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post Jul 27 2014, 11:30 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jul 27 2014, 11:27 PM) *
When all this FFP kicked up, there was meant to be a rule about the amount of money you could make via sponsors as well, to stop a rich owner just using another company of his to sponsor his club for silly money. "Fair value" it was called, I believe. But Barca went way and beyond that and everyone turned a blind eye to it, now United have done the same and it's being ignored again.

FFP means absolutely nothing to a rich club. It's all about creating a glass ceiling to keep certain clubs at the top.

Yep, and it's not like Silvio can't do that either had he really wanted to find a loop hole into FFP as well. He's got various companies that could "sponsor" Milan.

But as I said, why would he do that when it's obvious he doesn't want to spend money and FFP provides a very convenient excuse to do so.
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post Jul 27 2014, 11:43 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 28 2014, 02:30 AM) *
Yep, and it's not like Silvio can't do that either had he really wanted to find a loop hole into FFP as well. He's got various companies that could "sponsor" Milan.

But as I said, why would he do that when it's obvious he doesn't want to spend money and FFP provides a very convenient excuse to do so.


Exactly (IMG:style_emoticons/default/innocent.gif) Present me with facts you did, Silvio unwilling to fund the FFP loopholes (IMG:style_emoticons/default/king.gif)

Who ever heard of the three month monitoring period and all that crap FFP is about (IMG:style_emoticons/default/96.gif)

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post Jul 28 2014, 12:00 AM
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Yeah silvio will sell forsure. It would be absurd to keep milan at this point.

I just hope its sooner than later. Realistically we'll finish mid-table again.


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The FFP thing won't be taken seriously until a serious action is taken. Fines don't mean anything unless they're into the 100+ millions

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post Jul 28 2014, 12:48 AM
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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jul 27 2014, 10:43 PM) *
Exactly (IMG:style_emoticons/default/innocent.gif) Present me with facts you did, Silvio unwilling to fund the FFP loopholes (IMG:style_emoticons/default/king.gif)

Who ever heard of the three month monitoring period and all that crap FFP is about (IMG:style_emoticons/default/96.gif)


You've trolled this entire thread! In fact you've been trolling for over a year. First we're building a youth project now FFP is sincere and holding us back!

You change your trolls dependent on circumstance and demand 'facts' as a way of covering your own complete lack of argument.
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post Jul 28 2014, 12:55 AM
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It sounds so stupid to say it but we need a rich oil company or Abramovich type.

PSG: Qatar Sports - worth 115B
Man City: Sheik Mansoor - personal worth about 40B - family value a trillion.
Chelsea: Abramovich - 14.2B
Zenit: Gazprom - 350B
Real Madrid - owned by the state and funded with different rules.
Barca - same as Real
Man Utd - Glazers - 1.2 trillion.

All the above keep buying, keep investing.

Milan - Berlusconi - 8B but won't spend any of it on Milan any more. He has the cash but not the ambition unlike the above. Not now.

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post Jul 28 2014, 01:02 AM
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He's won 5 champions leagues. I wouldn't have the ambition either but i'd have the intelligence to not ruin my name after doing all that.


He will sell tho, i'm sure of it. After these games, the season ticket holders will want a refund. Empty stadiums and another 8th place finish will force his hand forsure.


and on the FFP front, R7 isn't wrong. Everything he's stated is valid and can be found in the documentation. However that isn't the problem, its how the policy is enforced or the lack of enforcement for a better word.


The truth of the matter is that UEFA would never ban a club like man city from champions league, lets take that off teh table as that would hurt their own revenues. What they can do tho is make severe fines so that the rules are taken seriously. Slap city with a 100m euro fine and I can gurantee they'll follow the rules.

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QUOTE (Danny @ Jul 28 2014, 03:48 AM) *
You've trolled this entire thread! In fact you've been trolling for over a year. First we're building a youth project now FFP is sincere and holding us back!

You change your trolls dependent on circumstance and demand 'facts' as a way of covering your own complete lack of argument.


Milan's adidas deal is 20M per year for ten years.

United's adidas deal is 100M per year for ten years.

There is a GULF of a difference between our market value and that of the top clubs around.

And yeah I demand facts, I have yet to be presented with the same.
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post Jul 28 2014, 08:55 AM
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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jul 28 2014, 10:02 AM) *
Milan's adidas deal is 20M per year for ten years.

United's adidas deal is 100M per year for ten years.

There is a GULF of a difference between our market value and that of the top clubs around.

And yeah I demand facts, I have yet to be presented with the same.

So why didn't Milan find a way to a better market position? Or do you think it would have been impossible.
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post Jul 28 2014, 10:06 AM
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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jul 28 2014, 10:02 AM) *
Milan's adidas deal is 20M per year for ten years.

United's adidas deal is 100M per year for ten years.

There is a GULF of a difference between our market value and that of the top clubs around.

And yeah I demand facts, I have yet to be presented with the same.

That's one fifth... but we're not even spending one tenth of what United do.
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post Jul 28 2014, 11:30 AM
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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jul 28 2014, 07:02 AM) *
Milan's adidas deal is 20M per year for ten years.

United's adidas deal is 100M per year for ten years.

There is a GULF of a difference between our market value and that of the top clubs around.

And yeah I demand facts, I have yet to be presented with the same.


Man Utd's market value is $2.81 billion.

Milan's is $856M

Chelsea's is $876M - Chelsea just spent 62M on Fabregas & Costa.

Man Utd's market value exceeds ours, yes, but Chelsea's is the same. Yet they're buying in world class players while we beg PSG for their cast offs.

Are those the facts you demand or will you come up with 'yeah but...'.
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jul 28 2014, 11:55 AM) *
So why didn't Milan find a way to a better market position? Or do you think it would have been impossible.


It is simply because United have a far greater reach than Milan, this due simply by the 'fame' the club has. For example United is a household name, hence they can negotiate for better deals whether with Nike or Adidas. While Milan have a marginal influence in comparison.

We all love Milan, and want it to be on a par with all the others. Its convenient to just say Berlusconi is the reason, but is it really? Or is it just the coincidence that the club 'naturally' is not supposed to be considered a top club? We all like to think by default Milan is the best simply because we have 7 CL titles and a rich history? Does that suffice?

QUOTE (dst @ Jul 28 2014, 01:06 PM) *
That's one fifth... but we're not even spending one tenth of what United do.


But then United have greater Revenue than we do, they have sold out (their own) stadium all-round the season, they have strong demand for TV viewings, they have lesser tax expenses to name a few. We would be doing injustice to Milan if we compare the two. Hence why we can not spend one tenth of what United, Chelsea or even Liverpool spend.
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post Jul 28 2014, 01:37 PM
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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jul 28 2014, 08:02 AM) *
Milan's adidas deal is 20M per year for ten years.

United's adidas deal is 100M per year for ten years.

There is a GULF of a difference between our market value and that of the top clubs around.

And yeah I demand facts, I have yet to be presented with the same.

Aren't United a Nike team? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Jul 28 2014, 01:45 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Jul 28 2014, 02:30 PM) *
Man Utd's market value is $2.81 billion.

Milan's is $856M

Chelsea's is $876M - Chelsea just spent 62M on Fabregas & Costa.

Man Utd's market value exceeds ours, yes, but Chelsea's is the same. Yet they're buying in world class players while we beg PSG for their cast offs.

Are those the facts you demand or will you come up with 'yeah but...'.


Your comparing Chelsea to Milan? Don't be silly Danny, EPL is lightyears away from Serie A (like comparing Serie A to the EPL in the late 80s).

Facts I was looking for pertains to FFP and the respective clubs.

PS. Market value has no direct correlation with what the club can spend, yet it correlates well with the bargaining power of the respective club for commercial deals, TV deals and the likes.

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QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 28 2014, 04:37 PM) *
Aren't United a Nike team? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)


Not anymore (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jul 28 2014, 12:45 PM) *
Your comparing Chelsea to Milan? Don't be silly Danny, EPL is lightyears away from Serie A (like comparing Serie A to the EPL in the late 80s).

Facts I was looking for pertains to FFP and the respective clubs.

PS. Market value has no direct correlation with what the club can spend, yet it correlates well with the bargaining power of the respective club for commercial deals, TV deals and the likes.


Sick of your trolling.
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