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Posted by: han2503 Nov 4 2011, 04:31 PM

I'm a bit on the down side due to the latest event with Cassano and all the other problems with injuries and all

All I want is the 3 points, ugly or pretty, at this point I don't care

Posted by: Jack Bauer Nov 4 2011, 05:05 PM

Pato is still not ready (will return vs Fiorentina), Boateng and Nocerino suspended, Nesta and Mexes won't be available as well. Add to that, Casasno, Flamini and Rino are out for a long term.

Seems like we'll play with the MvB, Ambro, Seedorf, Aqui midfield. Hope for Yepes and not Bonera.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 4 2011, 06:47 PM

I really hope that El Shaa will be given a fair chance in this one. I'd pick him to play behind Ibra or Robs over having Ambro in midfield that's for sure.

For me it would be

Posted by: Jack Bauer Nov 4 2011, 07:20 PM

Do you really think that Allegri will play with only one DM and El Sha - who didn't play an AM role for Milan at all so far and I don't know if he really can play there - behind the strikers? No chance.

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 4 2011, 07:26 PM

Posted by: Jack Bauer Nov 4 2011, 07:33 PM

Yeah, both Sky and Gazzetta with this line-up.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 4 2011, 08:25 PM

Yeah I know that Allegri won't play that formation. It's what I want see. As for El Shaarawy, he's played there for Padova last season and that is his position, if Boateng can pull it off, so can he imo. He just has to be given the opportunity to do so.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 5 2011, 01:20 AM

I'd like El Sha to start, but it ain't gonna happen. I just hope Allegri will take Inzaghi for this one...

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Nov 5 2011, 06:15 PM

I'm a sucker for the whole old-young thing..so my pick is


---Aquilani----Ambro/MvB----Seedorf
---------------Pharaohinho-----------
----------Ibra-------------Pippo--------

Robinho to come off the bench.

Posted by: CHU-LIP Nov 5 2011, 06:27 PM

benching Robinho like that, but play Pippo instead, makes all the bad line-ups I've seen look good. Especially with Boateng (and Nocerino) out, Robinho is a necessarity. Anywho, this is what I would start:



you could switch Robinho with El Shaarawy, but I've never seen El Shaarawy as AM (and playing AM in Serie B or for Milan is not the same thing) so I don't know what to expect from that, Robinho has proven to play well there

Posted by: Jack Bauer Nov 5 2011, 06:37 PM

Allegri:

“The doubts are Ambrosini or Van Bommel and Bonera or Yepes. I think Zambrotta will start at left back. Emanuelson, Robinho and Ibra could be an option Inzaghi will get called up. He’s been much better this week.”

“We’ll be up against Barcelona. We’ll see. If we’re better then we’ll win. If they’re better, then they’ll win. Otherwise it’ll end in a draw.”

http://www.drrossoneri.com/2011/11/05/pre-match-press-conference-ac-milan-catania/

So we might see the Aqui-MVB-Urby-Seedorf midfield.

Posted by: CHU-LIP Nov 5 2011, 06:39 PM

We'll be up against Barcelona? I don't get it? I thought it's about Catania, and then I read Barcelona.

Posted by: Jack Bauer Nov 5 2011, 06:41 PM

He talked about both. Most of it about Catania but the last sentence is about Barca (This from press conference, somebody asked him about them).

Posted by: han2503 Nov 5 2011, 07:12 PM

he better not start Ambro over VB. That would be utter stupidity. Ambro was even looking horrible against BATE. How much more indication does Allegri need that Ambro cannot cut it any longer

Posted by: Dracoris Nov 5 2011, 08:35 PM

Robinho over Pippo. Pippo in the 60/70' to clean up any slack. I'd probably start the Pharoah too, this is a good game for him to get intergrated.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 6 2011, 12:17 AM

What does that mean?


Robinho may have prooven himself last season, but this year he hasn't done anything spectacular. Sure, his injury helped in that direction, but anyway...I'm not that kind of a fan playing Robinho on the AM. He is, IMO, much better suited as a SS.


Hey, let's give it a try. I don't think he'll do so badly. I know you don't rate him anymore and he's proven to you unworthy of any faith this season, but still...have a little hope.

Posted by: CHU-LIP Nov 6 2011, 12:34 AM

IMO too, but the question is what's best for the team for that specific match...

Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2011, 12:42 AM

I think he's been given enough "tries" this season, and messed them all up without fail. He's just not good enough anymore. It's not a matter of me rating him or not. It's what I've been seeing whenever Ambro has stepped onto the pitch this season, and it's been cringe worthy every single time.

I don't really care for example if Pippo starts or not, he deserves a chance imo, so we can see what he can still do, another point infavour of Pippo is that his position is not crucial to the entire team's stability like Ambro's. Ambro has been given the chances Pippo simply hasn't and messed up every single one of them.

These guys have to know when to throw in the towel, and with our coach encouraging them to stay on by giving them chance after chance is just not helping the team. And what irks me more about that is that Pippo, Taiwo, etc have been shunned for some reason or another, while Ambro, Bonera and Rino have been invited back every time even after huge screw ups. It's just ridiculous

Ambro has no business being on that pitch unless it's a Coppa tie. Enough is enough!

Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2011, 12:47 AM

btw. this is the line-up on sport mediaset

To see Ambro in there, next to VB, as a left sided CM just makes me physically cringe. Let's not forget the fiasco of the Lecce game, he's terrible, so let's try to enhance his short-comings even further Allegri!

I'd push Seedorf back, push El Shaa in there. See what he can do. Give the kid some faith now that we're in this situation. This is the reason why I feel that the management spending money on young players is a huge wast eof money and time. Because they're simply not going to get a proper chance. We're in a crises situation and our coach prefers to push in the mumbling, stumbling Ambroisini instead of him. Enough said.

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 6 2011, 01:10 AM

So true.

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Nov 6 2011, 03:19 AM

+2

Posted by: drucurl Nov 6 2011, 04:38 AM

Well as much as I'd like to lead the charge against Allegri (seeing as I was the first to conclude that he wasn't a big team coach ) The problems we complain about are symptomatic of most typical Italian coaches...even the good ones like Lippi, Ancelotti etc. I think this is one thing that sets Capello kinda away from the aforementioned since despite his iron clad disciplinarian stance towards everybody, he played Cassano and Robinho without much coaxing. He also repeatedly dropped ADP for iBra.

Mancini also seems to value bringing in the youth to the system. That said, however not letting an unproven player prove his worth is one thing. Stubbornly playing inept players because you prefer them is quite another and Allegri is also guilty of this....though as the Taiwo debacle seems to be clearing up....not as much as it would seem I guess

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Nov 6 2011, 06:06 AM

I think Allegri rewards training or something. I can't explain else, how Bonera gets a look-in. Not to mention, in his interviews he always says something like 'X has looked much better this week and might start..." etc.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 6 2011, 07:02 AM

He sees the players more than us, so that's why it's hard for people to understand his decisions sometimes. Most of the season it's been "OMG how can he not start Taiwo!", but he obviously sees on a regular basis just how bad a player he is. And that seems to be the case based on his performances when he has had a chance.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Nov 6 2011, 10:57 AM

I always stressed that assumption.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 6 2011, 11:59 AM

Well, I did to. Sorrily, it wasn't applied with the same vehemence when Ancelotti was coach, and not Allegri.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2011, 12:33 PM

I don't agree with that seeing as the ones he chose above them were Ambro and Antonini. Again, that should be enough said on my part because the players he seems to favour over others at this point have been nothing short of terrible when they've played. I don't care if Ambro is sweating blood during trianing at this point, if he can't cut it then he shouldn't be starting. It's pretty simple. He's making mistakes on the pitch, where it really counts, so what he does in training is all good and well but if he's going to hold us back on match day then I don't care how much work he puts in. Also this theory you guys have imo is totally unfair, it's like saying that Antonini and Ambro are killing themselves on daily basis while Taiwo and El Shaa are sitting on the sidelines having a smoke while the rest train. Just ridiculous.

Taiwo cannot be judged yet, he's made a couple of mistakes yes, but people forget that he's a new squad player, new to the league and team, doesn't speak the language, etc, etc. What's the excuse for someone like Antonini or Ambro or Bonera? And imo, some of their mistakes have been far worse then what Taiwo has done thise season. It's just ridiculous that these players are still starting important Serie A/CL games for us

Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2011, 03:03 PM

Anyone got the line-up?

I can see Ambro started in front of the defence

Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2011, 03:05 PM

lol is that Urby behind the strikers? Just ridiculous

Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2011, 03:07 PM

Penalty!

Robs hacked down!

What a pass from Ibra there!

Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2011, 03:08 PM

IBRAA

Posted by: Boban10 Nov 6 2011, 03:08 PM

Good start, IBRA!!!!!!

Posted by: milanbuf88 Nov 6 2011, 03:09 PM

Nice penalty Ibra. Urby had a pretty nice pass in the lead up to the penalty. He isn't completely useless haha

Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2011, 03:09 PM

ambro How typical

Posted by: Boban10 Nov 6 2011, 03:10 PM

FFS Ambro????? Is he wanting sent off!

Posted by: milanbuf88 Nov 6 2011, 03:10 PM

Yellow for Ambro. What a joke. Guy needs to retire.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2011, 03:11 PM

I think he could be a lot more useful when played in a more familiar position... He does better when deeper, but is just useless in tight areas. And playing behind the strikers means thinking quickly because you're closed down quickly, and just cannot do that

Also. If Allegri gives Ambro the nod for Barca I'll bang my head to a wall

Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2011, 03:14 PM

Ambro loses that ball on the edge of the area!

It's sad that he's proving me so right

Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2011, 03:18 PM

OMG, look at the defending off that set-piece.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2011, 03:22 PM

They're just walking through our midfield, we've lost control of the game. Look how they got past Ambro...

Posted by: milanbuf88 Nov 6 2011, 03:24 PM

WOW. Robinho!!!!!!!

Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2011, 03:24 PM

Robinho!!!!

Again, Ibra doing everything to make that happen!! What a play!!

Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2011, 03:26 PM

OMG! Ibra is just out of this world today!! Played Seedorf through again! Seedorf with a bad miss though

Posted by: Boban10 Nov 6 2011, 03:27 PM

NICE ROBBIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2011, 03:31 PM

I have to say, for all our faults, Ibra and Robs have really stepped up today given all the problems in attack. Ibra is doing the work of 3 men out there. While Robs is very cool and collected

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Nov 6 2011, 03:44 PM

ambro almost scored from the corner..

Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2011, 03:46 PM

Only decent thing he's done so far.

Look at the way he followed that up, The Catania player ran straight through the center of our midfield

Posted by: milanbuf88 Nov 6 2011, 03:46 PM

Good cross by Urby

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 6 2011, 03:47 PM

Bonera with lots of useless fouls today.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2011, 03:47 PM

lol, what a joke ref!! Bonera didn't even touch the guy!

Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2011, 03:49 PM

It was a clear dive there. Bonera didn't even so much as touch him

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 6 2011, 03:54 PM

Come on, give him a slack! Everyone knows you don't like him and we all agree he is in a bad streak, but can you manage not to bash him in almost every post? I mean, I really get your point, what's the point in this repetition?

Posted by: Boban10 Nov 6 2011, 03:55 PM

Anyone know what the parade is that is going round the pitch just now? Or it might have been earlier (highlights showing)

Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2011, 03:59 PM

Pointing out what I see Had he scored that, his invsibile show would have been swept under the rug like always.

He went in with a terrible challenge in the first couple of minutes, then completely went AWOL after that, as well as lost the ball in crucial areas of the pitch.

And then you guys are trying to justify his position by saying he's probably working the hardest in training! It's just ridiculous. I never liked his style and was never really a fan, I have no trouble admitting that. But this is beyond that, seeing him stumbling around on the pitch and not doing what he's supposed to be doing gives me a headache by just watching it.

If Allegri chooses to start him instead of Bommel against Barca we'll be in for a beating so bad it wouldn't even be funny.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2011, 04:04 PM

Yepes for Bonera. Probably on because of the yellow

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 6 2011, 04:05 PM

He won't. Allegri is simply giving to MvB some rest after all the games he's played this season.

Second half starts. Yepes for Bonera.

Posted by: drucurl Nov 6 2011, 04:08 PM

No Bone(head)era

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 6 2011, 04:10 PM

Did I say something about training and Ambro? No, it was a general remark.

I'm just say...it would be nice to let some breathing space for people who still like or respect Ambro. Everyone knows what you think of him, but the constant repetition just isn't necessary

Posted by: CHU-LIP Nov 6 2011, 04:16 PM

Those short corners are annoying, Clarence.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2011, 04:17 PM

I didn't say you made them, but they were made, and it wasn't just a general remark

And if I have to see Ambro stumbling around every week, then I have the right to complain about it

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Nov 6 2011, 04:19 PM

i wonder what is the science behind our corners strategy....

Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2011, 04:25 PM

Trying to be Barca. But it's obvious we could never pull it off

Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2011, 04:27 PM

SEEDORF

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Nov 6 2011, 04:27 PM

3-0

Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2011, 04:27 PM

Oh I think it was given to Robs

Posted by: milanbuf88 Nov 6 2011, 04:28 PM

Another excellent pass by Ibra.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Nov 6 2011, 04:28 PM

own goal imo.. anyway brilliant play by ibra

Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2011, 04:29 PM

Yep, his support play has been amazing

Now all I'm hoping for is a clean sheet

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Nov 6 2011, 04:31 PM

4-0 zambrotta

Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2011, 04:31 PM

ZAMBROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

So happy for him

Posted by: CHU-LIP Nov 6 2011, 04:31 PM

It doesn't make sense. We have players who can head a corner/cross in...

These short corners never succeed, such a waste. Allegri, use your brain PLEASE

Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2011, 04:31 PM

Great free-kick from Aqui

Posted by: milanbuf88 Nov 6 2011, 04:31 PM

Zambro!

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Nov 6 2011, 04:31 PM

bring on el-sharraway

Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2011, 04:32 PM

Agreed, we have great takers and tall physical players who fight hard in the box. Make use of it

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Nov 6 2011, 04:32 PM

exactly barca play short corner bcoz they have short players.. well well

Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2011, 04:32 PM

PLEASE Clean Sheet!!

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 6 2011, 04:36 PM

PIPPO!

Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2011, 04:39 PM

Robs off, Pippo on

Seedorf off, Antonini on

And El Shaa once again left without a chance after warming up for the entire half

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Nov 6 2011, 04:40 PM

should have given el shaa a chance this is a perfect game for him to come on there would be less pressure for him.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Nov 6 2011, 04:43 PM

pippo almost

Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2011, 04:44 PM

So achingly close for Pippo

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Nov 6 2011, 04:51 PM

FT 4-0

Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2011, 04:51 PM

Clean sheet! Finally

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 6 2011, 04:53 PM

Fifth consecutive win in Serie A.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Nov 6 2011, 04:56 PM

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 6 2011, 04:56 PM

Well, both Pippo and El Sha should deserved to play, and Pippo made me a bit more happier. Since Ibra is untouchable...I knew one of the two would only come in.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2011, 05:16 PM

I thinkk both could have been given the chance, Brining in Antonini was completely unnecassary

Posted by: Jack Bauer Nov 6 2011, 05:51 PM

Great win, and Catania were lucky to concede only 4 goals

Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2011, 05:57 PM

I really don't think we got out of second gear. I'm not saying it as if we could have if we wanted to. The team seemed labored at times. Flashes of brilliance here and there. But I've yet to see a really commanding performance from us this season. Last season we just cruised through games, Inter, Napoli, Juve, etc, etc. We didn't let them get anywhere near our goal, one of those game ended with zero shots on our goal. That's just a ridiculous statistic! I know we have a lot of problems in the squad with the injuries and now the worries over Cassano. But I'm hoping the team uses this next week to really work on cohesion, especially in the defence.

Posted by: Jack Bauer Nov 6 2011, 06:12 PM

We had tons of injuries in the beginning and once some players returned, we were able to create a good run that showed that we are still the best team in Serie A. Even today, with far from perfect line up, Catania created almsot nothing in this game, and they are not as bad team as they looked today. We are scoring about 4 goals a game in the last 5 games. Beat Roma away, which we hadn't done in about 6-7 years. The defence will follow.

It's not like we crushed them all last season. We also had injury issues, lost to Roma and Juve at home, were lucky that Napoli player received a red card in the first half... We eventually started to play great but the first half of the season was far from perfect.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 6 2011, 06:43 PM

Well, we all know that Allegri is afraid of taking out Ibra. So, could we expected him to play with 3 strikers?

Posted by: Zed.D Nov 6 2011, 06:59 PM

Missed the game but great result. may this be the first of many clean-sheet wins to come!

Posted by: Dracoris Nov 6 2011, 07:45 PM

Aquilani had the most successful passes (45) and tied Ambro for most clean tackles (6)

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 6 2011, 07:53 PM

...waiting for han...

Posted by: han2503 Nov 6 2011, 08:21 PM

I agree, but i personally expected that we would keep that chemistry in defence of last season and take it to this one. Obviously the injuries haven't helped, but I feel we're only a couple of steps away from being where we were last season. And I really want to see that change happen after this break


Yeah, that's better then the 4 goals for me


Aquilani might not be flashy and in your face, most of his work goes un-noticed imo. But what he brings to us is unquesionable imo.


That's the least I would expect from him given the position where he's playing in, and if you look at it, it's not that good a stat. How many times does VB win the ball per game? Countless. What I don't expect and want from him is horrible tackles that get him in the book on the first try and losing balls in dangerous areas, which is what he continuously does. VB might not be the most graceful and gets yellowed as much as Ambro, but his contribution is unparalleled plus he always plays it simple and rarely loses the ball because he's trying to make a pass he has no business making. There is no way you can make me admit that Ambro did anything right, simply because all his faults more then override whatever good he brings. I've just had it up to here with him.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Nov 7 2011, 04:57 AM

If MvB is out, outside of Ambro who are the options we have for DM? Given that Nocerino is almost untouchable now at LCM...and rotates with Seedorf.

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 7 2011, 05:23 AM

No-one. I guess if they're both unavailable, Allegri will play Seedorf in there.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 7 2011, 12:47 PM

I'd probably start Seedorf in that position over Ambro....

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Nov 7 2011, 02:04 PM

I don't know if Seedorf has the legs to start...and as for playing DM no way. Nope without Rino...Ambro is the only option available.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 7 2011, 03:36 PM

So Ambro does? Seedorf is slow, but he's a million times smarter then Ambro. I trust him more not to make silly passes, lose the ball or make rash tackles in dangerous areas that's for sure.

Posted by: Jack Bauer Nov 7 2011, 06:40 PM

Seedorf played there against Udinese last season and we all remember how it ended. If there's an emergensy, we can play Silva there, especially if Nesta and Mexes both fit.

Posted by: CHU-LIP Nov 7 2011, 06:45 PM

I remember lots of good games of Seedorf playing in front of the defense (it started against Spurs, others followed), but I guess if you can name one game where he didn't do well, he probably sucks there...

And Mexes is not really fit, and I don't feel like seeing Bonera even more often than we do now. And Yepes and Nesta together is also not really a good combination. No, we need Silva in central defense, and Seedorf has proven to be a good anchor, I actually would prefer him over anyone at the moment, unless Van Bommel comes back to form.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 7 2011, 07:01 PM

Seedorf didn't play that position against Udine... He was terrible, but not because of the position if you are in fact correct. It was just one of the usual bombers Seedorf has once or twice in a season where he's just not bad but pain-stakingly horrible.

No matter his faults, he's still a hundred times the played Ambro is, no matter the position

Posted by: Jack Bauer Nov 7 2011, 07:04 PM

Most of Seedorf's good games in the second half of last season were as the LCM and he should mostly play there.

I'm not talking about now (MvB is fit now), I'm talking about possible future situation of emergency (if MvB will be injured for a while) and if then Nesta and Mexes will be fit, I would rather see Silva there than Seedorf. Silva in front of these two will make life very difficult for the opponent to score.

Posted by: CHU-LIP Nov 7 2011, 07:15 PM

So Seedorf should only play LCM? I can't agree with that. Nocerino is our starting LCM, and we need someone to play anchor.

Posted by: Jack Bauer Nov 7 2011, 07:19 PM

I said mostly, not only. And yes, at this stage of his career he's better as LCM. We have someone to play anchor - MvB. If he won't be fit, we'll see what the injury state is, but I rate Silva there above Seedorf. But it won't matter because Max gonna play Ambro as second choice for sure.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 7 2011, 07:36 PM

That is true, but it does not mean that he can't play the regista position. What I initially said was that he's a better option then Ambro there if it really came down to it

Silva anywhere other then in the center of defence is such a huge waste I wouldn't even know where to start listing reasons as to why he shouldn't be played there

Posted by: Jack Bauer Nov 7 2011, 07:51 PM

He can play there, but not as well as he used to. I wasn't talking about Ambro at all. For me, they are both equally not good options there.

It's a waste but it's not a big waste if you have another two great CB in Nesta and Mexes. Playing all 3 will without doubt improve our defense.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 7 2011, 08:30 PM

But that was my original point which started this debate. That I'd rather play Seedorf there these days before starting Ambro

Still, no matter which way you put it, it's just something that I don't think should be done. You're moving a top 5 CB in the world right now to a position where he's just good in. If it really came down to a huge emergency, then ok. But like I said, I'd rather play another midfielder there like Aqui or Nocerino, or even Montolivo now that he's surely on his way. Then waste Thiago in midfield

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 7 2011, 08:40 PM

Funny, Catania thread, Milan playing, Zambro+Ibra+Robinho+Seedorf scoring, yet Ambrosini mentioned more then 50% above these "key words". It's a ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam - syndrome.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 7 2011, 08:42 PM

I think one of those was an own goal

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 7 2011, 08:46 PM

Seedorf was marked as scorer, no??

Posted by: han2503 Nov 7 2011, 09:09 PM

I don't know for sure. But it was clearly an own goal since the catania player kicked the ball onto the post and it went in

Posted by: han2503 Nov 7 2011, 09:10 PM

Just checked. It was given as an own goal to Lodi

Posted by: acid911 Nov 7 2011, 11:22 PM

Eh, you learn a new thing every day!

Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 8 2011, 12:52 AM

It's an OG according to the source I use for my stats page.

Posted by: Bluesummers Nov 9 2011, 08:49 AM

good game

Posted by: drucurl Nov 9 2011, 03:46 PM

I’m getting pretty annoyed at the way some posters try to browbeat you with their empty rhetoric.
The overuse of the following lines:
1. It’s not your money
2. He’s the coach not you
3. He sees the players in training more than you
4. He has his coaching degree
5. Berlusconi is responsible for Milan’s success
Is quite frankly annoying. Granted that they are true, if there weren’t other factors that affected Milan, then discussing them would be quite pointless wouldn’t it?

For instance Ancelotti is hands down my favourite coach but he, like all others made MANY mistakes. Not recognizing/being able to get the best out of Henry, Gourcuff and many other young talents rank among his most glaring. All the above lines of reasoning applied to him too but that apparently didn’t prevent him from not valuing Rivaldo and asking to get back Brocchi; preferring Emerson to Gourcuff and completely disregarding Mattioni and Flamini. Now If I could recognize this about Ancelotti who STILL is my favourite then I take offense at some n00bs tkinging I’m some sort of troublemaker because of my opinions on iBra and Allegri.
For starters it’s clear to ppl that WATCH us play that Allegri is very smalltime. Yeah he deserves some credit for our scudetto but seriously, other than Silva, De Rossi and Nesta there are no players in Serie A who I’d call world class atm. Pato can get there and Lucio, Robinho and iBra are very close. But you’d notice that most of these play for Milan….i.e. Milan had imho by far the best squad in Italy. I mean it would be hard to lost the SerieA with iBra, Pato, Robinho, Cassano, MVB, Ronaldinho, Nesta, AND Silva….not to mention fine contributions from Flamini, Gattuso, KPB, Ambro and Seedorf.
So the yardstick for assessing Allegri mist be a tad longer and if this were so then he’s been a FAILURE actually….throwing away our chance for a win vs Real Madrid by making dorf try to waste time at the corner flag (which was disgraceful) , not being able to use Ronaldinho’s creative genius (he played well before and after Allegri….what does that tell you?) and finally losing out to a far inferior squad in Tottenham. Our CL exploits are taking the same path of last year in that unless we have some individual brilliance/inspiration we’re going to adopt the most blue collar workmanlike performance to scrape up a win instead of overwhelm an opponent with our superior talent, ideas, and strategy. When Real, Bartha , Manure and most of the other genuine CL contenders win you KNOW and EXPECT and FEEL they are going to win. Can we honestly same the same of Allegri’s Milan?

Posted by: CHU-LIP Nov 9 2011, 03:58 PM

Anyway, I agree. Those remarks are annoying. If you take those serious it simply means we all should just shut up about everything because we all are a bunch of ignorant people who know little.

Or we accept all of us caring about Milan, and having huge interest in the club, and thus love talking about it, and thus discuss things based on what we do know and have seen. Most of us watch most of our games, isn't that enough to have a word you like to share? I think it is. We care, so we want what's best for the club, and we all have watch Milan which automaticly creates ideas in our head about how we should play and with who, and what players we would like to add to what we have now. It's natural, don't fight it. And if anything, a forum is there to discuss and share your opinion.

Posted by: drucurl Nov 9 2011, 04:37 PM

Agreed overall. The fact of the matter is coaches get fired all the time. Yeah the same guys who see the squad the most. Sometimes the fans clamour for a player to get playing time but the coach continues to marginalize that player. Who's right? Sometimes despite the protests the coach is right. Sometimes he's waaaaay off. With this in mind, it's rather disingenious to keep proclaiming faith in someone on such a flawed basis simply because it precludes bias.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 9 2011, 06:04 PM

You blame Ancelotti for not recognizing Henry and Gourcuff? Not that again, please, we've been over that topic...

Posted by: drucurl Nov 9 2011, 06:25 PM

Not while I was here bro

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 9 2011, 07:30 PM

Anyway, look at Gourcuff - where exactly is he now?

As for Henry, Thierry actually didn't click with Juventus all in all, had an injury and I've read an interview some time ago where he alone does not put the blame on Ancelotti. So...you really can't blame Carletto for that one

Posted by: drucurl Nov 9 2011, 09:59 PM

Never said I blamed him entirely but he simply didn't get to use the talent of the player to help the team (see Ron & Al). Fergie failed dismally with Forlan and Veron. It happens to the best coaches. But when you add this to Al's other flaws his mediocrity can't hide

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 9 2011, 10:27 PM

Who are Ron and Al?

Posted by: drucurl Nov 9 2011, 10:37 PM

ronaldinho and Allegri

Posted by: Bluesummers Nov 10 2011, 12:43 AM

yeee hawwwwww

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 17 2011, 05:12 PM

Someone open a Fiorentina-Milan match thread, please.