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Posted by: Jack Bauer May 24 2012, 03:29 PM
Boss Mano Menezes has selected a 23-man party which will have to be cut down to 18 ahead of the tournament itself.
Defender Thiago Silva has been included as one of his three permitted over-23 players, while Pato is still young enough to make the natural cut.
The squad will play a series of friendly matches over the next two weeks against Denmark, America and Mexico.
Brazil will face Egypt, Belarus and New Zealand at the London games as they aim for Olympic Gold.
Posted by: han2503 May 24 2012, 03:40 PM
If you want to look at the silver lining, if Pato gets injured he'll get looked at by some decent doctors...
Posted by: Jack Bauer May 24 2012, 03:44 PM
BTW, this is the only (relatively) big tournament Brazil have never won.
Posted by: kurtsimonw May 24 2012, 06:07 PM
Really interested to see what the GB squad will be. Ideally Scotland/Wales decide to allow their players to take part, they have some good young talent who would make the squad.
Posted by: Zed.D May 24 2012, 06:14 PM
I don't remember Pato getting injured while playing for Brazil, it's always happened with Milan as far as my memory serves me. it'll be interesting to see what happens this time around.
I bet he will go through all the games no problem, then next season in his 3rd game for Milan he will pull a muscle and miss 2 months. 
Anyway, can't see Brazil winning it. maybe Spain.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 3 2012, 12:23 AM
No players that played at the Euros were going to be selected, so this is a pretty decent squad considering.
J Allen (Swansea), C Bellamy (Liverpool), R Bertrand (Chelsea), J Butland (Birmingham), S Caulker (Tottenham), T Cleverley (Manchester United), J Cork (Southampton), C Dawson (West Brom), R Giggs (Manchester United), A Ramsey (Arsenal), M Richards (Manchester City), D Rose (Tottenham), S Sinclair (Swansea), M Sordell (Bolton), J Steele (Middlesbrough), D Sturridge (Chelsea), N Taylor (Swansea), J Tomkins (West Ham)
---------------- Butland
Richards - Tomkins - Caulker - Taylor
---- Cleverley - Ramsey - Giggs
--- Sturridge - Bellamy - Sinclair
Front 6 is pretty good considering. Shame there's no Scottish or N.Irish representation, Bannan would've been a good selection in my opinion, not too sure of the N.Irish team though. Bale getting injured will hurt too. Overrated, but he's more than good enough for an U23 tournement.
Posted by: dst Jul 3 2012, 01:28 AM
How do you feel about Beckham not been included?
Argghhh! Please no.
Posted by: acid911 Jul 3 2012, 07:27 AM
Shame, really.
Damn shame, in fact.Argghhh! Agreed.
Though I am cautiously hopeful Spain won't win the gold this time. Let's see! I'll of course watch the football games just for Pato and Silva.
Posted by: Zed.D Jul 3 2012, 07:52 AM
J Allen (Swansea), C Bellamy (Liverpool), R Bertrand (Chelsea), J Butland (Birmingham), S Caulker (Tottenham), T Cleverley (Manchester United), J Cork (Southampton), C Dawson (West Brom), R Giggs (Manchester United), A Ramsey (Arsenal), M Richards (Manchester City), D Rose (Tottenham), S Sinclair (Swansea), M Sordell (Bolton), J Steele (Middlesbrough), D Sturridge (Chelsea), N Taylor (Swansea), J Tomkins (West Ham)
---------------- Butland
Richards - Tomkins - Caulker - Taylor
---- Cleverley - Ramsey - Giggs
--- Sturridge - Bellamy - Sinclair
Front 6 is pretty good considering. Shame there's no Scottish or N.Irish representation, Bannan would've been a good selection in my opinion, not too sure of the N.Irish team though. Bale getting injured will hurt too. Overrated, but he's more than good enough for an U23 tournement.
Seriously??
Btw, why wasn't Lampard selected? is he still injured?
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 3 2012, 11:21 AM
Awful decision. He worked hard to help us get the Olympics and it's not like Olympic football even matters.
Yes. It's a Britain and NI team, so I'd have liked there to be representation from all 4 nations.
I'm guessing he's injured/Chelsea refused.
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Jul 3 2012, 05:25 PM
Stupid decision just Pearce trying to get in the media... again. And to showcase himself as a 'no nonsense' manager - in the Olympics? Good job 'Psycho'
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 4 2012, 05:21 AM
Agreed. It'd be like Balotelli causing trouble and Mancini 'putting his foot down' by not playing him in pre-season friendlies.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Jul 24 2012, 01:16 PM
Rafael is injured so Gabriel was called up instead of him.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 24 2012, 01:36 PM
GB are going to be bad in this. If we get out of the groups, we'll definitely go out next round.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Jul 24 2012, 01:52 PM
It's a weak competition (too many bullshit teams, they should really rethink this egalitarian split between continents) with little star power. Besides Brazil, Spain and maybe Uruguay you have nothing to worry about.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 24 2012, 02:10 PM
And we're in Uruguay's group! Mexico have a decent side and the Swiss are always underrated. Shame Seigrist won't get to play in goal for the Swiss.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Jul 24 2012, 02:14 PM
So what? GB and Uruguay gonna qualify easily from this group. You are the third best team on paper in this tournament IMO.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 24 2012, 02:16 PM
I think you're overrating us a bit. We'll finish 2nd in our group. I thought we were matched up with Brazil's group for some reason, so we do have a chance of beating Mexico but I'm not sure we will. In the SFs whoever we play will beat us convicingly.
We're 4th/5th with Mexico, home advantage may give us the edge.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Jul 24 2012, 02:20 PM
I think you underrate them. I might agree about Uruguay (50-50) but you are certainly better than Mexico.
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Jul 24 2012, 05:58 PM
Not really bothered by this, don't even think of GB as my team to be honest in a footballing sense.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 24 2012, 06:26 PM
Obviously I'd be happy if we win it, but I agree, it's not the same. Just a novelty thing.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Jul 26 2012, 04:44 PM
First upset: Spain lost to Japan 1-0.
Posted by: CHU-LIP Jul 26 2012, 04:48 PM
Yuki Otsu scored, Inigo Martinez got red, all in first half.
Japan were wasteful. Deserved victory.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 26 2012, 08:00 PM
No sheepers singing the anthem. 
Come on GB!
Posted by: William405 Jul 26 2012, 08:15 PM
3-0!Get Pato in!
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 26 2012, 08:19 PM
Bellamy!
Posted by: William405 Jul 26 2012, 09:19 PM
3-2..
Posted by: acid911 Jul 26 2012, 09:21 PM
Egypt stuffing Brazil. 
Posted by: Zed.D Jul 26 2012, 09:24 PM
And no Pato yet? damn you Menezes!
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 26 2012, 09:29 PM
No penalty or red for that? For real? 
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 26 2012, 09:39 PM
No matter the tournement, no matter our 'name'. We'll get fucked.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 26 2012, 09:53 PM
FT 1-1.
We clearly won the football side of things. Sengal destroyed us in karate though.
EDIT: Jesus, that foul is worse everytime I see it IOC/FIFA/whoever's in control has to suspend that player for the rest of the tournement. Get this animal out of here.
Posted by: dst Jul 26 2012, 10:22 PM
YESU!!!! NIPPON RURES!!!
Was it that bad? Do you have a gif or a video link?
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 26 2012, 10:29 PM
Twitter seems to have changed their video/picture gallery thing so can't find one right now.
And yes, it was very bad. Bellamy was lucky to not only continue, but to be able to walk. 2 footed straight in at his knee. A slight twist of a angle, a stud getting caught and his career's done. What makes it worse is that the player that did it already could've been sent off, he's made 3/4 very poor fouls at that point. How he lasted the game I'll never know.
2nd rate football competition. 2nd rate officiating is all I can say.
Posted by: dst Jul 26 2012, 10:35 PM
At his knee??? I was expecting to read shin!!
2nd rate officiating is the norm everywhere, it's the one of the reasons why I find football hard to watch these days.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 26 2012, 10:47 PM
Going through every 'Bellamy' related pic on twitter so will update when I get a better one, this seems to be the only pic I can find.
Even in that pic you can see his right leg shouldn't be bent in that way.
Posted by: dst Jul 26 2012, 10:49 PM
thanks!
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 27 2012, 02:57 PM
Not a foul though.
Giggs has made a complain about the way Senegal play. Serious lack of protection from the ref and that is his most important job.
Posted by: Zed.D Jul 27 2012, 04:02 PM
How did he not injure his knee? what a vicious challenge. is it the scene you were talking about being a penalty?
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 27 2012, 05:20 PM
Yeah. Even if he didn't give a penalty (as you can see it's very close to the line) a red card is minimum, seeing as the guy was already carded.
Posted by: Zed.D Jul 27 2012, 06:01 PM
I'm assuming he got the ball first?
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 27 2012, 06:08 PM
No, he was incredibly late. Bellamy put a cross in before having that happen to him.
http://www.wawsport.com/full-match/great-britain-1-1-senegal-full-match-video_a3b9319df.html - Go to the 2nd video and to the 26:30 mark. It gets worse every time I see it.
Posted by: Zed.D Jul 27 2012, 06:34 PM
You were robbed of a penalty and a red card for them. crazy.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 27 2012, 09:03 PM
See, I'm not some crazy complainer ALL the time. 
Posted by: han2503 Jul 29 2012, 04:12 PM
Currently watching the Brazil game, Neymar has got to be the most annoying and abnoxious player around right now. Blehh 
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Jul 29 2012, 04:32 PM
USA seemed to play the worst I've seen them for a while, yet still crushed France - great stuff.
Good to see GB get on the medals table finally too.
Posted by: drucurl Jul 29 2012, 04:47 PM
Is it me or is Brazil trying to play like Spain
Posted by: William405 Jul 29 2012, 05:01 PM
He was the reason Brazil won..great goal,and assist.The thing I didn't understand is not why not pass the ball to Pato...he's supposed to be the focal point of the team.He got only one chance in the match,and slotted in.
Posted by: han2503 Jul 29 2012, 05:12 PM
Yes he scored the goal, but everything in between was sub-par, egotistic, selfish and self-serving.
His little dribbles and lobs are just ridiculous.
Yeah, I also noticed how Pato is seemingly ignored when he's in good positions. The rest of that Brazil team is very average though
Posted by: William405 Jul 29 2012, 05:22 PM
His little dribbles and lobs are just ridiculous.
Yeah, I also noticed how Pato is seemingly ignored when he's in good positions. The rest of that Brazil team is very average though
He also lost the ball a lot!(Neymar).Yeah,I don't understand the hype about lots of Brazilian players..such as Hulk.But,I guess I can't judge from 1 match as well(although,I've seen the egypt match too).
Posted by: William405 Jul 29 2012, 05:29 PM
DP
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 29 2012, 08:02 PM
Giggs! 1-0 GB!
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 29 2012, 08:13 PM
Spain 0-1 Hondouras after 30 mins.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 29 2012, 09:02 PM
1-1 GB. Complete dominance ruined by having Tomkins in our defense, don't think I've seen a player with less pace.
Posted by: milanbuf88 Jul 29 2012, 09:09 PM
Complete dominance? Not even close. UAE has been giving GB problems with their pace on the counter all game.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 29 2012, 09:14 PM
Eh? That's about the first time UAE touched the ball in the 2nd half.
Anyways, deservedly back in front. Sinclair's first touch.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 29 2012, 09:17 PM
DANNY BOY! 3-1!
Posted by: Zed.D Jul 29 2012, 09:18 PM
The seemingly crap teams like UAE, Japan, Honduras giving the big ones all sorts of trouble. 
It'll be nice to see Spain crash out.
EDIT: ignore what I just said about UAE.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 29 2012, 09:24 PM
Yeah, bad timing Zeddie.
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Jul 29 2012, 09:24 PM
Team GB 'big'? Damn, we've done well in our collective 2 game modern history (1 L, 1 D - 1 of which was a friendly)
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 29 2012, 09:26 PM
No team has more gold medals in mens Olympics football than us though.
Amazingly Brazil never have won gold.
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Jul 29 2012, 09:29 PM
Yeah, though when we won those dinosaurs were still roaming the earth.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 29 2012, 09:34 PM
FT 3-1. GB need a draw against Uruguay to go through. It's not the winning that matters through, it's kicking Suarez' teeth out.
Posted by: Zed.D Jul 29 2012, 09:38 PM
My point remains valid though
It's relatively big compared to the likes of UAE and Gabon.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 29 2012, 09:39 PM
Spain out, 7 yellow cards in todays game. Enjoy your flight home.
Posted by: Zed.D Jul 29 2012, 09:39 PM
Are Spain out? can I begin the celebration?
EDIT: bad timing again. anyway... YES!! I'd predicted they're win the gold medal, good to be proven wrong sometimes.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Jul 29 2012, 10:15 PM
Wow, who would have predicted that Spain won't pass this kinda group? It's Brazil's to lose now.
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Jul 31 2012, 05:39 PM
So Spain don't get success without Xavi & Iniesta - interesting
Posted by: Zed.D Aug 1 2012, 04:57 PM
Is anyone surprised that Pato has not got injured with Brazil yet??
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 1 2012, 04:58 PM
Isn't he supposed to be fixed now?
Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 1 2012, 06:48 PM
Got tickets for the GB women's team against Canada in the football QFs for Friday.
Finally gave in and bought the shirt too, too lovely not to.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 1 2012, 09:43 PM
GB 1-0 Uruguay. GB through, Uruguay out.
Spain 0-0 Morrocco. Spain out without a win.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Aug 1 2012, 09:48 PM
Told you were better.. Right now it's between GB and Brazil, with the latter as favorites.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 1 2012, 09:50 PM
Are all those teams better than Spain then? That's not how football, or sports in general, work.
Successful tournement for us now whatever happens. Now way should a pretty much B team who've never really played with each other go this far. A medal would be amazing. South Korea in the QFs I think.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Aug 1 2012, 09:57 PM
No, but you were one of the favorites from the get go, it's not like many other teams brought world class players. There are always surprises but GB getting far is not in any way shocking IMO. It's a pretty weak tournament overall.
Posted by: Habitant Aug 1 2012, 10:44 PM
Finally gave in and bought the shirt too, too lovely not to.
should be a good match
watch out for sinclair and tancredi 
Posted by: acid911 Aug 2 2012, 07:49 AM
I guess the answer to that will wait his return to Milan.
I really do hope he is, though.
Posted by: Zed.D Aug 2 2012, 09:05 AM
Who knows? that's what they say but the fact is, Pato has never had these muscle problems when he's been away with Brazil. they re-appear as soon as he comes to Milan.
It's clear where the real problem is (/was) and it's affecting the likes of KPB as well. unless we see positive changes next season, but I'm not holding my breath.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 3 2012, 09:16 PM
Canada organised, quick and strong. GB really skilful but no organisation at all. 2 superb goals from Canada. Refereeing in women's football even worse, at the end one of ours literally kicked to the floor and nothing, Canada definitely deserves the win though.
Posted by: Habitant Aug 3 2012, 09:30 PM
agreed but i felt it was both ways, at one point mdiway through the 2nd half there were easily 3 fouls in a row that should have been called in our favor that werent.
canada plays usa next
btw will you be supporting murray?
Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 3 2012, 10:17 PM
canada plays usa next
btw will you be supporting murray?
Yeah the officiating was bad, not biased, just bad.
USA should win, but shocks happen.
Yeah, I've actually been supporting him all tournement!
Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 4 2012, 10:20 PM
So we're a QF team, as I expected.
Posted by: amancik Aug 4 2012, 10:22 PM
GB got 3 gold medals in athletics today.
Posted by: Zed.D Aug 6 2012, 10:12 PM
There is much less diving and injury faking in women's football. shame on the male footballers!
Disgraceful referring in the Canada-USA game. the ref made sure the US get a goal to make it 3-3.
Posted by: Habitant Aug 6 2012, 10:23 PM
Posted by: Habitant Aug 6 2012, 10:25 PM
no surprise... sinclair was a beast but at the end of the day the canadian keeper just wasnt very good... not the greatest reach when goals go over them in the middle of the goal...
Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 7 2012, 02:22 AM
Referee single handedly won US that game.
But Alex Morgan 
Posted by: Habitant Aug 7 2012, 05:40 AM
But Alex Morgan
haha i thought the same
she scires the winner and my first thought was: "faaaaack" , my 2nd was "dayum shes pretty fine' lolllllllllllll
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Aug 7 2012, 07:45 AM
I think I've found the NT to support from now on! Forget Italy and Germany and all that. Yoo-Ess-Eyyyyy!!!!
Posted by: Zed.D Aug 7 2012, 10:12 PM
So Pato again gets only a few minutes to play when Brazil were winning 3-0 and didn't bother to attack anymore.
**** Menezes. 
I really don't care for this Brazil beside Pato (and to a lesser extent Thiago) but if that's all he's going to get in the final as well then I hope they lose! I'm also trying hard not to dislike Damaio for being Menezes' preference but honestly, his goals are simple and easy, nothing spectacular that Pato can't do.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Aug 11 2012, 04:33 PM
Mexico owning Brazil
Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 11 2012, 04:40 PM
Mexico's defense has been awesome. Pato came on in about the 70th minute, barely touched the ball.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 11 2012, 04:49 PM
Hulk, 2-1.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 11 2012, 04:52 PM
Awful miss from 5 yards in the dying seconds from Brazil. Mexico win.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Aug 11 2012, 04:57 PM
Oscar could have been a nationa hero..
It's amazing that Brazil is sill without a gold in olympic football. They always mess up somehow.
Posted by: acid911 Aug 11 2012, 04:59 PM
+∞.
Ganso and Pato on the bench, deserved slap on his round - and very slapable - face!
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 11 2012, 05:30 PM
Ganso and Pato on the bench, deserved slap on his round - and very slapable - face!Oscar and Damiao have been really good for Brazil, so there's nothing wrong that he didn't play Ganso and Pato from the start.
Posted by: acid911 Aug 11 2012, 05:52 PM
I know, but I don't know if you too can see it as clearly as I do, both the names you mentioned don't have that extra coating of class that separates a good player from great. At least not now, they don't.
Hence they're good against okay teams, but stumble against quality ones. And Mexico was quality.I dreaded the moment I found out that Brazil would be playing them in the final. Hence I gave them 50-50 for today's match. Following the Brazil NT for decades, I practically have a sixth sense telling me which match they'll lose and which ones they'll win.
I did not have a good feeling for today's final, at all.And to think this is pretty much the best squad Brazil has put up for Olympics, in say all time. Heartbreak.
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 11 2012, 11:06 PM
Ganso and Pato both played regularly in the Coppa America two years ago, and we all know how that ended. Besides, say what you want, but Oscar and Damiao are in much better shape than the other two, so playing them instead was only natural.
Posted by: Zed.D Aug 12 2012, 09:27 AM
From what I've seen, Neymar was behind most of what Brazil did in attack in this tournament. without him Brazil would've have probably ended up like two years ago.
Anyway, I'm glad all three of them flopped in the final and couldn't win it for Brazil.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 12 2012, 10:50 AM
Oscar didn't start this one as well you know?
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 12 2012, 08:29 PM
Oh, actually I didn't watch it. Just a friend of mine told me he was Brazil's best player in the game.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 12 2012, 10:56 PM
In the Final? For Brazil it had to be Hulk. Only player that did anything.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 12 2012, 11:24 PM
I heard Gabriel looked rather poor throughout the tournament.
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 13 2012, 12:43 AM
I read that he did one mistake in the third group stage game, which didn't cost Brazil anything, but that Menezes chose him as the starter because he thought Gabriel gave more security to the team than the other keeper. Don't know about his performances throughout the tournament, though.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Aug 13 2012, 10:27 PM
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Posted by: Zed.D Aug 14 2012, 10:16 AM
Posted by: Danny Aug 18 2012, 08:28 PM
Ha, like saying all Scotsmen eat in McDonalds
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