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Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Jul 20 2014, 03:41 PM
New thread for the upcoming Italian Serie A 2014-15 season.
Posted by: Danny Jul 20 2014, 07:06 PM
Roma have to be joint favourites with Juve for this season.
I couldn't even guess where Milan will finish.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jul 20 2014, 08:56 PM
Juve still the clear favorite, but much will depend on the mercato. I wouldn't count Inter out as well. This Conte thing a Vidal, Pogba even Pirlo leaving would bring certainly more balance into the league.
Posted by: Danny Jul 20 2014, 09:09 PM
Juve under Conte were Inter under Jose. He made them.
Without him they'll be a shadow of their old selves IMO.
Posted by: X-Offender Jul 20 2014, 09:54 PM
Without him they'll be a shadow of their old selves IMO.
Without Conte and with Allegri I might add.
Posted by: Danny Jul 20 2014, 10:07 PM
They could have replaced him with anyone and I think it would have weakened them. However it's Han's claim they'll win the league anyway...no matter who the boss is...
Posted by: han2503 Jul 21 2014, 09:34 AM
Agreed
Without him they'll be a shadow of their old selves IMO.
This is exactly what I've said about them in the past, but now? Their team is set, they have a great side from front to back, unless they lose any of the components, they'll win the league
Because they do still have the best squad in the league. Roma are a very talented side, but still, this Juve is a machine. So unless Allegri really puts some MAJOR wrenches in the Juve cog, they will win the league this time around as well. I'm sure it won't be by the same margin because they won't be as efficient under Allegri as they were under Conte, but they will win it
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 21 2014, 11:58 AM
Inter haven't done enough in terms of transfers to compete. They have bags of talent in midfield and Icardi with another year behind him will continue to improve, but Juve, Roma and Napoli are still better sides.
If Vidal leaves it could open things up a bit, but if he stays then it'll be Juve.
Posted by: Danny Jul 21 2014, 09:30 PM
So Juve's big signing so far this window is Evra. A 34 year old LB. They've added Allegri now Evra. No wonder their fans are worried.
Posted by: X-Offender Jul 21 2014, 11:51 PM
Morata?
Posted by: Danny Jul 22 2014, 12:34 AM
Meh.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jul 22 2014, 07:04 AM
Could signing Evra mean one of the 4 CB will leave? Because all of Chiellini, Barzagli, Bonucci and Ogbonna will be in for first team football or at least some extended run. Also, I wouldn't mind us getting Caceres.
Posted by: han2503 Jul 22 2014, 11:51 AM
Just for some comedy to brighten your days
Evra will be getting 3.5m at Juve 
Morata already out injured for 50 days with knee ligament problems
The Allegri effect at it's best on that last bit of news
Posted by: Danny Jul 22 2014, 03:47 PM
Shouldn't you be blaming MilanLab?
Posted by: Jack Bauer Jul 22 2014, 04:13 PM
Maybe we should have a coppa thread?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtJyNkBCMAA-bGh.png:large
Posted by: han2503 Jul 22 2014, 05:33 PM
We've never had the amount of injuries before as we did under Allegri, which reached epic proportions at one point.
We can talk about Milan lab all we want but training methods, diet, etc all have an effect. I'm just glad to see he's taken some of the staff he had with us over to Juve
Posted by: X-Offender Jul 22 2014, 05:37 PM
Cost 'em €20 million.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 22 2014, 06:38 PM
Nah, clearly Max was head physio at Milan and is again at Juve.
Posted by: Danny Jul 24 2014, 02:07 AM
And he woulda got away with it too had it not been for those pesky kids.
Posted by: X-Offender Jul 25 2014, 05:57 PM
So, Juventus lost 3-2 to some Sunday league team in their first friendly. Go go Max!
Posted by: han2503 Jul 25 2014, 06:09 PM
Let's not laugh at them just yet, considering where we are and all
I think they'll start the season slowly, which could be where Roma really take a strong hold on the league since they're usually good starters
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 25 2014, 10:35 PM
I wonder how many 11 v 11 training games, without a referee, get made fun of here? Or is it only when Allegri is in charge? 
Posted by: X-Offender Jul 25 2014, 11:55 PM
I never lose an opportunity to make fun of Allegri. Never.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 26 2014, 01:11 AM
You are consistant, I'll give you that.
Posted by: Bluesummers Jul 26 2014, 03:52 AM
Posted by: han2503 Jul 26 2014, 08:56 AM
Well they were playing against some amateur side, so no matter the circumstance, it is kind of funny, you have to admit
Posted by: Danny Jul 26 2014, 10:32 PM
Yes, I know the feeling of losing to amateurs. Funny when you're not supporting the team who loses, end of the world if it's your team on the end of a thrashing to 'wtf utd XI'.
Posted by: X-Offender Jul 27 2014, 12:29 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9ln_OZ_ix0
Posted by: arivanjj Jul 27 2014, 03:33 AM
fantastic. they never get old those goals.
Here's one from today's game... there's something very satisfying about Gale ripping goals into Inter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7hfnrH5sX4
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 27 2014, 11:50 PM
Here's one from today's game... there's something very satisfying about Gale ripping goals into Inter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7hfnrH5sX4
And the ball just deceived and swerved to the empty corner, brilliant!
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 28 2014, 04:26 PM
So apparently Tavecchio is looking likely to fail in his candidacy for FIGC. Albertini is likely to win it.
If he does, it will be a monuments task for him, but I trust he will fill the shoes perfectly.
Maybe reform in Serie A will finally come?
Posted by: han2503 Jul 28 2014, 04:53 PM
If he does, it will be a monuments task for him, but I trust he will fill the shoes perfectly.
Maybe reform in Serie A will finally come?
Good, why Serie A and Italy should continue to be a million steps behind the rest of the world is beyond me. Backing someone who has no issue with making racially driven comments would be a huge step in the wrong direction for the league, something it absolutely does not need at this point considering Serie A has become a second rate league these days
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 28 2014, 06:33 PM
Serie A is light-years behind because the country is/was on the brink of bankruptcy. Government's municipality will not release the properties (stadia), they will not reduce taxes, they will squeeze all their businesses be that football, telecom, manufacturing, you get the drift.
Germany on the other hand is in a promising position. England, thanks to London alone, has a strong economy.
Spain are in shambles, just like Italy; except their TV distribution compensates to promote the top two teams. They own their stadiums even.
Albertini has a monuments challenge ahead of him is all I can say. Cuz if this continues, Serie A will be left with two Cl seats.
Posted by: X-Offender Jul 28 2014, 07:33 PM
Serie A 14/15 calendar: http://www.football-italia.net/52762/serie-2014-15-fixtures
Posted by: han2503 Jul 28 2014, 07:50 PM
Just to make it easier
Week 1 - 31/8/14
Milan-Lazio
Week 2 - 14/9/14
Parma-Milan
Week 3 - 21/9/14
Milan-Juventus
Week 4 - 24/9/14
Empoli-Milan
Week 5 - 28/9/14
Cesena-Milan
Week 6 - 5/10/14
Milan-Chievo
Week 7 - 19/10/14
Verona-Milan
Week 8 - 26/10/14
Milan-Fiorentina
Week 9 - 29/10/14
Cagliari-Milan
Week 10 - 2/11/14
Milan-Palermo
Week 11 - 9/11/14
Sampdoria-Milan
Week 12 - 23/11/14
Milan-Inter
Week 13 - 30/11/14
Milan-Udinese
Week 14 - 7/12/14
Genoa-Milan
Week 15 - 14/12/14
Milan-Napoli
Week 16 - 21/12/14
Roma-Milan
Week 17 - 6/1/15
Milan-Sassuolo
Week 18 - 11/1/15
Torino-Milan
Week 19 - 18/1/15
Milan-Atalanta
Posted by: han2503 Jul 28 2014, 07:50 PM
What a b!tch of a schedule, I can't see one long stretch where we can actually build a good run tbh
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 28 2014, 08:09 PM
First and third fixtures would be two fundamental games. If we win, the team could be boosted enough to steam ahead. Otherwise Inzaghi will be the man to go, and income Conte? Hmm
Those two fixtures, lazio and juve at home, we win; life gets so much better 
Life on MF I mean 
Till then, what was the City result again?
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jul 29 2014, 10:40 AM
If he does, it will be a monuments task for him, but I trust he will fill the shoes perfectly.
Maybe reform in Serie A will finally come?
Maybe.
As I said in the other thread, Mr. Galliani is supporting Tavecchio (so does AC Milan). Another class act, no question.
Posted by: dst Jul 29 2014, 11:58 AM
JUST GO GALLIANI!!! How can he support that damn racist dickhead??
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Jul 29 2014, 03:42 PM
5-1
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Jul 29 2014, 03:45 PM
A bit small but here's an image with all fixtures for the 2014-15 Serie A season.
And here's one with Milan's fixtures specifically.
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Jul 29 2014, 04:01 PM
At least Barbara isn't for supporting him.
Unfortunately I don't believe her 'vote' counts.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jul 29 2014, 04:09 PM
Galliani and Milan officially supported Tavecchio, what's more to say?
Posted by: X-Offender Jul 29 2014, 04:13 PM
Why is Tavecchio a racist?
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jul 29 2014, 04:16 PM
Here are some links:
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jul/27/italian-football-racism-row
http://prosoccertalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/27/carlo-tavecchio-in-racism-row-after-calling-african-players-banana-eaters/
http://forzaitalianfootball.com/2014/07/tavecchios-racist-remarks-to-be-investigated-by-fifa/
Posted by: X-Offender Jul 29 2014, 04:22 PM
Well now...
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Jul 29 2014, 07:33 PM
Posted by: dst Jul 29 2014, 11:02 PM
And Galliani said that Milan supports that man! For ****'s sake!!
Juventus, Fiorentina, Roma and others have come out against him before anyone asks.
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Jul 30 2014, 06:48 PM
Just watched Roma-Madrid. I'd rathe ljalic then iturbe TBH
Posted by: dst Jul 31 2014, 12:45 PM
Iturbe is a winger, isn't he?
Posted by: X-Offender Jul 31 2014, 01:03 PM
Yes.
Posted by: Bluesummers Jul 31 2014, 08:11 PM
When's the vote
Posted by: dst Aug 11 2014, 05:40 PM
So Tavecchio has been elected... I hope Italian football truly suffers, they deserve it. Well it's what most probably is gonna happen anyway, it's not just my hope.
Posted by: acid911 Aug 11 2014, 06:07 PM
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 13 2014, 10:10 AM
It's a damn shame, really embarrassing.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Aug 19 2014, 10:56 AM
James Pallotta has taken 100 per cent control of Roma after buying out Italian bank UniCredit's shares in the Serie A runner-up.
The American was part of a consortium which bought the capital club in 2010, and became president in 2012 when Thomas DiBenedetto stepped aside.
And with a new stadium on the way for Roma, the Americans now have full say over affairs at the club, having spent $47.68 million on UniCredit's shares.
A statement read: "UniCredit S.p.A., AS Roma SPV, LLC, and Raptor Holdco LLC, an affiliate of AS Roma SPV, LLC, inform that on the date hereof they have entered into a Share Purchase Agreement by which UniCredit S.p.A. transferred to AS Roma SPV, LLC its entire participation held in the capital stock of NEEP Roma Holding S.p.A. (the controlling company of A.S. Roma S.p.A.) for consideration in the amount of €33,000,000, which has been paid in full at the closing of the transaction.
"As a consequence of such sale AS Roma SPV, LLC increases its interest in NEEP Roma Holding S.p.A., directly and indirectly via Raptor Holdco LLC, to 100% of the stock capital of NEEP Roma Holding S.p.A.
"In the same context UniCredit S.p.A., AS Roma SPV, LLC and Raptor Holdco LLC terminated the shareholders agreement related to NEEP Roma Holding S.p.A. entered into on 18 August 2011 and subsequently amended and integrated (also by means of the accession of Raptor Holdco LLC) on 1 August 2013."
The American consortium own an effective 78% of the club, with 22% with supporters.
The bank took a haircut from the value of their share being 50M to 33M to conclude the transfer of ownership.
Roma's new owners have outlined that the new stadium should be ready for the start of the 2016/17 season.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 19 2014, 11:56 AM
Good news.
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 19 2014, 03:22 PM
We're so far behind. As long as these clowns continue running us, we'll never be able to compete.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 24 2014, 09:10 PM
I see Di Natale has scored a hat-trick, I thought he was retiring after last season?
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 24 2014, 09:35 PM
Apparently, not. He changed his mind in May.
So, Pogba and Vidal are obviously staying at Juve. Why did Conte then resign?
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 24 2014, 10:28 PM
Because he wanted a couple of big name signings to compete for the CL and the club couldn't satisfy him.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Aug 24 2014, 10:35 PM
And he wanted to coach the Azzurri as well.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 25 2014, 04:58 AM
So, Pogba and Vidal are obviously staying at Juve. Why did Conte then resign?
Lack of investment on new signings? I could be wrong, I really don't remember who they've signed this summer.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Aug 28 2014, 03:06 PM
Pirlo is out for a month. He picked a knock during the Trofeo TIM. Allegri seems to have brought along bad luck.
Posted by: han2503 Aug 28 2014, 03:28 PM
Menez did that to him IIRC
At least he'll most likely miss the game against us
Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 30 2014, 03:11 PM
Roma-Fiorentina should be a good watch, 2 of the better sides to watch from last season.
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 30 2014, 06:40 PM
Chievo play some horrendous football.
Posted by: KillerMax Aug 30 2014, 07:50 PM
Watching Roma Fiorentina...
Posted by: William405 Aug 30 2014, 08:21 PM
Me too. ^^
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 30 2014, 08:42 PM
Can't find a decent stream...
Posted by: William405 Aug 30 2014, 09:06 PM
Roma looking really really good attacking wise.
Viola hit the post from a freekick!
Edit: Babacar comes very close to scoring...
Posted by: Forza Milan! Aug 30 2014, 09:21 PM
Roma does look good. They did better in the 1st half, Fiorentina is putting up more of a fight now, but they are missing a couple of key players.
Edit: Iturbe just subbed out, I think he did quite well.
Posted by: han2503 Aug 30 2014, 09:40 PM
Roma's midfield is just ridiculously good, I'd kill to have just one of those players in our squad
Posted by: William405 Aug 30 2014, 09:42 PM
Edit: Iturbe just subbed out, I think he did quite well.
Yep..Viola were much better in that second half...if Rossi and Guardado were there it might have been a totally different ball game.
Iturbe impressed..but let's not forget Pjanic. That guy is seriously good!
Posted by: KillerMax Aug 30 2014, 09:48 PM
Nainggolan, Strootman, De Rossi, Iturbe, Pjanic, Florenzi....
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 30 2014, 09:49 PM
We could, in a way. De Jong-Poli-Honda is not that much different than De Rossi-Naingggolan-Pjanic. In fact, player per player, they're all copies of each other.
Posted by: KillerMax Aug 30 2014, 09:50 PM
WOW. Haven't had to disagree with you this hard in a LONG time. De jong is outdated version of strootman and that is the closes thing we have to their midfield. The other players aren't even close.
Posted by: KillerMax Aug 30 2014, 10:03 PM
I'm just gonna rate our midfield and theirs from 0-99
Roma:
Nainggolan: 81
Strootman: 84
De Rossi: 91
Iturbe: 83
Pjanic: 87
Florenzi: 79 (with big potential)
Total: 505
Milan:
De Jong: 80
Honda: 76
Poli: 76
Montolivo: 79
Muntari: 74
Saponara: 71
Total: 456
Posted by: han2503 Aug 30 2014, 10:03 PM
Strootman and Pjanic would be the dream of course, but Niangolan and Florenzi would also be great, funny thing is we were close to signing Radja last winter and we backed out - as usual - because of the price and - as usual - Roma swooped in and signed a player we had targeted and wasted months pissing off their club and agent with our transfer "strategies"
They are similar, but quality wise the Roma trio are heads and shoulders above ours. Honda is the only one who comes close technique and quality wise, which becomes a moot point as well since we seem hell bent on wasting him out wide
Posted by: han2503 Aug 30 2014, 10:07 PM
Roma:
Nainggolan: 83
Strootman: 81
De Rossi: 91
Iturbe: 83
Pjanic: 87
Florenzi: 79 (with big potential)
Total: 504
Milan:
De Jong: 80
Honda: 76
Poli: 76
Montolivo: 79
Muntari: 74
Saponara: 71
Total: 456
I don't think De Rossi can be rated that high anymore, he's easily one of my favourite players of the last decade or so, but he's declined quite a bit in these last few years
Also, with ours Muntari should be in the 60s, he's just so bad and such a liability to our team, and Monto should be 80 or 81 imo. Honda also should be slightly above Poli by one or 2 points. The rest is pretty spot on. I wonder why we haven't tried to offer Roma some decent money for Florenzi, there's so much talent in their midfield he won't have much space, while here he'd be an instant starter
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 30 2014, 10:08 PM
I'm talking in terms of player characteristics. They're the same. Obviously Roma's midfield is far superior when it comes to quality. But really, player per player, De Jong is absolutely not inferior to De Rossi as anchor, Poli and Nainggolan are identical players, and Honda and Pjanic are both small, hard-working, left-footed AMs with a flair for creativity.
Posted by: KillerMax Aug 30 2014, 10:16 PM
Also, with ours Muntari should be in the 60s, he's just so bad and such a liability to our team, and Monto should be 80 or 81 imo. Honda also should be slightly above Poli by one or 2 points. The rest is pretty spot on. I wonder why we haven't tried to offer Roma some decent money for Florenzi, there's so much talent in their midfield he won't have much space, while here he'd be an instant starter
Alright I'm gonna update it. But Monto stays the same IMO. He just never has been able to take that next step in quality and that's why he stays under 80. I already changed Nainggolan and Stroorman a bit as I thought back to last season, I remember Strootman was really solid and consistent while Nainggolan does lack a bit of concentration.
Updated list:
Roma:
Nainggolan: 81
Strootman: 84
De Rossi: 88
Iturbe: 83
Pjanic: 87
Florenzi: 79 (with big potential)
Total: 502
Milan:
De Jong: 80
Honda: 77
Poli: 75
Montolivo: 79
Muntari: 72
Saponara: 71
Total: 454
Posted by: KillerMax Aug 30 2014, 10:20 PM
Thank god. Because I've come to trust your opinions. But what kind of comparison is that? I can compare Roma's midfield to a local Iranian club in terms of characteristic too...
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 30 2014, 11:52 PM
To show that just like it's working for Roma, it could work for us too, and that if Pjanic can play in a midfield three, so can Honda for us.
Posted by: KillerMax Aug 31 2014, 01:13 AM
Yeah I've given up on the idea of Honda playing centrally at this point but as han mentioned, playing Menez as a false 9 does give Honda some freedom to roam centrally. I guess that's the best we are gonna get for now in that regard.
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 31 2014, 09:46 PM
Very disappointing display from Inter.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 1 2014, 07:21 AM
You mean very pleasing, right?
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Sep 1 2014, 06:15 PM
So Rossi for Fiorentina was given a negative prognosis by doctors. Looks like his initial surgery didn't go well since he had pre-season discomfort.
I feel like a jerk, but I'm secretly happy about this. With the Viola keeping Cuadrado, Rossi being away puts them at a slight disadvantage.
With our team, we don't just need to be at our best, we need the others to be at below par to make Europe.
Posted by: KillerMax Sep 1 2014, 06:55 PM
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Sep 2 2014, 02:48 AM
GdS: Transfer market campaign ratings (scale: 1-10):
Roma: 8.
Juventus: 7,5.
Milan: 7+.
Inter, Fiorentina and Verona: 7.
Napoli: 5,5.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 2 2014, 09:39 AM
Roma: 8.
Juventus: 7,5.
Milan: 7+.
Inter, Fiorentina and Verona: 7.
Napoli: 5,5.
I wonder what Juve got a 7.5 for... They didn't really improve all that much and signed Morata for a ridiculous fee
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Sep 2 2014, 10:48 AM
^^
Honestly I think they're getting credit for holding on to Pogba and Vidal. That's just cheating. We held on to De Sciglio and El Sharaawy.
It's assumed that they will win the league because they've the same strength team plus Morata. I'd like to see how long they will hold on to Vidal and Pogba. I expect one to head to Man Utd and the other to PSG in a year's time.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 2 2014, 11:35 AM
Honestly I think they're getting credit for holding on to Pogba and Vidal. That's just cheating. We held on to De Sciglio and El Sharaawy.
It's assumed that they will win the league because they've the same strength team plus Morata. I'd like to see how long they will hold on to Vidal and Pogba. I expect one to head to Man Utd and the other to PSG in a year's time.
Such a shame that Serie A has been reduced to this, it's best clubs have become selling clubs to the English and French leagues.
There was a time when we would have been the ones sending Chelsea out washed up star, not the other way around
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 2 2014, 12:45 PM
Juve's overall net spend was 5m, I think they got + marks for selling players they didn't use too much for decent money. They made 15.5m for Immobile and Zaza.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 2 2014, 01:20 PM
Do you know what they paid to get Morata?
I know it's a pretty complicated deal and Real could swoop in in 2 years' time a take him back for a set fee IIRC
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 2 2014, 02:03 PM
I know it's a pretty complicated deal and Real could swoop in in 2 years' time a take him back for a set fee IIRC
20m wasn't?
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 2 2014, 02:21 PM
Just watched the highlights of the weekends games. Juve started someone called Kingsley Coman... who!?
Posted by: han2503 Sep 2 2014, 04:57 PM
They're saying he's the next Pogba (in terms of progression not type of player)
He's a striker I think, got him free off of PSG.
And 20m for Morata is ridiculous money imo.
I really don't think their transfer market demanded anything more than a 6. Keeping your best assets when you're Italian champions should be a given, not something that is applauded
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 2 2014, 05:16 PM
Meh, 20m for a striker who barely played and had a good strike rate at 20 years of age. In todays market it's about right IMO.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 2 2014, 05:19 PM
And yet we sold Balo for the same sum, which just boggles the mind.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 2 2014, 06:21 PM
Our management got it horribly wrong, we should've got around 10m more IMO.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 2 2014, 07:36 PM
Agreed
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 2 2014, 11:45 PM
He was pretty good actually. Could turn into another Pogba for them.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 3 2014, 01:17 AM
Yeah he looked good, got MotM too. I'd just never heard of the guy and thought it was odd he was starting for Juve.
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 5 2014, 02:41 PM
http://www.sportmediaset.mediaset.it/mercato/mercato/2014/articoli/1045081/serie-a-tutti-i-trasferimenti-ufficiali.shtml
Posted by: KillerMax Sep 5 2014, 06:32 PM
Heh, Biabany listed as a Milan signing.
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 5 2014, 07:17 PM
Hahahaha, nice catch.
Posted by: KillerMax Sep 5 2014, 09:09 PM
http://www.football-italia.net/55549/rossi-out-four-five-months. One of those super talented but unlucky players...
Posted by: Jack Bauer Sep 5 2014, 09:25 PM
He just can't catch a break.
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 5 2014, 09:50 PM
Glad we didn't sign him.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 6 2014, 03:12 AM
Also, "Ronaldo" listed as Inter transfers out. So typically Italian. Of all the "big" European nations, Italy is probably the sloppiest in terms of mentality.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Sep 8 2014, 08:10 PM
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 8 2014, 08:13 PM
Inter look pretty good I suppose - financially that is.
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 8 2014, 08:40 PM
We could have done a little better, I suppose.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 8 2014, 08:54 PM
* waiting for han to mention Muntari and Zaccardo * 
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 8 2014, 09:50 PM
Issue here isn't the 90m on wages, it's the lack of quality of those players. Roma's team is much better IMO and yet the wages are roughly the same.
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 8 2014, 09:51 PM
Agreed. It should have been around the 70 million mark, like Inter and Napoli.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Sep 9 2014, 03:46 PM
Wages of 70M, 80M, 90M, 100M have no significance as 'stand alone', they have to be in correlation with revenue (ie wages divided by revenue). For example; Milan's 2013 results shows wages as 51% of revenue, in 2012 53%, in 2011 72%, ....
If we estimate Milan's revenue to be 200-220M for the next financial year (2014), and given the wages depicted above Milan is well below the 50%.
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 10 2014, 01:08 PM
Vidal out for 20-30 days. He and I think Pirlo too will miss the game against us.
Allegri's presence already giving effects. First Morata, then Barzagli, then Pirlo, then Chiellini, now Vidal...
Posted by: han2503 Sep 10 2014, 07:17 PM
Allegri's presence already giving effects. First Morata, then Barzagli, then Pirlo, then Chiellini, now Vidal...
Great
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 10 2014, 08:47 PM
Tevez out as well. In doubt for the game against us.
http://www.sportmediaset.mediaset.it/mercato/juventus/2014/articoli/1046342/juventus-si-ferma-anche-tevez-guaio-muscolare.shtml
It's on!
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 10 2014, 09:32 PM
I hope people will finally connect two and two together.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 11 2014, 10:27 AM
Nope, it's just us being obsessed with Allegri so we must blame everything on him
Posted by: Danny Sep 11 2014, 02:42 PM
Easier to attract players at a lesser wage when your team is successful and in the CL than it is when there's no Europe at all.
Look at Falcao. Would never have gone to Utd if not for the higher wage he's getting there.
This is nothing out of the ordinary.
Posted by: Danny Sep 11 2014, 02:47 PM
Utter nonsense.
Tevez pulled up with a thigh strain in training. How is that Allegri's fault.
Vidal's injury was sustained on duty with Chile. How is that Allegri's fault.
Pirlo was injured V Udinese during a clash of knees with Lazarri. How is that Allegri's fault.
And Chiellini is suspended, not injured.
You people are being ridiculous.
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 11 2014, 04:18 PM
Tevez pulled up with a thigh strain in training. How is that Allegri's fault.
Vidal's injury was sustained on duty with Chile. How is that Allegri's fault.
Pirlo was injured V Udinese during a clash of knees with Lazarri. How is that Allegri's fault.
And Chiellini is suspended, not injured.
You people are being ridiculous.
It doesn't matter how they get injured. Allegri's presence is a doom per se.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 11 2014, 05:27 PM
Oh look, Allegri bought up again.
No obsession though like.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 11 2014, 05:38 PM
What's the whole obsession with the word obsession guys?
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Sep 11 2014, 05:50 PM
I don't know. It started with KillerMax and dst. I think Portugal was involved a little bit; he was more of a femme fatale though.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Sep 11 2014, 07:22 PM
Look at Falcao. Would never have gone to Utd if not for the higher wage he's getting there.
This is nothing out of the ordinary.
It's not like we have this problem this year only though, we are struggling with way too high total team wage for years now, mostly because of poor management.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 11 2014, 08:19 PM
Tevez pulled up with a thigh strain in training. How is that Allegri's fault.
Vidal's injury was sustained on duty with Chile. How is that Allegri's fault.
Pirlo was injured V Udinese during a clash of knees with Lazarri. How is that Allegri's fault.
And Chiellini is suspended, not injured.
You people are being ridiculous.
Funny though how it's just happening now... Juve have probably had one of the best fitness records in the league under Conte, in steps Allegri and the players are dropping like flies
Yep, that's the main issue. Big wages to sh!t players. All Galliani's doing
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 14 2014, 03:09 PM
Wow. Inter tuned in today. Seriously kicking Sassuolo.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Sep 24 2014, 10:40 AM
From football italia:
Both Inter and Roma are speculated by Tuttosport today as under scrutiny by UEFA, in view of Financial Fair Play.
The clubs are understood to be outside the parameters set by the initiative introduced by the European game’s governing body.
It is believed that both the Nerazzurri and Giallorossi will receive a warning from the association's headquarters in Nyon shortly, as part of a ‘request for clarification’ on their respective situations.
Neither side played in European competition last season, and they were not punished back in June when UEFA found nine clubs – including Paris Saint-Germain, Manchester City and Zenit St. Petersburg – in contravention of the new regulations.
Roma are now in the Champions League and Inter in the Europa League, so they'll join Monaco and Liverpool under UEFA suspicion. The Turin-based paper believes that the English side could miss out on as much as €9m of prize money as a penalty.
The situation is thought to be more serious at San Siro, where the operating loss during the first observation period is estimated at €67m, well above the €45m limit allowed.
Inter officials have reportedly been working for a while behind the scenes to try to minimise the impact of any financial penalty handed out and to try to avoid competitive penalties altogether, such as limitations on the size of the squad list in Europe.
Roma are seen as in a slightly better situation, but are still facing a probable financial penalty.
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 24 2014, 11:16 AM
I don't understand this, especially Roma's position. They got a lot of money for making the CL, and the only signings they made where they spent cash were Iturbe and Manolas which were offset by Benatia's sale. The same goes for last season, where Strootman, Nainggolan, Gervinho etc. were all financed by the lucrative sales of Lamela and Marquinhos.
And Inter's only relevant signings have been Medel and Osvaldo, who didn't cost them a lot. In fact, Inter has been spending very little in general ever since their treble win. In addition, their wage bill is about €70 million, whereas ours is around €100 million or something.
Strange...
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Sep 24 2014, 11:26 AM
R7 put out the new wage bill. Ours is pretty low now. Lower than the 100 million. And when it comes to wages as percentage of revenue, we're in a really great place. I expect it to go even lower, as more players get shipped out.
Not sure about Roma. But I do believe that wages and transfer fees they're paying are not offset by the player sales. Not to mention the debt the organization probably already has. Unfortunately no one has done a detailed financial analysis on them.
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 24 2014, 11:38 AM
I'm pretty sure our wage bill is over €90 million. Someone put the wage bills of all Serie A clubs a few days ago, don't remember where though.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 24 2014, 11:57 AM
Not sure about Roma. But I do believe that wages and transfer fees they're paying are not offset by the player sales. Not to mention the debt the organization probably already has. Unfortunately no one has done a detailed financial analysis on them.
Our wage bill is higher than Inter's
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Sep 24 2014, 12:01 PM
It's just over 90 million euros. That would have gone down further this year to under ninety since we've shipped out a few players and only pay part-wages for others.
So rumours about Roma were initially about a 78 million euro deficit, which would place them in trouble with FFP but apparently that's not the case and things are much better.
http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/financials/financials.asp?ticker=ASR:IM
http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/serie-a/roma-sforato-il-budget-stipendi-parte-uno-fra-ljajic-e-destro-578305
@han: Yes our wage bill is higher. But so is our revenue. Both Inter and we lose out on CL money, but our commercial revenues are much higher. No Barca/Madrid level but respectable. ~97 million euros.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 24 2014, 12:04 PM
So rumours about Roma were initially about a 78 million euro deficit, which would place them in trouble with FFP but apparently that's not the case and things are much better.
http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/financials/financials.asp?ticker=ASR:IM
http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/serie-a/roma-sforato-il-budget-stipendi-parte-uno-fra-ljajic-e-destro-578305
@han: Yes our wage bill is higher. But so is our revenue. Both Inter and we lose out on CL money, but our commercial revenues are much higher. No Barca/Madrid level but respectable. ~97 million euros.
Actually I'm going by the wages Gazzetta published after this transfer window close, ours is 90m+ Inter's 70m+
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Sep 24 2014, 12:21 PM
No I agree with you. So basically FFP hits you if you're paying wages not commensurate with your revenue. Inter has that problem, we don't (as much).
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 24 2014, 03:25 PM
Roma have basically dared to try and compete for the title and they aren't called Milan, Inter or Juve. It's not allowed.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Sep 24 2014, 03:30 PM
Oh you little capitalist! Haha.
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 26 2014, 02:47 PM
San Siro's capacity will be reduced to 56.000 after the 2016 CL final (the third tier of the green and red sector will be removed).
:/
Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2014, 02:57 PM
I hope they're wrong! a 48000 seater?? And why are they reducing the capacity of the San Siro?
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 26 2014, 02:59 PM
Yeah, 48,000 is too few seats. Should be at least around 60,000. And no idea why they're doing that to San Siro. Makes no sense. Even if it'll be Inter's stadium, reducing its capacity so much is blasphemy.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Sep 26 2014, 06:59 PM
Not sure if this is correct, but it does make sense. Reducing the seating at the stadium would increase demand and prices for tickets can be sold at a premium. Currently the stadium seats 80k roughly. That never really gets filled, except when Madrid or Barcelona come to town. Average attenedences at the stadium ranges between 35-40k, maybe 45k on best case scenario but that is the limit as an average for the season.
Reducing supply will drive ticket prices up by creating a demand for 'limited' seats. Not to mention reduced maintenance expense and staffing.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Sep 26 2014, 07:00 PM
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Posted by: acid911 Sep 26 2014, 07:16 PM
Damn, you sure are passionate about this, R7. We get it, we get it!
Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2014, 07:18 PM
Still, 48,000 is just too small imo. At least make it 60,000, it's not too huge like the San Siro but at least it's not so small. It will lose all the grandeur that San Siro brings when it's full.
Posted by: Danny Sep 26 2014, 10:43 PM
I still refuse to accept that we're leaving San Siro.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 26 2014, 11:01 PM
Yes, me as well. No economic logic will me lead to support such a move.
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 26 2014, 11:24 PM
Arsenal left Highbury, Bayern left Olympia Stadion, Juve left Delle Alpi and many others. Expect many Serie A clubs to have new stadiums by 2020, especially since 95% of them are completely worn out and outdated.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 27 2014, 10:04 AM
Still. San Siro is part of tradition and history. The new stadium has to be something special to be accepted.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 27 2014, 05:59 PM
Milan need 50k+ at least, I'd agree with han and others than 60k is about right, especially when we become good again.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Sep 27 2014, 06:56 PM
https://vine.co/v/OZX5bUuLaOJ
Posted by: Jack Bauer Sep 27 2014, 10:46 PM
So from the Serie A start it seems like Roma and Juve will be far behind and fighting for the title but that third CL spot is wide open. If Pippo won't be stubborn with selecting the two clowns on a regular basis, we have a pretty good shot.
Posted by: X-Offender Oct 4 2014, 09:56 PM
No Abate again for Conte. Yet he picks Poli. LOL. I hate it when coaches don't pick certain players because they don't personally like them despite them being in top form.
Posted by: han2503 Oct 4 2014, 10:19 PM
Abate has been the best RB in the league by a mile.
I don't mind Poli, it's not like they're competing with each other for the same position and it's always great to see Milan players playing for the Nazionale.
My question is, who has he picked for the RB position instead of Abate, because atm, any other choice ahead of him is pure nonsense.
Posted by: X-Offender Oct 4 2014, 10:42 PM
I don't mind Poli, it's not like they're competing with each other for the same position and it's always great to see Milan players playing for the Nazionale.
My question is, who has he picked for the RB position instead of Abate, because atm, any other choice ahead of him is pure nonsense.
No, I meant Abate has been so much better than Poli yet he picks the latter. Like I said in regards to Mexes, NT coaches are all about personal favorites.
As for Conte's call-ups:
Bonucci (Juventus), Chiellini (Juventus), Ogbonna (Juventus), Ranocchia (Inter), Rugani (Empoli);
Aquilani (Fiorentina), Bonaventura (Milan), Candreva (Lazio), Darmian (Torino), De Sciglio (Milan), Florenzi (Roma), Marchisio (Juventus), Parolo (Lazio), Pasqual (Fiorentina), Poli (Milan), Thiago Motta (Paris Saint Germain), Verratti (Paris Saint Germain);
Destro (Roma), Giovinco (Juventus), Immobile (Borussia Dortmund), Osvaldo (Inter), Pellè (Southampton), Zaza (Sassuolo)
Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 5 2014, 10:05 AM
I had to google search Rugani, the name didn't seem familiar to me. First thing I noticed "On loan from Juventus".
Posted by: William405 Oct 5 2014, 10:05 AM
Galliani's explanation:
“Abate has problems with his ankle and that’s why he wasn’t called up, as he needs some time on the treatment table,” CEO Galliani told Milan Channel.
“Abate is super and we needn’t worry about him, as there’s nobody in Italy who plays like he does. I know that I’m biased, but I don’t see how Italy could not play him.”
@Footballitalia
Posted by: X-Offender Oct 5 2014, 11:41 AM
Hm, but Conte's list was announced before the game, and Abate played like a train yesterday. Whatever...
Posted by: Danny Oct 5 2014, 12:13 PM
Face it X, club football is more important.
NT (for almost every nation now) has become a burden of no importance.
Posted by: han2503 Oct 5 2014, 03:59 PM
NT (for almost every nation now) has become a burden of no importance.
It's still difficult to accept snubs like this because players still see it as a hugely important aspect of their career and they work hard to be good enough to get the call, and atm there's no one better in that position in Serie A than Abate, certainly no one who's Italian.
Posted by: han2503 Oct 5 2014, 05:51 PM
Ridiculous match in Turin, the ref trying to gift Juve the game
Gervinho also ruining a huge chance to make it 3-1
Posted by: X-Offender Oct 5 2014, 05:52 PM
Juve 2-2 Roma HT
Super exciting first half, with the ref as protagonist. 3 penalties, 7 yellow cards, Garcia sent off.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Oct 5 2014, 06:03 PM
That last penaly the ref gifted Juve was just ridiculous. He should retire after the game.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 5 2014, 06:07 PM
Second penalty for Juve was comic. Was it even inside? And what, in the 2nd or 3rd minute of extra time, even if 1 minute was given?? I hope Roma shows them how to play with heart in the second half.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Oct 5 2014, 06:08 PM
Nope.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 5 2014, 06:09 PM
What a farce.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Oct 5 2014, 06:19 PM
Big miss by Pjanic.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Oct 5 2014, 06:25 PM
Juve players are flopping all over.
Posted by: X-Offender Oct 5 2014, 06:32 PM
Gervinho has been amazing. Also very impressed by Manolas and Keita.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Oct 5 2014, 06:41 PM
Pirlo subbed. Another game in which no one broke his leg. Disappointing.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Oct 5 2014, 06:49 PM
****. Those thugs didn't deserve to win.
Posted by: X-Offender Oct 5 2014, 06:56 PM
Shame.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 5 2014, 06:58 PM
Yeah. How unfair can this get?
Pjanić again a flop. He's so inconsistent.
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Oct 5 2014, 08:50 PM
Inter losing 2-0 at HT
Posted by: Jack Bauer Oct 5 2014, 08:57 PM
And Napoli 0-1 Torino at HT. The battle for third place is wide open and we have a pretty good shot to claim it. (funny/sad how this is all we can hope for these days. Our Holy Grail).
Posted by: Jack Bauer Oct 5 2014, 09:13 PM
Jinxed it. 1-1.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Oct 5 2014, 09:18 PM
Fiorentina destroying them. 3-0 and way too easy.
Posted by: X-Offender Oct 5 2014, 09:24 PM
Yeah. Inter are just terrible. Mazzarri should get sacked.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 5 2014, 09:38 PM
I think he will. Perfect time to do this with the international break coming up.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Oct 5 2014, 10:17 PM
There were three penalties in this game and two red cards, but both Bianconeri spot-kicks were right on the line.
“It’s a huge shame after a good performance,” Totti told Sky Sport Italia.
“We came to Turin to play our game, but you saw what happened and that affected the match.
“For years the same old incidents keep happening. I don’t know if we were beaten by referees, but we certainly were not beaten by Juventus tonight.
“Yes, we are angry, but also aware we are a great team and must lift our heads straight away.
“This was a match we really cared about, but Juventus ought to have their own League, as by hook or by crook they always win.
“Are we back to the same doubts? I am not the only one saying this, as these are things everyone in Italy should discuss.
“With Juventus when there is any doubt whatsoever, it’s always a penalty. I have to stop now, as if I keep talking then I’ll get suspended.”
Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 5 2014, 10:58 PM
Penalty 1 - Player is on the line, but his arm is not I don't think. So this should be no penalty.
Penalty 2 - Player kicks Pogba's leg and his foot comes down straight, clearly on the line, so it should be a penalty.
I think the penalty calls were even. Roma's was a hilariously bad call. Totti grabbed, I forget who, did a wrestling move on him and somehow won a penalty. Both teams get 1 penalty that they shouldn't have.
Posted by: X-Offender Oct 5 2014, 11:12 PM
Am I the only one who thinks Juve didn't steal anything tonight? I think all three calls were penalties and the ref made the right decisions.
Posted by: han2503 Oct 6 2014, 11:32 AM
I don't think the second one was a penalty personally, if it is, it has to be the softest penalty ever.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 6 2014, 02:29 PM
If you mean the Roma one, I agree. I would call it a 50/50 nothingness, but Totti had his arm around his head and dropped to the floor. It's comical.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Oct 6 2014, 02:50 PM
I saw the replays to see what the fuss is all about. It's weird. So all the penalties were 50/50s that could have gone either way.
My only feel is the match should have ended on a draw. I do believe that Tevez was obstructing the Roma GK and an offside should have been called. That being said, that GK was pretty crap.
Posted by: X-Offender Oct 6 2014, 03:17 PM
No, according to FIFA regulation Vidal (not Tevez) wasn't in the line of the shot, so it's considered valid.
I re-watched the two Juve penalties, and they are extremely difficult to decide on, even on replay in slow motion. Can't blame the ref. Roma are acting like a bunch losers that won't accept defeat.
Posted by: Danny Oct 6 2014, 03:25 PM
Methinks someone's had a word with him and Conte and basically said 'he's not coming'. Abate has only just 100% reaffirmed himself with the Milan team after his isolation under Seedorf then initially under Pippo.
Last thing he wants is an injury for an ailing national team which rules him out forever.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 6 2014, 03:44 PM
On Juve-Roma:
Well it's typical and completely unsurprising. Juventus winning the ugly way and fighting through with a little bit of a push, while Roma played well but imploded with rage and showed once again that they're no more capable then a sour second loser. Business as usual.
On Abate:
To me it's a mystery. Refusing to play for the Azzuri but then playing for Milan against Chievo with 100%? I'm not sure how that fits. If what's Danny implying is really the truth, I would ban Abate from the National team for life (or at least until Conte is coach). Because it shows a big amount of disrespect and prioritizing, which is in direct clash with the concept of NT selections and football in general.
Posted by: han2503 Oct 6 2014, 07:53 PM
To me it's a mystery. Refusing to play for the Azzuri but then playing for Milan against Chievo with 100%? I'm not sure how that fits. If what's Danny implying is really the truth, I would ban Abate from the National team for life (or at least until Conte is coach). Because it shows a big amount of disrespect and prioritizing, which is in direct clash with the concept of NT selections and football in general.
I seriously do not think this is the case AT ALL. Abate is always one to give his all no matter the opposition and he's someone that values his inclusion in the NT a lot as he's said many times.
Either Conte is picking favourites or the Milan medical staff told Conte that he was having ankle issues which he was able to play through for one game with us with the view of having 2 weeks of rest.
Either way, it's not like Italy have tough opposition, Conte could probably field the U-21s and still win both fixtures, especially since one of them is against a Maltese side that barely comprises of 25% fully professional players (most of them play as part-timers with their local clubs)
What would bug me is if this becomes a regular thing, because there is no way as to how Conte could justify not picking him, especially right now when he's in the form of his life, he's arguably doing better than he did in the 10/11 season when he was continuously viewed as the best RB in the league that season as well.
Looking at his counter part at Milan right now (DS) in that FB position Abate is heads and shoulders better, same goes for the direct competition at RB in Darmian
Posted by: Danny Oct 6 2014, 08:08 PM
No, I'm implying it's the Club who said it, not Abate. You have a really annoying habit of putting incorrect words in my mouth.
Posted by: han2503 Oct 6 2014, 09:13 PM
Yeah, totally, was going to mention Suarez as an example as well because he almost hit 30 last season (or did he?) and it was hailed as an amazing season, while if you compare that to Ronaldo and Messi, that number looks feeble in comparison to what they rack up each season in Spain
Posted by: Jack Bauer Oct 6 2014, 09:47 PM
Suarez had 31 goals in 33 league games. Very impressive no matter how you look at it. Ronaldo had 31 goals in 34 games in his best season there.
BTW, I think Pogba's penalty was a dive and not sure if it started on the line. Seemed to me like he dived before that little contact.
Posted by: han2503 Oct 6 2014, 10:28 PM
BTW, I think Pogba's penalty was a dive and not sure if it started on the line. Seemed to me like he dived before that little contact.
Agreed, that's the call I was talking about.
Both Totti's and the handball were just laughable for me, but the Pogba dive was a definite no.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying, it's incredible that he hit that amount of goals, same goes with Ronaldo when he was in the EPL, but when you then see him and Messi scoring 50 a season it's just bordering on the insane.
For me the 30+ goals in the EPL are far more impressive than anything he's done in Madrid in the league
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 6 2014, 11:34 PM
Sorry, what did I say incorrectly again? Point remains. If your story based on what the Club said is true, Abate should be banned for the rest of the qualification period.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Oct 7 2014, 06:20 AM
Galliani already clarified it. There is no problem. Abate has been having ankle problems and could do with a break. The NT was in agreement and decided to rest Abate rather than risk a more serious injury. I don't think either Milan or Abate would say no, if Conte demanded he show up.
I think Conte is alright with playing a second string side.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 7 2014, 07:07 AM
I don't know if they still enforce it, but to stop players pulling out of England friendlies they had a rule that if someone can't make the England squad, they have to miss at least 1 club game, either directly before or after, the International games. Was to stop the "Oh, I'm "injured" so can't play away at Moldova in a friendly" rubbish.
Posted by: Danny Oct 7 2014, 08:07 PM
So Abate should be banned for what Milan have instructed to Conte?
wtf are you on about? You're beyond illogical.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 7 2014, 08:30 PM
wtf are you on about? You're beyond illogical.
Firstly, what lies beyond illogical? And try not to maintain your silly line of insults, hmh
Secondly, if the Club and Abate decided to surpass this months NT matches just to be sure he'll rest and regains complete fitness (without any other more serious reason), yes, a ban from the Azzuri wouldn't be surprising at all. Because the Clubs action presents a dangerous precedent.
Posted by: milanbuf88 Oct 8 2014, 12:03 AM
Secondly, if the Club and Abate decided to surpass this months NT matches just to be sure he'll rest and regains complete fitness (without any other more serious reason), yes, a ban from the Azzuri wouldn't be surprising at all. Because the Clubs action presents a dangerous precedent.
IMO a ban would be completely ridiculous. It's in Conte's interest as well as Milan's to have Abate healthy and in good form for the future. Azerbaijan and Malta are scrubs. Conte could probably take the U-19 team and still win both matches. There is nothing wrong with the player, club, and coach having a discussion about the players health and whether or not he is needed for these matches. I'm sure that if Conte had a problem with this he would have expressed it and Abate would answer the call up.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Oct 8 2014, 05:23 AM
It's a problem if Conte call him up and Milan and Abate lies about the injury.
On the other hand my understanding is Conte asked, Milan said they'd like him to rest for a fortnight because of his muscle fatigue and Conte agreed. Probably because Conte too wishes to try something else for these two games and Abate is not critical. I think it was a friendly agreement.
I think our players are pretty worn out. Don't forget Jack's injury
Both Abate and Milan have been very above board with NTs and I don't think we will start to be sneaky now.
Posted by: han2503 Oct 8 2014, 09:18 AM
Why say that? You hurt my feelings!
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 8 2014, 10:22 AM
On the other hand my understanding is Conte asked, Milan said they'd like him to rest for a fortnight because of his muscle fatigue and Conte agreed. Probably because Conte too wishes to try something else for these two games and Abate is not critical. I think it was a friendly agreement.
Yes, it's a problem. Because one immediately makes the connection and asks: if he played all 90 minutes against Chievo, in a match we had in our bags some time before the final whistle, why didn't Pippo sub him as soon as we were 2-0 up? And don't tell me our team is in problems with muscle fatigue. If that's the case, then Roma, Fiorentina, Juventus and Napoli could be even more fatigued.
You see what my problem is? It's pretty peculiar. In the last few years I've seen tons of clashes between NT and clubs about fatigued players. And it usually ends up in favor of the NT. This Conte-Milan agreement, if true, sounds funny and opens up a precedent. Now any player can try and ask the same. For instance, why should Pirlo take up with Malta and Azer?
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Oct 8 2014, 10:44 AM
You see what my problem is? It's pretty peculiar. In the last few years I've seen tons of clashes between NT and clubs about fatigued players. And it usually ends up in favor of the NT. This Conte-Milan agreement, if true, sounds funny and opens up a precedent. Now any player can try and ask the same. For instance, why should Pirlo take up with Malta and Azer?
Good question. Made even more interesting because he is someone who announced retirement. Because Conte asked.
I think when it comes to NT it is a lot about personal equations.
One thing is that I don't think anyone in Italy has a problem turning up for the NT. It seems to work differently there.
Posted by: Danny Oct 8 2014, 11:19 AM
I'm not insulting you, I'm pointing out you're being totally unreasonable and illogical. If that qualifies as an insult, the Internet is not the place for you.
Ok, for the third time you're putting incorrect words in my mouth and I'm getting absolutely sick of it. If you can quote where I have included Abate ANYWHERE in the request to Conte, then you're doing well. I expressely said THE CLUB. In other words, they hold the power, they made the request, they pay his wages, and if they have said to Conte to release him from NT duty, his OWN wishes are secondary.
Do you understand the words I am saying?
Posted by: X-Offender Oct 8 2014, 12:34 PM
Are you going to the stadium for the game?
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Oct 8 2014, 12:36 PM
Nope. The game clashes with his private pornhub time. 
Posted by: X-Offender Oct 8 2014, 12:43 PM
Pretty sure he can postpone that to a later time.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 8 2014, 12:50 PM
Do you understand the words I am saying?
Sorry if you feel misquoted. You're making this way more complicated then it should be.
But I disagree. Not for a second to I believe Milan would decide this without Abate's consent or by placing his own wishes in the background. For me it's more plausible and logical that the player said he's not feeling up to it and wants more recuperation time, so therefore Milan backed him.
But let's forget about it, it's beyond speculative. My point is, it's a strange precedent.
Posted by: Danny Oct 8 2014, 03:53 PM
But I disagree. Not for a second to I believe Milan would decide this without Abate's consent or by placing his own wishes in the background. For me it's more plausible and logical that the player said he's not feeling up to it and wants more recuperation time, so therefore Milan backed him.
But let's forget about it, it's beyond speculative. My point is, it's a strange precedent.
Far from it, many clubs withdraw their players from NT duty if there's even slightest doubt over their fitness, doubt that wouldn't stop the player playing for his club.
These days playing for your country, sadly, has become less important than it once was. Arguably it's even a burden, even if the player himself feels honoured.
And if a club thinks their player is even 1% doubtful, they have the power over the national FA to say no.
Remember all those times Sir Alex would deny Man Utd players release to play for their countries? Giggs was a famous victim of this.
It's just the way the game is nowadays.
Posted by: han2503 Oct 8 2014, 09:10 PM
Jack's right I don't think I can free up space during that time slot
Honestly though, I'm not sure yet, the stadium here is awful to go to, I think I'd be better off watching on TV
Posted by: milanbuf88 Oct 8 2014, 10:54 PM
Haha sorry I was mean han. Malta is a beautiful country.
Posted by: KillerMax Oct 9 2014, 07:12 AM
Beautiful country with a shitty football team..
Posted by: han2503 Oct 9 2014, 10:07 PM
Forgiven for saying something nice to offset all the meanness of the previous post
WHY do you wish to hurt me so???
Posted by: KillerMax Oct 10 2014, 03:42 AM
WHY do you wish to hurt me so???
I calls it like I sees it..
Posted by: KillerMax Oct 10 2014, 03:43 AM
Iran's football team sucks a$s and USA's is not that much better.
Happy?
Posted by: Danny Oct 17 2014, 03:22 PM
Allegri, 47, spent two months in London watching games after being dismissed by AC Milan in January.
"What particularly struck me was how good their infrastructures are and the huge enthusiasm that the crowd has," Allegri told BBC World Focus.
"I hope, in the future, to have the opportunity to coach in England."
Performed well at Cagliari but was surprisingly sacked by current Leeds owner Massimo Cellino in 2010
After a spell on the Udinese coaching staff, he was named Sassuolo boss before managing in Serie A for the first time at Cagliari
Won Serie A at first attempt with AC Milan. Finished second and third in following seasons but sacked in January with side 30 points behind leaders Juventus
Allegri, who has also coached Cagliari, steered AC Milan to the Serie A title in his first season in charge in 2010-11.
Milan finished second and third in following seasons but Allegri was sacked in January with the side 30 points behind leaders Juventus.
He was appointed by Juventus in the summer and goes into Saturday's game away to his former club Sassuolo with his side three points clear at the top of Serie A.
Allegri says he would relish the opportunity to take charge of a team in England before he retires from management.
"I was in London for two months when I was dismissed by AC Milan," he said.
"I saw some games to try and better understand English football.
"It's different from the Italian football, it's more fascinating."
Manchester United have been linked with a move for Juventus and Chile midfielder Arturo Vidal.
But Allegri says the 27-year-old is staying in Turin.
"The club has been very clear on Vidal," he added.
"This season Vidal is a Juventus player and I think there's no possibility that in January he'll go to Manchester."
I'd like Han and X's thoughts on Allegri at Juve. They fully expected the 'idiot' to melt them, instead they're at 100% win record (Beating us and Roma in the process) and have conceded 2 goals.
Thoughts?
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 17 2014, 03:30 PM
I don't think anyone expected a meltdown. We always said: with the best squad Allegri can master the tasks ahead of him. He did it with Milan, he does it with Juventus. So far, so good.
The problem with him is the fine tuning. We'll see that not in a few days or months, but in time. I'm still convinced Juventus made the wrong decision by picking him, but he may prove me wrong.
Posted by: han2503 Oct 17 2014, 08:16 PM
Thoughts?
I'll try to find the posts I made to you and kurt on this matter, but what I said is that if Juve maintain the core of the team (which they did) then they'll win the league no matter who's coaching them
The win against us was mostly expected as we're nowhere near that level in terms of quality and the one against Roma although impressive was also one fraught with refereeing errors which helped Juve out.
Since they did keep the core of their team intact (a record breaking team might I add) I can't see them not winning the league personally speaking, even if they were being coached by you or me. I'm mostly interested to see what he does with them in the CL because that's the area where Conte - imo - failed
Posted by: Danny Oct 17 2014, 08:31 PM
Uh huh, just like Sir Alex's Man Utd won the league, kept the same core of players then crumbled under Moyes?
Your argument has no merit IMO.
Posted by: han2503 Oct 17 2014, 10:17 PM
Your argument has no merit IMO.
How can you compare that situation to this one??
Man U had a pretty average team bar one or 2 players when SAF retired, his ability as a manager was more than papering over the cracks. Moyes is a good coach imo but he's not a miracle worker, which SAF was doing imo with that squad in that particular league. Add to that the unrest within the group and all the ugly details that came out later on should tell you how you cannot even THINK about comparing the 2 situations
Unlike Moyes, Allegri took over what is undoubtedly the best equipped and most talented squad in the league with a Roma side who have been choking for over a decade now as their only competition. Not saying this to put down Roma in any way, they have a very talented squad as well, but Juve are just better in pretty much every position on the pitch when comparing the squads man for man.
Furthermore, you asked a very specific question which pertained to my thoughts now as opposed to the ones I had a few months ago. And therefore I pointed out to you that they remain the same as they've always been. I expected Allegri to win the league with this Juve side should their management be able to keep the group as is, which they did. I still expect him to win the title now, therefore, nothing has changed from what I thought then to what I think now about the situation
Posted by: Danny Oct 17 2014, 10:44 PM
Man U had a pretty average team bar one or 2 players when SAF retired, his ability as a manager was more than papering over the cracks. Moyes is a good coach imo but he's not a miracle worker, which SAF was doing imo with that squad in that particular league. Add to that the unrest within the group and all the ugly details that came out later on should tell you how you cannot even THINK about comparing the 2 situations
Unlike Moyes, Allegri took over what is undoubtedly the best equipped and most talented squad in the league with a Roma side who have been choking for over a decade now as their only competition. Not saying this to put down Roma in any way, they have a very talented squad as well, but Juve are just better in pretty much every position on the pitch when comparing the squads man for man.
Furthermore, you asked a very specific question which pertained to my thoughts now as opposed to the ones I had a few months ago. And therefore I pointed out to you that they remain the same as they've always been. I expected Allegri to win the league with this Juve side should their management be able to keep the group as is, which they did. I still expect him to win the title now, therefore, nothing has changed from what I thought then to what I think now about the situation
Usual 'yeah but...'
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Oct 17 2014, 11:42 PM
The problem with him is the fine tuning. We'll see that not in a few days or months, but in time. I'm still convinced Juventus made the wrong decision by picking him, but he may prove me wrong.
Allegri at Cagliari was impressive for the squad he had. He did well at Milan and is doing well at Juve. Think he might prove a few others wrong, as this is only his second stint at a 'big' club (or not so big anymore)
Posted by: X-Offender Oct 18 2014, 12:07 AM
Thoughts?
I never claimed such thing. I only made fun of their decision to hire Allegri.
Posted by: han2503 Oct 18 2014, 09:19 AM
No, I really want to read what you would follow your "but" with. Because honestly I do not understand how you could compare Juve to Man U and say "therefore your argument has no merit"
Me and x-off never said that he would implode the squad, we always said that we'd still expect him to win the league comfortably should their management be able to keep the core of the team together which they did. So I personally still think that they'll steamroll through this league without much problems, whether it's Allegri, Mourinho or the 3 stooges that is coaching them
Like I said, at this point I'm mostly interested to see if Allegri can go one step further in the CL than Conte ever did with them because that's the area where they can really achieve something note worthy as they've already hit and broken through the ceiling domestically
Posted by: han2503 Oct 19 2014, 04:08 PM
Juve drew yesterday, surprised no one's mentioned it. Against Sassuolo of all teams. I really wish this league could be blown wide open, if only Roma had won against them, which they should have
Posted by: Danny Oct 19 2014, 09:13 PM
They really do have an Indian sign over Allegri!
I only learned of that result today.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Oct 19 2014, 09:35 PM
What a crazy game between merda and Napoli. Hope it will end with a draw.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Oct 19 2014, 09:39 PM
FT 2-2. Both lost points, good for us.
Posted by: X-Offender Oct 19 2014, 09:39 PM
Last 15 minutes were crazy. Best result for us.
Posted by: han2503 Oct 19 2014, 09:40 PM
Yep!
Great round of games and results as well for us.
Samp have Roma next week while we have Fiorentina, hopefully all goes well so we can move into the top 3 again.
@ Danny,
yeah, forgot about the Sassuolo thing with us. Ironic that it had to be them to halt his win steak considering they were the team to get him sacked last season
Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 19 2014, 10:19 PM
Hernanes flip on his celebration, how do you even do that!?
Posted by: acid911 Oct 20 2014, 05:15 AM
For that Kurt, you have to be a sheer legend.
Can't decide what was better, the goal or the flip. Had we signed Hernanes, Handanovič and Lamela, we'd be sitting in first, I'm sure. Easily. Three very good players to have in a team, and the worse bit is that we probably were interested in at least two of these.
Posted by: X-Offender Oct 20 2014, 11:00 AM
Can't decide what was better, the goal or the flip. Had we signed Hernanes, Handanovič and Lamela, we'd be sitting in first, I'm sure. Easily. Three very good players to have in a team, and the worse bit is that we probably were interested in at least two of these.Lamela? Super overrated player.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 20 2014, 11:31 AM
Can't decide what was better, the goal or the flip. Had we signed Hernanes, Handanovič and Lamela, we'd be sitting in first, I'm sure. Easily. Three very good players to have in a team, and the worse bit is that we probably were interested in at least two of these.I think you overrate Handanović quite fairly. Don't get me wrong, with Udinese he was quite good, and with Inter he does solid things. But nothing spectacular really. I think Lopez at his best day can be much much better then Handanović.
Hernanes is the only player we should have really snapped away. He isn't top class or something, but with the lack of talent and know-how, he's very good.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Oct 20 2014, 01:18 PM
Really? Ok. Once again, there isn't a single player in the Inter team that I'd want at Milan. In fact, in the whole of Serie A there aren't that many players who I'd pick and immediately say this would complete the jigsaw that is our team.
Maybe Pogba for the midfield.
Otherwise, my dream transfer window just involved getting Thiago Silva back.
Posted by: han2503 Oct 20 2014, 01:58 PM
Yeah, I was like "WOW" when I saw him do that.
Can't decide what was better, the goal or the flip. Had we signed Hernanes, Handanovič and Lamela, we'd be sitting in first, I'm sure. Easily. Three very good players to have in a team, and the worse bit is that we probably were interested in at least two of these.I've been harping on about signing Hernanes since his Sao Paolo days but people here were adamant that he was an overhyped Brazilian. We were very interested in him back then but our management were their usual cheap @ss selves and elected not to go for him instead we signed a couple of over the hill free agent duds that have cost us millions upon millions over the years.
All while Lazio didn't find his price all that much of an issue, this without having our much more lucrative income streams
Maybe Pogba for the midfield.
Otherwise, my dream transfer window just involved getting Thiago Silva back.
Hernanes is a great player, I'd take him in an instant, same goes with Kovacic at Inter. From Juve I'd take Pogba, Vidal and Marchisio in a heart beat. And don't get me started on Roma's midfielders!
I think Serie A has some of the most talented midfielders currently around, none of which are playing at Milan
Posted by: X-Offender Oct 20 2014, 02:49 PM
I think Serie A has come of the most talented midfielders currently around, none of which are playing at Milan
+1
Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 20 2014, 05:19 PM
I wish we'd gone in for Hernanes when he was going to leave Lazio. It's not like he was massively expensive.
Posted by: Danny Oct 20 2014, 05:45 PM
Personally, biased no doubt, speaking, the only midfielder I'd take from Serie A would be Hamsik.
Pogba is GARBAGE in the big matches, and for his country. Marchisio - well, De Jong is better.
I think midfield is one area we are very strong in - De Jong, Jack and MvG to name 3.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 20 2014, 07:21 PM
I'd still take Pogba, he's incredible. As for Marchisio, he's a completely different player to De Jong. I like quite a lot of Serie A MFs personally.
Posted by: X-Offender Oct 20 2014, 08:13 PM
He's only 21, and garbage is an overstatement. Pogba is by far the best youngster in the world right now, and in a cpuple of years will be one of the Top 5 midfielders in the world.
Posted by: han2503 Oct 20 2014, 08:14 PM
Pogba is GARBAGE in the big matches, and for his country. Marchisio - well, De Jong is better.
I think midfield is one area we are very strong in - De Jong, Jack and MvG to name 3.
Garbage? don't go too far now, he's an amazing player, I'd give Juve anyone on our squad to trade him. And Marchisio is a completely different type of player to De Jong, one would have nothing to do with the other and I'd still take him over anyone in our current midfield.
Best mids in Serie A for me are:
Vidal
Pjanic
Pogba
Strootman
De Rossi
Marchisio
Nianggolan
Pirlo
Hamsik
Hernanes
De Jong
Kovacic
Then there are the likes of Florenzi, Valero, Monto, etc but they're not good enough to be in that list, which imo is pretty extensive and only contains one Milan player in it. Says it all
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 20 2014, 08:19 PM
Pogba is GARBAGE in the big matches, and for his country. Marchisio - well, De Jong is better.
I think midfield is one area we are very strong in - De Jong, Jack and MvG to name 3.
Garbage in big matches you say? How can you seriously make this qualification? Look, he's only 21, still a million big games he has to deal with. One (against us) he did very well this season. The main thing with Pogba is that he's consistently developing over the past few seasons with Juventus. From the moment they signed him up until now he's nothing but going straight forward.
As for Milan. You cannot judge on van Ginkel, the guy hasn't played even one full match with Milan. Bonaventura and de Jong - yes. They can make the cut. Poli and Montolivo could as well, if only they weren't that limited and inconsistent.
Posted by: Danny Oct 20 2014, 08:54 PM
Iturbe is brilliant in the big games. Same age.
That excuse doesn't wash.
Posted by: X-Offender Oct 20 2014, 10:29 PM
That excuse doesn't wash.
Pato was brilliant at 18 for that matter.
Thing is, you can't say Pogba is garbage in big games, because first he hasn't been garbage. Poor, maybe subpar, but garbage is an overstatement. Second, like Fillipo said, the progress he's made at Juve the past two years has been incredible. At only 21 he's a serious candidate for one of the best midfielders in the world. He has high class for a box-to-box mid, he's super strong physically, great shot, excellent work rate. No wonder all big European powerhouses are in line to sign him. Juve truly hit the jackpot with him.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Oct 20 2014, 10:57 PM
+1
Posted by: Forza Milan! Oct 22 2014, 11:39 PM
Me and x-off never said that he would implode the squad, we always said that we'd still expect him to win the league comfortably should their management be able to keep the core of the team together which they did. So I personally still think that they'll steamroll through this league without much problems, whether it's Allegri, Mourinho or the 3 stooges that is coaching them
Like I said, at this point I'm mostly interested to see if Allegri can go one step further in the CL than Conte ever did with them because that's the area where they can really achieve something note worthy as they've already hit and broken through the ceiling domestically
Looks like CL is not going all that well for them. Olympiacos is a good team and they were playing at home, but I expected Juve to do better.
In general, IMHO it would be very hard for any Juve coach not to dominate Serie A right now, so the fact that Juve is winning is not a big surprise. The question is what will happen in 1-2 years.
As for the comparison with Man U, I do not believe it is relevant. Juve is a solid team, Conte left it in very good shape. Looks to me like Man U was falling apart, and was being held together by Ferguson. Also, Juve has little competition in Serie A, while Man U faces intense competition in EP.
Posted by: Danny Oct 23 2014, 12:50 AM
He'd be brilliant today if not for his mistakes and injuries.
Don't agree. Until we see him 'hitting the jackpot' v Chelsea and not just Cesena, he's nothing more than overhyped promise who can't do it on the big stage.
Posted by: Danny Oct 23 2014, 12:50 AM
He'd be brilliant today if not for his mistakes and injuries.
Don't agree. Until we see him 'hitting the jackpot' v Chelsea and not just Cesena, he's nothing more than overhyped promise who can't do it on the big stage.
Posted by: X-Offender Oct 26 2014, 01:47 AM
Sampdoria 0-0 Roma
If we win tomorrow we're 3rd.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 26 2014, 03:51 AM
Pogba's definitely the best prospect in football right now. He's had some good games against the other top Serie A sides too. He was very good at the World Cup too.
As for hitting the jackpot, they signed him for nothing and will get a minimum 30m for him. I think that's what X-Off meant.
Posted by: han2503 Oct 26 2014, 09:59 AM
If we win tomorrow we're 3rd.
Yep, Samp are really solid this season, really interested to see how long they'll be able to keep this up.
Hopefully we don't ruin this chance we've been given to not only take 3rd but claw back 5 points on Roma within the span of 3 weeks.
As for hitting the jackpot, they signed him for nothing and will get a minimum 30m for him. I think that's what X-Off meant.
Agreed, and 30m wouldn't even cut half of what Juve will set his price imo, they're not us, they know how to get the best price for their best players.
Posted by: Danny Oct 26 2014, 10:32 AM
He was a flop at the world cup! Well...not flop, just not impressive.
Best prospect in football? Like I say, till he does it against Olympiakos and not just lesser Serie A teams I'm not convinced.
Guess we hit the jackpot with Honda then!
Posted by: Danny Oct 26 2014, 10:38 AM
When was the last time Juve sold a player for 15M+?
Last time they got 11M was Matri to idiotic us, but you have to go back to summer 2011 for the last time they got 15M. Diego.
This is not a club who make big money on big transfers at all. Mainly because they tend to keep them!
Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 26 2014, 10:50 AM
It's been a while. Though they were rebuilding for a while. Even Diego they spent 25m for the year before they sold him for 15m!
Posted by: han2503 Oct 26 2014, 10:53 AM
Last time they got 11M was Matri to idiotic us, but you have to go back to summer 2011 for the last time they got 15M. Diego.
This is not a club who make big money on big transfers at all. Mainly because they tend to keep them!
That's the point, they usually keep their best players, but when they do sell their best assets they make sure to get the best money out of them
They were the first side to sell a player for big money: Zidane. And rebuilt an entire team with that money
Posted by: Danny Oct 26 2014, 12:05 PM
Well kindly give me the last time they sold a player for 15M+ other than Diego?
Er, no, that was just the latest in a long line of transfer fee increases. Figo preceded that, along with Crespo and Vieri, in the 30 millions.
The first side to sell a player for big money? Technically Torino with Lentini to us for 13M in the early 90s.
Posted by: han2503 Oct 26 2014, 01:54 PM
Er, no, that was just the latest in a long line of transfer fee increases. Figo preceded that, along with Crespo and Vieri, in the 30 millions.
The first side to sell a player for big money? Technically Torino with Lentini to us for 13M in the early 90s.
Zidane wasn't just in the 30m range though. At the time it was record breaking and held that stance for a while until recently when Real, City and Chelsea started throwing money around like it's nothing.
And again, I can't really give you a list because Juve rarely sell their best players (calciopoli year aside), but when they did it, the did it very well.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 26 2014, 08:17 PM
Figo was 40m+ pretty sure.
Posted by: han2503 Oct 26 2014, 10:43 PM
Do you know how much Zidane was sold for? I know Juve got 2 or 3 top players back then with the money they sold him for, Buffon being one of them, don't know if Nedved was also purchased with that Zidane money
Posted by: han2503 Oct 26 2014, 10:54 PM
Just did some research
They sold Zidane for 64.6m euros in the summer of 2001.
And in that same transfer window they got Buffon, Thuram and Nedved
Salas and Zenoni were also brought in for a total of 154,95m euros, as per transfermarkt
In that summer they sold both Zidane and Inzaghi (to us) (64.6m for Zidane and 32.5m for Pippo)
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/juventus-fc/transfers/verein/506?saison_id=2001&pos=&detailpos=
Posted by: Danny Oct 27 2014, 12:01 AM
Yes, Zidane cost £48M, this is not a revelation. Point is, Figo was £36M - so while it was a new record, these records became meaningless as soon as the £30M barrier was broken.
tbh they became meaningless when Francis became the first £1M player.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 27 2014, 12:35 AM
Transfer fees should be abolished. This is where US sports are lightyears ahead of this sport.
Posted by: X-Offender Oct 27 2014, 12:49 AM
Imagine if that happened...
Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 27 2014, 01:04 AM
If they go the US, it would be great. Contracts mean something, trading makes it fair for lesser teams.
Never gonna happen though. Gotta protect the money teams!
Posted by: han2503 Oct 27 2014, 08:59 AM
tbh they became meaningless when Francis became the first £1M player.
The Zidane record fee held on for a while though, I think Ronaldo to Real broke it (Kaka was slightly lower than that)
But the point is, this was in 2001, and when they did sell their best player, they got great money for him and rebuilt a team with it
Bare in mind this was a Moggi run Juve, this new management has taken a bit of time to really get into the swing of things but they've been making some great deals these last 3 years or so
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 27 2014, 12:32 PM
And again, I can't really give you a list because Juve rarely sell their best players (calciopoli year aside), but when they did it, the did it very well.
Vieri, Zidane and Inzaghi being the best examples. Indeed.
They sold Zidane for 64.6m euros in the summer of 2001.
And in that same transfer window they got Buffon, Thuram and Nedved
Salas and Zenoni were also brought in for a total of 154,95m euros, as per transfermarkt
Yeah, but Figo's transfer started the whole trend.
Posted by: Danny Oct 27 2014, 04:29 PM
No, Kaka broke it by £8M. For a week till they signed Ron!
Like we did with Kaka! In fact, we did better than Juve - we sold a declining Kaka and got almost £60M for him ha!
Debatable. They're trash in Europe, and they're only in control of Serie A because the league is thoroughly weak.
Posted by: X-Offender Oct 27 2014, 04:40 PM
Juve were trash in Europe under Capello as well. They were only good under Lippi in recent times.
Posted by: han2503 Oct 27 2014, 05:55 PM
Debatable. They're trash in Europe, and they're only in control of Serie A because the league is thoroughly weak.
We did nothing with that money, so the joke is on us fans
Pirlo, Vidal, Pogba, Tevez, Llorente, etc were all great deals
They could easily get more than a 100m if they sold both Pogba and Vidal, they got both for around 10 to 15m
Posted by: X-Offender Oct 27 2014, 08:53 PM
Nothing is a stretch. We balanced the books...
Posted by: Danny Oct 27 2014, 10:12 PM
Yes, you have to go back to 2003 for the last time Juve were a genuine force at that level, and of course they lost to us in the CL final. This was the beginning of Serie A's decline tbh and the only rebelling against that decline was Milan.
Posted by: han2503 Oct 27 2014, 10:15 PM
Nothing was done for the team, yes the money went into the company, but we had a rapidly deteriorating side at that time and had lost Kaka, and replaced him with Huntelaar to play him on the wing...
Posted by: han2503 Oct 27 2014, 10:20 PM
I don't think that's when Serie A started to decline tbh. Up until Calciopoli it was still a major force in Europe, not to mention created a world cup winning NT (mostly built out of the Juve side you're criticising)
After that, the demise started to happen, with Juve out of the way and Inter walking to consecutive titles with no competition in site, situations in the stadiums rapidly deteriorating, UEFA Cup sides didn't give a p!ss about that competition while the Germans were dominating in it to sneak that 4th spot casually from under Italy while their sides weren't great shakes in the CL during that time. Then the whole "FFP" thing and money troubles. It's just a hailstorm of sh!t that culminated after 2006
Yes we flew the flag proudly for a while but even we have struggled to maintain any sort of half decent record in that competition since we won it
Posted by: X-Offender Oct 27 2014, 10:21 PM
I was being sarcastic.
Posted by: han2503 Oct 27 2014, 10:21 PM
Use a smiley next time
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Oct 27 2014, 10:21 PM
Tommasi spoke recently after the defeats to Juve and Roma in the CL, pointing towards a lack of project. He was referring to Serie A clubs in favor of short term solutions vs the longer term. And that instead of clubs placing the blame on TV rights and stadium ownerships, he says clubs should give more room to their respective youth teams to make the progression instead of bringing in a foreigner.
He gave reference to Madrid and Barcelona and how they tripled their income vs the reduction in that of Serie A. Which IMHO should not be classified as a peer comparison. He then referred to wages in Italy averaging 90% of income, while Bundeslia averages at 50%.
Teams in Serie A need to focus on a longer term vision to go back to where they were ten years ago, as of now Portugal is close to Italy's coefficient. Clubs in Serie A don't give youth a chance because of the risks involved.
My opinion is not far off, other Serie A clubs need to start taking a project to help build a new generation for Italy's NT and Italy's domestic quality. Yet that goes hand in hand with 'support', whereby the Italian govt needs to promote this league, without its support, Italian teams will be hard-pressed to stay afloat.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Oct 30 2014, 03:11 AM
http://youtu.be/q9S_Rn766q4
Posted by: Danny Oct 30 2014, 04:27 AM
FFS stop splitting hairs. Calciopoli was 3 years later. I wasn't being pedantic, I was saying roughly in the first half of the noughties.
Yes we flew the flag proudly for a while but even we have struggled to maintain any sort of half decent record in that competition since we won it
I didn't say otherwise?
Posted by: han2503 Oct 30 2014, 09:23 AM
Isn't it great that Antonini had to be the one to do it? Love it!!
Although he did almost botch it, which is typical of him
I didn't say otherwise?
Not splitting hairs, up until that point the Italian teams were still a major force, even after the 03 final.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 30 2014, 12:03 PM
But it's not about being pedantic at all. You said 2003 was the beginning of the decline - but on what grounds?
Posted by: acid911 Oct 30 2014, 12:47 PM
Maybe because of the rise of the EPL?
That coincided with that time frame. And prior to that Serie A was the proving ground for a lot of the talent that went onto become icons. After that, not as much. That is, when you compare it with the past few decades prior to that.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 30 2014, 12:52 PM
http://zippy.gfycat.com/MajorGrayAidi.webm
Nice.
Posted by: X-Offender Oct 30 2014, 12:54 PM
I wouldn't say Italy is below France. Take any team other than PSG and Juve or Roma can beat them. For example, Fiorentina beat Guingamp in the EL a few weeks ago. Same argument for Portugal. Head on, Juve and Roma are stronger than Porto, Sporting and Benfica. Only Porto could prove a real challenge. The other Portuguese teams are a joke.
But the mere fact that we're contemplating whether Serie A is superior to Ligue 1 and and the Portuguese league says it all how far Serie A has fallen.
Posted by: Danny Oct 30 2014, 01:11 PM
It was the last time Serie A had 3 teams in the semifinals. It summed up the peak of the league and the begin of its decline - slowly but surely after that Spain and England took over completely and by 2008, following the final embers of Italian quality (us winning CL) Serie A was nowhere.
Inter was of course a big freaky exception in 2010, but aside them no Italian side even made the semis between 2008-present.
From the league dominating CL in 2003 to being nowhere in 2014, the signs are there.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Nov 1 2014, 10:34 PM
Parma, who only had just 3 points till tonight, manhandling Inter
Too bad Napoli won.
Posted by: X-Offender Nov 2 2014, 12:48 AM
Still, if we win tomorrow, we could be only 3 points from second place. Another failure at this point would be inexcusable.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 2 2014, 02:10 AM
Inexcusable? At this point, hardly. But yes, it's a good opportunity and it shouldn't be missed.
Posted by: han2503 Nov 2 2014, 09:58 AM
Yes it is. We're playing against Palermo! Another just promoted side like Empoli who we also lost 2 points against.
No matter where we are in our progression, we shouldn't be losing points to these teams, I can accept losing to Juve and Roma, drawing against Inter/Napoli but I cannot accept that we're losing regular points against bottom level sides. For me, that's inexcusable. We could easily find ourselves back in the bottom half of the table if we don't win and other results don't go our way.
Had we taken our chances against Fiorentina and Cagliari, we could be looking at a chance to come level with Roma this weekend.
Posted by: Danny Nov 9 2014, 11:33 PM
It's so warped. Juve today absolutely destroyed Parma 7-0. Head and shoulders above anything else in Serie A but cannot dent the CL. They're 50/50 to get to the KO stage but 5 points dropped all season domestically shows how weird they/Serie A is right now.
Meanwhile we're 7th, and barely deserving of it.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Nov 10 2014, 01:10 PM
Think its more to do with expectations. A measure of capacity and capability; ie reality.
These teams, Palermo, Sampdoria, Empoli, etc .. They play Milan as if it was a CL tie. They treat the Juve and inter games respectively the same. Assuming we have better history or better individuals is an automatic win against such teams is nieve IMHO.
An example is in the match threads, the first posts has our stats against these teams, ehich portray something distorted, as those results we collected in the past against these teams is not in line with what our potential is today. Such, if this was Ancelotti's Milan then that is a different measure all together.
Hence why Pippo is soon to be proclaimed an idiot.
Posted by: X-Offender Nov 10 2014, 06:33 PM
Meanwhile we're 7th, and barely deserving of it.
Don't dismiss Roma. They're also very strong. Discount the two Bayern games. They're too green at the moment to compete against such heavyweights like Bayern or Madrid. But with time they'll only get better and better. Because they have an actual plan, unlike what some people want to make us believe about Milan.
Posted by: X-Offender Nov 14 2014, 12:08 PM
Mancini is the new Inter coach.
EDIT: It's not official yet.
Posted by: acid911 Nov 14 2014, 12:43 PM
Good for them. If it happens, that is.
Posted by: Danny Nov 14 2014, 01:54 PM
He might make them mediocre again. Which is a serious threat to our 8th place ambitions.
Posted by: X-Offender Nov 14 2014, 03:28 PM
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