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Posted by: han2503 Aug 25 2017, 03:32 PM

Around 35k season tickets have been sold so far. So hopefully we'll have a pretty big crowd for the first home game of the season.

3 points before the international break will be crucial here, especially since the other teams we're up against for 4th all started well

Posted by: Fishdoll Aug 25 2017, 03:44 PM

I'd imagine the lineup will return to something approximating the XI vs. Crotone. Romagnoli is well short of match fitness (understandably).

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Aug 25 2017, 03:57 PM

Milan lose 1-3. Locatelli Red Card. Montolivo own goal hat-trick.

Posted by: han2503 Aug 25 2017, 07:25 PM

Yep

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 25 2017, 11:09 PM

Mediaset line-up: Donnarumma; Conti, Musacchio, Bonucci, Rodriguez; Kessie, Locatelli, Calhanoglu; Suso, Silva, Borini.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 26 2017, 08:34 AM

Hmh. Why not Silva and Cutrone and no Borini?

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Aug 26 2017, 09:20 AM

Because neither of them play wide/wingers ?

Posted by: han2503 Aug 26 2017, 01:32 PM

Play with both of them and put Suso behind them

I think Silva can play a bit wider or in a deeper position. This Borini nonsense is getting ridiculous. He's not even a pure winger either. Montella needs to switch formations if we don't bring in a good winger. What's the use of playing 4-3-3 when you have 3 very good strikers just to play Borini on the wing??

Posted by: d'Arc.LP Aug 26 2017, 04:47 PM

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Posted by: Ry4n Aug 26 2017, 11:07 PM

interesting line up..

Posted by: Fishdoll Aug 27 2017, 11:27 AM

Biglia and Kalinic included in the call ups for the game.

Portieri: Donnarumma A., Donnarumma G., Storari
Difensori: Abate, Antonelli, Bonucci, Calabria, Conti, Musacchio, Rodriguez, Romagnoli, Zapata
Centrocampisti: Biglia, Calhanoglu, Gabbia, Kessie, Locatelli, Montolivo.
Attaccanti: André Silva, Borini, Cutrone, Kalinic, Suso.

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 27 2017, 11:33 AM

LiveScore.com keep putting Antonion Donnarumma as GK in their Milan line-ups.

Posted by: Ry4n Aug 27 2017, 06:13 PM

3-0 FT hopefully

Posted by: Ry4n Aug 27 2017, 06:14 PM

1 hour 30 mins until kick off.

Posted by: William405 Aug 27 2017, 07:04 PM

Milan: G Donnarumma; Conti, Bonucci, Musacchio, R. Rodriguez; Kessié, Montolivo, Calhanoglu; Suso, Cutrone, Borini

Milan bench: A Donnarumma, Storari, Romagnoli, Abate, Zapata, Antonelli, Calabria, Biglia, Locatelli, José Mauri, Zanellato, André Silva, Kalinic

Cagliari: Cragno; Padoin, Andreolli, Pisacane, Capuano; Cigarini, Barella, Ionita; Joao Pedro, Farias; Sau

Cagliari bench: Crosta, Ceppitelli, Miangue, Romagna, Dessena, Cossu, Faragò, Deiola, Giannetti, Cop

Posted by: Fishdoll Aug 27 2017, 07:28 PM

Paolo Maldini is at the game. First time he's been at a game in quite a long while.

Posted by: han2503 Aug 27 2017, 07:46 PM

Over 50k spectators are at the San Siro

Posted by: han2503 Aug 27 2017, 07:59 PM

CUTRONEEEEE

The kid is magic!!

Posted by: han2503 Aug 27 2017, 08:00 PM

What a play by Suso and Conti before that though, our right side is really clicking

Posted by: Ry4n Aug 27 2017, 08:07 PM

Hope he is talking to the Club about a position....

Posted by: Ry4n Aug 27 2017, 08:08 PM

very nice

Posted by: Ry4n Aug 27 2017, 08:11 PM

shiiit so close to 1-1...post saved us wtf guys come on!

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 27 2017, 08:14 PM

I'm sorry to say this but Calhanoglu has been really bad so far. Nonexistent and losing every ball he gets. Couple that with Borini and our left flank is very, very poor.

Posted by: han2503 Aug 27 2017, 08:16 PM

Agreed about both

Kessie has been very quiet as well imo

Calhanoglu is being wasted there, Montells really needs to shift things around, Borini is a ghost

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 27 2017, 08:17 PM

Yeah, Kessie has been unusually poor so far as well.

Posted by: han2503 Aug 27 2017, 08:17 PM

Conti has been so good though

And I really like Rodriguez's work so far as well, he switches the play so beautifully

Posted by: Ry4n Aug 27 2017, 08:18 PM

This could get tricky we need a few goals!

Posted by: han2503 Aug 27 2017, 08:20 PM

We really need to get back our grip on this or we'll concede

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 27 2017, 08:24 PM

Bad, bad, bad. We're seeing last season Milan here. Cagliari controlling the game.

Posted by: han2503 Aug 27 2017, 08:29 PM

Just don't understand wtf is going on, literally letting Cagliari have complete control. They need to wake the f up

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 27 2017, 08:36 PM

What a 180 degree change. I think we got too much ahead of ourselves dominating against teams like Craiova, Shkendija and a 10-man Cutrone. Really Cagliari are the first true challenge and so far we're butchering it. Lucky to be 1-0 ahead.

Unless Montella shakes the hell out of his players we won't win this.

Posted by: han2503 Aug 27 2017, 08:38 PM

Montella needs to do something ASAP, the team needs to regroup and come out much better. Borini and maybe Hakan need to come off a this point, only problem is who can come in for them, our midfield and attacking options are so thin when playing this system it's ridiculous. Especially considering how much we spent this summer

Posted by: Ry4n Aug 27 2017, 08:38 PM

its these games we need to bloody win...and we havent even got the sesason started properly..not to forget we are at home with 50k support... win at all bloody costs.

Posted by: d'Arc.LP Aug 27 2017, 08:39 PM

Hmmm, agreed on Hakans and Kessies assesments. I would add Bonucci to that list too, he has not been that good either. Montolivo is at least running, even though not doing do well either. I like Donna, Conti, Rodriguez, Suso and Cutronte tonight. I hope we see Biglia in and also a 3-5-2.

Posted by: William405 Aug 27 2017, 08:44 PM

I thought we started well, but then we lost control over the game.

Honestly, we seem to have lost the midfield battle. So, if I was Montella, I would try to insert Biglia and take out Borini. Then play with a 4-3-2-1 formation with Suso-Hakan behind Cutrone.

Kessie has been unusually poor, and it's a probably a big contributor to the problems we're having. Everytime he's losing the ball, it's leaving us too exposed at the back.

So yeah..in my opinion we should stack that midfield a bit, and ask Conti-Rodriguez to be a bit more conservative as well.

Posted by: William405 Aug 27 2017, 08:47 PM

Yes, agreed there too. But, I really can't blame players too much on the defensive end if they're being so overexposed. But, yeah it hasn't been Bonucci's best game either.

Donnarumma is just a damn rock. Do you guys remember when he didn't want to re-sign for Milan? And some of you were saying..yeah no problem, we can get a goalkeeper that will be capable to replace him. I really can't see that. This kid is special, in addition his confidence is great too.

Cutrone..I just love this kid, he has an good eye for goal!

Posted by: han2503 Aug 27 2017, 08:47 PM

On another note, Fiorentina look like they're going into total meltdown mode

Posted by: han2503 Aug 27 2017, 08:48 PM

Agreed about the changes

Posted by: han2503 Aug 27 2017, 08:49 PM

Romagnoli and Biglia warming up

Posted by: han2503 Aug 27 2017, 08:54 PM

Montella better have knocked some sense into them

Posted by: han2503 Aug 27 2017, 09:04 PM

Lol, how was that not a foul on Kessie, should have gotten a yellow as well, dangerous tackle

Posted by: William405 Aug 27 2017, 09:05 PM

1-1

I blame Montella, he didn't address any problems that we had. Too passive.

Posted by: han2503 Aug 27 2017, 09:06 PM

F@CK!!!!

What were they doing there FFS???!

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 27 2017, 09:06 PM

Deserved. We're nowhere on the pitch.

Posted by: han2503 Aug 27 2017, 09:08 PM

Agreed, but why did donna give the ball to a surrounded Kessie FFS?

Posted by: han2503 Aug 27 2017, 09:12 PM

Biglia for Hakan

He better take Borini off as well.

Posted by: William405 Aug 27 2017, 09:18 PM

We're doing better now.

That move from Conti was sweet!

Posted by: han2503 Aug 27 2017, 09:18 PM

I really do not understand Montella's thinking at times, so we seem to have switched to a 4-2-3-1 with Monto behind the strikers...

Posted by: William405 Aug 27 2017, 09:19 PM

SUSOOOOOOOO MAMMA MIAAAA

Posted by: han2503 Aug 27 2017, 09:19 PM

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Posted by: Ry4n Aug 27 2017, 09:19 PM

SUPER SUSO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted by: William405 Aug 27 2017, 09:20 PM

Well, not that Hakan was doing super well..but yeah, Monto might be okay there for now.

Posted by: han2503 Aug 27 2017, 09:21 PM

Still, I think one of Hakan's problems is his position which is not ideal for him, 4-2-3-1 is the perfect formation for him

Kessie has woken up as well and you can instantly see the impact he makes

Posted by: han2503 Aug 27 2017, 09:22 PM

We better not switch off again now

Posted by: William405 Aug 27 2017, 09:24 PM

Yes, I totally agree. But, Montella might not have thought like that. He probably was thinking "he was poor so I take him out".

Posted by: d'Arc.LP Aug 27 2017, 09:25 PM

This Suso, no doubt our best player.

Posted by: han2503 Aug 27 2017, 09:26 PM

Thought VAR was about to catch up to us there...

Posted by: han2503 Aug 27 2017, 09:27 PM

Kalinic for Cutrone

Posted by: han2503 Aug 27 2017, 09:27 PM

The fact that Borini is still on the pitch is astonishing for me. This is why I think we're missing a winger

Posted by: han2503 Aug 27 2017, 09:37 PM

Lol! Is the ref f@cking serious?? There was more shirt pulling on the non-penalty on Monto than there!

Posted by: han2503 Aug 27 2017, 09:38 PM

Can't believe that was ruled out! The Cagliari player was pulling on Kessie's shirt as well

Posted by: han2503 Aug 27 2017, 09:40 PM

9 added minutes!

Posted by: Ry4n Aug 27 2017, 09:42 PM

Haha i have not seen 9 minutes in a long bloody time wtf.

Posted by: William405 Aug 27 2017, 09:43 PM

Borini out. Honestly, don't want to single him out, but he is clearly not good enough to be a starter.

Posted by: han2503 Aug 27 2017, 09:43 PM

Antonelli for Borini... Sad

Posted by: han2503 Aug 27 2017, 09:44 PM

Probably because of that long injury stop and the water break

Posted by: Ry4n Aug 27 2017, 09:44 PM

Luca Antonelli's dad played for Milan interesting.

Posted by: d'Arc.LP Aug 27 2017, 09:45 PM

Montolivo cant even pass the ball anyore. Sad.

Posted by: han2503 Aug 27 2017, 09:47 PM

The refereeing has been horrible today and not just in situations that didn't favour us

Posted by: Danny Aug 27 2017, 09:51 PM

Speak for yourselves. I wasn't buying it.

Posted by: han2503 Aug 27 2017, 09:51 PM

FT

3 Points but there needs to be improvement and this time I'm pointing at Montella and not the players.

He needs to find a system that works and stick to it

Aside from the obvious (Suso), I thought our MVPs were the FBs today, both Conti and Rodriguez were great


Why are the players doing the run up to the fans? We're not in May and leading the table FFS, just go in and be glad we managed to get the win.

Posted by: Danny Aug 27 2017, 09:53 PM

I'm reading this thread and amused that I barely agree with a single word anyone is saying. When do I ever.

But what I will say is "back to earth with a bump".

Posted by: Danny Aug 27 2017, 09:55 PM

A bigger worry is how poor defence is. We've spent 7,000,0000,0000000000000,00000000 and it doesn't look much better than it did last season. There is absolutely no understanding between Bonucci and Musacchio - neither of them look comfortable at all.

Posted by: han2503 Aug 27 2017, 09:56 PM

Second half was much better than the first, the change of formation also helped. The 4-3-3 is clearly a no-go with this team, we absolutely do not have the players for it. Kessie also looked much more comfortable once we switched. Biglia looks class. Can't wait to have him starting games

Monto was actually good today as well, some pure Montolivo moments where he takes ages to decide where to pass but aside from that I thought he did well.

The CBs still need to click better. Montella changing the pairing every game doesn't help matters much in this regard


I'm really behind Montella, I don't want to be overly critical, but no far he seems a bit confused in terms of what system and players he wants to use where and how, he needs to decide and fast because the difficult fixtures are going to start rolling in and there's no more time for this continual change

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 27 2017, 10:01 PM

What a terrible match. We got lucky with the win.

I don't know what happened but the players seemed completely out of it.

Calhanoglu needs to wake up. We have great expectations for him. He's wearing the #10 shirt so it's time he started playing like a #10 instead of tripping on his feet and losing balls left and right. He's young with great talent, so I'm only assuming it's a matter of physical condition.

Enough with Borini. FFS the guy is useless! He runs a lot, but he adds NOTHING to our game. Even as a sub he's subpar. Thankfully we'll have Bonaventura available after the break.

The 4-3-3 system is not suited to our players. Either go with 4-2-3-1 or start applying 3-5-2 already.

Posted by: han2503 Aug 27 2017, 10:03 PM

What do you mean, I feel like there's been a general consensus on the overall performance and which players weren't good

Do you think the refereeing was good, because I thought the ref shat his pants on each occasion he was called upon, and not just for situations which went against us but against Cagliari as well.

That Kessie goal was the icing though, it shouldn't have been disallowed imo


The fullbacks have really improved from the first 2 games I saw, so that's something I've happy about

Agreed about the CBs. Bonucci is clearly more comfortable in a back 3. He played in a back 4 at Juve last season, but he's generally not used to getting that exposed by his midfield. Him and Musacchio need to gain better understanding, I agreed there. Problem is Montella has so far kept changing the CB duo for each game. That's one area you shouldn't be messing around in and I don't understand why he keeps changing it. Also, of we're going with 3 at the back the change needs to happen ASAP, we're wasting precious time that could be used to adapt to the system against these weaker sides. If we don't do it now then I can't see how we'll switch to it in more difficult games


Anyway, we knew it wasn't going to be plain sailing. It's a brand new team, imo, it's still missing some elements as well, we knew that we'd have to deal with games like this before the season started. It was never going to be a seamless transition. I'm just glad we still managed to get away with all 3 points

Posted by: William405 Aug 27 2017, 10:22 PM

I thought it was a really entertaining game! Montella took some time to get the change done. In my opinion, he should have done something coming out of the second half because clearly something was going bad there.

But, you know what, even if it was late, he did a change. And, it totally changed the team around! Suddenly, Kessie was a bomb again(too bad that goal was disallowed), and the midfield looked more in control of the game.

Although Monto is obviously not the best pick to play behind the strikers, but he did well for the occasion. I think a younger Monto could play there, but currently he is in no shape to do that. But, he does cover his space pretty well, and provides us with extra coverage that Hakan per say might not provide.

The fullbacks were really positive. They provide some really nice attacking options, although, I thought at times they were somewhat lacking on the defensive side. But, the game was probably out of our hands at the moment, so I would be more likely to blame a broken midfield for that.

The centerbacks were also sometimes rocky, but they did have to defend a lot!

So, I think the formation and the tactics were part of the problem for the first half more than the individuals. Obviously, I don't think Borini should start, and specially as a winger. But, then again that is his only he is starting for us, because he would be so down in the pecking order as a striker. Honestly, Niang would have been much better there.

So, in conclusion, I think this was a really good match because it taught us lots of valuable lessons. In addition, we did also get the 3 points.

Man of the match has to be Suso
Flop of the match: Borini

Posted by: William405 Aug 27 2017, 10:25 PM

Fully agreed there. But, really the price-tag has nothing to do with it. You can't buy understanding. It's just something that has to click between the center-backs, and this takes time. No money can buy you through that in my opinion! Put Thiago Silva in a new Milan and he would struggle.

Posted by: William405 Aug 27 2017, 10:26 PM

Totally agreed.

It's something that they do always for the fans who came to watch them. It shows an appreciation for the fans coming. I like it.

Posted by: William405 Aug 27 2017, 10:29 PM

That's the beauty of a forum where we can discuss the differences in ideas.

X-off thought it was a terrible match, but I really enjoyed it.

Why "back to earth with a bumb" though? Was the general consensus that we were ready to go full throttle with a totally new team?

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 27 2017, 10:31 PM

I don't agree that the formation was a bigger part of the problem than the players. It goes without saying that 4-3-3 is not suited for us, but the players were completely out if it for the majority of the game. The fact that they kept losing balls, duels and seemed half-assed all around has got nothing to do with tactics.

We need to put more heart in our performance first and foremost. Everything else comes after. If we showed the same determination and desire to win that Cagliari put tonight than we wouldn't have had such a hard time winning this.

Posted by: William405 Aug 27 2017, 10:33 PM

Agreed about the system. I think we should be tactically flexible to be able to use them both depending on injuries and opponents. Hakan was bad, I agree. There is some simple stuff that he is doing wrong. I don't deny that the system can affect his performance, but even so, he can do much much better.

Posted by: William405 Aug 27 2017, 10:40 PM

How can you say that when we clearly noticed an improvement in the all of the team's performance after the change?

I don't agree that the players were playing "half-assed". They looked tactically lost, and you cannot correct that with no matter how much running you do.

Also, I feel that Cagliari played a beautiful game, so props to them as well.

Posted by: William405 Aug 27 2017, 10:53 PM

Off-topic:

Is there any plan to do a thread for each game in order to vote for a man of the match/flop of the match Pippo?

Posted by: Danny Aug 27 2017, 10:57 PM

Ok, some post-match ramblings. I'll reply to any current replies to me tomorrow.

Right, first off I think Borini is getting a really harsh press. He was not a fashionable signing and no one likes him, but he's filling that role of the unglamorous worker who will run his @ss off and can actually play a bit. Did I envisage him as a starter when we signed him? No. But he is not disgracing the shirt and fights for it. More than can be said for quite a few others.

Secondly the ref got some key calls dead right. He got one or two wrong, but he did NOT in any way influence the outcome of the match in a negative way. The major stuff he got right. He is the least of our concerns. I'm fed up with refs being blamed for things.

Montella is becoming a problem - on paper this was 4-3-3 for no reason other than it just was, but on the pitch it was somewhere between one and a 4-2-3-1 but there seemed little logic between the changes. It's a poorly conceived formation and isn't working. It hasn't worked since November last year yet Montella just won't change it. He confirmed pre-match that the one formation we've actually looked quite good in, 3-5-2 v the Macedonians, has been ditched. It wasn't right, apparently. I just don't understand what he is trying to do. It appears to have no plan at all.

Calhanoglu doesn't fit. He is so far a shockingly bad signing. He has no vision, he can't dribble, and there comes a point where his 4 month ban stops being an excuse. Right now he's a waste of a jersey, and that saddens me because he looked a bit better in pre-season. But then I've learned now just how much of a fraud pre-season really is.

Defence is diabolical. It's being cut open even more easily than it was last year, and while I accept giving it time, Bonucci continues to look borderline dreadful and Musacchio barely any better. Bonucci was lucky not to get a red card.

Fullbacks were intriguing. Conti started well and looked neat going forward, and became more defensive as it wore on. It was his best display, even though I suspect he can be far better overall. Rodriguez I liked - wonderful display going forward and worked hard defensively too. Has no pace but doesn't really need any.

Kessie I thought had his worst match in our shirt. Constantly gave the ball away, but he looked ill at ease on the right - when he got going a bit later on he did marginally improve but it was by some distance his poorest show. I like him a lot and hope it's a one off.

Things changed significantly when Cal went off and Biglia went on. Our shape suddenly looked tighter, and while not a massive improvement in play, the organisation was better and we looked less vulnerable. Biglia seemed to give a sense of calm to midfield without even being that heavily involved.

Suso was brilliant - I take my hat off to him, he's making me look silly. An assist and a goal. Been brilliant this season overall and on this form remains our best player when in the mood. It's when he dips that he starts to flounder and that's when he pisses me off. His assist for Cutrone was one of the best I've ever seen. 100% intentional.

Cutrone is continuing to be the real deal - scored again and even though service started to dry up for him, he was always working. It's hilarious that Silva is now third choice striker.

Kalinic can clearly work hard, but so can Borini. Nothing he did was notable and I still can't figure why we signed him.

Montella. Mate. Figure this out. Figure out where you want to go with this Milan. There is no point f*cking around with formations and selections. Stop p*ssing about and pick the best team and formation with the players you have. I thought the 4-3-3 last season was because it was the best one for the players he has, but he's still bloody using it. He's not convincing me yet that he is the right guy long term, but then Sir Alex took 6 or 7 seasons to even win a trophy at Man Utd so I guess there's hope!

Overall the match was great for 20 minutes, but the water break ruined our momentum and we were second best till Biglia came on. That's not good enough. We need to figure this out because while there were glimpses of a top four team in there, right now it won't finish there if we struggle this much v Cagliari.

Posted by: Danny Aug 27 2017, 11:00 PM

Ah, starting to agree with a few things in here now

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 27 2017, 11:00 PM

Here are my ratings:

Donnarumma - 6 - messy passing, some solid saves and interventions outside his box, overall nothing special

Conti - 6.5 - much effort, a bit defensively shakey but okay
Bonucci - 5.5 - his commanding and passing were good, but he was also borderline dirty, brutal, aerially beaten in several occasions and slow
Musacchio - 6 - solid but needs to up his game
Rodriguez 6.5 - great passing and game feel overall but made also a few defensive hiccups

Montolivo - 5.5 - tried his best but mostly wasn't precise enough
Çalhanoğlu - 5 - typical Çalhanoğlu game, nonchalant and mild, precisely why he wasn't good enough for a midtable German team
Kessie - 5.5 - needs to improve his defensive game pronto
Suso - 7.5 - by far our best player
Borini - 6 - put in much effort, surprised with a few sprints and shots but overall a very limited player

Cutrone - 7 - once again scored and put in much effort
---------------

Biglia - 6.5 - big improvement when compared to Monto or Hakan
Kalinić - N/A
Antonelli - N/A

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 27 2017, 11:04 PM

Oh come on, the players probably celebrated a full San Siro and the season start at home. You're getting irritated by way too many details Han

Our main problem IMO is the midfield. I'm now realizing why we're after Renato Sanches. We need more strength and stability. Kessie is defensively very clumsy and unreliable, which I suppose would be okay if it weren't for the physically weak, nonchalant and error-prone Montolivo and Hakan. Çalhanoğlu will be a problem and I can only see him as a utility bench player.

But yes, Montella needs to decide on many things. This is why I always said that if we wanna play a 3 defense, we should implement the system sooner rather then later.

Posted by: Fishdoll Aug 27 2017, 11:07 PM

Well, that wasn't the prettiest game for me to watch. Most of the players didn't play all that well - but the team di grind out a win. I'm not all that surprised people seemed off -- most of these guys haven't played together before and there were bound to be growing pains.

Posted by: d'Arc.LP Aug 27 2017, 11:12 PM

Danny shall we start with the ratings ?

Donnarumma: 7.5 - Some great saves, we wouldn't have gotten 3 points without him. Couldn't do anything about the conceded goal and looks much better and confident with the ball on his legs. Glad that we held on to him.

Conti: 7.5 - Very good work rate contrary to the previous games. Liked him quite much and pairs perfectly with Suso. Maybe he can work more in the defensive part and improve, but he is surely an improvement of Abate.

Musacchio: 6 - Not his best night, seemed quite unsure with the ball and actually made some mistakes. Also he wasn't very good in building the game from the back.

Bonucci: 6.5 - I would rate him 5.5 based only on his 1st half, being quite poor and making mistakes, but improved his game by a lot in the second half. I'd like to see him be more concrete, more strong in the duels.

Rodriguez: 7 - Same evaluation as Conti, only he has been less active in the front but I think having a mate like Borini with him in the left doesnt help at all.

Kessie: 6 - His worst game till now, not like we have been used to see from him. He was the main reason why we conceded that goal which would be much more suffering if Suso didnt score.

Montolivo: 6.5 - As usual, not good, but the best of our midfield. Even if he wasnt good at playmaking, at least he ran a lot and covered much more space than Hakan and Kessie.

Hakan: 5 - FLOP! I said I wont judge him until he is played in his position but his mistakes tonight were nothing compared to his position. Couldnt pass, couldnt hold the ball, not even dribble or anything else. Lost every duel. A match to forget for him. We saw that in his face when he was in the bench.

Suso: 8 - MOM! Assist + A spectacular goal. He dominated that right wing, cant really comment on how good he is. Dont remember we had a good winger like him in a long time. He might miss some stamina and I would rate him 9 if he ran more and covered more space but when he has the ball he knows what to do.

Cutrone: 7.5 - Silvas signature might seem useless after all if he continues to perform like this. Did his job, scored a great chance. Also he is very good with his back to the goal. Im really enjoying him play.

Borini: 6 - The guy brings nothing to the team. Appart from running, he is useless. Cant remember doing anything useful, a good pass, run, cross or shot. Nothing.

I will rate subs with NA cos the team wasnt trying so much and neither Kalinic or Biglia could show their qualities. As for Antonelli, he is always a 0 for me.

Montella: 6 - The guy needs to be more flexibile regarding the formation and philosophy. 4-3-3 makes Bonucci, Conti, Rodriguez and Hakan play worse than they are. It also makes Silva and Kalinic stay in bench. While with a 3-4-2-1 or 3-4-1-2 we would have a much more interactive formation, a formation that would make everyone look better.

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 27 2017, 11:14 PM

It was the fact that Cagliari equalized which woke us up. What system change are you referring to? It was the same formation, just Montolivo took Hakan's position. Biglia was playing as anchor and Kessie occupied his usual position on the right.

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 27 2017, 11:22 PM

Here's a question, if we played 3-4-3, which of these players would you play in the attacking trio (could be one AM and two strikers or two AMs and one striker):

Calhanoglu
Bonaventura
Suso
Borini
Cutrone
Silva
Kalinic

Clearly a lot of players will be left out.

Personally, I'd go with Bona and Suso behind Silva.

Posted by: Danny Aug 28 2017, 12:01 AM

I made mine more abstract this week. But let's dance

Donnarumma: 7.5 - Some great saves, we wouldn't have gotten 3 points without him. Couldn't do anything about the conceded goal and looks much better and confident with the ball on his legs. Glad that we held on to him.

Not so convinced about the ball at his feet but yes, he's been a vast improvement this season on second half of last. Made some great saves in this match.

Conti: 7.5 - Very good work rate contrary to the previous games. Liked him quite much and pairs perfectly with Suso. Maybe he can work more in the defensive part and improve, but he is surely an improvement of Abate.

Bit harsh on Abate, he was a great servant for us. But this was, as I said, Conti's best game for us.



Both rubbish. Simple as. I got slated on here a week ago for being so critical (not by you), particularly re: Bonucci and now everyone can see it.



He lacks pace. Otherwise he's a good asset to the team and he's growing on me.



Generous with the score. I'd have gone 5 at most.



I didn't mention him but I was quietly impressed with him tonight. I think he's handling this new Milan era quite well.



Yeah, as us Scots would say, mince.



His one flaw was his failure to track back for one big chance they had = Conti was out of position and no one was covering. But then it's never been Suso's remit to defend so I guess that won't change. Otherwise really good night.



Our best striker. Easily.



And yet you scored him higher than Cal I really don't mind Borini at all. He's a player's player.



Quite simply this squad is a 3-5-2.

It's filled with midfielders and three massive defenders. It is set from the ground up for that formation and it is surely only a matter of time before we go it?

Donna

Musac, Bonucci, Romagni

Conti Jack Kessie Biglia Rodriguez

----------Suso
---------------Cutrone

Posted by: d'Arc.LP Aug 28 2017, 08:51 AM

So, what do we do with Kalinic and Silva ?

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 28 2017, 09:18 AM

Hakan is bench material, just like Borini. Bonaventura can play in midfield, which is IMO preferable. That leaves us with 3 starters and one bench player. So I'd play Suso-Silva and whoever is in better form between Cutrone and Kalinić. Simple.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Aug 28 2017, 10:34 AM

I hate 3-5-2. It's a dumb stupid formation only good for playing on the counter. We don't have the pace for that. Maybe a 3-4-3, but we'd get skewered on the defence front.

Yesterday's performance was mostly down to players getting to know each other. There was no chemistry. We had some ideas, but we were just a beat behind in execution while Cagliari were better at getting to press and more mobile.

That's fine. We'll get there I guess.

Posted by: Danny Aug 28 2017, 10:39 AM

Regret signing them. And no one could have foreseen the rise of Cutrone.

That said, even in the current formation there's only space for one striker anyway.

Posted by: Danny Aug 28 2017, 10:42 AM

I won't totally oppose this view, but that's the best formation for this squad.

4-4-2 isn't. We have one winger (how often does Jack actually put crosses in!) and it doesn't work for Cal.

4-3-3 isn't. We have one winger and not a mobile enough midfield. And it doesn't work for Cal.

4-2-3-1 isn't. We don't have two DMs or two deep lying mids capable of the DP.

3-5-2 is the best fit for the players we have. Starting think Sheva may actually have had a point.

Posted by: Danny Aug 28 2017, 10:51 AM

Yeah, and I specified I wasn't necessarily agreeing with said general consensus.



Thought the ref was fine.



He pulled his man down ffs. Really?!



Can't argue with that.



Weren't you part of the crew that gave me dog's abuse for saying Bonucci was struggling and that he suited a back 3 better? No matter, it's remaining a big problem and we've still not played a good side. Next week is the first real test against a credible team in Lazio. At their patch. This defence is miles off being ready for it.



What I find worrying is that our first modest test was honestly a borderline fail. We'd had five p*ss easy matches and some of you were actually buying into the results. Today we went toe to toe with what will be a probably relegation candidate - with all their players, and while things were good for 20 minutes, they fell apart after the water break.

That looked a lot like the Milan we've been used to for five years quite honestly.

If we struggle against teams like this on our own turf, bigger tests could have depressing results. And that defence looks appalling.

Posted by: Danny Aug 28 2017, 10:54 AM

Yes.



I'm starting to understand why Pippo has been so castigating of him.



Doubt 4-2-3-1 will work a lot better but I would prefer it over 4-3-3.

Posted by: Danny Aug 28 2017, 10:59 AM

Looking at all the analysis, with everyone now saying what I did last week, is any brave soul going to actually admit I was right about Bonucci? I took a lot of shite from you lot about it!

Posted by: han2503 Aug 28 2017, 11:40 AM

Disagree here. it was clear we went for a 4-2-3-1 once Biglia came on. Monto pushed up and was playing behind the striker while Biglia and Kessie where clearly in a double pivot.


First half we were atrocious because I think no one knew wtf they were doing. Hakan and Borini to me looked the most lost out there with both of them making bad runs, getting in each other's way and just generally looked out of the game. The formation change clearly made a huge impact, sure the goal woke the players up a bit (especially Kessie), but you can't disregard how we looked much more compact once Montella shifted the players around.

Some observations going by the comments here:

Bonucci: Once again Danny, you simply go to the extreme for no reason. Rubbish? Come on now! He's taking his time to adjust, he had some good moments and some bad ones. And this can be applied to the entire group imo. All of the players, even guys like Suso and Cutrone who were the best 2 out there imo, had some iffy moments where they could have done better. It's going to take time for the team to really click with each other. We've been saying this all summer, yet now that the season has started we're going into meltdowns and labelling players rubbish because we're seeing what we'd already anticipated months ago? Bonucci is clearly going to need some time to get out of that Juve bubble he was in and adjust to playing for a different team in a system that is still a work in progress compared to the rock solid one he's been in at Juve for the last 6 years

Musacchio: Again, saw some criticism. He needs time as well. Montella is simply not helping things by using a different pairing each game. He should have let Bonucci and Musacchi play in all the games they were available for.

Hakan: No doubt a terrible game from him. But again, he's struggling to adapt and the position he's being played in simply does not suit him. It's not an excuse to say his ban is effecting hisd performance, but he clearly looks not completely match ready right now imo, just slightly off the pace which can really cripple you in such a physical game. I disdagree that he has no vision, his other games for us have shown us that he's a very intelligent passer he was simply not on his game yesterday

Kessie: Really off game, and I find it worrying how dependent we are on him in midfield as well. He's the driving force behind it atm and we looked one dimensional when he was struggling but looked much better when he finally woke up

Monto: He was decent, looked very tired in the last 30 minutes or so, but Biglia showed what we've been missing for a while now in the few minutes he was on the pitch

Cutrone: The kid is Pippo inzaghi with footballing skills. Like I've been saying for a while now, we shouldn't put too much pressure on him, he's obviously ice cold in front of goal but we need to handle him delicately as I don't want to see another situation where we ruin a very talented young attacker. Silva and Kalinic will need to really show what they can do when they get the chance. Too bad Montella is useing a formation that limits us to only using one while Borini starts

Borini: He was a ghost for most of the game, he's getting some mild praise because he runs a lot? So what, his running is useless, he's like the striker version of Poli. At times I even forgot he was on the pitch that's how ineffectual all his running is. He's partly to blame for why our left side is so weak compared to our right. Look how Suso makes it seem so effertless to link up with his mid and FB. They all bring each other into the game with smart runs and passing while our left side is dead and imo Borini is very much to blame for this.

Montella & formation: All I have to say is that Montella needs to resolve this formation issue ASAP

Posted by: Danny Aug 28 2017, 11:56 AM

Usual stuff. "Yeah but..."

Yawn.

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 28 2017, 02:11 PM

I'm sorry, what? Biglia and Kessie are very, very capable of playing in the double pivot. It's where they played last season for Lazio and Atalanta, albeit it was a 3-4-1-2 in their case.



That's the impression you got, but I assure you that nothing changed. Watch the second half again, you'll notice that Monto and Kessie occupied the mezz'ala positions whereas Biglia played in the center. In no moment did Monto play behind the striker. He shifted there a few times during play, but that's completely normal in the flow of the game. So did Hakan in the first half.

Posted by: Danny Aug 28 2017, 02:55 PM

Please cut the terse and sarcastic tone with me. I'm allowed to make a post without such condescension greeting it.



I wouldn't put Kessie in defensive midfield if he was the last player we had.

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 28 2017, 03:06 PM

I seriously suggest you calm down. You're starting to take every comment and remark as if we're trying to insult your intelligence or something, even though apparently it's totally fine for you to call Han's opinion as ignorant and arrogant. That's not cool.

Mine was a completely harmless comment. If somehow I offended you that wasn't my intention at all.

Posted by: Danny Aug 28 2017, 03:21 PM

I'm completely calm. I was only referring to you.



Some of mine are too. As are some of yours. wtf has got you so wound up?



Nothing offends me, but I won't take being belittled by anyone for expressing my opinion. My opinion may well be a pile of shite, but it's my pile of shite.

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 28 2017, 03:40 PM

You had the same reaction vs Fillipo, as well.



That's my point. I wasn't belittling you by any means. You're simply overreacting.

Posted by: Danny Aug 28 2017, 03:45 PM

You'll need to quote me.



You must remember tone is lost in text/online. You challenged my assertion by implying it was ludicrous. I don't think it's ludicrous to point out Kessie sucked for us in DM and DP's rarely work for us. And I mean DP in front of the back four.

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 28 2017, 06:21 PM

http://www.milanfan.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=8698&view=findpost&p=417395



Listen to yourself. Where did I ever imply any of that? 'Sorry, what' is simply an exclamation from my part at your point of view, but it does not imply in any way whatsoever that I am belittling you or that I am considering your assertion as ludicrous. That's going overboard mate, and I am sorry you see it that way.

Posted by: Danny Aug 28 2017, 07:15 PM

Oh I stand by that one a thousand percent.



To say 'sorry, what?' is condescension - it is sarcasm in text to suggest what you're hearing is absolutely ridiculous.

To say it in real life either means you genuinely did not hear the person, or you find their view so comical you're pretending you must have misheard what they said.

It's not going overboard, it's called language differences. I accept you might not realise what that truly meant in English, and sometimes I forget folk on here don't primarily speak English.

So, let's shake hand over a silly misunderstanding.

Still don't want a DP with them two, mind.

Posted by: han2503 Aug 28 2017, 07:15 PM

Hmm. Okay...

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 7 2017, 09:11 AM

Lazio-Milan topic anyone?