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post Oct 18 2008, 10:11 PM
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QUOTE (KillerMax @ Oct 19 2008, 12:37 AM) *
Thanks very much for the link Kenny!

This was so predictable for me, it bothers me a little. Carletto is one of the top coaches of Europe, no doubt. But he simply does not have the skill set to develop a young player. And also Galliani is not the worst transfer guru around, but throwing Gourcuff away for 15 million Euros, when his actual value right now is on par with Benzema, is a very very poor move.

Also it hurts me in particular because I was a big fan of the kid and could not believe that Milan actually signed him when they did... And now having probably lost him in this way, at the age of 22, just seems like a cruel tease from our management.

I truly hope our management do WHATEVER it takes to bring the kid back and this time actually give him some support and let him replace Seedorf like Kaka did with Rui Costa.


World class post! 100% agreed.
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post Oct 18 2008, 10:32 PM
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I'm very very depressed. why did we lose him so easily?? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) first of all Bordeaux will do everything to secure his signature as he's so valuable for them already. secondly, even if they can't afford to, I doubt Yoann himself will ever dare to come back. he knows no matter what, as soon as he returns he will be a bench player again. that stupid Galliani is just making it worse by warning him about the competition of fat arses like Emerson.. (IMG:http://qsmile.com/qsimages/5.gif)

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post Oct 19 2008, 03:31 AM
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It's sad... so disappointing! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) It's all Carlo's fault... had he been given half the chances Gilardino got he would be a vital member of the team now... he has to agree with Bordeaux to stay with them but I think he'll choose to stay there cause in Milan the XI are not chosen based on meritocracy... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post Oct 19 2008, 08:04 AM
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QUOTE (dst @ Oct 19 2008, 02:31 AM) *
It's sad... so disappointing! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) It's all Carlo's fault... had he been given half the chances Gilardino got he would be a vital member of the team now... he has to agree with Bordeaux to stay with them but I think he'll choose to stay there cause in Milan the XI are not chosen based on meritocracy... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Totally agree with you

As for the bolded part, had he even been given the chances that Brocchi and Emerson had it would have been enough time for him, plus in all the games were Seedorf was playing way below par. But I forgot it's ok for Seedorf to walk around on the pitch and do nothing useful but as soon as Yoann used to misplace a single pass Carlo would drag his @ss out of there immediately.

But like you said yourself, our first 11 is not chosen on any type of merit a player gains but what Carlo feels comfortable with, which is an 11 that he has had fixed for the last 6 years.

Hopefully come next season Carlo will be out of the way and Galliani will do whatever he can to bring Yoann back. But I can't see this happening since he's already warning Yoann of the "stiff" competition he has from players like Puma and Ambro (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Which just p!sses me off to no end since Emerson should have been the one out on his @ss with Brocchi this summer instead of Yoann

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post Oct 19 2008, 05:43 PM
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As predicted Yohann is showing his real value now that he's playing!

Carlo, throw away Gilardino and gourcuff, the next one will probably be Pato!

Oh, and Bordeaux will buy him!
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post Oct 19 2008, 06:06 PM
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QUOTE (morgoth @ Oct 19 2008, 09:13 PM) *
As predicted Yohann is showing his real value now that he's playing!

Carlo, throw away Gilardino and gourcuff, the next one will probably be Pato!

Oh, and Bordeaux will buy him!

Though I personally don't think the same will happen to Pato, at least a big team will buy him if he fails at Milan! that's for sure. I just want Pato to succeed as a footballer. it better be at Milan, but if he's destined to be Carlo's second victim, then I don't care if I see him on the top of football with another team, like Madrid.
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post Oct 19 2008, 07:17 PM
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easy everybody. Gourcuff has till april to decide and who says carlo is here next season. I think whether he wins scudetto or not hes out. Milan are on the verge of signing gullit which only means one thing. Either van basten or rijkaard is our headcoach next season. Furthemore zenit aswell as cameroon/nigeria and italy are all tracking carlo which to me sounds like something is going on behind the scenes. This is his last season and if he leaves winning the scudetto, well that is only better for him. It is clear silvio wants him gone and he has said it even in public and to the press.

Gourcuff/pato/cardaccio/viudez, these players will rot at milan unless we have someone else at the helm. Emerson ambro/gattuso are good but should be given less time. The only coach on earth who would rather use old talent instead of young is carlo and it has been succcessful but i think we need rijkaard.
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post Oct 19 2008, 10:11 PM
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Keep in mind that Gourcuff's exploits have been in the ultra defensive French league and vs footballing powerhouses in the national team (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

I am a big Ancelotti fan and I won't hide it. I also am yearning to see Yohan in red and black once more but to castigate Carlo so much for his departure may be a bit unfair. To be fair to Ancelotti yohan DID play a lot of crap here despite his obvious talent....but then again I suppose to be fair to Yohan, he couldn't have done any worse than Brocchi or Emerson. Here's to hoping he returns and it all works out (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
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post Oct 20 2008, 03:38 AM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 13 2008, 11:41 AM) *
How long do you think Seedorf has left in him Jack? He's 32 now, by the time Yoann returns next season he'll hit 33. You can't expect him to be anything more then a rotation player by then.

@ Panama Devil, we play tons of games in one season, healthy competition in the squad will keep players performing to their best, unlike what's been happening these last 2 years when there was only, Pirlo, Rino, Ambro and Seedorf, while always having their place on the team assured. Players should be rotated, but unforunetly Carlo doesn't really understand that simple concept. He's stubborn and has been sticking to his same 4 midfielders since his first season with Milan. Unfortunately for him, those players have either become too lazy to even try or too tired to play in every single matcj because age is cathing up to them.

Seedorf doesn't want the bench? Would you rather have an enthusiastic young player like Yoann in the midfield that is ready to give his all, or a Seedorf who jogs around without giving a cr@p about what happens in the match? Ambro, is not good enough compared to the other defensive mids we hape, he doesn't have Rino's drive and passion, or Flamini's energy and smarts. The only think he has going for him is the fact that he can score the odd header here and there.

And our midfield looks crowded because we have way too many defensive mids then any team would ever need. We need another creative central mid. We only have Pirlo and Seedorf. And if one of them goes down we have to play with the 2 defensive mids and that just brings up a whole bunch of other issues. Plus if Seedorf for some reason gets injured before Pirlo returns we would be screwed, Carlo might start ****** off at the idea of playing multiple games with Ambro, Flamini, Rno, but we would be royally screwed if that happened

@gal_kenny, in theory that's a brilliant plan of how to handle you squad, but we all know Carlo doesn't like to play with anyone other then his usual first team line-up that's why we've been struggling ever since these players have hit a snag, becuase we're not continuing to build, and Carlo is still stuck in 04


True, true and true.

I didn't meant, in any way, that we shouldn't have him. He is the best replacement we can get right now for Seedorf. As a matter of fact, if you look at my posts during this last 15 months, you'll see that I never wanted Gourcuff to leave and I kept saying that he's brilliant.

The problem here is that Ancelotti has been managing a team with no rotation. Remember a guy called "Rivaldo"?

What I mean is that I'd rather have a team that fights than a team full of unhappy golden ball winners or soon to be winners.

I'd really like to know if besides of the time they're injured, Gattuso, Pirlo and Seedorf are willing to sit to give space to Flamini and Gourcuff. We all know Ambrosini doesn't complain (but he will become the team captain next season). Plus, we don't know if Flamini or Gourcuff begin feeling unhappy about sharing all that time.

This is the issue ... not that I don't want these guys here.

In a certain way Ancelotti has been lucky so far because he has been able to play Seedorf, Ambrosini and Flamini because Pirlo and Gattuso have been injured.

I'd like to see what is he gonna do when they are all back??????

I don't care for "Puma", I think he already understood his role.

I have another question in my head: I have no doubt about Pirlo's skill but I keep asking myself if he will break the chemistry the team is achieving so far ??? I really hope not.

Little by little we are becoming a team with a faster pace on the field!!!

Gourcuff would only make it even BETTER!!!!!!!
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post Oct 20 2008, 03:51 AM
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Another thing:

I'd really like to see true Ronaldo "R9" in the rossonero shirt ONE MORE TIME.

If he ever regains his fitness it would really be great to see him back in our squad. Just imagine that we have R80, R99, K22 and P7 on the pitch at the same time.

My near future dream:

....................Abbiati

Zambrotta...Nesta...Senderos...Janku

............Pirlo........Gourcuff

...Kaká..............................Dinho

..............Pato.....Ronaldo

At least for a couple of games!!!!!!!

R9 loves Ancelotti as a coach and I think he'll be willing to come back. RoKaPaRo ATTACK!!!!!

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post Oct 20 2008, 01:10 PM
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i think our real problam of our defence maldini's last year not much left in nesta we need to look at this department before our midfield or attack we need a top class defender next summer that should be first
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post Oct 20 2008, 02:01 PM
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QUOTE (drucurl @ Oct 20 2008, 12:11 AM) *
Keep in mind that Gourcuff's exploits have been in the ultra defensive French league and vs footballing powerhouses in the national team (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

I am a big Ancelotti fan and I won't hide it. I also am yearning to see Yohan in red and black once more but to castigate Carlo so much for his departure may be a bit unfair. To be fair to Ancelotti yohan DID play a lot of crap here despite his obvious talent....but then again I suppose to be fair to Yohan, he couldn't have done any worse than Brocchi or Emerson. Here's to hoping he returns and it all works out (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

That's the point exactly. Nobody says Gourcuff would rock Serie A if he was here now but he was judged unfairly. He was nervous cause he knew that if he did not have a good game (and sometimes even if he did) he would still be benched. He was thrown on in games when we were trailing and Brocchi/Emerson were picked ahead of him (in a semi-attacking role) when it's obvious that they do not even deserve a place in Milan's squad...

As soon as we knew Carlo would stay, Yoann had to go cause he simply would not play under Ancelotti. But if we lose him for 15m I'm going to laugh very hard at Galliani when Bordeaux cash in on him!

QUOTE (Panama Devil @ Oct 20 2008, 05:51 AM) *
I'd really like to see true Ronaldo "R9" in the rossonero shirt ONE MORE TIME.

As much as I like the guy I think he's exactly what we do not need.
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post Oct 20 2008, 05:08 PM
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Guys calm down lol its not even January and we are talking about losing a player, im sure he will come back he didnt leave on bad terms it was just the issue of game time if we negotiate a good number of games he has to start in over a period of the season im sure he'll come back imo this could well be Seedorfs last season and what better way of changing the guard with Gourcuff.
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post Oct 20 2008, 06:31 PM
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I don't think this is Seedorf's last season at all... He will be here for a while. Unless maybe we get a new coach next season...
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QUOTE (rhy_A4 @ Oct 20 2008, 08:38 PM) *
Guys calm down lol its not even January and we are talking about losing a player, im sure he will come back he didnt leave on bad terms it was just the issue of game time if we negotiate a good number of games he has to start in over a period of the season im sure he'll come back imo


I hope so. 100% agreed.

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0% agreed (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) how can you even think of this being Seedorf's last season? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) he will be here at least for 3 more seasons if you ask me!!
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