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Posted by: Jack Sparrow Sep 23 2010, 07:55 AM
SERIE A- Round 5 
Match: A.C Milan vs. Genoa CFC
Date: 25 September 2010, Sunday
Time: 12.00 pm ET
Venue: San Siro
League Positions
A.C Milan: 8th [ P-4, W-1, D-2, L-1 ] Coach: Massimilano Allegri
Genoa CFC: 13th [P-4, W-1, D-2, L-1 ] Coach: Gian Piero Gasperini
Stats/Info from Soccernet
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So here goes nothing.
2 teams both hotly tipped at the start of the season on the basis of their ambitious transfer moves are struggling with poor starts. Both desperately want a win. Both are known to be attacking sides. Should be a keen contest.
Posted by: Protagonist Sep 23 2010, 08:10 AM
We can achieve a win.
on a side note, when is Pato coming back ?
Posted by: Bluesummers Sep 23 2010, 08:15 AM
I'd play this.
---------abbiati----------
-Zamb---Nesta---Silva--Antonini--
-------------Pirlo------------
------Boateng------Flamini-
---Robinho--------------Dinho--
---------------Ibra---------
4-3-3 
Posted by: elcordobez Sep 23 2010, 08:48 AM
on a side note, when is Pato coming back ?
They said 3 weeks from after Auxerre last week.
So 2 weeks?
Yes we can win,Kaladze needs to bang in some goals for us
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Sep 23 2010, 09:01 AM
---------abbiati----------
-Zamb---Nesta---Silva--Antonini--
-------------Pirlo------------
------Boateng------Flamini-
---Robinho--------------Dinho--
---------------Ibra---------
4-3-3
Not sure if Flam and Robbie have enough time to be fit to ply completely.
If Allegri is still experimenting maybe we can try play Robinho as treqqie and put Ibra and Pippo up front. What's to lose...it's a home game..Pippo is scoring/getting into scoring positions.
Stick to the 4-3-1-2.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 23 2010, 09:06 AM
---------abbiati----------
-Zamb---Nesta---Silva--Antonini--
-------------Pirlo------------
------Boateng------Flamini-
---Robinho--------------Dinho--
---------------Ibra---------
4-3-3
Boateng and Flamini need to be behind Pirlo, I can't stand to see him wasted the way he's being wasted in this system
Posted by: d'Arc.LP Sep 23 2010, 11:24 AM
If Robinho and Flamini are fit, i'd play this agains Genoa :
Zambortta - Sokratis - Silva - Antonini
Boateng - Flamini
Robinho - Pirlo - Ronaldinho
Ibrahimovic
Nesta needs a rest.
Posted by: Bluesummers Sep 23 2010, 11:41 AM
well this is allegri's 4-3-3.
Pirlo sits in front of the defence
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Sep 23 2010, 02:04 PM
And I plough my field using a Porsche.
Posted by: acid911 Sep 23 2010, 02:08 PM
You have a field on that marooned island of yours? 
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Sep 23 2010, 03:33 PM
... and a Porsche. 
Posted by: acid911 Sep 23 2010, 04:24 PM
Oh, I'm not surprised at all on that count. I know Porsche used to (and still does) make tractors. A cheapskate pirate like you surely can't afford a 911 or Boxster, so you having a Porsche Super Diesel makes perfect sense. Here take a look:
I was actually more taken by you having a field that you plough on that 20 x 20 meter god forsaken island of yours. I can only imaging how cramped you'd be for space! 
Not to mention lonely.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Sep 23 2010, 05:39 PM
Sexy isn't it? 
She's my baby! A bit worn for wear...she can still give Seedorf a close run around the San Siro pitch. 
Posted by: agenth Sep 24 2010, 12:29 PM
all hope is lost.
Allegri continues to play 4-3-3
and if that isn't the worst:
Gattuso-Pirlo-Seedorf midfield: expect slowness and losing the ball, which means we are doomed since we keep playing possession football
And allegri continues to play Boateng in Attack.
Even though both methods have failed in the past games, he keeps doing it. WTF
Posted by: d'Arc.LP Sep 24 2010, 12:46 PM
Robinho will start against Genoa.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 24 2010, 01:54 PM
If he uses that lineup again I really want to see Galliani take some action, because this is getting ridiculous!!!
Rino, Pirlo, Seedorf in midfield??? When we have Flamini and Boateng being wasted??!! WTF?!! And Robinho can only gain fitness by playing, not getting 5 minutes every game 
I hope Gazzetta are seriously wrong on this one!
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Sep 24 2010, 02:36 PM
Well, Allegri did say that he wont change the formation, regardless of results after the 3rd Serie A game. So he will remain with the 4-3-3.
Problem is he doesn't have much options upfront at the moment, with Robinho not in form and Pato out, he really should consider changing formations. But I guess he is as stubborn as the rest 
Posted by: acid911 Sep 24 2010, 02:38 PM
She sure can, particularly the first one, with that paddle power.
Not so certain about the heavy engine ones, Seedorf would probably be rolled into the pitch if one runs over him, he is that darn slow.Quoted for truth.
I hope Gazzetta are dead wrong on this one too!
Posted by: han2503 Sep 24 2010, 03:32 PM
Problem is he doesn't have much options upfront at the moment, with Robinho not in form and Pato out, he really should consider changing formations. But I guess he is as stubborn as the rest
How can we know if Robinho's in form? He has barely played. Allegri keeps talking about his fitness, but that can only be gained through playing matches. He doesn't want to change the formation? Fine! Then play Robinho, not Boateng there! If he doesn't think Robinho is ready then switch to 4-3-1-2 FFS! The 4-3-3 without the neccessary players is going to sink us!
Allegri needs to get his head out of his @ss right now or our season will be over before it started! I defended him up to the moment he started pulling this cr@p on us. What was the point of getting rid of Leo if we're still swimming in the same pile of cr@p?!
EDIT. R7 this is not directed at you. I'm just venting at the current situation we find ourselves in
Posted by: d'Arc.LP Sep 24 2010, 06:33 PM
Abbiati, Amelia, Roma
Antonini, Nesta, Thaigo Silva, Sokratis, Zambrotta, Yepes
Abate, Boateng, Flamini, Seedorf, Pirlo, Gattuso
Robinho, Ronaldinho, Inzaghi, Ibrahimovic
Injured: Ambrosini, Pato, Bonera
Not called: Oduamadi, Montelongo, Oddo, Jankulovski, Onyewu e Strasser.
Possible formation :
Zambrotta – Nesta – Silva – Antonini
Flamini – Pirlo – Boateng
Robinho – Ronaldinho
Ibrahimovic
source: http://acmilan-shqip.org/sq/lajme/milan-catania-formacioni-i-milanit-2/
Posted by: William405 Sep 24 2010, 08:24 PM
Haha Bonera is injured,I remember someone betting that he will start at rb
Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 24 2010, 08:31 PM
Zambrotta – Nesta – Silva – Antonini
Flamini – Pirlo – Boateng
Robinho – Ronaldinho
Ibrahimovic
I like that line-up.
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 24 2010, 11:11 PM
Zambrotta – Nesta – Silva – Antonini
Flamini – Pirlo – Boateng
Robinho – Ronaldinho
Ibrahimovic
source: http://acmilan-shqip.org/sq/lajme/milan-catania-formacioni-i-milanit-2/
According to, whom?
We'll play like this, according to Sportmediaset:
Zambrotta - Nesta - T. Silva - Antonini
Gattuso - Seedorf - Flamini
Boateng - Ibrahimovic - Ronaldinho
I'd agree about giving Pirlo some rest and let Seedorf play in his position instead, but why oh why does Allegri keep playing Gattuso, and mostly, Boateng in attack? It doesn't make any f@cking sense!!!
Edit: I'll be going to the stadium, by the way, hopefully to bring some luck.
Posted by: d'Arc.LP Sep 24 2010, 11:15 PM
We'll play like this, according to Sportmediaset:
Zambrotta - Nesta - T. Silva - Antonini
Gattuso - Seedorf - Flamini
Boateng - Ibrahimovic - Ronaldinho
I'd agree about giving Pirlo some rest and let Seedorf play in his position instead, but why oh why does Allegri keep playing Gattuso, and mostly, Boateng in attack? It doesn't make any f@cking sense!!!
Edit: I'll be going to the stadium, by the way, hopefully to bring some luck.
I posted the source
.We'll see how we'll play...
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 24 2010, 11:37 PM
.We'll see how we'll play...
Well, that's your website, if I'm not mistaken. Where did you get your inspiration from?
Posted by: shevchenko_007 Sep 25 2010, 03:04 AM
I keep hearing that Robinho can't play because he is out of form... If somebody can please tell me how gattuso and seedorf are in form then i would love to know? It is completely unfair that robinho is getting no game time when he is the direct replacement for pato.
I don't mind the 4-3-3 as this is the only way ronnie can play and i dont want to see him on the bench.
A good line up for me would be:
-------------------Abbiati------------------
Zambrotta----Nesta----Silva----Antonini
-----Flamini------Pirlo------Boateng------
Robinho-----------Zlatan----------Ronnie
I agree we need a change, but with the right players then the 4-3-3 can still work, especially with a hard working midfield that can still pass a ball. I would like to see boateng playing on ronnie's side, i think they would link up well together and ronnie will appreciate his energy and use of space, unlike slowdorf (who i think is killing ronnie's spirit)
Posted by: Kourosh Sep 25 2010, 05:37 AM
I want to see Robinho play. I think the best thing is to stick with 4-3-3 but Allegri must use the right players in their right positions. Boateng in wings is just crazy. Robinho should play even if he is not completely fit. In every press conference Allegri says that he should have had more time to work with the team so new players could adapt to their roles and every time he says we have to improve but how in the world you can improve if you're changing your line-up every game? Playing Gattuso is another mystery which needs to be solved.
But IMO the most important thing is to play Antonini and Zambrotta in FB positions. all other options there are completely useless.
I also agree on playing Pirlo in front of two defensive midfielders. He can be more like Sneider that way.
Bad idea. Boateng is our only runner who joins the attack line very well. So he can use Ronaldinho's long balls like he did against Auxerre. Playing him next to Ronaldinho will neutralize this threat. And the only positive thing about Seedorf right now is that he has good chemistry with Ronnie IMO.
Anyway if Boateng plays in midfield he runs around the pitch very well, but Allegri must play him in HIS position.
Posted by: d'Arc.LP Sep 25 2010, 08:35 AM
Allegri's Press Conference.
He said that he wont play Pirlo and Seedorf together. And he said that IF Pirlo is injured Seedorf will replace him. So this means that Pirlo will be first choice. He also said that Robinho can't play for 90 minutes but he can start so this means he will start but can be replaced in the second half.
Posted by: Bluesummers Sep 25 2010, 09:43 AM
Good news to hear.
So tomorrow he'll play:
-Boateng-pirlo-flaimin
-robinho-ibra-dinho
We'll see if it works with binho.
Posted by: William405 Sep 25 2010, 09:54 AM
He said that he wont play Pirlo and Seedorf together. And he said that IF Pirlo is injured Seedorf will replace him. So this means that Pirlo will be first choice. He also said that Robinho can't play for 90 minutes but he can start so this means he will start but can be replaced in the second half.
That's great news.So Boateng won't play on the wings,that's were robinho will be,and seedorf won't play.And I'm betting he will start Flamini over gattuso because of the praises he allegri gave to flamini in the pre season.And ofcourse Boateng will start so we may see an awesome midfeild today.
Posted by: Bluesummers Sep 25 2010, 10:05 AM
I wouldn't say awesome quite yet. I'd say we'd have a functioning midfield as so far ambrosini, gattuso and seedorf have been shocking.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Sep 25 2010, 11:25 AM
Allegri needs to get his head out of his @ss right now or our season will be over before it started! I defended him up to the moment he started pulling this cr@p on us. What was the point of getting rid of Leo if we're still swimming in the same pile of cr@p?!
EDIT. R7 this is not directed at you. I'm just venting at the current situation we find ourselves in
Well Robinho has not had any preseason training with City prior to his move here. While our players have had a good month's work before the start of the season. By saying that, Robinho can still play, just not for more than a half.
I'm telling you, after Ancelotti you will be venting a lot; the standard has been raised
Posted by: Zed.D Sep 25 2010, 11:55 AM
That midfield belongs in an effing museum. seriously.
I don't mind the 4-3-3 as this is the only way ronnie can play and i dont want to see him on the bench.
A good line up for me would be:
-------------------Abbiati------------------
Zambrotta----Nesta----Silva----Antonini
-----Flamini------Pirlo------Boateng------
Robinho-----------Zlatan----------Ronnie
I agree we need a change, but with the right players then the 4-3-3 can still work, especially with a hard working midfield that can still pass a ball. I would like to see boateng playing on ronnie's side, i think they would link up well together and ronnie will appreciate his energy and use of space, unlike slowdorf (who i think is killing ronnie's spirit)
Agreed 1899%.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 25 2010, 12:19 PM
I'm telling you, after Ancelotti you will be venting a lot; the standard has been raised
Oh Carlo made me vent twice as much
With the stupid xmas tree
Seedorf--Kaka
Pippo
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Sep 25 2010, 12:34 PM
With the stupid xmas tree
Seedorf--Kaka
Pippo
Wasn't that stupid xmas tree that won you the 2007 champions league ? Oh but who cares, we are playing the 4-3-3 with immense success now, we will win twice as much
Posted by: han2503 Sep 25 2010, 12:52 PM
It worked well in a total of 3 games in the CL ( Man U home and Away, Bayern Away) It was a disaster in the league and we could barely get past Celtic in the last 16. I wouldn't call that a successful system...
Imo our best formation was the 4-3-1-2 under Carlo, that was a system that worked for us. Now we really don't have the players to play it anymore, 4-3-3 imo is our best option, but when it's impossible to play it because we have injured players I don't want to see it used.
Posted by: agenth Sep 25 2010, 12:55 PM
Imo our best formation was the 4-3-1-2 under Carlo, that was a system that worked for us. Now we really don't have the players to play it anymore, 4-3-3 imo is our best option, but when it's impossible to play it because we have injured players I don't want to see it used.
why don't we have the players for 4-3-1-2 anymore?
the only exception is, that Ronnie only loves 4-3-3
which the other 10 players obviously don't like.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 25 2010, 01:42 PM
the only exception is, that Ronnie only loves 4-3-3
which the other 10 players obviously don't like.
I don't think it's Ronnie's fault that the coach is too afraid to move him there. Not because Ronnie doesn't like it, imo he can play even better in the center since these days his passing is the most effective part of his play. But Leo and now Allegri are afraid of what would happen should they move him, if it's a failure Silvio will instantly start breathing down his neck because he is adamant about Dinho being a forward
If the coach is not willing to try and invest time in playing Ronnie in the hole behind the strikers then, no, we don't have the players for it.
The 4-3-3 is obviosuly not working but for some reason Alleri is going to keep insisting on it, Dinho is already being wasted where he is imo, usually he's shut out for most of the game because of the heavy marking he's under
Posted by: Coldest Sep 25 2010, 02:07 PM
I think we should give last chance for 4-3-3 formation before thinking about something else. We should play Ronnie, Robbie (in Pato's position) and Ibra, from the start and see what happens, and if it doesn't work out then have nothing to do, but giving it up.
Posted by: acid911 Sep 25 2010, 02:24 PM
Agree with Coldest. 
Even though I would stir things up this match and go with something different, I think the coach will stick with the 4-3-3 for a match or two at least, that is saying if the results don't come.
Posted by: Coldest Sep 25 2010, 03:03 PM
Date: 25 September 2010, Sunday
When does Milan play ??? Tomorrow or today ?
Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 25 2010, 03:08 PM
When does Milan play ??? Tomorrow or today ?
Today, I believe it starts in less than 2 hours.
Posted by: d'Arc.LP Sep 25 2010, 03:11 PM
When does Milan play ??? Tomorrow or today ?
It's today. But the pirate is still learning english.
http://www.acmilan.com/LM_Match.aspx?idIncontro=3275 for more info
Posted by: RinoIlCapitano Sep 25 2010, 03:18 PM
it looks like we will start with binho on the wing and rino and KBP alongside pirlo, so not so bad, but i prefer flamini over gatuso but the system is the same, one DM (rino) and one box2box(KBP) and pirlo in the regista position , it would be better if flamini would play but the system is ok , i think the better so far.
Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 25 2010, 03:24 PM
I thought Seedorf might play instead of Pirlo? Though it isn't sure. Anyway, but you are right. The midfield is in balance. A DM (Gattuso - Flamini probably isn't match fit), a playmaker (Seedorf or Pirlo), and Kevin-Prince Boateng.
Unlike previous matches our midfield and attack seems okay. Ronaldinho, Ibrahimovic and Robinho hopefully all can start.
edit: ah, it now is indeed Pirlo instead of Seedorf
Posted by: acid911 Sep 25 2010, 03:33 PM
Na, his English is very good, he probably had an overdose of rum.
But yeah, the match is about to start in a few hours time. As much as I love seeing the team play twice a week, it surely must be taxing on the players. Still, I just need them to win today - don't care how, just win.Posted by: RinoIlCapitano Sep 25 2010, 03:54 PM
Unlike previous matches our midfield and attack seems okay. Ronaldinho, Ibrahimovic and Robinho hopefully all can start.
edit: ah, it now is indeed Pirlo instead of Seedorf
exactly
Posted by: han2503 Sep 25 2010, 04:20 PM
Why is Abate playing instead of Zambro??
And Rino over Flamini? Not a good decision, we need to get these player's match fitness to 100% as fast as possible, that can only be done through playing games. Rino starting over Flamini in just plain idiotic
Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 25 2010, 04:30 PM
And Rino over Flamini? Not a good decision, we need to get these player's match fitness to 100% as fast as possible, that can only be done through playing games. Rino starting over Flamini in just plain idiotic
Or maybe Flamini isn't match fit or so, and Zambrotta is being rested for the CL match?
Posted by: d'Arc.LP Sep 25 2010, 04:37 PM
And Rino over Flamini? Not a good decision, we need to get these player's match fitness to 100% as fast as possible, that can only be done through playing games. Rino starting over Flamini in just plain idiotic
Not how I expected, but it's good enough to beat Genoa.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 25 2010, 04:56 PM
I don't think this is the time to be resting players... We need the points badly. If Nesta, Pirlo and Seedorf can handle playing more then once a week, then I'm sure Zambro has no problem with it either.
Flamini played well last Wednesday, the only way he'll gain fitness is through playing. We need him for Ajax, we can't afford to start that game with Rino
Posted by: Coldest Sep 25 2010, 04:59 PM
Let's Samba !!!
Posted by: Coldest Sep 25 2010, 05:02 PM
My stream has no commentators... So weird.
Posted by: servbot Sep 25 2010, 05:04 PM
Mine either. So far kind of liking it this way.
Good aggressive start so far.
Posted by: RinoIlCapitano Sep 25 2010, 05:09 PM
better start than other matches!!!
Posted by: servbot Sep 25 2010, 05:16 PM
The announcer came on.
Posted by: RinoIlCapitano Sep 25 2010, 05:16 PM
pirlo is so bad, he is not defending at al
Posted by: han2503 Sep 25 2010, 05:19 PM
I think we're playing more of a 4-3-1-2 then 4-3-3...
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 25 2010, 05:22 PM
As good as he can be on the ball, he really hurts the team when we don't have the ball. A 3 man midfield with a naturally attacking player like KPB and somebody is immobile as Pirlo is a bit of a risk.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 25 2010, 05:25 PM
Rino actually looking like one of our better players today...
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 25 2010, 05:26 PM
Nice play from Ronnie and Rino.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 25 2010, 05:26 PM
Ohhh, Rino should have pulled that back..
Posted by: servbot Sep 25 2010, 05:27 PM
Gattuso attacking the net! Good effort!
Posted by: han2503 Sep 25 2010, 05:28 PM
btw, where is everyone?
Posted by: han2503 Sep 25 2010, 05:32 PM
Wow 2 players constantly on Dinho, pushing and kicking him...
Posted by: HasanHasanly Sep 25 2010, 05:33 PM
Rino is gonna have a heart attack soon.
Posted by: Coldest Sep 25 2010, 05:33 PM
What's wrong with Dinho ?
Posted by: han2503 Sep 25 2010, 05:34 PM
He's working hard though, amazing first half so far.
He's very tightly marked, as soon as he has the ball he has 2 players on him
Posted by: han2503 Sep 25 2010, 05:36 PM
Pirlo yellowed, he's trying to get suspended for the next game
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 25 2010, 05:41 PM
On the piss probably, bloody drunks!
Posted by: HasanHasanly Sep 25 2010, 05:41 PM
Antonini
Posted by: han2503 Sep 25 2010, 05:43 PM
I really hate the relaxed attitude our team shows. With the wa they play you;d think they were 4 up and on top of the league table
Posted by: han2503 Sep 25 2010, 05:44 PM
Boateng! So close
Posted by: servbot Sep 25 2010, 05:44 PM
Boateng and Rino are the only ones showing any attitude. And also the only two with shots on net...
Posted by: han2503 Sep 25 2010, 05:45 PM
Oh my, giving them so many chances
Posted by: servbot Sep 25 2010, 05:45 PM
what the hell is Abate leaving his man for on that cross?!?
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 25 2010, 05:45 PM
Great save, that should've been us 1-0 down.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 25 2010, 05:48 PM
What do you expect from a winger?
---
First 45 minutes of boring torture over. Milan's matches start to be not worth watching. Idealess, full of mistakes by Ibra and Pirlo especially, slow and predictable.
Posted by: RinoIlCapitano Sep 25 2010, 05:49 PM
HT bad performance, pirlo is nowhere , he is bad and he is killing ronnie and ibra, binho clearly out of form but he is trying and running a lot. Seedorf 4 pirlo, maybe clarence is in better mood!
Posted by: Dracoris Sep 25 2010, 05:50 PM
Seedorf for Pirlo maybe?
I have no idea how to reinvigorate this team right now. Maybe Odu for Dinho. Dinho can't move without getting double teamed and we're failing to take advantage of them risking that. Might as well just pull him.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 25 2010, 05:52 PM
This is leading us to nowhere. I remember 2 years ago you guys used to say Ancelotti is headed nowhere. Well, I must admit, I haven't seen a direction-less Milan like this one for quite some time. Carletto and Leo at least managed to surprise us (especially against Lazio) with a stunner.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 25 2010, 05:54 PM
Who the hell is Odu?
Milan should dropp the 4-3-3 at once. It isn't working, it's killing the ceativity our players have.
Posted by: elcordobez Sep 25 2010, 05:54 PM
The attack sure is bad if Gattuso is looking like the best going forward.There have been 2 or 3 solid attacking buildups but the final ball is terrible,those passes are worthy of pre-season standard.
You can tell the players are getting frustrated with each other,R80 arguing with Antonini early on etc...there's no understanding going forward we're still lobbing up these hopeful long balls to....ROBINHO
Posted by: Dracoris Sep 25 2010, 05:58 PM
Milan should dropp the 4-3-3 at once. It isn't working, it's killing the ceativity our players have.
Oduamandi?
?
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 25 2010, 06:01 PM
Oh, I see. All the nicknames confuse me sometimes.
If this ends 0-0, Milan will have 6 points out of 5 matches.
Posted by: Dracoris Sep 25 2010, 06:03 PM
If this ends 0-0, Milan will have 6 points out of 5 matches.
haha
Posted by: acid911 Sep 25 2010, 06:06 PM
Why is it that whenever I watch a Milan match on Live TV, the team decides to take a piss. Maybe I should stick to internet streams. Damn you Ten Sports, maybe you should be showing other Serie A matches. Bah!
EDIT: And just as I write this, Ibra scores! Scorching shot that from out of the box!
Posted by: elcordobez Sep 25 2010, 06:07 PM
IBRA !!! HAHAHAHAHA OUT OF NOTHING
Posted by: Dracoris Sep 25 2010, 06:07 PM
Pure class. Nice assist from Pirlo.
Posted by: elcordobez Sep 25 2010, 06:08 PM
OK FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DON'T SIT ON 1 - 0 pleeease
kthx
Posted by: RinoIlCapitano Sep 25 2010, 06:08 PM
IBRACADABRAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: HasanHasanly Sep 25 2010, 06:10 PM
Robinho hasn't really settled in, has he now?
Posted by: elcordobez Sep 25 2010, 06:16 PM
Should take Pirlo off before he gets sent off lol...
Posted by: han2503 Sep 25 2010, 06:18 PM
Well he's finally not looking like a Zombie
Posted by: RinoIlCapitano Sep 25 2010, 06:19 PM
he finally woke up a bit
Posted by: elcordobez Sep 25 2010, 06:20 PM
Yeh ikno just saying after that foul.
He's walking a tight rope
Posted by: han2503 Sep 25 2010, 06:23 PM
Flamini for Rino, good move. Rino was losing a lot of his effect on the game
Posted by: RinoIlCapitano Sep 25 2010, 06:23 PM
Mad dog 4 rino, nice game by rino, he has been everywhere!
Posted by: han2503 Sep 25 2010, 06:28 PM
Seedorf for Ronni
He should have taken off Pirlo imo, before he dies out there
Posted by: RinoIlCapitano Sep 25 2010, 06:29 PM
seedorf 4 ronnie, ronnie was well covered all the match but this wasn/t one of his best performances!
Posted by: elcordobez Sep 25 2010, 06:29 PM
Ronnie off for seedorf!?
4312?
great we're dropping off again,watch them equalize
Posted by: han2503 Sep 25 2010, 06:38 PM
Oh Robinho! So close! Off the line
Posted by: Portman Sep 25 2010, 06:40 PM
Why the f didn't Flamini give the ball to Ibra? HE WAS ALONE! Gee, these frenchies...
Posted by: Portman Sep 25 2010, 06:46 PM
OMG FLAMINI AGAIN.
WHAT A MISS, GEEZ. This guy SHOULD PAY to be playing alongside of the likes of Ibra or Robinho.
Posted by: elcordobez Sep 25 2010, 06:47 PM
LOL
what does Flamini have against Ibra?
that's twice but the second one he had a claim to shoot
Posted by: acid911 Sep 25 2010, 06:48 PM
True, that second chance was criminal from Flamini. Let's hope we don't concede in the last 3 minute of injury time.
Posted by: RinoIlCapitano Sep 25 2010, 06:50 PM
a much better second half, we woke up and win a game, we even had some decent chances and a very well 3 points and very much needed! Nice one! Now, lets start the rush!
Posted by: han2503 Sep 25 2010, 06:50 PM
Finally! 3 points
Posted by: Dracoris Sep 25 2010, 06:52 PM
Nice finish, but I would like to see more from this team. I wish we played wednesday instead of Tuesday.
Posted by: elcordobez Sep 25 2010, 06:52 PM
YES !
ok no more 433 please 4312 from now on,we looked so much better when our attackers are actually close to each other and can link up properly.
Posted by: amancik Sep 25 2010, 06:56 PM
ok no more 433 please 4312 from now on,we looked so much better when our attackers are actually close to each other and can link up properly.
I agree 4-3-3 is a terrible formation for Milan because we don't have the legs to move around that quickly anymore.
Posted by: acid911 Sep 25 2010, 06:57 PM
Jeez, just 109 replies to this match thread. What is the world (of Milanfan) coming to? Where art thou people? On the flipside, we won. A weak win, but 3 points nonetheless. Let's see if this continues.
Posted by: elcordobez Sep 25 2010, 07:00 PM
What is the world (of Milanfan) coming to? Where art thou people? On the flipside, we won. A weak win, but 3 points nonetheless. Let's see if this continues.If we change formation it might,at the end when Seedorf Ibra and Binho were actually doing the triangles it looked a lot better,sure Genoa were tired and bad but still better than the first half where we're relying on one killer through ball for Ibra to latch on to.
oh btw Robinho....NOT FIT?! What was all that about he ran for 90mins
Posted by: han2503 Sep 25 2010, 07:00 PM
Ok performace, but the win shouldn't hide the problems that we still saw in the team today. Some terrible marking in defence when it came to high balls, everyone in the first half was so relaxed and chilled out, you'd think they were winning by some 4-0 scoreline, all that they needed to complete the look was a mixed drink in one of their hands as they played
I want to see something much better against Ajax, simply because I can't see us winning with this type of performance and attitude.
As for Flamini, he played well, the first chance he had he should have really passed to Ibra, but I guess he wanted to come back in with a bang, the 2nd he should have done better, but for someone who's just getting back on track after injury you can't really fault him for not being so sharp, especially when it comes to scoring when that's not really one of his strong suites.
Pirlo reall impressed me in the 2nd half, after a terrible 1st. But Allegri should have really taken him off, he can't keep going like this, and now after the relentless schedule, while the others are all moslty on break, Pirlo has to play another 2 matches in a week for Italy.
I think all our regulars are just mentally and physically exhausted, Dinho, Ibra, Antonini, Nesta, Thiago, Pirlo, Seedorf, all just need a full week's rest but until the International break comes, I can't see it happening and for some of them they won't even get that because they have to play for their NTs
Posted by: han2503 Sep 25 2010, 07:03 PM
What is the world (of Milanfan) coming to? Where art thou people? On the flipside, we won. A weak win, but 3 points nonetheless. Let's see if this continues.I think some didn't know the time of the game, probably thought it was the late kick-off
oh btw Robinho....NOT FIT?! What was all that about he ran for 90mins
I think it had more to do with match fitness rather then physical fitness in general. Also Robinho looked a 1000 times better when he was moved to the left.
I vote for a solid 4-3-1-2 against Ajax with Dinho in behind Robinho and Ibra. This imo is currently our best set-up
Posted by: acid911 Sep 25 2010, 07:08 PM
True, could be the timing, usually the match threads are bustling with members during a match. And yes, I agree with the couple of posts above. A win, but that doesn't hide the glaring cracks in the team. inter we are not. More work is needed in the coming weeks, and for the sake of us fans, let's hope Allegri and the squad is up for it.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 25 2010, 07:15 PM
And yes, I agree with the couple of posts above. A win, but that doesn't hide the glaring cracks in the team. inter we are not. More work is needed in the coming weeks, and for the sake of us fans, let's hope Allegri and the squad is up for it.The 3 pts will undoubtedly take off some of the pressure that was on the players and coach, but a lot more work needs to be done, the fact that we're mostly scoring through moments of brilliance by Ibra is just not encouraging at all. I'm happy that Ibra is doing so well, but it worries me that the team is just not creating enough good chances for the other attackers, and chances that can be called 'easy' instead of like the ones Ibra has been scoring
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 25 2010, 07:18 PM
So, Milan managed to win, in anemic fashion and thanks to a even more dispassionate Genoa. Here are some comments and ratings:
1) Passing. Milan's passing is terrible at this moment. More then 50% of the attacks end up with an out or lost possesion. Yes, it can be fixed, Milan needs time to gel. But the effect is even more augmented with Milan's long passing which is inefficient (yes, I know, we scored this time from a long ball, but it was pure luck). We have to start play fluently and implement more possesion directed wise build-up.
2) Attacking. Milan still does not have a normal attacking sheme. Allegri needs to start deciding how his attacks will be created and how Milan will play. This is connected to the formation he implements: after a few tryouts, the 4-3-3 should be wether dropped, or players like Pirlo, Seedorf and Ronaldinh should be crossed off as first team players.
3) Motivation. A big problem which puts Milan in peril. Nowdays you can get the feeling Milan moves to a similar trap Inter got lost for years. Their mental strenghtening lasted almost a decade and was triggered almost accidentaly, with help of the Calciopoli mess. Milan could easily start falling in the same letargy - which in the end means years and years trophyless, numerous players in and out, numerous tacticall interventions and coaches, etc.
Ratings:
Abbiati - 7.5 - very good match by the Milan keeper, who did everything right.
Antonini - 7 - had some trouble with Palacios who managed to get past him a few times, but as the game went further he started to look more and more confortable. Still, what misses is some offensive skilles.
Thiago Silva - 7 - good working match. Only made slight positioning and blocking errors.
Nesta - 7 - no mistakes, very good match.
Abate - 7 - as good as it gets. Worked hard in the defensive part, also made some usefull runs.
Pirlo - 6.5 - indolent and nervous first half with numerous misplaced passings and lost balls. Only the lucky assist and another good build-up are worth mention.
Gattuso - 7.5 - probably Milan's best player, worked hard both in attack and defense. Had one good chance, few balls won and a great tackle.
Boateng - 6 - a bit nervous, but his strenght and will to fight give Milan a important addition.
Ronaldinho - 5.5 - tried to look with engagement this time but again only produced a dim performance. He should be dropped for the next match.
Robinho - 6.5 - worked more then Ronaldinho, got involved in more serious chances to score. As soon as Ronaldinho left, Robinho tuned in with Ibrahimovic and pulled off some extra stuff.
Ibrahimovic - 7 - very passive and bad first half, and a good second half that culminated with Milan's winning goal.
subs:
Flamini - 5.5 - involved in two great chances to finish Genoa off, made two wrong decisions. In the first oppotunity too much selfishness, in the second a clear goal missed.
Seedorf - 6.5 - replaced Ronaldinho and managed to force a faster and rational build-up. Solid performance.
Posted by: Boban10 Sep 25 2010, 07:21 PM
4-3-3 just isnt working, it can be painfull to watch at times. Front 3 get isolated from each other and double teamed, ball goes back. Need to play with two up.
Plus points Robinho was good, needs more matches and time, but was mobile, interested and willing. Good to see Flamini back, Rino had a good game.
I thought Pirlo was a walking corpse, poor guy needs a rest.
I have a heart attack every time i see abate's name at right back, and none of our team at all can cross a ball its unbelievable!
Hoping for 4-3-1-2 against Ajax.
Posted by: Portman Sep 25 2010, 07:24 PM
Ibrahimovic is terrible on 433. Also, we don't have proper wingers with pace. Just Robinho. Pato is not a player for those positions and Ronaldinho is past his best.
4-1-3-2. 4-3-1-2. X-mas tree. Whatever, anything but 433.
Posted by: acid911 Sep 25 2010, 07:24 PM
7.5 for Abbiati for almost letting in that own goal? Other than that freak moment, he was quite solid, gotta give him that. Plus saved our collective behind at least two times. But surely he did not do everything right. Seems a bit low on confidence, I can only hope that some good time between the posts will inject much needed confidence in him.
Posted by: acid911 Sep 25 2010, 07:31 PM
Word.
Anything but 4-3-3. Not sure if we'll be seeing it anytime soon, though. Allegri seems to stick with this, and if we keep winning (ugly) against small teams with individual brilliance, then he probably won't make the change.
Posted by: d'Arc.LP Sep 25 2010, 07:56 PM
In fact we can play 4-3-3 but not with Ronaldinho in the game.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 25 2010, 08:03 PM
The only reason we play 4-3-3 is because of Ronaldinho...
Ronaldinho needs to be moved to the center. He's just way to isolated playing that winger position. Most teams know that in order to stop the good balls going into our box you need to stop Dinho, thus they throw in 2 markers on him and he's out of it. Everytime he recieves the ball he's instantly closed down, thus can't make a good cross or cut inside like he usually did last season.
Moving him behind the strikers will enable us to utilise his best quality, which is his killer passes in ristricted spaces.
Allegri needs to drop that 4-3-3, even when Pato is back, a 2 striker system will get the best out of all of our atacking players, who are currently being wasted
Also a 4-3-1-2 with Ronnie behind the strikers wouldn't leve our 3 man midfield so exposed all the time, which is a big problem
Posted by: Boban10 Sep 25 2010, 08:27 PM
Ronaldinho needs to be moved to the center. He's just way to isolated playing that winger position. Most teams know that in order to stop the good balls going into our box you need to stop Dinho, thus they throw in 2 markers on him and he's out of it. Everytime he recieves the ball he's instantly closed down, thus can't make a good cross or cut inside like he usually did last season.
Moving him behind the strikers will enable us to utilise his best quality, which is his killer passes in ristricted spaces.
Allegri needs to drop that 4-3-3, even when Pato is back, a 2 striker system will get the best out of all of our atacking players, who are currently being wasted
Also a 4-3-1-2 with Ronnie behind the strikers wouldn't leve our 3 man midfield so exposed all the time, which is a big problem
Agreed 100%
Posted by: d'Arc.LP Sep 25 2010, 08:28 PM
Ronaldinho needs to be moved to the center. He's just way to isolated playing that winger position. Most teams know that in order to stop the good balls going into our box you need to stop Dinho, thus they throw in 2 markers on him and he's out of it. Everytime he recieves the ball he's instantly closed down, thus can't make a good cross or cut inside like he usually did last season.
Moving him behind the strikers will enable us to utilise his best quality, which is his killer passes in ristricted spaces.
Allegri needs to drop that 4-3-3, even when Pato is back, a 2 striker system will get the best out of all of our atacking players, who are currently being wasted
Also a 4-3-1-2 with Ronnie behind the strikers wouldn't leve our 3 man midfield so exposed all the time, which is a big problem
A 4-3-3 with Robinho - Ibrahimovic - Pato in attack wouldn't be bad at all. Robinho was very good in LW possition.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 25 2010, 08:30 PM
Non of them can really create opportunities though. And we need creativity in that attack, and the best way to get that would be to play Ronaldinho behind the 2 strikers
Posted by: acid911 Sep 25 2010, 08:47 PM
Han's got a point. Now whether Mr. B, Allergi, and the man himself, Ronaldinho, understand this is another matter entirely. I never quite got this R80 obsession of attacking through the left. The player of his caliber should be able to create anything from anywhere on the pitch, anytime. Not confine himself to the comfort zone of the left side.
Besides, attacking from the center will give him much more options to pass the ball.
Posted by: Bluesummers Sep 25 2010, 08:49 PM
what a sh*tty match. Only 4 more matches to go until we drop the 433
Posted by: d'Arc.LP Sep 25 2010, 08:53 PM
I was first to say that we should play 4-3-1-2 and then 4-3-2-1. I never was the biggest fan of 4-3-3 but after seeing Robinho's performance, I thought, why not ?
Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 25 2010, 08:54 PM
I can't remember Ronaldinho playing good behind 2 strikers, and even worse: this season Ronaldinho doesn't play well at all.
Robinho, Ibrahimovic and Pato as forward I would prefer to. Robinho and Ibrahimovic can create, so I disagree.
Posted by: Bluesummers Sep 25 2010, 09:18 PM
Robinho can play in the Treq role. He did for some games in santos and he has for brazil when kaka wasn't there.
Posted by: Linkman Sep 25 2010, 09:22 PM
Couldn't make it to this game...
See guys, playing Ronnie behind two strikers can in fact work, but there's one thing he needs: alternatives. If he's alone behind Ibra and Pato/Robinho, both of the strikers will be marked and Ronnie himself will be double marked. And then what will he do? He'll pass the ball back, so to not lose it.
For such a system to work, we need:
1. Fullbacks actually going forward! Ronaldinho would need people going up the wings, so as to have passing options. When our wingbacks go forward, they attract at least one marker, which already eases the pressure on both the forwards and the trequartista. Furthermore, having the wingback get the ball next to the box forces all the defenders to turn from their mark, so as to face the ball and be able to head the cross away. THAT's why you need fullbacks to actually reach the backline rather than just crossing at three-quarters of the pitch (I'm looking at you Abate, Beckham, Bonera...)
2. A dynamic midfield. Dinho will be double marked, on the wing, or on the center. He can work if and only if he can lay off the ball with his midfield, move, and receive it back unmarked. He manages this with Antonini and Seedorf currently (really, Antonini is our left back, but how many times have you seen him cross? He's there just to be Dinho's lay-off.) This could work with Boateng being behind Dinho and moving next to him on the attack, with Flam/Rino staying behind with Pirlo (making us a 4-2-2-2 when attacking), and Boateng going back when we're defending (making us a 4-3-1-2).
Seeing as the 4-3-3 isn't quite working, I don't think it'd hurt to try this out. But we lack the fullbacks (Zambro and Antonini are good, but the back-ups aren't), and without Boateng I couldn't quite see this working.
Anywho. I'm glad we won today.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 25 2010, 09:23 PM
Robinho, Ibrahimovic and Pato as forward I would prefer to. Robinho and Ibrahimovic can create, so I disagree.
Not the way Ronaldinho does, non of them can provide a killer through ball, and what do we want a player like Ibra to be doing? Scoring goals or trying to create chances? Robinho is a dribbler he creates chances by cutting in from the wings and either driving it in or going for the goal himself. Sure both can do their little back flicks that work out on accasion but non of them can offer what Dinho can.
And who says that Ronnie can't play behind the 2 strikers? because he always used to play on the left for Barca? He was younger then and a lot faster, his passing is still second to non and having him constantly stuck on the left wing is not benefitting anyone. Neither the player nor the team.
Look at the recent games when Ronnie popped up in the center and he had Zlatan running diagonally ahead of him, and today when he had both Zlatan and Robinho ahead of him, while when went to the left, he got marked out, simply because other team know that if they nullify him on that left side then we're done for.
Against Ajax I want to see this formation and line-up
Flamini--Pirlo--Boateng
Dinho
Zlatan--Robinho
And I'm 100% sure that we'll see a Milan that is a 100 times better then the mess we saw today
Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 25 2010, 10:03 PM
When Pato plays both.
As long as Ronaldinho doesn't contribute as much as Robinho does, Robinho should be preferred. They need to defend as a team. You simply completely ignore the defending part.
And also, we play better without him nowadays since he plays awfully bad at the moment.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 25 2010, 10:11 PM
I can't agree on that assumption. Robinho and Pato primarily score and that's what they should do. I don't think Pato can play a right wing, it would be a waste of talent.
I do agree with han, we should try Ronaldinho as a classic central AM, and Robinho should IMO play what Serginho sometimes used to play, a fast link between our offensive midfield and our striker (Ibrahimovic/Inzaghi). Let's foget for a moment about Pato, he's still injured.
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 25 2010, 10:16 PM
I was at the stadium today, pretty nice atmosphere though it was freaking cold.
The first half was a disaster, from both teams, though Genoa seemed more concrete and could have scored if Palacio didn't hit the post. We came over in the second half, but mostly because of Ibra's goal which made Genoa go forward and leave spaces behind, spaces which we couldn't take advantage of because Flamini forgot his eyes in the dressing room.
Gattuso was great, the whole stadium gave him a proper standing-ovation when he came off. Robinho is not 100% yet, but he showed great willingness and some nice skills. Dinho was once again unwatchable, especially when he tried those one-on-one's and miserably failed them all. I'd rather play Seedorf than him. They're both bums, but at least with Seedorf we could pass to 4-3-1-2. Abate impressed me more than anyone else, he literally closed down every single run Genoa had on our right side. Bravo Ignazio!
All in all, we didn't play a bad game but we still have a long way to go.
Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 25 2010, 10:25 PM
Robinho can do more than that. Pato shouldn't play as RW.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 25 2010, 11:39 PM
You're making Robinho into something he's not. He won't give us what we need if he's played behind the strikers. Again, it's another scenario where we're wasting a player for the hell of it. Just like we're currently wasting Pato, Pirlo and Dinho to an extent
Ronaldinho and Pirlo are our only players that can really make that final delivery. Seedorf? Sure he had some nice moves today but he lost the ball multiple times as well. I'm not saying Ronaldinho and Pirlo didn't but Seedorf is just not a player that I call an AM. He mostly passes backwards.
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 26 2010, 12:07 AM
I don't think there's much of a difference between Ronaldinho and Seedorf in terms of performance. They're both bums, they like losing balls and invent stuff. Dinho has a greater field of vision, whilst Seedorf gets involved more in team-work. Between the two, I'd choose Seedorf, because that way we could play a 4-3-1-2 system. Moreover, even when he plays like crap, Seedorf doesn't tend to disappear in the game like Dinho usually does 75% of the time.
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Sep 26 2010, 12:38 AM
All in all, we didn't play a bad game but we still have a long way to go.
+1
And yes, I must admit I found that Abate stood out pretty well. I would give him an 8.
(...despite having a blunder header in the box in the eighty something-th minute - I will disregard that because it wasn't made a meal of by the other team today, instead it was quickly cleared to safety by his teammate
)And also agreed that we didn't have a bad game - but we should be doing much better.
We are taking far to long to get into the game. Taking forever to actually create with goal potential, once we do get the goal we usually begin to play better, although I still think we're lacking the ability to play ruthless and close off the game, trying to absorb the pressure - which as we know it backfires many a times.
Anyway Forza Milan <...See Sig.>
EDIT: Oh and yes I forgot to mention I also found Gattuso played well.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 26 2010, 01:39 AM
See, this is what I feared of. One good performance and clip...here we have it again, Abate our solid RB.
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Sep 26 2010, 04:01 AM
I assume you're speaking in a general sense, since I NEVER stated Abate was 'our solid RB'.
Posted by: elcordobez Sep 26 2010, 06:06 AM
Uncle Fester giving Allegri a tactical nudge
http://www.acmilan.com/NewsDetail.aspx?idNews=129846
Posted by: Bluesummers Sep 26 2010, 07:12 AM
Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 26 2010, 08:13 AM
+1
The guy just never gives any kind of credit to Abate even when he deserves it.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2010, 08:43 AM
I think that's complete BS. Dinho has had 2/3 bad games, and the reason for that is because he's constantly double marked, that's why he's losing the ball, and he's not currently in his best form but who on the team really is atm aside from a handful of players? The ball usually sticks to Dinho like glue, losing the ball and Dinho is not something I put in the same sentence.
When Seedorf is not on his game, which is 9 times out of 10 on most ccasions, he loses the ball, can't even cross a decent ball, barely bothers to jog let alone run and I find it hard to see where the team work you talk about is, since he's usually not even bothered to jog back down the pitch when we're getting counter attacked...
Your problem with Dinho is just that, you don't like him, so unless he's 100% on his game every time we play you want his head, if everyone thought that way about every player then none of the players on the team should be playing.
The guy just never gives any kind of credit to Abate even when he deserves it.
It's not about giving him credit. Ok he played well today, but just because he played well against a team who in all honesty was pretty poor, that doesn't hide the fact that once Abate faces some decent opposition on that right side, he's toast. And it does not mean that he should be playing at RB
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 26 2010, 09:12 AM
The guy just never gives any kind of credit to Abate even when he deserves it.
Really? Take a look at my ratings...and you can take that back in a moment.
I don't hate Abate, I just don't see him as an RB. What difference does it make if he managed to close down Genoa's left side when we all know he's not up to the task.
Sure, Abate could be a solid RB for Torino, Cesena or Brescia, teams who count on points against weaker opposition and close one eye when playing against the big teams. But that's not Milan.
Chill out, I don't hate anyone. Just that Abate isn't a RB; it's as simple as that.
Posted by: Bluesummers Sep 26 2010, 11:39 AM
Abate plays in one of the slowest developmental league in the world.
A league where the average age of players is around 28.
A league where the majority of players can maintain good form well into their mid 30s.
Abate is very talented because he is able to get playing time IN AC Milan, not parma, not genoa, not any other midtable team; but one of the best teams in the world at the age of 23.
Furthermore, he is able to get this time as a FB, which is huge considering he's had only 1 season of experience as a FB versus the 10 years of experience as a youth and young professional he's had as a winger.
I think he's done very well for himself. Defending isn't something that is grasped instantly. It can be taught only with experience. Don't compare abate to zambrotta and say he's not up to par. Some people are born with defending capabilities and some aren't.
Abate's strong suits are his power, pace and dribbling. Attributes like man marking, positioning, tackling are going to take time to develop.
Are you guys even willing to give the guy a chance at showing us what he can do, especially considering he's a player whose adapting to a position he's never player in and has had only 1 year of experience at a big club?
Cause if this is the way we treat players, then lets sell him and sokratis and splash the cash on well known fullbacks and defenders like Madrid and other clubs. Screw player development, the only thing we should see developing is our deficit statement.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2010, 01:38 PM
It's got nothing to do with player development blue, we all know the reason as to why Abate plays for a club like Milan, it's because there is not other alternative aside from Zambrotta who Allegri thinks cannot play more then once a week for some reason. That's the only reason as to why Abate gets minutes in this team as a RB. I have no problem playin him at RM when we can use a tactical re-shuffle, but playing him at RB against any side who has at least a half decent pacy winger on their left side would be suicide, simply because he's incapable of defending.
Zambrotta started out as a winger, then converted to a LB, but the defending capabalities were always there. Abata just doesn't have them.
Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 26 2010, 02:19 PM
I don't hate Abate, I just don't see him as an RB. What difference does it make if he managed to close down Genoa's left side when we all know he's not up to the task.
Sure, Abate could be a solid RB for Torino, Cesena or Brescia, teams who count on points against weaker opposition and close one eye when playing against the big teams. But that's not Milan.
Chill out, I don't hate anyone. Just that Abate isn't a RB; it's as simple as that.
I haven't seen your ratings until now. Abate is capable of playing as RB. I disagree with your last line. He is a RB.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2010, 03:42 PM
What makes you think that? The fact that he can't defend, doesn't know how to read a play or get back into position? Those are all the most important traits if you're playing anywhere in the back 4, sure he can run for hours on end but how is that going to help us when he's making terrible mistakes against a half decent team.
Abate is not a RB, he's a right midfielder. The fact that he's still played there after some of the mistakes he made last year is baffling to me. And in the long run it won't benifit either the team or him to be playing there, the more mistakes he makes in important moments the more his morale will drop, the worse he'll perform in any position he's played in.
I don't know what you have for players being played out of position, first Bonera, now Abate, you think both are more then good enough to play the position they are not meant to play. Both have caused us problems playing there, until we get a good RB I don't want to see anyone playing the position aside from Zambro if he's available
Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 26 2010, 03:54 PM
He can defend. I have seen him defending a lot of times. If RB isn't Abate's position, then he got no position at all.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 26 2010, 04:03 PM
now really...I mean...Eto'o also can defend, we've seen that one too. Does that mean he's a CB?Cause if this is the way we treat players, then lets sell him and sokratis and splash the cash on well known fullbacks and defenders like Madrid and other clubs. Screw player development, the only thing we should see developing is our deficit statement.
Abate plays not because he's a super-special talent, he plays because the alternative is a ageless Zambrotta. Again, it's very simple.
Who said anything about young players treatment? All I said, and I think han also agrees, that Abate is not meant to be a defending footballer, and further more, for the sake of his development it would be best to play him in the proper position.
But let's move on, this discussion is turning into a pointless one.
Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 26 2010, 04:10 PM
now really...I mean...Eto'o also can defend, we've seen that one too. Does that mean he's a CB?No. Abate is also not a CB. But I am sick of this discussion. IMO he is a right back, not as good as Zambrotta and Antonini, but he is an option for that position. But he better not play (ANYWHERE) in our first eleven in a tough game, because he is not that good player.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 26 2010, 04:13 PM
Which says alot, considering Zambrotta is a poor player.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2010, 04:23 PM
Zambrotta can still defend better then most of the overhyped FBs coming out of South America these days. Sure his attacking play has gone down a lot and he can't put in a decent cross anymore, but he's still a great defensive FB.
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 26 2010, 04:24 PM
When Seedorf is not on his game, which is 9 times out of 10 on most ccasions, he loses the ball, can't even cross a decent ball, barely bothers to jog let alone run and I find it hard to see where the team work you talk about is, since he's usually not even bothered to jog back down the pitch when we're getting counter attacked...
Your problem with Dinho is just that, you don't like him, so unless he's 100% on his game every time we play you want his head, if everyone thought that way about every player then none of the players on the team should be playing.
I'm watching a football program right now, they are literally murdering Dinho with critics. And I don't blame them. The issue is very simple: Dinho is a burden on this team. You can blabber all you want about it, it's something undisputed and the more you try to deny it, the more it makes me chuckle.
Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 26 2010, 04:35 PM
Han, Ronaldinho really is playing awful this season. Stop finding excuses. Easy to say X-Offender hates him, so it's BS that he is awful. We play better without him, because you know why? He doesn't contribute, he simply doesn't work enough in the team. Robinho works harder, just like Zlatan, both contribute in defending and actually move, both aren't doing nothing like Dinho.
Posted by: acid911 Sep 26 2010, 04:38 PM
Truth be told, none of our full backs are worthy of a team like Milan. All are at best, 2nd of 3rd choice at big clubs. Good backups, and that's that. A team of this caliber needs at least one world class FB either on the right or left. We have had those in the pasts, but currently our flanks are one of our weak points, just like the keeper position - decent but not spectacular.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 26 2010, 04:40 PM
My main gripe with Ronaldinho is how he slows the game down. You look at the best wide players, like Ronaldo, Messi, etc. and they just ran at their full back and try to do it as fast as they can. When Ronnie gets the ball, he'll stop it and then allow the opposing team to get back before he decides to do anything, it's bloody frustrating.
Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 26 2010, 04:42 PM
QFT
Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2010, 04:43 PM
Oh please just because a couple of pundits have an oppinion on the matter does not make it fact
The fact that you can't stand the guy just makes me shut out anything you have to say about him because it's simply not constructive.
Dinho has had 3 bad games, no one was complaining when he created all the goals against Auxerre and for the way he played against Lecce. The fact that the entire team seems to be off colour aside from a handful, yet you always pick on Dinho to criticise makes me chuckle
I always find myself defending the guy to you because I know that you don't like him. So I have this impulse. Even though I know he's not in form atm, but there are reasons as to why he's not performing well which you choose to ignore and say you would play, get this SEEDORF instead of him, just laughable.
Sorry but I can't take anything you say about Dinho seriously, because I know you're blinded by your dislike for the man
Doesn't Seedorf do the EXACT SAME THING?
Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2010, 04:46 PM
How do you know that we play better without him?
Fact is last season when he didn't play we were sh!t. The same thing would happen now. This is the same thing as the Pirlo argument that is always going around. We can talk all we want about how we'd better without him but at the first moment he gets injure and he can't play the entire team looks lost
Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 26 2010, 05:09 PM
Last match when he got subbed off, han.
Then stop replying to his Ronaldinho posts. Because now you did and you defend Ronaldinho at a moment he FULLY deserves criticism.
I hope we soon can play with Robinho, Pato and Ibrahimovic if Ronaldinho keeps 'playing' like this.
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 26 2010, 05:13 PM
The fact that you can't stand the guy just makes me shut out anything you have to say about him because it's simply not constructive.
Dinho has had 3 bad games, no one was complaining when he created all the goals against Auxerre and for the way he played against Lecce. The fact that the entire team seems to be off colour aside from a handful, yet you always pick on Dinho to criticise makes me chuckle
I always find myself defending the guy to you because I know that you don't like him. So I have this impulse. Even though I know he's not in form atm, but there are reasons as to why he's not performing well which you choose to ignore and say you would play, get this SEEDORF instead of him, just laughable.
Sorry but I can't take anything you say about Dinho seriously, because I know you're blinded by your dislike for the man
What makes you better than those pundits, may I ask? They are professional journalists, so as a matter of fact their opinions should count more than mine and yours put together. But that wasn't my point. My points was that so far Dinho has been unwatchable.
I'm blinded by my dislike? I don't dislike the man because he doesn't pay taxes or plays too much PlayStation, but because he's not that great of a player you make him out to be. He's a burden on this team, it's plain obvious to anyone. I was the first to praise his performance against Lecce, but stuff like that comes only once in 2-3 months from him, so what's the point in trying to rely on him really? In the end, he'll just let us down again.
Last season he played nearly every game because there were no alternatives, and Leo put his blind faith on the guy. But this season is different. We can play a variety of line-ups that do not count Dinho, thus either he will pull his head out of his butt and start playing football, or he'll just have to warm the bench like Oddo and Jankulovski.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2010, 05:14 PM
Then stop replying to his Ronaldinho posts. Because now you did and you defend Ronaldinho at a moment he FULLY deserves criticism.
I hope we soon can play with Robinho, Pato and Ibrahimovic if Ronaldinho keeps 'playing' like this.
I'm actually saying that he's not in form atm and not playing well
But the fact that he can't see that there are factors playing into it as well is what bugs me.And what's the point of this place if someone doesn't reply to another poster when he/she doesn't agree with what the other is posting? So if you say Abate is a RB, then everyone should not post even though there are many who completely disagree with what you're saying? Even when the topic has previously come up on a lot of other occasions?
Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2010, 05:20 PM
I'm blinded by my dislike? I don't dislike the man because he doesn't pay taxes or plays too much PlayStation, but because he's not that great of a player you make him out to be. He's a burden on this team, it's plain obvious to anyone. I was the first to praise his performance against Lecce, but stuff like that comes only once in 2-3 months from him, so what's the point in trying to rely on him really? In the end, he'll just let us down again.
Last season he played nearly every game because there were no alternatives, and Leo put his blind faith on the guy. But this season is different. We can play a variety of line-ups that do not count Dinho, thus either he will pull his head out of his butt and start playing football, or he'll just have to warm the bench like Oddo and Jankulovski.
I never said I was better. Please quote that for me. I said that those are oppinions of other people, it does not make them facts!
You have said on multiple occasions that you don't like him, and when I see you criticise him, the "Here we go again" bell rings in my head. Because there is 3/4 of this team who isn't playing well and you always single out Dinho. You say Dinho is a burden on this team, yet you want to play Seedorf instead of him, if that isn't bias I don't know what is!
Last season he played nearly every game because he was one of our best players. I can go into all that stats dribble but according to you that's BS...
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 26 2010, 05:28 PM
You have said on multiple occasions that you don't like him, and when I see you criticise him, the "Here we go again" bell rings in my head. Because there is 3/4 of this team who isn't playing well and you always single out Dinho. You say Dinho is a burden on this team, yet you want to play Seedorf instead of him, if that isn't bias I don't know what is!
Last season he played nearly every game because he was one of our best players. I can go into all that stats dribble but according to you that's BS...
No man, I don't single out Dinho only when the team plays bad. Last night we were not brilliant, but we didn't play badly either. Yet Dinho was one of our worst players on the field. And I think I made my point clear on why I would prefer Seedorf, so we could switch back to 4-3-1-2 again. Dinho doesn't only slow down our game, but he also "enforces" us to play his beloved 4-3-3. So in a way, his benefits translate into the team's detriments. That is not pretty.
Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 26 2010, 05:41 PM
But the fact that he can't see that there are factors playing into it as well is what bugs me.And what's the point of this place if someone doesn't reply to another poster when he/she doesn't agree with what the other is posting? So if you say Abate is a RB, then everyone should not post even though there are many who completely disagree with what you're saying? Even when the topic has previously come up on a lot of other occasions?
You don't understand. There is a difference between disagreeing with someone and not taking someone's opinion seriously.
Factors? Oh come on. Ronaldinho is our bottleneck. At least others try and preform better.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2010, 05:50 PM
Oh right Seedorf in behind the strikers solves that how? He slows down the game even more then Dnho, loses the ball more then him and he can't really play that position either, he couldn't play it in his twenties and he certainly can't play it now.
The reason we play the 4-3-3 is because Leo and now Allegri don't want to take the time to switch it. Dinho would be a far better solution then Seedorf playing behind the strikers. If you were talking about a VDV or Pastore, the I would agree with you completely. But Seedorf? Come on man!
Factors? Oh come on. Ronaldinho is our bottleneck. At least others try and preform better.
I'm still disagreeing with him like for example the Seedorf issue. And it's not about not taking someone's oppinion seriously, it's about knowing how someone's oppinion is biased and you can't accept that
Who is that? Seedorf, jogging around for 90 minutes? Ronaldinho is one of our only 2 creative players that can actually produce the final ball. I can see his faults, but until we bring someone in who is better and can do what he does then I can't see your arguments being valid about him.
Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 26 2010, 05:52 PM
You talking about how creative etc he is, of what he is capable of it, but if he doesn't preform like he should you can be talented like Zeus but still others will be a better option!
Better is when you PREFORM better IMO. He doesn't do that right now!
Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2010, 05:58 PM
Better is when you PREFORM better IMO. He doesn't do that right now!
He's had a total of 3 off games. And suddenly he's not good enough anymore. Yes his form is not good, but that's also connected with the ristricted position he's playing.
And again, who are you going to put in there that can actually do it? Robinho? Not an AM and can't play the position, you can say he's played there for Brazil all you want but that's not what he is and he won't do the job playing there. Ibra needs to be scoring goals, and Pato certainly isn't a creative player either. Seedorf? Please. He can barely keep up playing in the midfield, has adopted the habit of making some terrible passes and crosses as well. And likes to pass the ball backwards 99% of the time. There is a reason why the San Siro crowd usually get on his back faster then they get on anyone else's , he's a lathargic player, he can't be an AM.
Look at Ronaldinho when he got in behind Ibra and Robinho and that in itself supports what I'm saying.http://www.youtube.com/user/Maestr021Channel#p/u/8/8o6j2JuLbU8
Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 26 2010, 06:03 PM
And again, who are you going to put in there that can actually do it? Robinho? Not an AM and can't play the position, you can say he's played there for Brazil all you want but that's not what he is and he won't do the job playing there. Ibra needs to be scoring goals, and Pato certainly isn't a creative player either. Seedorf? Please. He can barely keep up playing in the midfield, has adopted the habit of making some terrible passes and crosses as well. And likes to pass the ball backwards 99% of the time. There is a reason why the San Siro crowd usually get on his back faster then they get anyone else's , he's a lathargic player, he can't be an AM.
That's a lot and surely if you notice he lack of really trying to contribute to the team like others do. And if Ronaldinho keeps doing this, then Seedorf indeed is a better option. And I fully disagree about Robinho. Robinho contributes more in defending than Ronaldinho, he works harder than Ronaldinho. Robinho comes closer to a midfielder than Ronaldinho who isn't a midfielder AT ALL.
But as long as Pato is out, I find it difficult to bench Ronaldinho, so I hope he preforms better. I would start him against Ajax, but hell I would sub him off damn early if he is doesn't contribute enough. Then I prefer even Primavera players like Verdi and Merkel. At least they will have a good work rate, and that is more important than talent.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Sep 26 2010, 06:12 PM
But as long as Pato is out, I find it difficult to bench Ronaldinho, so I hope he preforms better. I would start him against Ajax, but hell I would sub him off damn early if he is doesn't contribute enough. Then I prefer even Primavera players like Verdi and Merkel. At least they will have a good work rate, and that is more important than talent.
Sell Ronaldinho buy Lentini
Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2010, 06:20 PM
But as long as Pato is out, I find it difficult to bench Ronaldinho, so I hope he preforms better. I would start him against Ajax, but hell I would sub him off damn early if he is doesn't contribute enough. Then I prefer even Primavera players like Verdi and Merkel. At least they will have a good work rate, and that is more important than talent.
A lot of our players have been on a bad spell for months now and Dinho has 3 off games and it's a lot?
Robinho is a forward who does best when he starts from the left and cuts in. Seedorf helps the team? Against Catania for example when it was just Pirlo and Boateng trying to run back but Seedorf is jogging around near the opposition's box? How is that helping the team? I cna't believe we're really discussing this, Seedorf has been awful for nearly every game this season, yet he came on yesterday, made some bad passes and got 2 out them right and suddenly he needs to start ahead of Dinho, just boggles the mind!
Sure Robinho is currently tracking back some, we'll see how lon that lasts
Even when Pato is out, we still need someone to give that final ball, ad there is no one better at that currently on this team then Dinho. Seedorf's name shouldn't be anywhere near the starting 11. He should be a sub that can help the coach make a tactical re-shuffle.
And this is just
inducingROCK ON!!!!
Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 26 2010, 06:25 PM
Robinho is a forward who does best when he starts from the left and cuts in. Seedorf helps the team? Against Catania for example when it was just Pirlo and Boateng trying to run back but Seedorf is jogging around near the opposition's box? How is that helping the team? I cna't believe we're really discussing this, Seedorf has been awful for nearly every game this season, yet he came on yesterday, made some bad passes and got 2 out them right and suddenly he needs to start ahead of Dinho, just boggles the mind!
Sure Robinho is currently tracking back some, we'll see how lon that lasts
Even when Pato is out, we still need someone to give that final ball, ad there is no one better at that currently on this team then Dinho. Seedorf's name shouldn't be anywhere near the starting 11. He should be a sub that can help the coach make a tactical re-shuffle.
I know Dinho is better in that than anyone else! But that's not the point!
Don't point to other players, they work harder than Ronaldinho and are preforming better than he is. Seedorf helps the team more than Ronaldinho does. God! Everyone seems to suck in your eyes comparing to Ronaldinho even though he is currently the worst player when it comes to preforming while I know he is by far the most talented blaballalalalalalalalalaalaalalalalalalalaa but he need to SHOW it!!!!!
Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2010, 06:31 PM
Don't point to other players, they work harder than Ronaldinho and are preforming better than he is. Seedorf helps the team more than Ronaldinho does. God! Everyone seems to suck in your eyes comparing to Ronaldinho even though he is currently the worst player when it comes to preforming while I know he is by far the most talented blaballalalalalalalalalaalaalalalalalalalaa but he need to SHOW it!!!!!
I'm giving you examples of Seedorf not working for the team and you keep repeating he does
I'm pointing out that every other player has been having trouble lately, yet it's only Dinho that get's to be the center of these little discussion with you and x-off. Saying that Ronaldinho never works for the team is again BS, as I've seen him track back on more then one occasion. And he usually commits fouls when he does it, but it's still being done, so saying that he doesn't is cr@p
Players that deserve real praise in my eyes are guys like Antonini, Nesta, Thiago and Boateng, these are the guys who really work their @sses of, the others usually show a relaxed attitude throughout an entire game, the only time they bother to really run is when they're desperate, this includes Dinho as well. To single him out is what is complete BS, which is something you do on a consistant basis, anytime he puts his foot wrong, it's Dinho this Dinho that, back to the tracking back debate blablablablablablablabla
Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2010, 06:35 PM
Also watch this and tell me that Dinho is not the best option for playing the AM position, Anytime he got in behind Ribinho and Ibra, there was a dangerous situation created. Where as when he was stuck on the left he was confined to try and make that cross or lay the ball off because he was double marked
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 26 2010, 07:00 PM
Yes, but I don't recall saying I want Seedorf in the team either.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 26 2010, 07:04 PM
Let's calm down a bit, shall we?
Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2010, 07:42 PM
You didn't but Chu-lip and x-off say Seedorf is the better option. And who would you put in Dinho's place since you don't want either?
You know if we had a top AM, I would be all for it, but currently Dinho is our best option.
Posted by: Coldest Sep 26 2010, 08:26 PM
Don't give up, Han... I'm all with you
Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2010, 08:27 PM
I never give up.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 26 2010, 08:33 PM
You know if we had a top AM, I would be all for it, but currently Dinho is our best option.
I'd rather have Pato, Robinho or Boateng on the wing to those 2.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2010, 08:52 PM
We're not really talking about the wing but the position behind the strikers. Non of the players you mentioned can play that position
And really Boateng on the wing?
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 26 2010, 08:53 PM
This. The moment Pato gets back, I want our attacking line to be Robinho-Ibra-Pato.
I just hope Dinho decides to leave next summer. That's the only hope we have for 1. getting rid of him and 2. signing someone good enough to be our trequartista behind Pato and Ibra.
Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 26 2010, 08:54 PM
And really Boateng on the wing?
I don't see Ronaldinho as an AM. Seedorf is capable of playing there, but we should play 4-3-3ish with Robinho, Zlatan and Pato. At least Robinho contributes in defending (tracks back) and moves a lot, so he gives us some balance. Seedorf I would use as alternative for Pirlo. I don't like playing both.
Boateng should play in midfield indeed.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2010, 08:56 PM
I just hope Dinho decides to leave next summer. That's the only hope we have for 1. getting rid of him and 2. signing someone good enough to be our trequartista behind Pato and Ibra.
I agree there, that we need someone better in order to drop the 4-3-3 completely. Problem is, who are we going to bring in? Pastore? Out of the question, we lost a great opportunity for VDV this summer. Not many other names come to mind when I'm thinking about a top class AM
Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2010, 08:58 PM
Boateng should play in midfield indeed.
4-3-3 though wastes Pato big time, especially without Dinho who's usually the one that slips him in when he's running in from the wing...
I believe Ronnie is more of an AM then he is a winger. I posted that vid above to show how he's more effective when he slips in behind the front 2, where as on the wing he's usually constricted to trying to play that cross or trying to constalty beat 2 players
Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 26 2010, 09:03 PM
I agree, we should not play 4-3-3, Pato should not be a winger. I called it 4-3-3ish because I don't want a 4-3-3. I want this:
edit: though, Gattuso instead of Flamini as it looks now... when I made this I was willing to give Flamini a chance, but it seems like Gattuso is grabbing his chance.
Just whoever is our best DM.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2010, 09:09 PM
That makes more sense, but still, I can't see anyone that can produce that killer ball in that line-up.
Maybe moving Pirlo would be an option, but Pirlo is someone who likes to spread play with his passes and control tempo rather then providing those little passes around the box that can split a defense wide open.
There you have Robinho and Pato who are both dribblers, who like to operate in wide spaces, Ibra is the only one who can create that little something extra, but I want him to be the one furthest to goal rather then trying to slip in his teammates
Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 26 2010, 09:11 PM
I don't see a problem in Zlatan being the one creating things since we got Pato as an awesome goalscoring striker.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2010, 09:18 PM
Imo we need both Zlatan and Dinho to hit at least 20 goals each in a season to win the league. Zlatan is made for goalscoring not trying to provide for others, imo he needs to be the players nearest to goal.
Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 26 2010, 09:19 PM
Pato should be nearest the goal. We need both during the season, but if all 4 are fit, we don't necessary need both. If Pato is out, then Ibrahimovic should indeed be the one nearest the goal, and then we indeed need Ronaldinho.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2010, 09:33 PM
Pato is better at rinnging with the ball from deep. I still don't see him as a pure CF
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 26 2010, 10:06 PM
Robinho can. Though I think it's more important trying to play as a compact team, than winning games by sudden assists and through balls. I think that's more of a problem than a bonus for us right now. Our players just give the ball to Dinho or Pirlo and hope they can deliver a killer ball for our strikers. That's a lazy way of trying to win a game. Playing with a more rapid and robust line-up we can overcome such necessities. With Gattuso, Seedorf and Dinho out, and with Flamini, Boateng and Robinho in we can achieve that. I just hope Allegri isn't dense enough to realize it.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 26 2010, 10:43 PM
+1
Btw. why is Amelia in the line-up?
This is pure speculation. Did Boateng provide any assist or engaged a really attack? I don't think does are the right players for your idea. Further more, I think we don't have them.
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 26 2010, 11:26 PM
Btw. why is Amelia in the line-up?
This is pure speculation. Did Boateng provide any assist or engaged a really attack? I don't think does are the right players for your idea. Further more, I think we don't have them.
I think they are. Boateng and Flamini bring dynamism and strength, and we can't argue on that, whilst Robinho brings speed and quality. He probably doesn't have the same field of vision that Dinho does, but nevertheless he's got the skills for being a furnisher of balls for our strikers and act as the link between attack and midfield.
Posted by: Bluesummers Sep 27 2010, 12:06 AM
dinho is def leaving come summer. I can assure you of that.
We didn't buy robinho so we could play fantastic 4. We bought him because it was an opportune moment to get him on a discount from city. 18m is a lot but when you look at the fact that robinho was also willing to take a massive pay cut, it worked out. It saves us the trouble of going wtf do we do now next year when ronaldinho goes to MLS.
Players whose contracts end next season:
Ronaldinho
Seedorf
Nesta
Amelia (end of loan)
Roma
Jankulovski
Montelongo (end of loan)
Inzaghi
Ibrahimovic (end of loan)
Boateng (end of co-own)
Ambrosini
Pirlo
Who would you resign?
Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 27 2010, 12:16 AM
Pirlo
?
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 27 2010, 12:31 AM
Seedorf
Nesta
Amelia (end of loan)
Roma
Jankulovski
Montelongo (end of loan)
Inzaghi
Ibrahimovic (end of loan)
Boateng (end of co-own)
Ambrosini
Pirlo
Who would you resign?
Nesta, Amelia, Ibra, Boateng and Pirlo. I'd also consider re-signing Seedorf in case we buy an AM, so we can have him as backup.
Posted by: Bluesummers Sep 27 2010, 12:34 AM
????
Posted by: Bluesummers Sep 27 2010, 12:37 AM
I'd sign:
Amelia
Pirlo 1 year
Ibra 4 years
Boateng 4 years
Roma 1 year
Nesta 1 year
Ambro 1 year
Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 27 2010, 12:43 AM
2012, right?
Posted by: Bluesummers Sep 27 2010, 01:10 AM
transfermarkt says 2011 football manager says 2012.
Posted by: MizNelson Sep 27 2010, 01:49 AM
Amelia (younger GK blood, if nothing else), Boateng and Nesta. The rest can take a hike, including Pippo.
Posted by: Bluesummers Sep 27 2010, 03:19 AM
even the fairy princess? Our unicorn on ice? Our blossoming chrysanthemum?
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 27 2010, 04:35 AM
And really Boateng on the wing?
Milan can't play with Pirlo and an AM, in my opinion, it either makes us too narrow, or we lack any bite in midfield. Unless of course Pirlo plays as the AM, but he's far too slow for that.
Yep. KPB was terrible for Spurs in midfield, but when he moved to Pompey and started playing on the wing or as AM he was superb.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 27 2010, 12:09 PM
football manager says 2012.And footballmanager is a valid sorce
I like it when you play the insider role.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 27 2010, 12:34 PM
We didn't buy robinho so we could play fantastic 4. We bought him because it was an opportune moment to get him on a discount from city. 18m is a lot but when you look at the fact that robinho was also willing to take a massive pay cut, it worked out. It saves us the trouble of going wtf do we do now next year when ronaldinho goes to MLS.
Players whose contracts end next season:
Ronaldinho
Seedorf
Nesta
Amelia (end of loan)
Roma
Jankulovski
Montelongo (end of loan)
Inzaghi
Ibrahimovic (end of loan)
Boateng (end of co-own)
Ambrosini
Pirlo
Who would you resign?
Nesta
Seedorf (as a sub only)
Amelia
Ibra
Boateng
Ambro (year long deal as a sub)
Pirlo (2 years)
Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 27 2010, 01:02 PM
football manager says 2012.Those I didn't use, FM is not even a source. I looked it up now, and it is indeed 2011. I'm quite shocked with that.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 27 2010, 02:41 PM
Agreed, I'm sure it will be renewed sometime in the middle of the season
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