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post Aug 21 2018, 03:03 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 17 2018, 12:42 PM) *
If we had signed a proper left winger, we’d have Biglia, Kessie and Hakan as starters in midfield with Bakayoko and Bonaventura as subs. That’s not a shabby midfield.

But by deploying Hakan in attack not only we’re depriving ourselves of a creative force in midfield but we’re left with no options as well. Anyone with working brain cells can see that. No idea what Leonardo and Gattuso are thinking.

@William I don’t see Hakan as a winger, sorry. I see him as an AM/LCM. With him and Suso uprfront, we’re playing 4-3-2-1 rather than 4-3-3, and that limits our attacking prowess considerably. That system might have worked when we had guys like Pirlo, Seedorf, Rui Costa and Kaką, but not with the current roster of players we have.

But you're assuming that Hakan would start as the LCM, and personally, I don't think that's a good idea. He just leaves too much space behind him. Whenever he played there last season he never really impressed

For me, it's pretty obvious that Rino sees Bakayoko as the answer. He will most likely play him in that LCM position because tha's the kind of profile he likes. Which is very worrying if you ask me. We're going to have zero creativity in that midfield

Well Hakan for me is an AM, he's not a CM or a winger. But he was one of our best players when playing on the left as opposed to when Montella played him in midfield where he was generally bad imo

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Aug 17 2018, 11:35 PM) *
The formation will change during the game as well. Debating when the first professional game of the season hasn't kicked off yet is pointless. Whatever testing he does either in friendlies or training, he will probably use at some point in the season.

Ringo was instrumental prior and during the transition from Fassoni and Mirabelli to Leonardo and Maldini. He kept the team as a whole under control, not one player made a fuss about the off field situation. Plus he was the ONLY factor last season that kept Milan playing with heart. Why should he leave? He is a good coach, one that is guaranteed to pass on that Milan fire of past glories to the players.

conte is a good coach, but not what we need right now. I'd rather give Ringo a chance this season with Higuin instead of Kalinic and Silva, Bakayoko in place of Montolivo and the likes, and a direct report to Paolo Maldini which is just perfect!

P.s. think Hakan will be given free movement and not confined to a space

We'll see. For me, Rino has generally stuck to the 4-3-3 in attack which switches to a 4-5-1 when we don't have the ball.

And personally I would say the complete opposite about Conte. He's exactly the kind of coach we need in this period, while someone like Rino who is inexperienced is a gamble that we can't afford to take imo

QUOTE (William405 @ Aug 18 2018, 12:23 PM) *
Pastore signed for Roma for only 24million?! Why didn't we sign him?

Meh, he's been in deline for a while now imo

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 19 2018, 10:15 PM) *
I'm gonna side here with Han. Signing Bakayoko (even on loan) seems to me like a panic move. I think he's a surplus in our squad; we already have Kessie while we lack of a true organizer. We have too many midfielders in quantity and too little in quality. Biglia, Bertolacci and Montolivo should have been sold/shipped out, and a real creator or at least a talented potential should have been signed for midfield.

Hakan cannot play in central midfield, he's too undisciplined and too inconsistent. Also, his only true quality is his shooting and crossing, so it's rather logical he's being played on the side, even though he lacks pace. But I'd say that Halilovic, Suso, Hakan and Castillejo offer much more for the flanks than we had in the last 2-3 seasons.

But I get that we didn't have time to strike all the necessary deals. I think Leonardo and Maldini have done far better with far less money and time then Mirabelli and Fassone did last summer.

That being said, I'm really glad both F&M are out. I never once trusted those washed-out Interistas. Last summer and their lack of true vision proved that (even though I think they wanted to sign Cristiano which would have been huge, but well - it's their fault we didn't make the CL).

I don't think it was a panic move per se. I think he's the kind of profile Rino asked for tbh. He even mentioned this at the end of last season IIRC. Let me just point out that it is US the FANS who see Bakayoko as someone who's going to be rotated with Kessie. It remains to be seen how Rino will actually use him, and I personally have a feeling that he will use the both of them in that midfield often this season. It's what we're reportedly going to use against Napoli

About Hakan, it's not that he's undisciplined imo, it's just that he's not adapt at playing that position. Who knows what will happen as the season progresses. Maybe Castillejo can cement the winger position which would allow Hakan to slot into midfield and he could excel there. But I just don't see this happening tbh

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 20 2018, 12:32 AM) *
Bakayoko was signed as a vice-Kessie.

We do lack a true organizer because Biglia is not good enough.

Hakan can play in midfield. He's very disciplined and in the second half of last season was very consistent, arguably our best player. He's the player with most vision and best passing skills, hence relegating him on the wing is a mistake, IMO.

I think that's what we're all assuming and hoping, but there's no gaurantee for that statement untill we see him being used as such

Also, Biglia is a completely different conversation, we'll see how he does this season, but next summer, we're definately going to HAVE to address those 2 midfield areas

QUOTE (William405 @ Aug 20 2018, 01:22 PM) *
I know I'm quoting an old post, but I really like the formation that you posted. It would be cool if Rino tries something a little more attacking. I mean potentially Castielljo and Laxalt can play there.(Also, Bonaventura no??) I know that it is maybe not their natural position, but it could work as a stop-gap solution..

I honestly can't see Rino deviating from the 4-3-3. And yes, a 4-2-3-1 would suit the player we have better. But we've never been shown any sign of going for it

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 20 2018, 02:54 PM) *
My question is why didn't we tap that hole on the left while we still could? Plenty of available solutions out there. Whereas Suso is the dribble/creator on the left, what we needed was a right-footed winger who can score. That's how you get the best out of a 4-3-3 formation.

It's the typical alpha-beta argument. Instead, with Suso and Hakan on the wings we have two beta type of players, both who can create, but none of which can score on a constant basis. Because they're not strikers. It's all on Higuain's shoulders to give us +25 goals in attack, and that's one hell of a burden.

For me, there are a couple of reasons as to why this could be.

1. Didn't have the money to go after someone who could really make the difference for us
2. Bakayoko was Rino's request for the position
3. Couldn't close a deal for a the top player we need in this position because or lack of time for Leo to identify the best option and close a deal
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post Aug 21 2018, 04:38 PM
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@Han:

1. Hakan played as LCM at the start of last season, when we were generally shambolic and he was in a very, very bad shape. Play him now and you'll see he'll fit just fine. Bona could do it, why can't Hakan?

I think you're all too stiff when it comes to positions on the field. A good player is able to adapt himself regardless of where he plays. Hakan can play both LFW and LCM just fine. I just think that he expresses himself much better in midfield, as he doesn't have the characteristics of a winger, and furthermore, he's exactly the type of player we need to create that link between midfield and attack.

2. You seem too obsessed with Bakayoko. Chill out, you're jumping to conclusions too soon. He might be a starter against Napoli as Hakan is suspended and Rino could push Bona in attack (which is another drawback of failing to sign a LFW this summer), but that doesn't mean we'll always play with him, Biglia and Kessie in midfield. That also depends on how Bonaventura will perform this season.

3. Keita was an option. Even for a year on loan at 6M, he would have been a much preferred choice. Yet with Leo's appointment we never really seemed to be interested in filling that position anymore.

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post Aug 21 2018, 07:40 PM
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Agreed about Keita.

But man, you're the one stuck with Hakan. You have zero evidence to back up your stance. I told you on numerous occasions that I watched Hakan play in midfield and as a DM as well for HSV/Bayer and he couldn't cut it there (in the Buliga which is tactically much easier then Serie A). Han told you he started there with Montella and we know this wasn't good. What more do you want?
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post Aug 21 2018, 07:44 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 21 2018, 04:38 PM) *
@Han:

1. Hakan played as LCM at the start of last season, when we were generally shambolic and he was in a very, very bad shape. Play him now and you'll see he'll fit just fine. Bona could do it, why can't Hakan?

I think you're all too stiff when it comes to positions on the field. A good player is able to adapt himself regardless of where he plays. Hakan can play both LFW and LCM just fine. I just think that he expresses himself much better in midfield, as he doesn't have the characteristics of a winger, and furthermore, he's exactly the type of player we need to create that link between midfield and attack.

2. You seem too obsessed with Bakayoko. Chill out, you're jumping to conclusions too soon. He might be a starter against Napoli as Hakan is suspended and Rino could push Bona in attack (which is another drawback of failing to sign a LFW this summer), but that doesn't mean we'll always play with him, Biglia and Kessie in midfield. That also depends on how Bonaventura will perform this season.

3. Keita was an option. Even for a year on loan at 6M, he would have been a much preferred choice. Yet with Leo's appointment we never really seemed to be interested in filling that position anymore.

1. I agree that the circumstances last season weren't ideal for him, but I think he'd just be better in the 4-2-3-1 and last season he impressed a lot on that wing once he was able to get into form. I just don't really see him as a solution to our problems in midfield. Who knows, maybe if Castillejo can take controle of that LW spot we could see what Hakan can pull off in the LCM position, I'm just not sold on it because I haven't really seen enough of him playing that role to make a judgement

2. It's not an obsession but a hunch based on what Rino has previously said (with regards to filling that particular role). I think Bakayoko is right up his alley and he'll use him a lot this season, whether we like it or not

3. True, but Keita had already rejected us last summer. I don't know what happened, but Leo was looking for a midfielder and winger. Just because we're disappointed with who was brought in doesn't mean that they weren't the goals.
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 21 2018, 07:44 PM) *
1. I agree that the circumstances last season weren't ideal for him, but I think he'd just be better in the 4-2-3-1 and last season he impressed a lot on that wing once he was able to get into form. I just don't really see him as a solution to our problems in midfield. Who knows, maybe if Castillejo can take controle of that LW spot we could see what Hakan can pull off in the LCM position, I'm just not sold on it because I haven't really seen enough of him playing that role to make a judgement

2. It's not an obsession but a hunch based on what Rino has previously said (with regards to filling that particular role). I think Bakayoko is right up his alley and he'll use him a lot this season, whether we like it or not

3. True, but Keita had already rejected us last summer. I don't know what happened, but Leo was looking for a midfielder and winger. Just because we're disappointed with who was brought in doesn't mean that they weren't the goals.


Castillejo doesn't convince me. He might be good to have as a sub for Suso, but the reason we didn't sign anyone on the left is because Gattuso is convinced that position belongs to Hakan. IMO, that is a mistake, not only because I think Hakan's qualities can be best expressed elsewhere on the pitch, but also because I think playing 4-3-3 with only one true striker is the wrong way to go at it.

What did Rino say about Bakayoko? That he can play alongside Biglia and Kessie? That is a given. Doesn't mean it'll be the status quo of the season, though. Unless Bonaventura keeps sucking like last season, then he'll be forced to play like that. Because he certainly can't pull Hakan in midfield, seeing how we only have Borini as an alternative on the left.
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 21 2018, 08:46 PM) *
Castillejo doesn't convince me. He might be good to have as a sub for Suso, but the reason we didn't sign anyone on the left is because Gattuso is convinced that position belongs to Hakan. IMO, that is a mistake, not only because I think Hakan's qualities can be best expressed elsewhere on the pitch, but also because I think playing 4-3-3 with only one true striker is the wrong way to go at it.

What did Rino say about Bakayoko? That he can play alongside Biglia and Kessie? That is a given. Doesn't mean it'll be the status quo of the season, though. Unless Bonaventura keeps sucking like last season, then he'll be forced to play like that. Because he certainly can't pull Hakan in midfield, seeing how we only have Borini as an alternative on the left.

I think it's premature to make any assessments about Castillejo. The majority of people haven't seen much of him, while I read a couple of La Liga fans' opinions and they think highly of him.

We'll have to see how he does before we can completely disregard him.

I don't think that's the reason, we were specifically looking for a striker, a midfielder and a winger this summer. Rino said this, Leonardo said this and Mirabelli before he got the sack as well. Castillejo (according to transfermarkt) played more games on the left than on the right wile at Villareal, so it's not like he can only plar on the right wing like Suso. I personally think that he was our winger signing that had been noted throughout the summer. Maybe he's not the big name we wanted or the exact profile (a right footed player) but he is a winger and he is a rather pacey one at that.

We'll just have to see how things progress during the season. We definitely have a lot more options than we did last season. Don't forget that Laxalt can play across that entire left flank, I actually think he's going to be out most important signing this summer along with Higuain of course. He's such an underrated player, but I've always really liked his style. He'll be very useful for us
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