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Jul 27 2010, 09:03 PM
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Alskor, your analysis assumes Leonardo was a horrible coach, which I don't think is true. I don't think he is as good as Allegri, but how good Allegri really is, we have yet to see. We did not earn 70 points despite Leonardo, we earned them because of him. Not many coaches in the Serie A would have thrown a 4-3-3 together and achieved what Leo did. Yes, the 4-3-3 started to fail towards the end of the year, but this is also when Pato, one of the main components to the 4-3-3 was out. This is where Leo's ultimate blemish was, since he did not change things up.
It also assumes that Inter and Juve are done on the market. Inter have 160m to spend on transfers if the earlier report is true. I think that means improvements to their already dominate team is imminent. Juve is constantly linked with excellent players day in and day out, so improvements for them are more thank likely. Who is AC Milan linked with constantly? Freaking Blasi and Cameronesi.
So this is where the problem lies. Your point that we have bought 7 players is a solid one, because for the most part it is money well spent. But, its 10m well spent. AC Milan has now been granted CL money two years in a row, and we were fronted 90m in TV sales just a week ago. Not to mention the 50m for Kaka and the 15m for Gourcuff just a year ago. I understand most of this money goes back into the club for daily operations (and repaying debt), but there is no way that we are in the prime of transfer season and we are just letting this money sit in the bank. If Juventus, who failed to make CL this year, and was relegated just a few years back is able to even think about signing someone like Dzeko, what the heck are we doing with ourselves?
I appreciate your optimism, in fact I find it really refreshing. But I just see too many negatives right now.
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Also, milannews.it just linked us with Lazarri once more. I really don't see this one happening though. With Marchetti on the market, it would be excessive. Cagliari would lose their star GK, Mid, and coach all in one transfer season. I just don't see it. VDV would be a better option at the same price. (Cal are asking 10m, accoring to milan news)
Also in the same article it says Gattuso is not happy with Olympicos, so we may just not get anyone. Oh goody joy.
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Jul 27 2010, 09:11 PM
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Ben Arfa in talkings with New Castle - linkReal Madrid offers 25 Milion for Thiago Silva - linkJuventus to buy Krasic for 15 Milion and say goodbye to Dzeko - linkNeymar: I can leave Santos - linkThe arcticles are in albanian and you have to be registred to read them so that's why I opened an user for you : Username : MilanFan1899 Password : milanfan123
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Jul 27 2010, 10:03 PM
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QUOTE (Fishdoll @ Jul 27 2010, 08:44 PM) Thanks, d'arc. I've seen similar articles today on tuttomercatoweb, for what that's worth.
And I'm going to disagree with you Dracoris -- I think alskor's closer to right re: Leo than you seem to believe he is. I just don't think Leo was all that as a coach. Leo was no Capello Mourinho hybrid but he did imo as well as can be expected, with no experiance, the squad he was given and the injuries he had to deal with on top of that. Sure he wasn't flexible when it came to his main formation and system being disrupted, Huntelaar as winger (IMG: style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) , but then again neither was Carlo. Imo he did pretty good all the above considered. He managed to get the best we'll probably see out of Ronaldinho since 2006, he had a system in mind. I think some praise Leo a lot and some sweep what he did under the rug as if all the team managed last season was in spite of him, which imo is completely untrue, it was a team effort, the team got behind Leo and Leo persisted with what he thought was best and not let Silvio's incessant old age psycho babble sway him other ways. I think had Leo stayed a couple of more seasons he would have matured into a great coach, he's smart enough and has the charisma for it. So far I'm not all that happy with what's going on with Allegri the first press conference and Allegri barely spoke 2 words while Silvio went on and on about which formation and which players should play where. And the fact that Allegri seems satisfied with what he's being given. Hopefully I'm wrong about him and he'll give Silvio the proverbial f u and do what he think is best for the team, not let Silvio bully him into doing otherwise
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Jul 28 2010, 05:43 AM
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QUOTE (mishie @ Jul 27 2010, 03:54 PM) I feel the best signing AC Milan and all the other have made is Rafa!! He will slowly but surely weaken the team and muddle and confuse them with his tactics...mark my words the Merda will not be the team of old! (IMG: style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) Exactly. Not only that, but he insists on tinkering with the team constantly. Talented young players will be dropped from the lineup/rotation for months. Within 3 years I guarantee you Rafa will have turned over the entire roster minus 5 or 6 players. He has to make changes constantly. Its in his DNA. They may have enough this year, but the future looks much worse for Inter. I also don't think the team is a good fit with what he likes to do in attack. They're going to rely on the individual brilliance of the attacking players to break through. I think they will be vulnerable much like Argentina was in the World Cup. They have attacking players and defensive players... but who is starting the offense deep? Who connects them? Again, the individual talents of their great attack might be enough. They certainly won't be bad and they're a lock for Champions League in 2011... but I don't think they will be anywhere near the force they have been recently... and if it doesnt collapse this year then we will see it next year and even more in 2012...
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Jul 28 2010, 06:07 AM
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QUOTE (Dracoris @ Jul 27 2010, 04:03 PM) Alskor, your analysis assumes Leonardo was a horrible coach, which I don't think is true. I don't think he is as good as Allegri, but how good Allegri really is, we have yet to see. We did not earn 70 points despite Leonardo, we earned them because of him. Not many coaches in the Serie A would have thrown a 4-3-3 together and achieved what Leo did. Yes, the 4-3-3 started to fail towards the end of the year, but this is also when Pato, one of the main components to the 4-3-3 was out. This is where Leo's ultimate blemish was, since he did not change things up. I think you give Leonardo too much credit, though I agree his detractors blame him for more than he was guilty of. Certainly it is true that all of the team's problems can't be laid at his feet... but his coaching was far from a strength. He was slow to respond tactically, inflexible with his lineups and his inexperience showed many times, costing us a decent amount of points (even early in the season), in my opinion. QUOTE (Dracoris @ Jul 27 2010, 04:03 PM) It also assumes that Inter and Juve are done on the market. Inter have 160m to spend on transfers if the earlier report is true. I think that means improvements to their already dominate team is imminent. Juve is constantly linked with excellent players day in and day out, so improvements for them are more thank likely. Who is AC Milan linked with constantly? Freaking Blasi and Cameronesi.
So this is where the problem lies. Your point that we have bought 7 players is a solid one, because for the most part it is money well spent. But, its 10m well spent. AC Milan has now been granted CL money two years in a row, and we were fronted 90m in TV sales just a week ago. Not to mention the 50m for Kaka and the 15m for Gourcuff just a year ago. I understand most of this money goes back into the club for daily operations (and repaying debt), but there is no way that we are in the prime of transfer season and we are just letting this money sit in the bank. If Juventus, who failed to make CL this year, and was relegated just a few years back is able to even think about signing someone like Dzeko, what the heck are we doing with ourselves?
I appreciate your optimism, in fact I find it really refreshing. But I just see too many negatives right now. This is definitely the caveat to my remarks. Juve is many good players away from contending for silverware. Take another look at their roster. Yuck. Its like a caricature of the worst problems with the rossoneri. We have old players... they have older. We have slow players... they have slower. They have parts that don't fit together at all. Their best young talent doesn't even have a rotation spot in the formation they want to run. As for Inter having money... sure. First let me see them spend it. Moratti has completely lost his marbles recently. Only having strong managers held him in check. Where will they improve? They have four world class defensive midfielders... so they're going to blow 25 million on Mascherano??? Madness. Rafa is going to blow through that money and do nothing more than swap parts around for similar parts. Inter had great chemistry under Jose... Rafa is going to change out a few guys and ruin some of that chemistry even if there are a few incremental upgrades in talent. As to who we have been mentioned with... yes, disappointing. I don't believe Blasi or Camoranesi at all, though. Ben Arfa would be fantastic, but I think Newcastle is very close on him. As for having the money to spend... I would rather see a couple value signings/loan to buys like ben Arfa right now, to tell you the truth. If we're going to stick with the core group of players we have right now (Zambrotta/Dinho/etc...) then don't even bother with a big signing. I'm not saying I agree this group is good enough (not that optimistic at all) but if you have already made the decision to not make big changes then don't blow money for the sake of spending money... add some complementary pieces and aim for a total rebuild next summer. At this point, if you have decided to not make big changes the very worst thing we could do is to go out and make another Ronaldinho style signing to appease the fans. The last thing we need is another to hand a 5 year deal with huge wages to another 30 year old aging superstar past his prime. Time to trim the fat.
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Jul 28 2010, 06:08 AM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 27 2010, 02:03 PM) Leo was no Capello Mourinho hybrid but he did imo as well as can be expected, with no experiance, the squad he was given and the injuries he had to deal with on top of that. Sure he wasn't flexible when it came to his main formation and system being disrupted, Huntelaar as winger -_- , but then again neither was Carlo.
Imo he did pretty good all the above considered. He managed to get the best we'll probably see out of Ronaldinho since 2006, he had a system in mind. I think some praise Leo a lot and some sweep what he did under the rug as if all the team managed last season was in spite of him, which imo is completely untrue, it was a team effort, the team got behind Leo and Leo persisted with what he thought was best and not let Silvio's incessant old age psycho babble sway him other ways.
I think had Leo stayed a couple of more seasons he would have matured into a great coach, he's smart enough and has the charisma for it.
So far I'm not all that happy with what's going on with Allegri the first press conference and Allegri barely spoke 2 words while Silvio went on and on about which formation and which players should play where. And the fact that Allegri seems satisfied with what he's being given. Hopefully I'm wrong about him and he'll give Silvio the proverbial f u and do what he think is best for the team, not let Silvio bully him into doing otherwise Agreed. Leonardo was the scapegoat. The basic problem with Leonardo is 90 percent of the team he was given was the decaying Ancelotti generation and he had no time to assert his own identity in the formation. I give him props for standing up to Berlusconi. The root of the problem is the upper management of the club and their arrogance. . Like Galliani stating that the fans were ungrateful. Its just unheard of. Its like what Mourinho says he doesnt focus on the past, all that matters is now and what we do now. Berlusconi is stuck in the past. Galliani comes out and criticizes the Milan fans, saying they are ungrateful. You sold Kaka, Schevchenko, and Gourcuff is a matter of 3 years without reinvesting those funds except for Pato and Silva and you expect us to be grateful to you to watch Milan become a team that loses to MLS teams and second division teams.
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Jul 28 2010, 06:12 AM
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QUOTE (TheOgre @ Jul 27 2010, 09:53 PM) Off topic, but can someone pretty please repost the pre-season schedule? Date Opponents H / A 25 July 2010 Varese A 31 July 2010 Arsenal A 1 August 2010 Lyon N 6 August 2010 Panathinaikos N 13 August 2010 Internazionale (45 mins) N 13 August 2010 Juventus (45 mins) N 22 August 2010 Juventus H 25 August 2010 Barcelona A
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Jul 28 2010, 07:14 AM
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@ Alksor I would hit the reply button but that would make a really long post. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) -A big signing would not come in the form of a washed up 30-something year old. Berlu needs to repair his image and the only way to do that will be in the form of a young, promising player. -I think Blasi is very likely. I could easily see his performances with us while he was on loan being misconstrued into something worthwhile by our management, and then we pick him up. Cameronesi on the other hand, I agree. He won't come. -Juve will improve before the end of the window. I'd say they'll sign Krasic within the next two weeks. They shored up their defense with Bonucci. And added Pepe, which is an improvement believe it or not. I would say they are working hard to do well. -Sure, I am just as happy as anyone that Rafa is coaching Inter. I for one agree that hes not that good. But Inter have so much raw talent at the moment that I could coach them and do well. If I'm Inter, I have so much money that I would buy Dzeko just to laugh in our faces. Its crazy the kind of money they have right now. The Serie A is struggling financially and Inter is sitting on a mountain of coins laughing. -A total rebuild next summer might be too late. If we fail to finish in a European place this year, and fail in the CL, there may be nothing left to build for. Milan fans are already at the edge after a long string of sub par performances. This season could be the point where we just jump. We desperately need something right now. We don't need a Ronaldo. We need a Kaka. I'll wear the Red and Black all the way down to the Serie B. This team will always have my loyalty. But I want more from them if they want more from me. edit: Also, in defense of Leo, you say he was inflexible with is lineups...but, when we lost half our team to injury, just how flexible do you think we were? I'm not saying Leo was a mastermind, far from it, but I think it is widely accepted that this team over achieved last year. If we had underachieved Leo would be getting absolutely blasted. We didn't though, and now there is no credit for him to take?
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