes already, Michael Essien, Didier Drogba, Steven Gerrard, but Ryan Babel unfortunately got injured.
"Sergio Ramos, Andrea Pirlo, Gennaro Gatuso and Alessandro Nesta are all very keen to come. We know of course there are responsibilities for their teams, as they all have to train. So I'm also asking all the coaches at all the clubs to help free the players to come and play this match and help this project and make a difference for a lot of kids."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/7478420.stm to BBC article.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/player/sol/newsid_7470000/newsid_7478400?redirect=7478499.stm&news=1&bbwm=1&nbram=1&bbram=1&nbwm=1 to video of interview.
R7, I think you've got a bad source there -- or is it goal misquoting BBC?
Posted by: Tennie Jun 30 2008, 02:09 PM
Hrm. Transfer sagas going on in Italy.
Christian Vieri has signed a 1 year contract with Atalanta -- despite vocal protests by Atalanta fans AGAINST his return to Bergamo.
The zebras have announced the signing of Dario Knezevic from Livorno...but Toro are the ones who've deposited his contract with Lega Calcio. Looks like Turin's got its own version of the Suazo saga this year.
Daniele De Rossi has extended his contract with AS Roma (no great surprise there).
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jun 30 2008, 09:30 PM
Well, it was from the BBC Arabic website .. so .. But then again, I wouldn't be surprised, as the British press are notorious at bringing up headlines in football!
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jun 30 2008, 09:38 PM
Abiatti has spoken of the market and of Ronaldinho, giving a thumbs up to the management for considering such a world class player. He also says that he's motivated and ready for the new season, after signing for Milan 10 years ago.
Posted by: Tennie Jun 30 2008, 09:40 PM
^^ link?
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jun 30 2008, 09:41 PM
http://site.acmilanclub.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=14838
Quoted from Sky Italia
Posted by: Tennie Jun 30 2008, 09:52 PM
Thanks, R7.
Posted by: Tennie Jul 1 2008, 03:34 PM
Palermo have signed Davide Lanzafame from Bari. Lanzafame was rather good in the Toulon (U23) tournament. Good buy for Palermo.
Posted by: Kaka Is Brilliant Jul 1 2008, 03:42 PM
Maybe so, but for the Serie A they couldn't care less our conference division gets far more publicity than the Italian League...
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 1 2008, 05:38 PM
It was from the BBC, which in my book is a very reliable source in terms of financial and political news ... But Tennie thinks the quotes are fabricated, so I just spoke in general
Posted by: Tennie Jul 1 2008, 05:41 PM
BBC is GREAT for political/financial news. Personally, I think they're the best in the world at that sort of thing.
For sport, on the other hand....not so much.
In the case of the Seedorf interview, what is quoted from the BBC Arabic site isn't even close to the interview (of which there's a video link, so we know what was actually said) on the BBC English site. Not sure why that happened.
Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 1 2008, 07:24 PM
There's something wrong with this guy, or he just has this thing for me. I couldn't care less.
Posted by: Kaka Is Brilliant Jul 1 2008, 10:01 PM
Didn't say it was unreliable or 'fabricated'
Just that you said they make things up which is true in cases but usually they don't give the Serie A the light of day, no one seems to care about it here
Posted by: Tennie Jul 1 2008, 10:07 PM
They don't care about it here either, Ash. The newsreaders can't even pronounce easy names right during games (or maybe 'pirlo' is a lot harder than i thought).
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 1 2008, 10:35 PM
The newsreaders can't even pronounce easy names right during games (or maybe 'pirlo' is a lot harder than i thought).Motty pronounces Pirlo 'Pir-ee-oh'. Very unusual i thought.
Talking of Motty, he's retired from commentating on international games.
Posted by: Tennie Jul 1 2008, 10:41 PM
Ohno!I like Motty! He's my favorite English-speaking match commentator!
Posted by: acid911 Jul 2 2008, 12:56 AM
Motty as in John Motson? Or someone else?
If so, he's one of the very few commentators I like.
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Jul 2 2008, 12:59 AM
oh has he retired he was really gud i remeber him in france 98 game as well he was really gud
Posted by: Kaka Is Brilliant Jul 2 2008, 03:35 AM
If so, he's one of the very few commentators I like.Yep, John Motson!
Posted by: Habitant Jul 2 2008, 04:03 AM
more bs, i have decided to reject this information because it doesn't satisfy my insecurities, oh wait... thats normally you
Posted by: Tennie Jul 2 2008, 12:58 PM
In news that may be of interest to those who follow the Croatian national team, Torino have made an offer to Ivan Klasnic.
He's apparently got offers from some German clubs (including Hamburg and Hertha Berlin) and some English clubs (West Ham and Fulham).
I'd love to see him in Serie A. (The fish doll suspects he may go to Hamburg, however, where Ivica Olic plays).
Posted by: Tennie Jul 2 2008, 06:49 PM
hsm. Samp are apparently working on a loan deal for one Andrij Shevchenko, late of Chelsea Football Club.
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Jul 2 2008, 06:52 PM
i dont think that will happen if we was going on loan than milan would have got him quite a time ago
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 2 2008, 06:56 PM
Andry Shevchenko reappearance in the Italian news after being frozen out of the Italian headlines for far too long, after leaving for Chelsea not two seasons ago here he is now being linked back to Italy and Milan to be precise.
His agent Claudio Pasqualine talked to 'Siamo Tutti Ct' over 'Radio Kiss Kiss' about Sheva's future: "I believe in the possibility of Shevhcenko's return to Italia, but it is important that we wait for a longer period. It is possible that Abramovic might step down from his demands and let him go on loan for free. Sampdoria have shown their interest in him recently, but I think there is only one club in Italy that can afford Shevchenko's wages and that is Milan. I believe that Abramovic will finally open the door and let Sheva leave."
He also talked about his other client, Abate whom Milan had just bought his full rights from Empoli: "Abate to Torino ? The club found the agreement, today will be the day which we discuss the contract and I think everything will go on smoothly."
Posted by: Tennie Jul 2 2008, 07:00 PM
(Typo above, R7. It's 'Abate', not 'Abati'.)
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Jul 2 2008, 07:03 PM
hmmm Sheva back with R10 will be gr8 to me but only sheva is no gud actully i dont want him in italy other than milan
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 2 2008, 07:15 PM
Ty
Posted by: acid911 Jul 2 2008, 07:52 PM
Gee, thank you!
He was a listener.Very true.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 2 2008, 07:59 PM
Imagine Pato, Sheva, Kaka', Ronaldinho.. At their best, those 4 could be amazing. Trouble is, 2 of them are past their best by the looks of it.
Posted by: Tennie Jul 2 2008, 09:06 PM
The fish doll gives R7's source (is it the ac milan club site in arabic that always posts good clips on youtube?) a cookie.
The sheva thingy is only just being picked up in the italian print media.
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Jul 2 2008, 09:12 PM
Posted by: amancik Jul 3 2008, 07:44 AM
Just by looking at their names is like watching The Grudge, to actually see their faces in a line-up is like watching The Grudge in 3D glasses.
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