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post Sep 20 2017, 10:07 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 20 2017, 08:44 PM) *
http://www.stream2watch.cc/livenow/soccer/...pal-live-stream

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QUOTE (Danny @ Sep 21 2017, 06:05 AM) *
Say it like it is mate. Neither of them were penalties.

We'd probably have upped our game and scored outright but that was a cheap way to beat a rubbish team.

Silva was shocking tonight - he can score in the diddy cup but Serie A seems beyond him.

Defence wasn't too bad - Zaps was the weak link though.

Overall easy enough - Spal didn't have anything to offer and while it was a nasty way to win, we would probably have won anyway.

We've much tougher challenges ahead but these are the ones you have to win.


Agreed. A win is a win and I'll gladly take it. Silva is having problem with tight defences. Hopefully, as he continues to adapt to Serie A he'll learn to handle them.
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post Sep 20 2017, 10:57 PM
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QUOTE (amancik @ Sep 20 2017, 10:29 PM) *
Agreed. A win is a win and I'll gladly take it. Silva is having problem with tight defences. Hopefully, as he continues to adapt to Serie A he'll learn to handle them.


I think he and Kalinic are far far too similar to play together tbh. I was a little puzzled by that selection. I was curious to see how Suso would handle the number 9 role too v Udine and he struggled hugely with it.

I truly feel to have a duo up top we need two foils. Two players who compliment each other. Suso cannot sit behind Kalinic because it's not natural for him to sit behind anyone. He is a pure winger, simple as. He can't therefore sit behind anyone IMO.

It's odd but I'd probably have Cutrone and Kalinic for now - just to try it out. Kalinic surprised me v Udine - he looked hungry and while his first two goals were cr*p, his third near-onside was excellent. I think he can do the muscle work and compliment Cutrone, who seems to have randomly lost his place in the past few games.
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post Sep 20 2017, 11:04 PM
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So far Milan won 9 out of 10 games, with 6 clean sheets and 25 goals scored.
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QUOTE (Danny @ Sep 20 2017, 10:05 PM) *
Say it like it is mate. Neither of them were penalties.

We'd probably have upped our game and scored outright but that was a cheap way to beat a rubbish team.

Silva was shocking tonight - he can score in the diddy cup but Serie A seems beyond him.

Defence wasn't too bad - Zaps was the weak link though.

Overall easy enough - Spal didn't have anything to offer and while it was a nasty way to win, we would probably have won anyway.

We've much tougher challenges ahead but these are the ones you have to win.

I think the first one was as Kalinic touched the ball first then the keeper stuck his hand out, Kalinic made it look a bit fake with the over acting on the fall though.

Funny you single out Silva. I thought he was good in all the build up, much more involved than Kalinic actually. I think there's an overall problem with the attack atm. They're all having trouble integrating, it's just a matter of Montella finding the right combination, system and positioning for them. Suso and Bona have looked very ineffective in these last 2 games. I think they both need to play the wider areas. Hakan seems confused about what he should be doing, for me he's an AM, he's not a central midfielder of a winger. Silva and Kalinic can co-exist, the problem yesterday was the support from midfield was lacking. For me if you're going to play Hakan and 2 strikers, you have to play him behind them and not in the midfield as he was yesterday. Both strikers struggled to get on the ball in dangerous areas.

Zapata is always a problem, one way or another, I do not understand his inclusion over Gomez when Montella wants to rest Musacchio

I personally don't like that we won this off of 2 questionable penalty calls. They still should have done more, it felt like they were playing on 2nd gear and were just happy to stay there all game long

QUOTE (Danny @ Sep 20 2017, 10:06 PM) *
A 20 year old can handle it. If he was maybe 5 years older I'd understand your concern, but he's young.

Disagree, he's played all the games so far and that will catch up to him as we get deeper into the season. He should have been rested today or in one of the EL games. Add to that, I don't like the fact that a 20 year who imo has blown very hot and cold has zero competition for his place.

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I'm having an absolute nightmare with streams this season. I just never get one that works. And when they vaguely do, they buffer constantly.

What's your connection speed though? The one I gave Fillipo ran smoothly for me

QUOTE (amancik @ Sep 20 2017, 10:29 PM) *
Agreed. A win is a win and I'll gladly take it. Silva is having problem with tight defences. Hopefully, as he continues to adapt to Serie A he'll learn to handle them.

I don't think it's just Silva with the problem. I think all our attackers are struggling a bit atm, Suso was on fire a couple of matches ago and since we've switched to a back 3 he's gone completely quiet. Montella needs to work more at getting the best attacking combo to click

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I think he and Kalinic are far far too similar to play together tbh. I was a little puzzled by that selection. I was curious to see how Suso would handle the number 9 role too v Udine and he struggled hugely with it.

I truly feel to have a duo up top we need two foils. Two players who compliment each other. Suso cannot sit behind Kalinic because it's not natural for him to sit behind anyone. He is a pure winger, simple as. He can't therefore sit behind anyone IMO.

It's odd but I'd probably have Cutrone and Kalinic for now - just to try it out. Kalinic surprised me v Udine - he looked hungry and while his first two goals were cr*p, his third near-onside was excellent. I think he can do the muscle work and compliment Cutrone, who seems to have randomly lost his place in the past few games.

Sorry Danny but Cutrone is in no way ready to be a starter. You say that Silva can only score against diddy teams but Cutrone's goals have also all come against weak opposition. Fact is, the team in general is struggling to break down teams, this is not just about the individual strikers

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So far Milan won 9 out of 10 games, with 6 clean sheets and 25 goals scored.

And 12 points accumulated within the first 5 weeks in Serie A is the best record we've managed to achieve since 2003
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QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Sep 20 2017, 11:08 PM) *
The one on Kessie wasnt soft at all. Even Felipe knew it.

I haven't seen the first half, but the Kessie penalty was very soft.
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post Sep 21 2017, 11:37 AM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 21 2017, 09:09 AM) *
I think the first one was as Kalinic touched the ball first then the keeper stuck his hand out, Kalinic made it look a bit fake with the over acting on the fall though.


There was no contact! Absolutely none! Kalinic anticipated it and fell, and it didn't actually happen.

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Funny you single out Silva. I thought he was good in all the build up, much more involved than Kalinic actually. I think there's an overall problem with the attack atm. They're all having trouble integrating, it's just a matter of Montella finding the right combination, system and positioning for them. Suso and Bona have looked very ineffective in these last 2 games. I think they both need to play the wider areas. Hakan seems confused about what he should be doing, for me he's an AM, he's not a central midfielder of a winger. Silva and Kalinic can co-exist, the problem yesterday was the support from midfield was lacking. For me if you're going to play Hakan and 2 strikers, you have to play him behind them and not in the midfield as he was yesterday. Both strikers struggled to get on the ball in dangerous areas.


I agree Cal is an AM. No one in their right mind would see him as anything else tbh!

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Zapata is always a problem, one way or another, I do not understand his inclusion over Gomez when Montella wants to rest Musacchio


Zaps is ok as a beta in a partnership, but cannot work in a three. As for Gomez, absolute garbage player - we tried to get rid of him and failed. Montella doesn't want him.

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I personally don't like that we won this off of 2 questionable penalty calls. They still should have done more, it felt like they were playing on 2nd gear and were just happy to stay there all game long


Don't disagree. Very cheap way to win.

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Disagree, he's played all the games so far and that will catch up to him as we get deeper into the season. He should have been rested today or in one of the EL games. Add to that, I don't like the fact that a 20 year who imo has blown very hot and cold has zero competition for his place.


Again, call the spade what it is - he's been poor. From a titan in the pre-season stuff, he's become absolutely powderpuff in the league and even in the UEL. So far he's looking utterly lost. And I wouldn't say he lacks competition - Biglia could take his place, as could Monto - it's just that he's an absolute first team starter and that's the issue.

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200Mb (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) nah, I've had issues with the sites this season, and with Kodi too. It's been a mare. I'll have a look at that site you gave him though, see if it helps next time I need it. Thankfully till the end of October all Rangers and Milan matches are on TV in the UK - only one isn't is I think Chievo next month?

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Sorry Danny but Cutrone is in no way ready to be a starter. You say that Silva can only score against diddy teams but Cutrone's goals have also all come against weak opposition. Fact is, the team in general is struggling to break down teams, this is not just about the individual strikers


No, I said Silva could only score in the Diddy cup, not against diddy teams. Much more valuable to score an important goal v Crotone or Spal or Udi in Serie A than it is to get a fourth goal v Vienna in the consolation cup.

And we didn't struggle to break down Udine? Also find it interesting you dismiss him as a starter yet half our first team are mostly the same age range as him (Conti, Kessie, Silva) yet you've no issue with them as starters? I do sense some snobbiness beginning about him purely because we didn't sign him from Atalanta.

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And 12 points accumulated within the first 5 weeks in Serie A is the best record we've managed to achieve since 2003


It's a good start on paper. We're not doing it impressively but the proof is in the results. And so far one loss all season and not even a draw is good. It is. We just need to add some conviction to it too.
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post Sep 21 2017, 12:08 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Sep 21 2017, 11:37 AM) *
There was no contact! Absolutely none! Kalinic anticipated it and fell, and it didn't actually happen.

There was slight contact with the keeper's hand, the Kessie one was far worse in terms of ti being non-existent

QUOTE (Danny @ Sep 21 2017, 11:37 AM) *
I agree Cal is an AM. No one in their right mind would see him as anything else tbh!

Yet he's never been played in that position so far this season. He's either been played in the midfield, or on the left wing.

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Zaps is ok as a beta in a partnership, but cannot work in a three. As for Gomez, absolute garbage player - we tried to get rid of him and failed. Montella doesn't want him.

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Gomez was the one who wanted to leave. Milan were the ones asking for a high fee when he was close to going to Turkey, which for me means they didn't want to let him go. Gomez has been good whenever he's been given the chance, I don't get your (once again) overtly exaggerated assessment of him. Plus a back 3 would suite him far more than it does Zapata who is, was and always will be a walking liability

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Don't disagree. Very cheap way to win.

It's worrying for me as the only tough game we've had so far, we got trashed in. While we've been very far from convincing in the rest of the league games aside from Crotone against 10-men

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Again, call the spade what it is - he's been poor. From a titan in the pre-season stuff, he's become absolutely powderpuff in the league and even in the UEL. So far he's looking utterly lost. And I wouldn't say he lacks competition - Biglia could take his place, as could Monto - it's just that he's an absolute first team starter and that's the issue.

I think he's had a few good games since the season has started, I think he was decent yesterday in fact, but he's so inconsistent and his decision making is poor. I guess these are all things that can be overcome with experience but the fact that he has no competition for his place is something that worries me. I don't see either Biglia or Monto taking his place in terms of the role they occupy, both Biglia and Monto are registas he's box-to-box. So while technically you are right in the fact that Montella can drop him and put Monto in instead, I don't think it's that simple as the wouldn't offer the same kind of options as Kessie and I feel like Montella sees this in the same way as well considering that he has rotated all of the players consistently aside from him and Bonucci. To me this shows that he sees them as unique in the roles they play for the team and that there is no real substitute for either

QUOTE (Danny @ Sep 21 2017, 11:37 AM) *
200Mb (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) nah, I've had issues with the sites this season, and with Kodi too. It's been a mare. I'll have a look at that site you gave him though, see if it helps next time I need it. Thankfully till the end of October all Rangers and Milan matches are on TV in the UK - only one isn't is I think Chievo next month?

I just bought an IPTV link. Solved all my problems

QUOTE (Danny @ Sep 21 2017, 11:37 AM) *
No, I said Silva could only score in the Diddy cup, not against diddy teams. Much more valuable to score an important goal v Crotone or Spal or Udi in Serie A than it is to get a fourth goal v Vienna in the consolation cup.

And we didn't struggle to break down Udine? Also find it interesting you dismiss him as a starter yet half our first team are mostly the same age range as him (Conti, Kessie, Silva) yet you've no issue with them as starters? I do sense some snobbiness beginning about him purely because we didn't sign him from Atalanta.

Doesn't matter. Neither have stepped up against tighter defences. And you're making it sound like Cutrone has scored against all those Serie A sides when he's only scored against 10-men Crotone who have been second in line as the whipping boys of the league behind Benevento.

I think we struggled against Udine as well, Kalinic got 2 scrappy goals but aside from that we didn't really open them up that easily aside from the non-offside goal that is.

I don't dismiss Cutrone, the kid has limitations and a lot of growing to do. Kessie, Silva and Conti all have much more experience, Silva has scored in the CL while both Kessie and conti have top notch Serie A seasons under their belts. I think he's talented, but to jump the gun like you have and instantly want him to be an undisputed starter because he scored a couple in what you call the consolation cup and a single goal in the league doesn't make much sense, especially when you dismiss Silva's goal in the same cup
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 21 2017, 12:08 PM) *
There was slight contact with the keeper's hand, the Kessie one was far worse in terms of ti being non-existent


A light brush for me is the same as no contact.

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Gomez was the one who wanted to leave. Milan were the ones asking for a high fee when he was close to going to Turkey, which for me means they didn't want to let him go. Gomez has been good whenever he's been given the chance, I don't get your (once again) overtly exaggerated assessment of him. Plus a back 3 would suite him far more than it does Zapata who is, was and always will be a walking liability


Sorry, but Gomez is garbage. You can take my 'overly exaggerated assessment' and do what you like with it.

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It's worrying for me as the only tough game we've had so far, we got trashed in. While we've been very far from convincing in the rest of the league games aside from Crotone against 10-men


Udi we had moments of good. But overall it was a bit meh. I've been concerned about this regime for quite a few weeks now. For all the cash we've spent, the overiding feeling I get is it's directionless - we're trying to recapture old Milan - well compare this lot with Seedorf, Sheva, Rino etc - it feels nothing like, and it feels nowhere near as good either. Despite being, currently, in a decent position.

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I think he's had a few good games since the season has started, I think he was decent yesterday in fact, but he's so inconsistent and his decision making is poor. I guess these are all things that can be overcome with experience but the fact that he has no competition for his place is something that worries me. I don't see either Biglia or Monto taking his place in terms of the role they occupy, both Biglia and Monto are registas he's box-to-box. So while technically you are right in the fact that Montella can drop him and put Monto in instead, I don't think it's that simple as the wouldn't offer the same kind of options as Kessie and I feel like Montella sees this in the same way as well considering that he has rotated all of the players consistently aside from him and Bonucci. To me this shows that he sees them as unique in the roles they play for the team and that there is no real substitute for either


I've found him utterly patchy and nowhere near as staunch as he was in pre-season. A few good games is not the monstrous midfield force we thought he was.

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Flawless? I bought that one too, but BEIN6 stream wasn't working last night. Which just WASN'T a waste of money (!)

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Doesn't matter.


It really, really, REALLY does. How you do in the league is how you get measured. And Cutrone has been far better than all our strikers bar Kalinic. He's certainly performed better than Silva.

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Neither have stepped up against tighter defences. And you're making it sound like Cutrone has scored against all those Serie A sides when he's only scored against 10-men Crotone who have been second in line as the whipping boys of the league behind Benevento.


Dude, he scored v Cagliari. And he's only played four league matches. Two goals, four matches. One of those matches saw him given absolutely zero service, and the other he got a 20 minute cameo in!

Wow, you are quick to poo poo him.





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I think we struggled against Udine as well, Kalinic got 2 scrappy goals but aside from that we didn't really open them up that easily aside from the non-offside goal that is.


The fact we we scored two goals and a near third does suggest we did ok in that match. Far from great, granted.

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I don't dismiss Cutrone,
Dude, you are. You want Silva in there when he's done f-all in Serie A after 5 matches, while two goals in four for you is not enough for Cutrone?

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the kid has limitations


The player who doesn't have limitations is called Diego Maradona.

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and a lot of growing to do. Kessie, Silva and Conti all have much more experience, Silva has scored in the CL while both Kessie and conti have top notch Serie A seasons under their belts. I think he's talented, but to jump the gun like you have and instantly want him to be an undisputed starter because he scored a couple in what you call the consolation cup and a single goal in the league doesn't make much sense, especially when you dismiss Silva's goal in the same cup


Oh ffs when the f*ck did I say 'undisputed starter'?! When did I even imply it?! Stop making things up mate. I said, clearly, that we have four options up front and we need to use them as and needed. But looking at the facts Silva hasn't performed in Serie A, Kalinic and Cutrone have, and Suso is struggling as a 9.

Take your weird pro-Silva glasses off and look at the reality in front of it. And stop dismissing Cutrone because he's 19!

I guess we can dismiss this down to you having a hard on for Silva, me having one for Cutrone, and a brand new Mexes and Alex argument starting up.

If so, I will actually quit this board for good because it bored me last time.

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QUOTE (Danny @ Sep 21 2017, 03:09 PM) *
Sorry, but Gomez is garbage. You can take my 'overly exaggerated assessment' and do what you like with it.

Coming from someone who rates Zapata, I really don't know what to do with this aside from toss it

QUOTE (Danny @ Sep 21 2017, 03:09 PM) *
Udi we had moments of good. But overall it was a bit meh. I've been concerned about this regime for quite a few weeks now. For all the cash we've spent, the overiding feeling I get is it's directionless - we're trying to recapture old Milan - well compare this lot with Seedorf, Sheva, Rino etc - it feels nothing like, and it feels nowhere near as good either. Despite being, currently, in a decent position.

The same was probably said of that group from most Milan fans when they were comparing it to the preceding great generation of Sacchi or Cappello. Carlo took time to also learn how best to use the bunch he got, let's not forget that Pirlo and Seedorf were both Inter failures when we got them. Rino hadn't been some big name player either. So while Montella is no Carlo, I'm hoping that he can find the right formula. So far he's not instilling me with too much confidence but I'm willing to give him time

QUOTE (Danny @ Sep 21 2017, 03:09 PM) *
I've found him utterly patchy and nowhere near as staunch as he was in pre-season. A few good games is not the monstrous midfield force we thought he was.

like i said, he's young, he won't be perfect all the time, he's had a couple of stinkers and a couple of good games since the season started, I didn't think he was some midfield force, one very good season at Atalanta is not enough to convince me of that, which is why it's concerning for me that there is literally no one on the squad to sub him

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Flawless? I bought that one too, but BEIN6 stream wasn't working last night. Which just WASN'T a waste of money (!)

It depends where you got it from. Mine is from a Maltese retailer and I never have any issues with channels.

I bought another one from a foreign retailer and it's very patchy though

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It really, really, REALLY does. How you do in the league is how you get measured. And Cutrone has been far better than all our strikers bar Kalinic. He's certainly performed better than Silva.

Silva got his FIRST start against SPAL, how can he be better than anyone when he wasn't given a prior chance?

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Dude, he scored v Cagliari. And he's only played four league matches. Two goals, four matches. One of those matches saw him given absolutely zero service, and the other he got a 20 minute cameo in!

Wow, you are quick to poo poo him.

I actually forgot he scored against Cagliari.

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The fact we we scored two goals and a near third does suggest we did ok in that match. Far from great, granted.

2 scrappy goal, one off of a set-piece. I didn't think we were that good vs Udi.

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Dude, you are. You want Silva in there when he's done f-all in Serie A after 5 matches, while two goals in four for you is not enough for Cutrone?

FFS! What do you want him to do in Serie A when he played 1 out of those 5 matches you mention??!! You say I'm making stuff up when you're making it sound like he started all 5 of those games and just sat at the corner flag and drank espresso throughout all of them. My problem with starting Cutrone is not simply about the goals, it's about what he offers, which is not much else. He's Bacca lite, and having just managed to get rid of the original, I don't want to see us being saddled with another tap-in king who hinders the overall game for us


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Oh ffs when the f*ck did I say 'undisputed starter'?! When did I even imply it?! Stop making things up mate. I said, clearly, that we have four options up front and we need to use them as and needed. But looking at the facts Silva hasn't performed in Serie A, Kalinic and Cutrone have, and Suso is struggling as a 9.

Take your weird pro-Silva glasses off and look at the reality in front of it. And stop dismissing Cutrone because he's 19!

I guess we can dismiss this down to you having a hard on for Silva, me having one for Cutrone, and a brand new Mexes and Alex argument starting up.

If so, I will actually quit this board for good because it bored me last time.

You whine every time he's not picked, you always want him to start and you keep saying that he should be starting. How is that not wanting him to be an undisputed starter?

It's not pro-Silva glasses. It's seeing the bigger picture. Silva is the player who's actually gotten the least chances from Montella, I want to actually see what he can do, we've seen what Cutrone can do far more. I don't have a hard on for Silva or any other player. Suso will most likely start again behind Kalinic next match and I'm more than okay with that. But if it comes down to picking the 2 I'll always pick Silva because I personally value a striker like him far more than a striker like Cutrone. This isn't just about who's better but about what they offer for the 90 minutes and Silva simply does much more

And honestly Danny, what is it with you threatening to leave any time someone actually wants to dispute something with you? It's getting old, if you want to leave I cannot stop you, but you're making it uncomfortable for people to actually have a conversation with you when you act like a child every time someone has an opinion that is different to yours when you throw your toys out of the pram and threaten to leave because you're over whatever discussion that is going on! It's really getting tiring. If you want to leave you can, but you really need to look at yourself and see why you simply can't handle someone disagreeing with you in a trivial conversation about football. We all have disagreements here and we all talk it out and then continue along as if nothing is ever happened. No one threatens to leave or declares the conversation over themselves. That's just in bad taste and goes against the spirit of what a discussion board is about. And may I ask what a fun place for you would be like? You declaring stuff and everyone agreeing with it?
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Oh come on now, really?? And this even though Milan is doing good so far (beside that awful Lazio hiccup).

So you disagree on who should play: Cutrone or Silva. Well, let's be patient and see how both will do.
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