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post Apr 28 2019, 02:20 AM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 26 2019, 09:34 AM) *
Almost none of the players were there decision, so it won't happen. At fault are Fassone and Mirabelli who splashed much money into nothing.

Also, keeping Rino was fair choice back then -


Was it? We already failed with a tonne of our ex-players as manager. After we lucked out on Sacchi who turned out to be an incredible manager for us after a modest at best football career (obviously not with us), then lucked out again with Ancelotti, we've had an obsession with trying to luck out with our own players - it's not worked once.

It's not come close to it. It's been an embarrassment every time.

It wasn't a fair choice - it was another terrible one - as I said before his appointment and emphasised in recent months, this guy failed at Sion and Crete before doing ok with our kids. This is NOT Milan manager material, even if we like the man. Look at all the duds since Allegri (he wasn't a dud, sorry Han, he's the best manager we've had aside Ancelotti and Capello since Sacchi) - all the ex-players we've hoped to luck out on.

Unfortunately we don't have the money to afford the kind of manager we need to be where we want to be. And we're miles off being attractive enough to bring him in even if we did have the cash.

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even if it was mostly for sentimental reasons. But now he must go.


New manager isn't going to make the terrible squad we continue to have suddenly become Liverpool.

The best example I have is indeed the Scousers - they brought in a world class manager, but it's taken Klopp four years to build one of the best clubs in Europe - and a LOT of money.

Now they're reaping the rewards - they've become a stunningly good team, with the world's best defender, and he even took an above average Roma Salah and turned him into one of the best strikers in the world. They are now, this season, an attractive club who can now lure the world's best players.

But that took half a decade (or 30 years if you look at the last time they won the title). It took patience - but appointing a superb manager was the starting point.

What have we done since Allegri? Wasted cash on absolute cr*p and appointed pathetic managers.

We've shown no ambition and made a hundred errors in every area of recruitment.

We've basically thrown dice and hoped for the best, rather than actually planning, strategically, how to achieve that.

And as long as we keep on promoting the next mediocre coach from the primavera or bring in some greek coach Bathinaikos who lie 5th in Olympic Division that is how it'll stay.

It's horrible how Milan are 'run' now.
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post Apr 28 2019, 12:19 PM
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Obviously names like Mourinho, Klopp or Ancelotti won't sign for Milan. So we gotta settle for other options. Seedorf worked IMO and should have got a better chance, Inzaghi wasn't good. Mihajlovic and Montella were not as bad as one might think. That being sad, I don't think it's particularly necessary to re-examine the whole pallette of coaches we had prior to Rino. Bad management + bad players choices/signings + inexperienced coaches - what's there to expect? And this especially for Mirabelli and Fassone who in the end resulted, very unsurprisingly, with a disaster of their own.

The mistake Leo and Paolo made is simple: they should have gone for Carletto all the way. I'm positive Ancelotti would have signed for Milan this summer if we tried convincingly to sign him and also offered Rino his old position or some back room position. But well - we wanted to be fair and give a chance to the man who made the best out of a messy season.

But no more memory lane. Bringing in Liverpool now to the discussion brings little because there's little comparative material. Our survival depends on reaching 4th spot. Take a look at what happens in Germany for example - interim coaches and fireman managers at Schalke, Stuttgart, etc. shake up teams and bring them to success with new motivational impulses. Same happens in Serie A with Bologna under Mihajlovic. Hell, same happened when Cesare Maldini replaced Zaccheroni at Milan. So I really think that if Milan is unable to strike a deal with say Conte, we have to let go of Rino and bring in a fireman. At least that way we're trying to do something other then slowly watching this team and all hope die a slow death.

But well, perhaps we'll win Torino today ... and well ...
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post Apr 28 2019, 08:55 PM
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Honestly cannot take watching this team anymore

I've been a staunch supporter of Rino but this is beyond bad. He needs to go, today before tomorrow

We've been in 4th place since October or November and we've f@cked it up in the span of a month with just a single victory since the derby loss

Leo and Paolo will find it difficult to do, but enough is enough, we need to make a change to try to save our season at this point
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post Apr 28 2019, 08:59 PM
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Also, these players...

There are just no words to describe how stupid I think they are in terms of footballing IQ. Paqueta is the only one that makes smart passing decisions, and most of the time no one is on the same wavelength as him

Kessie is as dumb as a f@cking post. Suso goes out of his way to slow down the play to crawling pace, Rodriguez spends more time running and passing towards our goal than he does towards the opponent's goal. Hakan tries and tries but nothing comes off, Conti looks like he should be playing in a Sunday league at this point.

Honeslty, I just can't take watching this anymore. Seeing players who are getting paid millions being unable to make a single smart passing decision during the entirety of a game is just too f@cking much
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post Apr 28 2019, 09:10 PM
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I told you, Rino has to go.

Well most of the problems come down to bad transfer decisions. Kessie is one of the stupidest football players I've ever seen play in constant first team football. He's pretty much useless in modern football so we should sell him ASAP.

Suso is a joke. Just like a few other Milan players who are simply unworthy of wearing our shirt. But it all comes down to the terrible decisions Fassone and Mirabelli made. Splashing money on Bonucci, signing overhyped players like Conti and Kessie, bringing in German rejects like Hakan and Rodriguez... not a single good decision.
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post Apr 28 2019, 09:12 PM
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And the captain adds some flavor to this disaster. Thanks guys, you're really something else...
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post Apr 28 2019, 09:41 PM
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I think our players are simply unworthy. Save for 4-5 names, our roster is full of garbage. People like Conti, Rodriguez, Kessie and Calhanoglu are absolutely appalling to watch. Add to all that an incapable coach like Gattuso and you've got a recipe for disaster. You just don't deserve to go the CL.
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post Apr 28 2019, 10:31 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 28 2019, 09:10 PM) *
I told you, Rino has to go.

Well most of the problems come down to bad transfer decisions. Kessie is one of the stupidest football players I've ever seen play in constant first team football. He's pretty much useless in modern football so we should sell him ASAP.

Suso is a joke. Just like a few other Milan players who are simply unworthy of wearing our shirt. But it all comes down to the terrible decisions Fassone and Mirabelli made. Splashing money on Bonucci, signing overhyped players like Conti and Kessie, bringing in German rejects like Hakan and Rodriguez... not a single good decision.

Up until a month and a half ago things were still going well and we were playing relatively good. It's just been a complete nose dive since the Inter game and it's spiraled to the point where Rino has to go now, not at the end of the season, not next week but today if possible.

And it pains me to say this because this is another legend that was brought in with no experience and no knowledge as to how to take this team to the next level. But up to the Inter game he had steered the ship well imo. Thatbeing said, you can clearly see now that he's gone completely off the deep end and has zero clue as to how to right the course. He's out of ideas and his substitutions today continued to solidify that.

Kessie, is the most frustrating player I've seen in a while. I'm sorry to say this but he's an idiot simple as that really. Every pass he makes I just slap my hands to my head and go "WTF! Why??"

Fassone and Mirabelli f@cked us over no doubt about that, but I just don't understand how the team that was playing so well in December and January could turn to this. Just unbelievable how things have completely spiraled out of control. And I think a good few players have played themselves out of the club this week. Between the performance in the Coppa semi and today it's just abhorrently bad stuff.

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 28 2019, 09:12 PM) *
And the captain adds some flavor to this disaster. Thanks guys, you're really something else...

I understand his frustration.

Look today is completely on us. But the refereeing has been going against us all season, with blatantly bad calls that have harmed us more than once this season

Add to that the Bakayoko fiasco with Acerbi's shirt and then the racist chants plus the giant banana being waved at him on Wednesday against Lazio when the game should have been called off by the referee but was allowed to continue, and things are bound to boil over

The majority of Romagnoli's yellow cards this season have come from him talking to the referees, this when he is the captain and has the right to do so, and yet refs still card him for doing so.

We've been f@cked over by refs in countless games this season, our players were investigated and fined by the league for holding up an opponent's shirt in jest while Lazio's fans hurled racist abuse at our players and that fascist club of their's was allowed to get off scott free with not even a single word coming from the league to even acknowledge that such disgusting behavior took place. Not once but twice

So I can understand how a player like Romagnoli can lose it. I've comepletely lost it too with this disgrace of a league and country we play in

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I think our players are simply unworthy. Save for 4-5 names, our roster is full of garbage. People like Conti, Rodriguez, Kessie and Calhanoglu are absolutely appalling to watch. Add to all that an incapable coach like Gattuso and you've got a recipe for disaster. You just don't deserve to go the CL.

Agreed

The players have disgraced themselves and this jersey this past month. They're all a bunch of unworthy knuckle heads

Honestly, from the starting 11 today, I'd only want to keep Romagnoli, Bakayoko, Donna (didn't have a good game either but oh well), Paqueta, Cutrone and Hakan as a rotation guy, the rest can f off at this point
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Apr 28 2019, 10:31 PM) *
Fassone and Mirabelli f@cked us over no doubt about that, but I just don't understand how the team that was playing so well in December and January could turn to this. Just unbelievable how things have completely spiraled out of control. And I think a good few players have played themselves out of the club this week. Between the performance in the Coppa semi and today it's just abhorrently bad stuff.


Honestly, we weren't really playing that great. Except for the Atalanta game, which I think has been our best showing this season, all other games were just us huffing and puffing to get the bare minimum.

QUOTE (han2503 @ Apr 28 2019, 10:31 PM) *
Agreed

The players have disgraced themselves and this jersey this past month. They're all a bunch of unworthy knuckle heads

Honestly, from the starting 11 today, I'd only want to keep Romagnoli, Bakayoko, Donna (didn't have a good game either but oh well), Paqueta, Cutrone and Hakan as a rotation guy, the rest can f off at this point


Cutrone is an excuse of a striker. He's be great for a team like Genoa, but for a team with CL ambitions? Not even worthy of a bench warmer. I admire his grit and passion, but he's just very poor.
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post Apr 29 2019, 10:58 AM
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Blame me. It was all good till I came back. I truly am a jinx.
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post Apr 29 2019, 11:05 AM
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So... Milan will stick with Gattuso until summer. Then we part ways. What a stupid decision!!!
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Galliani's doing!
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 29 2019, 11:05 AM) *
What a stupid decision!!!


Since 2012 it's the only kind we've made.
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 28 2019, 12:19 PM) *
Obviously names like Mourinho, Klopp or Ancelotti won't sign for Milan. So we gotta settle for other options. Seedorf worked IMO and should have got a better chance,


Too arrogant - had a nice idea in high pressing but it worked the players too hard and it couldn't be maintained. But expected everyone around him to fall all over his ideas and too stubborn to change.

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Inzaghi wasn't good.


Understatement. He was painful.

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Mihajlovic and Montella were not as bad as one might think.


Miha was mediocre, but then he signed mediocre players. Montella was a weird one - his playstyle could be great and some of the best in the country, or abysmal and a joke. No real in between.

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That being sad, I don't think it's particularly necessary to re-examine the whole pallette of coaches we had prior to Rino. Bad management + bad players choices/signings + inexperienced coaches - what's there to expect? And this especially for Mirabelli and Fassone who in the end resulted, very unsurprisingly, with a disaster of their own.


Everyone went bonkers that they were so much better than Galliani. Not really the case.

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The mistake Leo and Paolo made is simple: they should have gone for Carletto all the way. I'm positive Ancelotti would have signed for Milan this summer if we tried convincingly to sign him and also offered Rino his old position or some back room position. But well - we wanted to be fair and give a chance to the man who made the best out of a messy season.


But you said at the start we can't sign someone like Ancelotti?

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But no more memory lane. Bringing in Liverpool now to the discussion brings little because there's little comparative material.


Like us they ended up in the wilderness having been at the peak of English and European football for decades. Like us they were a fallen giant. But unlike us they really went for it in getting Klopp. We never show that kind of ambition.

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Our survival depends on reaching 4th spot. Take a look at what happens in Germany for example - interim coaches and fireman managers at Schalke, Stuttgart, etc. shake up teams and bring them to success with new motivational impulses. Same happens in Serie A with Bologna under Mihajlovic. Hell, same happened when Cesare Maldini replaced Zaccheroni at Milan. So I really think that if Milan is unable to strike a deal with say Conte, we have to let go of Rino and bring in a fireman. At least that way we're trying to do something other then slowly watching this team and all hope die a slow death.

But well, perhaps we'll win Torino today ... and well ...


Hah, fat chance! And I don't want Conte.
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 28 2019, 11:57 PM) *
Honestly, we weren't really playing that great. Except for the Atalanta game, which I think has been our best showing this season, all other games were just us huffing and puffing to get the bare minimum.



Cutrone is an excuse of a striker. He's be great for a team like Genoa, but for a team with CL ambitions? Not even worthy of a bench warmer. I admire his grit and passion, but he's just very poor.

Disagree, I think we were playing very well up until the Napoli Coppa game and a couple after it. I don't think we were all that great against Atalanta either, the end result flattered us. We've been going downhill since the Roma game though and it has been getting worse and worse with each week

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 29 2019, 11:05 AM) *
So... Milan will stick with Gattuso until summer. Then we part ways. What a stupid decision!!!

I agree that it's a bad decision but most reports are claiming that they can't find anyone who can come in for just a month and make a difference

They're not going to sign a Conte or Mourinho now (if they're at all possible), so I don't know who we can get on an interim basis that could dig us out of this tbh

QUOTE (Danny @ Apr 29 2019, 01:32 PM) *
Since 2012 it's the only kind we've made.

Eh, the new management has so far made very smart decisions. Rino is not their guy. They went ahead with him this season because he had not deserved to be let go simply because he wasn't their guy, but now his position has become untenable. Apparently during the press conference he said that he does not get a reaction out of this group even during training. That's worse than bad, and I honestly don't understand how they can leave him in the position when that is the case.
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