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Posted by: han2503 Mar 7 2014, 02:19 PM

I think Seedorf will rest some players since we play Atletico on Tuesday. Poli and Balo are still doubtful, I'd rather he saves them for Atletico, especially since Honda is cup-tied

Posted by: han2503 Mar 7 2014, 02:27 PM

Correction; Seedorf just confirmed that Zapata and Balo are both fit. Still I'd rather he makes them sit this one out to avoid them getting injured. I'd rather have Zapata over Bonera starting on Tuesday.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Mar 7 2014, 02:51 PM

Highly unlikely we will qualify, even if we did qualify (by some miracle, in that Atletico won't show up) Serie A should be more of a priority if anything.

This because every game counts in Serie A, and Undine Se are no push overs. I would have my best players on the pitch for this one. Regardless if Lada is Cup tied or not.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 7 2014, 03:02 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Mar 7 2014, 02:51 PM) *
Highly unlikely we will qualify, even if we did qualify (by some miracle, in that Atletico won't show up) Serie A should be more of a priority if anything.

This because every game counts in Serie A, and Undine Se are no push overs. I would have my best players on the pitch for this one. Regardless if Lada is Cup tied or not.

But technically speaking Serie A is already over for us, I'd rather not make EL if it came down to it. While in the CL I really do believe we still have a fair shot of going through, call me crazy but I do think that if we play like we have been so far I think we can give it a more than good go.

Either way, I'm not saying let's rest the entire starting 11 and play with a Coppa Italia style second string. But resting players like Zapata and Balo who just came back from injuries and Kaka who can't really handle playing so many games on top of each other isn't going to make that big of a difference. We've been starting with Bonera for weeks now, and aside from a couple of small mishaps which Rami covered for he's been decent, same goes with Pazzo who has covered for Balo for the last 2 games now.

Honda usually starts anyway, what I'm saying is, we rest Kaka and Poli who will both be needed on Tuesday and play Honda, Taraabt and Robinho in attack. Because if something does happen to Kaka we'll be screwed on Tuesday as he cannot be as easily replaced due to Honda being cup-tied in that competition

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 7 2014, 03:08 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Mar 7 2014, 02:51 PM) *
Highly unlikely we will qualify, even if we did qualify (by some miracle, in that Atletico won't show up) Serie A should be more of a priority if anything.


???

Technically speaking, we can still win the CL, whereas in Italy the best we can do is Europa League, which I do not want. So, I can't see how Serie A should be a priority.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 7 2014, 08:19 PM

Yeah, every game counts..in which way?

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Mar 7 2014, 11:40 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Mar 7 2014, 11:19 PM) *
Yeah, every game counts..in which way?


Because it's my opinion smile.gif

True the race for the top 3 places is over for us, but we could get 5th place easily. The sooner we get there the better, hence playing a strong team because three points do count.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Mar 7 2014, 11:40 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Mar 7 2014, 11:19 PM) *
Yeah, every game counts..in which way?


Because it's my opinion smile.gif

True the race for the top 3 places is over for us, but we could get 5th place easily. The sooner we get there the better, hence playing a strong team because three points do count.

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 7 2014, 11:57 PM

Mediaset line-up: Abbiati; De Sciglio, Zapata, Mexes, Emanuelson; Muntari, Montolivo; Birsa, Honda, Robinho; Pazzini.

Heavy turnover.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2014, 09:22 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 7 2014, 11:57 PM) *
Mediaset line-up: Abbiati; De Sciglio, Zapata, Mexes, Emanuelson; Muntari, Montolivo; Birsa, Honda, Robinho; Pazzini.

Heavy turnover.

Well that's Coppa style changes right there...

Birsa... Had nearly, NEARLY forgot about him

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 8 2014, 12:43 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Mar 8 2014, 09:22 AM) *
Well that's Coppa style changes right there...

Birsa... Had nearly, NEARLY forgot about him


Hopefully Honda will play in the middle this time.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Mar 8 2014, 04:51 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 7 2014, 04:08 PM) *
Technically speaking, we can still win the CL

Technically speaking we can still finish top 3 in Serie A.

Neither are going to happen.

Posted by: KillerMax Mar 8 2014, 05:29 PM

(Official) Milan: Abbiati; De Sciglio, Zapata, Mexes, Emanuelson; Montolivo, Muntari; Honda, Birsa, Robinho; Pazzini

Posted by: KillerMax Mar 8 2014, 05:30 PM

I think if anyone, Monto should have been rested.

Posted by: KillerMax Mar 8 2014, 05:31 PM

And let's see if Robinho decides to show up today... rolleyes.gif

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2014, 05:34 PM

QUOTE (KillerMax @ Mar 8 2014, 05:30 PM) *
I think if anyone, Monto should have been rested.

Agreed, especially since either Essien or De Jong could start on Tuesday but we really have no one who can properly replace Monto in that position

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Mar 8 2014, 05:38 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 8 2014, 08:43 AM) *
Hopefully Honda will play in the middle this time.

I suspect Birsa's being tried at RW, so yeah

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Mar 8 2014, 05:41 PM

QUOTE (KillerMax @ Mar 8 2014, 01:31 PM) *
And let's see if Robinho decides to show up today... rolleyes.gif

Yeah for all the Birsa hate, i know he is easily 4 times the player Robi is and gets paid alot less then Robi's 3.5M. The only thing i can say agaisnt him is his lack of physical strengh, but Robi hardly offers that either...

Posted by: KillerMax Mar 8 2014, 05:45 PM

QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Mar 8 2014, 11:41 AM) *
Yeah for all the Birsa hate, i know he is easily 4 times the player Robi is and gets paid alot less then Robi's 3.5M. The only thing i can say agaisnt him is his lack of physical strengh, but Robi hardly offers that either...


4 times 0 is still 0.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2014, 05:49 PM

QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Mar 8 2014, 05:41 PM) *
Yeah for all the Birsa hate, i know he is easily 4 times the player Robi is and gets paid alot less then Robi's 3.5M. The only thing i can say agaisnt him is his lack of physical strengh, but Robi hardly offers that either...

I really think that's an over-statement if there ever was one...

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 8 2014, 05:52 PM

QUOTE (KillerMax @ Mar 8 2014, 05:45 PM) *
4 times 0 is still 0.


Good one. biggrin.gif

Posted by: KillerMax Mar 8 2014, 05:57 PM

han you got any sopcast links? livetv is being a *****.

Posted by: KillerMax Mar 8 2014, 06:00 PM

got it to work.

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 8 2014, 06:01 PM

Honda still playing on the wing FFS!

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2014, 06:02 PM

Birsa is in the centre, Honda still on the left...

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2014, 06:03 PM

QUOTE (KillerMax @ Mar 8 2014, 05:57 PM) *
han you got any sopcast links? livetv is being a *****.

Check here

http://www.wiziwig.tv/competition.php?part=sports&discipline=football

Watching on TV today

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Mar 8 2014, 06:03 PM

Any streams? My satellite is not working

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 8 2014, 06:03 PM

Pass it Robinho you ****!

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 8 2014, 06:03 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Mar 8 2014, 06:03 PM) *
Any streams? My satellite is not working


http://livefootballvideo.com/streaming/italy/serie-a/udinese-vs-ac-milan

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2014, 06:04 PM

lol Birsa in the centre is just laughable

Got robbed of the ball and we nearly conceded just now

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2014, 06:05 PM

Wow, what a ball Monto, good chance

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Mar 8 2014, 06:11 PM

QUOTE (KillerMax @ Mar 8 2014, 01:45 PM) *
4 times 0 is still 0.

+1 laugh.gif

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 8 2014, 06:14 PM

Hold on, the commentator said that Monto can't play against Atletico... blink.gif

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2014, 06:14 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 8 2014, 06:14 PM) *
Hold on, the commentator said that Monto can't play against Atletico... blink.gif

What? Why?

Great chance, Pazzo misses.

Posted by: KillerMax Mar 8 2014, 06:16 PM

lol Did Pazzo just try to protect his face and use his hands to hit the ball? laugh.gif

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 8 2014, 06:16 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Mar 8 2014, 06:14 PM) *
What? Why?

Great chance, Pazzo misses.


Don't know. The fact that he's playing today makes me worry it might be true. unsure.gif

Posted by: Linkman Mar 8 2014, 06:17 PM

too many yellows maybe?

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 8 2014, 06:19 PM

QUOTE (Linkman @ Mar 8 2014, 06:17 PM) *
too many yellows maybe?


Wasn't it a straight red against Ajax?

Posted by: KillerMax Mar 8 2014, 06:21 PM

Seedorf, the way you have setup the front 4 is confused and shambolic.

Sincerely,

A disgruntled fan

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 8 2014, 06:22 PM

QUOTE (KillerMax @ Mar 8 2014, 06:21 PM) *
Seedorf, the way you have setup the front 4 is confused and shambolic.

Sincerely,

A disgruntled fan


Robinho and Birsa are useless, Honda is being misplaced. Result = total borefest.

Posted by: KillerMax Mar 8 2014, 06:23 PM

OMG the way the likes of Muntari and Birsa are playing makes me soooo ANGRY!!!!! AGGHHHH

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 8 2014, 06:24 PM

Birsa... Wow, just wow...

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2014, 06:27 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 8 2014, 06:22 PM) *
Robinho and Birsa are useless, Honda is being misplaced. Result = total borefest.

I think Robinho is doing ok, Birsa in the centre is just the big face palm

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 8 2014, 06:30 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Mar 8 2014, 06:27 PM) *
I think Robinho is doing ok, Birsa in the centre is just the big face palm


OK? He can't do sh*t.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2014, 06:31 PM

What a miss Zapata!

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2014, 06:32 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 8 2014, 06:30 PM) *
OK? He can't do sh*t.

He's made a couple of really good plays with his passes and movements. No nothing earth shattering but he hasn't been a problem for us, unlike Birsa

Posted by: Linkman Mar 8 2014, 06:32 PM

Good one Pazzo...

I think we'll win in the 70 or so minute mark, after we sub in some quality upfront.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2014, 06:33 PM

They're finally doing some good link ups

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 8 2014, 06:36 PM

This looks like a Coppa game.

Posted by: KillerMax Mar 8 2014, 06:36 PM

Wow, I just noticed Honda is Asian.

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 8 2014, 06:40 PM

QUOTE (KillerMax @ Mar 8 2014, 06:36 PM) *
Wow, I just noticed Honda is Asian.


huh.gif

Posted by: KillerMax Mar 8 2014, 06:40 PM

This referee is sort of an idiot ha...

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2014, 06:43 PM

How many corners do we have to ruin before we stop with this short corner BS??

Posted by: KillerMax Mar 8 2014, 06:43 PM

Birsa just dribbled himself out of a great position... Well done.

Posted by: KillerMax Mar 8 2014, 06:47 PM

omg Birsa you are making me cry... Literal tears are about to roll down my face...

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 8 2014, 06:47 PM

Birsa must f*ck off. Seriously. He's Acerbi-Mesbah-Traoré level. Even lower than Muntari!

Posted by: KillerMax Mar 8 2014, 06:49 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 8 2014, 12:47 PM) *
Birsa must f*ck off. Seriously. He's Acerbi-Mesbah-Traoré level. Even lower than Muntari!


Even Genoa were benching him...

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 8 2014, 06:50 PM

QUOTE (KillerMax @ Mar 8 2014, 06:49 PM) *
Even Genoa were benching him...


Both Genoa and Torino

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2014, 07:02 PM

QUOTE (KillerMax @ Mar 8 2014, 06:43 PM) *
Birsa just dribbled himself out of a great position... Well done.

This made me laugh.gif so hard

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2014, 07:03 PM

Still I don't think Seedorf should make any changes any time soon. I'd gladly sacrifice this game if it means we have a fully fit side for the CL game

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2014, 07:07 PM

Great header Robinho, saved!

Posted by: Linkman Mar 8 2014, 07:07 PM

Even with our B-team out there we look better than under Allegri. Good link-up Birsa, Robi, Honda, Urby.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2014, 07:08 PM

QUOTE (Linkman @ Mar 8 2014, 07:07 PM) *
Even with our B-team out there we look better than under Allegri. Good link-up Birsa, Robi, Honda, Urby.

That is true...

Posted by: Linkman Mar 8 2014, 07:12 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 8 2014, 03:47 PM) *
Birsa must f*ck off. Seriously. He's Acerbi-Mesbah-Traoré level. Even lower than Muntari!


Btw lay off Acerbi he kicks *** in my Fifa 13 team laugh.gif

I wiki'd him now and the dude got testicular cancer again. =/

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2014, 07:13 PM

QUOTE (Linkman @ Mar 8 2014, 07:12 PM) *
Btw lay off Acerbi he kicks *** in my Fifa 13 team laugh.gif

I wiki'd him now and the dude got testicular cancer again. =/

True, Acerbi is a beast on Fifa 13 biggrin.gif

Great last ditch tackle from Honda.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2014, 07:15 PM

Muntari off

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2014, 07:15 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Mar 8 2014, 07:15 PM) *
Muntari off

Correction, Birsa off instead

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2014, 07:20 PM

Balo for Robi

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2014, 07:25 PM

Di Natale

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 8 2014, 07:25 PM

we are so poor....

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 8 2014, 07:26 PM

QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Mar 8 2014, 07:25 PM) *
we are so poor....


Coppa game.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 8 2014, 07:28 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 8 2014, 08:26 PM) *
Coppa game.

i just tuned at around 50 min mark since then we have done nothing...

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2014, 07:28 PM

QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Mar 8 2014, 07:25 PM) *
we are so poor....

Well this is what happens when there a complete turnover in the starting 11.

Muntari is seriously p!ssing me off now, gave the ball away that started their counter to score, and now he's just lost it plus he's just commited a dangerous foul on Di Natale while on a yellow

Thankfully he comes off as I'm typing this

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 8 2014, 07:29 PM

QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Mar 8 2014, 07:28 PM) *
i just tuned at around 50 min mark since then we have done nothing...


Huge turn-over, low motivation, everyone focused for Atletico.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2014, 07:31 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 8 2014, 07:29 PM) *
Huge turn-over, low motivation, everyone focused for Atletico.

This reminds me of the Carlo days when everyone could barely give a rat's @ss about Serie A when a CL game was close

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2014, 07:33 PM

Totally seem to have folded it in now. Just giving the ball away under no pressure

This is a copy of that Coppa game we played against them

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2014, 07:35 PM

1 positive, Honda is so good when he gets into those pockets of space in the centre

Posted by: KillerMax Mar 8 2014, 07:38 PM

Oh f@ck the double standards... These games are important to me and I'm getting tired of Seedorf's ways already. Enough is enough. Tired of getting schooled by weak @ss teams every other week. Allegri was terrible, but that doesn't make Seedorf a great coach.

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Mar 8 2014, 07:38 PM

Why the hell is Balo playing so deep??!

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 8 2014, 07:41 PM

balo seems to be too sharp for others...

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2014, 07:42 PM

QUOTE (KillerMax @ Mar 8 2014, 07:38 PM) *
Oh f@ck the double standards... These games are important to me and I'm getting tired of Seedorf's ways already. Enough is enough. Tired of getting schooled by weak @ss teams every other week. Allegri was terrible, but that doesn't make Seedorf a great coach.

Relax man, what did you expect when you saw that line-up before the game, it was very clear what Seedorf had viewed this game as before it even started

Posted by: dst Mar 8 2014, 07:43 PM

hahahaha what the hell is this? I just tuned in five minutes ago, I've seen schoolyard football more composed.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2014, 07:44 PM

Udine's keeper has been impressive today, very good handling

Posted by: KillerMax Mar 8 2014, 07:45 PM

QUOTE (dst @ Mar 8 2014, 01:43 PM) *
hahahaha what the hell is this? I just tuned in five minutes ago, I've seen schoolyard football more composed.


F@CK YOU!!!! GIVE SEEDORF SOME TIME!!!! YOU WANTED TEH CHANGE!!!! F@CKK!!!!!

Posted by: dst Mar 8 2014, 07:45 PM

QUOTE (KillerMax @ Mar 8 2014, 06:45 PM) *
F@CK YOU!!!! GIVE SEEDORF SOME TIME!!!! YOU WANTED TEH CHANGE!!!! F@CKK!!!!!

Not just Milan, both teams

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2014, 07:46 PM

QUOTE (KillerMax @ Mar 8 2014, 07:45 PM) *
F@CK YOU!!!! GIVE SEEDORF SOME TIME!!!! YOU WANTED TEH CHANGE!!!! F@CKK!!!!!

laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2014, 07:47 PM

QUOTE (dst @ Mar 8 2014, 07:45 PM) *
Not just Milan, both teams

It's been disjointed throughout the entire game. You should have seen us with Birsa on wink.gif Magical!

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 8 2014, 07:48 PM

should play youth players if the game is not considered important.. at least they will have some motivation and point to prove...

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2014, 07:49 PM

QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Mar 8 2014, 07:48 PM) *
should play youth players if the game is not considered important.. at least they will have some motivation and point to prove...

We don't even give them a chance in the Coppa, that's something that will never happen at Milan

Posted by: KillerMax Mar 8 2014, 07:49 PM

QUOTE (dst @ Mar 8 2014, 01:45 PM) *
Not just Milan, both teams


Yeah, it reminds me of Allegri times... When we would play so shambolic and all over the place that it would literally confuse and disrupt the opposition team's game-plan...

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 8 2014, 07:50 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Mar 8 2014, 08:49 PM) *
We don't even give them a chance in the Coppa, that's something that will never happen at Milan

dry.gif we tend to change everything good about this club.. and ensure that every thing bad is stayed on...

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 8 2014, 07:51 PM

QUOTE (KillerMax @ Mar 8 2014, 07:38 PM) *
Oh f@ck the double standards... These games are important to me and I'm getting tired of Seedorf's ways already. Enough is enough. Tired of getting schooled by weak @ss teams every other week. Allegri was terrible, but that doesn't make Seedorf a great coach.


He wants to give a chance to everyone. His own words.

You shouldn't get so worked up. Against Juve, sure, I was pissed as well cos it was Juventus, and we played really well. Tonight you can just tell that nobody gives a sh*t about the game. Everyone's focused on Atletico. Even Seedorf's choices justify that.

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Mar 8 2014, 07:51 PM

I believe this can go down as our worst game yet under Seedorf! dry.gif

I was pleased with his substitutions though.

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 8 2014, 07:52 PM

QUOTE (TriniKing_CE @ Mar 8 2014, 07:51 PM) *
I believe this can go down as our worst game yet under Seedorf! dry.gif

I was pleased with his substitutions though.


The Udinese game in Coppa Italia was his worst.

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Mar 8 2014, 07:52 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 8 2014, 03:51 PM) *
He wants to give a chance to everyone. His own words.

You shouldn't get so worked up. Against Juve, sure, I was pissed as well cos it was Juventus, and we played really well. Tonight you can just tell that nobody gives a sh*t about the game. Everyone's focused on Atletico. Even Seedorf's choices justify that.

Agreed.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2014, 07:53 PM

FT

Really terrible stuff, Allegri level performance, but personally I can't really complain all that much about it without being completely hypocritical as I wanted the changes Seedorf made and said before that I'd gladly sacrifice this game

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2014, 07:54 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 8 2014, 07:52 PM) *
The Udinese game in Coppa Italia was his worst.

I think Napoli was the real stinker, from choices to performance. Everything was shambolic

Posted by: kurtsimonw Mar 8 2014, 07:57 PM

QUOTE (KillerMax @ Mar 8 2014, 08:38 PM) *
Oh f@ck the double standards... These games are important to me and I'm getting tired of Seedorf's ways already. Enough is enough. Tired of getting schooled by weak @ss teams every other week. Allegri was terrible, but that doesn't make Seedorf a great coach.

Yep.

The "lineup" excuse doesn't hold much water. Who picked the team? If we fail to go through against Atletico now after he basically threw this game, it's going to look bad.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2014, 08:01 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Mar 8 2014, 07:57 PM) *
Yep.

The "lineup" excuse doesn't hold much water. Who picked the team? If we fail to go through against Atletico now after he basically threw this game, it's going to look bad.

Who cares??

Serie A was ruined within the first 2 months. Losing this game? Does it really matter? We're not going to get relegated, and personally I wouldn't want EL football for next season if it was given to us on a silver platter. If we don't go through on Tuesday, we don't, but I know for a fact that we're going to give it one hell of a try. Look bad? What looks bad is getting hammered 4-2 by Sassuolo. Losing the game before a CL fixture isn't something unusual.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Mar 8 2014, 08:12 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Mar 8 2014, 10:57 PM) *
Yep.

The "lineup" excuse doesn't hold much water. Who picked the team? If we fail to go through against Atletico now after he basically threw this game, it's going to look bad.


Agreed, would have liked a full strength side facing Udinese this evening. As things stand Atletico are on a higher level than we are, trying to salvage something from both fixtures has backfired in this game and the return leg against Atletico Im expecting another disappointment.

Seedorf is a novice, this season is lost for us, but I would have liked more focus on Serie A. But last CL game this week, we can then focus on climbing the table.

Posted by: KillerMax Mar 8 2014, 08:18 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Mar 8 2014, 01:57 PM) *
Yep.

The "lineup" excuse doesn't hold much water. Who picked the team? If we fail to go through against Atletico now after he basically threw this game, it's going to look bad.


It's going to look bad? It already looks terrible regardless of what happens against Atletico. Just hate to see Milan going into a game like this one and putting on a vomit-inducing display.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2014, 08:41 PM

QUOTE (KillerMax @ Mar 8 2014, 08:18 PM) *
It's going to look bad? It already looks terrible regardless of what happens against Atletico. Just hate to see Milan going into a game like this one and putting on a vomit-inducing display.

Max, we used to do the exact same thing under Carlo. And back then our "2nd" string consisted of guys like Rui Costa, Stam at RB, Ambro, Pippo, Tomasson, etc. And we'd still play like a Serie B side and end up losing.

So really, it's not the first time that a Serie A game took the back seat for a CL game. Especially this time considering next Tuesday will be our last outing for the next year or so.

Posted by: Jack Bauer Mar 8 2014, 09:29 PM

There's no magic solution and no coach would make us play like Bayern after two month. I see the rest of the season as an experiment, it's a chance for Seedorf to try stuff since the season was lost long time ago. Next season will be Seedorf's big test after he'll have the chance to prepare and strengthen the team.

Having said that, we still played much better lately. The last 3 games before this one, despite the results, were better than anything Allegri's team done this season IMO. Today's bad performance is no surprise cuz of rotation.

To those asking why Monto played the whole game - because he was banned for 2 CL games and won't play in Madrid.

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 8 2014, 09:36 PM

QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Mar 8 2014, 09:29 PM) *
To those asking why Monto played the whole game - because he was banned for 2 CL games and won't play in Madrid.


What??? Why two games? F#ck!

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Mar 8 2014, 09:38 PM

QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Mar 8 2014, 05:29 PM) *
There's no magic solution and no coach would make us play like Bayern after two month. I see the rest of the season as an experiment, it's a chance for Seedorf to try stuff since the season was lost long time ago. Next season will be Seedorf's big test after he'll have the chance to prepare and strengthen the team.

Having said that, we still played much better lately. The last 3 games before this one, despite the results, were better than anything Allegri's team done this season IMO. Today's bad performance is no surprise cuz of rotation.

To those asking why Monto played the whole game - because he was banned for 2 CL games and won't play in Madrid.

+1

Posted by: Jack Bauer Mar 8 2014, 09:45 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 9 2014, 12:36 AM) *
What??? Why two games? F#ck!

uefa douchebags thought that his red card worth two games out.

Posted by: dst Mar 8 2014, 10:21 PM

Makes perfect sense; you got a red card in December? You're even playing in March!

Posted by: drucurl Mar 8 2014, 11:55 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Mar 8 2014, 04:01 PM) *
Who cares??

Serie A was ruined within the first 2 months. Losing this game? Does it really matter? We're not going to get relegated, and personally I wouldn't want EL football for next season if it was given to us on a silver platter. If we don't go through on Tuesday, we don't, but I know for a fact that we're going to give it one hell of a try. Look bad? What looks bad is getting hammered 4-2 by Sassuolo. Losing the game before a CL fixture isn't something unusual.

Took the words out my mouth as usual. Seedorf took this straight out of Carlo's playbook. Who remembers us losing to Empoli (or was it Piacenza?) one game and beating Real Madrid in the other? laugh.gif

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 8 2014, 11:58 PM

It's true that Carlo used to do it as well, but not to these extremes. But then again, we had a much, much better team back then.

Posted by: drucurl Mar 9 2014, 12:58 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 8 2014, 07:58 PM) *
It's true that Carlo used to do it as well, but not to these extremes. But then again, we had a much, much better team back then.

Well you've basically answered your issues. We used to have world class guys on our bench..... Now our starters are rejects, flops etc STARTING.

I would also like to point out that Abbiati is crap. He is good MOST of the time. Then he switches off

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Mar 9 2014, 05:52 AM

We win and Birsa is the next Messi, we loose and Seedorf is shite.

We win and Montolivo is the greatest midfielder on earth, we loose and its because Muntari was on the pitch.

We win and its because De Siglio is playing, we loose and its because he is played out of position.

We win and its because Seedorf is greater than Allegri, we loose and its because Carlo had a better team than Seedorf.


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Posted by: han2503 Mar 9 2014, 09:11 AM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Mar 9 2014, 05:52 AM) *
We win and Birsa is the next Messi, we loose and Seedorf is shite.

We win and Montolivo is the greatest midfielder on earth, we loose and its because Muntari was on the pitch.

We win and its because De Siglio is playing, we loose and its because he is played out of position.

We win and its because Seedorf is greater than Allegri, we loose and its because Carlo had a better team than Seedorf.


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You're grade A tolling R7. No one mentioned any of this

You yourself knew what would happen if Seedorf made all those changes, I knew as well but as I told you before the game, I'm more than ok with that if we give the Atletico game one serious go.

At the end of the day, will losing this game really matter in the grand scheme of things? This season was shot to hell months ago

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 9 2014, 12:43 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Mar 9 2014, 09:11 AM) *
At the end of the day, will losing this game really matter in the grand scheme of things? This season was shot to hell months ago


No, it won't. But winning would have boosted our morale. I didn't like Seedorf's picks last night. With Muntari and Birsa it was like we were literally playing with nine men.

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 9 2014, 06:10 PM

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It’s easy to do well vs. Juventus because you don’t need others to motivate you, but Milan lack team spirit in the normal matches

There's no logic in the way that the Milan players cover for each other. They lack focus. You could see that when Di Natale scored

Milan is not a team. They lack of unity and character. The players are playing for themselves, but they do try to perform well

There is a total lack of team spirit at Milan. Seedorf has a lot of work to do

Zvonimir Boban


Yep, yep, yep and yep. Every time Boban talks he hits the nail.

Posted by: Ry4n Mar 9 2014, 06:20 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Mar 9 2014, 09:52 AM) *
We win and Birsa is the next Messi, we loose and Seedorf is shite.

We win and Montolivo is the greatest midfielder on earth, we loose and its because Muntari was on the pitch.

We win and its because De Siglio is playing, we loose and its because he is played out of position.

We win and its because Seedorf is greater than Allegri, we loose and its because Carlo had a better team than Seedorf.


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The media would sap this up!

It does not just extend to this forum tbh it goes for goal.com to eurosport but its what sells i guess.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 9 2014, 08:07 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 9 2014, 06:10 PM) *
Yep, yep, yep and yep. Every time Boban talks he hits the nail.

Boban strikes me as someone who's very bitter.

It's no secret that this group was broken years ago. Yes, there is a problem with the mentality of the group, and it's still showing o certain occasions while on others you can see very clear signs of the improvements we've been making

To your earlier point about morale. I seriously don't feel that a loss of this nature is going to effect the morale all that much. I think a loss like the Juve one where they should have buried the game but got hit by 2 sucker punches is much more demoralising than a loss like yesterday's where you could clearly see that the player's weren't fighting with all they had, not to mention the disjointedness of the play due to all the line-up changes

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 9 2014, 09:52 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Mar 9 2014, 08:07 PM) *
Boban strikes me as someone who's very bitter.

It's no secret that this group was broken years ago. Yes, there is a problem with the mentality of the group, and it's still showing o certain occasions while on others you can see very clear signs of the improvements we've been making


Bitter or not, he's 100% correct. Especially about us not giving our best against weaker opponents, and everyone playing for themselves. There are always so many instances when our players simply don't pass, but go for the individual option instead, because they want to showcase their qualities. They know this is a transitory period for us, so they want to make an impression on the new coach.

QUOTE (han2503 @ Mar 9 2014, 08:07 PM) *
To your earlier point about morale. I seriously don't feel that a loss of this nature is going to effect the morale all that much. I think a loss like the Juve one where they should have buried the game but got hit by 2 sucker punches is much more demoralising than a loss like yesterday's where you could clearly see that the player's weren't fighting with all they had, not to mention the disjointedness of the play due to all the line-up changes


Every loss is demoralizing, regardless of the circumstances. I just didn't like Seedorf attitude of going there with Squad B. It implicitly sends a message to the players that this game is not important, thus resulting in a certain loss/crappy performance. And even though it doesn't matter at the end of the day in terms of points, it affects the team's morale, even to the slightest, and that's never good, especially before such an important match.

Posted by: Ry4n Mar 10 2014, 04:20 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Mar 10 2014, 12:07 AM) *
Boban strikes me as someone who's very bitter.

It's no secret that this group was broken years ago. Yes, there is a problem with the mentality of the group, and it's still showing o certain occasions while on others you can see very clear signs of the improvements we've been making

To your earlier point about morale. I seriously don't feel that a loss of this nature is going to effect the morale all that much. I think a loss like the Juve one where they should have buried the game but got hit by 2 sucker punches is much more demoralising than a loss like yesterday's where you could clearly see that the player's weren't fighting with all they had, not to mention the disjointedness of the play due to all the line-up changes

He may be very bitter but why ? :S what happened towards the end of his career ect im pretty much in the dark here.


Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 10 2014, 11:51 PM

Naah, he isn't bitter, but Han is onto something. He has no reason to be bitter: he made a last run around San Siro and got all the honorees a legend like him deserves for his farewell. Three years ago I've watched a pre-derby (Inter-Milan) interview with him: he had only good things to say - on Milan, Berlusconi, his playing years.

But...maybe Boban is aiming at a future position in the club, and is now siding early with Galliani's opposition? I have a feeling this would very well be his ambition.

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 10 2014, 11:53 PM

I think he's just blunt. That's how he feels, and he doesn't mind saying it out loud. And he's right, you know.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 11 2014, 12:04 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 11 2014, 01:53 AM) *
I think he's just blunt. That's how he feels, and he doesn't mind saying it out loud. And he's right, you know.

He is, but he's starting to sound like a broken record and that's not helping us. Sure, this team lacks soul and heart. But stating this every time we get defeated by someone isn't exactly getting us anywhere, right? I don't see any point in constantly stating the same thing again - only if there is a hidden motive. And I really think he wants a club role.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 11 2014, 12:05 AM

Oh, and new poll http://www.milanfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=8359&st=0

Posted by: KillerMax Mar 11 2014, 12:09 AM

Isn't he TV pundit? I think your mystery just got resolved. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 11 2014, 12:14 AM

He is. So what? He's been a TV pundit for quite some time.

Posted by: KillerMax Mar 11 2014, 01:40 AM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Mar 10 2014, 06:14 PM) *
He is. So what? He's been a TV pundit for quite some time.


That IT IS HIS JOB to analyze Milan's games week in week out and that is why he constantly talks about us? And Milan's performances have been terrible this season? Can't it be as simple as putting 2 and 2 together instead of looking for some weird conspiracy theory? And it is obvious he is passionate about Milan. So is Paolo Maldini. Neither of them are @ss lickers, so they say what's on their mind. Considering how we have been run and how we've been performing recently, it's no wonder they don't have much positive to say about the team.

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 11 2014, 01:38 PM

QUOTE (KillerMax @ Mar 11 2014, 01:40 AM) *
That IT IS HIS JOB to analyze Milan's games week in week out and that is why he constantly talks about us? And Milan's performances have been terrible this season? Can't it be as simple as putting 2 and 2 together instead of looking for some weird conspiracy theory? And it is obvious he is passionate about Milan. So is Paolo Maldini. Neither of them are @ss lickers, so they say what's on their mind. Considering how we have been run and how we've been performing recently, it's no wonder they don't have much positive to say about the team.


100% agreed.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 11 2014, 05:28 PM

Yet he's giving those comments to Croatian medias as well. And not only when he's commenting games for Sky or speaking in general of Serie A.

Conspiracy theory? Why would someone's ambition to work at the club at a high position be a conspiracy in any way?

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 11 2014, 05:45 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Mar 11 2014, 05:28 PM) *
Yet he's giving those comments to Croatian medias as well. And not only when he's commenting games for Sky or speaking in general of Serie A.


Maybe because the Croatian medias are asking him? Boban seems to have a general problem with Milan nowadays, like most fans do, and he speaks out loud his opinion. I see nothing wrong with that, because I can concur with 99% of the stuff he says. I feel no malice or spite in his comments, but mere honesty.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 11 2014, 05:50 PM

Agreed, he is saying the truth out loud. But does he have some constructive suggestions other then just criticism? Hmh...

Posted by: KillerMax Mar 11 2014, 06:05 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Mar 11 2014, 11:28 AM) *
Conspiracy theory? Why would someone's ambition to work at the club at a high position be a conspiracy in any way?

In this case conspiracy means: any concurrence in action; combination in bringing about a given result.(dictionary.com)

You said this: "But...maybe Boban is aiming at a future position in the club, and is now siding early with Galliani's opposition? I have a feeling this would very well be his ambition."

Now do I need to really type anymore? Do I really have to spell out that this would be the very definition of a conspiracy involving many angles including the media and Milan's hierarchy?

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Mar 11 2014, 11:50 AM) *
Agreed, he is saying the truth out loud. But does he have some constructive suggestions other then just criticism? Hmh...

He is using constructive criticism. Especially when he says: "Seedorf has a lot of work to do..." after pointing out the weak areas of our game.

I really don't understand what kind of philosophy you are using to keep arguing your point. This stuff I mentioned is pretty straightforward and clear to understand.

Posted by: KillerMax Mar 11 2014, 06:14 PM

Sorry man, I went too far. tongue.gif

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 11 2014, 06:28 PM

Well, in all honesty, you should add context to those quotes. Because this is what I generally think of when conspiracy theories are mentioned: a belief that some covert but influential organization is responsible for an unexplained event (google).

I don't think Boban is conspiring, I think he's just making his voice heard for a possible future regime change.

Look, Boban is right. I'm only a bit irritated because he's stating the obvious, he's repeating himself over and over again - which eventually turns "criticism" into something irritating or annoying. Yes, Milan lacks heart. But what's there to do? Does Boban want to start playing for us again?

Don't tell me that "Seedorf has a lot to work" is constructive. Anyone can tell you this.

Posted by: KillerMax Mar 11 2014, 07:33 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Mar 11 2014, 12:28 PM) *
Don't tell me that "Seedorf has a lot to work" is constructive. Anyone can tell you this.


He said that after mentioning the various weaknesses of the team. Meaning he is not just cussing us out, he is pointing out what needs to be worked on.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 11 2014, 08:04 PM

I just think he's bitter biggrin.gif tongue.gif

But whatevah!!

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