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Posted by: han2503 May 13 2007, 03:59 PM

Posted by: han2503 May 13 2007, 04:00 PM

CL is assured so let's play the primavera in this one

Posted by: dst May 13 2007, 04:06 PM

Jokes aside, I'd love to see Di Gennaro in this one!!

Posted by: mishie May 13 2007, 04:09 PM

i agree time to let some youngsters get some experience and have a look for next season but saying that now we have C.L football next season don silvio can now get the cheque book out!!

Posted by: dst May 13 2007, 04:19 PM

i agree time to let some youngsters get some experience and have a look for next season but saying that now we have C.L football next season don silvio can now get the cheque book out!!

Posted by: mishie May 13 2007, 04:24 PM

Well no serious conclusions can come out of one or two matches in my opinion but sure it will help those youngsters gain some confidence!

Posted by: jefri91 May 13 2007, 05:08 PM

ALL TO SAN SIRO!
5/13/2007 5:17:00 PM

Milan's home game against Udinese next weekend will be the last home fixture of the season and an opportunity to bid farewell to Alessandro Costacurta

Milan's match with Udinese next Saturday at 6pm CET will be the final home game of the season and the penultimate fixture of the Serie A campaign.

There will be plenty of other reasons for the Rossoneri fans to turn up at the 'Scala del Calcio'. It's the final game before the Champions League and it gives the supporters a chance to wish the team good luck ahead of their departure for Athens. It will also be an opportunity to to bid farewell to Alessandro Costacurta who is retiring to take up a coaching position with the club. Billy will become assistant coach alongside Mauro Tassotti as Adriano Galliani officially announced during the week. (Click here)

After a glorious career in the black and red shirt, the defender deserves a special send off. (Click here) There will also be occasion to send birthday wishes to Andrea Pirlo who turns 28 on May 19.

To mark the occasion of the last home game of the season, Milan has announced a reduction in ticket prices in every sector of the stadium. All tickets for Milan-Udinese already bought on bestticket.it are cancelled and can be reimbursed using the card used to purchase them. From Monday, May 14, tickets at the new price can be purchased online and for more information, contact: info@bestunion.it

Posted by: bigmacmtl May 13 2007, 05:12 PM

This should be the lineup:
Dida
cafu-bonera-Billy-fava
------brocchi--ambro
----gourcuff-----------Serginho
--------------Oli

something like that... i dont wanna seee any starters besides ambro.

EDIT* actually maybe billy will start

Posted by: jefri91 May 13 2007, 05:12 PM

Good luck Billy... hope you score a goal

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 13 2007, 05:22 PM

Billy's last game at the San Siro


A F@CKING LEGEND !

Posted by: misha May 13 2007, 05:35 PM

One of the last remaining players from the Grande Milan of the late 80th. We'll miss you!!!

Posted by: KillerMax May 13 2007, 05:36 PM

Costacurta!

You will be missed on the pitch, but it's great that you will still be there off the pitch.

Forza Milan!

Posted by: bigmacmtl May 13 2007, 05:37 PM

he lasted till his early 40s.... that says it all!

Posted by: fresh_prince7 May 13 2007, 05:38 PM

Rest dida too.. no point risking an injury.

KALAC!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: jefri91 May 13 2007, 05:40 PM

hes been in Milan for how many years ??? All i know hes been playing since 1985

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 13 2007, 05:59 PM

So are we guaranteed CL next season ??

How many games left ??

Posted by: KillerMax May 13 2007, 06:03 PM

So are we guaranteed CL next season ??

How many games left ??

Posted by: han2503 May 13 2007, 06:44 PM

We should play this one for this game, it has no meaning at all, but if we still manage to get a result with it then it would be great.

Cafu--Bonera--Billy--Favalli
--Yoann--Brocchi--Sergio---
---------Di Gennaro----------
-----Oliveria--Gilardino------

Posted by: dst May 13 2007, 07:33 PM

^^
That's my man!! Antonelli or Grimi should also come on in the second half!

Posted by: han2503 May 13 2007, 07:55 PM

^^
That's my man!! Antonelli or Grimi should also come on in the second half!

Posted by: Tennie May 13 2007, 10:33 PM

Just FYI, I'll be going to this game.

Posted by: dst May 13 2007, 10:39 PM

Just FYI, I'll be going to this game.

Posted by: misha May 13 2007, 10:39 PM

Just FYI, I'll be going to this game.

Posted by: Tennie May 13 2007, 10:41 PM

Thanks for the good wishes! It should be quite an evening, being last home game of the season, last game before the CL final, and Billy's last home game. [I must be one of the older members of the forum; I remember matches from 88-89 when Billy was referred to as 'the new youngster'. I do hope he plays, and it sounds like he will do.]

Posted by: Portikins May 13 2007, 11:35 PM

Play the Primavera team. Rest all. Even the subs.

PS: I know this is not gonna happen but if I was the coach...

Posted by: Darunia May 13 2007, 11:54 PM

Rest Gila, might need him in Athens even if Inzaghi starts

If we don't use any primavera, I'd go with this:

Kalac

Simic-Costacurta-Bonera-Favalli

Cafu-Brocchi-Gourcuff-Serginho

Borriello-Oliveira

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 14 2007, 09:28 PM

Rest Gila, might need him in Athens even if Inzaghi starts

If we don't use any primavera, I'd go with this:

Kalac

Simic-Costacurta-Bonera-Favalli

Cafu-Brocchi-Gourcuff-Serginho

Borriello-Oliveira

Posted by: han2503 May 15 2007, 07:30 AM

BTW ... Did Sergio play against Catania ??

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 15 2007, 04:56 PM

No, he wasn't even called up

Posted by: dst May 15 2007, 05:32 PM

I think he'll play against Udinese... so he might be ready for the final to play as a sub...

Posted by: jefri91 May 16 2007, 06:10 PM

can anyone tell me how this game will be?? alot of fans, chanting and other stuff I hope?

Posted by: Darunia May 16 2007, 06:16 PM

Hopefully, since it is for Costacurta.

Posted by: Tennie May 17 2007, 03:08 PM

Judging by online ticket sales it'll be well-attended. I'm expecting the curva to come up with something for Billy.

Posted by: misha May 17 2007, 07:24 PM

channel4 preview

Milan - Udinese

Milan and Udinese may both have decided their fates for this season, but there will still be plenty of pride at stake when the two sides meet at the San Siro. The Zebretti will be especially keen to cause an upset in the hope that their opponents could have their minds on other things…

The Rossoneri face Liverpool in the Champions League Final next Wednesday and will need to keep on their toes if they are to avoid a humbling in Serie A over the weekend. Coach Ancelotti will want his players to keep their focus, even if there is little still to decide at this late stage of the campaign. And with a place in the starting line-up in the biggest match in European club football at stake no one will want to disappoint Carletto so soon before travelling to Athens. The Diavoli may already be certain of a top-four finish, but don’t expect them to take it easy against the Friulani, especially after drawing their last two games.

Ancelotti is expected to rest several players with one eye on the European Final. Massimo Oddo, Paolo Maldini, Alberto Gilardino and Filippo Inzaghi should all be left out of the starting XI. That means the likes of Daniele Bonera, Kakha Kaladze, Cristian Brocchi and Ricardo Oliveira will all be hoping to impress enough to make a late push for place against Liverpool. Milan will also be without Ronaldo after the Brazilian was ruled out of the end of the season with a thigh strain and Gennaro Gattuso, who is suspended.

Udinese Coach Alberto Malesani’s squad rotation won’t be quite so voluntary though, as the tactician has a number of absences to contend with. Vincenzo Iaquinta, Damiano Zenoni, Dias Felipe, Christian Obodo and Tomas Sivok are all injured, while defender Tomas Zapotocny has picked up a suspension. That should allow youngsters Andrea Coda, Marco Motta and Gaetano D’Agostino to gain some more big-match experience while Gyan Asamoah should keep his place filling in for Iaquinta.

The Bianconeri have now secured a top half finish in Serie A, but European qualification is now beyond their reach. However, after some disappointing recent results, Malesani will be looking to ensure his side keep their concentration. Three consecutive defeats, including losses to relegation battlers Catania and Cagliari, has seen them give up a place in next season’s UEFA Cup, but with several of their star players returning from their suspensions and some of the Zebretti’s impressive youngsters eager to impress they could return to form in Milan.

Man on fire: Gyan Asamoah (Udinese) – The Ghanaian international has grabbed his rare chances in the first team with both hands this season and has taken advantage of Vincenzo Iaquinta’s absence by scoring four goals in his last three starts for the Bianconeri.

Last season: Milan 5-1 Udinese

Form guide: Milan (W W W D D) Udinese (W D L L L)

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Milan (probable): Dida; Bonera, Nesta, Kaladze, Jankulovski; Brocchi, Pirlo, Ambrosini; Kaka, Seedorf; Oliveira

Udinese (probable): De Sanctis; Coda, Natali, Zapata; Motta, Pinzi, D’Agostino, Muntari, Dossena; Di Natale, Asamoah

Posted by: misha May 17 2007, 07:27 PM

This won't be the line up for sure. I don't think players who's gonna start against Liverpool would play

Posted by: KillerMax May 17 2007, 07:31 PM

Costacurta is starting as the captain for sure.

Posted by: kurtsimonw May 17 2007, 07:42 PM

I'd like to hope so.

Posted by: Portikins May 17 2007, 07:42 PM

Costacurta is starting as the captain for sure.

Posted by: LaPalma May 17 2007, 09:19 PM

Costacurta is starting as the captain for sure.

Posted by: Portikins May 17 2007, 09:23 PM

channel4 preview 

Milan (probable): Dida; Bonera, Nesta, Kaladze, Jankulovski; Brocchi, Pirlo, Ambrosini; Kaka, Seedorf; Oliveira

Udinese (probable): De Sanctis; Coda, Natali, Zapata; Motta, Pinzi, D’Agostino, Muntari, Dossena; Di Natale, Asamoah

Posted by: bigmacmtl May 17 2007, 09:30 PM

I think he'll play against Udinese... so he might be ready for the final to play as a sub...

Posted by: dst May 17 2007, 10:15 PM

I really can't see Ancelotti fielding THAT team!! Please don't...

Posted by: KillerMax May 18 2007, 04:02 AM

Ambro didn't play against Catania because he is sh1t scared of getting injured. What do you think he is gonna play against Udine?

Posted by: han2503 May 18 2007, 12:27 PM

Those must rest.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 18 2007, 02:04 PM

Dida also, we shouldn't risk him against Udinese since it's clear that he is getting more injury prone by the minute.

Kalac should start, that way he'll have some minutes under his belt in case of something horrible happening in the final and we lose Dida

Posted by: han2503 May 18 2007, 05:02 PM

Official line-ups for tomorrow's game

Posted by: Portikins May 18 2007, 05:09 PM

Borriello?!

Posted by: han2503 May 18 2007, 05:11 PM

Borriello?! 

Posted by: Darunia May 18 2007, 05:18 PM

I like the squad, glad they are resting Cafu too in case we need him. I'd rather see Simic at RB than Bonera. Grimi gets his first Serie A start.. and of course Costacurta's last home game.

MILANELLO - 21-man squad for tomorrow: GOALKEEPERS: Fiori, Kalac, Storari; DEFENDERS: Antonelli (n.31), Bonera, Bruscagin (n.37), Costacurta, Darmian (n.36), Favalli, Grimi, Serginho, Simic; MIDFIELDES: Brocchi, Gourcuff, Guerci (n.28), Di Gennaro (n.33); STRIKERS: Borriello, Ricardo Oliveira, W.Aubameyang (n.35), Orlandi (n.46), Travaini (n.47).
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Posted by: kurtsimonw May 18 2007, 05:22 PM

Very pleased with the starting line-up. Shouldn't be any injuries worries for us in the Final.

Nice to see Boriello getting a start. And even better to see so many Primavera players filling up the bench.

Put Billy on penalty duty, give him a shot at a last goal!

Posted by: KillerMax May 18 2007, 05:33 PM

Put Billy on penalty duty, give him a shot at a last goal!

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 18 2007, 09:03 PM

Official line-ups for tomorrow's game
I guess it willbe something like this

Bonera--Simic--Favalli--Grimi
---Brocchi--Billy--Serginho---
-------------Yoann--------------
--------Oliveira--Boriello-------

No first team players who have the possibility of playing in the final are called up, all of the bench will be made up of the primavera.

Hope to see Di Gennaro and Antonelli come on at some point

Posted by: KillerMax May 18 2007, 10:28 PM

YESSSSSSSSSSS ... This is what I'm talking about

Not risking even Kalac

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 19 2007, 01:52 AM

So even Kalac is more important to us than Oliveira now. I have to say, I don't see Oli in next season's roster.

Posted by: arivanjj May 19 2007, 02:27 AM

i hope Storari has good game.

Posted by: Portikins May 19 2007, 01:22 PM

The last match in San Siro this year.

Forza ragazzi!

Posted by: Portikins May 19 2007, 05:05 PM

Match underway in San Siro... forza!

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 19 2007, 05:08 PM

OLIVIERA !!!! How the hell could he miss that chance !!!

Posted by: Il Capitano May 19 2007, 05:09 PM

Does some one have a working stream? because the FA cup is in the links that I have.

Posted by: Portikins May 19 2007, 05:10 PM

10min... 0-1. Asamoah.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 19 2007, 05:14 PM

Milan's reserves are kicking @ss

Posted by: kurtsimonw May 19 2007, 05:14 PM

Anyone with SopCast know what channel it's on (if any)?

Posted by: milanista1899 May 19 2007, 05:35 PM

Live audio in Italian is available on the Milan site.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 19 2007, 05:35 PM

GOURCUFF !!!!!!!!!

Posted by: milanista1899 May 19 2007, 05:36 PM

Gourcoff 1-1

Posted by: Portikins May 19 2007, 05:36 PM

GOURCUFF! 1-1

Posted by: milanista1899 May 19 2007, 05:37 PM

His 1st goal in the league

Posted by: milanista1899 May 19 2007, 05:39 PM

Come on we deserve 3rd place!

Posted by: milanista1899 May 19 2007, 05:46 PM

Half time 1-1

Posted by: mchanna May 19 2007, 05:50 PM

AWWW I LOVED THIS GOAL




I need to find a good pic of it *dancesaround*

Posted by: Darunia May 19 2007, 05:59 PM

"GOAL! MILAN EQUALISE! Gourcouff prodes home from close range after Inzaghi's effort had been saved by Morgan De Sanctison the edge of the six-yard box." - Eurosport

What??? Inzaghi isn't playing is he?

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 19 2007, 06:00 PM

No, he's text messaging in the stands ^^^

Posted by: milanista1899 May 19 2007, 06:01 PM

No, I think they mean Borriello or Oliveira

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 19 2007, 06:02 PM

Kaka just recieved an award on the pitch for the best player in AC Milan this season

Posted by: milanista1899 May 19 2007, 06:04 PM

Oh, I was wondering why there was an interview with him & Berlusconi

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 19 2007, 06:05 PM

Lines man .... IS A WOMAN


What a Babe ... She shouldnt be out there, she should be right next to me blowing mmm ma whistle

Posted by: kurtsimonw May 19 2007, 06:07 PM

I missed the first half. But for anyone else not able to watch the game that has SopCast. I found it on CCTV5. Hope it helps somebody.

Posted by: Portikins May 19 2007, 06:10 PM

Great. STUPID Oliveira lost the ball... Storari bad job... and Di Natale 1-2.

Posted by: milanista1899 May 19 2007, 06:11 PM

Thanks kurt - you're a legend!

Posted by: Portikins May 19 2007, 06:12 PM

Sell Oliveira ffs. What a cnut. Just sell him. Can't pass, can't make a fuking shot...

Posted by: Portikins May 19 2007, 06:13 PM

PENALTY FOR US!!!!

Posted by: Portikins May 19 2007, 06:13 PM

Nice dive by Gourcuff! But it can be a penalty....

BILLY TO SCORE!

Posted by: Portikins May 19 2007, 06:14 PM

GGGGOOOOLLL BILLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 2-2!!!!

Posted by: kurtsimonw May 19 2007, 06:14 PM

Thanks kurt - you're a legend!

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 19 2007, 06:15 PM

COSTACURTA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!






GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL BILLLLLLLYYYYYYYYYYYYY

Posted by: Darunia May 19 2007, 06:15 PM

lol forza costacurta!

Posted by: Portikins May 19 2007, 06:16 PM

Billy subbed. San Siro applauding him.

Di Gennaro in.

Posted by: weeeow May 19 2007, 06:16 PM

gourcuff did a superman!

BILLY!!!!!!!

Posted by: Portikins May 19 2007, 06:16 PM

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKk

ANOTHER stupid miss by Oliveira! Unbelievable!

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 19 2007, 06:17 PM

Oliviera is gonna be shipped out once this game is done


They better ship him out !

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 19 2007, 06:17 PM

What number is Di Gennaro ???

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 19 2007, 06:18 PM

Storari

Posted by: Portikins May 19 2007, 06:18 PM

2-3 Udinese. ANOTHER ONE by Storari.

Pathetic Storari. Really.

Sell him and Oliveira.

Posted by: weeeow May 19 2007, 06:18 PM

What number is Di Gennaro ???

Posted by: han2503 May 19 2007, 06:19 PM

Udinese score again

What terrible defending and Stoari made a mess of things there

Posted by: kurtsimonw May 19 2007, 06:20 PM

I said they should put him on penalty duty, they did and it worked. Very confidently taken. (I don't think it was a dive by Yoann myself, thought he was pulled out of the air.)

What a way to sign off a superb career.

Thank you Billy.

Posted by: Portikins May 19 2007, 06:20 PM

Always offside... Oliveira. ALWAYS.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 19 2007, 06:22 PM

What's wrong with Sergio ?! Seems as though he cant do his runs any more

Posted by: weeeow May 19 2007, 06:22 PM

why doesn't carlo sub oli for aubameyang - he is better!

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 19 2007, 06:25 PM

Lucky Storari

Posted by: han2503 May 19 2007, 06:26 PM

4-2

The promavera player with the mistake

Posted by: Portikins May 19 2007, 06:26 PM

2-4. Pathetic. What a shame.

Sell everyone that played today.

This reserves team earn more money than Benfica, Porto or Sporting Lisbon... and play sh!t.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 19 2007, 06:27 PM

2-4. Pathetic. What a shame.

Sell everyone that played today.

This reserves team earn more money than Benfica, Porto or Sporting Lisbon... and play sh!t.

Posted by: Portikins May 19 2007, 06:28 PM

OMFG. Who's that cnut? Bonera or Grimi? What a pathetic situation...

Posted by: kurtsimonw May 19 2007, 06:28 PM

This is not the kind of way to enter a CL Final, regardless of who's playing today compared to the final. Embarassment.

Posted by: weeeow May 19 2007, 06:28 PM

Sell everyone that played today.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 19 2007, 06:28 PM

Grimi just injured himself

Posted by: Portikins May 19 2007, 06:29 PM

still 2-3 ... The officials cancelled that goal

Posted by: weeeow May 19 2007, 06:29 PM

grimi is a joker

Posted by: weeeow May 19 2007, 06:30 PM

This is not the kind of way to enter a CL Final, regardless of who's playing today compared to the final. Embarassment.

Posted by: han2503 May 19 2007, 06:31 PM

still 2-3 ... The officials cancelled that goal

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 19 2007, 06:31 PM

It was a clear goal IMO.

Posted by: Portikins May 19 2007, 06:32 PM

OMG. Grimi is so pathetic...

Posted by: han2503 May 19 2007, 06:32 PM

Wow our defence is getting cut like butter with a hot knife

Posted by: han2503 May 19 2007, 06:33 PM

OMG. Grimi is so pathetic...

Posted by: Portikins May 19 2007, 06:33 PM

ANOTHER miss by Oliveira. This guy is simply... different from the one in Betis 2 years ago.

Posted by: weeeow May 19 2007, 06:34 PM

I think the chinese commentators on cctv 5 are laughing at oliveira!

Posted by: han2503 May 19 2007, 06:35 PM

ANOTHER miss by Oliveira. This guy is simply... different from the one in Betis 2 years ago.

Posted by: han2503 May 19 2007, 06:35 PM

Borriello hasn't been so bad imo

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 19 2007, 06:35 PM

Wow our defence is getting cut like butter with a hot knife 

Posted by: han2503 May 19 2007, 06:38 PM

That is the youth team for u

Posted by: weeeow May 19 2007, 06:39 PM

Yep, too bad we don't have a Maldini in there anymore

Posted by: MizNelson May 19 2007, 06:41 PM

hopefully we'll have him (his son) in the near future

Posted by: Portikins May 19 2007, 06:43 PM

Oliveira really wants to go out. What a pathetic performance.

Posted by: whoarethepatriots May 19 2007, 06:44 PM

Oliveira really wants to go out. What a pathetic performance.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 19 2007, 06:44 PM

Tassoti has a HUGE nose

Posted by: Portikins May 19 2007, 06:44 PM

Boriello... what a load of sh!t there.

Posted by: han2503 May 19 2007, 06:45 PM

Gourcuff was the only one who showed something special in this match

Sergio still looking very rusty

Posted by: Portikins May 19 2007, 06:45 PM

Has he ever impressed us though?

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 19 2007, 06:46 PM

1st match vs. Lazio. 

Posted by: MizNelson May 19 2007, 06:46 PM

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 19 2007, 06:47 PM

Gourcuff was the only one who showed something special in this match

Sergio still looking very rusty

Posted by: han2503 May 19 2007, 06:49 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw)

This is not the kind of way to enter a CL Final, regardless of who's playing today compared to the final. Embarassment.

Did you expect anything different from a taxi squad that's been rusty from lengthy bench duty?

Posted by: Portikins May 19 2007, 06:51 PM

FT 2-3. I just hate to lose at home.

BTW: Chelsea never lost at home for the Premiership since Mourinho arrived. That means 3 years. I think they beat the Liverpool 70's record.

Posted by: misha May 19 2007, 06:52 PM

See you in 20 years.

Posted by: misha May 19 2007, 06:54 PM

BTW: Chelsea never lost at home for the Premiership since Mourinho arrived. That means 3 years.  I think they beat the Liverpool 70's record.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 19 2007, 06:54 PM

GOOD BYE COSTACURTA

Posted by: Portikins May 19 2007, 06:56 PM

Yeah , I heard they made the record few month ago. Very impressive

Posted by: MizNelson May 19 2007, 07:00 PM

His son is 13 already. With his genes he will be ready in 4-5 years

Posted by: kurtsimonw May 19 2007, 07:02 PM

Yeah , I heard they made the record few month ago. Very impressive

Posted by: weeeow May 19 2007, 07:05 PM

His son is 13 already. With his genes he will be ready in 4-5 years

Anyway, who cares about this game. The only important thing is to win the final

Posted by: misha May 19 2007, 07:10 PM

He's 13 already? Gosh, they grow up so quick...

Posted by: milanista1899 May 19 2007, 07:13 PM

His son is 13 already. With his genes he will be ready in 4-5 years

Anyway, who cares about this game. The only important thing is to win the final

Posted by: kurtsimonw May 19 2007, 07:15 PM

I thought his eldest son was only 11, too.

Don't expect too much from his though, just because every Maldini that's ever played has been superb, doesn't mean he will be.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 19 2007, 07:17 PM

I thought his eldest son was only 11, too.

Don't expect too much from his though, just because every Maldini that's ever played has been superb, doesn't mean he will be. 

Posted by: misha May 19 2007, 07:22 PM

I thought his eldest son was only 11, too.

Don't expect too much from his though, just because every Maldini that's ever played has been superb, doesn't mean he will be. 

Posted by: dst May 19 2007, 07:31 PM

Grazie Billy!!!

and... Goodbye!!

Did you expect anything different from a taxi squad that's been rusty from lengthy bench duty?

BTW: Chelsea never lost at home for the Premiership since Mourinho arrived. That means 3 years.  I think they beat the Liverpool 70's record.

Posted by: jefri91 May 19 2007, 07:47 PM

Billy Celebration
http://www.zshare.net/download/pozegnanie-asf.html

Posted by: jefri91 May 19 2007, 07:51 PM

In a recent interview with Paolo I think you posted in this forum, he said Christian isn't even 11 yet. 

I do, the day has been spoilt for me by the result! (and the fact I missed the 1st half & celebrations)  We have made 5 points more than Lazio and should by right be in 3rd place. 

Posted by: milanista1899 May 19 2007, 08:40 PM

same, I had to perform in high school concert so I missed the whole F*CKING MATCH .... I only watched the last 5 mins.

Did Serginho play good?

Posted by: KillerMax May 19 2007, 08:51 PM

You wanna know our shittiest buys this season?

Grimi: He looks 14 but is 22 but play like he is 14.

Storari: You know you suck A LOT when Kalac is FAR FAR better than you!

Oliveira: What a piece of sh1t player. All that money and our hardworking Vogel gone for absolutely positively nothing. And did I mention ? Stupid Brazilian toad.

Posted by: milanista1899 May 19 2007, 08:56 PM

Billy Celebration
http://www.zshare.net/download/pozegnanie-asf.html

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 19 2007, 08:59 PM

You wanna know our shittiest buys this season?

Grimi: He looks 14 but is 22 but play like he is 14. 

Storari: You know you suck A LOT when Kalac is FAR FAR better than you!

Oliveira:  What a piece of sh1t player. All that money and our hardworking Vogel gone for absolutely positively nothing. And did I mention ? Stupid Brazilian toad.

Posted by: misha May 19 2007, 09:11 PM

Grimi: He looks 14 but is 22 but play like he is 14. 

Posted by: Portikins May 19 2007, 09:20 PM

We should send him on loan to some other Italian club where he can play regularly.

Posted by: misha May 19 2007, 09:24 PM

Sell him to any club. Release him.

Grimi was just an excuse for Braida amazing holidays in South America...
Now I understand why the Racing fans were so happy when we bought him.

Posted by: milanista1899 May 19 2007, 09:24 PM

You wanna know our shittiest buys this season?

Grimi: He looks 14 but is 22 but play like he is 14. 

Storari: You know you suck A LOT when Kalac is FAR FAR better than you!

Oliveira:  What a piece of sh1t player. All that money and our hardworking Vogel gone for absolutely positively nothing. And did I mention ? Stupid Brazilian toad.

Posted by: dst May 19 2007, 09:33 PM

This is pathetic... it was only Grimi's first game...

Posted by: milanista1899 May 19 2007, 09:34 PM

We should send him on loan to some other Italian club where he can play regularly.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 19 2007, 09:34 PM

Storari is a 3rd choice keeper ... This is very well known, ever since he came in. He was transfered in, because Kalac was injured along with Dida.

Grimi was brought in in January, he has developed in a way, but still needs time. He is no Nesta nor he is a Sergio for that matter. He is young and Serie A is a very difficult league to adapt to. He needs time, but was ok today, not spectacular, but ok ... He is 22 for crying out load, he is an example of what most of u want in Milan.

Oliviera, I am convinced that him being here is jus to ease the deal with R10. There is no other reason why Milan brought him, out of all the strikers in the world, never would have thought of Oliviera

Posted by: milanista1899 May 19 2007, 09:37 PM

This is pathetic... it was only Grimi's first game... 

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 19 2007, 09:43 PM

Not the only game I've seen him play for us!

Posted by: arivanjj May 19 2007, 09:47 PM

i don't know why we're bashing the team, we should've expected this result... i mean udinese wanted to win bad and we just wanted to say goodbye to a legend.

plus it was our second team, these guys have never played together in a real match.

Posted by: milanista1899 May 19 2007, 09:50 PM

Posted by: han2503 May 19 2007, 09:51 PM

Grazie Billy!!!

and... Goodbye!! 
Wow! Some people THINK!
Ffs... who cares?? Did Chelsea reach a CL final since Mourinho went there? No? Well, we DID. Twice! 

This is pathetic... it was only Grimi's first game... 

Oliviera, I am convinced that him being here is jus to ease the deal with R10. There is no other reason why Milan brought him, out of all the strikers in the world, never would have thought of Oliviera

Posted by: misha May 19 2007, 09:52 PM

i don't know why we're bashing the team, we should've expected this result... i mean udinese wanted to win bad and we just wanted to say goodbye to a legend.

plus it was our second team, these guys have never played together in a real match.

Posted by: milanista1899 May 19 2007, 09:53 PM

He played one Italian cup game before this one .. He didn't get a chance. Moreover, he is young, he wont get better till he gains some experience and understands the way this team moves.

Posted by: han2503 May 19 2007, 09:56 PM

Grimi won't! He was spectacular - as a clown!  If this guy is what we want in Milan we must really hate them! 

Posted by: milanista1899 May 19 2007, 09:56 PM

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 19 2007, 09:57 PM

Then he should just sit at his desk or watch from the stands and study instead of playing! Yes he's young - too young!

Posted by: milanista1899 May 19 2007, 10:05 PM

As for the game, I don't see why anybody on here is getting all drama queen like because we lost a game no one from the club seems to care about.

As far as they are concerned Serie A finished last weekend against Catania, the players and Carlo said this themselves last week, they where just respecting the league and the opponents by going out there and playing the game.

So chill out, we got bigger fish to fry on Wednesday.

Posted by: milanista1899 May 19 2007, 10:09 PM

Exactly. All we wanted is to rest players for the final and say goodby from Billy. With these players a win wasn't a must.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 19 2007, 10:10 PM

Ohhh come now ... ur talking about another subject. We lost thi sone to lift the CL this Wednesday

Billy scored a goal, that is worth more to him than winning ... It would mean more for me to score than to win in my last game of my career (had i been a footballer)

Plus, there is no difference between 3rd and 4th place Same sh1t

Posted by: milanista1899 May 19 2007, 10:12 PM

That is exactly my point, why r u pissed off ?! We have Janku, Kakha, and Sergio to play ahead of him in left back.

He is an under-study, not a first team player.

Milan don't buy youth players or young players, Milan (for the 1,000 time) buy experience. But when they actually get a young player, some ppl don't like it, cuz of an "ok" performance ?!

In any case, he isn't a point of reference for AC Milan, he is just one player, a young player. If he develops good, if he doesn't. The club knows what to do with him

Posted by: milanista1899 May 19 2007, 10:14 PM

Plus, there is no difference between 3rd and 4th place Same sh1t

Posted by: misha May 19 2007, 10:16 PM

Well that's the wrong attitude!

Posted by: han2503 May 19 2007, 10:18 PM

That's what I'm pissed off about, why didn't they care?  I did! We deserve 3rd place like I said before, the season wasn't over. For Lazio to be ahead of us is an injustice - injustice pisses me off!

Well they didn't respect sh!t by the way they played today! It was supoosed to be a happy occasion for Billy, one that we could all celebrate but we were pathetic and humiliated by a side that is mid table! It's embarrasing! 

Posted by: han2503 May 19 2007, 10:20 PM

Milan 2 - 3 Udinese
Asamoah 10 (U), Gourcuff 36 (M), Di Natale 53 (U), Costacurta pen 57 (M), Barreto 61 (U)
Stadio Meazza


Billy Costacurta scored on his swansong, but Milan's reserves lost 3-2 to Udinese with their minds on Athens. There was a nice gesture at the final whistle, as all the players - including those in the stands - went on to the pitch wearing Costacurta's Number 5 jersey.

These two sides had nothing left to play for in Serie A, so the Rossoneri fielded a reserve line-up ahead of next Wednesday's Champions League Final against Liverpool. It was a special event for Alessandro 'Billy' Costacurta, who played his final match before hanging up his boots at the age of 40 for a future as Milan's assistant manager. Udinese had to do without Vincenzo Iaquinta, Damiano Zenoni, Dias Felipe, Christian Obodo and the suspended Tomas Zapotocny.

Ricardo Oliveira was given a rare start and showed why, as in the opening eight minutes he ran on to Costacurta's pass only to slip at the crucial moment clear on goal.

Udinese took control, as Antonio Di Natale's screamer thumped the upright and Marco Storari did well to parry Marco Motta's follow-up.

Moments later it was 1-0 for the visitors. From the resulting corner kick, Gyan Asamoah got ahead of Giuseppe Favalli to nod in.

The Rossoneri fought back, bringing a fantastic save out of Morgan De Sanctis with Oliveira's fierce drive from distance. The move continued but neither Yoann Gourcuff nor Marco Borriello could finalise it.

Former Messina goalkeeper Storari parried a D'Agostino free kick at the other end.

Milan got their equaliser in chaotic circumstances. Ricardo Oliveira set up Borriello from the byline and although the Italian was closed down by defensive bodies, the ball rolled across for Gourcuff's tap-in. It was the French midfield talent's first Serie A goal.

Cristian Zapata had a great chance to restore Udinese's lead, combining with Paulo Barreto to fire just across the face of goal, D'Agostino drilled wide and Storari beat away a Di Natale free kick that split the wall.

After the break Sulley Ali Muntari did well to hook the ball back from the byline, but Asamoah couldn't get a touch with the goal gaping from six yards.

It was a warning and Udinese scored moments later. Muntari found too much space in midfield as he surged forward. Although Storari beat away the shot, he could do nothing on Di Natale's follow-up.

Oliveira's left-foot effort swung wide of the near post, but the referee pointed to the spot when Gourcuff made a meal of Dossena's push as he went to head a Serginho cross. Costacurta was urged to take the kick on his swansong and sent De Sanctis the wrong way. It was the last move of his playing career, as he received a standing ovation as he left the field.

Oliveira again slipped when it might have been earlier to score and once again Milan were made to pay for the Brazilian's problems in front of goal. Barreto hooked down a long ball over the defence and flicked it past Storari from a tight angle.

Siqueira fired over the bar at the end of a fast counter-attack and hit the back of the net later on, but the goal was disallowed for a push.

Oliveira's header swung wide of the near post and De Sanctis palmed away a Gourcuff left-foot finish, but Milan did not seem particularly intent on getting back into it. Perhaps superstition had something to do with it - the last game before the Istanbul Final was a 3-3 draw at San Siro with Palermo.

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Milan: Storari; Bonera, Simic, Favalli (Darmian 67), Grimi (Guerci 76); Brocchi, Costacurta (Di Gennaro 59), Gourcuff, Serginho; Borriello, Oliveira

Udinese: De Sanctis; Zapata, Coda, Natali, Dossena; Motta (Siqueira 51), D'Agostino, Muntari; Asamoah; Barreto (Sivok 67), Di Natale (De Martino 80)

Ref: Gervasoni

Posted by: milanista1899 May 19 2007, 10:25 PM

It wasn't meaningless to me, and there didn't necessarily need to be a choice between the normal starting 11 and reserves/primavera, somewhere in between would have been better.

Posted by: han2503 May 19 2007, 10:34 PM

It wasn't meaningless to me, and there didn't necessarily need to be a choice between the normal starting 11 and reserves/primavera, somewhere in between would have been better.

Posted by: milanista1899 May 19 2007, 10:35 PM

Udinese are only a midtable team because of the injuries they had this season and they where shipping in a lot of goal, because other then that they have a fairly good team that could give anyone trouble, let alone a B team that is filled with primaveras and players that have barely got a look in from the bench this season

Posted by: han2503 May 19 2007, 10:44 PM

Boo-hoo! every team has their problems, these are just excuses. No-one has had more problems than us but we're in the CL final & in the competition next season thanks to the right attitude and hard work, both of which were nowhere to be seen today. When was the last time we lost against them? must have been ages ago, because we're good and they are an average team, not the other way around!

Posted by: milanista1899 May 19 2007, 10:48 PM

No way, just think 0f this, 3pts and MAYBE (because Lazio can still pip us to third place even if we had won it today) get to 3rd in the table. OR going out to the final with players ALL with fresh legs and a good mental state.

For me it's a no brainer. I guess it's just a difference of oppinion    but I can't understand why you feel so strongly about how our B team performed in a game we didn't need to win

Posted by: kurtsimonw May 19 2007, 10:49 PM

Udinese had a decent go at the CL not too long ago, went out to some fluke Barca goals.

Udinese vs Milan reserves. I'd have expected a hammering.

Good result, but the result didn't really matter today, wasn't important. It was all about Billy!

Posted by: han2503 May 19 2007, 10:52 PM

Why do you keep asking me to choose between different scenarios? It's about the attitude not necessarily the weaker players. Would Mourinho have been happy to have lost a game like today? No, because he has the right attitude - he wants to win them all. I know it isn't always possible but at least they should have tried harder!

Posted by: milanista1899 May 19 2007, 10:54 PM

As I said before, the line-up before the game indicated of where Milan's minds really where.

Udinese, as I previously said have a good team with good players, and obviously they got the better of our team who have been warming the bench for most of the season or are just youth players.

And yes maybe they didn't look like they wanted to win the game as much as they should or maybe they wheren't trying hard enough, but really, I don't care, if resting the players will help us win on Wednesday then everyone will even forget that this game was played, let alone that we lost it.

The fact that we made it as far as the CL final despite the problems we've had and the worst season we had in years just shows what this team is made of, one stupid game doesn't change that in my eyes.

I'm not saying that I didn't want them to win, because no one like to lose and everyone likes to win, but if in the end the loss of this game was a samll price o pay in order for us to get #7, then I really don't care that we lost it. Simple as that really

Posted by: han2503 May 19 2007, 10:59 PM

That's exactly what I do care about!

I won't.

No, I'm not saying it does.

Fair enough 

Posted by: milanista1899 May 19 2007, 11:04 PM

Because there was a choice! And Carlo must think like me since he chose to rest everyone that has ANY chance to play in Athens.

A coach has to make a choice and Carlo made one.

As for the Mourinho thing, A clever poster    here just said that Mourinho never took Chelsea to the CL final with his so called 'I want to win everything' mentality where as our simpleton coach took us to 3.

Posted by: kurtsimonw May 19 2007, 11:05 PM

Because there was a choice! And Carlo must think like me since he chose to rest everyone that has ANY chance to play in Athens.

A coach has to make a choice and Carlo made one.

As for the Mourinho thing, A clever poster    here just said that Mourinho never took Chelsea to the CL final with his so called 'I want to win everything' mentality where as our simpleton coach took us to 3.

Posted by: milanista1899 May 19 2007, 11:08 PM

Yep I understand the fact that you would expect the reserves to at least try abit harder to impress. That is something that I find irritating myself, but I still woudn't have played the starters just to get the 3 points.

You telling me that if we win the CL, you would still find this loss irritating?

Yeah I know.

Thankyou 

Posted by: han2503 May 19 2007, 11:11 PM

But not between one thing or the other but the secret 3rd option (that apparently only I could see) Maybe it's cos I think outside the box a bit.

They went out in the semi-final 2yrs ago thanks to a none existent goal from Alonso, this year they went out on penalties. What has that got to do with his mentality? It's to do with bad luck. Ok, Valdano said that Benitez & Mourinho are the same, Benitez has been in 2 of the same finals as us and won 1 (so far)!

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 19 2007, 11:12 PM

You don't NEED to take them to the Final to be called a winner.

In his 3 years at Chelsea he has been knocked out by great team.
1st season: Liverpool (Eventual winner) in the semi-finals.
2nd season: Barcelona (Eventual winner) in the round of 16.
3rd season: Liverpool (Current finalists) in the semi-finals.

His record is as good as Milan's in the last few years. He has done a superb job.

Posted by: kurtsimonw May 19 2007, 11:13 PM

If we picked our best 11 players, there's always the possiblity we could have lost just as comfortably. Then there's also the risk of injury.

Not only that it would put them in a bad mentality going into the game, I wouldn't risk that for 3 points. The result meant nothing to me, the fact that 'Sandro scored in his last ever game at the San Siro was better than the win.

Posted by: han2503 May 19 2007, 11:15 PM

I wouldn't have played all the starters myself, just a few who haven't played most games this season (no noobs)

Yes. Especially if we don't get 3rd place!

Posted by: milanista1899 May 19 2007, 11:18 PM

If we picked our best 11 players, there's always the possiblity we could have lost just as comfortably. Then there's also the risk of injury.

Not only that it would put them in a bad mentality going into the game, I wouldn't risk that for 3 points. The result meant nothing to me, the fact that 'Sandro scored in his last ever game at the San Siro was better than the win.

Posted by: han2503 May 19 2007, 11:22 PM

You don't NEED to take them to the Final to be called a winner.

In his 3 years at Chelsea he has been knocked out by great team.
1st season: Liverpool (Eventual winner) in the semi-finals.
2nd season: Barcelona (Eventual winner) in the round of 16.
3rd season: Liverpool (Current finalists) in the semi-finals.

His record is as good as Milan's in the last few years. He has done a superb job.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 19 2007, 11:22 PM

As I said above, I wouldn't have played our BEST 11 either, just a few (3 or 4 maybe) that didn't need as much rest as others (or that won't start/will be on the bench in Athens). But not so many primavera either.

Posted by: milanista1899 May 19 2007, 11:25 PM

But if someone got injured in the game then what? would you really trust Brocchi instead of Ambro or Rino in the final just because we risked one of them because of 3 points against Udinese?

Just think of this, if we win on Wednesday we will go through to the CL group stages without going through the qualifiers, that's as good as getting to first or second in the league.

And in the end 3rd place and 4th are practically the same thing.

And winning it today still wouldn't have assured us 3rd spot since Lazio will probably win tomorrow and get back ahead of us in the table

Posted by: han2503 May 19 2007, 11:26 PM

As I said above, I wouldn't have played our BEST 11 either, just a few (3 or 4 maybe) that didn't need as much rest as others (or that won't start/will be on the bench in Athens). But not so many primavera either.

Posted by: han2503 May 19 2007, 11:29 PM

I wouldn't have played Ambro or Rino. A lot of people underestimate Brocchi!

If we won and Lazio win tomorrow, we'd still be on equal points, they wouldn't be ahead of us. If they win now they'll be 3 points clear - almost guaranteed 3rd place!( )

Posted by: milanista1899 May 19 2007, 11:38 PM

3 or 4 who would start from the bench on Wednesday ... Started in this game; Bonera, Broochi, Gourcuff, Sergio, Simic, and Favali .. Enough dont u think
I'm sorry, but I dont see the point in ur argument any more.

Posted by: milanista1899 May 19 2007, 11:43 PM

Let's face it, Brocchi is good against Catania and Reggina, but everyone saw what he is capable of against high quality opposition    (I'm talking about how he gifted Man U the winner at OT)

Posted by: milanista1899 May 19 2007, 11:50 PM

Ok so you mean maybe Cafu and maybe Gila? But the others are all certain starters that cannot be risked.

To tell you the truth it would have been better had we played like this

Cafu--Billy--Bonera--Favalli
-Gourcuff--Brocchi--Sergio-
----------Di Gennaro---------
------Gilardino--Oliveira-----

We would have probably won it, but maybe Calro wanted to give some of the young ones some playing time and didn't want to risk either Cafu or Gila in case of something happening to either Oddo or Pippo.

All possibilities need to be considered before such a big game as is the CL final

Posted by: kurtsimonw May 19 2007, 11:55 PM

Carlo first season with Milan -> UEFA Cup Semi Final (this is after picking the team up off the floor from the hands of that Turkish idiot)
Carlo second season with Milan -> Winners
Carlo third season with Milan -> Quarter final
Caro fourth season with Milan -> Runners up
Carlo fifth season with Milan -> Semi final
Carlo sixth season with Milan -> In the final once again

Now don't tell me this can be compared to Mourinho's record. The fact that we have always gone past the last 16 under Carlo speaks volumes in itself

Posted by: MizNelson May 20 2007, 12:01 AM

That was 1 mistake, what about Dida's howler that gave them the 1st goal in that game?

Posted by: kurtsimonw May 20 2007, 12:04 AM

What howler was that?

Posted by: milanista1899 May 20 2007, 12:05 AM

What howler was that?

Posted by: milanista1899 May 20 2007, 12:07 AM

Where he let ROnaldo's header hit him, then pushed it into his own net.

How Ronaldo claimed the goal I'll never know. 

Posted by: kurtsimonw May 20 2007, 12:07 AM

His typical blunder on the cross @ OT, giving Man U their 1st goal after 3mins.

Posted by: milanista1899 May 20 2007, 12:15 AM

He worries me for the final.

The Gerrard head was unsaveable.
Smicer's long-ranger he didn't push properly and it just rolled over his hands and in.
He basically handed Alonso the goal after he saved the penalty, push it away from the goal Dida, not to the on-running player.

Posted by: milanista1899 May 20 2007, 12:23 AM

P.S. Milanista 1899, since you're from Lincoln, what English team do you support (If any)?

Posted by: kurtsimonw May 20 2007, 12:26 AM

The 1st team I ever supported was Arsenal in '92. Then Milan in '93, there was an over lap but chose Milan over them the next year. I don't really follow the Prem that much anymore. I've been a Lincoln City fan for about 10yrs (League 2) although don't have a season ticket, I enjoy going to the odd local derby. Not exactly a die hard supporter, just more a fan cos I was born here & lived here all my life.

Posted by: milanista1899 May 20 2007, 12:30 AM

Ah that's cool. Although if Lincoln are the team I'm thinking of it's a good thing you're not a die hard supporter, with all that Play-Off heartbreak.

Posted by: kurtsimonw May 20 2007, 12:32 AM

Yea spot on mate  Had dreams of going to the new Wembley but not to be - again! Went to Cardiff Millenium stadium 4yrs ago to get beat by (local rivals) Scunthorpe 5-2. Good day though & great atmosphere 

Posted by: milanista1899 May 20 2007, 12:47 AM

That must have been hard to take in.

I'm not sure I'll ever get to see the Villa at the new Wembley, unless we have a great cup run I suppose.

But I get to go in October, got tickets to the NFL London game. 

Posted by: dst May 20 2007, 01:06 AM

To some extent, I feel like milanista1899... it's disrespectful to Milan's history to lose at home, even more to lose to Udinese!

But no matter how hard I try, I can't be "romantic" and feel offended by this result for this upcoming final is going to be the most important game I can remember!!

Posted by: kurtsimonw May 20 2007, 01:10 AM

To some extent, I feel like milanista1899... it's disrespectful to Milan's history to lose at home, even more to lose to Udinese!

But no matter how hard I try, I can't be "romantic" and feel offended by this result for this upcoming final is going to be the most important game I can remember!!

Posted by: dst May 20 2007, 01:14 AM

All that's left is to give a reason to this defeat (looking wider, to this dreadful season) and a final present to Billy come Wednesday night!

Posted by: bigmacmtl May 20 2007, 03:46 AM

No way, just think 0f this, 3pts and MAYBE (because Lazio can still pip us to third place even if we had won it today) get to 3rd in the table. OR going out to the final with players ALL with fresh legs and a good mental state.

For me it's a no brainer. I guess it's just a difference of oppinion    but I can't understand why you feel so strongly about how our B team performed in a game we didn't need to win

Posted by: bigmacmtl May 20 2007, 03:47 AM

Exactly, it's not like Liverpool have been playing superbly.

Last 2 EPL Games:

Away to Fulham (Who finished 16th) Lost 1-0.
Home to Charlton (Who finished 19th) Drew 2-2 (Last minute penalty)

And they didn't rest all of their stars, half of their first team were playing. There's nothing to worry about!

Posted by: KillerMax May 20 2007, 04:59 AM

thats not the point, the point is some of these guy want a starting spot in the future and they played like ****. why the **** should we keep some of these losers? like whats the point? you think a year or two downt he road were just gonna insert them in the starting 11 and they'll magically play well?udinese had nothing to play for so it's not like they had more motivation then our players. whether we win the CL or not we have to clean out this team and get ride of some of the garbage that has a accumulated. anyways only guy that showed up was gourcuff.

Posted by: Bluesummers May 20 2007, 05:33 AM

Exactly.

We were playing at the San Siro for God's sake. It was Billy last game for us. It was a chance for all these youngsters show Ancelotti and the crew why they should be considered to play for Milan's Serie A team.

@ han: Grimi had an OK game? Maybe you could say that in the first half, but what I saw in the second half told me, exactly, everything I need to know about him as a player. I play for a division 1 team here in the US and I see clowns like him only in the lower divisions. An average player should know better to not go Karate on every ball when he is frustrated. And he is playing for Milan's starting 11 in this match and I'm going absolutely nuts as to WHY?????

Oliveira is I think trying to stay here for next year. The way he is "playing" right now, means we won't get any good enough offers for him not to lose money. So we would have to keep him. And that's pathetic. Either this or he is sh1t.

Storari? He played for us two times and look how many we conceded. A goalkeeper's job is not to only save shots, but to organize the defense as well. Dida and Kalac do that well. Storari has no idea such thing exists.

Posted by: KillerMax May 20 2007, 05:52 AM

About oli and storari i agree.  About grimi i dont.  First of all he is an Argentinian player and they play a completely different game than Italians do.  There game is all about fast paced flank and hit and cross.  They don't have any idea of what playing a conservative game means.  Secondly he is 21, not many LB in the world are up to sergio or janku standards at 21.  Udinese is not a sh!tty Italian team that we are insulting. Also  It's his first serie A game so you shouldn't expect him to go in playing the same as everyone else.  Confidence is a major thing, which will develop for him in time.  Milan as a club have the tendency to buy experienced players and we go for the occasional young talent.  Out of all the left backs in the world at his age, he got chosen.  He isn't even Italian, so that means there is something in him that has caught the eye of galliani and co.  Just wait till Paolo and billy teach him how to play in the defense properly, he'll become one of the best.  I predict a great future for him.  Bonera, everyone said was garbage at the beginning of the season, but as time went and he was shown how to defend properly by maldini and co., he has developed into a half decent defender.  So my question is to you, why are you praising gourcuff so much and cutting alot of other players, when all gourcuff has done was pretty much come off the bench and just watch the game.  You may argue he scored 2 goals, well the first was all kaka so if he had missed that would be sad.  The second one was clearly boriello's goal which fell into his grasp.  Just cause he can move like cronaldo doesn't prove anything.  For a first game I'm glad that grimi had the confidence to preform like he did in the first half, and I'm looking forward to more than 1 appearance next year.

Posted by: MizNelson May 20 2007, 07:36 AM

Storari? He played for us two times and look how many we conceded. A goalkeeper's job is not to only save shots, but to organize the defense as well. Dida and Kalac do that well. Storari has no idea such thing exists.

Posted by: Bluesummers May 20 2007, 08:11 AM

About Grimi: AGAIN, the way he handled himslef yesterday on the pitch told me everything I need to know about him as a player. In 2-3 years time, Grimi could be playing anywhere in the Europe, but he won't be playing for Milan. Guranf@ckingteed.

Gourcuff?Are you joking? Except for one or two games, where he was at worst, fair, he has been GREAT! In his first couple games? Absolutely fantastic! I have no idea what you are trying to get at. But I'm sure most people here agree with me that Gourcuff is a great great talent and he did very good when called upon, even though he is young and it's his first season. Do you even remember his first game? That's the way to prove your worth.

Bonera a half-decent defender? He is definitely one of Serie A's best. All he lacks is more European experience.

Posted by: KillerMax May 20 2007, 08:56 AM

I'm trying to say that your already defining his ability from one game.  That is wrong give him 2 seasons, if he doesn't cut then let him go.  The word fantastic for me is what Kaka has been doing.  I dont recall gourcuff coming on and all of a sudden the tides change.  Of course he is a great talent, and at 20 he is doing well.  I just dont think your giving grimi enough time.

Posted by: han2503 May 20 2007, 09:12 AM

That was 1 mistake, what about Dida's howler that gave them the 1st goal in that game? how many has he made but he's still the no.1 goalkeeper! And I didn't say I'd play Brocchi against Liverpool just that a lot of people underestimate him 

Mourinho first season with Porto -> last 16
Mourinho second season with Porto -> UEFA Cup winners (Won the treble this year)
Mourinho 3rd season with Porto -> CL winners (Won double + Cup runners up)
Mourinho first season with Chelsea -> Semi final
Mourinho second season with Chelsea -> last 16
Mourinho third season with Chelsea -> semi final

I'd say that's as good as Carlo's. I'm not saying Carlo is bad, since he's clearly one of the top 5 in the world. I just think Mourinho is number 1. Remembering he's done great with POrto, hardly a European force nowadays.

@ han: Grimi had an OK game? Maybe you could say that in the first half, but what I saw in the second half told me, exactly, everything I need to know about him as a player. I play for a division 1 team here in the US and I see clowns like him only in the lower divisions. An average player should know better to not go Karate on every ball when he is frustrated. And he is playing for Milan's starting 11 in this match and I'm going absolutely nuts as to WHY?????

Posted by: kurtsimonw May 20 2007, 10:45 AM

The fact is half of these weren't even reserves, they were youth players.

We should have accepted defeat before it kicked off, Udinese are a very good side.

If you're expecting for your youth/reserves team to be able to cope fully with a decent side, you have to be kidding yourself.

Just look at the Catania side that drew last week?

I'd say a draw at Catania is almost as bad, if not as bad as, losing at home to Udinese, especially considering the line-ups we had.

If our best team can't beat Catania, our reserve/youth team shouldn't come close to Udinese.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 20 2007, 11:11 AM

The fact is half of these weren't even reserves, they were youth players.

We should have accepted defeat before it kicked off, Udinese are a very good side.

If you're expecting for your youth/reserves team to be able to cope fully with a decent side, you have to be kidding yourself.

Just look at the Catania side that drew last week?

I'd say a draw at Catania is almost as bad, if not as bad as, losing at home to Udinese, especially considering the line-ups we had.

If our best team can't beat Catania, our reserve/youth team shouldn't come close to Udinese.

Posted by: kurtsimonw May 20 2007, 12:25 PM

U r comparing Milan to a middle table team 

Posted by: milanista1899 May 20 2007, 08:31 PM

this upcoming final is going to be the most important game I can remember!!

Posted by: milanista1899 May 20 2007, 08:39 PM

Exactly.

We were playing at the San Siro for God's sake. It was Billy last game for us. It was a chance for all these youngsters show Ancelotti and the crew why they should be considered to play for Milan's Serie A team.

@ han: Grimi had an OK game? Maybe you could say that in the first half, but what I saw in the second half told me, exactly, everything I need to know about him as a player. I play for a division 1 team here in the US and I see clowns like him only in the lower divisions. An average player should know better to not go Karate on every ball when he is frustrated. And he is playing for Milan's starting 11 in this match and I'm going absolutely nuts as to WHY?????

Oliveira is I think trying to stay here for next year. The way he is "playing" right now, means we won't get any good enough offers for him not to lose money. So we would have to keep him. And that's pathetic. Either this or he is sh1t.

Storari? He played for us two times and look how many we conceded. A goalkeeper's job is not to only save shots, but to organize the defense as well. Dida and Kalac do that well. Storari has no idea such thing exists.

Posted by: milanista1899 May 20 2007, 08:57 PM

About oli and storari i agree.  About grimi i dont.  First of all he is an Argentinian player and they play a completely different game than Italians do.  There game is all about fast paced flank and hit and cross.  They don't have any idea of what playing a conservative game means.  Secondly he is 21, not many LB in the world are up to sergio or janku standards at 21.  Udinese is not a sh!tty Italian team that we are insulting. Also  It's his first serie A game so you shouldn't expect him to go in playing the same as everyone else.  Confidence is a major thing, which will develop for him in time.  Milan as a club have the tendency to buy experienced players and we go for the occasional young talent.  Out of all the left backs in the world at his age, he got chosen.  He isn't even Italian, so that means there is something in him that has caught the eye of galliani and co.  Just wait till Paolo and billy teach him how to play in the defense properly, he'll become one of the best.  I predict a great future for him.  Bonera, everyone said was garbage at the beginning of the season, but as time went and he was shown how to defend properly by maldini and co., he has developed into a half decent defender.  So my question is to you, why are you praising gourcuff so much and cutting alot of other players, when all gourcuff has done was pretty much come off the bench and just watch the game.  You may argue he scored 2 goals, well the first was all kaka so if he had missed that would be sad.  The second one was clearly boriello's goal which fell into his grasp.  Just cause he can move like cronaldo doesn't prove anything.  For a first game I'm glad that grimi had the confidence to preform like he did in the first half, and I'm looking forward to more than 1 appearance next year.

Posted by: milanista1899 May 20 2007, 09:10 PM

I'm trying to say that your already defining his ability from one game.  That is wrong give him 2 seasons, if he doesn't cut then let him go.  The word fantastic for me is what Kaka has been doing.  I dont recall gourcuff coming on and all of a sudden the tides change.  Of course he is a great talent, and at 20 he is doing well.  I just dont think your giving grimi enough time.

Posted by: milanista1899 May 20 2007, 09:35 PM

We have no one better then Dida, but in Brocchi's cae we have 2 players that are clearly better than him, that's why I wouldn't risk any of the other 2 in case one of them got injured and we are stuck with Brocchi playing in the Final.

Brocchi is good, against Catania and Udinese, but not good enough to be in a CL semi or final. Dida's situation can't be compared since there is no one that could take his place if he makes mistakes he's always assured of his starting spot.
To me Carlo's EUROPEAN record is better imo. In fact no other coaches record is as good as Carlo's in the last five years. Making it far in the EUFA cup and making it far in the CL are 2 completely different things
As I previously pointed out, he had a good game in the first half, even one of the commentators kept praising him for how he was playing during the first half.

But then he made that mistake where he gave the ball away in a dangerous area and his head went down and he kept making mistakes from then on. You should cut the kid some slack, it's not like he's a seasoned pro. He just let things get to him.

People on here keep yelling about wanting youngsters and bla bla bla, but then when one is brought in and makes mistakes because he is inexperianced and new to the high level of play in such a league they want him out because he is complete garbage 

Posted by: milanista1899 May 20 2007, 09:57 PM

The fact is half of these weren't even reserves, they were youth players.

We should have accepted defeat before it kicked off, Udinese are a very good side.

If you're expecting for your youth/reserves team to be able to cope fully with a decent side, you have to be kidding yourself.

Just look at the Catania side that drew last week?

I'd say a draw at Catania is almost as bad, if not as bad as, losing at home to Udinese, especially considering the line-ups we had.

If our best team can't beat Catania, our reserve/youth team shouldn't come close to Udinese.

Posted by: milanista1899 May 20 2007, 10:11 PM

U r comparing Milan to a middle table team 

If Milan dont make it to 1st or 2nd place, then it doesnt matter if they come in 3rd or 4th !!

Because Milan would already have their sights on the CL (Exactly like in 03) .. Comparing Catania to our first team, there is no comparison. But when u look at how our team dissmanteled the champions of ENgland for 90 full minutes. You would think that it is only logical that the team would be burned out, unlike a fresh Catania Who, on any good day, Milan would b1tch slap home and away
p.s. The problem here is that Milan reached it's onjective (4th place) and secured it, so once secured, nothing else matters. They could go on loosing even the game against Reggina. I wouldnt be surprised if Carlo told the team to take their vacation after the CL final and gave the reserves anotehr go at first team football against Reggina. Why ? Because Milan will still be in 4th place even if they lose.

But if we were in contention for 1st place; please take a look at the closing games of last season and the ones before   You'll see Milan on 2 fronts the CL and Serie A. NO TEAM CAN DO THAT CONSISTENTLY

Posted by: Bluesummers May 20 2007, 10:20 PM

Again, WRONG. I can remember two games where Gourcuff came on and made a huge difference. And again 2 goals + 5 assists while playing very rarely tells me that you probably haven't watch all Milan games this season. I have and I can say with confidence that Gourcuff was great for us this season even though he didn't get enough chances.

Posted by: milanista1899 May 20 2007, 10:22 PM

But if we were in contention for 1st place; please take a look at the closing games of last season and the ones before   You'll see Milan on 2 fronts the CL and Serie A. NO TEAM CAN DO THAT CONSISTENTLY

Posted by: Bluesummers May 20 2007, 10:25 PM

We already have Oddo, Cafu, Janku, Sergio, even Favalli & Paolo have been known to do that!

He sounds like Coloccini and we know what happened to/with him! 

I don't expect him to be up to Sergio or Janku's standard, that's why I don't get why he played. 

We can't wait for him to learn off Paolo & Billy, we don't have that long!

Meanwhile he's wasting his career when he could be playing elsewhere. 

You can't seriously be comparing Grimi to Bonera?   

In that case, nothing personal but I hope you'll be disappointed 

Posted by: milanista1899 May 20 2007, 10:30 PM

I missed only the first two games of the season, that was due to my cable provider lacking brains.  I've seen every other match but i have to say that the hype that was given to gourcuff was alot higher than it should have been.  People were comparing him to zizou and some were even comparing him to messi.  I'm not saying he isn't good, he is terrific but not as high as some his age such as messi fabregas or rooney.

Posted by: milanista1899 May 20 2007, 10:37 PM

Bonera is 25-26.  Grimi is 21-22.  That is 4 years difference.  I just can't believe that you expect him to come from an entire different league and automatically adjust like everyone else within one season and only playing one Italian "SERIE A" game.  The other game was against a maltanese team, which no offense to han cannot be compared with udinese.  He did great in the first half and at least deserves another season from my point of view.  Some confidence and a little bit of help from the greats and he will develop.  It was billy's last game i know it must be difficult for you guys to have to accept defeat, but in no way is carlo gonna contemplate CL final and retirement in the same sentence.  Billy's last game in the san siro was great and he scored a penalty.  I dont look at this game when i think of billy.  I hope you guys also forget it too.  Even though we lost, i'm fine with it.  Onto CL.

Posted by: kurtsimonw May 20 2007, 11:04 PM

That's one of the many reasons why you can't compare them! 

Good! don't believe that because that is so NOT what I expect! Why doesn't anyone take any notice of what I say? You all seem to get me wrong & misunderstand me, it's so frustrating at times!

Yes he came from Argentina - Racing - and like Porty said his own fans were glad to see the back of him, so why do you expect him to be any good here? after 1, 2 seasons - it makes no difference!

Posted by: MizNelson May 21 2007, 12:10 AM

Joey Barton is undoubtedly Man City's best player, their only player. Everybody at the club, fans included, will be happy to see him leave.

Posted by: kurtsimonw May 21 2007, 12:34 AM

Barton is fast becoming the EPL's version of Pacman Jones.

Posted by: KillerMax May 21 2007, 12:40 AM

I missed only the first two games of the season, that was due to my cable provider lacking brains.  I've seen every other match but i have to say that the hype that was given to gourcuff was alot higher than it should have been.  People were comparing him to zizou and some were even comparing him to messi.  I'm not saying he isn't good, he is terrific but not as high as some his age such as messi fabregas or rooney.

Posted by: kurtsimonw May 21 2007, 12:52 AM

I'm glad you have watched most of the games.

Gourcuff is not Zidane neither is he Messi. He is Gourcuff. He is one of those unique players that will become special. Either here in Milan or somewhere else. The only thing that worries me is the fact that he will have a very very tough time finding space in this team and a player his age needs to play more to develop.

Posted by: bigmacmtl May 21 2007, 02:30 AM

Just because the fans don't like him it doesn't mean he's a bad player.

Joey Barton is undoubtedly Man City's best player, their only player.

Everybody at the club, fans included, will be happy to see him leave.

Posted by: bigmacmtl May 21 2007, 02:35 AM

what i've noticed is that over the pas 2-3 seasons our B team has struggled. whenever we had to play the b squad, they rarely ever got us the results we needed. and any championship team needs bench players to step up when asked to perform. if we want to win serie a next season we're gonna have to improove on our depth. obviously this game ment nothing as far as overall season in concerned but really how often do our fringe players win games?

Posted by: milanista1899 May 21 2007, 04:27 AM

Just because the fans don't like him it doesn't mean he's a bad player.

Joey Barton is undoubtedly Man City's best player, their only player.

Everybody at the club, fans included, will be happy to see him leave.

Posted by: Tennie May 21 2007, 11:02 PM

Hiho, all. I'm just back from Milan and will add my observations on the game. Apologies in advance if I don't make much sense, as I'm knackered and whacked out on painkillers (I broke two toes at the stadium and it is NOT fun hobbling around cobblestone streets afterward like that).

Anyway, as for things that stuck out.....

1. If you go to the San Siro, sitting on the Orange side is generally a good place to be. I was able to get Tribune seats from the Milan Point store and was sitting opposite the Milan bench. Behind the bench was the VIP area where the first team players were watching. I only realized it was them when, after Billy scored his goal, Pippo Inzaghi stood up on the railing and did the sort of cheer he usually does when HE scores.

2. The ovations for Billy. There were several of them. First was when the players came out for their warmups. Then when the teams came out (when Billy had his son with him). Then again when they took their places for kick-off. And of course a huge ovation when he scored the penalty. The roars were deafening when he was substituted and when he took his lap of honor. It was a really nice touch when the first team players all came out wearing Costacurta jerseys. (did anyone get a clip of that whole scene? Amazing, that. Seemed to me that Maldini and Nesta were the ringleaders of the 'toss Billy into the air' thing).

3. The Curva was in fine voice, for the entire game. There were a lot of cheers for Billy of course, but general cheering throughout the whole game. There were even chants of 'Juve Juve Vafancullo' when they showed the score of the Juve-Arezzo game on the screen (Juve 5-Arezzo 1). The Curva (as well as the rest of the crowd) didn't seem terribly upset or surprised that Milan lost. It was more of a 'let's celebrate Billy' attitude.

4. The kids. Granted, some of them looked a little shaky, but most of 'em hadn't seen a Serie A game all year. Di Gennaro had a couple of good runs and looks to be a talent for the future. Grimi...well, he started well but had some howler moves on defensive coverage. The one who impressed me (and the native Milanese sitting around me) was Darmian, who's a Berretti, not a Primavera. He looked pretty good, IMO, for a kid. The Milanese commented jokingly that it was nice to see him playing with the 'Grande' (which could either mean 'the grownups' or 'the first team'), to which one guy behind me commented jokingly, 'You think that Gourcuff is a Grande?'.

5. Oliveira. This guy lost or misplayed EVERY SINGLE BALL. He was horrible! Borriello wasn't spectacular but he at least tried. Can we give Oliveira to the Merda or something? I don't care if the team makes a loss, but this guy is useless.

6. Scarves for sale. There were several CL Final scarves on sale (t-shirts too), and one other scarf I found particularly amusing. Rough translation is: 'WE (in red and black) will be playing the CL Final on May 23. YOU (in blue and black) will be shopping in Milan.'

7. VIPs in the audience. Donadoni was there. Savicevic was there. I think Boban was there too. (side note: I saw Donadoni after the game in downtown Milan.)

In general, no, it wasn't the best of games in a pure footballing sense. But I don't think many people at the stadium were really expecting one. Everyone's thinking ahead to Athens. The game WAS, however, a fine send-off for Billy, and I'm glad I was there.

Posted by: KillerMax May 21 2007, 11:28 PM

Amazing observations Tennie. Thanks for that.

Posted by: kurtsimonw May 22 2007, 12:58 AM

Amazing observations Tennie. Thanks for that.

Posted by: Portikins May 22 2007, 01:24 AM

Nice read Tennie. Vewy nice.

Now... back to business:

Sell Borriello. Sell Oliveira. Sell Brocchi.
Get Vieri.

Vieri's left ankle > Oliveira

Posted by: kurtsimonw May 22 2007, 01:27 AM

Nice read Tennie. Vewy nice.

Now... back to business:

Sell Borriello. Sell Oliveira. Sell Brocchi.
Get Vieri.

Vieri's left ankle > Oliveira

Posted by: milanista1899 May 23 2007, 07:24 PM

Hiho, all. I'm just back from Milan and will add my observations on the game. Apologies in advance if I don't make much sense, as I'm knackered and whacked out on painkillers (I broke two toes at the stadium and it is NOT fun hobbling around cobblestone streets afterward like that).

Anyway, as for things that stuck out.....

1. If you go to the San Siro, sitting on the Orange side is generally a good place to be. I was able to get Tribune seats from the Milan Point store and was sitting opposite the Milan bench. Behind the bench was the VIP area where the first team players were watching. I only realized it was them when, after Billy scored his goal, Pippo Inzaghi stood up on the railing and did the sort of cheer he usually does when HE scores.

2. The ovations for Billy. There were several of them. First was when the players came out for their warmups. Then when the teams came out (when Billy had his son with him). Then again when they took their places for kick-off. And of course a huge ovation when he scored the penalty. The roars were deafening when he was substituted and when he took his lap of honor. It was a really nice touch when the first team players all came out wearing Costacurta jerseys. (did anyone get a clip of that whole scene? Amazing, that. Seemed to me that Maldini and Nesta were the ringleaders of the 'toss Billy into the air' thing).

3. The Curva was in fine voice, for the entire game. There were a lot of cheers for Billy of course, but general cheering throughout the whole game. There were even chants of 'Juve Juve Vaffanculo' when they showed the score of the Juve-Arezzo game on the screen (Juve 5-Arezzo 1). The Curva (as well as the rest of the crowd) didn't seem terribly upset or surprised that Milan lost. It was more of a 'let's celebrate Billy' attitude.

4. The kids. Granted, some of them looked a little shaky, but most of 'em hadn't seen a Serie A game all year. Di Gennaro had a couple of good runs and looks to be a talent for the future. Grimi...well, he started well but had some howler moves on defensive coverage. The one who impressed me (and the native Milanese sitting around me) was Darmian, who's a Berretti, not a Primavera. He looked pretty good, IMO, for a kid. The Milanese commented jokingly that it was nice to see him playing with the 'Grande' (which could either mean 'the grownups' or 'the first team'), to which one guy behind me commented jokingly, 'You think that Gourcuff is a Grande?'.

5. Oliveira. This guy lost or misplayed EVERY SINGLE BALL. He was horrible! Borriello wasn't spectacular but he at least tried. Can we give Oliveira to the Merda or something? I don't care if the team makes a loss, but this guy is useless.

6. Scarves for sale. There were several CL Final scarves on sale (t-shirts too), and one other scarf I found particularly amusing. Rough translation is: 'WE (in red and black) will be playing the CL Final on May 23. YOU (in blue and black) will be shopping in Milan.'

7. VIPs in the audience. Donadoni was there. Savicevic was there. I think Boban was there too. (side note: I saw Donadoni after the game in downtown Milan.)

In general, no, it wasn't the best of games in a pure footballing sense. But I don't think many people at the stadium were really expecting one. Everyone's thinking ahead to Athens. The game WAS, however, a fine send-off for Billy, and I'm glad I was there.