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post Nov 28 2017, 09:53 AM
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All in all I think it was the right decision. But sadly IMO Milan's situation is much more complex and dire. It's not just the coach.
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 28 2017, 04:23 PM) *
All in all I think it was the right decision. But sadly IMO Milan's situation is much more complex and dire. It's not just the coach.


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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 28 2017, 09:53 AM) *
All in all I think it was the right decision. But sadly IMO Milan's situation is much more complex and dire. It's not just the coach.


It's the mentality. That hasn't changed yet

Look at Inter. With just a few questionable additions from last season (Skrinar, Vecino, Borja Valero etc.) they've completely turned the tables and keep on winning game after game. Why? Because Spalletti was able to do what the previous coaches weren't able to, i.e. get the best out of their players.

A capable coach is key, especially when you're re-building from scratch. Keeping Montella this summer was a big mistake.
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post Nov 28 2017, 01:41 PM
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I think, at the very least, Gattuso will light a fire under the players. He can be a motivator, and I have read that when he was coaching Pisa I believe he had a consistently impressive defense. We need to start somewhere, our defense is our strongest unit so I think he will turn good for us. Hopefully, he can bring the best out of this group.

When you watch us play, everything seems so lazy. No movement no one making runs. I think if Gattuso sees that he will rip someone's head off. That is the main hope of course
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 27 2017, 06:20 PM) *
Weren't you positive that we would get better with time? That we'd have to be patient with Montella? Changed your mind at last?


True, until I saw that the squad didn't react after the wins vs Chievo and Austria. From that moment I saw that we need something to change even if that meant for us to get a less competent tactican than Montella. I think Gattuso can keep the spirit up until the end of the season, even though I think we might just become more caotic.
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I hope he at least makes better player selections.
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post Nov 29 2017, 09:03 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 26 2017, 04:16 PM) *
A crucial problems lies within Montella. I'm not sure if we're holding onto him for just this season, but I'm pretty sure that had we got rid of him at the beginning Milan would have been in a much better competitive position. Now it's September and we're practically out of all chances to play the CL (unless we win the Europa League, which is quite unlikely - we're probably get run over by BVB or someone else).

Thankfully he’s gone now. Sometimes it’s the coach, other times it’s the players and sometimes it’s a combination of both. But this time I really have to lay the blame at his feet.

Maldini03 said it best about his constant nonsensical changes. I just do not get why he kept changing things around in each game. He wasted the entire pre-season doing this and then continued well into the season without knowing his best 11 and formation to suit that 11.

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 26 2017, 04:16 PM) *
Montella is missing to inspire and move our players both individually and collectively. Not able to find the best spots for certain (important) players, not able to find the right team mentality and goals. Also not able to let the team play well, organize a thought-through intelligent gameplan. IMO he has to go and we gotta find a interim coach for the rest of the season. Panucci, Brocchi or whoever. I don't care. Montella simply has lost it.

I really do think these players are much better than they look now. I think someone like Rino will definitely inspire more out of them, I just question his tactical know how.

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 26 2017, 04:16 PM) *
But on top of this I think other problems pop out as well. I know some of you guys will jump to the argument that this is a brand new team, 10 players, bla bla bla... But I've watched football too long now to know that there's always more then just one problem or angle. Yes, this is a new team. Yes, the coach failed in producing the necessary cohesion. But I also think our transfer campaign failed miserably.
I'm not the one to gloat or shout "I told you so", but I was for the most part right I think (and so was Danny). Bonucci is a special case, I think he'll be regaining form and will turn into a real asset for us in the future - that is if we have one. But the other buys turned out very unimpressive. Musacchio is solid, but shaky for the experience he has; should have. Rodriguez is a good option and probably by far our best catch.

I still disagree about the transfer campaign, and for me, the one major blunder is still Kalinic, but I still feel like the rest have heaps of talent and are all still so young that they’ll come good if coached right. Kalinic is simply not clicking with his team mates. And this from a striker who over the years has shown that he can be a great team player and is more of a team contributor than he is a goal scorer. Maybe this is just a general problem with the tactics Montella was deploying, which were leaving our strikers isolated and trying to scrounge for scraps, but Kalinic had chances on Sunday which he proceeded to squander, thus getting the fans on his back as well now. I think Cutrone and Silva work much better together from what I’ve seen so far also.
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 26 2017, 04:16 PM) *
Kessie whom I expected great things is rapidly turning into a "Kondogbia buy" for us. A "jack of all trades" player who IMO has little room to improve and become good in modern football. Calhanoglou is exactly how I remember him from the Leverkusen days - a typical product of Balkan mentality - talented, very gifted but lazy, moody and completely unpredictable. Biglia IMO was a fair shot and might turn out okay just yet, but I do fear that he's past his prime and not really up to it.

Disagree about Kessie. And this coming from someone who has also been very critical of him. I don’t think he’s being used correctly and I also think that Montella has placed too much responsibility on his shoulders. If Rino switches to a 3-4-3 (which I’ve seen some rumblings of we can play a Biglia-Monto/Loca tandem in the centre of the midfield thus relieving Kessie for certain games. He’s been one of our most used players and a bit of a reality check plus res will do him a world of wonder imo

Hakan for me is still a question mark. He’s been used sporadically and each time he’s occupying different roles and positions in the team. I’d really like to see more of him but that depends on what formation Rino will be using. The next game against Benevento will be really interesting in this regard

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Andre Silva (although too soon to assess) is also raising some serious questions. Just like I warned, Silva is reproducing his Portugal form - scoring against the various Austria Wien and Rijeka teams, while at the same time not scoring a single goal in the league.

I actually think Andre is the most talented player we signed this window, it’s just that at this point in time it’s still mostly all raw talent. He displays so much skill on the ball, he awareness and movement actually remind me of Sheva. But we all tend to forget that he’s still so young, just like Kessie. Also, he’s been used very sparsely in the league while he started in all the EL games. So of course he’s have better numbers in that competition. It will be really interesting to see him develop because I really think he’ll come good under the right guidance.
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 26 2017, 04:16 PM) *
To be fair, Montella created several problems by himself (sidelining Bacca and now suffering the consequences with a roster of inferior attackers). Yet in the end our bold transfer campaign misfired: I fear that on top of Montella obviously not being the kind of coach that will make us thrive, we've not managed to hit the right mixture, the right balance of players and we still lack the same components we're lacking for years (only perhaps in smaller doses).

Really? Bacca?
Bacca was awful last season, and he certainly wouldn’t have performed any better than what our strikers are doing now had he still been with us. Last season he was lazy, petulant and his characteristics simply don’t fit into what we want. Cutrone is just as deadly a poacher as he is, works his @ss off and is a much better all rounder while also keeping his head down and not complaining about everything.
Montella created problems for himself during pre-season, that’s how long this has been coming.

Just look at the back 3 for a simple example. Why has he been changing that back 3 for practically each game we’ve played? One day it’s Zapata, the next it’s Musacchio, another time he starts Rodriguez and so on and so fourth. Just makes no sense! Stick to your best 3, which are Bonucci, Romagnoli and Musacchio, and when there is an injury or suspension replace them with the second best option it’s only logic. And why does the left sided CB need to be a lefty? I don’t get that obsession either. Many teams who play with a back 3 don’t always play a left on the left of the 3, but when Romagnoli is out Rodriguez replaces him, because god forbid Zapata or Musacchio are shifted to that side.
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 28 2017, 12:29 PM) *
It's the mentality. That hasn't changed yet

Look at Inter. With just a few questionable additions from last season (Skrinar, Vecino, Borja Valero etc.) they've completely turned the tables and keep on winning game after game. Why? Because Spalletti was able to do what the previous coaches weren't able to, i.e. get the best out of their players.

A capable coach is key, especially when you're re-building from scratch. Keeping Montella this summer was a big mistake.

THIS!

And I wouldn't even categorize Spalletti under the master tactician cap either, but he seems to have clicked completely with that Inter side and they've been absolutely lethal this season

Re Montella; well with hindsight we can always say that it was a mistake. But in the summer we were all for keeping him. Why? Because he had done well the previous season, we wanted the continuity that we haven't had for a while now and he was getting his team early, which meant time to get the wheel turning smoothly

Sadly he wasted pre-season, and he's just allowed the situation to spiral out of his control. The players are clearly unhappy and that has showed on the pitch for a while now.


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Dear han,

Our best back 3 is

--Zapta--Bonucci---Romagnoli----


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QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Nov 30 2017, 10:46 AM) *
Dear han,

Our best back 3 is

--Zapta--Bonucci---Romagnoli----


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Zapata is a constant mistake waiting to happen

He's proven this time and time again over the years. Sorry, he's a decent stopper but the mistakes outweigh all that

Musacchio is simply another victim of the constant rotation deployed under Montella. Overall he's much better and more reliable than Zapata

Zapata is good to have as the direct back up for both Musacchio and Romagnoli though. He's just not to be trusted in a consistent starting role because he will make you regret it
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 29 2017, 11:03 PM) *
Thankfully he’s gone now. Sometimes it’s the coach, other times it’s the players and sometimes it’s a combination of both. But this time I really have to lay the blame at his feet.

I rather think it's a combination. I've said it numerous times, half of our team is simply inflicted with loser mentality and a altogether negative attitude that goes way further then just Montella.

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I really do think these players are much better than they look now. I think someone like Rino will definitely inspire more out of them, I just question his tactical know how.

I'm not so sure. I think we're all overvaluing players like Bonaventura or the (already gone) De Sciglio. These players never even played the CL for God's sake! If we want to seriously step up we have to, step by step, replace our current "leaders" with real ones. Look at PSG for example. They were a mediocre team at first with two gems - Nene who was their creative alpha and omega (plus a veteran Giuly) and Hoarau as a poacher. Already in the second season of the big takeover both were ready to be replaced by bigger names; in came players like Lavezzi, Menez, etc. Then next season these guys were also ready to be replaced by Cavani, Lucas, etc. We have to start doing that. I'm telling you, Bonaventura is a good player but he's (IMO) a classic jack of all trades - solid shooting, solid passing, solid free kicks, solid accuracy, etc - but none of these characteristics is at top level nor will it ever be. We should stop breaking our head with solutions of how to integrate these kinds of former leaders in our team and coming this winter and next summer we should ship them off and get younger, greedier, more talented and more ambitious players.

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I still disagree about the transfer campaign, and for me, the one major blunder is still Kalinic, but I still feel like the rest have heaps of talent and are all still so young that they’ll come good if coached right. Kalinic is simply not clicking with his team mates. And this from a striker who over the years has shown that he can be a great team player and is more of a team contributor than he is a goal scorer. Maybe this is just a general problem with the tactics Montella was deploying, which were leaving our strikers isolated and trying to scrounge for scraps, but Kalinic had chances on Sunday which he proceeded to squander, thus getting the fans on his back as well now. I think Cutrone and Silva work much better together from what I’ve seen so far also.

I think we did a lot of business but it's evident that we didn't hit the right balance. Not all the blame should go on Montella. Clearly he had one vision of the team and our transfer moves and the signings we made enabled a completely different vision. All I'm saying is that we didn't hit the right mix. Kalinić is a fail and we should have kept Bacca because he's better then Kalinić, with all his downsides. Biglia is another mistake. Keeping Montolivo and adding Hakan yet another. Etc etc.

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Disagree about Kessie. And this coming from someone who has also been very critical of him. I don’t think he’s being used correctly and I also think that Montella has placed too much responsibility on his shoulders. If Rino switches to a 3-4-3 (which I’ve seen some rumblings of we can play a Biglia-Monto/Loca tandem in the centre of the midfield thus relieving Kessie for certain games. He’s been one of our most used players and a bit of a reality check plus res will do him a world of wonder imo

Perhaps. I give you that. But so far he hasn't played one consistently good game, yet managed to make serious mistakes. He also lacks intelligence and technique, which is worrisome IMO.

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Hakan for me is still a question mark. He’s been used sporadically and each time he’s occupying different roles and positions in the team. I’d really like to see more of him but that depends on what formation Rino will be using. The next game against Benevento will be really interesting in this regard

Simply put - Hakan is a waste of time. I've been there, I've seen enough of him in the Buliga and know that now he's doing just that. He's the kind of player that never let's you think he's complete garbage because he'll do a trick or two, make a spectacular game and be saved by the bell. But he's unreliable, he's lazy, moody and completely inadequate for an ambitious team.

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Really? Bacca?
Bacca was awful last season, and he certainly wouldn’t have performed any better than what our strikers are doing now had he still been with us. Last season he was lazy, petulant and his characteristics simply don’t fit into what we want. Cutrone is just as deadly a poacher as he is, works his @ss off and is a much better all rounder while also keeping his head down and not complaining about everything.
Montella created problems for himself during pre-season, that’s how long this has been coming.

Bacca was bad, yet managed to score a couple of goals. And Bacca was mostly bad because he has been sidelined by Montella and labeled as not suitable for his system. Okay, he behaved like a crybaby. But did Montella's "new" system ever work in that regard? No. Did we find a suitable substitution for Bacca? No. And finally, are Cutrone, Kalinić, Lapadula, etc. better then Bacca? No. Sorry. My logic is that unless you have a better option at hand or unless you are able to sign a better player - you should stick to the one that is best and you already have.

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Kalinic was a mistake from the get go, I think we can all agree there.

The deal is that once we started signing players left and right we sort of hoped that all these new players would help us turn the tide. I remember I was completely against signing Biglia in the beginning. But once we signed 6-7 players I thought Biglia would be nice addition.

And this is where the problem lies. We signed way too many players none of which can be considered top material. Instead, we should have focused on signing 5-6 top players. We went for quantity over quality, and that was Fassone and Mirabelli's mistake.

Musacchio, Kessie, Rodriguez. All very good signing IMO. Next should have been a Fabregas in midfield, a quality left winger and a top striker. Why spend almost 70M for Hakan and Silva when we could have spent that money + Niang for Belotti? And part of the 45M for Bonucci could have very well been spent for a left winger.
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