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Posted by: Jack Bauer Feb 2 2014, 06:39 PM

http://www.milannews.it/primo-piano/milan-agazzi-c-a-l-accordo-le-ultime-135464

Seems like we reached an agreement with Michael Agazzi (will be a free player in the summer so we can agree with him now). Hope he'll be our second choice next season and they are still planning to bring someone better.

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 2 2014, 06:49 PM

QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Feb 2 2014, 06:39 PM) *
http://www.milannews.it/primo-piano/milan-agazzi-c-a-l-accordo-le-ultime-135464

Seems like we reached an agreement with Michael Agazzi (will be a free player in the summer so we can agree with him now). Hope he'll be our second choice next season and they are still planning to bring someone better.


We still don't know that.

Posted by: Jack Bauer Feb 2 2014, 06:55 PM

That's why I wrote 'Hope'.

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 2 2014, 07:00 PM

QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Feb 2 2014, 02:39 PM) *
http://www.milannews.it/primo-piano/milan-agazzi-c-a-l-accordo-le-ultime-135464

Seems like we reached an agreement with Michael Agazzi (will be a free player in the summer so we can agree with him now). Hope he'll be our second choice next season and they are still planning to bring someone better.

I thought he signed a contract with chievo...i guess it was just a loan...
If not, I'm not sure i'm enthralled about his signing. The chance of signing a player of the raw talent of Perin doesn't happen every day, especially when Juve and Inter already have their #1s and wouldn't be competing for his signing. No doubt he will offer more then the current 3 keepers, although i still feel as though Gabriel might have the potential of being a stronger keeper then Agazzi is now. Anyhow, Milan settling for the cheap option surely doesn't take any of us by surprise...

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 2 2014, 07:53 PM

****

http://www.football-italia.net/44718/report-milan-agree-agazzi-terms

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 3 2014, 12:23 AM

QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Feb 2 2014, 06:55 PM) *
That's why I wrote 'Hope'.


Ha, didn't notice that. My bad.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Feb 3 2014, 08:53 AM

Wingers, Left Back, One top centre back, Goalkeeper.

Easily looking at 60 million total in outlay. We'll need to sell, because I don't think we have a market budget of more than 30 million without sales.

Posted by: han2503 Feb 3 2014, 12:55 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Feb 3 2014, 08:53 AM) *
Wingers, Left Back, One top centre back, Goalkeeper.

Easily looking at 60 million total in outlay. We'll need to sell, because I don't think we have a market budget of more than 30 million without sales.

I don't think we need a LB aside from someone who can cover Abate on the right the FB area is good.

I'd much prefer a really good CB that can replace Mexes, especially since it's clear that the intention is to sell him

Posted by: ganney Feb 3 2014, 03:10 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 3 2014, 01:55 PM) *
I don't think we need a LB aside from someone who can cover Abate on the right the FB area is good.


lets buy santon already and trade away constant

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Feb 3 2014, 04:40 PM

QUOTE (ganney @ Feb 3 2014, 04:10 PM) *
lets buy santon already and trade away constant

+1

Posted by: Jack Bauer Feb 4 2014, 02:10 AM

http://forzaitalianfootball.com/2014/02/ac-milans-seedorf-targets-defensive-changes/

Don't like the Abate thing at all, especially for someone like Urby.
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Posted by: han2503 Feb 4 2014, 11:15 AM

QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Feb 4 2014, 02:10 AM) *
http://forzaitalianfootball.com/2014/02/ac-milans-seedorf-targets-defensive-changes/

Don't like the Abate thing at all, especially for someone like Urby.
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That would be retarded beyond belief

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Feb 4 2014, 11:31 PM

Yeah, retarded! A downgrade from idiot, eh? And all this time I thought the retard was a step better than an idiot biggrin.gif tongue.gif

Posted by: han2503 Feb 5 2014, 12:28 AM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Feb 4 2014, 11:31 PM) *
Yeah, retarded! A downgrade from idiot, eh? And all this time I thought the retard was a step better than an idiot biggrin.gif tongue.gif

What would you call selling Italy's starting RB to accomodate Urby Emannualson?

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 5 2014, 01:02 AM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 5 2014, 12:28 AM) *
What would you call selling Italy's starting RB to accomodate Urby Emannualson?


Why are you trying to argue with the troll?

Posted by: CHU-LIP Feb 5 2014, 01:06 AM

QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Feb 4 2014, 04:10 AM) *
http://forzaitalianfootball.com/2014/02/ac-milans-seedorf-targets-defensive-changes/

Don't like the Abate thing at all, especially for someone like Urby.
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It says for De Sciglio. Where does it say anything about Urby?

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 5 2014, 01:09 AM

QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Feb 5 2014, 01:06 AM) *
It says for De Sciglio. Where does it say anything about Urby?


The very first paragraph.

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[...] while Ignazio Abate could be a possible casualty of the new regime.


EDIT: Sorry, thought you meant Abate. My bad.

Posted by: Jack Bauer Feb 5 2014, 01:59 AM

QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Feb 5 2014, 04:06 AM) *
It says for De Sciglio. Where does it say anything about Urby?

Bacause it wouldn't be MDS vs Abate for RB role if Seedorf didn't see Urby as a starting and irreplaceable LB. IMO, Abate at RB and MDS at LB as starters as it was before is a much better option than Urby with one of them.

Posted by: CHU-LIP Feb 5 2014, 02:06 AM

QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Feb 5 2014, 03:59 AM) *
Bacause it wouldn't be MDS vs Abate for RB role if Seedorf didn't see Urby as a starting and irreplaceable LB. IMO, Abate at RB and MDS at LB as starters as it was before is a much better option than Urby with one of them.

Where did he say that?

Posted by: Jack Bauer Feb 5 2014, 02:19 AM

He didn't say that but it seems like that so far + it was implied there: http://www.football-italia.net/43900/seedorf-renew-emanuelson and it turns to be true so far as Abate is healthy but not playing and this wasn't the only rumor about his possible departure.

Posted by: KillerMax Feb 5 2014, 05:02 AM

I'm starting to dislike Seedorf as a coach already. dry.gif Abate is one of my favorite players.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Feb 5 2014, 05:11 AM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 5 2014, 03:28 AM) *
What would you call selling Italy's starting RB to accomodate Urby Emannualson?


Id call that f-ing retarded laugh.gif

Posted by: Forza Milan! Feb 5 2014, 01:19 PM

QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Feb 5 2014, 02:07 PM) *
A few interesting articles on Goal.com.

<http://www.goal.com/it/news/7/calciomercato/2014/02/05/4595251/il-milan-si-prepara-a-unestate-rovente-45-milioni-pronti-per> is basically saying that we will have some money to spend this summer, something in the order of 45M. Some data points:
- Missing CL will cost us 30M, but ...
- Recent contracts made with players have a clause that reduces salary by 20% if Milan does not make a European competition. With player salaries at 105M, that would be a savings of 21M.
- Additional savings would come if we get rid of excess players (in particular Mexes and Robinho). Personally, I will believe this when I see it, as our recent track record shows we are not good at unloading players.
- The article also has some suspect looking calculations that yield 45M as the amount we could spend

<http://www.goal.com/it/news/7/calciomercato/2014/02/05/4596273/pazza-idea-cellino-per-il-cagliari-galliani-presidente-al-fianco-?ICID=HP_TS_2> is basically sayng that Galliani is being offered a job to run Cagliari. Apparently the team is going to be owned by the Al Thani family from Abu Dhabi, who have strong links with Galliani (as does Cellino, who apparently recommended him for the job). Have mixed feelings about this. It is time for new management and new ideas. OTOH, who do we have that can step in? Barbara? (Hmm ...)

<http://www.goal.com/it/news/7/calciomercato/2014/02/05/4596452/calciomercato-milan-altro-colpo-low-cost-nel-mirino-piace?ICID=HP_BN_1> links us with Alex from PSG, who apparently is not renewing his contract. We are also linked with Vidic, Musacchio, Doria from Botafogo, and Martins Indi from Feyenoord. Only familiar with Vidic. Any insight on the rest?

Should have posted this under "Summer Transfers 2014", did not realize it had been opened :-). Can we pin it?

In any case, Galliani has denied the rumor about Cagliari (see <http://www.goal.com/it/news/7/calciomercato/2014/02/05/4596878/macch%C3%A8-cagliari-galliani-giura-amore-eterno-al-milan-non-lo?ICID=HP_BN_4>). Though in Galliani's case a denial could mean anything.

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 5 2014, 06:14 PM

^ Thanks for the info. The Goal article was interesting.

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Taarabt: "Milan have the Italian Balloteli, and now they'll have the Moroccan Balotelli"


Posted by: acid911 Feb 5 2014, 07:18 PM

Something tells me we've another Niang among our ranks. sleep.gif Less talk more action, Taarabt boy!

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 5 2014, 08:38 PM

Read on FIF that we are after Van der Vaart, end of contract and Seedorf might work his magic...

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 5 2014, 08:41 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 5 2014, 02:14 PM) *
^ Thanks for the info. The Goal article was interesting.

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Taarabt: "Milan have the Italian Balloteli, and now they'll have the Moroccan Balotelli"


yeah, this is what's allowed to happen when the high-flying disciplinary boot of Ibra no longer patrols and invigilates practices...guys start thinking they can invent a reputation for themselves without even playing 1 minute for the club...

Posted by: dst Feb 6 2014, 01:26 AM

QUOTE (KillerMax @ Feb 5 2014, 04:02 AM) *
I'm starting to dislike Seedorf as a coach already. dry.gif Abate is one of my favorite players.

Never liked Abate. Seedorf is AMAZING! biggrin.gif

Posted by: milanbuf88 Feb 6 2014, 03:47 AM

QUOTE (dst @ Feb 5 2014, 09:26 PM) *
Never liked Abate. Seedorf is AMAZING! biggrin.gif


Getting rid of Abate would be a terrible move. He's a starter for the National team, a Milan youth product, entering his prime years as a footballer, and doesn't make a huge amount. I like Urby and I think he should get an extension but we shouldn't be sacrificing Abate for him.

Posted by: KillerMax Feb 6 2014, 04:20 AM

QUOTE (milanbuf88 @ Feb 5 2014, 09:47 PM) *
Getting rid of Abate would be a terrible move. He's a starter for the National team, a Milan youth product, entering his prime years as a footballer, and doesn't make a huge amount. I like Urby and I think he should get an extension but we shouldn't be sacrificing Abate for him.


Yeah, it's nonsense. There are SO many ahead of him that need to go.

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 6 2014, 01:30 PM

Mediaset reports that Juve have reached an agreement for Fernando Reges, whereas Vidic has already signed for Inter. They were both our objectives.

Posted by: acid911 Feb 6 2014, 02:36 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 6 2014, 06:30 PM) *
Mediaset reports that Juve have reached an agreement for Fernando Reges, whereas Vidic has already signed for Inter. They were both our objectives.

Oh, that's just grand. dry.gif

Posted by: han2503 Feb 6 2014, 02:49 PM

QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Feb 5 2014, 08:38 PM) *
Read on FIF that we are after Van der Vaart, end of contract and Seedorf might work his magic...

Meh, he's past his best, if this was a few years ago sure. Having said that I always preferred Sneijder over him.

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 6 2014, 01:30 PM) *
Mediaset reports that Juve have reached an agreement for Fernando Reges, whereas Vidic has already signed for Inter. They were both our objectives.

Meh, again, Vidic is a player that I'd have wanted to see with us a few years ago. Now he's deteriorated badly. Let Inter get him, I'd rather we go after someone in his early twenties that's showing talent

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 6 2014, 03:12 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 6 2014, 02:49 PM) *
Meh, again, Vidic is a player that I'd have wanted to see with us a few years ago. Now he's deteriorated badly. Let Inter get him, I'd rather we go after someone in his early twenties that's showing talent


I think we should convince Mexes to halve his wages, from €4 million to €2 million or so. Given our financial resources, we simply cannot aim for a better defender.

Posted by: han2503 Feb 6 2014, 04:07 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 6 2014, 03:12 PM) *
I think we should convince Mexes to halve his wages, from €4 million to €2 million or so. Given our financial resources, we simply cannot aim for a better defender.

I've been saying this for a while. But given that Seedorf isn't using him, this while he's on a 4m wage, I don't think keeping him in general (no matter what he's getting paid) is in the plans for them

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 6 2014, 04:25 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 6 2014, 04:07 PM) *
I've been saying this for a while. But given that Seedorf isn't using him, this while he's on a 4m wage, I don't think keeping him in general (no matter what he's getting paid) is in the plans for them


We don't know that yet. I think the problem is his wage rather than his skills. Maybe not playing him is like a warning, either earn less or GTFO.

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 6 2014, 06:30 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 6 2014, 10:49 AM) *
Meh, he's past his best, if this was a few years ago sure. Having said that I always preferred Sneijder over him.

2013/14 German Bundesliga
GAMES........GOALS.......ASSISTS
16..................7.................5


Your opinion, but who else amongst our 3 AMs is scoring a goal every second game and an assist every third?

The only thing i would say agaisnt this is that, with a squad likely to missout on european footy next near, how big do we want the squad to be...

Posted by: dst Feb 6 2014, 07:00 PM

QUOTE (milanbuf88 @ Feb 6 2014, 02:47 AM) *
Getting rid of Abate would be a terrible move. He's a starter for the National team, a Milan youth product, entering his prime years as a footballer, and doesn't make a huge amount. I like Urby and I think he should get an extension but we shouldn't be sacrificing Abate for him.

If we can get good money for him I'd let him go.

QUOTE (KillerMax @ Feb 6 2014, 03:20 AM) *
Yeah, it's nonsense. There are SO many ahead of him that need to go.

True but they can't get us any money.

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 6 2014, 12:30 PM) *
Mediaset reports that Juve have reached an agreement for Fernando Reges, whereas Vidic has already signed for Inter. They were both our objectives.

Didn't Reges sign for Manchester?

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 6 2014, 03:25 PM) *
We don't know that yet. I think the problem is his wage rather than his skills. Maybe not playing him is like a warning, either earn less or GTFO.

That's stupid, mob-like behavior. We're obviously hurting our team in the process if that's true. And I would not personally wanna play for a team that chose this path.

QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Feb 6 2014, 05:30 PM) *
The only thing i would say agaisnt this is that, with a squad likely to missout on european footy next near, how big do we want the squad to be...

Good point. It's also who wants to come to Milan right now. We're a mess. And have been since last year. We're not an attractive destination right now. And many agents would advice their young, aspiring clients against joining us. We can't get many of them, if any.

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 6 2014, 07:09 PM

QUOTE (dst @ Feb 6 2014, 03:00 PM) *
Good point. It's also who wants to come to Milan right now. We're a mess. And have been since last year. We're not an attractive destination right now. And many agents would advice their young, aspiring clients against joining us. We can't get many of them, if any.

I would have agreed with this pre-seedorf. I think this technocratic leadership has some player-appeal (espescially if you're dutch). I read the other day that even Stam would consider leaving his directorial position at Ajax if Milan made a good offer....just to be an assistant manager! Even Crespo has openly said he"d love to join us, though i suspect he<s fishing for a managerial position elsewhere...

For the likes of the current generation of dutch players neering the end of their careers, i don<t know that Seedorf would be enough to secure them, but in dreaming a bigger dream, the young dutch midfielder or young dutch defender, given a chance to play for a big club that no longer has the money to block it's holes with copious market spending, that has offered more and more oppurtunities to young players, we might be a chance worth taking...

Just think of all the argentinian starlets that must have growth idolizing Crespo, presented a chance to be coached by him and become close to him at a huge club where the stadium can fit up to 80k screaming fans....it's quite something

Posted by: han2503 Feb 6 2014, 07:12 PM

QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Feb 6 2014, 06:30 PM) *
2013/14 German Bundesliga
GAMES........GOALS.......ASSISTS
16..................7.................5

Your opinion, but who else amongst our 3 AMs is scoring a goal every second game and an assist every third?

The only thing i would say agaisnt this is that, with a squad likely to missout on european footy next near, how big do we want the squad to be...

Well his stats look good, but he's not the player he used to be. Add to that he's on the same level as Kaka and Honda, what we need to elevate our attack to the next level is a real quality winger, not another slow AM


QUOTE (dst @ Feb 6 2014, 07:00 PM) *
That's stupid, mob-like behavior. We're obviously hurting our team in the process if that's true. And I would not personally wanna play for a team that chose this path.

I don't think so.

I think the club needs to finally get some b@lls with regards to dealing with players. We cannot afford to let things slide as usual. 2m per year over the next 3 years or so is still a very generous contract offer for Mexes. If he doesn't want to take it then it should be made clear that we'll be looking elsewhere. On the other hand the passive behaviour shown when dealing with the likes of Mesbah, Traore and now Constant, players who we want to sell but can't because they want to stay and earn their wages shows that we still haven't learnt our lesson. Look at what Mourinho constantly does when he doesn't want a player anymore and that player clings on. Banishes him from the squad and doesn't even allow him to train with the rest, Juve are now doing the same thing with Quagliarella. No it's not "classy" behaviour, but there's no more room left for classy, especially when we've thrown classy out the window in every other area. When Constant rejected that move he should have been given an ultimatum, either accept or suffer the consequences. Because if the club doesn't do this, we'll continue to be taken for a ride

Posted by: dst Feb 6 2014, 10:29 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 6 2014, 06:12 PM) *
I don't think so.

I think the club needs to finally get some b@lls with regards to dealing with players. We cannot afford to let things slide as usual. 2m per year over the next 3 years or so is still a very generous contract offer for Mexes. If he doesn't want to take it then it should be made clear that we'll be looking elsewhere. On the other hand the passive behaviour shown when dealing with the likes of Mesbah, Traore and now Constant, players who we want to sell but can't because they want to stay and earn their wages shows that we still haven't learnt our lesson. Look at what Mourinho constantly does when he doesn't want a player anymore and that player clings on. Banishes him from the squad and doesn't even allow him to train with the rest, Juve are now doing the same thing with Quagliarella. No it's not "classy" behaviour, but there's no more room left for classy, especially when we've thrown classy out the window in every other area. When Constant rejected that move he should have been given an ultimatum, either accept or suffer the consequences. Because if the club doesn't do this, we'll continue to be taken for a ride

I'm not talking about Constant or any other Milan or Mourinho reject. I'm talking about Mexes. We can't afford not to play Mexes. Unless you learned to like Bonera.

Posted by: han2503 Feb 6 2014, 10:50 PM

QUOTE (dst @ Feb 6 2014, 10:29 PM) *
I'm not talking about Constant or any other Milan or Mourinho reject. I'm talking about Mexes. We can't afford not to play Mexes. Unless you learned to like Bonera.

No, of course I know that. I've been harping on about that for months now, ever since Bonera had his "miracle" run of a handful of decent games and suddenly some wanted him starting games.

But having said that, we also need to look at this from a financial and business perspective.

We don't know what's going on, if it's really Seedorf not taking a liking to him for whatever reason and he's already decided that he wants him sold, then we can't do anything about it. Best to sell him in the summer. We could easily get 10 to 12m for him, even more if Monaco are really interested.

But if this is as x-off said, an internal battle due to contract issues. Then yes, I do think that the club should stand their ground. Why? Because he'll be a free agent soon enough, and either he stays WITH an extension AND a reduced wage or he's sold in the summer, we can't afford to either lose him for free or keep him on the bench while earning the money he is.

Footballing wise. Yes, we cannot afford to have a player of his quality on the bench while Bonera makes an @ss out of himself on a weekly basis. But in either case, a decision needs to be made sooner rather than later, and benching him could force his hand either way.

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 7 2014, 01:00 AM

Mexes should be played alongside Rami till the end of the season. Then Galliani has to make it clear to him that either he cuts his wage, or he gets sold and we look elsewhere for a replacement. Mexes is the best defender we've got, but €4 million is too much for our pockets.

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 7 2014, 04:07 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 6 2014, 09:00 PM) *
Mexes should be played alongside Rami till the end of the season. Then Galliani has to make it clear him that either he cuts his wage, or he gets sold and we look elsewhere for a replacement. Mexes is the best defender we've got, but €4 million is too much for our pockets.

Agreed,

Although I think by shrinking the squad size we don't have to bully a good performer. Besides why would any elite(or as elite as we can manage) want to play for us when we go after them screaming fowl one year into a contract we drafted. Sell the pulp and we will have MORE than enough to keep him...

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 7 2014, 10:14 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 7 2014, 03:00 AM) *
Mexes should be played alongside Rami till the end of the season. Then Galliani has to make it clear to him that either he cuts his wage, or he gets sold and we look elsewhere for a replacement. Mexes is the best defender we've got, but €4 million is too much for our pockets.

+1

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 7 2014, 02:23 PM

According to Mediaset, we'll sign Alex (32) from PSG for free this summer (2-year contract for €2.8 million per season + option for a third year). We're also far ahead of Juve in regards to Fernando. Agazzi will be the new goalie. Our main objective will be Cerci, whom we want to get by selling Saponara to Parma.

http://www.sportmediaset.mediaset.it/mercato/milan/2014/articoli/1026500/il-milan-del-futuro-arrivano-alex-e-fernando-il-sogno-e-cerci-160-.shtml

Thoughts?

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 7 2014, 02:31 PM

Tuttosport says we're after Fabio Coentrao for the left flank. He'll cost around €10 million. We might get him on loan or pay his fee in installments. Coentrao on the left in order to definitely place De Sciglio on the right. Doria is our main objective in defense.

http://www.milannews.it/primo-piano/il-milan-di-seedorf-va-su-coentrao-a-giugno-si-pua-chiudere-135839

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Feb 7 2014, 03:01 PM

Without commenting on the names, I'm at least satisfied that work is being done in the right areas. I was half worried we'd be getting one more striker.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 7 2014, 03:03 PM

I don't like the rumors one bit. This would be another restart. I'm getting tired.

Mexes, Abate, MDS are the few players that actually play good at Milan. Now we have the chance to build on that, but as usual, we decide to turn the page and sell in order to bring in questionable "targets". Don't get me wrong, Coentrao is a good player - but do we really need him? Alex is a fair defender, yet I wonder myself, wouldn't Mexes perhaps agree cutting his salary to €2.8 million per season? Because in that case, Mexes has the advantage: he's played for years in Serie A, he's been good for Milan and he has still something to offer.

Cerci and Fernando are okay, but not game changers. I'd rather we buy one player, but with true class or at least top potential then again buying all the usual rejects we can find.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 7 2014, 03:04 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Feb 7 2014, 05:01 PM) *
Without commenting on the names, I'm at least satisfied that work is being done in the right areas. I was half worried we'd be getting one more striker.

You are? I really don't think we need fullbacks right now, and that seems to be our main thing.

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 7 2014, 03:46 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 7 2014, 03:03 PM) *
I don't like the rumors one bit. This would be another restart. I'm getting tired.

Mexes, Abate, MDS are the few players that actually play good at Milan. Now we have the chance to build on that, but as usual, we decide to turn the page and sell in order to bring in questionable "targets". Don't get me wrong, Coentrao is a good player - but do we really need him? Alex is a fair defender, yet I wonder myself, wouldn't Mexes perhaps agree cutting his salary to €2.8 million per season? Because in that case, Mexes has the advantage: he's played for years in Serie A, he's been good for Milan and he has still something to offer.

Cerci and Fernando are okay, but not game changers. I'd rather we buy one player, but with true class or at least top potential then again buying all the usual rejects we can find.


I agree. From those names mentioned, I'd get Fernando and Cerci.

Call me mad, but I think in defense we're quite covered. Abate, Rami, Mexes, MDS as starters, Zapata, Bonera and Emanuelson as subs. Maybe bring another average CB to replace Silvestre.

Obviously Agazzi is a terrible choice for first GK. We should go after Perin or Marchetti.

This is what I'd like to see for next season:

Perin
Abate - Rami - Mexes - MDS
Fernando - Montolivo
Cerci - Honda - Kaká
Balotelli


More than doable, and not very expensive, especially if that article about us having €45 million to spend is true.

Posted by: Jack Bauer Feb 7 2014, 06:53 PM

QUOTE
“It's an amazing game, isn't it? You can't get a game at Fulham at the bottom of the Premier League and then you go to Milan!

“Years ago to get to Milan you had to be a world-class superstar.

http://www.football-italia.net/44920/%E2%80%98taarabt-must-knuckle-down%E2%80%99


QFT

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Feb 8 2014, 04:22 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 7 2014, 10:23 AM) *
According to Mediaset, we'll sign Alex (32) from PSG for free this summer (2-year contract for €2.8 million per season + option for a third year). We're also far ahead of Juve in regards to Fernando. Agazzi will be the new goalie. Our main objective will be Cerci, whom we want to get by selling Saponara to Parma.

http://www.sportmediaset.mediaset.it/mercato/milan/2014/articoli/1026500/il-milan-del-futuro-arrivano-alex-e-fernando-il-sogno-e-cerci-160-.shtml

Thoughts?

Alex might be okay for us for a bit (in a rotational sense), but similar situation to Essien if you ask me.

I'm not denying that Cerci is an influential player for Torino, but I'm not sure how an actual winger would fit into Milan. Hopefully if one does arrive it adds something extra to the side, and moreover, hopefully if Cerci was to arrive he wouldn't suffer a similar fate of Gilardino (big fish small pond problem)


QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 7 2014, 10:31 AM) *
Tuttosport says we're after Fabio Coentrao for the left flank. He'll cost around €10 million. We might get him on loan or pay his fee in installments. Coentrao on the left in order to definitely place De Sciglio on the right. Doria is our main objective in defense.

http://www.milannews.it/primo-piano/il-milan-di-seedorf-va-su-coentrao-a-giugno-si-pua-chiudere-135839

Anyone ever seen Doria in actual gameplay?


QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 7 2014, 11:46 AM) *
I agree. From those names mentioned, I'd get Fernando and Cerci.

Call me mad, but I think in defense we're quite covered. Abate, Rami, Mexes, MDS as starters, Zapata, Bonera and Emanuelson as subs. Maybe bring another average CB to replace Silvestre.

Obviously Agazzi is a terrible choice for first GK. We should go after Perin or Marchetti.

This is what I'd like to see for next season:

Perin
Abate - Rami - Mexes - MDS
Fernando - Montolivo
Cerci - Honda - Kaká
Balotelli


More than doable, and not very expensive, especially if that article about us having €45 million to spend is true.

According to this article Fernando has signed a contract extension: http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/fernando-reges-signs-new-deal-6686510

I'm not even that familiar with him to be honest (but Im thinking I should be...) *shrugs*

Btw, what 45mil? huh.gif

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 8 2014, 04:27 PM

QUOTE (TriniKing_CE @ Feb 8 2014, 04:22 PM) *
Alex might be okay for us for a bit (in a rotational sense), but similar situation to Essien if you ask me.

I'm not denying that Cerci is an influential player for Torino, but I'm not sure how an actual winger would fit into Milan. Hopefully if one does arrive it adds something extra to the side, and moreover, hopefully if Cerci was to arrive he wouldn't suffer a similar fate of Gilardino (big fish small pond problem)


Well, we need wingers if Seedorf plans on playing with 4-2-3-1.

QUOTE (TriniKing_CE @ Feb 8 2014, 04:22 PM) *
Anyone ever seen Doria in actual gameplay?


Nope, haven't.

QUOTE (TriniKing_CE @ Feb 8 2014, 04:22 PM) *
According to this article Fernando has signed a contract extension: http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/fernando-reges-signs-new-deal-6686510

I'm not even that familiar with him to be honest (but Im thinking I should be...) *shrugs*


Yeah, I saw that. Guess it's goodbye then.

QUOTE (TriniKing_CE @ Feb 8 2014, 04:22 PM) *
Btw, what 45mil? huh.gif


http://www.milanfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=8335&st=15#

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Feb 9 2014, 04:46 PM

Galliani the new scapegoat after Allegri



http://acmilan-fans.com/galliani-the-scapegoat-after-allegri/



... I don't agree with everything written here, but there are some points to be considered.

Have a read.

Posted by: han2503 Feb 9 2014, 05:36 PM

Galliani was always the biggest culprit in the equation. He was the one who kept on insisting with Allegri after all. especially this summer when Roma wanted him, and he's the ones that shoulders the blame for our financial situation as well

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Feb 9 2014, 08:35 PM

QUOTE (TriniKing_CE @ Feb 9 2014, 07:46 PM) *
... I don't agree with everything written here, but there are some points to be considered.

Have a read.


I think his emphasis on the FFP part was weak, this Spring we shall all know if FFP was serious or not. That being said, I agree, why should an owner shell in 60MM each season. If I was the owner, I wouldn't even consider buying Milan in the first place, burning 60MM every year just for a football game, I'd rather invest 60mm every year in Microsoft shares with their cloud computing and all tongue.gif

Point being, this Spring the curtain shall fall on how legitimate FFP is and if the Berlusconi family is actually tightening its wallets or just trying to make the club FFP compliant.

Posted by: acid911 Feb 10 2014, 02:14 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Feb 10 2014, 01:35 AM) *
I'd rather invest 60mm every year in Microsoft shares with their cloud computing and all

Smart guy. king.gif Windows Azure is ready for prime time!

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 10 2014, 05:41 PM

QUOTE
Zenit St Petersburg Chasing AC Milan Striker
Russian powerhouse Zenit St Petersburg have earmarked AC Milan’s Brazilian striker Robinho as their main transfer target.

The Russian club are in the hunt for a marquee striker, and have turned their attention to the Brazilian, after Juventus’ Mirko Vucinic spurned their advances last month.

According to sportdirectnews.com, Zenit coach Luciano Spalletti is an admirer of the 30 year old Brazilian and would like to make a member of his squad before the deadline passes at the end of the month.

Robinho has three goals in 18 Serie A appearances for Milan this campaign.


DO IT!!!!!

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 10 2014, 05:53 PM

"Marquee striker" laugh.gif

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 10 2014, 06:05 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 10 2014, 01:53 PM) *
"Marquee striker" laugh.gif

innocent.gif

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Feb 10 2014, 09:01 PM

QUOTE (acid911 @ Feb 10 2014, 05:14 PM) *
Smart guy. king.gif Windows Azure is ready for prime time!


It is indeed; 99% of corporates world-wide use microsoft products. To have it integrated in a cloud would be a huge plus in terms of not having office/windows-tools in the form of physical disks to install; rather just purchase/cancel a subscription/license off the cloud. What is more interesting here is the new CEO was actually the brains in charge of putting together their cloud service.

Posted by: acid911 Feb 10 2014, 09:15 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Feb 11 2014, 02:01 AM) *
It is indeed; 99% of corporates world-wide use microsoft products. To have it integrated in a cloud would be a huge plus in terms of not having office/windows-tools in the form of physical disks to install; rather just purchase/cancel a subscription/license off the cloud. What is more interesting here is the new CEO was actually the brains in charge of putting together their cloud service.

Agreed. graduated.gif That is why there has been renewed interest in Redmond stock these last two years or so. The new CEO, in collaboration with Bill Gates who will spend more time with the company, can really take things up another couple of levels. I'll be watching things with particular interest here.

Amazon is currently the cloud leader, but Microsoft is not all that far behind as the number one contender.

Posted by: KillerMax Feb 10 2014, 10:38 PM

You off-topic infidels! MODS! OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!

Posted by: acid911 Feb 10 2014, 10:46 PM

QUOTE (KillerMax @ Feb 11 2014, 03:38 AM) *
You off-topic infidels! MODS! OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!

laugh.gif

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 17 2014, 03:53 PM

Cerci is our primary transfer target for this summer. Seedorf has given his constant for the operation. Cerci's contract with Torino ends in 2015. His price is evaluated around €16 million, which is a lot for someone with only one year of contract left. We will try to lower it including Saponara and/or a couple of Primavera players. Juve are also interested in him.

http://www.calciomercato.com/news/milan-su-cerci-c-e-il-prezzo-749064

Posted by: han2503 Feb 17 2014, 05:26 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 17 2014, 03:53 PM) *
Cerci is our primary transfer target for this summer. Seedorf has given his constant for the operation. Cerci's contract with Torino ends in 2015. His price is evaluated around €16 million, which is a lot for someone with only one year of contract left. We will try to lower it including Saponara and/or a couple of Primavera players. Juve are also interested in him.

http://www.calciomercato.com/news/milan-su-cerci-c-e-il-prezzo-749064

Praying for Juve to take him

Spending 16m on a guy who only does well with mid-table clubs is seriously not the right way to go if we want to take a step up next year

We could get Iturbe for 1m less than that FFS!

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 17 2014, 05:29 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 17 2014, 05:26 PM) *
Praying for Juve to take him

Spending 16m on a guy who only does well with mid-table clubs is seriously not the right way to go if we want to take a step up next year

We could get Iturbe for 1m less than that FFS!


I don't think Cerci is worth that much, and I don't think he's as good as some people might him out to be, but you treat him as if he's Traoré or something. I think he'd be a good signing. And I think he's better than Iturbe.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 17 2014, 05:37 PM

Considerably better then Iturbe.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Feb 17 2014, 06:05 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 17 2014, 08:37 PM) *
Considerably better then Iturbe.


Neither, I think we have enough options for the attacking department. If we are lacking depth there, we should look to the primavera.

Otherwise, investments should go into strengthening the defense. If Balotelli is sold in the summer, then a proper CF please.

Posted by: acid911 Feb 17 2014, 06:50 PM

At the expense of Saponara? sad.gif Nah!

Posted by: han2503 Feb 17 2014, 07:24 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 17 2014, 05:29 PM) *
I don't think Cerci is worth that much, and I don't think he's as good as some people might him out to be, but you treat him as if he's Traoré or something. I think he'd be a good signing. And I think he's better than Iturbe.

Calling it like I see it, I never said he was at the level of Traore, but one of many players who thrive in average sides but can't make it in big ones. Add to that he's fast approaching 30.

Iturba is just a young talent and there lies the most important difference between the 2

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 17 2014, 05:37 PM) *
Considerably better then Iturbe.

As I said, Cerci is fast approaching 30, Itrube is still on the right side of the age spectrum

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 17 2014, 08:29 PM

Fast approaching 30??? He's 26 FFS! Now you've done it, han. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Feb 17 2014, 08:38 PM

How fast is fast Han? tongue.gif

Posted by: han2503 Feb 17 2014, 09:35 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 17 2014, 08:29 PM) *
Fast approaching 30??? He's 26 FFS! Now you've done it, han. biggrin.gif

Isn't he 27? Or if not he's turning 27 this year. (Born 1987)

And for a player that relies on speed that's not good, he'll turn 28 during the season that we'll sign him in. How is that a smart investment

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 17 2014, 09:53 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 17 2014, 09:35 PM) *
Isn't he 27? Or if not he's turning 27 this year. (Born 1987)

And for a player that relies on speed that's not good, he'll turn 28 during the season that we'll sign him in. How is that a smart investment


He's 26. His birthday is in July, so technically he won't turn 28 during the season that we'll sign him. He has a good 3-4 seasons ahead of him, and that's for how long we should sign him.

Posted by: Jack Bauer Feb 17 2014, 11:19 PM

http://www.football-italia.net/45323/milan-study-ajax%E2%80%99s-veltman

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 19 2014, 04:07 PM

QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Feb 17 2014, 11:19 PM) *
http://www.football-italia.net/45323/milan-study-ajax%E2%80%99s-veltman


Nice!

According to Mediaset, we are also interested in Jeremain Lens.

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 19 2014, 08:16 PM

I just read that Rosicksy is out of contract at the end of the year, he's 33 but i<ve always rated him as a super sub if the plan is to attack or kill off time with possession. I really doubt he'd cost a lot...

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 19 2014, 10:46 PM

Hmh, he's awfully injury-prone though.

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 19 2014, 10:46 PM

I highly doubt Seedorf will want him.

Posted by: han2503 Feb 19 2014, 11:54 PM

Rosicky?

Nah...

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 20 2014, 12:00 AM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 19 2014, 11:54 PM) *
Rosicky?

Nah...


Yeah, don't want him either.

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 20 2014, 05:14 AM

There we have it then... tongue.gif

Posted by: Linkman Feb 20 2014, 11:19 PM

Are you guys blind? Dude's gonna be free. Galliani will certainly pick him up one a 6M yearly wage, as is the custom with us.

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 20 2014, 11:44 PM

QUOTE (Linkman @ Feb 20 2014, 11:19 PM) *
Are you guys blind? Dude's gonna be free. Galliani will certainly pick him up one a 6M yearly wage, as is the custom with us.


We don't pay €6 million per year since Thiago and Ibra left.

Posted by: acid911 Feb 21 2014, 12:04 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 21 2014, 04:44 AM) *
We don't pay €6 million per year since Thiago and Ibra left.

Sarcasm, X, sarcasm. happy.gif

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 21 2014, 08:19 AM

But I honestly don't think it's gonna happen. We have a new policy and I can't see Seedorf wanting him as well.

Posted by: X-Offender Feb 21 2014, 01:18 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 21 2014, 08:19 AM) *
But I honestly don't think it's gonna happen. We have a new policy and I can't see Seedorf wanting him as well.


Exactly.

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Mar 2 2014, 07:30 PM

So there are reports that there will be bids for balotelli from arsenal and Tottenham.
Arsenal is suposed to bid 45M and Tott will bid lamela + cash....
Due to our lack of wingers (or money...) and having a proven Pazzo on the bench, would you pull the trigger?

Posted by: han2503 Mar 2 2014, 07:35 PM

QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Mar 2 2014, 07:30 PM) *
So there are reports that there will be bids for balotelli from arsenal and Tottenham.
Arsenal is suposed to bid 45M and Tott will bid lamela + cash....
Due to our lack of wingers (or money...) and having a proven Pazzo on the bench, would you pull the trigger?

Don't know, Pazzo is a good striker, but he's not someone who I'd count on to lead the line

45m is a lot, if I'm 100% sure that we'll re-invest that then yeah, I'd probably sell up.

Don't know how true this is anyway, Balo is a great potential, but he's yet to prove that consistently, add to that he's a huge head case that many clubs would be hard pressed to trust

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Mar 2 2014, 08:01 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Mar 2 2014, 03:35 PM) *
Don't know, Pazzo is a good striker, but he's not someone who I'd count on to lead the line

45m is a lot, if I'm 100% sure that we'll re-invest that then yeah, I'd probably sell up.

Don't know how true this is anyway, Balo is a great potential, but he's yet to prove that consistently, add to that he's a huge head case that many clubs would be hard pressed to trust

I would almost go as far as saying, positionally, Pazzo offers a bigger box presence then Balo does, as he's always in and around the 6 yard area and rarely isolates himself on the wing.

It does seem as though Seedorf might be able to work with Balo, from the early signs, but we've said this of Mancini and Prandelli without much in terms of results.

This is a big year for Balo, a new player's coach, the prospect of missing out on the CL, World Cup year, new child, same tabloid following...

It's impossible to know whether he'd want to stay or not. I personally feel as though he wouldn't mind staying on for a year as I think he is happiest in Italy, but what goes through the boy's head is a mystery to all...

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Mar 3 2014, 07:52 PM

But why ....

What if you need to fill the void of no CL money, that void being losses?

What if the player himself started throwing a fit about leaving the club, because PSG or Madrid offered him 8M a season, net?

What if the player decides Milan is nice, but in order to win he needs to move to Juventus?

... But because

Posted by: Forza Milan! Mar 6 2014, 04:41 AM

Milan up for sale?

<http://www.goal.com/it/news/2/serie-a/2014/03/05/4664206/berlusconi-molla-il-milan-cerca-acquirenti-ma-fininvest>

The news apparently came out on Bloomberg, though Fininvest denied.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Mar 6 2014, 06:36 AM

QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Mar 6 2014, 07:41 AM) *
Milan up for sale?

<http://www.goal.com/it/news/2/serie-a/2014/03/05/4664206/berlusconi-molla-il-milan-cerca-acquirenti-ma-fininvest>

The news apparently came out on Bloomberg, though Fininvest denied.


I believe this is the best course of action, especially considering the situation with regards to FFP. However, I am a bit skeptical as to the incoming investor(s) and what their strategy is towards Milan.

QUOTE
“As evidenced by the recent purchases of Inter and AS Roma, Serie A and certain of its clubs are great brands,” said Chuck Baker, a partner with DLA Piper’s Global Sports Media and Entertainment practice, whose clients include AS Roma and Pallotta’s Raptor Capital Management LP. “If we can bring U.S. and other global sports marketing and merchandising strategies, newer facilities and an improved fan experience, the investments have tremendous upside potential.”


Hope for the best!

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 12 2014, 10:59 PM

According to Sky we've signed Alex (31) from PSG and we're really interested in Adebayor (30).

Youth project my āss. sleep.gif

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Mar 12 2014, 11:44 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 12 2014, 06:59 PM) *
...and we're really interested in Adebayor (30).

Youth project my āss. sleep.gif

Didn't want him ever since the 1st time we were being linked with him (back in his days at Arsenal) and I'm not interested with him now!

NO thanks!!!

Posted by: acid911 Mar 13 2014, 12:18 AM

QUOTE (TriniKing_CE @ Mar 13 2014, 04:44 AM) *
Didn't want him ever since the 1st time we were being linked with him (back in his days at Arsenal) and I'm not interested with him now!

Well put. I was the same when we were first linked with him. sleep.gif Another midranger.

QUOTE (TriniKing_CE @ Mar 13 2014, 04:44 AM) *
NO thanks!!!

You bet! mad.gif

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 13 2014, 07:52 AM

Well, Alex isn't what we need but he's a good addition anyway.

Posted by: ganney Mar 13 2014, 02:48 PM

i'd take adebayor, i thought he was excellent playing as a lone striker against, maldini,nesta,kaladze,oddo back in the 2008 game against aresenal + he's found his form again

what are our options anyway? balotelli will probably be sold.
Without funds, shouldn't we have scouts all over South America looking for talent rather than signing players past their prime on fat contracts

Posted by: kurtsimonw Mar 13 2014, 03:59 PM

I'm not a fan of his, but he's basically single handedly keeping Spurs in the CL race this season.

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 13 2014, 04:30 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Mar 13 2014, 07:52 AM) *
Well, Alex isn't what we need but he's a good addition anyway.


No man, enough with +30 players! The only reason we're signing him is because his contract expires. Another free agent for Galliani's pleasures. We should go after promising youngsters instead, like Veltman or Dória, whilst they're still on the cheap. We have an aspiring coach, time to build a project around him. You can't do that with Alex, Essien and Adebayor.

QUOTE (ganney @ Mar 13 2014, 02:48 PM) *
i'd take adebayor, i thought he was excellent playing as a lone striker against, maldini,nesta,kaladze,oddo back in the 2008 game against aresenal + he's found his form again

what are our options anyway? balotelli will probably be sold.
Without funds, shouldn't we have scouts all over South America looking for talent rather than signing players past their prime on fat contracts


That was six years ago! He's been a joke ever since he left Arsenal, and he's 30 years old FFS!

If we wanna go after someone cheap, I'd sign Immobile. Otherwise I'd spend some money and get Dzeko. He'd be the best solution. But first we have to sell Balotelli and make up the cash.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Mar 13 2014, 05:57 PM

You know what I want. I'm actually all for 30+ players now. Just let them be fucking winners. Not these bunch of pansies we've got. Some people who've won something and have got balls.

Otherwise we can buy all the talented youth we want, but if all they have to look up to is Mario "I play more on twitter than the field" Balotelli then they're just wasting themselves away.

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 13 2014, 06:27 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Mar 13 2014, 05:57 PM) *
You know what I want. I'm actually all for 30+ players now. Just let them be fucking winners. Not these bunch of pansies we've got. Some people who've won something and have got balls.

Otherwise we can buy all the talented youth we want, but if all they have to look up to is Mario "I play more on twitter than the field" Balotelli then they're just wasting themselves away.


Isn't Essien that kind of player? Kaká too? Yet they suck nowadays. Besides, everyone knows Adebayor is a f*cking mercenary.

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Mar 15 2014, 02:03 AM

I've heard from a Madrid friend of mine that it's rumored we're interested in Diego Lopez and are looking to offer around 10mil for him. Apparently we've already contacted the player as well.

Thoughts?!

Posted by: kurtsimonw Mar 15 2014, 03:36 AM

He's about as good as we can realistically get, but that's too much for a 32 year old.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 15 2014, 08:53 AM

Yeah. Serie A has good keepers in Perin and that Udinese guy, we should bring one of them.

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 15 2014, 10:54 AM

Isn't he Madrid's starting GK? Why would they sell him? It's not like they need the money.

I agree with Fillipo. Perin, Scuffet or Marchetti should be our objectives.

But I doubt we'll sign anyone since we've already signed freaking Agazzi, who according to most sources will be our new starting goalie. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 15 2014, 11:32 PM

Good God. Another mediocre fail. Can't get why we didn't go after Perin at least. Galliani is really becoming totally useless.

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 15 2014, 11:42 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Mar 15 2014, 11:32 PM) *
Good God. Another mediocre fail. Can't get why we didn't go after Perin at least. Galliani is really becoming totally useless.


It's becoming unbearable. sad.gif

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 16 2014, 12:19 PM

Voices from Spain suggest that we won't sign Rami at the end of the season.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 16 2014, 03:51 PM

Yeah, bring in Lucarelli from Parma and we're good.

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 17 2014, 09:28 PM

Mediaset report that Monaco are interested in Balotelli.

Sell, sell, sell.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 18 2014, 10:17 PM

These rumours are really depressing

I think it's just pointless to even hope and speculate, as long as Galliani is still here we'll keep seeing the same cycle over and over.

- A hundred exchanges with Genoa.
- A couple of freebies for 2m per year contracts just for the hell of it and so later we can have an excuse for why we can't spend
- A decent purchase of around 6 to 10m and declare market as closed and that we're competitive as we are
- Some last minute big name (not necessarily a good thing) so that Galliani can toot his own horn and then hold over the fans' heads for being ungrateful
- Close out the summer window with a hugely inflated squad size of some good and some mediocre players and an even more grotesquely huge wage bill which supersedes that of Juve who are winning titles while we can't get into the top half of the table
- And thanking the president of course who has more trophies than any other president in existence.

Rinse, repeat

Posted by: Forza Milan! Mar 20 2014, 04:17 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Mar 18 2014, 11:17 PM) *
These rumours are really depressing

I think it's just pointless to even hope and speculate, as long as Galliani is still here we'll keep seeing the same cycle over and over.

- A hundred exchanges with Genoa.
- A couple of freebies for 2m per year contracts just for the hell of it and so later we can have an excuse for why we can't spend
- A decent purchase of around 6 to 10m and declare market as closed and that we're competitive as we are
- Some last minute big name (not necessarily a good thing) so that Galliani can toot his own horn and then hold over the fans' heads for being ungrateful
- Close out the summer window with a hugely inflated squad size of some good and some mediocre players and an even more grotesquely huge wage bill which supersedes that of Juve who are winning titles while we can't get into the top half of the table
- And thanking the president of course who has more trophies than any other president in existence.

Rinse, repeat

Yup. More of the same, and the downward spiral continues. And, unfortunately, it looks like we are stuck with Galliani for some time.

Posted by: X-Offender Mar 21 2014, 06:35 PM

Balotelli: "If I'm a burden for the fans then I can very well leave.."

http://www.sportmediaset.mediaset.it/calcio/milan/2014/articoli/1030182/milan-balotelli-si-sfoga-se-sono-un-peso-per-i-tifosi-posso-anche-andare-via-.shtml

Posted by: acid911 Mar 21 2014, 07:00 PM


Posted by: TriniKing_CE Mar 22 2014, 03:39 PM

I agree he certainly has not been up to par recently, but...

I don't see us getting a better investment in a forward than Balo with our limited funds & lack of attraction nowadays.

We can be upset and whine over Balo's lack of dedication, determination & focus, but despite all of that he is still one of our few players that we can actually depend on providing a worthy performance at times.

Bottom line is, as it stands we can do NO better than Balo in terms of his talent & all round attributes.

We are expecting that the money we get from his sale will be reinvested in a similarly talented forward, but when last have we seen that happen? ...so what makes us think it's gonna be any different this time?

Posted by: Forza Milan! Mar 23 2014, 04:14 PM

QUOTE (TriniKing_CE @ Mar 22 2014, 04:39 PM) *
I agree he certainly has not been up to par recently, but...

I don't see us getting a better investment in a forward than Balo with our limited funds & lack of attraction nowadays.

We can be upset and whine over Balo's lack of dedication, determination & focus, but despite all of that he is still one of our few players that we can actually depend on providing a worthy performance at times.

Bottom line is, as it stands we can do NO better than Balo in terms of his talent & all round attributes.

We are expecting that the money we get from his sale will be reinvested in a similarly talented forward, but when last have we seen that happen? ...so what makes us think it's gonna be any different this time?

Disagree.

He shows occasional signs of brilliance but he is far from consistent and way too moody. He has the tendency to disappear in big games. He is a yellow card / red card magnet. Tired of waiting for him to "mature" or to "blossom" (he is almost 24, not 18!)

Hope he has a great WC and we sell him somewhere (maybe Napoli, they seem to want him).

I am sure we can find someone that is cheaper and better, and by better I will take reasonably consistent over occasionally brilliant.

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Mar 23 2014, 04:21 PM

I just read that Kagawa (Honda's BFF) might be on the way out of Man Utd...

Considering how dispensable/unproven/finished Robi, Kaka, Taraabt, Saponara and Birsa all are, I think throwing Kagawa into the mix would be wonderful...

I am of those who think SES needs to be given a chance to play/regain his value

..........Balo
SES....Honda....Kagawa
......Monto...Poli/NDJ.......

Posted by: han2503 Mar 23 2014, 07:41 PM

QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Mar 23 2014, 04:21 PM) *
I just read that Kagawa (Honda's BFF) might be on the way out of Man Utd...

Considering how dispensable/unproven/finished Robi, Kaka, Taraabt, Saponara and Birsa all are, I think throwing Kagawa into the mix would be wonderful...

I am of those who think SES needs to be given a chance to play/regain his value

..........Balo
SES....Honda....Kagawa
......Monto...Poli/NDJ.......

I think we need to wait and see if Honda adapts before we start talking about Kagawa

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 1 2014, 08:48 PM

Taarabt agent: "There's an agreement between Milan and Fulham to sign him for €3-4 million at the end of the season"

http://www.sportmediaset.mediaset.it/calcio/calcio/2014/articoli/1031106/-il-milan-riscattera-taarabt-.shtml

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Apr 2 2014, 04:32 AM

Fulham? I thought he was with QPR?

But considering the original option was 6 million, this is a good deal. Is it worth it though?

Posted by: dst Apr 2 2014, 01:03 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 1 2014, 07:48 PM) *
Taarabt agent: "There's an agreement between Milan and Fulham to sign him for €3-4 million at the end of the season"

http://www.sportmediaset.mediaset.it/calcio/calcio/2014/articoli/1031106/-il-milan-riscattera-taarabt-.shtml

Yes! This is huge! Biggest signing since Honda.

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 2 2014, 01:24 PM

laugh.gif

Posted by: kurtsimonw Apr 3 2014, 03:36 AM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Apr 2 2014, 05:32 AM) *
Fulham? I thought he was with QPR?

But considering the original option was 6 million, this is a good deal. Is it worth it though?

think it just shows how desperate Fulham are to get rid of him. Which doesn't say a lot about the player.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Apr 3 2014, 04:32 AM

Tbh, it could also do with his wage. I think Fulham are relegation risks at the moment, and I don't think they could afford Taraabt in a lower division.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 3 2014, 08:53 AM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Apr 3 2014, 03:36 AM) *
think it just shows how desperate Fulham are to get rid of him. Which doesn't say a lot about the player.

I don't think he's short of talent. He's a good player, but his attitude leaves a lot to be desired. I'm still not sure about him, in terms of should we sign him permanently or not. He's shown glimpses of what he can do, he's worked hard for the team as well. But his no pass attitude, and his previous history has me thinking that we shouldn't jump the gun, of course 4m is still a very cheap price for someone like him and he will be useful for us next season.

It mostly depends on the wage we're going to give him and if we're going to buy a proper winger for this system Seedorf wants to play

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 3 2014, 09:49 AM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Apr 3 2014, 03:36 AM) *
think it just shows how desperate Fulham are to get rid of him. Which doesn't say a lot about the player.


Why does that matter? You have your own eyes, you have seen him play many times with us, give your opinion based on what you've seen, not on what Fulham rejecting him might mean.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Apr 3 2014, 11:38 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 3 2014, 10:49 AM) *
Why does that matter? You have your own eyes, you have seen him play many times with us, give your opinion based on what you've seen, not on what Fulham rejecting him might mean.

My opinion is based on his performances, backed up by Fulham wanting rid for so little.

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 3 2014, 04:08 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Apr 3 2014, 11:38 AM) *
My opinion is based on his performances, backed up by Fulham wanting rid for so little.


Good, glad we cleared that out. So, he hasn't been good enough for you to sign for €3-4 million?

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Apr 12 2014, 02:24 AM

Ok so We've been linked to Krul and Ochoa. I find it sad that Gabriel didn't get more support then he did because i saw his U-19(IIRC) tournament and he was sensational for brazil. That being said, Ochoa is a technical phenom and Krul is certainly reliable, but could cost a prime penny... I would LOVE it if Ochoa became our number 1, he's freakishly athletic and would generate a new market for us In mexico (think of shirt sales, now that Chicharaito has only just started playing for united...) Did i mention Ajaccio (his current club, spl?) is getting relegated and can't afford not to sell him...?

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Apr 12 2014, 05:49 AM

I always thought Ochoa was like the Ganso of keepers. There was so much noise about him and how everyone wants him, but then why didn't anyone snap him up.

Plenty of top clubs that needed keepers. Barca for example?

Not questioning your judgement here though since I haven't seen him play. But are we sure he's that good?

About Krul, Newcastle being my second club, I'll just have to flip you the bird. He's the last bit of quality we've got. You want to take that way too?!! sad.gif

Posted by: milanbuf88 Apr 12 2014, 05:12 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Apr 12 2014, 01:49 AM) *
I always thought Ochoa was like the Ganso of keepers. There was so much noise about him and how everyone wants him, but then why didn't anyone snap him up.

Plenty of top clubs that needed keepers. Barca for example?

Not questioning your judgement here though since I haven't seen him play. But are we sure he's that good?

About Krul, Newcastle being my second club, I'll just have to flip you the bird. He's the last bit of quality we've got. You want to take that way too?!! sad.gif


Since Newcastle is your second team how is Santon playing these days? I always liked him and wanted us to grab him.

Posted by: Jack Bauer Apr 13 2014, 07:36 PM

footballitalia ‏@footballitalia
Adriano Galliani confirmed #Milan want to buy both Rami and Taarabt, but want "a discount." #QPR #Valencia

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Apr 13 2014, 07:59 PM

QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Apr 13 2014, 08:36 PM) *
footballitalia ‏@footballitalia
Adriano Galliani confirmed #Milan want to buy both Rami and Taarabt, but want "a discount." #QPR #Valencia

#Gallaini the most cheap man on the planet dry.gif

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Apr 14 2014, 07:37 AM

QUOTE (milanbuf88 @ Apr 12 2014, 11:42 PM) *
Since Newcastle is your second team how is Santon playing these days? I always liked him and wanted us to grab him.


Pretty poor actually. But then the team as a whole has been playing badly. Comes from having guaranteed mid-table safety with nothing to play for. Lots of criticism being hurled at the manager and team.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Apr 14 2014, 01:51 PM

Anyone got a list of player who will be out of contract come summer? I think we should take a look and consider our options.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 14 2014, 05:30 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 14 2014, 01:51 PM) *
Anyone got a list of player who will be out of contract come summer? I think we should take a look and consider our options.

We usually still manage to pick the duds out of a decent list of free agents

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Apr 14 2014, 05:44 PM

http://www.transfermarkt.com/en/spieler/vertragsende/basics.html
To be honest I wouldn't touch anyone here. I like Larssen but we got Monto and Cristante so...no and I liked what I saw of Boyata a few years ago, but apparently he's dropped considerably since....besides we got pacifico, vargas and salomon as far as youth with potential goes...also we need to trim some of our 30+ backup CBs..

On the whole.....unless a big name gets cut soon, I wouldn't touch anyone on this list...

http://www.transfermarkt.com/en/spieler/vertragsende/basics_L1_2014.html
I don't know this list that well, but I know Rincon is sort of a Poli-lite. So depending on what we do with poli, he might be interesting...I doubt it though as he's a non-EU player i think.

http://www.transfermarkt.com/en/spieler/vertragsende/basics_FR1_2014.html

Obviously Menez is the real prize of this list, but i doubt we could offer him what he'll get elsewhere...Alex? do we really need him? i'd rather leave the EU spots open unless we absolutely have to fill the spot...

I would flat out sign Ochoa tomorrow, as a starter ahead of Agazzi and Gabriel, he's really gifted at flying from side to side, used to be overrated, now he's gotten a lot better and has become underrated.

http://www.transfermarkt.com/en/spieler/vertragsende/basics_ES1_2014.html

Lot's of interesting names here, Diego could be an option considering we play 3 AMs and he has an Italian passport...Musacchio would be tremendous value considering age, upside, experience and his italian passport..
Also Gaspar might be nice if we really do plan on selling Abate and not start MDS every chance available...plus we've been linked to him before

http://www.transfermarkt.com/en/spieler/vertragsende/basics_IT1_2014.html

I won't lie, the only name that gets me excited here is Muru. has had a good year on a bad team, has some youth international experience AND the idea of a MDS/Muru partnership at RB/LB would really perk me up...especially without the pressures of the CL for next year...Drame is also an interesting cheap-pickup as a backup LB should constant and eman leave...


EDIT: These are just my thoughts regarding the list, Obviously I'd love for us to buy and loan Murru and buy Contrao...

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Apr 14 2014, 05:50 PM

Later I'll try to do a relegation list, including what I think are the talents that we must poach from the doom of the second divisions.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Apr 14 2014, 06:15 PM

Rincon? Man, Rincon is miles away from Poli. Also, he prefers to play in a different position. No, I don't think we should even consider this one. Also a big no to Diego. He recently moved to Atletico so a transfer is unlike, but he has a nasty personality and is quite unpredictable, not managing to line up more then two or three good showings in a row.

I'd take Sagna from England, also one of Diouf and Ya Konan of Germany; Menez and Alex obviously from France, maybe Molinaro and Drame from Italy. But all in all rather poor choices.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Apr 14 2014, 06:34 PM

Sunderland look like going down and have Giaccherini, so he will leave at a cut price. That's such a Milan transfer.

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Apr 14 2014, 07:56 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 14 2014, 02:15 PM) *
Rincon? Man, Rincon is miles away from Poli. Also, he prefers to play in a different position. No, I don't think we should even consider this one. Also a big no to Diego. He recently moved to Atletico so a transfer is unlike, but he has a nasty personality and is quite unpredictable, not managing to line up more then two or three good showings in a row.

I'd take Sagna from England, also one of Diouf and Ya Konan of Germany; Menez and Alex obviously from France, maybe Molinaro and Drame from Italy. But all in all rather poor choices.

fair point to Rincon (and i would honestly prefer we buy out the remainding 50% of poli, lest i sound greety)
Diego is such a milan buy, attitude, flashes of good talent, good FK-taker....I'm not sold on molinaro, but i'm glad we agree on Drame, who i find as a much better prospect then Constant ever was (and he actually plays LB)

Posted by: han2503 Apr 14 2014, 10:44 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Apr 14 2014, 06:34 PM) *
Sunderland look like going down and have Giaccherini, so he will leave at a cut price. That's such a Milan transfer.

Just reading this made my head hurt!

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 16 2014, 10:14 AM

According to Gazzetta and Corriere, Seedorf is 100% going to leave Milan soon.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Apr 16 2014, 10:25 AM

What? Why?

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 16 2014, 10:26 AM

Incompatibility with Galliani and some players.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Apr 16 2014, 11:06 AM

That would be a complete waste. Unbelievable how this club runs - we finally manage to draw up a favorable row of wins and good results. But instead of backing up the coach and give the team an extra push, we once again start washing our dirty laundry in public.

This is Galliani's doing, no doubt. He's done the same with Leonardo. Pushed him away because he knew something about Milan, football and what a big club needs or wants. While he covered Allegri for years because of the opposite. Pathetic.

Posted by: littlechris Apr 16 2014, 11:35 AM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 16 2014, 12:06 PM) *
That would be a complete waste. Unbelievable how this club runs - we finally manage to draw up a favorable row of wins and good results. But instead of backing up the coach and give the team an extra push, we once again start washing our dirty laundry in public.

This is Galliani's doing, no doubt. He's done the same with Leonardo. Pushed him away because he knew something about Milan, football and what a big club needs or wants. While he covered Allegri for years because of the opposite. Pathetic.


Check out this not too old piece on Milan..
http://www.footballsnippet.com/a-snapshot-on-milan-present-crisis-and-future-solutions/

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 16 2014, 11:36 AM

Actually, it was Silvio who pushed Leonardo away. Galliani tried to change his mind.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 16 2014, 01:25 PM

I'll just wait to see what happens before we push any panic buttons.


But if it does happen I wouldn be surprised at all. Typcial Galliani and the "new Milan"

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Apr 16 2014, 01:39 PM

Yes, now I remember. Well, it's time the two guys stop playing and agree to be beneficial for the club.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Apr 16 2014, 02:12 PM

If Seedorf is stepping out, Pippo is stepping in. He is the only one who will. What I read claims that problems are not just Galliani is pissed off or jealous of him.

Apparently he has problems in the locker room with Montolivo, De Sciglio, Abbiati etc. and they want him out or something. unsure.gif

Posted by: acid911 Apr 16 2014, 02:27 PM


Posted by: han2503 Apr 16 2014, 03:56 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Apr 16 2014, 02:12 PM) *
If Seedorf is stepping out, Pippo is stepping in. He is the only one who will. What I read claims that problems are not just Galliani is pissed off or jealous of him.

Apparently he has problems in the locker room with Montolivo, De Sciglio, Abbiati etc. and they want him out or something. unsure.gif

That list of names is really strange...

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 16 2014, 06:41 PM

I read it had mostly to do with Abate and Montolivo.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 16 2014, 06:48 PM

I would wager it is just media talk. Afterall, if everything was awe so rosy, how interesting would their reads be?

Seedorf was signed on with no experience, yet was prepped to take over this summer, however he was hired 6 months prior.

Seedorf's stance is that the current team is not up to par with what Milan has set as targets, hence his requests for a better squad could very well be the catalyst to all this talk.

I believe Seedorf would continue, if only for one more season (full season). If the results arrived we continue, if not, we part ways. But to go through three coaches in less than 6 months, that is something unprecedented at Milan. Only the likes of Palermo have done such a thing.

My two cents on it all, its all too premature.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Apr 17 2014, 06:38 AM

Actually, I think we've done this in the 1990's.

Posted by: Forza Milan! Apr 17 2014, 07:58 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Apr 16 2014, 07:48 PM) *
Only the likes of Palermo have done such a thing.

Or Inter :-)

Posted by: Forza Milan! Apr 18 2014, 12:55 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Apr 16 2014, 07:48 PM) *
I would wager it is just media talk. Afterall, if everything was awe so rosy, how interesting would their reads be?

Seedorf was signed on with no experience, yet was prepped to take over this summer, however he was hired 6 months prior.

Seedorf's stance is that the current team is not up to par with what Milan has set as targets, hence his requests for a better squad could very well be the catalyst to all this talk.

I believe Seedorf would continue, if only for one more season (full season). If the results arrived we continue, if not, we part ways. But to go through three coaches in less than 6 months, that is something unprecedented at Milan. Only the likes of Palermo have done such a thing.

My two cents on it all, its all too premature.

Media talk or not, the rumors are continuing. The latest is that Seedorf will go even if we reach 5th place (http://www.goal.com/it/news/2/serie-a/2014/04/18/4760253/seedorf-e-il-milan-sempre-pi%C3%B9-distanti-il-quinto-posto-forse-non-?ICID=HP_BN_8). Incompatibilities with Galliani and some of the players (Monto and Abate) as well as too much public debate with Curva Sud are cited as the reasons. Though it looks like this will happen at the end of the season (not before).

Posted by: Forza Milan! Apr 18 2014, 02:05 PM

QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Apr 18 2014, 01:55 PM) *
Media talk or not, the rumors are continuing. The latest is that Seedorf will go even if we reach 5th place (http://www.goal.com/it/news/2/serie-a/2014/04/18/4760253/seedorf-e-il-milan-sempre-pi%C3%B9-distanti-il-quinto-posto-forse-non-?ICID=HP_BN_8). Incompatibilities with Galliani and some of the players (Monto and Abate) as well as too much public debate with Curva Sud are cited as the reasons. Though it looks like this will happen at the end of the season (not before).

Yet Seedorf does not believe he is in trouble (http://www.goal.com/it/news/2/serie-a/2014/04/18/4759774/seedorf-si-incatena-al-milan-sono-sicuro-di-rimanere-il-prossimo-?ICID=HP_BN_11).

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 18 2014, 03:02 PM

This is ridiculous.

Posted by: acid911 Apr 18 2014, 03:57 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 18 2014, 08:02 PM) *
This is ridiculous.

What isn't these days? sad.gif

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 20 2014, 12:42 PM

Apparently ManU are interested in Rami and thus Valencia want to raise his price of €7 million.

http://www.milannews.it/calciomercato-milan/milan-si-complica-il-riscatto-di-rami-il-valencia-vuole-aprire-un-asta-142452

Posted by: han2503 Apr 20 2014, 02:38 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 20 2014, 12:42 PM) *
Apparently ManU are interested in Rami and thus Valencia want to raise his price of €7 million.

http://www.milannews.it/calciomercato-milan/milan-si-complica-il-riscatto-di-rami-il-valencia-vuole-aprire-un-asta-142452

Don't we have a loan with option to buy at a fixed price?

I don't think Valencia have any say on the price should we choose to exercise the right of purchase we have on him

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 20 2014, 03:29 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Apr 20 2014, 02:38 PM) *
Don't we have a loan with option to buy at a fixed price?

I don't think Valencia have any say on the price should we choose to exercise the right of purchase we have on him


I don't think there's a fixed fee on the price.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 20 2014, 04:11 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 20 2014, 03:29 PM) *
I don't think there's a fixed fee on the price.

The 6m amount has been mentioned every time Rami's situation is brought up, I'd have thought that's an already agreed upon amount considering all the time it's been mentioned... unsure.gif

Posted by: William405 Apr 20 2014, 06:52 PM

I think it's fixed. That's what I read on football-italia.net.
Galliani though wants to buy him for cheaper than 7m. That's the problem.

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 28 2014, 01:23 AM

Looks like Seedorf's a goner for good come the end of the season. Too bad it didn't work out.

Posted by: acid911 Apr 28 2014, 03:10 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 28 2014, 06:23 AM) *
Looks like Seedorf's a goner for good come the end of the season. Too bad it didn't work out.

Mind numbing, really. unsure.gif But probably that was always the plan? To get a big name coach after the World Cup, Prandelli maybe. Or someone else, someone that is not an experiment. We'll see, I guess.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 28 2014, 07:48 AM

QUOTE (acid911 @ Apr 28 2014, 03:10 AM) *
Mind numbing, really. unsure.gif But probably that was always the plan? To get a big name coach after the World Cup, Prandelli maybe. Or someone else, someone that is not an experiment. We'll see, I guess.

No I don't buy that.

Had that been the plan they would have allowed Tasso to take over as interim coach and saved everyone all this hassle, especially for Seedorf who gave up playing when he was still doing very well in the Brazilian league. And they wouldn't have given him a 2 and a half year contract either.

This is just stupid and completely illustrates why we are where we are these days as an institution as well as a team

Now let's see how they handle this, probably waste the entire summer to bring in a new coach with no time left to make some proper changes to a squad that needs a serious clean up

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Apr 28 2014, 07:57 AM

If after all this they just hand the job to Inzaghi, I'll be surprised. Because it would be a pointless exercise.

Anyone thinks that Spalletti getting fired had something to do with it?

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 28 2014, 10:44 AM

No, I don't think Spalletti has anything to do with it. The club just doesn't want him. I read an article yesterday where it pointed a few of Seedorf's mistakes that cost him the job. They included ignoring suggestions from the players, his technical decisions (playing MDS on the right, continuously benching Abate and Poli, not playing Balo and Pazzo together), the way his personal entourage invaded the space of the club's press office, his quirky comments (3/4 of the roster is inadequate) etc.

Now, I understand that the guy did make mistakes, but I think the club is exaggerating the case. Can't this be resolved via talks? Berlusconi hasn't called Seedorf since Lazio-Milan, Barbara when asked yesterday about Seedorf's future said it's not her duty to talk about that, and Galliani simply wants him out. Not sure what his relationship with the players is, but I assume some of them don't particularly like him either.

It's really too bad this didn't work out. The guy gave up playing to become our coach. We could and should have handled the situation better. It is Seedorf after all, a Milan legend, not just some random person.

Posted by: acid911 Apr 28 2014, 11:31 AM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Apr 28 2014, 12:57 PM) *
If after all this they just hand the job to Inzaghi, I'll be surprised. Because it would be a pointless exercise.

I'd be surprised if it's anyone else to be honest. sleep.gif Really I'd be.

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 28 2014, 03:44 PM) *
It's really too bad this didn't work out. The guy gave up playing to become our coach. We could and should have handled the situation better. It is Seedorf after all, a Milan legend, not just some random person.

This. mellow.gif I wasn't too keen of him coming here in the first place, but this is no way to go.

Posted by: Forza Milan! Apr 28 2014, 01:39 PM

QUOTE (acid911 @ Apr 28 2014, 12:31 PM) *
I'd be surprised if it's anyone else to be honest. sleep.gif Really I'd be.

This. mellow.gif I wasn't too keen of him coming here in the first place, but this is no way to go.

Yup, it looks to me like it will be Inzaghi.

BTW, I do not think this was part of some grand plan (that would be giving too much credit to the people running Milan these days). Rather, I believe Seedorf was Berlu's decision, Galliani was against it, and now he is leveraging some mistakes made by Seedorf to get his way and re-establish his influence.

Truly depressing. Not just the fact that I was starting to like what Seedorf is doing to the team (style of play and results), but also the fact that this is yet another indication of how truly messed up our management has become. So count me on the list of those hoping Berlu will sell the club to someone else (hopefully someone who will get rid of all the clowns).

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 28 2014, 01:41 PM

QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Apr 28 2014, 01:39 PM) *
Yup, it looks to me like it will be Inzaghi.

BTW, I do not think this was part of some grand plan (that would be giving too much credit to the people running Milan these days). Rather, I believe Seedorf was Berlu's decision, Galliani was against it, and now he is leveraging some mistakes made by Seedorf to get his way and re-establish his influence.

Truly depressing. Not just the fact that I was starting to like what Seedorf is doing to the team (style of play and results), but also the fact that this is yet another indication of how truly messed up our management has become. So count me on the list of those hoping Berlu will sell the club to someone else (hopefully someone who will get rid of all the clowns).


Yep, precisely.

Posted by: acid911 Apr 28 2014, 02:15 PM

QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Apr 28 2014, 06:39 PM) *
Yup, it looks to me like it will be Inzaghi.

BTW, I do not think this was part of some grand plan (that would be giving too much credit to the people running Milan these days). Rather, I believe Seedorf was Berlu's decision, Galliani was against it, and now he is leveraging some mistakes made by Seedorf to get his way and re-establish his influence.

Truly depressing. Not just the fact that I was starting to like what Seedorf is doing to the team (style of play and results), but also the fact that this is yet another indication of how truly messed up our management has become. So count me on the list of those hoping Berlu will sell the club to someone else (hopefully someone who will get rid of all the clowns).

Agreed with everything. sleep.gif

Posted by: Jack Bauer Apr 28 2014, 11:56 PM

Good post, Forza. Yeah, the only real solution I can see is if Berlu will finally sell the club, hopefully to someone serious who will be motivated to turn this mess around. Till then we are stuck with these clowns ruining the team further and further.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Apr 29 2014, 11:10 PM

So you guys seem sold on the idea of letting Seedorf go? I really don't know. What kind of a signal would that give? Especially after clinching with Allegri for so long.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Apr 30 2014, 06:12 AM

I don't like these kind of hirings, they seem to be all about the ego. If a rookie coach does great "I found him, I am the genius that appointed him!" and if he fails "He's a rookie coach, he made a lot of mistakes, it's all his fault".

Posted by: acid911 Apr 30 2014, 07:12 AM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 30 2014, 04:10 AM) *
So you guys seem sold on the idea of letting Seedorf go? I really don't know. What kind of a signal would that give? Especially after clinching with Allegri for so long.

Not me, sister! tongue.gif I totally agree with you here, it would just send the wrong signal. Not that we've sent several of these in the past few years. And although I am not totally sold on Seedorf (he just might come out good, but he has that twisted baggage with him, ego, maybe), this is no way to go about things.

The real cancer, as I said before, is Galliani, as long as he is running things there won't be any sense of stability in AC Milan. The guy's probably just past it, be my guess. So many mistakes in the past well, decade, really. sad.gif But yeah, unless his performances suggested this, letting go of Seedorf is well a cheap shot.

Posted by: acid911 Apr 30 2014, 07:13 AM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Apr 30 2014, 11:12 AM) *
I don't like these kind of hirings, they seem to be all about the ego. If a rookie coach does great "I found him, I am the genius that appointed him!" and if he fails "He's a rookie coach, he made a lot of mistakes, it's all his fault".

Neither do I, but to be honest, Seedorf may be a rookie but he is a class player. smile.gif Knows the game inside out. I'd much rather take a risk on him than on someone like Inzaghi (before he is proven, of course). So while I can see where the signing comes form, but really, man, it's downright despicable all round.

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 30 2014, 12:33 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 29 2014, 11:10 PM) *
So you guys seem sold on the idea of letting Seedorf go? I really don't know. What kind of a signal would that give? Especially after clinching with Allegri for so long.


Err, no, I don't think anyone of us want him out, at least not now. But he's getting fired, that's for sure.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Apr 30 2014, 12:33 PM

Why is it sure?

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 30 2014, 12:44 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 30 2014, 12:33 PM) *
Why is it sure?


Because everyone, and I mean everyone is saying so. And the circumstances seem to vindicate their opinion.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Apr 30 2014, 01:04 PM

I don't know. As I said, I'm not sold on the idea yet.

Posted by: Forza Milan! Apr 30 2014, 04:49 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 30 2014, 12:10 AM) *
So you guys seem sold on the idea of letting Seedorf go? I really don't know. What kind of a signal would that give? Especially after clinching with Allegri for so long.

No, I am not sold at all. In fact, I kind of like what Seedorf is trying to do. Never was fully convinced he was the right person for the job, but now that we have appointed him in the role I think he deserves more than a half season (especially after we kept his predecessor a lot longer than we should have).

However, it looks like he is on his way out.

Posted by: Forza Milan! Apr 30 2014, 04:52 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 30 2014, 01:33 PM) *
Why is it sure?

Only things sure in life are death and taxes. However, it looks very, very likely that he is on his way out. His recent unauthorized interview did not help him, if anything it has given Galliani cause for dismissal without having to pay for the rest of his contract.

Posted by: Forza Milan! Apr 30 2014, 04:54 PM

QUOTE (acid911 @ Apr 30 2014, 08:12 AM) *
The real cancer, as I said before, is Galliani, as long as he is running things there won't be any sense of stability in AC Milan. The guy's probably just past it, be my guess. So many mistakes in the past well, decade, really. sad.gif But yeah, unless his performances suggested this, letting go of Seedorf is well a cheap shot.

Agreed. Unfortunately it looks like we are stuck with Galliani.

Posted by: acid911 Apr 30 2014, 04:59 PM

QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Apr 30 2014, 09:54 PM) *
Agreed. Unfortunately it looks like we are stuck with Galliani.

So true. sad.gif As I mentioned a few months back, I'd have gladly given an extension to Allegri if it meant the bald idiot was out. Because Galliani is a wily character, and for some weird reason, instead of directing his wile at other clubs and making unbelievably good deals, he is more interested in playing dirty politics.

There is a bit of a resistance against him, I know, and I can only hope it sees him out. Soon.

Posted by: acid911 Apr 30 2014, 05:00 PM

Classic case of too much power getting into one's head, though. mellow.gif Galliani. He should have been reigned in from the start. The guy's been making stupid mistakes one way or another since 2007, really.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Apr 30 2014, 07:45 PM

Balo-rvp swap mentioned in English press.

Posted by: acid911 Apr 30 2014, 10:21 PM

QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ May 1 2014, 12:45 AM) *
Balo-rvp swap mentioned in English press.

I'd hit it, the only problem being the injuries. sleep.gif Džeko, anyone?

Posted by: Forza Milan! Apr 30 2014, 10:27 PM

QUOTE (acid911 @ Apr 30 2014, 11:21 PM) *
I'd hit it, the only problem being the injuries. sleep.gif Džeko, anyone?

If fit, RVP could be great. However, this feels like yet another over-paid player that is past his best days. Why can't we invest in youth?

Džeko is not quite the level of RVP but a little younger. Still ...

Posted by: acid911 Apr 30 2014, 10:35 PM

QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ May 1 2014, 03:27 AM) *
If fit, RVP could be great. However, this feels like yet another over-paid player that is past his best days. Why can't we invest in youth?

Totally. mad.gif All it takes is careful planning, some stability, and we can groom quality young talent. Sadly, these are the two very things we don't have, along with the third necessary ingredient, patience. I mean, we can't even settle on a coach, forget the players, really.

QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ May 1 2014, 03:27 AM) *
Džeko is not quite the level of RVP but a little younger. Still ...

Agreed, and he's got heart. smile.gif Not the worst purchase we can make, really, in these circumstances. And well Manchester City owe us a big one after we purchased the troublemaker from them.

Posted by: Forza Milan! May 1 2014, 03:36 PM

Interesting comments from Monto.
<http://www.goal.com/it/news/2/serie-a/2014/05/01/4788057/montolivo-non-si-espone-per-seedorf-ora-%C3%A8-lui-lallenatore?ICID=HP_BN_5>

(Hints at the fact that Seedorf may not be coaching Milan for very long, and sings the praises of Inzaghi.)

Posted by: Forza Milan! May 1 2014, 03:42 PM

Another interesting article, with Galliani apparently "instructing" Seedorf on who should play
<http://www.goal.com/it/news/2/serie-a/2014/05/01/4787366/galliani-punta-su-de-sciglio-abate-poli-e-pazzini-ma-seedorf?ICID=HP_FT_1>

I don't necessarily disagree with what is being suggested (play both Abate and De Sciglio, Poli + Kaka midfield, and both Balo and Pazzo up front). However, it is unusual for Galliani to "coach the coach" (at least out in the open), so it may be another step towards dismissing Seedorf. (Then again, I may be reading too much into this ...)

Posted by: Forza Milan! May 1 2014, 05:33 PM

For those of you who believe that a new owner means more money will come into the team, that is clearly not gonna happen with Inter (at least based on this article - http://www.goal.com/it/news/2/serie-a/2014/05/01/4787504/thohir-presenta-il-business-plan-per-i-prossimi-5-anni?ICID=HP_TS_6). Inter will have to operate based on their revenues.

This is one of the reasons for which (until recently) I have been somewhat lukewarm to the idea of Berlu selling the team. However, at this point, I am so fed up with management that I will welcome a change, money or not.

Posted by: X-Offender May 2 2014, 02:36 PM

According to Fussball.ch, Milan and Lazio have reached an agreement for Marchetti for €13 million...

http://www.fussball.ch/Marchetti+vor+Unterschrift+bei+Milan/624647/detail.htm

... which is obviously pure BS cos I'll die the day we'll play €13 million for a GK.

Posted by: acid911 May 2 2014, 02:59 PM

If it's true, it's the best news I've heard since January. sleep.gif

Posted by: kurtsimonw May 2 2014, 03:26 PM

Would love it to be true, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

Posted by: han2503 May 2 2014, 03:32 PM

No way is this true. We haven't spent cash on a keeper during the entirety of Silvio's stint, I'd find it hard to believe that we'd start doing it now considering we don't even want to spend on required outfield players

Posted by: acid911 May 2 2014, 05:56 PM

Could have gone for Perin, though, Marchetti is, what, 32 already? huh.gif Let's see.

Posted by: kurtsimonw May 2 2014, 06:04 PM

QUOTE (acid911 @ May 2 2014, 06:56 PM) *
Could have gone for Perin, though, Marchetti is, what, 32 already? huh.gif Let's see.

Turned 31 a few months ago. Means he probably has 3/4 good years left in him, so if we give him a 3/4 year deal that'd be fine.

Posted by: X-Offender May 2 2014, 06:24 PM

I'd be fine with Marchetti, as long as we don't overpay for him.

Posted by: acid911 May 2 2014, 06:39 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ May 2 2014, 11:04 PM) *
Turned 31 a few months ago. Means he probably has 3/4 good years left in him, so if we give him a 3/4 year deal that'd be fine.

I'd prefer a 21 year old, but I quite like Marchetti. smile.gif Yeah, at least 3 or 4 years in him. And well considering just how much we've neglected he goalkeeper department, he's probably the best we can buy. Hopefully some good news floats up about this soon.

QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 2 2014, 11:24 PM) *
I'd be fine with Marchetti, as long as we don't overpay for him.

True. happy.gif He's right behind Handanović in Serie A, this side of the legend that is Buffon.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 2 2014, 07:51 PM

When it comes to keepers, I'd always prefer a older one. No need to rush it with Perin. Let's try get him as a backup and loan him out - that would be a good possibility. Yet, I don't see us spending that much on keepers in just one transfer period.

Posted by: han2503 May 2 2014, 08:34 PM

I think this Marcehtti talk is pointless, there is no way we paid that kind of money for him

I think Perin is a lot more doable, especially when taking into consideration the team that owns his contract

Posted by: X-Offender May 6 2014, 04:32 PM

http://www.calciomercato.com/news/milan-alex-mette-alla-porta-rami-858490

Basically, €7 million for Rami is too much for us (), so Galliani wants to get Alex (32) for free and offer him €3.5 million per season freak.gif

Also, we will have zero cash to spend this summer. Silvio has already covered a €50 million hole due to no CL next season, so Galliani will have to invent his own crap once again.

Seriously, enough is enough! Why the hell does Berlusconi insist that the club is not for sale when the situation is so dire? If we don't make a proper signing campaign this summer we'll be f*cked for good. No turning back. God save this club...

Posted by: han2503 May 6 2014, 07:44 PM

And are we letting go of Mexes as well because of his big wage which is 4m but we're ready to pay Alex 3.5m? Hmmm.... Genius stuff

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 6 2014, 09:12 PM

This summer will be disappointing I fear. We might get one good player, somewhere in the defensive phase of our game.

Seedorf wants to play in a 4-3-1-2, we have Kaka/SES and Balotelli/Pazzini upfront, Honda/Kaka/Taraabt in the hole, midfield three think we have it covered maybe a good DM (Essian has been a disappointment so far, and I'd much prefer someone to challenge Muntari for a spot), defense is good, yet needs much improvements especially along the flanks - a flamboyant wing back ala il concorde, and I am not sure about the Gkeeper as that is a position I am indifferent to (unless we are talking about Buffon or Casillas, don't really care).

My wish list would be in this order; WB/FB, CB, then a DM. Actually in whichever order, just need someone to plug in the gaps and another to provide width and stretch the play (Abate is great IMO, but I'd rather someone 'deadlier', if just for the spectacle).


So far if we filter through the squad (keeping in mind some or someone might leave): NDJ, Montolivo, Muntari, Honda, Taraabt, SES, Pazzini, Balotelli, Abate, Bonera, Kaka and Poli - These are all relatively (or subjectively for some) good players, some with experience some with much less. Point is there is a 'core' starting to form and if the coach can be given time, this core will only get stronger. A sense of cohesion IMHO and solidity should be top priority. So unless it is someone worth it, otherwise fodder till we find one.

Posted by: X-Offender May 6 2014, 09:39 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ May 6 2014, 09:12 PM) *
Seedorf wants to play in a 4-3-1-2


Where'd you hear that? If Seedorf wanted to play 4-3-1-2, he could have done it the moment he came, since he already had the right players for it.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 6 2014, 10:03 PM

QUOTE
When discussing the tactical switch, Seedorf hinted it was a move towards the vision of President Silvio Berlusconi.

“My first concern was to find solidity in the two phases. This team has achieved that recently. In this game I wanted to surprise Inter by changing the system, especially as I said the philosophy was more important than the system.

“We know the President likes this system and for next season we eventually have plans to play more in this shape.

http://football-italia.net/48754/seedorf-explains-surprise-tactics



Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 7 2014, 10:59 AM

QUOTE (han2503 @ May 7 2014, 02:14 AM) *
And are we letting go of Mexes as well because of his big wage which is 4m but we're ready to pay Alex 3.5m? Hmmm.... Genius stuff



I read it as, in case we can't bring Rami down from his 7 million price tag, we will be looking at Alex on a free with a 3.5 million wage.

Not yet sure whether we're trying to bring it down or if Valencia is hesitant coz other clubs are bidding higher.

Another point to note is that QPR have been promoted and might want Taraabt back.

Posted by: han2503 May 7 2014, 08:33 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ May 7 2014, 10:59 AM) *
I read it as, in case we can't bring Rami down from his 7 million price tag, we will be looking at Alex on a free with a 3.5 million wage.

THIS is exactly what got us in huge piles of sh!t in the past in terms of our huge wages. I can see that Galliani never learns from past mistakes. What a total idiot, and I personally can't believe that Silvio is still entrusting his club in Galliani's hands. Makes him an even bigger idiot

Don't get me wrong I like Alex. If we can reduce Mexes's wage to around 2m and offer Alex something similar and we get Rami as well. I think we'd have a fairly strong CB roster. While getting rid of Zaccardo and Silvestre of course

Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 8 2014, 05:59 AM

Way to go to completely ignore my post. You've stopped listening to me. I think I need to rethink this relationship. We've stopped communicating. sleep.gif

Posted by: han2503 May 8 2014, 09:48 AM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ May 8 2014, 05:59 AM) *
Way to go to completely ignore my post. You've stopped listening to me. I think I need to rethink this relationship. We've stopped communicating. sleep.gif

I wasn't ignoring the rest of your post Jackie!

But we all know that if Valencia don't bend to Galliani's will, which is to basically bring the price down to zero, we'll pass on Rami and go for Alex while giving him a ridiculous wage in the process

Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 8 2014, 10:12 AM

So here's the interview from Silvio. Off football-italia

QUOTE
Silvio Berlusconi won’t sell Milan, will decide Clarence Seedorf’s future at the end of the season and would take Mario Balotelli to the World Cup.

The club President and former Italian Prime Minister considered a number of issues relating to the Rossoneri this week in an interview with Capital Radio, beginning with continued speculation that he is in talks to sell a majority shareholding of the club.

“No I don’t think so, in spite of a football team that faces many difficulties on the international scene where the protagonists are those who have Arabic money and it is difficult to compete against,” Berlusconi has made clear.

“I think that teams like PSG are owned by those who have wealth without limits.”

Rumours continue to surround Milan’s intentions on the bench in the summer, with it generally assumed now that Clarence Seedorf will be leaving as Coach, just six months into his tenure.

“We will decide together, at a meeting of the board at the end of the season. Clarence has a contract that says he will be with us for the next two years.”

Mario Balotelli has come under scrutiny of late for his performances on the pitch and recent outburst on live television.

“I would take him to the World Cup, but the CT is preparing to do a great job, to persuade him on his position on the field. We, at Milan, have not succeeded.”

Berlusconi was asked for further comment on the scenes before and after the Coppa Italia Final in Rome.

“I have never seen a situation like that and I am not sure that even the Napoli President had this in mind.

“There are those who believe in and identify with their team and do so with real passion. In the papers these days, you have the Napoli ultras as violent, or even criminals, we must definitely distinguish.

“The ultras, for example at Milan, are absolutely people with a spirit that is simple, with a real passion for their team.

“They identify with their team, with players who become their heroes. Indeed, the matches in football are a metaphor for them.”


Like I said, the part with the jersey modeling and this statement from Silvio confirms it. I think Mario is on his way out.

If Mario goes, I think the cash will be about enough to land both Taraabt and Rami and keep Sciglio. But we're still up the crapper without a striker of any repute.

Cue, another shitty season till winter when we buy someone on loan and just about survive into Europe. rolleyes.gif

I hate being poor.

Posted by: han2503 May 8 2014, 11:02 AM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ May 8 2014, 10:12 AM) *
So here's the interview from Silvio. Off football-italia



Like I said, the part with the jersey modeling and this statement from Silvio confirms it. I think Mario is on his way out.

If Mario goes, I think the cash will be about enough to land both Taraabt and Sciglio. But we're still up the crapper without a striker of any repute.

Cue, another shitty season till winter when we buy someone on loan and just about survive into Europe. rolleyes.gif

I hate being poor.

With Mario it's not just about selling him, it's trying to find someone who's willing to buy him and offer us the kind of money we'd want

And Taraabt and Sciglio?

DS is already on a permanent contract with the club and Taraabt's agreed fee is minimal, I don't think he wants to go back to England anyway

And really if the money we get on Mario is going to be spent on a Championship reject then we have even more problems than we originally thought

Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 8 2014, 11:43 AM

Sorry. I meant Taraabt and Rami and keep Sciglio. Edited.

Because playerwise, Balotelli and De Sciglio are the only players we have left who can give us any money. We've sold everyone else. rolleyes.gif

With the rest of the squad, about 15 million is the highest we can expect.

Taraabt doesn't have a call on if he goes back, since he is on loan. I don't know what the fee is and if 7 million is too high for Rami, then I think 8 million is too high for Taraabt.

Of course we could negotiate, but I still think we're looking at a combined outlay for at least 12 million for both players.

Considering our finances, I think that effectively closes any and all transfer activities including those in winter.

Posted by: X-Offender May 8 2014, 01:55 PM

First of all, Jack, I don't think what Silvio said implies in any way whatsoever that Balo is leaving. Secondly, I don't think that we have to sell anyone this summer in order to cash in. The problem is that we don't have a spending budget, or rather, we have a very minimal one, so we'll have to make due with these players and hope we manage to find something cheap and good on the market.

Taarabt is reported that will cost us around €3m. Add €7m for Rami and that makes €10m. What's imperative afterwards is that we get rid of all the dead weight. Amelia, Zaccardo, Robinho, Birsa, Essien, Nocerino, Matri, Traoré etc. I would add Kaká to the list as well. And by "get rid" I mean sell! We shouldn't have a roster of no more than 24-25 players. We've already succeeded in cutting down wages to some degree. If we could also reduce the personnel, then we're headed towards the right direction.

And then maybe, just maybe we might have something to spend on a couple of new players. Obviously this isn't done overnight. It require a lot of planning, something this management is incapable of. Signing 32 year old Alex on free with a salary of €3.5m is the best proof you could ask for.

Posted by: Forza Milan! May 8 2014, 03:56 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 8 2014, 02:55 PM) *
First of all, Jack, I don't think what Silvio said implies in any way whatsoever that Balo is leaving. Secondly, I don't think that we have to sell anyone this summer in order to cash in. The problem is that we don't have a spending budget, or rather, we have a very minimal one, so we'll have to make due with these players and hope we manage to find something cheap and good on the market.

Taarabt is reported that will cost us around €3m. Add €7m for Rami and that makes €10m. What's imperative afterwards is that we get rid of all the dead weight. Amelia, Zaccardo, Robinho, Birsa, Essien, Nocerino, Matri, Traoré etc. I would add Kaká to the list as well. And by "get rid" I mean sell! We shouldn't have a roster of no more than 24-25 players. We've already succeeded in cutting down wages to some degree. If we could also reduce the personnel, then we're headed towards the right direction.

And then maybe, just maybe we might have something to spend on a couple of new players. Obviously this isn't done overnight. It require a lot of planning, something this management is incapable of. Signing 32 year old Alex on free with a salary of €3.5m is the best proof you could ask for.

As usual, we will run into the problem that many of the players we want to sell are happy drawing a ridiculous salary and will not want to leave.

Posted by: Forza Milan! May 8 2014, 04:01 PM

Intrigued by this article <http://www.goal.com/it/news/2/serie-a/2014/05/08/4804033/berlusconi-apre-a-montella-milan-mi-%C3%A8-molto-simpatico?ICID=HP_BN_11>. Implies we may be after Montella. Doubt it it would happen, though (I believe we would have to pay Fiorentina to release him from his contract, plus why would he jump ship?)

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 8 2014, 06:11 PM

QUOTE
Ex-Milan player and Coach Cesare Maldini believes it will be difficult for the Rossoneri to return to compete at the top of European football.

The 82-year-old was asked today about President Silvio Berlusconi’s comments that the San Siro club could not match the spending power of certain clubs under foreign ownership.

“The President’s opinion is absolutely normal,” Maldini said to Tuttomercatoweb.com. “It’s the same for a lot of clubs.

“The Arabs have money to throw away and there can’t be any competition.

“I sincerely hope Milan are not now consigned to the second tier of European clubs, but it will be tough to compete.

“There are still some people needed at the club to come in and revive it. The crisis that our country is going through is horrendous and it is difficult to think of alternatives.

“In the recent past, Galliani has been a decisive factor in our success. But, without money, even ideas cannot be enough.”

FI


unsure.gif blink.gif

Cesare is an idiot too huh.gif dry.gif

Posted by: X-Offender May 8 2014, 06:21 PM

QUOTE
The Arabs have money to throw away and there can’t be any competition


This is possibly the lamest excuse there can possible be. Is Atletico owned by Arabs? Are Barça and Madrid owned by Arabs? Is Bayern owned by Arabs? Is Juventus owned by Arabs? Is Liverpool owned by Arabs? Is Dortmund owned by Arabs? Yes, in this case, Cesare is an idiot.

Look, there's no need to repeat the same stuff over and over again. There's no money, we get it. But that doesn't mean you can't program things in advance, come up with a strategy and make sound investments. How's buying Matri for €12 a sound investment? How's giving a 32 year old like Alex a 3.5m contract a sound investment? How's giving a Serie Z player like Traoré 1.2m per season a sound investment? What about all the Acerbi's and Mesbah's and Constant's and Zaccardo's...

Sometimes I wish people would just get this.

Posted by: han2503 May 8 2014, 06:29 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 8 2014, 06:21 PM) *
This is possibly the lamest excuse there can possible be. Is Atletico owned by Arabs? Are Barça and Madrid owned by Arabs? Is Bayern owned by Arabs? Is Juventus owned by Arabs? Is Liverpool owned by Arabs? Is Dortmund owned by Arabs? Yes, in this case, Cesare is an idiot.

Look, there's no need to repeat the same stuff over and over again. There's no money, we get it. But that doesn't mean you can't program things in advance, come up with a strategy and make sound investments. How's buying Matri for €12 a sound investment? How's giving a 32 year old like Alex a 3.5m contract a sound investment? How's giving a Serie Z player like Traoré 1.2m per season a sound investment? What about all the Acerbi's and Mesbah's and Constant's and Zaccardo's...

Sometimes I wish people would just get this.

Many people do, the only problem is that the people that actually matter (Galliani and Silvio), don't. And very well put

Posted by: X-Offender May 8 2014, 06:31 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ May 8 2014, 06:29 PM) *
Many people do, the only problem is that the people that actually matter (Galliani and Silvio), don't. And very well put


Well, by people I just meant R7 tongue.gif

Posted by: han2503 May 8 2014, 06:32 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 8 2014, 06:31 PM) *
Well, by people I just meant R7 tongue.gif

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Posted by: acid911 May 8 2014, 07:29 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ May 8 2014, 11:11 PM) *
Cesare is an idiot too

Nah, he just spends far too much time in the Middle East. tongue.gif biggrin.gif

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 8 2014, 09:41 PM

QUOTE (acid911 @ May 8 2014, 10:29 PM) *
Nah, he just spends far too much time in the Middle East. tongue.gif biggrin.gif


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Posted by: acid911 May 8 2014, 09:53 PM

Speaking of which, R, Paolo Maldini was in Riyadh this week. ohmy.gif Fudging missed it, would loved to have been there. He was there alongside Christian Vieri, which you might guess had something to do with their clothing line. Sweet Years, I believe it is. I am so buying stuff from there the next time I'm in the region.


Posted by: Forza Milan! May 8 2014, 10:29 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 8 2014, 07:21 PM) *
This is possibly the lamest excuse there can possible be. Is Atletico owned by Arabs? Are Barça and Madrid owned by Arabs? Is Bayern owned by Arabs? Is Juventus owned by Arabs? Is Liverpool owned by Arabs? Is Dortmund owned by Arabs? Yes, in this case, Cesare is an idiot.

Look, there's no need to repeat the same stuff over and over again. There's no money, we get it. But that doesn't mean you can't program things in advance, come up with a strategy and make sound investments. How's buying Matri for €12 a sound investment? How's giving a 32 year old like Alex a 3.5m contract a sound investment? How's giving a Serie Z player like Traoré 1.2m per season a sound investment? What about all the Acerbi's and Mesbah's and Constant's and Zaccardo's...

Sometimes I wish people would just get this.

Yup. Galliani's solution to "I got no money to buy players" is to go for players at "zero cost" ("parametro zero"). In doing so, he is alienating other clubs and, more important, using ridiculously high salaries to entice the player. Which then means we are stuck with players that are over-paid and have no incentive to leave, plus what we saved on the signing fee we lose in a higher salary burden. Money goes out, one way or another, and we get stuck with players we do not need or want. And since we need to reduce the salary bill before we can get any new players, we end up making panic moves at the 11th hour (because all the good opportunities are lost).

Yet people still believe that Galliani is some kid of a genius (even I fell for this for a while, Galliani having found a brilliant solution to our financial constraints, that is). I recently read an article (or a post) trying to explain how smart Galliani's approach is, and the justification centered on the fact that in the short term low signing fee + high salary is better than the other way around from a financial perspective. The key is "in the short term". But that is not how we should be thinking, we need a formula that is sustainable over time (and Galliani's approach clearly is not - look at our horrible salary bill and our inability to cut the dead wood). Even worse, we do not want to lose players to other teams at "parametro zero" (as we did with Pirlo), so we end up making stupid decisions like renewing Robinho's contract.

Matri is a different matter. IMHO, that was Galliani trying to make Allegri happy after all of Berlu's shenanigans this summer. ("Here Max, who do you want? Matri? Sure. Astori? Well, we tried. Let's build Cagliari 2.0 together!") But, of course, even with Matri we had to resort to a ridiculously high salary, meaning we are probably stuck with him as well.

Posted by: Jack Bauer May 9 2014, 01:25 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 8 2014, 09:21 PM) *
This is possibly the lamest excuse there can possible be. Is Atletico owned by Arabs? Are Barça and Madrid owned by Arabs? Is Bayern owned by Arabs? Is Juventus owned by Arabs? Is Liverpool owned by Arabs? Is Dortmund owned by Arabs? Yes, in this case, Cesare is an idiot.

Look, there's no need to repeat the same stuff over and over again. There's no money, we get it. But that doesn't mean you can't program things in advance, come up with a strategy and make sound investments. How's buying Matri for €12 a sound investment? How's giving a 32 year old like Alex a 3.5m contract a sound investment? How's giving a Serie Z player like Traoré 1.2m per season a sound investment? What about all the Acerbi's and Mesbah's and Constant's and Zaccardo's...

Sometimes I wish people would just get this.


Posted by: acid911 May 9 2014, 01:46 AM

laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 9 2014, 06:31 AM

The thing you guys ask for is very difficult. Yes, you should plan this and plan that and with hindsight it's all very easy to look back and ennumerate the precise steps that should have been taken.

Let's be honest here, let's subtract the Arab clubs and the oil clubs okay?

So Manchester United, Barca, Madrid, Bayern? 4 extremely well run clubs that splash the cash.

You don't need me to tell you how much in debt the first three are. That Madrid and Barca basically survive based on a ludicrous TV agreement that is leaving the rest of the league gasping for breath.

Manchester United? Well, look they have their share of money suckers just like us - Anderson, Nani and so on. It's just that the revenue stream allows them to survive such losses. We can't afford that.

EPL has always had it's own stadium and excellent TV rights and good marketting and all that.

1. Serie A clubs made a mistake of not investing in facilities and youth when the going was good. This blame is not just on Galliani but EVERY SINGLE SERIE A CLUB that was ever successful.
2. Serie A itself made a horrible mistake not marketting themselves abroad when they had the stars. The should have gotten themselves an English marketting team, and ensured that Serie A was available in English commentary, analysis etc. (Hindsight again).

That's the past.

Germany, revolutionised itself with the World Cup. I don't know where the money for the stadium rework came from and Filippo can help.

Bayern are an example. I'll hold my hand up and admit they trumped us solid. Excellent management by Rumennige and co. Dortmund took almost 10 years to build themselves up brick by brick.

Atletico? Well, that's a funny story. This season if they didn't make CL they are going into admin. It's a different story that they have a fairy tale with a coach and a brilliant unit but their debt is so bad, that I don't know if this is a fluke or something more compelling. Even with this season, they're no way out of it. They have 100 million to pay just as taxes I think? So saying nothing about debt.

Lest we forget, Valencia under Benitez too had a couple of seasons under the sun. Now they're struggling to stay afloat as well.


We are making some smart moves commerically. To be fair, it's only been a year since. We'll see.

I do admit though that we need to be much much smarter on transfers. I'll put a bit down to Allegri and the type of workhorse players he preferred. Let's see what Seedorf says.


I guess a TL;DR for this would be - Things aren't rosy everywhere. There are mistakes made, but also some other factors that make a like-for-like comparison with clubs from other continents unfair. Commercial deals and Footbaling matters are for the moment being worked separately and will at some point unite. But yes, transfer activity is critical and we need to be more aware than we have been.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 9 2014, 07:16 AM

Unrelated. So different post. Anyone else heard of rumours of Montolivo being sold?

Posted by: kurtsimonw May 9 2014, 07:30 AM

Yeah in terms of finances you can't really try and compare with EPL clubs or Madrid/Barca because the tv rights are massive, something that nobody else will ever really get. Bayern are fortunate to be in a 1 team league really, where they can continually be successful.

Posted by: X-Offender May 9 2014, 11:10 AM

Some observations are not made in hindsight, though, Jack. We've all been insisting for years to start investing in youngsters. We all called it that Matri would be a terrible deal. We're all saying that giving €3.5m to a 32 year old would be a bad decision. This management has made way too many wrong calls, and the worst part is that they don't learn from their mistakes.

Posted by: kurtsimonw May 9 2014, 12:10 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 9 2014, 12:10 PM) *
Some observations are not made in hindsight, though, Jack. We've all been insisting for years to start investing in youngsters. We all called it that Matri would be a terrible deal. We're all saying that giving €3.5m to a 32 year old would be a bad decision. This management has made way too many wrong calls, and the worst part is that they don't learn from their mistakes.

Yep. I am one of the few that actually like Matri, but even I was against the transfer. It made no sense at all. We here all this talk of different plans that we have, but the management don't stick to them. I'm not sure what this club can do right now.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 9 2014, 12:15 PM

I agree that transfers should be much smarter. Matri was a case of backing the coach. 99 times out of 100 you'd commend the management for doing that, but then well...we backed the wrong coach. rolleyes.gif


I was talking about commercials at large. And believe me they make an impact in scouting as well. Word flies out quick who is watching who, and now big money is thrown even at little know talents. Just compare Kaka's transfer fee and Neymar's? The media hype etc. is now big. For God's sake the media even make a fuss of Mastour.

And as for insisting in investing in youth. We did start it a few years back. It began with Galli coming in specifically as youth director. It will take a long time for a youth policy to bear fruit. Youth investment can't happen one level below the senior team (U-21s). That's not youth. Almost every club by that age know who are star material and who are not.

Youth progression happen roughly at the Allievi level. I think we're doing some good work there with Mastour etc.

Next on Alex, I think he is a good defender. Age is the only thing against him. But as a stop gap I'd happily take him, since he works out to be cheap, reliable and with European experience. A two year contract would be no loss.

I don't think he is first priority though. He is backup in case we cannot land Rami with his 7 million price tag and corresponding ~2 million + salary.

Posted by: X-Offender May 10 2014, 03:09 PM

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/3276/serie-a/2014/05/10/4808086/berlusconi-takes-swipe-at-seedorf-even-the-elderly-could-control-

Posted by: dst May 10 2014, 03:46 PM

How can they keep being so disrespectful to Seedorf? In his place I would go as soon as the season ends and never look back. Not as long as Berlusconi is president and Galliani is GM anyway.

Posted by: kurtsimonw May 10 2014, 04:36 PM

It's not surprising really is it? Silvio is scum.

Posted by: acid911 May 10 2014, 05:14 PM

QUOTE (dst @ May 10 2014, 08:46 PM) *
How can they keep being so disrespectful to Seedorf? In his place I would go as soon as the season ends and never look back. Not as long as Berlusconi is president and Galliani is GM anyway.

That is why the man in your signature doesn't want to be a coach. smile.gif Wise man!

Posted by: X-Offender May 10 2014, 06:12 PM

This management has become poison. Only until a few years ago we were like a big family, nowadays nothing like that exists anymore.

Posted by: X-Offender May 10 2014, 06:21 PM

Seedorf's reply: "I have nothing to say about what Silvio Berlusconi said yesterday. I didn't quite understand what he was trying to imply. I can only say that this group is very easy to handle because they're all very good guys. I see what they do every day and the results achieved confirm that we're working well"

http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/Serie-A/Milan/10-05-2014/milan-seedorf-le-parole-berlusconi-non-ho-capite-80626051851.shtml

Posted by: Ry4n May 10 2014, 06:49 PM

Is Berlusconi going senile..

Posted by: kurtsimonw May 10 2014, 07:28 PM

QUOTE (Ry4n @ May 10 2014, 07:49 PM) *
Is Berlusconi going senile..

Going?

Posted by: han2503 May 11 2014, 11:11 AM

QUOTE (Ry4n @ May 10 2014, 06:49 PM) *
Is Berlusconi going senile..

He hopped on that train a loooong time ago.

Posted by: X-Offender May 12 2014, 05:58 PM

Here's a question to you all: if Balo were to have a really good World Cup like in 2012, and his price were to increase because of that, would you sell him if someone came knocking offering +25m? And do you think we'll invest all the money in new players if we do decide to sell him?

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan May 12 2014, 06:19 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 12 2014, 06:58 PM) *
Here's a question to you all: if Balo were to have a really good World Cup like in 2012, and his price were to increase because of that, would you sell him if someone came knocking offering +25m? And do you think we'll invest all the money in new players if we do decide to sell him?

If a offer of 25 plus million comes we will surely sell him but I doubt we will re-invest. Over the last few years we have struggled to invest and without Europe I doubt we will spend big money.

Posted by: kurtsimonw May 12 2014, 06:32 PM

QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ May 12 2014, 07:19 PM) *
If a offer of 25 plus million comes we will surely sell him but I doubt we will re-invest. Over the last few years we have struggled to invest and without Europe I doubt we will spend big money.

This.


Posted by: han2503 May 12 2014, 07:00 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 12 2014, 05:58 PM) *
Here's a question to you all: if Balo were to have a really good World Cup like in 2012, and his price were to increase because of that, would you sell him if someone came knocking offering +25m? And do you think we'll invest all the money in new players if we do decide to sell him?

I'd hold out for something bigger, if not keep him

Because as CMF said, I highly doubt we'll re-invest that money into anything decent. plus 25m is not that much. We either sign someone to fill the hole that Balo leaves or a bunch of average players if we do re-invest that

Posted by: X-Offender May 12 2014, 07:54 PM

Or maybe we will promote Pazzini as our main striker, and get Matri back as sub. Classic Milan. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: han2503 May 12 2014, 07:56 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 12 2014, 07:54 PM) *
Or maybe we will promote Pazzini as our main striker, and get Matri back as sub. Classic Milan. rolleyes.gif

droolsmiley.gif

Posted by: kurtsimonw May 12 2014, 08:25 PM

We can only dream. wub.gif


Posted by: han2503 May 12 2014, 10:15 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ May 12 2014, 08:25 PM) *
We can only dream. wub.gif


laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: X-Offender May 14 2014, 03:19 PM

Bronzetti and Raiola at HQ. Raiola will discuss about Balo and Abate, whereas Bronzetti is there for Rami. Looks like Valencia might be able to give us small a discount.

Source: Sky

Posted by: han2503 May 14 2014, 03:48 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 14 2014, 03:19 PM) *
Bronzetti and Raiola at HQ. Raiola will discuss about Balo and Abate, whereas Bronzetti is there for Rami. Looks like Valencia might be able to give us small a discount.

Source: Sky

I'm still personally not 100% sold on Rami. He tends to space out a lot during games. Him and Mexes are a good duo, but I'm still not sure if Rami really is the CB we want to move forward with taking into consideration that Mexes could also be sold

As for the other 2 I seriously hope that we won't be selling Abate, that would just be utterly stupid, we need to renew his contract ASAP and assure him that he'll be a starter next season. And with regards to Balo, unless there's some great offer on the table, I'd rather keep him for now

Posted by: X-Offender May 14 2014, 08:10 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ May 14 2014, 03:48 PM) *
I'm still personally not 100% sold on Rami. He tends to space out a lot during games. Him and Mexes are a good duo, but I'm still not sure if Rami really is the CB we want to move forward with taking into consideration that Mexes could also be sold


He's not 100% reliable, but he's the best we can afford. Hopefully Mexes accepts to lower his wages and renews, so we can be set with Rami, Mexes, Zapata and Bonera. Neither of them are great, but neither of them are crap (well, maybe Bonera a little tongue.gif ).

Posted by: han2503 May 14 2014, 08:15 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 14 2014, 08:10 PM) *
He's not 100% reliable, but he's the best we can afford. Hopefully Mexes accepts to lower his wages and renews, so we can be set with Rami, Mexes, Zapata and Bonera. Neither of them are great, but neither of them are crap (well, maybe Bonera a little tongue.gif ).

Bonera tends to swing from greatness to cr@p at the drop of a hat, still a great guy to have in the locker room and for cover when needed

Posted by: X-Offender May 15 2014, 10:34 AM

Add Ancelotti to the list.

http://www.sportmediaset.mediaset.it/mercato/milan/2014/articoli/1034832/clamoroso-il-milan-ripensa-ad-ancelotti.shtml

People invent all sorts of crap nowadays to ensure a few clicks.

Posted by: han2503 May 15 2014, 04:10 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 15 2014, 10:34 AM) *
Add Ancelotti to the list.

http://www.sportmediaset.mediaset.it/mercato/milan/2014/articoli/1034832/clamoroso-il-milan-ripensa-ad-ancelotti.shtml

People invent all sorts of crap nowadays to ensure a few clicks.

Carlo imo is a no go.

His best years at Milan are past, and other top sides would want him

Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 15 2014, 05:12 PM

He wouldn't come here, for the same reason Mourinho wouldn't go back to Inter. They have everything to lose and very little to gain.


Posted by: X-Offender May 16 2014, 01:20 PM

So, Berlusca said that Seedorf might stay...

Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 16 2014, 02:22 PM

Yes I read that.

So it does look like it's just that some aspects of Seedorf's management are under discussion and it's not like we've reached talks over his severance package yet

Posted by: han2503 May 16 2014, 02:36 PM

So today he's staying yesterday he was going... I think it's pointless to even try to follow what this fool is harping on about each day.

Posted by: dst May 17 2014, 03:16 PM

Run away Clarence!!

Posted by: X-Offender May 17 2014, 09:16 PM

Run Clarence, run!

Posted by: han2503 May 17 2014, 10:13 PM

Something tells me Seedorf won't stay on to be the whipping boy Silvio beats with a stick when he wants to make headlines.

If this goes on, he won't have to get sacked, he'll just leave on his own.

Posted by: Forza Milan! May 18 2014, 08:41 AM

QUOTE (han2503 @ May 17 2014, 11:13 PM) *
Something tells me Seedorf won't stay on to be the whipping boy Silvio beats with a stick when he wants to make headlines.

If this goes on, he won't have to get sacked, he'll just leave on his own.

As a rookie coach, my guess is that he will put up with some level of BS, at least for a while. My concern if he stays is the level of influence he will have during the transfer season.

Not sure how much we can believe, but I am happy to hear he may not get sacked after all. As I said before, Seedorf was not my first choice, but now that we have him and he has done reasonably well, I believe he should be given one more year.

Posted by: Forza Milan! May 18 2014, 03:28 PM

http://www.goal.com/it/news/2/serie-a/2014/05/18/4825677/berlusconi-rilancia-il-milan-voglio-aprire-un-nuovo-ciclo?ICID=HP_HN_2

I read this as a decision on Seedorf has not been made yet, they will meet after the end of the season and decide then.

Posted by: X-Offender May 18 2014, 04:13 PM

^ You must learn how to post links properly. tongue.gif

Posted by: acid911 May 18 2014, 04:48 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 18 2014, 09:13 PM) *
^ You must learn how to post links properly.

Indeed. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Forza Milan! May 18 2014, 05:14 PM

QUOTE
Milan want Negredo as Balotelli replacement

Should Mario Balotelli leave AC Milan in the summer, the Serie A side would move for Manchester City striker Alvaro Negredo as a replacement for the Italy international.

Source: Tuttosport
Sunday, 18 May 2014 12:57

Not sure about Negredo. 28 years old and IMHO he did not impress me at City. Hope it is just a rumor.

Posted by: Forza Milan! May 18 2014, 05:23 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 18 2014, 05:13 PM) *
^ You must learn how to post links properly. tongue.gif

Done

Posted by: X-Offender May 19 2014, 08:08 PM

Galliani said that we want to sign Rami permanently and we'll meet Valencia next week or something.

Posted by: han2503 May 19 2014, 08:36 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 19 2014, 08:08 PM) *
Galliani said that we want to sign Rami permanently and we'll meet Valencia next week or something.

Ohhh, can't wait for the summer long saga that shall commence so we can reduce the 7m asking price Valencia have to 6m or even 5.5m so Galliani can pat himself on the back extra for getting an even bigger bargain

Posted by: X-Offender May 19 2014, 09:49 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ May 19 2014, 08:36 PM) *
Ohhh, can't wait for the summer long saga that shall commence so we can reduce the 7m asking price Valencia have to 6m or even 5.5m so Galliani can pat himself on the back extra for getting an even bigger bargain


Valencia should just hit the door on his face. Either pay or GTFO! No silly mind games and other antics.

Posted by: Forza Milan! May 19 2014, 10:20 PM

http://www.goal.com/it/news/7/calciomercato/2014/05/19/4828313/calciomercato-milan-galliani-annuncia-kak%C3%A0-rimane-nuova?ICID=HP_HN_3

If I have learned Galliani-speak, that means that Kaka is on his way out.

Posted by: han2503 May 19 2014, 10:37 PM

QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ May 19 2014, 10:20 PM) *
http://www.goal.com/it/news/7/calciomercato/2014/05/19/4828313/calciomercato-milan-galliani-annuncia-kak%C3%A0-rimane-nuova?ICID=HP_HN_3

If I have learned Galliani-speak, that means that Kaka is on his way out.

That's the same percentage he quoted for Zlatan and Thiago biggrin.gif

Posted by: X-Offender May 20 2014, 11:34 AM

According to Tuttosport, we're going to offer €7.5 million to Valencia for Rami and Cissokho (who was in the stands for Milan-Sassuolo).

Seriously, does Galliani think there's a major sale or something? Is he even aware of the prices that are floating nowadays? Jeez...

Posted by: X-Offender May 20 2014, 11:36 AM

Lady B said the club is going to invest. Let's see how much truth there's in that.

Posted by: han2503 May 20 2014, 11:38 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 20 2014, 11:36 AM) *
Lady B said the club is going to invest. Let's see how much truth there's in that.

Personally, I'd rather see them solve the coaching issue first.

Ridiculous to say they're going to invest when they haven't even decided who's going to be coaching us next season.

Also, is this the Cissokho who we were going to sign years ago but failed his medical due to teeth?

Posted by: X-Offender May 20 2014, 11:43 AM

QUOTE (han2503 @ May 20 2014, 11:38 AM) *
Personally, I'd rather see them solve the coaching issue first.

Ridiculous to say they're going to invest when they haven't even decided who's going to be coaching us next season.

Also, is this the Cissokho who we were going to sign years ago but failed his medical due to teeth?


I think the coaching issue will be resolved shortly, within a couple of weeks.

And yeah, it's that Cissokho. laugh.gif

Posted by: han2503 May 20 2014, 11:46 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 20 2014, 11:43 AM) *
I think the coaching issue will be resolved shortly, within a couple of weeks.

And yeah, it's that Cissokho. laugh.gif

I think it's a good idea to try and go for him, especially if we're going to try to get rid of Constant and Urby

DS, Cisscokho for the left

Abate, Bonera and DS for the right.

Nice options

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan May 20 2014, 07:55 PM

how good has cisscokho been for valencia

Posted by: X-Offender May 20 2014, 08:23 PM

QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ May 20 2014, 07:55 PM) *
how good has cisscokho been for valencia


Pretty poor from what I know. He was on loan to Liverpool this season and didn't play much. Maybe someone who follows the Premier League has more info.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 21 2014, 06:07 AM

I actually thought this was one of those transfers that I'm glad fell through. He's hardly featured much. And hasn't been very impressive.

I don't think he will succeed.

Posted by: X-Offender May 21 2014, 10:12 AM

Robinho might play in the MLS, Mexes might stay. Galliani will meet Valencia on Friday for Rami.

http://www.milannews.it/primo-piano/venerdi-l-incontro-per-rami-robinho-va-in-america-e-mexes-puo-restare-145148

Posted by: han2503 May 21 2014, 10:15 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 21 2014, 10:12 AM) *
Robinho might play in the MLS, Mexes might stay. Galliani will meet Valencia on Friday for Rami.

http://www.milannews.it/primo-piano/venerdi-l-incontro-per-rami-robinho-va-in-america-e-mexes-puo-restare-145148

Some good news at last

Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 21 2014, 10:55 AM

smile.gif What if I told you that even with how little he has played, Robinho is second in our assists charts. One behind Balotelli.

Posted by: X-Offender May 21 2014, 11:00 AM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ May 21 2014, 10:55 AM) *
smile.gif What if I told you that even with how little he has played, Robinho is second in our assists charts. One behind Balotelli.


That's just sad.

Posted by: kurtsimonw May 21 2014, 11:14 AM

Am I the only one who is completely not in love with the team at all? I still support the club all the same, that won't change, but I have no real positive feelings for pretty much anyone in the team. None of the players scream "Milan" to me. Abbiati and Abate do to an extent, but they aren't like the players of the past decade.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 21 2014, 11:19 AM

Stand in line. I mentioned this a while back. It's going to be the biggest reason I don't get this season's jersey. There isn't one person whose name I want. Not even Kaka.

Posted by: kurtsimonw May 21 2014, 11:21 AM

Somehow I did forget about Kaka'!

Posted by: X-Offender May 21 2014, 12:00 PM

Yeah, Kaká, but watching him play in these conditions is just unbearable. It's like with Gattuso in his final season with us. The guy was completely useless and I just couldn't stand watching him play even though I've always been a huge fan of his.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 21 2014, 12:17 PM

I'd probably get De Sciglio or El Sharaawy. If I absolutely had to buy a ****, If dst blackmailed me saying he wouldn't talk to me otherwise.

Posted by: Danny May 21 2014, 12:34 PM

I am with you guys to an extent - the soul isn't quite there with Milan right now, and the players, De Jong aside, are not up to the quality.

However, if you think you have it bad spare a thought for Rangers. I am taking a break from all things Ibrox due to the total civil war which has broken out. The soul there has been completely destroyed and I despise a great number of the 'fans' by comparison.

So, by contrast, I am thoroughly enjoying Milan. If a few coaching problems and signing issues are our major concerns, it's truly a blessed relief compared to problems elsewhere.

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