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Posted by: han2503 Apr 8 2012, 06:58 PM

Losing points here will basically end our chances for this title. I want to see the best possible line-up out there, no more f@cking around with that midfield Allegri, put Aquilani and Nocerino as they were playing before, and FFS no more Muntari!!

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Apr 8 2012, 07:04 PM

fingers crossed for 'actual' timely recoveries

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Apr 9 2012, 11:48 AM

Ambrosini deserves rest for one. I just hope Allegri takes his creativity pills again.

Posted by: nuh Apr 9 2012, 12:03 PM

Amrbosini, Aquilani and Bronera are all banned for this game.

Posted by: acid911 Apr 9 2012, 01:55 PM

Dandy, just dandy. Here's hoping their replacements are ready and step up!

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 9 2012, 02:16 PM

Line-up according to Sportmediaset:

Abbiati; Abate, Nesta, Mexes, Antonini; Nocerino, Muntari, Emanuelson; Robinho; Ibrahimovic, Maxi Lopez.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 9 2012, 02:20 PM

Pray for whatever god you believe in to help us if this is the case.

VB better be ready because we're utterly screwed

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 9 2012, 02:23 PM

Allegri said van Bommel and Boateng will be evaluated today. Seedorf should be available, so I'd play him as DM if van Bommel does't make it.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 9 2012, 03:01 PM

In the miracle occurance that he does, I'd go with

Posted by: d'Arc.LP Apr 9 2012, 04:24 PM

Called up players: Abbiati, Amelia, Piscitelli, De Sciglio, Mexes, Nesta, Zambrotta, Yepes, Emanuelson, Flamini, Gattuso, Muntari Nocerino, Seedorf, Strasser (n. 24), Valoti (n. 57), Cassano, El Shaarawy, Ibrahimovic, Maxi Lopez, Robinho.

I'd go with this:

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 9 2012, 05:07 PM

God help us!

Posted by: I_Rossoneri Apr 9 2012, 05:10 PM

Will Prince ever be available?????????

Posted by: han2503 Apr 9 2012, 05:21 PM

No VB again! FFS!!

I'd rather Muntari does not play. Play Nocerino Urby and Seedorf in midfield, anything but that idiot

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 9 2012, 05:22 PM

I can't see us winning anyhow with those players. No RB, no DM, no AM. Quite ridiculous.

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 9 2012, 05:23 PM

No Van Bommel, but also no Abate and Antonini. Our only fullback available is Zambrotta.

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Apr 9 2012, 05:42 PM

U can add No LB too...

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 9 2012, 05:44 PM

I wonder who will get injured for the next game. Maybe we should make a poll about it.

Posted by: I_Rossoneri Apr 9 2012, 05:44 PM

Our only recognised FB is Zambro and he's 96!

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 9 2012, 06:07 PM

As ugly as things are looking, I'd go with the line-up posted by d'Arc, but in the form of a 4-2-3-1. Play Robinho and El Shaarawy wide with Seedorf as AM, Nocerino and Muntari in front of the defense.

A good coach is someone that can improvise in case of emergency, i.e. Ancelotti playing Serginho as lefback when there was no-one available, or playing the Christmas tree formation when the situation required so. A n00b coach is someone who stays true to his ideas in case of emergency even if they don't make any sense, i.e. Leonardo playing Huntelaar as winger or Allegri playing Emanuelson as trequartista.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Apr 9 2012, 07:07 PM

Yes, I agree about the coach part. One suggestion - Nocerino used to play the fullback position, right? I'd give it a try.

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Apr 9 2012, 07:41 PM

This is news to me.

Posted by: d'Arc.LP Apr 9 2012, 08:25 PM

We're short on midfielders too. I agree with X-Offender, a little rotation wouldn't do bad to the team. I'm not sure how capabale are Nocerino and Muntari as defansive midfielders, but I don't think we have a lot of options.

Posted by: KillerMax Apr 9 2012, 08:57 PM

If frustration times 1 trillion had a an emoticon or there was a word to describe such feeling, I'd post it here right about now.

Posted by: Zed.D Apr 9 2012, 09:22 PM

AAAARRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHH!

Can't fucking believe this ****

Ibra better try to pull something out of his *** otherwise his legendary league record will come to an end.

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 9 2012, 10:09 PM

Amen.

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 10 2012, 01:11 PM

Now even Emanuelson has problems, who will start from the bench. Expect Gattuso to play.

Abbiati; De Sciglio, Nesta, Mexes, Zambrotta; Nocerino, Muntari, Gattuso; Seedorf; Robinho, Ibrahimovic.

http://www.sportmediaset.mediaset.it/calcio/calcioserieA/articoli/15197/serie-a-la-32a-giornata-live.shtml

Posted by: Jack Bauer Apr 10 2012, 01:18 PM

Don't know how we'll win with so many players unavailable. The scudetto could slip away completely this week

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 10 2012, 01:20 PM

We're not winning tonight guys, just forget it. That line-up would barely make it against Cesena, let alone Cheivo, that are in a really good form as of lately. Bye bye scudetto. This is a total joke.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Apr 10 2012, 01:52 PM

I won't give up till it's over.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 10 2012, 02:03 PM

Allegri can easily play 3 forwards and push Seedorf back.

Playing that midfield will end our Scudetto chances.

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 10 2012, 02:06 PM

That's the only viable option left. If Allegri plays that midfield, he'd just be proving his incompetence.

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 10 2012, 02:09 PM

Now Milannews is suggesting that Yepes might play instead of Mexes.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Apr 10 2012, 02:22 PM

Is this a late April fool's joke? What the hell is going on seriously?

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Apr 10 2012, 02:36 PM

+1 may be even 3 CBs

Posted by: Suhail 3 Apr 10 2012, 02:36 PM

Id like a Milan win on my 20th birthday

Posted by: acid911 Apr 10 2012, 02:45 PM

Looks more like a Halloween scare. Players falling like flies. Flies, I say!

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Apr 10 2012, 03:01 PM

Happy B'day!

You're not alone!

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Apr 10 2012, 03:05 PM

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Apr 10 2012, 03:14 PM

Hmm...ok..this one looks hopeless.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Apr 10 2012, 04:01 PM

Well, we gotta fight and die brave, that's the only possible way now.

Posted by: d'Arc.LP Apr 10 2012, 05:04 PM

I think we can win this one. I predict a 2-1 or 3-1 win.

Posted by: Zed.D Apr 10 2012, 05:29 PM

This has been a long, long season... tbh, I don't "expect" us to win the title anymore.

Posted by: d'Arc.LP Apr 10 2012, 05:50 PM

Allegri did try El Shaarawy as the trequartista during yesterday's training, so that's also a likely solution if Emanuelson doesn't make it.

According to the latest reports, Nesta will play tonight despite being plagued with fever.

According to the latest report from Sky: Emanuelson is out. The midfield will be Gattuso-Seedorf-Nocerino with Muntari as the trequartista.

Mexes is still doubtful and he will be tested again shortly before kick-off.

Posted by: Zed.D Apr 10 2012, 06:17 PM

Muntari as trequartista (not to mention a midfield of Gattuso-Seedorf-Nocerino behind him)

Even I'm beginning to wonder if Allegri has any clue... I've always stood by him but if he's going to continue with this **** then I don't know what.

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Apr 10 2012, 06:19 PM

Shoot me...

Posted by: milanbuf88 Apr 10 2012, 06:28 PM

I agree that the potential line up is laughable but what do you expect him to do with all of the injuries and suspensions?

Posted by: han2503 Apr 10 2012, 06:35 PM

Play Robinho behind the front 2? Or El Shaa if it came down to it, but Muntari??? FFS the man is an idiot!! He can't even make a 1 meter pass without screwing it up, how can he play behind the strikers?

This is getting beyond laughable, someone needs to step in and give Allegri the good @ss kicking that's required

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Apr 10 2012, 06:42 PM

am i the only one who saw Strasser's inclusion, i sure as hell would rather see him then rino!!!

Posted by: vahid Apr 10 2012, 06:57 PM

twitter.com/#!/Milanello

AC Milan News ‏ @Milanello
Emanuelson might be able to play tonight despite his ankle problems. He is currently being tested along with Mexes.

Posted by: d'Arc.LP Apr 10 2012, 07:01 PM

OFFICIAL "XI" Vs Chievo (4-3-1-2): Abbiati_De Sciglio-Nesta-Yepes-Zambrotta_Gattuso-Muntari-Nocerino_Seedorf_Ibrahimovic-Robinho.

MILAN BENCH: Amelia, Mexes, Emanuelson, Flamini, Cassano, El Shaarawy, Maxi Lopez

Posted by: Zed.D Apr 10 2012, 07:09 PM

han2503 explained how we can play without having to play a lazy, garbage DM as a tre-q. thankfully, he's playing Seedorf as a tre-q according to the lineup. can't be worse!

Posted by: han2503 Apr 10 2012, 07:11 PM

Shockingly bad line-up

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Apr 10 2012, 07:24 PM

atleast we'll get a good look at de sciglio...

Posted by: vahid Apr 10 2012, 07:30 PM

OMG that midfield.
We are not gonna finish this game with 11 players.

Posted by: Zed.D Apr 10 2012, 07:43 PM

That's the least of our problems

Posted by: acid911 Apr 10 2012, 07:45 PM

Can't disagree with this if I tried. Besides, Chievo are hard to conquer at home.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Apr 10 2012, 07:48 PM

gatusso has started quite bad

Posted by: d'Arc.LP Apr 10 2012, 07:49 PM

There has been a change regarding Milan’s bench: Strasser is now on the bench instead of Flamini.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 10 2012, 07:53 PM

We're so bad.

Gattuso cannot be considered a players anymore, Seriously!!

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Apr 10 2012, 07:54 PM

1-0 muntari... we had been quite poor with our passing so far

Posted by: han2503 Apr 10 2012, 07:54 PM

MUNTARIII!!

The idiot scores!!!

The only thing he can manage to do right

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 10 2012, 07:59 PM

We should hold on tight to this lead.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 10 2012, 08:00 PM

WTF are they doing??

Muntari nearly assisting a goal for them!

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Apr 10 2012, 08:00 PM

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Posted by: X-Offender Apr 10 2012, 08:01 PM

De Sciglio worries me.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Apr 10 2012, 08:02 PM

right now we cant even hold onto the ball for more than few passes

Posted by: acid911 Apr 10 2012, 08:03 PM

Nice to have an early goal for a change! Milan not functioning at even half capacity, hopefully business picks up from now. Can't take this Chievo side easy, they are looking to attack.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 10 2012, 08:04 PM

Rino and Muntari are just as clueless, I've counted 5 times where they've given the ball away near our penalty area

Posted by: dst Apr 10 2012, 08:07 PM

Why are we playing like we are Chievo and have scored a goal at San Siro?

Posted by: han2503 Apr 10 2012, 08:08 PM

If we manage to win this it will be a miracle, these last 3 games have been the worste I've seen from Milan in quite a few years

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Apr 10 2012, 08:10 PM

should have played 3 stiker with robinho dropping deep this 4 in mdifield is useless .. paloschi score offisde goal as i type

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Apr 10 2012, 08:10 PM

Paloschi scores, but is just offside.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 10 2012, 08:11 PM

Rino has to come off at halt time.

Put Cassano behind the strikers. Anything other this this cr@p

Posted by: han2503 Apr 10 2012, 08:12 PM

We'll conceed in the next few minutes, it's coming. Just shocking

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Apr 10 2012, 08:12 PM

yea dont know if cassano can play 45 mins but we need one of the stiker to come on

Posted by: acid911 Apr 10 2012, 08:12 PM

Chievo getting more and more threatening. The fifteen minutes till the half time break can't come sooner.

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 10 2012, 08:14 PM

We're so bad it's unreal.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Apr 10 2012, 08:14 PM

ahh poor first touch by nocerino

Posted by: han2503 Apr 10 2012, 08:15 PM

Ibra is a one man machine. Trying to do everything because his team mates are absolutely failing at everything they do

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Apr 10 2012, 08:17 PM

abbait broke his toe nail.. lets give him 3 weeks out

Posted by: han2503 Apr 10 2012, 08:17 PM

Rino already having cramps

Posted by: han2503 Apr 10 2012, 08:20 PM

You'd think we were playing Barca. Cannot keep the ball for more than a minute

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Apr 10 2012, 08:23 PM

oh comone robinho atleast hit the target after doing so well

Posted by: acid911 Apr 10 2012, 08:24 PM

Robinho, will he ever learn to finish?! Will he?!

Posted by: han2503 Apr 10 2012, 08:28 PM

Seriously it's getting so terribly hard to watch this now.

Posted by: acid911 Apr 10 2012, 08:29 PM

Perfect chance to go 2 goals up, gone begging. That probably would have been the game!

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Apr 10 2012, 08:32 PM

wtf are we doing at midfield

Posted by: han2503 Apr 10 2012, 08:32 PM

OMG!!

Ridiculous!!

Rino just looks like a kid playing with his father!! Just pinging the ball around whenever he touches it!!

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Apr 10 2012, 08:34 PM

we are so lucky to go at HT with a lead..

Posted by: I_Rossoneri Apr 10 2012, 08:35 PM

Gattuso. Is. Finished.

We're playing with nine while he's on the pitch as not only is he not doing anything, but he's drawing other players to cover him. Can't we take him off and play with ten men instead?

Posted by: acid911 Apr 10 2012, 08:36 PM

+1 I'm at loss for words here, the last ten minutes from Gattuso were plain terrible.

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 10 2012, 08:36 PM

There's no need to bash Rino every two minutes, han. I mean, he was terrible last season, what did you expect after 6-7 months of inactivity? He's not at fault here. The one at fault is Allegri for playing him.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Apr 10 2012, 08:38 PM

Yes, yes, Rino really is terrible, but what a sacrifice! I'm positive he isn't ready, yet he's playing and giving his best. Sadly, his best isn't even a third of the regular Rino.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 10 2012, 08:43 PM

It's not bashing. But he's going to cost us this game if he's to stay on. He's just not cut out for it anymore, no matter what his circumstances are, stopping the ball and passing it to the nearest player shouldn't be that hard, yet he can't even do that


Trying his best is just not good enough anymore. Him and De Sciglio on the right are a nightmare! How many times will they have to give the ball back to Chievo right in front of our goal before they score?

Posted by: acid911 Apr 10 2012, 08:47 PM

I'd bring Flamini in at the start of the 2nd half, if he can play. In place of Gattuso. And El Shaarawy too, after a while, say after the 60th minute. If we don't make the necessary changes, it's going to cost us big time - unless we somehow scrape together another goal real quick.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 10 2012, 08:49 PM

Looks like the same team is coming out

Why so typical Allegri?

Posted by: acid911 Apr 10 2012, 08:51 PM

Word coming out that Abbiati may not be able to last the next half. Amelia on standby. Great!

Posted by: acid911 Apr 10 2012, 08:53 PM

His funeral. We're in the lead, yes, but if we somehow slip up (anything less than 3 points today) could very well mean giving away the Scudetto, and Allegri could be out of a job.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 10 2012, 08:55 PM

What a save from Abbiati!

We're in deep sh!t if Allegri doesn't change something in that midfield

Posted by: han2503 Apr 10 2012, 08:55 PM

Pelissier now missing a sitter

Posted by: han2503 Apr 10 2012, 08:56 PM

Muntari yellow

He's so stupid!

Posted by: han2503 Apr 10 2012, 09:06 PM

El Shaa for Rino, finally

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Apr 10 2012, 09:06 PM

el sha on for gatusso.. good move

Posted by: acid911 Apr 10 2012, 09:10 PM

A 1 goal lead (shouldn't really be called a lead) in the 60th is always scary! Another goal, please!

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Apr 10 2012, 09:13 PM

emu on for robinho not sure abiut that..

Posted by: han2503 Apr 10 2012, 09:25 PM

The offside saves that penalty for us!

Oh my so close

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Apr 10 2012, 09:26 PM

oh man off side otherwise it was PK

Posted by: han2503 Apr 10 2012, 09:27 PM

We need to just hold on here

They just cannot make a string of 5 passes

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Apr 10 2012, 09:30 PM

our passing accuracy should be less than 20% today

Posted by: han2503 Apr 10 2012, 09:31 PM

Seedorf moving in slow motion now and giving the ball away

They just have to hold on for these last few minutes

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Apr 10 2012, 09:32 PM

strasser on for seedorf... btw what happend to merkel ??

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Apr 10 2012, 09:38 PM

yepes breakes his nose

Posted by: han2503 Apr 10 2012, 09:38 PM

Yepes now with a broken nose

Our players are actually dropping like flies

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Apr 10 2012, 09:40 PM

FT 1-0 FFS this was hard

Posted by: acid911 Apr 10 2012, 09:40 PM

What a weird, weird match.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 10 2012, 09:40 PM

FT

We actually sweat blood to get these 3 points

Posted by: acid911 Apr 10 2012, 09:41 PM

Aye, just barely reached the finish line. Hopefully next one is much better as players return!

Posted by: han2503 Apr 10 2012, 09:41 PM

If we can't get our injured players back than our season can be over within the next 2 matchdays. We cannot rely on wins like these again.

Posted by: I_Rossoneri Apr 10 2012, 09:42 PM

F*ck me what a finish! That is probably the worst I have seen us play in a long time but we still manage to get the three points. We are really starting to falter right at the wrong time of the season...

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Apr 10 2012, 09:42 PM

one shot on goal...

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 10 2012, 09:43 PM

I believe the term was spit blood

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Apr 10 2012, 09:49 PM

Didn't watch the match. Is Ibra any use or is he part of the walking wounded as well? Thoughts on de Sciglio?

Posted by: Zed.D Apr 10 2012, 09:49 PM

I'm lost for words, we were sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo bad. embarrassing. pathetic.


Seedorf, if you're reading this (which I'm not sure you are!) GTFO out of this club at the end of the season. thanks.

Posted by: acid911 Apr 10 2012, 09:51 PM

Particularly, if you consider how we kept it together the earlier part of the season. Our title run could have finished before it begun had we struggled in the first half of the league. It'll be heartbreaking to go out now, after being in the race for so long. Fingers crossed, we get Silva and MvB back as soon as possible.

Posted by: acid911 Apr 10 2012, 09:52 PM

Nervy. Very nervy at the start. Got a tad better after that.

Posted by: Zed.D Apr 10 2012, 09:53 PM

I don't know about the others, especially his fanboys who'll worship him no matter what, but Ibra's been on my nerve lately. awful.

As for the #52 kid, had a bad 1st half, in the second half he was more solid but still made weird mistakes, misjudgements, etc.

Posted by: acid911 Apr 10 2012, 09:58 PM

Pretty much the norm for him. I've been seeing this guy play for years, and when he's fresh he's at his peak. The moment things get tough (knockout matches, last leg of the season, etc) he just gets back to second or third gear. Last season it was Pato who saved our collective behinds, Ibra was back to being awful.

This season Allegri said that he'll play Ibra selectively, just to keep him fresh. And we all know how that went.

Posted by: Zed.D Apr 10 2012, 10:04 PM

Did he really say it? throughout the match I was asking myself why should Ibra play 90 minutes each game... even when he's crap, he still gets to play every minute of each game. and before anyone says he's being overused and it's Max's fault, I bet Ibra would be the first to react angrily if he didn't start a game or were subbed halfway the second half.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 10 2012, 10:09 PM

Ibra today was the only one who did ok. He held the ball up well, tried too keep it as much as he could for us, was basically playing in midfield, winning possession, putting in tackles.

Posted by: acid911 Apr 10 2012, 10:11 PM

Yes, I'm pretty sure he did at the start of the season. But then Ibra started banging in the goals (and well, penalties), got high up in the charts as the top scorer, and I am sure greed took over. He wants to play every match, all 90 minutes so he can score (and help us win, I am sure). But it's a classic case of passion over sanity.

Ibrahimović is a tall lad, weighs quite a bit too, and as good as he is built, his body can't stand all this play time.

Posted by: William405 Apr 10 2012, 10:12 PM

I can't believe we won this,I couldn't watch the match,but things were certainly not looking great.

Posted by: Zed.D Apr 10 2012, 10:15 PM

No he dwelled on the ball way too much, misplaced a lot of passes and made a lot of mistakes. at least that's what I saw tonight. I'm not saying he was bad at everything he did, that was Seedorf.

Posted by: Jack Bauer Apr 10 2012, 10:19 PM

With the nightmare squad we had for this game, we knew it won't be pretty. Don't care how it was done as long we won. We just need to hang in there for a little longer.

Posted by: William405 Apr 10 2012, 10:21 PM

Yeah,really I don't understand the complaints atm...

Posted by: han2503 Apr 10 2012, 10:53 PM

I didn't see him losing the ball, I saw him making a smart pass to his team mates and they would lose the ball stupidly

I think it's pointless to pinpoint certain players, everyone was way below par. Rino, Seedorf, Muntari, all were shockingly bad. Robinho does something amazing in the build-up and than makes an @ss of himself with the finish, Ibra was not supplied properly and was mostly in midfield. De Sciglio is not a good player imo, just does not show any sort of promise. Zambro was decent at times and than he does something stupid at another point

It was just an overall bad performance


We had a lot of problems but this could have been made slightly easier had Allegri not put out that line-up. Once again he selects a midfield formation that wouldn't even work in his dreams. We were just lucky that Chievo did not score any of their chances or this could have been another game where we just end up regretting what happened.

Allegri could have easily played Robinho behind Ibra and another striker and played a midfield of Nocerino, Seedorf and Urby/Strasser/Muntari. Rino is just not cut out for it anymore, he just cannot be called a professional player any longer, he's finished at this level and it seriously shows.


I think there are many reasons to be complaining.

First, as I pointed out above, is the selection of the line-up, just a big cluster f@ck choice from Allegri that could have cost us big time. Then there is the fact that yes, we are in deep sh!t because of injuries and suspensions, but come on FFS!! You and the rest of us expect a more professional performance from seasoned players, yes they're tired, yes they're on their last legs and most of them would never have started had we had a full squad to choose from, but come ON!! I expect these players to make a 1 yard pass to their team mates without giving the ball away, I expect them to be able to keep the ball better when we're under pressure, I expect them NOT to give the ball away at the edge of our area. It's just basic football 101 that I'm speaking of here, not the formula for Barca's tika taka BS football

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 10 2012, 10:56 PM

These were probably the luckiest 3 points under Allegri's management. I seriously didn't think we'd win it today, and if it wasn't for that early, unexpected goal, we wouldn't have won. The starting line-up was freaky, to say the last.

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 10 2012, 11:00 PM

Man, just how classy is that Nesta guy! The years pass by, but he remains a very solid defender. An example to everyone.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 10 2012, 11:07 PM

Yes, I hope we don't gift wrap him for Juve as we did with Pirlo at the end of the season

They better offer him an extension ASAP, policies should be thrown out of the window in such cases. He's 10 times as important to us as the other old gaurd players (next to VB)

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Apr 10 2012, 11:19 PM

He is.

Han you say Ibra was the only good player, I say Abbiati deserved some praise. Anyway, awful match, three points in the pocket, let's move on. Play down the negativity, if it was just for you negative guys, we'd already be losers!

Posted by: William405 Apr 10 2012, 11:22 PM

+1

To the other game!Hopefully we recover our players!

Posted by: han2503 Apr 10 2012, 11:26 PM

I didn't say he was the only good player per se, but since zeddie mentioned him specifically I focused on him.

If we're going to talk about who did well from the outfield players than Nesta and Yepes would be the obvious picks for this game (for me)

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Apr 10 2012, 11:39 PM

Yeah. Hell, the boy wasn't that bad either. Seedorf had his typical off game, but we shouldn't be that harsh on him. Rino, well, it was painful for me. I love his determination and Milan heart, always will. Nesta and Yepes were lions, Zambrotta didn't do bad as well. Finally, kudos to Muntari, the idiot scorer!

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Apr 11 2012, 12:05 AM

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 11 2012, 06:14 AM

So the minute he slows down you can attack him?

I hope he does move to a different club at the end of this season, leaving with his head held high

Posted by: Zed.D Apr 11 2012, 08:21 AM

Jack Sparrow asked about Ibra and I stated my opinion of him which I repeat, I think he's been poor lately. but we all know that how he usually performs at this time of the seasons...

I don't think everyone was below par though. Yepes and Nesta were fine. Abbiati made the necessary saves as usual. Zambro wasn't having a bad day. even Muntari wasn't as bad as I'd expected (his fantastic goal aside), we were good in our own half, it's our attacking half that let down big time. you can defend Ibra, but I think no matter how tired and unsupplied he is, you can't justify his [probably] 0 shots on goal. even Robinho managed to get past the defense and seriously test their keeper at one point! DISCLAIMER: I'm not saying Robs did have a better game than Ibra. if I give Ibra a 5, I'd give Robs a 3.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 11 2012, 09:06 AM

Attack him? lol

Just because I pointed out how painfully bad Rino was I'm attacking him? It's different with Nesta, always has been, Rino and Ambro were players that always relied on their physicality to impose themselves. What's left of Rino now? A man who is desperately trying to recapture what he used to have, the problem is that his body has given up on him, he simply does not have the fitness capabilities to play at this level anymore

Nesta is a player that relies on inteligence, it's why even when he was practically moving in slow motion against Barca he still basically kept Messi in his back pocket. You can't compare, the players are 2 worlds apart from each other. If they let Nesta go to Juve, Galliani should just throw himself off the San Siro stands because he'd reach an even bigger level of stupidity than he did with the Pirlo situation, one of the main reasons why Juve are ahead of us in the table today.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 11 2012, 11:47 AM

Ringo came back after 5 months and this was his first game. Allow me to rephrase; are you judging from that one match after a 5 months absence? Please
Yes he is old'er' and yes he is not suited to play at this level anymore given his age, but so are Giggs and Scholes, yet they are praised by the United fans for their 'efforts' at their respective ages!

Nesta should move on instead of going through what Inzaghi has gone through; if I was to comment on Inzaghi I'd say he never had the physical strength yet relies on 'intelligence' as well. Milan has Thiago and Mexes, that should be sufficient. Heck even Maldini got heat from here, so why should Nesta stay? And lets assume Nesta does drop in form, would he deserve your 'constructive' criticism?

Galliani being stupid? Dude Galliani is a reference point in Milan, the fact that he is forced to work on a tight budget should not be isolated from the overall contribution that he provides. You think he wouldn't like to have a multimillion transfer kitty to get you an all-star XI? Or maintain those veterans (whom you approve) that demand a high salary? Pirlo's situation was clear last year, the coach didn't have the time to assess him in a new position; ie LMF. This, as per Tassotti's justification for why Pirlo wasn't given a 3-year contract.

And why are you so dry on the Pirlo matter? I thought he was the predictable one, the one that we could replace with players like Montolivo or Aquilani?


All in all, I wish our veterans to move on at the end of this season, simply because I am tired of hearing this broken record being played on and on; Gattuso is not good enough, Ambro is clueless, Seedorf is slow, Maldini should have retired 8 yrs ago, etc.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Apr 11 2012, 12:25 PM

Gattusso from football-italia:

Posted by: Zed.D Apr 11 2012, 12:51 PM

I like the Pacino part of his interview better!

Posted by: han2503 Apr 11 2012, 01:16 PM

I expect him to at least not give up the ball right in front of our penalty area, I expect him to at least make a 1 yard pass that is aimed at his team mate and not an opposing player. The point here is not Gattuso and whether he's good enough or not anymore, it's the fact that he was started in this game, a game that could potentially have decided our season.

Nesta should move on?? Are you kidding me here? What he should go to Juve and potentially make them a stronger team? Curtesy of their direct rivals for the title?? Where has the logic gone? Nesta is still a crucial element of our defense, Mexes isn't even half the player he is. Even if Nesta were to spend next season out injured, I wouldn't care as long as he'd not at Juve. Sure he makes mistakes sometimes, and even if his form were to drop drastically he's still a far too intelligent player to make the sort of mistakes being made by the other veterans. Pippo is another case altogether, he always had that short burst of pace to get away, he's lost that as well as the most crucial element to his game, his finishing.

Are you seriously trying to defend Galliani on the Pirlo situation? He practically gave Juve the key to the title by not renewing Pirlo's contract. Pirlo is basically the linchpin in all of Juve's attacking play and yet we say it's ok that we let him go for free??? Just ridiculous. Galliani might have pulled off some good deals in recent years, but that certainly does not erase some of the bone headed moves he's accomplished either

Only Nesta and VB are the ones who can still play at this level, which is why they need to be given an extension, the rest are just not capable of it anymore

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 11 2012, 02:20 PM

So now its Gattuso's fault he started the game?

Yes Nesta should move, logic is that he leaves on a high rather than get the regular treatment our veterans get.

When was the last time you got a chance to assess Pippo? oh those three times that he got 4 mins that he is on the field

Yes I defend Galliani despite his short-comings, life is like this, nothing is 100% satisfaction guaranteed and if you don't get that, then life will be very disappointing for you.
He gave Juve the title? By giving away Pirlo? Now lets assume Seedorf goes there next season and he becomes more crucial to their title bid, will Galliani also be at fault for not renewing his contract?

No Nesta should definitely leave, save himself the insults that will be directed his way when his legs cant handle it anymore.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 11 2012, 03:03 PM

I never said it was his fault, just that he shouldn't have been played (I think you know who I'm referring to here ), if he continues on next season than that is were his sanity should be questioned

How can you give anyone a definate answer whether this is Nesta's last season with a high?he can have another few seasons at the top. And sorry if this offends you in some way, but I want those last seasons to be at Milan not with f@cking Juventus!

I've seen enough minutes from Pippo to come to this conclusion. He still gets opportunities when he's on, because that instinct is still there, but he rarely even aims it at the target.

Seedorf is clearly at the end of his rope, while Pirlo was the youngest of the bunch from our old gaurd, and along with Nesta was one of the few I always maintained that we should have held onto, yet look what happened. We did not meet his 3 year demand and he got that at Juve, and he's now helpng them towards a title. Genius I tell you, Genius!!

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Apr 11 2012, 04:07 PM

Come on, he didn't do "that" bad. Yes, it was sad and painful watching him, but like always you overreact when it comes to muscle players. I know all that he's done bad, and I've seen his weaknesses one by one. Yesterday in halftime I went to this form and wanted to say how something about him and our game in a critical fashion, but after I saw the mean, angry, repulsive responses he got I just lost interest. How can we dwell on someone who's been out for months, mistreated, diagnosed a complicated condition, under heavy medications and not ready? How can I repeat one by one his mistakes when it's clear that the guy is playing just for his heart, just in this dire injury crisis? He'd play with two arms for god sake, and that's what matters most to me! His heart, his love for Milan! Not one lousy Chievo match, not his bad passing or piss poor positioning! For god sake, if Milan had lost the 3 points it again wouldn't be his fault, this was only an emergency!


Are you sure Nesta is that crucial? To be honest, I'm with R7, he's right. Nesta is a giant to me, and I don't want to tarnish my memory of his playing days by remembering how he spent the last year(s) on the bench, warming up for a 2 minute special. If the opposition is wise enough to lure him in, it's only our fault. Nesta, like Ambro, Pirlo or Clarence clearly love our club and they sure prefer red-and-black. So the problem can only be with Allegri or the management.


You can say that with certainty? Can't believe you made such a hastened comment. Sure the kid was far from convincing but to say a 19 year old debutant isn't a good player based on one match is too much for me! We said the same about Abate, now look where he is. Abate is the living proof that you can become a fair or even good fullback without having either talent or the instinct/intelligence.

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 11 2012, 04:33 PM

Gattuso was beyond horrible last night. His performance was on par with those we see in the various "Glorie" games (like Rangers-Milan last week) of ex-players coming from years of inactivity. Yet, he's not to blame. The one at fault is no-one but Allegri. I mean, he's pulled plenty of idiotic stunts during these two years, but that of playing an ex-footballer like Gattuso from the start in a very crucial match for our season takes the cake IMO.

As for Nesta, why on earth would you want him out? He can't be compared to the likes of Zambrotta, Ambrosini, Seedorf etc. The guy at 36 years plays with incredible class and managed to restrain the best footballer in the world, for more than once this season. He can still play at high levels, even for another season, and he'll never be considered second choice. That's what distinguishes him from the rest of the bunch.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 11 2012, 04:34 PM

Yes he was "that" bad.

Yes, I know his situation is absolutely a sh!tty one, he was misdiagnosed, mistreates, mis-everything under the medical umbrella. But looking the other way because of these things will certainly not help anyone, not him, and certainly not this team. Closing our eyes to the fact that he's simply not cut out for this any more will only mean that he'll be once again given the chance as a player, and I don't have any major issues with that if I were sure that the management would buy someone lese to fill in for him and that he wouldn't play in these games.

But we've been through this scenario a million times. If Ambro, Rino, Zambro, etc were to get an extension we all know what will happen. We'll once again go into another season with no replacements and still relying on these guys who simply have nothing left to give to this team.

And where did you get the idea that I hate muscle players? Because of my absolute dislike of Muntari? Becaue I'm not an avid Ambro fan? Rino has been one of my top 10 players of these last few years, forget about just Milan. I'm still a huge Rino fan, I'm still a huge Van Basten fan, a Sheva fan, a Maldini fan. But does that mean I want them playing for us now?


I think his performances against Barca absolutely prove how crucial he is for us, and to compare that to something, just watch the away game to Arsenal. Even Thiago crumbled under the pressure. Nesta is not only important because f his immense defensive capabiltes, but for his leadership, cool head and absolute class. We might have Rino and Ambro as the so-called captains, but in reality they were never cut out for such a position in the team. Nesta is our true leader and when he's not on the pitch, it's felt. Maybe not against the Cagliaris of the league, but in big games he's one of our most crucial elements


Abate is a different case though. First of all he was considered a winger when he was brought back and suddenly he was pushed back in defense. Secondly we watched Abate mess up for quite some time before coming to the conclusion that he wasn't good, and yet he's worked so hard to prove us all wrong. Him doing that can only be contributed to such great work ethic, had he not worked so hard to improve himself he could still be considered a Serie B level player. What exactly did De Sciglio show that pointed towards any talent, even very raw unpolished talent? All I saw was a kid way out of his depth making mistakes. Him and Rino very well nearly gave me a heart attack at some points in the game

Posted by: han2503 Apr 11 2012, 04:35 PM

Completely agree with this.

Posted by: KillerMax Apr 11 2012, 06:41 PM

And we have a winning argument.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 11 2012, 08:23 PM

Maldini, the two seasons that lead to his retirement, I remember a couple of our members stringing slurs and the usual-on-milanfan 'he's just too old' comments.

You've seen enough of Inzaghi? Bro I haven't seen him at all this season, and he is one of my all-time favorites. Heck Muntari who hasn't played in a year is given playing time to improve his overall form.

Pirlo was offered the same contract that Seedorf, Gattuso, Ambrosini, Nesta were given and yet its Galliani's fault? Genius? Yes we didn't meet his 3 year demand, we have a ceiling cap remember. Also please consider that he was injured for the most part last season and Allegri couldn't get a chance to assess him in a different position, what if that didn't work? We keep him on the bench for three years just because we don't want him to go for free to Juventus? ok.

Seedorf is at the end of his rope, wonder why Allegri starts with him against Barca instead of Aquilani or Urby, must be because he lacks that intelligence Seriously.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 11 2012, 08:40 PM

Lol, I love how the extension cap was suddenly applied, it was just ridiculous, after years of giving over 30 players 5 year extensions with astronomical wages we suddenly want to implement a policy. Sure it's a good policy but common sense has to go along with it. Pirlo was the youngest of that bunch, not to mention the obvious one which still had a lot to give to this shirt. I'm watching him play against Lazio now, you should do the same and than insist to me how that decision not to give him a 3 year extension was a smart one

Pippo has been given menial chances, I agree that Allegri has not been fair to him. But I've seen enough this season whether from friendies or the little scraps of time he's been given. He gets into a good position and blazes over, even when he's whistled offside and still shoots (like he always does) he can't even test the keeper. Inzaghi's physical capabilities have left him, just like Gattuso. He played more than 30 minutes against Juve and was cumpled in a heep on the floor before the 20 minute mark was reached

What does it matter that he started him in one game? he cannot even function when asked to play 2 games in a row. He literally couldn't even jog around anymore yesterday once the 60th minute mark was reached.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 11 2012, 09:36 PM

Well if you take the FFP seriously, which is a reality btw, then no it isn't ridiculous, it's common sense. Moreover, that decision was taken by the coach, I'm not telling you, Tassotti is telling you. Didn't fit into your Scudetto winning coach's plans He prefers Aquilani and Montolivo type players to a champion like Pirlo

Dude you try to comprehend that the measly 4 mins of extra time is not enough to get him in match form, let alone get into those positions you mentioned. Heck, when Kaka got injured you said give him time, match fitness and .. All of a sudden that doesn't apply to Inzaghi or Gattuso? They just can't get enough of this criticism now can they?

Yep give your swipe at Seedorf. He is finished as a player, yet Allgeri must be as dumb as Leonardo and Ancelotti combined ... And we are the clever ones who see and know everything

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 11 2012, 09:56 PM

We play Genoa and Bologna, both at home in the next two rounds. Two imperative wins. Juve face Cesena away (easy) and Roma at home. Somehow I doubt they'll lose points there.

Posted by: Zed.D Apr 11 2012, 10:07 PM

Aren't Cesena at home a bit tricky? it's these games that I'm hopeful of Juve dropping points not the big ones.

I hope Cesena park a double-decker bus against Zebras

Posted by: han2503 Apr 11 2012, 10:15 PM

I'm more trusting of Cesena than Roma tbh. But after watching today's game against Lazio, I'm pretty sure we've already handed them this title

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 11 2012, 10:31 PM

Cesena are 99% relegated. I honestly don't think it'll be a problem to beat them. My only hope are Roma.

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Apr 12 2012, 01:07 AM

Not to mention that we have two, what can prove to be very difficult games in the likes of Genoa & Bologna coming up.

Then there's the Milan derby. (I've got some mixed emotions about this one to be honest)

For some reason, it's now beginning to look like we have the more difficult set of matches coming to the end.

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 12 2012, 01:48 AM

If we can't beat the pathetic team that Genoa are right now then we don't deserve to win the scudetto.

Posted by: William405 Apr 12 2012, 09:34 AM

You've said this...

When in fact,we've been facing such difficulties because of those injuries,our full healthy team wouldn't be stopped by any of the remaining teams.

Posted by: Danny Apr 12 2012, 01:59 PM

Well given you stated, not as an opinion, but as a 'fact', that we wouldn't beat Chievo...

You seem quite prone to these extremist comments. And you're not the only one around here guilty of that.

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 12 2012, 05:27 PM

You know very well (if you saw the game) that our win against Chievo was a total fluke and that we didn't deserve to get the three points. Extremist comments? They're all within logic. Genoa don't win a game since 6 February. In the last 10 matches they have collected 6 draws and 4 losses. They're only two points away from relegation zone. How would a Milan fan hope to win the title if they can't beat such an opponent, at home?

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 12 2012, 08:33 PM

By the way, someone please open a Milan-Genoa topic. The match is in two days.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 12 2012, 08:34 PM

Just did as you were posting this

Posted by: Danny Apr 12 2012, 08:56 PM

Doesn't make a difference. You stated as a fact we wouldn't win. And we did.



Dunno, ask Man Utd who lost to Wigan yesterday.

Like I say, you're a bit prone to emotional reaction.

Posted by: acid911 Apr 12 2012, 09:04 PM

Gee, how closely stacked are these last stretch of matches. Paying for the long summer/winter breaks!

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 12 2012, 11:06 PM

I think it's only natural to be prone to emotions in the circumstances we're in right now. Yet what I said in regard to the Chievo and Genoa games were only logical statements based on actual facts.

Posted by: Danny Apr 13 2012, 12:32 PM

There's nothing logical about stating the future as a fact. Even predicting is a waste of time, but actually stating categorically what is going to happen is futile.

And I'm only human myself, I've made the same error. Even if I turned out to be correct.

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 13 2012, 04:03 PM

LOL, what are you saying? It's a fact that Genoa are rubbish at the moment, and it's only logical saying we couldn't win against Chievo given that tremendous starting line-up. No-one is trying to predict the future here. I was only stating my opinion, regardless of how I might have phrased it.

Posted by: Danny Apr 13 2012, 04:28 PM

Opinion? Much better. And yes, you phrased it horrifically.

Posted by: acid911 Apr 13 2012, 09:07 PM

I think it was more of a case of a hasty phrasing. As in, if it came to it that we lost to Genoa, our credence as a champion team will take a serious hit. Sure, the history doesn't ask these details, 50 years down the road, it'll be who won the title when. But losing to a team as hopeless as this Genoa, is well what can one say!

Having said that, as I said before, I'd be very, very surprised if we get anything less than 3 points here. Our relationship with Genoa is such that it's practically out of the question.

Posted by: Danny Apr 19 2012, 01:45 PM

I don't buy into the knee jerk notion that if we lose to Genoa we might as well pack our bags and quit football.

Man Utd lost to Wigan and I guarantee they don't intend to quit football.

Freak results do happen, it's how you respond to them which dictates your credibility as potential champions.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Apr 19 2012, 02:51 PM

Well the difference is we have thrown away a 4 point lead, are 1 point behind the leaders with very few games left to play for.

Man Utd just had their cushion reduced.

If Man Utd had a point less than Man City and then proceeded to lose against Wigan in the most embarassing manner then the press would act entirely differently. And the fans...well let's face it....there's a big difference in stature between SAF and Max.

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 19 2012, 03:09 PM

We already lost to Fiorentina. Two consecutive "freak results" are not acceptable. And yes, like Jack said, ManU had an 8-point lead when they lost to Wigan. We only had a 2-point lead when we lost to the viola and it cost us big time. Another false step and it's bye bye scudetto, for real.

Posted by: Danny Apr 19 2012, 03:20 PM

You're both so pessimistic. We're the champions. Last season we drew abysmally with Bari at home on March 13th before then losing away to Palermo the following match in a 'freak' result.

We won the league.

As I said, it's how you respond to bad results which dictates if you'll win the league.

Everyone's too uptight!

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 19 2012, 03:23 PM

Last season we didn't lose the lead. This season we did. The title's destiny is in Juve's hands now, and judging from how well they've been playing lately, it'd take a miracle for them to lose it.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 19 2012, 06:43 PM

Can't agree with this. Man U had a lot of lee-way to make such mis-steps, while we couldn't afford it. We gave up the game against Catania because of Barca and than crumbled completely against Fiorentina. A 4 point lead we had worked so hard to get disintegrated in a matter of a couple of days.

It's simply not acceptable, and if we do lose anymore points than the title is over and done with. I can't see Juve losing more than 2 points from now till the end of the season. They're in great shape again, while we're completely faltering

Posted by: acid911 Apr 19 2012, 10:03 PM

If anything, Manchester United should be the Juventus, and Milan should be Man City in this scenario. They were the ones playing catchup a few months back, and City were leading. Just like us!