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Posted by: TriniKing_CE Apr 2 2012, 11:41 PM

I've long been meaning to open a thread similar to this one, where random (yet related Milan) info can be posted in one place without being lost between threads.

I came across this pic, and realized I didn't know where to post this given our previous options.

And so... became the birth of this thread.

By all means if we have a similarly yet forgotten thread of the same nature, please direct me towards it, and close this one off. If not - You're welcome! smile.gif



Players with highest goal ratio during the Berlusconi era:


Posted by: X-Offender Apr 3 2012, 12:09 AM

They've misspelled Sheva's name. angry.gif

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Apr 14 2012, 02:19 AM

If only I was able to understand Italian sad.gif, this clip could have been so much more for me.


Despite that, it's still good:

AC Milan - Final Effort - HD:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pUIbZIX8uY&hd=1

devilsmiley.gif devil.gif devilsmiley.gif


Posted by: X-Offender Apr 14 2012, 02:26 AM

QUOTE (TriniKing_CE @ Apr 14 2012, 03:19 AM) *
If only I was able to understand Italian sad.gif, this clip could have been so much more for me.


Despite that, it's still good:

AC Milan - Final Effort - HD:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pUIbZIX8uY&hd=1

devilsmiley.gif devil.gif devilsmiley.gif


You don't need to know Italian, Trini. wink.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_iKg7nutNY&feature=fvst

It's the same audio, in English. smile.gif

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Apr 14 2012, 03:48 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 13 2012, 09:26 PM) *
You don't need to know Italian, Trini. wink.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_iKg7nutNY&feature=fvst

It's the same audio, in English. smile.gif

Awesome.

Thanks! smile.gif

I knew it ran a bell; but to think I have never sat down yet to watch Any Given Sunday in entirety yet. (...just sad)

Especially while being a Pacino fan, and hearing countless other people talk bout 'the speech'.

Then again, I was never really one to place something in higher regard just because of the mass' opinion. dunnosmiley.gif

Either way, I think this is one I really should have seen by now.

Posted by: Jack Bauer Apr 14 2012, 03:48 PM

You should, a very good movie.

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 19 2012, 10:03 PM

Looking at the rosters of the four CL semi-finalists, we notice that Barça have a roster of 22 players, Real of 23 players, Bayern of 24 and Chelsea of 25. We have a roster of 33 players, with an average wage of €2 million per player. If we reduced our roster to 25 players, we'd be saving about €30 million per season. The key element here is to change/improve the training methods, in order to have as few injuries as possible, which would make it unnecessary to have such a large roster.

http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/milan/?action=read&idnet=bWlsYW5uZXdzLml0LTc4NjQ4

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 19 2012, 10:13 PM

Top 10 most valuable football clubs in the world:

1. Manchester United - $2.235bn (£1.396bn)
2. Real Madrid - $1.877bn (£1.17bn)
3. Barcelona - $1.307bn (£816m)
4. Arsenal - $1.292bn (£807m)
5. Bayern Munich - $1.235bn (£770m)
6. AC Milan - $989m (£615m)
7. Chelsea - $761m (£473m)
8. Liverpool - $619m (£385m)
9. Juventus - $591m (£367m)
10. Schalke 04 - $587m (£365m)

Posted by: acid911 Apr 19 2012, 10:33 PM

Both very valid points, we're valuable for a reason, and frankly, I'd love a trim down in the squad. sleep.gif But of course, the powers that be can do whatever they want. I mean B&G recently said that they invested around 1 billion Euros into Milan. No one had the guts to ask them that not all of it was their (or Berlusconi's) money.

You invest money to earn it, and then invest it back again. Sure football clubs can be a risky business, but still.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Apr 20 2012, 05:44 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 19 2012, 10:13 PM) *
Top 10 most valuable football clubs in the world:

1. Manchester United - $2.235bn (£1.396bn)
2. Real Madrid - $1.877bn (£1.17bn)
3. Barcelona - $1.307bn (£816m)
4. Arsenal - $1.292bn (£807m)
5. Bayern Munich - $1.235bn (£770m)
6. AC Milan - $989m (£615m)
7. Chelsea - $761m (£473m)
8. Liverpool - $619m (£385m)
9. Juventus - $591m (£367m)
10. Schalke 04 - $587m (£365m)

You forgot Villa.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 20 2012, 11:48 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 19 2012, 10:03 PM) *
Looking at the rosters of the four CL semi-finalists, we notice that Barça have a roster of 22 players, Real of 23 players, Bayern of 24 and Chelsea of 25. We have a roster of 33 players, with an average wage of €2 million per player. If we reduced our roster to 25 players, we'd be saving about €30 million per season. The key element here is to change/improve the training methods, in order to have as few injuries as possible, which would make it unnecessary to have such a large roster.

http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/milan/?action=read&idnet=bWlsYW5uZXdzLml0LTc4NjQ4

Just read on FI that all of Nesta, Ambro and Rino are most likely to get n extension. Aside from Nesta it's a completely idiot move. This is the reason why we'll never move forward at this rate, and why we'll require a huge roster, simply because these guys cannot even be considered back ups anymore. Just ridiculous. I mean what's the point of renewing with these 2? Especially Rino, he can't even be considered a player anymore, yet we're about to hand him a 2.5m a year deal.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Apr 20 2012, 03:26 PM

I like Ambro and think he has performed very well a few times this season, but it's really time to move on.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 20 2012, 04:14 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Apr 20 2012, 02:26 PM) *
I like Ambro and think he has performed very well a few times this season, but it's really time to move on.

I agree that he has stepped up this season. But still those moments are very few and far between. Playing good in a maximum of 4 games in an entire season does not mean he should be given an extension.

VB and Nesta should be the only ones to stay the others just have to be let go. No more stalling. We're most likeely going to give up the Scudetto to Juve this season, simply because we're still relying on these guys as back up

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Apr 20 2012, 04:35 PM

The problem here is everyone assumes, letting go of the older players means someone is automatically gonna come in who is as good as these veterans on their best day.

I used to believe it, now I don't. So I'm pretty non-commital on these extensions.

Posted by: William405 Apr 20 2012, 04:49 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Apr 20 2012, 06:35 PM) *
The problem here is everyone assumes, letting go of the older players means someone is automatically gonna come in who is as good as these veterans on their best day.

I used to believe it, now I don't. So I'm pretty non-commital on these extensions.


Do you mean on big games?Such as the CL vs Barca.Well,you are kind of correct,but I really doubt they can do it anymore.Seriously,most of them require a great deal of physical strength that they just can't handle anymore,in addition there wages are not so small.Like others,I would only keep Nesta and Van Bommel.Maybe Ambro,just maybe,but Gattuso and Seedorf can't cut it anymore.

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 20 2012, 04:50 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Apr 20 2012, 05:35 PM) *
The problem here is everyone assumes, letting go of the older players means someone is automatically gonna come in who is as good as these veterans on their best day.

I used to believe it, now I don't. So I'm pretty non-commital on these extensions.


I don't think it's necessary to replace them with players who are as good these guys were on their best day. They're not starting material anymore. Strasser for Ambrosini and Merkel for Seedorf, I'd take that in a heartbeat. And we already have our Gattuso replacements in Nocerino and Muntari. What we desperately need are a quality LB, a DM if van Bommel leaves, an AM, and Tevez. Those, along with the free-agent signings Galliani makes every year, like Montolivo, and we should be fine.

Posted by: X-Offender May 4 2012, 03:02 PM

Milan players trying to speak Chinese. Very funny. biggrin.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUl1SqfopSo&feature=player_embedded

Posted by: TriniKing_CE May 5 2012, 01:54 AM

laugh.gif

Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 5 2012, 06:56 AM

At least no "Asian face" jokes.

Posted by: Zed.D May 5 2012, 08:26 AM

Awesome. Van Bommel speaks very impressive Chinese!

Posted by: TriniKing_CE May 5 2012, 06:45 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 5 2012, 01:56 AM) *
At least no "Asian face" jokes.

laugh.gif Yes at least that...

QUOTE (Zed.D @ May 5 2012, 03:26 AM) *
Awesome. Van Bommel speaks very impressive Chinese!

Yup he made it look effortless compared to the rest.

Posted by: TriniKing_CE May 5 2012, 11:43 PM


Milan taking it to the field.


Posted by: TriniKing_CE May 12 2012, 05:38 PM


Posted by: TriniKing_CE May 13 2012, 09:08 PM

Honor the legends at the San Siro - Nesta, Gatusso, Sedorf, Pippo, Zambrotta and Bommel:
(15 minutes of the game's aftermath & farewell celebrations.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkLTj7mWoxE




Maestr021Channel - GoodBye AC Milan Legends

(Part 1): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfccxyBCVPk&hd=1

(Part 2): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svyhF4hDGOE&hd=1

Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 15 2012, 08:02 PM

Just figured out some stats:

- don't know when was the last time a Milan player scored 28 goals in one league season
- don't know when we last played more then 30 players in one season
- or when was the last time we had 18 different players score

Posted by: X-Offender May 16 2012, 06:40 PM

Wow, I just checked, we have only like three over-30 players at the moment (Abbiati, Yepes, Ambrosini), assuming Seedorf will leave, and that Ibra and Bonera are still 30, so I'm not considering them. When was the last time we had this few? biggrin.gif

Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 16 2012, 06:47 PM

So now if we don't win those darned sky commentators won't say it's coz we are old.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 16 2012, 06:48 PM

No, all shifts to Allegri now. I'm just waiting.

Posted by: X-Offender May 16 2012, 07:00 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ May 16 2012, 07:47 PM) *
So now if we don't win those darned sky commentators won't say it's coz we are old.


Haha, exactly. Unless we bring a bunch of (talentless) overaged players this summer instead, like Natali, Rigoni etc. unsure.gif

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 16 2012, 10:11 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 16 2012, 08:48 PM) *
No, all shifts to Allegri now. I'm just waiting.


I believe we have good elements in the locker room, Thiago Silva has really impressed on the field with his level headed mentality. We also know Ibra has a winning mentality which is positive influence. Abiati and Ambrosini are rich in experience. We are fine I guess, just sad to actually think about Milan without Gattuso, Seedorf, Nesta and Inzaghi ... Maldini's retirement is so much more hurtful now ... The final blow would be Galliani sad.gif

Posted by: TriniKing_CE May 16 2012, 11:40 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ May 16 2012, 05:11 PM) *
The final blow would be Galliani sad.gif

The horror... ohmy.gif

Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 17 2012, 08:51 AM

He is 67 and has a very young wife. smile.gif He'll go another 8 years at least.

Posted by: X-Offender May 17 2012, 01:42 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ May 17 2012, 09:51 AM) *
He is 67 and has a very young wife. smile.gif He'll go another 8 years at least.


Somehow I thought he was 73 or something.

Posted by: X-Offender May 21 2012, 01:31 PM

San Siro's restyling to be completed in 2015.

http://www.milannews.it/?action=read&idnotizia=81005

Damn, I was hoping for 2013 or sooner. sad.gif

Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 21 2012, 01:34 PM

Do we have any schematic diagrams or anything? Just to know what to expect?

Posted by: TriniKing_CE May 24 2012, 02:43 AM

I don't have rights to create new topics in the past players thread.

I was about to do one for Dejan Savićević.

Just came across this clip and I realized we never had a thread for him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature&v=urNMQktz96I

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Jun 6 2012, 02:19 AM

Seire A through the years - A brief history (1987 to present 2012):

http://www.freewebs.com/footballontap/italianfootball.htm

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jun 6 2012, 10:28 AM

Don't exactly get why language and length play a role? Can we somehow download those matches or what?

Posted by: X-Offender Jun 26 2012, 05:53 PM

In four weeks San Siro's pitch will undergo some works in order to increase its quality. The new technology that will be used, which involves inserting into the pitch synthetic fibers of grass imune to ripping, is already in use at Wembley, Donetsk, and various stadiums for Brazil 2014.

http://www.milannews.it/?action=read&idnotizia=84007

Hopefully next time Barça won't have to nag about the pitch conditions. sleep.gif

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 8 2012, 09:24 AM

Barca will always find something to complain about if they don't win.

Posted by: X-Offender Jul 9 2012, 05:25 PM



Oh god...

Posted by: Zed.D Jul 9 2012, 07:09 PM

That's some of you guys in 40 years' time. tongue.gif

Posted by: Jack Bauer Jul 19 2012, 10:10 PM

http://youtu.be/MdcaiIl3nb0

Posted by: X-Offender Jul 20 2012, 02:49 AM

QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Jul 19 2012, 11:10 PM) *
http://youtu.be/MdcaiIl3nb0


And that's how Strasser got injured.

Posted by: CHU-LIP Jul 20 2012, 03:28 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 20 2012, 03:49 AM) *
And that's how Strasser got injured.

Seriously?

Posted by: X-Offender Jul 20 2012, 03:07 PM

QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Jul 20 2012, 04:28 AM) *
Seriously?


No man, I was kidding. biggrin.gif

Posted by: CHU-LIP Jul 20 2012, 03:15 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 20 2012, 04:07 PM) *
No man, I was kidding. biggrin.gif

K, k. biggrin.gif

I have heard weirder stuff with Milan players getting injured, so nothing will surprise me anymore. dry.gif

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 1 2012, 04:57 PM

We'll play Palermo in a friendly on 12 August at Renzo Barbera, 20:45.

http://www.milannews.it/?action=read&idnotizia=87231

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 1 2012, 05:11 PM

Hmh, fishy. Maybe we'll really sign Balzaretti then.

Posted by: Jack Bauer Aug 1 2012, 05:19 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 1 2012, 07:11 PM) *
Hmh, fishy. Maybe we'll really sign Balzaretti then.

http://www.football-italia.net/22532/balzaretti-undergoing-roma-medical

Posted by: William405 Aug 1 2012, 05:59 PM

QUOTE
Roma and Milan are in mourning after the sudden death of Scudetto-winning full-back Aldo Maldera.

The former Italian international had notched up 228 appearances for Milan before going to Roma from 1982-85 and finishing his career with Fiorentina in 1987.

Maldera won the Scudetto at Milan in 1979 and with Roma in 1983, plus two Coppa Italia trophies and the Mitropa Cup.

He died at the age of 58 after a short illness.


R.I.P

Has anyone seen him play?

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 1 2012, 06:48 PM

Good God, he was a Milan legend. Yep, I saw tons of matches he played, not live but on video. Really a good player.

RIP

Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 1 2012, 06:51 PM

RIP.

Posted by: acid911 Aug 2 2012, 07:46 AM

RIP. sad.gif

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 9 2012, 02:59 PM

Apparently Berlusconi has agreed to sell his Villa Certosa to sheikh Khalifa bin Zayed bin Sultan Al Nahayan for a staggering €470 million, money that will be used to cover for the €540 million debt of Mondadori.

http://www.milannews.it/?action=read&idnotizia=90591

Posted by: dst Sep 9 2012, 03:59 PM

And the difference is 70m. Which means he'll use the money we got from the Ibra/Silva sale and he'll still have 5m to spend on 500 EUR10,000 whores! Life's great for Silvio! tongue.gif

Posted by: Jack Bauer Sep 9 2012, 08:55 PM





It looks nice and all but €470 million? blink.gif

Posted by: han2503 Sep 9 2012, 10:55 PM

There is no way that any piece of property could be worth that much.

He should have sold half of the club for that!! Maybe we could see some forward movement in the near future

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Sep 10 2012, 08:50 AM

So we now know what the meeting with the Emirates people was all about. biggrin.gif And here we thought they wanted to invest in Milan!! biggrin.gif

Plus the price is probably all because of location. biggrin.gif

Posted by: acid911 Sep 10 2012, 09:00 AM

That's one biggrin.gif too many, Jack. Don't tell me you are getting a cut from the €470 million or so?!

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Sep 10 2012, 10:07 AM

I wish! smile.gif I mean I should. I defend Berlusca and Galliani enough over here!!

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 10 2012, 10:14 AM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Sep 10 2012, 12:07 PM) *
I defend Berlusca and Galliani enough over here!!


dry.gif

Posted by: KillerMax Sep 10 2012, 10:27 AM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Sep 10 2012, 04:07 AM) *
I wish! smile.gif I mean I should. I defend Berlusca and Galliani enough over here!!


Yep. Enough is a good word.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Sep 10 2012, 11:42 AM

Enough to deserve a 470 million villa..is what I mean.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 10 2012, 01:53 PM

How can property be worth so much?

Is the Villa made out of gold FFS??!

Posted by: milanbuf88 Sep 10 2012, 08:03 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 10 2012, 09:53 AM) *
How can property be worth so much?

Is the Villa made out of gold FFS??!


Berlu had it specially outfitted for maximum ... utility.... when hosting "events."

Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 10 2012, 08:25 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 10 2012, 03:53 PM) *
How can property be worth so much?

Is the Villa made out of gold FFS??!

it's worth as much as they can sell it for

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 12 2012, 02:48 PM

Milan 5th club in the world for Facebook likes (11.5 million).

http://www.milannews.it/?action=read&idnotizia=90864

cool.gif

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 12 2012, 05:19 PM

Not bad. Hope everyone of you guys "liked" Milan smile.gif

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 18 2012, 08:44 AM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Sep 18 2012, 09:17 AM) *
I know Allegri's a weak starter, but the league and the CL are no longer weak competitions where eventually we can catch up and overhaul any competition.

The above is what I meant the other day when I said over-criticism of Allegri.

"Allegri is to blame for all the injuries" - JB dismissed that myth showing previous seasons under Leo and Carlo with lots of injuries. Milan have a problem with injuries, that problem is not Allegri.

"Allegri is a weak starter" - No. Milan are weak starters.

Our past 7 starts (and how we did at the half way point - and defeats)

Carlo 06/07 start - Won 3 of first 7, 4 of first 12, 5 of first 16. (8 of first 19 - 3 defeats)
Carlo 07/08 start - Won 1 of first 6, 2 of first 9, 4 of first 14. (8 of first 19 - 5 defeats)
Carlo 08/09 start - Won 1 of first 3, 3 of first 6. (11 of first 19 - 4 defeats)
Leo 09/10 start - Won 1 of first 3, 2 of first 7, 4 of first 10. (won 12 of first 19 - 4 defeats)
Allegri 10/11 start - Won 1 of first 4, 4 of first 8. (won 12 of first 19 - 4 defeats)
Allegri 11/12 start - Won 1 of first 5. (won 12 of first 19 - 3 defeats)
Allegri 12/13 start - Won 1 of first 4.

Allegri isn't a problem with slow starts, it's a Milan problem. If anything in recent times, Allegri is our best starter, Averages joint most wins with Leo, averages most points and less defeats at the half way stage (and importantly at the end).

/rantonridiculousantiallegrimyths


Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 18 2012, 11:13 AM

What this nice display of stats does not reveal however is that Milan with Allegri and his system plays bad football, worse then Leo's or Carlo's. Leo's was a mess; while Carlo - I remember a few of those bad starts - mostly it were unlucky matches where we dominated but couldn't break our oppositions X men defending.

This however is something different. This is a real crisis. Yesterday Boban said on TV that this is the weakest Milan in 25 years, starting from the coach and ending with the players.

Allegri sure isn't the sole responsible man; but he's not helping either. His system is too rigid, just like Zaccheroni's was. He's forcing Milan and the players to play roles they're not comfortable with and that make them look worse then they really are. He's missing out on many special characteristics a player has and can add to the team. He's having his favorites, while others end up being sidelined without even a chance to prove themselves.

Finally, every single goddamn lineup he starts has to be fixed - either in half time or around 60'. Isn't this an indicator?

Posted by: han2503 Sep 18 2012, 11:41 AM

@ kurt, you're only showing Carlo's weakest seasons with Milan. The previous 3 were a lot better

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Sep 18 2012, 12:17 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 18 2012, 02:13 PM) *
What this nice display of stats does not reveal however is that Milan with Allegri and his system plays bad football, worse then Leo's or Carlo's. Leo's was a mess; while Carlo - I remember a few of those bad starts - mostly it were unlucky matches where we dominated but couldn't break our oppositions X men defending.

This however is something different. This is a real crisis. Yesterday Boban said on TV that this is the weakest Milan in 25 years, starting from the coach and ending with the players.

Allegri sure isn't the sole responsible man; but he's not helping either. His system is too rigid, just like Zaccheroni's was. He's forcing Milan and the players to play roles they're not comfortable with and that make them look worse then they really are. He's missing out on many special characteristics a player has and can add to the team. He's having his favorites, while others end up being sidelined without even a chance to prove themselves.

Finally, every single goddamn lineup he starts has to be fixed - either in half time or around 60'. Isn't this an indicator?


Couldn't agree more ...

Obviously we have a weak squad in comparison. A long season awaits Allegri, and his eggs do not fit the bill when peered 'pound for pound' against the likes of Napoli, Juventus etc ... Let alone the strong teams in the CL.

Many, on here, claim that Milan is better equipped to Samp and Atalanta, however I disagree. I believe Samp and Atalanta have a better team cohesion than our beloved Milan, simply because they have experience and a well drilled team.

We need time, we lost a lot with the departures of the senators alone. Once they departed, the squad lost something significant. Now it all rests on Allegri who does not have the luxury of time and as such he will be axed if the results don't go our way. With that said, I have sympathy for him, as I doubt he can transform our end results.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 18 2012, 12:50 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 18 2012, 12:13 PM) *
Finally, every single goddamn lineup he starts has to be fixed - either in half time or around 60'. Isn't this an indicator?

Yes, but the comment I was responding to was talking about slow stats. My post had nothing to do with quality of football. Leo played good football but didn't get results, Carlo's team played good football in his first few seasons but it got significantly worse every year.

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 18 2012, 12:41 PM) *
@ kurt, you're only showing Carlo's weakest seasons with Milan. The previous 3 were a lot better

I was showing his most recent. To show that it's common for us to start slow.

"But... but... Carlo had a goos start 10 years ago when we had the best squad in football" doesn't really change that.

Fact is our slow starts go on for 4 years before Max even got here, yet he gets blamed. Our injuries go before Allegri, he gets blamed. One thing that didn't happen much recently before Allegri was winning a title which he, of course, gets no credit for. laugh.gif rolleyes.gif

Posted by: han2503 Sep 18 2012, 05:20 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 18 2012, 12:50 PM) *
Yes, but the comment I was responding to was talking about slow stats. My post had nothing to do with quality of football. Leo played good football but didn't get results, Carlo's team played good football in his first few seasons but it got significantly worse every year.


I was showing his most recent. To show that it's common for us to start slow.

"But... but... Carlo had a goos start 10 years ago when we had the best squad in football" doesn't really change that.

Fact is our slow starts go on for 4 years before Max even got here, yet he gets blamed. Our injuries go before Allegri, he gets blamed. One thing that didn't happen much recently before Allegri was winning a title which he, of course, gets no credit for. laugh.gif rolleyes.gif

What I wanted to say by that is that you have to show Carlo's full record. Showing only part of it doesn't say anything. Those 3 seasons were Carlo's worst at Milan and I'm not talking about the start but in general

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 18 2012, 05:23 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 18 2012, 06:20 PM) *
What I wanted to say by that is that you have to show Carlo's full record. Showing only part of it doesn't say anything. Those 3 seasons were Carlo's worst at Milan and I'm not talking about the start but in general

I know what you were saying, but my point was it's something that's been around for a while. We may have won 38/38 the season before what I put, doesn't change the fact we've been bad starters for a long time.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Sep 19 2012, 10:35 AM

I also think until this season, Allegri's had a much better squad than Carlo did in the last 3. Zlatan, Thiago and Nesta by themselves change things.

Posted by: Zed.D Sep 19 2012, 12:56 PM

I think we played some really good football in Allegri's first season. last season wasn't nearly as good and this season... well, you know.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 19 2012, 02:21 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Sep 19 2012, 11:35 AM) *
I also think until this season, Allegri's had a much better squad than Carlo did in the last 3. Zlatan, Thiago and Nesta by themselves change things.

Much better squad? Pretty sure Carlo also had Nesta. He also managed to finish 5th with Cafu, Maldini, Nesta, Pirlo, Kaka', Pato (and Gattuso, Pippo and Seedorf who a number are very fond of).

Think you need to remember Allegri has made a profit on transfers in his time as coach. Which other Milan coach has had to put up with that?

Am I saying he's a great coach? No. But expecting a borderline Europa League team to do anything better than maybe qualify for the Europa League is deluded. Or do you share Galliani's delusion that he should be winning the title?

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Sep 19 2012, 03:03 PM

Not really. Nesta was completely out of things. Much like Pippo was last year. Allegri almost had Nesta on call far more.

In any case, no goals scored in 5 games at home is not good. Winning 5 out of 24 Champions League games is also not good.

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Sep 19 2012, 05:20 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 19 2012, 10:21 AM) *
Much better squad? Pretty sure Carlo also had Nesta. He also managed to finish 5th with Cafu, Maldini, Nesta, Pirlo, Kaka', Pato (and Gattuso, Pippo and Seedorf who a number are very fond of).

Think you need to remember Allegri has made a profit on transfers in his time as coach. Which other Milan coach has had to put up with that?

Am I saying he's a great coach? No. But expecting a borderline Europa League team to do anything better than maybe qualify for the Europa League is deluded. Or do you share Galliani's delusion that he should be winning the title?

+1

It hurts to see Milan in this state, but the results at present are not shocking to me.

It's disappointing, but not completely unexpected. If continuous losses become a habit, even after we recover Monti, Pato & Bino, then things may begin to boil over for me, but as of now, it is what it is! dry.gif

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 19 2012, 10:40 PM

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Sep 19 2012, 02:56 PM) *
I think we played some really good football in Allegri's first season. last season wasn't nearly as good and this season... well, you know.

I disagree. Under Allegri we played dry football based only on the ingenuity of one individual. I acknowledge Allegri's scudetto success, but I'll never acknowledge we played especially good.

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 19 2012, 04:21 PM) *
Much better squad? Pretty sure Carlo also had Nesta. He also managed to finish 5th with Cafu, Maldini, Nesta, Pirlo, Kaka', Pato (and Gattuso, Pippo and Seedorf who a number are very fond of).

That's a very selective memory. Because Pippo was out for a long time, while mentioning Nesta is just ridiculous as he practically couldn't play a normal season.

Maldini and Pirlo sure. Pato? You mean the 17 year old Pato? Come on!

QUOTE
Think you need to remember Allegri has made a profit on transfers in his time as coach. Which other Milan coach has had to put up with that?

Am I saying he's a great coach? No. But expecting a borderline Europa League team to do anything better than maybe qualify for the Europa League is deluded. Or do you share Galliani's delusion that he should be winning the title?

We're not a borderline Europa League team and I'm convinced a good coach would have at least secured us the 3rd spot. But right now Kurt - we're not Europa League - we're playing like a Serie B team, and that has awfully lot to do with Allegri's vision and sense for the game.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 20 2012, 05:59 PM

Wow! Apparently there was a big quarrel between Allegri and Inzaghi today at the Vismara sporting center. Allegri had gone there to watch the training of our youth teams, and thus the meeting with Inzaghi was inevitable. At first the two shook hands, but then they started insulting each-other with heavy words.

http://www.sportmediaset.mediaset.it/calcio/milan/articoli/89763/inzaghi-allegri-incontro-di-fuoco.shtml

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Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 20 2012, 06:08 PM

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Posted by: Jack Bauer Sep 20 2012, 06:15 PM

What a mess we have become recently.. Sometimes I think we need to replace everyone starting with Berlu, ending with the janitor.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 20 2012, 06:21 PM

QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Sep 20 2012, 08:15 PM) *
What a mess we have become recently.. Sometimes I think we need to replace everyone starting with Berlu, ending with the janitor.


Amen. sleep.gif

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 21 2012, 12:51 AM

Pippo? No way should be replace him.

Allegri obviously lost it. Rino, Nesta, Pippo,...all of them know and knew it before.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Sep 21 2012, 09:11 AM

The twitter account on Milan I follow has more details quoting Gazzetta. Apparently the fight with Allegri and Pippo had them abusing each other and Max accusing Pippo of trying to steal his job. rolleyes.gif

I hope this isn't true.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Sep 21 2012, 09:39 AM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Sep 21 2012, 12:11 PM) *
The twitter account on Milan I follow has more details quoting Gazzetta. Apparently the fight with Allegri and Pippo had them abusing each other and Max accusing Pippo of trying to steal his job. rolleyes.gif

I hope this isn't true.


FI is reporting the same. I side with Pippo on this one, Allegri can go **** himself! Regardless of who was right/wrong.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Sep 21 2012, 09:55 AM

Yeah the story is, Pippo told Max he has not clue what he's doing...and Max said Pippo is trying to steal his job. Weird!

But if it comes down to Pippo vs Max, I think we know how this fight will end.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Sep 21 2012, 09:59 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 21 2012, 12:51 AM) *
Amen. sleep.gif


The thing I Hate about all the calls for replacing X and Y (players or management) is no one is got a replacement in mind. We just think anyone but the current person will work. I would think Inter showed us enough why it's a bad idea.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 21 2012, 10:57 AM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Sep 21 2012, 09:39 AM) *
FI is reporting the same. I side with Pippo on this one, Allegri can go **** himself! Regardless of who was right/wrong.

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Forza Pippo!!

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 21 2012, 04:37 PM

QUOTE
Peace between Inzaghi and Allegri



Massimiliano Allegri and Pippo Inzaghi have appeared on Milan Channel to deny stories of a bust up earlier this week.

Reports this morning suggested that the two men had a row and exchanged insults while the tactician visited the club’s youth sector.

“Nothing happened, absolutely nothing,” Allegri noted. “There is no problem with Pippo. In fact, there is great collaboration between the first team and the youth sectors. There was an exchange of opinions without any offence or heavy words.”

The 2006 World Cup winner, new boss of the club’s Allievi side, backed up the claims of the former Cagliari Coach.

“Allegri is right, it lasted for one minute,” he stated. “The youth team players didn’t notice anything because nothing happened.

“We are Milan and we all love Milan, so nothing like that would have occurred. Rather than writing about things that didn’t happen, Milan need a helping hand.”

Allegri is under pressure after a poor start to the season and whispers are suggesting that Inzaghi could be his mid-season replacement.

“I hope to remain at Milan for some time to come,” Allegri added. “But I won’t be here forever and I think that Filippo has all the characteristics needed to have an excellent career as a Coach. He’s started from an excellent base and he can do a good job.

“It’s true that we have only collected three points in the League and we didn’t win in the Champions League, but the team is new and I think we’ve shown some good things in the game. I don’t think the situation is as dark as people are making out.”

Milan are next in action at Udinese this weekend.

“It will be hard on Sunday because they did well in the Europa League, but all games are difficult. We can’t underestimate them,” Allegri concluded.

The televised conference ended with the two men shaking hands.

http://football-italia.net/25278/peace-between-inzaghi-and-allegri

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 22 2012, 02:32 PM

Apparently the act of peace between Allegri and Inzaghi above was nothing but a mere staging. Because Milan's image had seriously been damaged by the incident, Galliani told both coches that he would sack them unless they appeared in front of Milan Channel's cameras and admitted that nothing happened.

http://www.milannews.it/?action=read&idnotizia=91716

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Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 22 2012, 02:34 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 22 2012, 04:32 PM) *
Apparently the act of peace between Allegri and Inzaghi above was nothing but a mere staging. Because Milan's image had seriously been damaged by the incident, Galliani told both coches that he would sack them unless they appeared in front of Milan Channel's cameras and admitted that nothing happened.

http://www.milannews.it/?action=read&idnotizia=91716

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makes sense

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 22 2012, 02:50 PM

QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Sep 22 2012, 04:34 PM) *
makes sense


Aye. When I read about the peace news, and then saw the video too, it seemed very fake and staged. The rumor above only strengthens my belief.

Posted by: acid911 Sep 22 2012, 02:58 PM

Well it looked like a PR stunt the moment I read it. sleep.gif Not just that, it actually confirmed that something happened between the two. Both these individuals have a history, actually, as you all are well aware. It just had to reach a breaking point, and from the looks of it, just did. Oh, how the times change!

Posted by: han2503 Sep 22 2012, 03:54 PM

We've become a farce. Literally!!

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 22 2012, 06:57 PM

A farce? You're overreacting. Our signing campaign maybe a farce, but this? I mean, every reconciliation in history is pretty much staged. Did anyone of you guys actually believe they put a 2 year long rift behind and started from scratch? Seriously...

Allegi is in the center of most disputes in Milan; he has to go, he's becoming more and more a dead weight.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Sep 22 2012, 11:15 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 22 2012, 09:57 PM) *
A farce? You're overreacting. Our signing campaign maybe a farce, but this? I mean, every reconciliation in history is pretty much staged. Did anyone of you guys actually believe they put a 2 year long rift behind and started from scratch? Seriously...

Allegi is in the center of most disputes in Milan; he has to go, he's becoming more and more a dead weight.


I do agree to an extent. And I do see that uphill struggle that Allegri is going through. But I do hope that he can finish the season and come out good, I hope smile.gif

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 22 2012, 11:32 PM

Why do you think it's important for him to finish the season with us?

Posted by: acid911 Sep 22 2012, 11:47 PM

Um, I think R7 actually meant things taking a turn for the better very soon, and Allegri staying with the club to finish the season he started. Hope being the keyword here, a well wish. smile.gif Because while he can get the pink slip after the Udinese game, changing coaches during a season is rarely an ideal situation.

But the point with Allegri is that things seem to have taken a turn for the worse on all fronts for him.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 23 2012, 09:31 AM

At this point, I'd rather take my chances. Judging from the past, Milan's interim coaches and mid-season changes were actually a major success. Just think of the last names, and you'll see.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 23 2012, 10:49 AM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 23 2012, 09:31 AM) *
At this point, I'd rather take my chances. Judging from the past, Milan's interim coaches and mid-season changes were actually a major success. Just think of the last names, and you'll see.

I agree. Allegri clearly has no intention of implementing something new, putting out the best possible 11 out there or trying out a new formation.

A 4-3-3 is not something new, not when you're playing Urby and El Shaa on the "wings". I'm 100% certain that we'll end up forming up with the same shape on the pitch as we have been for the last few games. It will become congested and our only tactic will be to cross the ball in whenever we get near the penalty area

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Sep 23 2012, 11:15 AM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 23 2012, 12:31 PM) *
At this point, I'd rather take my chances. Judging from the past, Milan's interim coaches and mid-season changes were actually a major success. Just think of the last names, and you'll see.


Well, we never know. Maybe the interim coach would turnout to be a game changer for us. Then again, that is the best case scenario.

But it usually isn't that easy, especially in our case. The easiest thing to do is fire Allegri and hire someone else. But I hope we take the harder road, where Allegri takes this challenge and proves us all wrong.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 23 2012, 11:51 AM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 23 2012, 11:49 AM) *
A 4-3-3 is not something new, not when you're playing Urby and El Shaa on the "wings". I'm 100% certain that we'll end up forming up with the same shape on the pitch as we have been for the last few games. It will become congested and our only tactic will be to cross the ball in whenever we get near the penalty area

Here's a crazy idea. How about we actually wait to see the 4-3-3 before deciding it doesn't work. tongue.gif

Posted by: han2503 Sep 23 2012, 12:53 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 23 2012, 11:51 AM) *
Here's a crazy idea. How about we actually wait to see the 4-3-3 before deciding it doesn't work. tongue.gif

It's pretty obvious when he chooses a certain player over the other in regards to how it will turn out.

It's not simply about the formation, a 4-2-3-1 could also easily turn into a mess if he's playing a bunch of runners everwhere who have a tendancy to drift to the center.

And the predicted line-ups all show that he's going to be picking the same players but instead of having Prince tucked in behind the strikers he'll move him wide. And we all know how it will eventually turn out

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 23 2012, 01:22 PM

Prince isn't playing. unsure.gif

Or maybe I'm missing your point.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 26 2012, 03:12 PM

According to Italian newspaper 'Leggo', the Ferrero family is interested in purchasing Milan from Berlusconi. There have been contacts for months now, and the group is currently studying the club's balances and budget. The next important meeting is scheduled for spring 2013. Michelle Ferrero is the richest man in Italy and 23rd in the world, according to Forbes.

http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/milan/?action=read&idnet=bWlsYW5uZXdzLml0LTkyMDM5

Posted by: KillerMax Sep 26 2012, 03:34 PM

I don't know anything about the man and how he would manage this team. I don't know what to think of this news.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 26 2012, 03:42 PM

QUOTE (KillerMax @ Sep 26 2012, 05:34 PM) *
I don't know anything about the man and how he would manage this team. I don't know what to think of this news.


It'd be too good to be true.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 26 2012, 03:48 PM

Could be good IMO. Especially as the new owners would be Italians.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 26 2012, 04:00 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 26 2012, 05:48 PM) *
Could be good IMO. Especially as the new owners would be Italians.


Yep.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 26 2012, 04:14 PM

My only fear is that the Milan we all know ceases to exist - the gallant, traditional and modern, special Milan that legends always point out. One can easily say this is already the past, but still - as long as we have people in the board who know how this mentality was achieved, and who participated in it, we have a chance. Once this is gone we could turn into a good, even great club, but without that special thing.

And to me, this is what counts. Milan's specialty is more important then any United, City or Blaugrana silverware.

Posted by: William405 Sep 26 2012, 04:31 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 26 2012, 07:14 PM) *
My only fear is that the Milan we all know ceases to exist - the gallant, traditional and modern, special Milan that legends always point out. One can easily say this is already the past, but still - as long as we have people in the board who know how this mentality was achieved, and who participated in it, we have a chance. Once this is gone we could turn into a good, even great club, but without that special thing.

And to me, this is what counts. Milan's specialty is more important then any United, City or Blaugrana silverware.


Thing is (and correct me if I'm wrong cause I'm not too knowledgeable about Milan's history) we are using a total different approach than we used before to achieve our greatness.We are getting free players disregarding their tainted past..maybe the old Milan wouldn't accept such players as Cassano.The history books will only tell if this kind of approach will fail or succeed but I'm willing to venture with new owners who will invest if we are losing our identity anyway.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 26 2012, 04:34 PM

I don't think it's a new approach. We always signed players like that. But the thing was - we used to transform then, offering them a totally different atmosphere and mentality which most of the troublemakers used to understand and cherish very much.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Sep 26 2012, 05:45 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 26 2012, 07:14 PM) *
My only fear is that the Milan we all know ceases to exist - the gallant, traditional and modern, special Milan that legends always point out. One can easily say this is already the past, but still - as long as we have people in the board who know how this mentality was achieved, and who participated in it, we have a chance. Once this is gone we could turn into a good, even great club, but without that special thing.

And to me, this is what counts. Milan's specialty is more important then any United, City or Blaugrana silverware.


Agreed!

Further, Berlusconi had invested a lot into Milan. Has contributed significantly in exposing the world to Milan.

We could have ended up the Torino to Juventus, Juventus being inter. That alone has been the crucial element in my support for his management of the club, considering we were almost bankrupt and all that stood between us falling to Serie C or D was Silvio Berlusconi.

That said, many fans don't comprehend the financial difficulty this club had to bear. Let alone neglecting the reason it went into administration in the first place. But that is all fine and dandy, considering we only knew Milan as a CL giant and the home of legands.



Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 26 2012, 06:02 PM

I do agree that I'd rather be a very good club with a soul rather than a great one without a soul. But the "family" Milan seems to be passing on a bit and we're not the same club anymore. I'd rather us return to being a contender, then worry about being classy, rather than the other way around.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Sep 26 2012, 06:19 PM

QUOTE
Crespo calls for Milanese patience

Hernan Crespo has defended the Coaches of both Milan clubs following their problematic starts to the season.

Massimiliano Allegri has seen his Rossoneri lose three of their four League games, while Nerazzurri counterpart Andrea Stramaccioni has witnessed his side defeated on two occasions.

“I don’t think they are to blame,” the former striker, who represented both clubs during his illustrious career, told Sport Mediaset.

“The trouble is that the philosophy of the clubs is always to win and that is why the fans of the great teams don’t have patience.

“Now neither team has a great player who can win games by themselves, but they now have important youngsters who are part of a growing squad.

“Inter and Milan are following a project which they seem to strongly believe in and I can’t see that there is anyone who needs to be slaughtered.”

The two San Siro giants have made substantial changes to their squad over the summer in an effort to cut costs.

“It’s strange because the Milan clubs are now thinking like small teams do,” Crespo continued. “Things are changing.

“Inter and Milan are planning for their futures in a different manner. In the past they targeted ready-made champions, big players.

“Now they need a good eye to spot talent and have the patience to let them mature and grow. This is a transitional phase and we must not condemn anyone.

“Juventus did the same thing and look at them now…”

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 27 2012, 12:41 AM

Wise words.

Posted by: acid911 Sep 27 2012, 02:09 AM

Crespo, crisp as ever. tongue.gif I don't know, every time I think of him, Istanbul 2005 comes to memory. sad.gif Oh my!

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 27 2012, 07:34 AM

Indeed. That goal in the final. Never gonna forget it. And how we just handed him afterwards to Inter. Argh sad.gif

Posted by: acid911 Sep 27 2012, 10:31 AM

Yeah. mellow.gif It's been a while, but there are times when that event feels like just yesterday.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Sep 28 2012, 11:58 AM

Ghirardi believes we are after Donadoni. Regardless of his short-comings as a coach in recent times, he was a Champion as a player with us. He could very well be the one to instill some snse of Milan heritage into this team. But I doubt it, and if anything, Allegri goes out and wins the derby, his position would be safe at least for a little while longer.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 28 2012, 12:19 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Sep 28 2012, 11:58 AM) *
Ghirardi believes we are after Donadoni. Regardless of his short-comings as a coach in recent times, he was a Champion as a player with us. He could very well be the one to instill some snse of Milan heritage into this team. But I doubt it, and if anything, Allegri goes out and wins the derby, his position would be safe at least for a little while longer.

Can't see us winning the derby at this point.

I think if we don't at least win the 2 games before that (Parma and Zenit) then the derby will be the deciding factor for him

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Sep 28 2012, 08:29 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 28 2012, 03:19 PM) *
Can't see us winning the derby at this point.

I think if we don't at least win the 2 games before that (Parma and Zenit) then the derby will be the deciding factor for him


Ever watched Moneyball?

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 28 2012, 08:36 PM

I can. It's not that Inter has a special cohesion. The derby will be pretty much unpredictable.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 28 2012, 08:39 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Sep 28 2012, 10:29 PM) *
Ever watched Moneyball?

I'm pretty sure Galliani has wink.gif

Posted by: han2503 Sep 28 2012, 08:51 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Sep 28 2012, 08:29 PM) *
Ever watched Moneyball?

Downloaded it, but haven't gotten around to watching it yet biggrin.gif

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 28 2012, 08:36 PM) *
I can. It's not that Inter has a special cohesion. The derby will be pretty much unpredictable.

I've seen Inter this season when we weren't playing at the same time, they might not be anything special but I think they're showing some better play then us. At least they can play at a fast tempo at times which is simply beyond us from what I can see so far. Plus they've got players who can turn things around with a bit of magic like Cassano and Sneijder (although Sneijder is a doubt for the game)

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Sep 29 2012, 03:18 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 28 2012, 11:39 PM) *
I'm pretty sure Galliani has wink.gif


Well then, thats that tongue.gif

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 12 2012, 02:28 AM

Front page of La Gazzetta dello Sport of Friday 12 October:



Milan of Arabia
Berlusconi wants to sell 30% of the club's shares for €250 million. In pole position the Sovereign Fund of Qatar with whom there are continuous contacts. The sheiks are interested in the club, the stadium and Mediaset.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 12 2012, 06:36 AM

He values Milan at £800m?

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Oct 12 2012, 09:19 AM

smile.gif Impressive. Why not? But I have a feeling these might be rumours. Let's see.

EDIT: Now I'm almost certain it's BS. The other papers are reporting that it's in fact Russian money coming in. And 30% for 500 MM. Which means the whole thing is complete BS.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Oct 12 2012, 12:09 PM

Not sure if the papers are in their fantasy mode again innocent.gif

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Oct 12 2012, 01:35 PM

More or less. If we were actually winning you would be hearing about how we are gonna be buying big in January or next season. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 12 2012, 01:50 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Oct 12 2012, 08:36 AM) *
He values Milan at £800m?


Well, Forbes valued Milan at €794 million.

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Oct 12 2012, 11:19 AM) *
smile.gif Impressive. Why not? But I have a feeling these might be rumours. Let's see.

EDIT: Now I'm almost certain it's BS. The other papers are reporting that it's in fact Russian money coming in. And 30% for 500 MM. Which means the whole thing is complete BS.


I think the Russian reports are actually bullshit. Gazzetta is the most reliable source when it comes to rumors and stuff. And if they put that in the front page as the main article, then they must know something that we don't.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 12 2012, 02:05 PM

Agree with x-off.

It's a known fact that Berlu wants to take some of the burden off his shoulders. If he can bring in investors than it will happen.

Posted by: Danny Oct 12 2012, 03:08 PM

I'm not sure I buy into the 'youth' thing at Juve when they ended up in Serie B.

If you look at their squad that season it was as good as any top 6 Serie A squad. Buffon, Birindelli, Kovac, Tudor, Zanetti, Bojinov, Nedved, Del Piero, Camoranesi, Trezeguet, Boumsong, Zalayeta, Zebina, Legrottaglie.

The only young players who made the big breakthrough were Marchisio and Chiellini.

Then when they got back to Serie A signed guys like Matri, Lucio, Pirlo, Vucinic blah blah blah.

This is not a side who ended up with a bare squad and rebuilt from the start - they did lose Cannavaro, Zambrotta, and Thuram, along with Vieira, Ibra and Mutu but they were not left with a bunch of 18 year old kids.

So, as great as I feel Crespo was for us, I feel his comment about Juve is wildly incorrect.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Oct 13 2012, 09:26 AM

QUOTE (Danny @ Oct 12 2012, 06:08 PM) *
I'm not sure I buy into the 'youth' thing at Juve when they ended up in Serie B.

If you look at their squad that season it was as good as any top 6 Serie A squad. Buffon, Birindelli, Kovac, Tudor, Zanetti, Bojinov, Nedved, Del Piero, Camoranesi, Trezeguet, Boumsong, Zalayeta, Zebina, Legrottaglie.

The only young players who made the big breakthrough were Marchisio and Chiellini.

Then when they got back to Serie A signed guys like Matri, Lucio, Pirlo, Vucinic blah blah blah.

This is not a side who ended up with a bare squad and rebuilt from the start - they did lose Cannavaro, Zambrotta, and Thuram, along with Vieira, Ibra and Mutu but they were not left with a bunch of 18 year old kids.

So, as great as I feel Crespo was for us, I feel his comment about Juve is wildly incorrect.


No youth Danny, restructure.


@han, is it a known fact? unsure.gif

Posted by: Danny Oct 14 2012, 03:46 PM

That is NOT what Crespo said. He talked about youth and transition - not reconstruction.

Let us be exact here.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Oct 14 2012, 08:46 PM

was talking about this guy

QUOTE
Meanwhile, President Agnelli also commented on the economic revolution at the club that has come with the Juventus Stadium.

“For some time Juventus have been adhering to the Financial Fair Play rules and I hope other European clubs will too.



I think Crespo was referring to the Nedved, Thuram, Trezeget, ADP, etc etc of THAT Juve which dismantled and rebuilt for 5 or so years, then won the Scudetto.

Posted by: Danny Oct 14 2012, 09:00 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Oct 14 2012, 09:46 PM) *
was talking about this guy




I think Crespo was referring to the Nedved, Thuram, Trezeget, ADP, etc etc of THAT Juve which dismantled and rebuilt for 5 or so years, then won the Scudetto.


Then why did you reply to my post which was completely about Crespo?

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Oct 15 2012, 06:59 AM

QUOTE (Danny @ Oct 15 2012, 12:00 AM) *
Then why did you reply to my post which was completely about Crespo?


Didn't read till the last part, where you mentioned Crespo. My bad.

But why are you pissed?

Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 15 2012, 07:00 AM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Oct 15 2012, 07:59 AM) *
But why are you pissed?

Pissed as in angry or drunk? Nevermind, the answer to both is: He's Scottish.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Oct 15 2012, 09:49 AM

So is he better or worse than you when you're drunk?

....and is he better or worse than a random Irish dude when he's drunk?

..and where do the Welsh figure in the angry/drunk scheme of things?

Posted by: Jack Bauer Oct 15 2012, 10:40 AM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Oct 15 2012, 12:49 PM) *
..and where do the Welsh figure in the angry/drunk scheme of things?

http://youtu.be/WthgnIskeqM

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Oct 15 2012, 11:41 AM

Nah I like the Mel Gibbson Scottish; noble, proud and brave. Although not too sure if Danny had a wee more to drink than he could tolerate, when he replied tongue.gif

Posted by: Danny Oct 15 2012, 03:59 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Oct 15 2012, 07:59 AM) *
Didn't read till the last part, where you mentioned Crespo. My bad.

But why are you pissed?


I'm not smile.gif I was just confused as to why you were replying to something I hadn't said.

Posted by: Danny Oct 15 2012, 04:00 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Oct 15 2012, 10:49 AM) *
So is he better or worse than you when you're drunk?

....and is he better or worse than a random Irish dude when he's drunk?

..and where do the Welsh figure in the angry/drunk scheme of things?


The Welsh are too busy sh*gging cattle to notice fermented vegetable juice.

Posted by: Jack Bauer Oct 15 2012, 06:29 PM

http://twitpic.com/b4bcqk/full

Berlu spent €593m on Milan since 1986. Moratti spent twice as much since 1995.

Posted by: Zed.D Oct 15 2012, 06:50 PM

QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Oct 15 2012, 10:59 PM) *
http://twitpic.com/b4bcqk/full

Berlu spent €593m on Milan since 1986. Moratti spent twice as much since 1995.


So much for our hero president and his unmatched, big heart. innocent.gif

I've always felt Moatti cared about Inter more than Berlu did about Milan. this somehow proves it. though, of course, there are many other reasons why I say that.

When was the last time Berlu was seen at a Milan game anyway? rolleyes.gif

Posted by: William405 Oct 15 2012, 07:01 PM

Yeah, Moratti attends every game as far as I know.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 15 2012, 07:31 PM

OMG I can't believe I'm reading this. Now Moratti cares more about Inter then Berlusconi based on the money he spent? Up until very recently, the Calciopoli, for 10 years Moratti has been depicted as a money-throwing clown in charge of a underachieving tragicomic team. Now based on a few recent years (while Berlusconi has been the Prime minister of Italy and is considerably older) we tend to give a general assumption that Berlusconi's love for Milan is BS and that Moratti has a bigger heart?

Posted by: Jack Bauer Oct 15 2012, 07:40 PM

Agree with Fillipo, let's not build theories based on this stat. Moratti was a the laughing stock of Italian football for years and wasted large amounts on flops time after time. Having said that, it's clear that Barlu's involvement in Milan in recent years is nothing like in his earlier years.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 15 2012, 07:50 PM

I don't think the on field flops are really a good criticism on an owner. If he shows up and gives the money people want to sign players, the he's a good owner. It's not his fault if a player is signed for £20m who turns out crap, he just trusts people to use his money wisely.

If he's not spending money and the team is an embarassment, then yes, that's a fair criticism.

I don't think there are many owners in football who support their team any more fierce than Morratti does, in my opinion.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 15 2012, 07:55 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Oct 15 2012, 09:50 PM) *
I don't think the on field flops are really a good criticism on an owner. If he shows up and gives the money people want to sign players, the he's a good owner. It's not his fault if a player is signed for £20m who turns out crap, he just trusts people to use his money wisely.

If he's not spending money and the team is an embarassment, then yes, that's a fair criticism.

I don't think there are many owners in football who support their team any more fierce than Morratti does, in my opinion.

No? Then what about the fact that he's fired numerous coaches on short-term spans, threw away money for questionable signings while missing the potentially good players he had (just think of Seedorf, Pirlo) and finally buying Robbie Keane for a staggering amount of money based on how well he did with Inter on his son's Championship Manager game? To name just a few.

Posted by: nuh Oct 15 2012, 07:57 PM

Just wow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfmTwrXck3M&feature=player_embedded

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 15 2012, 07:58 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 15 2012, 09:31 PM) *
OMG I can't believe I'm reading this. Now Moratti cares more about Inter then Berlusconi based on the money he spent? Up until very recently, the Calciopoli, for 10 years Moratti has been depicted as a money-throwing clown in charge of a underachieving tragicomic team. Now based on a few recent years (while Berlusconi has been the Prime minister of Italy and is considerably older) we tend to give a general assumption that Berlusconi's love for Milan is BS and that Moratti has a bigger heart?


So what if Moratti until recently was depicted as a money-throwing clown? If anything, that shows dedication. You must also realize that Moratti's father was the president of Inter as well for 13 years, so for him it's a very sentimental case. Berlusconi purchased Milan in order to use it as a tool for power, everyone knows that. Sorry man, but this time I just can't agree with you.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 15 2012, 08:00 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 15 2012, 08:55 PM) *
No? Then what about the fact that he's fired numerous coaches on short-term spans, threw away money for questionable signings while missing the potentially good players he had (just think of Seedorf, Pirlo) and finally buying Robbie Keane for a staggering amount of money based on how well he did with Inter on his son's Championship Manager game? To name just a few.

Everyone sells players. Look at Milan with the likes of Vieira, it happens. And as I said, not all owners sign players, they just fund the purchases. I don't know if Moratti himself picks out the players and signs them, I imagine not since Mourinho wouldn't work under that (part of the reason he left Chelsea) and as such I don't think blaming the owner for that is fair.

Sacking managers isn't exactly a sign of not caring? If anything it's over-caring. His reactions to defeats are overblown and he overreacts.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 15 2012, 08:03 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 15 2012, 09:55 PM) *
No? Then what about the fact that he's fired numerous coaches on short-term spans, threw away money for questionable signings while missing the potentially good players he had (just think of Seedorf, Pirlo) and finally buying Robbie Keane for a staggering amount of money based on how well he did with Inter on his son's Championship Manager game? To name just a few.


huh.gif You're losing me here. What's that got to do with how much he loves Inter?

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 15 2012, 08:16 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 15 2012, 09:58 PM) *
So what if Moratti until recently was depicted as a money-throwing clown? If anything, that shows dedication. You must also realize that Moratti's father was the president of Inter as well for 13 years, so for him it's a very sentimental case. Berlusconi purchased Milan in order to use it as a tool for power, everyone knows that. Sorry man, but this time I just can't agree with you.

Actually no.

Since childhood, Berlusconi had been an ardent fan of the famous Milanese football club, AC Milan. His father had taken him regularly to the stadium on Sundays. It belonged, so he said, to 'the sphere of affections', not to that of economic calculation. He hesitated a long time before making the purchase. (From: Ginsborg, Silvio Berlusconi: Television, Power And Patrimony 2005, 53).

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 15 2012, 10:03 PM) *
huh.gif You're losing me here. What's that got to do with how much he loves Inter?

It has to do with his overall ability, which up to Calciopoli was ridiculed in Italy.
So not directly connected with love. But anyway, I think it's pretty much nonsense of talking who "loves" his club more.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Oct 15 2012, 08:25 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 15 2012, 10:55 PM) *
No? Then what about the fact that he's fired numerous coaches on short-term spans, threw away money for questionable signings while missing the potentially good players he had (just think of Seedorf, Pirlo) and finally buying Robbie Keane for a staggering amount of money based on how well he did with Inter on his son's Championship Manager game? To name just a few.


Save it Fillipo, they are just looking for an excuse to go at Silvio. While neglecting common knowledge such as what Silvio's Milan has won in comparison to Moratti's inter.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 15 2012, 08:52 PM

I haven't even mentioned Silvio. Mine were aimed at agreeing with a previous poster that Moratti is a very passionate owner. He lives Inter.

Posted by: Zed.D Oct 16 2012, 12:55 PM

I agree with what kurt and X-Off said. I argue Silvio used the club to boost his image and no one can say I'm wrong on that, but what did Moratti use Inter for? he loves Inter, his father was also the owner, it's in his blood. don't let your fanboyism cloud your vision. success? yeah, Silvio was the smarter one, no arguments there. but genuine love for their club? I give it to Moratti.


EDIT: I even hate that clown FFS. but I can't close my eyes on the truth.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 16 2012, 01:16 PM

Wait, you honestly think it's only love that binds Moratti to Inter and his fathers heritage? Then you don't know a thing about Italian business and politics.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Oct 16 2012, 04:52 PM

Silvio bought this club from bankrupcy, does anyone comprehend this? Imagine someone buying Rangers 'now', and propelling it to CL finals and leagues titles in a matter of years. Who would be insane enough to do that? A bankrupt business.

Then again, unlike Moratti, Berlusconi is a self-made man. He made his empire, he made Milan what it is, and he reached the position of PM all from rags. Not a fanboy of the man, but he had a vision and made it happen at Milan. Something Moratti and his inherited billions could not until 'calciopoli'. But whatever, the person who spends more clearly loves more right? Makes for a straight measuring stick doesn't it wink.gif

Posted by: Zed.D Oct 16 2012, 05:13 PM

You both have drifted away from the original subject and are making this "who's the better/more successful business man? it's SILVIO! he made his own empire, he won titles with Milan blah blah". that wasn't the subject in the first place.

You can say all you want, but when I see the man barely shows up at a few games each season, I can't buy that he loves or cares about Milan. for him 'it's strictly business', if you get what I mean. I'm sure that'll change once he wants to get back into politics again. he'll suddenly become more attentive and buy a few stars for us cool.gif that's true love!

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 16 2012, 05:26 PM

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Oct 16 2012, 07:13 PM) *
You can say all you want, but when I see the man barely shows up at a few games each season, I can't buy that he loves or cares about Milan. for him 'it's strictly business', if you get what I mean. I'm sure that'll change once he wants to get back into politics again. he'll suddenly become more attentive and buy a few stars for us cool.gif that's true love!

I simply cannot understand how a man like you, who obviously knows a great deal about music, film and other arts, can fall into the same old trap and debate about "love" or even worse, who loves something more. Isn't it obvious that it can't be measured? Yes, Berlusconi is busy and does not turn up to matches anymore. But this narrow rationalization isn't enough to me.

And we'll see what will happen when Moratti will turn 10 years older. We'll see...

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 16 2012, 07:57 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Oct 16 2012, 06:52 PM) *
Silvio bought this club from bankrupcy, does anyone comprehend this? Imagine someone buying Rangers 'now', and propelling it to CL finals and leagues titles in a matter of years. Who would be insane enough to do that? A bankrupt business.

Then again, unlike Moratti, Berlusconi is a self-made man. He made his empire, he made Milan what it is, and he reached the position of PM all from rags. Not a fanboy of the man, but he had a vision and made it happen at Milan. Something Moratti and his inherited billions could not until 'calciopoli'. But whatever, the person who spends more clearly loves more right? Makes for a straight measuring stick doesn't it wink.gif


Yes, he did buy this club in a very difficult moment, but you have to question the reason why he did that. Was it because of love, or because he saw it as a perfect opportunity to attain a certain status and power in a particular and delicate moment in his political and business career. Milan was manly a tool for his image, despite him being a supporter of the team in the past.

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Oct 16 2012, 07:13 PM) *
You both have drifted away from the original subject and are making this "who's the better/more successful business man? it's SILVIO! he made his own empire, he won titles with Milan blah blah". that wasn't the subject in the first place.

You can say all you want, but when I see the man barely shows up at a few games each season, I can't buy that he loves or cares about Milan. for him 'it's strictly business', if you get what I mean. I'm sure that'll change once he wants to get back into politics again. he'll suddenly become more attentive and buy a few stars for us cool.gif that's true love!


Spot on!

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 16 2012, 07:26 PM) *
I simply cannot understand how a man like you, who obviously knows a great deal about music, film and other arts, can fall into the same old trap and debate about "love" or even worse, who loves something more. Isn't it obvious that it can't be measured? Yes, Berlusconi is busy and does not turn up to matches anymore. But this narrow rationalization isn't enough to me.

And we'll see what will happen when Moratti will turn 10 years older. We'll see...


You can't measure love, but you can compare two situations based on past information, facts and other stuff related to said situations. In which case, I can easily deduce that Moratti is more caring, passionate and attached to Inter than Berlusconi has ever been for Milan.

Posted by: KillerMax Oct 17 2012, 01:31 AM

I disagree. I can't explain Berlusconi's recent inattentiveness, only he can. And to a certain degree he has. I'm not asking him to be perfect nor do I expect something so immature. But I'm grateful for all the glorious years and look forward to what's to come as we are in a transition point.

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 7 2012, 05:42 PM

Mediaset reports that Berlusconi met with the top brass yesterday to discuss about Milan's future. The general feeling is that if the Arabs, fronted by sheikh Mansour Bin Zayed Al Nahyan, are interested in purchasing shares of the club, the board will not refute. Also, Guardiola's brother-agent was in Milan yesterday and met with FIFA agent Giuseppe Riso, who has close ties to Galliani. Guardiola will accept our offer only if we secure him important investments in the team and a yearly wage of €7 million. Obviously, this cannot happen with our current resources. Thus, everything is tied to the Arab's interest.

http://www.sportmediaset.mediaset.it/calcio/milan/articoli/92573/milan-guardiola-con-lo-sceicco.shtml

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 7 2012, 06:56 PM

Deal with the Devil. Well, at least we have our own as well..

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Nov 21 2012, 11:35 AM

..on another note, there is a tidbit on twitter saying Berlusconi told a 'close friend' that Milan's next coach will be Montella.

Deja Vu all over again.

Zaccheroni won a league title, subsequently under-performed. Was fired, and a caretaker took his place. Then we got the then Viola coach (Fatih Terim) and their talisman (Rui Costa). Fatih created a new style and introduced a new formation (4-3-1-2) but the results weren't forthcoming. Then came in Carlo who basically built on the good work and got some more support.

If I replace Zach with Allegri, and Fatih with Montella and Rui Costa with Jovetic; I just need to replace Carlo with some other old Milan legend. Take your pick. biggrin.gif MvB, Pippo, Rijkaard etc.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 21 2012, 06:59 PM

Hmh, we knew this was coming all along. But hopefully the second part plays as fortunate as it did in the past.

Posted by: KillerMax Nov 25 2012, 04:08 AM

Anyone else happy about the recent more involved and hands on approach from Silvio? It's starting to feel just a little better hearing him speak about his plans. Finally a bit of transparency.

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 25 2012, 05:19 AM

QUOTE (KillerMax @ Nov 25 2012, 06:08 AM) *
Anyone else happy about the recent more involved and hands on approach from Silvio? It's starting to feel just a little better hearing him speak about his plans. Finally a bit of transparency.


+1

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 25 2012, 01:04 PM

We'll see. If he shows up at the derby,...it could mean something really.

Posted by: CHU-LIP Nov 25 2012, 01:54 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 25 2012, 03:04 PM) *
We'll see. If he shows up at the derby,...it could mean something really.

That he is staying, leaving or caring?

Posted by: acid911 Nov 25 2012, 01:55 PM

QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Nov 25 2012, 06:54 PM) *
That he is staying, leaving or caring?

Or maybe all three. sleep.gif

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 25 2012, 02:27 PM

Caring.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Nov 25 2012, 03:50 PM

Marco van Basten is going to be there. I think there is a chance that Berlusca will show up too.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 25 2012, 03:52 PM

Is this a trick to show Allegri his days are numbered?

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Nov 25 2012, 04:46 PM

I think he knows. Trouble as his history suggests is that if his heart is not in it he just gives up and does nothing.

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Nov 28 2012, 02:53 AM

360 San Siro Image devil.gif

http://fancam.com/soccer/serieatim/20121125/

Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 28 2012, 07:53 AM

Lots of people tagged in black and white shirts on there. dry.gif

Posted by: Kazdoodle Nov 28 2012, 07:55 AM

Hey guy's anyone got a good documentary on Ac milan ohmy.gif?

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 28 2012, 12:12 PM

QUOTE (TriniKing_CE @ Nov 28 2012, 04:53 AM) *
360 San Siro Image devil.gif

http://fancam.com/soccer/serieatim/20121125/

Nice smile.gif

Posted by: Jack Bauer Dec 16 2012, 07:04 PM

Milan turn 113 years old today cool.gif



http://youtu.be/ATR1WpalnUo

http://www.thehardtackle.com/2012/ac-milan-%E2%80%93-113-glorious-years/

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Dec 16 2012, 11:12 PM

Nice smile.gif


Posted by: X-Offender Dec 19 2012, 06:58 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIKZg3IOvLk

laugh.gif

Posted by: X-Offender Dec 19 2012, 07:02 PM

http://youtu.be/ZJ5OLiWV4EE


Posted by: kurtsimonw Dec 19 2012, 07:10 PM

Jesus f'ing Christ. What the ****.

Posted by: han2503 Dec 19 2012, 11:52 PM

Italians and the english language...

Talk about butchering something to death!

Posted by: Bluesummers Dec 20 2012, 12:07 AM

acerbi bahaha

Posted by: Zed.D Dec 20 2012, 08:39 AM

I don't get it, what's wrong with that Constant interview?

Posted by: han2503 Dec 20 2012, 11:23 AM

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Dec 20 2012, 08:39 AM) *
I don't get it, what's wrong with that Constant interview?

Constant: Constant improvement

Very witty those people at Milanello

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Dec 20 2012, 12:57 PM

Boateng totally turned it into a rap song didn't he?! biggrin.gif

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Dec 30 2012, 06:06 PM



Gds : Ses scored 14/18 games .. which is 3rd best in Milan History.


Posted by: TriniKing_CE Dec 30 2012, 06:50 PM



SES also has best U-21 Record in Serie A so far


Posted by: Jack Bauer Jan 24 2013, 05:04 PM

http://www.football-italia.net/29870/milan-lead-italy-money-league

Posted by: Jack Bauer Jan 29 2013, 06:32 PM


Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jan 29 2013, 07:29 PM

Hmh, nice comparation!

Posted by: X-Offender Jan 29 2013, 08:03 PM

Bierhoff wub.gif

Posted by: Jack Bauer Jan 31 2013, 11:38 PM



Balo at 22 is the veteran of the bunch.

Posted by: dst Feb 1 2013, 12:41 AM

Good God!!

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 1 2013, 12:42 AM

QUOTE (dst @ Feb 1 2013, 02:41 AM) *
Good God!!


The hair? biggrin.gif

Posted by: dst Feb 1 2013, 12:48 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 31 2013, 11:42 PM) *
The hair? biggrin.gif

Epic fail!

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 1 2013, 12:57 AM

Sharaawy has the worst.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Feb 1 2013, 12:59 AM

and that's saying a lot.

Posted by: KillerMax Feb 1 2013, 01:05 AM

They get more girls than this whole forum combined... Who cares what some dudes on a an internet forum think.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Feb 1 2013, 01:18 AM

QUOTE (KillerMax @ Feb 1 2013, 02:05 AM) *
They get more girls than this whole forum combined... Who cares what some dudes on a an internet forum think.

and they'd get more if they didn't have stupid hair.

Posted by: KillerMax Feb 1 2013, 01:21 AM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jan 31 2013, 07:18 PM) *
and they'd get more if they didn't have stupid hair.


Prove it with your stats.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Feb 1 2013, 01:29 AM

QUOTE (KillerMax @ Feb 1 2013, 02:21 AM) *
Prove it with your stats.

biggrin.gif

Posted by: dst Feb 1 2013, 01:54 AM

biggrin.gif

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Feb 1 2013, 02:35 AM

laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 1 2013, 05:01 AM

laugh.gif

Posted by: han2503 Feb 1 2013, 03:31 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 1 2013, 12:57 AM) *
Sharaawy has the worst.

Meh, I've grown to admire it. biggrin.gif

I personally can't stand the type of mohawks Niang has and sometimes Balo also sports. Bleh! It looks like a caterpillar is creeping up the center of their heads

QUOTE (KillerMax @ Feb 1 2013, 01:21 AM) *
Prove it with your stats.

laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: KillerMax Feb 1 2013, 03:59 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 1 2013, 09:31 AM) *
laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif


OK don't laugh too hard at that joke. I still love Kurt.

Posted by: Jack Bauer Feb 4 2013, 11:30 PM


Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 5 2013, 12:25 AM

Interesting. Milan is more "radical" it seems.

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Feb 5 2013, 04:41 AM

Mmm...

Gotta love them stats! happy.gif

Posted by: acid911 Feb 5 2013, 05:33 AM


Posted by: TriniKing_CE Feb 5 2013, 11:39 AM

Ohh soo soft...

Soo juicy!!


laugh.gif

Posted by: acid911 Feb 5 2013, 12:11 PM

Awesome! happy.gif I love stats to bits too, as long as they are not overly overwhelming.

Posted by: Jack Bauer Feb 5 2013, 05:56 PM

http://www.football-italia.net/30397/milan-linked-alleged-doping-case

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 5 2013, 06:18 PM

QUOTE
'Milan' could well refer to the city or the first name of several players around the world.


I'm pretty sure it must be AC Milan in our case, and I don't believe we'd be involved in such a thing.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Feb 5 2013, 06:25 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 5 2013, 07:18 PM) *
I'm pretty sure it must be AC Milan in our case, and I don't believe we'd be involved in such a thing.

I'd like to think not.

Posted by: han2503 Feb 5 2013, 06:28 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Feb 5 2013, 06:25 PM) *
I'd like to think not.

Same, but the past has shown us otherwise...

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 5 2013, 09:31 PM

Past? Distant past you mean.

Posted by: han2503 Feb 5 2013, 10:18 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 5 2013, 09:31 PM) *
Past? Distant past you mean.

Yep, but with the guys running this club not being known for their always clean hands, I wouldn't put it past them

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 5 2013, 10:51 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 6 2013, 12:18 AM) *
Yep, but with the guys running this club not being known for their always clean hands, I wouldn't put it past them

Naah, I don't believe it.

Posted by: Jack Bauer Feb 6 2013, 12:00 AM

False alarm, it's about Milan's cycling team.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 6 2013, 12:38 AM

cool.gif

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Feb 6 2013, 01:04 AM

AC Milan League Position Alalysis - Comparison between this current season & the previous two


Posted by: Rossoneri7 Feb 6 2013, 09:25 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp2E_lw4vFc

Posted by: Jack Bauer Feb 6 2013, 09:27 PM

laugh.gif laugh.gif It looks so unnatural for him.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 6 2013, 11:07 PM

laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: KillerMax Feb 7 2013, 06:44 AM

He has he rhythm of a stick.. laugh.gif

Posted by: han2503 Feb 7 2013, 11:26 AM

Well at least he cut off that ridiculous samurai hair

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 7 2013, 06:07 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 7 2013, 01:26 PM) *
Well at least he cut off that ridiculous samurai hair


+1000

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 13 2013, 09:44 PM

Milan used today for the first time in training Adidas' miCoach Elite, a system that collects data and stuff. Abate resulted the fastest and most hard-wearing player, and together with Nocerino one of the players that run the most during the course of a game. Constant was one of the fastest, Traoré the slowest. laugh.gif

Posted by: acid911 Feb 13 2013, 11:02 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 14 2013, 02:44 AM) *
Traoré the slowest.

Is there anything this guy can do right? sleep.gif

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 13 2013, 11:04 PM

QUOTE (acid911 @ Feb 14 2013, 01:02 AM) *
Is there anything this guy can do right? sleep.gif


Yes, he can run slowly. biggrin.gif

Posted by: acid911 Feb 13 2013, 11:27 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 14 2013, 04:04 AM) *
Yes, he can run slowly.

Nice! thumbup.gif

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Feb 14 2013, 09:24 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 13 2013, 05:44 PM) *
Milan used today for the first time in training Adidas' miCoach Elite, a system that collects data and stuff. Abate resulted the fastest and most hard-wearing player, and together with Nocerino one of the players that run the most during the course of a game. Constant was one of the fastest, Traoré the slowest. laugh.gif

Hey man, just curious to find out about where you found out all the particulars of the results & analysis.

And, to those who aren't entirely familiar with what X-Off is referring to, this might shed a little more light...


Posted by: X-Offender Feb 14 2013, 10:58 PM

^ Someone posted it on Facebook.

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Feb 15 2013, 12:01 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 14 2013, 06:58 PM) *
^ Someone posted it on Facebook.

Ahh okay, cool. I got the image from there yesterday as well.

Posted by: Jack Bauer Feb 17 2013, 05:35 PM


Posted by: X-Offender Feb 19 2013, 09:33 PM

I found this very cute. smile.gif


Posted by: TriniKing_CE Feb 20 2013, 01:02 AM

Graph: This is 4th youngest Milan squad to play in the Champions League.


Posted by: X-Offender Feb 20 2013, 01:42 AM

From 02/03 till 10/11, it kept raising and stayed so for a few more seasons. 05/06 was when we should have started our rejuvenation programme.

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Feb 20 2013, 02:06 AM

Agreed, and the 07 CL victory really made things bad for us in that respect...

Posted by: han2503 Feb 20 2013, 09:21 AM

QUOTE (TriniKing_CE @ Feb 20 2013, 01:02 AM) *
Graph: This is 4th youngest Milan squad to play in the Champions League.


I think this graph just illustrates the complete mismanagement this club has suffered through in these last 7 years or so

Posted by: acid911 Feb 20 2013, 09:29 AM

Ha, agreed. laugh.gif Think of the dark gray shade as the crux of stupid management decisions. sad.gif Wild years!

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Feb 20 2013, 12:33 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 20 2013, 05:21 AM) *
I think this graph just illustrates the complete mismanagement this club has suffered through in these last 7 years or so

Yuppp... Pretty much!

EDIT: It's good in a way that we've gotten back to a more acceptable average age though. Just a shame that it took so long to return to such, and to top it off the drastic & abrupt manner in which it was done.

Anyway here's to moving forward.

drunksmilef.gif


Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 20 2013, 12:56 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 20 2013, 11:21 AM) *
I think this graph just illustrates the complete mismanagement this club has suffered through in these last 7 years or so

Mismanagement is a bit of an overstatement. But yes, our rejuvenation failed badly in this period.

Posted by: han2503 Feb 20 2013, 02:12 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 20 2013, 12:56 PM) *
Mismanagement is a bit of an overstatement. But yes, our rejuvenation failed badly in this period.

I don't see it as an overstatement at all.

The management were the ones who allowed this team to deteriorate so much both on the field and financially when they kept giving 5 year contracts of over 4m to 30+ year olds.

And the manner in which they suddenly turned to youth is even more laughable then those contracts

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 20 2013, 03:10 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 20 2013, 02:56 PM) *
Mismanagement is a bit of an overstatement. But yes, our rejuvenation failed badly in this period.


Mismanagement is the perfect word to describe it.

Posted by: KillerMax Feb 27 2013, 10:45 AM

Going to www.acmilan.com I get a warning about malicious software from google. WTH?

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Feb 27 2013, 11:20 AM

QUOTE (KillerMax @ Feb 27 2013, 01:45 PM) *
Going to www.acmilan.com I get a warning about malicious software from google. WTH?


I got the same ...

Posted by: dst Feb 27 2013, 11:38 AM

f***ing Inter fans Google

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 1 2013, 05:27 PM

Milan calendar for March:


Posted by: Jack Bauer Mar 3 2013, 07:47 PM

http://youtu.be/SMXlCi1kDTo biggrin.gif king.gif

Posted by: KillerMax Mar 4 2013, 03:15 AM

Looks like a fly fish out of water.

Posted by: Jack Bauer Mar 4 2013, 06:12 PM

http://forzaitalianfootball.com/2013/03/ac-milans-model-for-the-future/

Posted by: han2503 Mar 4 2013, 09:00 PM

QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Mar 4 2013, 06:12 PM) *
http://forzaitalianfootball.com/2013/03/ac-milans-model-for-the-future/

R7 MUST have wrote that biggrin.gif

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 4 2013, 10:16 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Mar 4 2013, 11:00 PM) *
R7 MUST have wrote that biggrin.gif


I was thinking the same whilst I was reading it. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Jack Bauer Mar 9 2013, 07:07 PM


Posted by: X-Offender Mar 9 2013, 07:30 PM

C'mon Mastour, get older quickly!

Posted by: KillerMax Mar 9 2013, 07:45 PM

What position does he play?

Posted by: Jack Bauer Mar 9 2013, 07:56 PM

Attacking midfielder.

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 9 2013, 09:17 PM

QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Mar 9 2013, 09:56 PM) *
Attacking midfielder.


More of an attacking winger.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 9 2013, 09:45 PM

QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Mar 9 2013, 07:07 PM) *

Switch Niang with Balo and it would be a really great pic biggrin.gif

QUOTE (KillerMax @ Mar 9 2013, 07:45 PM) *
What position does he play?

I think he's an attcking mid/winger sort of player, at least that's what I thought from the various clips I saw of him

Posted by: Jack Bauer Mar 9 2013, 09:50 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 10 2013, 12:17 AM) *
More of an attacking winger.

Don't think so, I read that he played trequartista in most of the games.

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 9 2013, 10:19 PM

QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Mar 9 2013, 11:50 PM) *
Don't think so, I read that he played trequartista in most of the games.


Shut up!

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Posted by: Jack Bauer Mar 9 2013, 11:28 PM


Posted by: dst Mar 10 2013, 12:22 AM

hahaha how can Boateng walk around like that, are there no mirrors in Italy??

Boateng to the hairdresser: "This:"

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Mar 10 2013, 12:29 AM

laugh.gif Lolol

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 10 2013, 01:14 AM

Props to De Sciglio for being the only one in that photo with normal hair.

Posted by: acid911 Mar 10 2013, 07:15 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 10 2013, 06:14 AM) *
Props to De Sciglio for being the only one in that photo with normal hair.

Mad props. happy.gif One of the reasons he is my favorite player among the bunch. By far.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 10 2013, 10:14 AM

QUOTE (dst @ Mar 10 2013, 12:22 AM) *
hahaha how can Boateng walk around like that, are there no mirrors in Italy??

Boateng to the hairdresser: "This:"

I wonder what picture SES has to show the hairdresser to get that mess...

Posted by: dst Mar 10 2013, 02:46 PM


Posted by: han2503 Mar 10 2013, 03:46 PM

QUOTE (dst @ Mar 10 2013, 02:46 PM) *

laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: Jack Bauer Mar 11 2013, 10:24 PM


Posted by: Jack Bauer Mar 22 2013, 05:16 PM

We beat Gattuso's Sion 6-0 (all goals were scored in the second half) in a friendly game today. Traoré, Bojan (twice), Robinho and De Feo (primavera kid) scored for us + an own goal.

Starting line-up was: Amelia, Antonini, Mexes, Bonera, Constant, Flamini, Traoré, Nocerino, Niang, Bojan, Robinho

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 22 2013, 05:59 PM

http://www.sportmediaset.mediaset.it/calcio/milan/articoli/101300/milan-sion-6-0-gattuso-sommerso-da-gol-e-abbracci.shtml

Posted by: milanbuf88 Mar 22 2013, 09:19 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 22 2013, 01:59 PM) *
http://www.sportmediaset.mediaset.it/calcio/milan/articoli/101300/milan-sion-6-0-gattuso-sommerso-da-gol-e-abbracci.shtml


These highlights show how dangerous Bojan can be when he has space. Unfortunately no one in Italy is dumb enough to give him that space and he can't handle physical defending.

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 22 2013, 09:28 PM

QUOTE (milanbuf88 @ Mar 22 2013, 11:19 PM) *
These highlights show how dangerous Bojan can be when he has space. Unfortunately no one in Italy is dumb enough to give him that space and he can't handle physical defending.


Yeah, he's played so much this season, it's become quite evident.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 22 2013, 10:37 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 22 2013, 05:59 PM) *
http://www.sportmediaset.mediaset.it/calcio/milan/articoli/101300/milan-sion-6-0-gattuso-sommerso-da-gol-e-abbracci.shtml

Can't see them for some reason, the vid is blacked out. Hopefully someone uploads them on youtube

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 22 2013, 10:39 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Mar 23 2013, 12:37 AM) *
Can't see them for some reason, the vid is blacked out. Hopefully someone uploads them on youtube


http://youtu.be/v6MIm9VleF8

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Posted by: han2503 Mar 23 2013, 09:27 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 22 2013, 10:39 PM) *
http://youtu.be/v6MIm9VleF8

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Thanks king.gif

How Bojan can be left out so blatantly for the likes of Niang I'll never understand, loan or not, it's absolutely criminal.

He's surely our most technically refined player along with Monto

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Mar 23 2013, 01:02 PM

QUOTE (milanbuf88 @ Mar 23 2013, 12:19 AM) *
These highlights show how dangerous Bojan can be when he has space. Unfortunately no one in Italy is dumb enough to give him that space and he can't handle physical defending.


Exactly, in a friendly, which was more of a salute to Ringho than an actual competitive friendly.

In all honesty, Bojan is a wonderful player, who has quality. But he did not get a starting spot with Barc, Roma nor Milan .. I wonder if Allegri has anything to do with it innocent.gif

Posted by: han2503 Mar 23 2013, 03:16 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Mar 23 2013, 01:02 PM) *
Exactly, in a friendly, which was more of a salute to Ringho than an actual competitive friendly.

In all honesty, Bojan is a wonderful player, who has quality. But he did not get a starting spot with Barc, Roma nor Milan .. I wonder if Allegri has anything to do with it innocent.gif

With Barca the reason has always been obvious, when you have Eto'o or Villa ahead of you then there's no need to question it

With Milan and Roma it's mostly because of it being a loan essentially and because they wouldn't like to raise his price, but when you have a lamp-post like Niang as your only option loan or not, you HAVE to play Bojan. I think he's done very decently for a player of his stature who is used to the silly frilly La Liga in how he transitioned to Serie A. He's been impressive for us when given the proper opportunities

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 23 2013, 05:08 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Mar 23 2013, 05:16 PM) *
With Barca the reason has always been obvious, when you have Eto'o or Villa ahead of you then there's no need to question it

With Milan and Roma it's mostly because of it being a loan essentially and because they wouldn't like to raise his price, but when you have a lamp-post like Niang as your only option loan or not, you HAVE to play Bojan. I think he's done very decently for a player of his stature who is used to the silly frilly La Liga in how he transitioned to Serie A. He's been impressive for us when given the proper opportunities


Yeah, but people don't want to admit that because then Allegri would be wrong, and blaming Allegri on these forums is a heresy. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: kurtsimonw Mar 23 2013, 05:25 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Mar 23 2013, 04:16 PM) *
With Barca the reason has always been obvious, when you have Eto'o or Villa ahead of you then there's no need to question it

It was actually Gudjohnsen, Henry and then Pedro that kept it out. It says a lot that as soon as Pedro stepped into the squad, he played more than Bojan and the latter was sold right away. Then he lasted a whole season at Roma.

His career best in starting games in all competitions is 17. laugh.gif

But of course, Niang is barely 18 and comes on as a sub and people complain when he does bad. Bojan comes on, does F all and what's his excuse? Oh well, how can you expect him to play well when he's used wrong? When every single manager that he's had has barely started him, you have to start wondering maybe it's the player? Or is it just coincidence that every manager is wrong? The loan comment is ridiculous. A manager will not refuse to play someone without good reason if he can benefit the team, why make your job harder? A club also wouldn't loan someone if they're not going to play them for that reason. He's loaned in as a back up, that's what he is.

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 23 2013, 09:47 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Mar 23 2013, 07:25 PM) *
But of course, Niang is barely 18 and comes on as a sub and people complain when he does bad. Bojan comes on, does F all and what's his excuse?


First of all, Niang always plays bad. Secondly, I don't think people complain when he comes in as a sub, but rather when he starts games. Bojan hasn't started a game since 13 January against Sampdoria, and before that it was against Zenit on 4 December (useless game). Furthermore, in the last 11 games he's played a total of only 90 minutes! How exactly can you asses someone's quality with such little timing?

To think someone as young and poor as Niang gets to start more than one of our most technically gifted players is absolutely outrageous.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Mar 24 2013, 02:45 AM

I don't even really notice Bojan to be honest. Last thing I actually remember from him was coming on against udinese and being horrific.

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 24 2013, 04:00 AM

Of course you don't notice him, he doesn't play!

Posted by: milanbuf88 Mar 24 2013, 10:19 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 24 2013, 12:00 AM) *
Of course you don't notice him, he doesn't play!


Do you actually like Bojan or do you just like to nitpick? I agree he's a nice player but I just don't think he's cut out for Serie A. I'd love for him to prove me wrong though.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 24 2013, 04:24 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Mar 24 2013, 02:45 AM) *
I don't even really notice Bojan to be honest. Last thing I actually remember from him was coming on against udinese and being horrific.

What do you expect when you're getting less then 5 minutes on most occasions! You barely even have time to touch the ball at that stage.

Whatever you say about Bojan, he's still a far better option, even backup, then Niang.

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