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Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 1 2009, 09:30 PM

Okay match day 27.


Milan vs Atalanta
San siro
3:00 P.M. CET
Sunday, March 8, 2009





Sigh... hopefully Kaka is back and we can start winning again.

Posted by: Darunia Mar 1 2009, 10:31 PM

Atalanta is a good team but they're not as great away... but then again we're in terrible form. If Kaka comes back I think Milan can win big, otherwise I see a draw

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 2 2009, 12:35 AM

More of an unpredictable team. Can win Inter 3-0 with ease, and the drop points against Chievo and Bologna. Well,...could be tuff.

Posted by: Darunia Mar 2 2009, 09:48 PM

This is Gazzetta's current projected lineup (and yes it is very sad indeed):

Abbiati

Zambrotta Bonera Maldini Jankulovski

Beckham Emerson Pirlo Seedorf

Pato Inzaghi


Well they must have forgotten about Flamini, he would start over Emerson.

Posted by: novfan Mar 2 2009, 09:56 PM

Is Sheva just not ever an option anymore? Is he really that past it? Why not Pato-Sheva?

Posted by: I_Rossoneri Mar 2 2009, 09:57 PM

Two forwards???? Only if carlo's not on the bench!

And Seedorf wide left

Posted by: I_Rossoneri Mar 2 2009, 09:58 PM

Have you seen Sheva play recently?

Posted by: novfan Mar 2 2009, 10:05 PM

Yes, I admit he looks a bit slow, but I still think he has some quality; I think if given the chance to play alongside Pato the two of them might actually make a good pairing. Sigh, maybe I'm just a bit sentimental;

Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 2 2009, 10:25 PM

Sheva is fine so is ronaldinho. Why they are not playing? I have no idea.

Posted by: dst Mar 2 2009, 10:31 PM

I still believe Ronaldinho is injured and don't give any credit to the stupid rumors.
Sheva is a former great player and a Milan legend. He belongs to the past, I'd like to see him go in the summer.

Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 2 2009, 10:35 PM

Same, chelsea should just loan him to dynamo. It hurts seeing sheva like this. If ronaldinho doesn't play this weekend, it will prove something is up.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Mar 2 2009, 10:42 PM

Maybe Ronaldinho isn't playing because he's ****.

Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 2 2009, 10:44 PM

yeah but right now our team isn't any better than ****

Posted by: dst Mar 2 2009, 10:46 PM

Maybe you hate him ever since he eliminated England!

Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 2 2009, 10:49 PM

HAHAHAHAH OUCH!!!!


Kurt that maldini comment was a bad idea man hahahahhaha

Posted by: kurtsimonw Mar 2 2009, 10:50 PM

No, he was one of my favourite players until '06, then he just got lazy and greedy, then he went ****. Then we signed him.

Posted by: dst Mar 2 2009, 11:01 PM

He never was one of my favorite players (always disliked his attitude) but he's now a Milan player and maybe just because of that I do like him. I think his fitness has improved a lot since the season start and still believe he can get back to being one of the very best.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 2 2009, 11:17 PM

In that case we should keep him IMO. That's all that matters.

Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 2 2009, 11:17 PM

Imo we should sell him to city to make some profit. There are better players right now. We could enter the competition with juve for diego.

Posted by: Tennie Mar 2 2009, 11:31 PM

I've given my thoughts about Diego in the transfer thread. Why don't we move transfer stuff there. This is a match thread.

Posted by: Habitant Mar 3 2009, 05:07 AM

hey dude u must be that english kid i played pool and hung out with in the Dominican rep in 05 you had the barca ronaldinho shirt

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Mar 3 2009, 05:11 AM

i don't think this game matters....

Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 3 2009, 06:06 AM

actually it matters quite a bit man.


this is the table:





If we lose again, things will be problematic if fio, genoa, roma win their games.

Unforutanetly, reaching 4th place will be no walk in the park. 4 teams battle it out for 2 spots. Cagliari are in good form too and they can catch us easily aswell.

We have no choice but to win the next 12 games or things will be like last year and we will have to pray to the heavens.

Posted by: vnata001 Mar 3 2009, 06:16 AM

mtl, explain whatchu mean bro

i think every game matters. We're in a race against the Viola and the Romans. We're out of the UEFA Cup, not that i really care, cuz CL qualification is just way more important. The sole objective of this season has become to survive in the top 3. It's exactly this kind of game that does matter in the battle for 3rd. It's the attitude of this game doesn't matter, only the games against viola, roma, juve, inter matter that IMO has gotten us into the delicate place we are in. We all saw how Roma battled Inter into the ground last weekend, if that isn't any indication that they're stiff competition, then i dono what is..

with that said, the formation that you posted in the Pato thread really should win us every match. But since Nesta is gone and Kaladze is hurt/shakier than ever, our defense really suffers. Paolo, while a great backline leader, doesn't have the physical capacity to do it ALL on his own, and Senderos is the kind of CB that needs someone else to cover for his mistakes. The Paolo of today is a great complementary CB, but not the one that single handedly keep the clean sheet, while accounting for the offense with assists from the back like the Paolo of old.

..BECAUSE of this, Carlo needs to change his bad habit of taking off our attackers and leaving the vulnerable defense exposed with a bunch of DMs who can't possess the ball in the other half. It really truly is this bad habit of his that has cost us so many points this season. So many matches we have played dynamically upfront, creating lots of chances, but suddenly he does one of those Pato/Dinho off, Favalli/Emerson/Flamini/Janku on subs that we've become so accustomed to this seasn, and we instantly stop playing in the other half and defend for the duration of the game, and eventually concede the heart breaking equalizer/winner in the closing stages. This has been Carlo's biggest flaw. This game is huge for him. I'm sure with kaka back we'll get a lead. Its up to Carlo to win some games for us with SOME form of ingenuity. He MUST see that what he's done this far won't work.

I see this game as really important for Carlo. For all the negativity directed towards the team, we still have the pieces to be top drawer. Injuries have ravaged the team, but we're recovering our top players again for this one. If we struggle for much longer to pick up points and maintain the ever decreasing cushioning we have with 4th place, and god forbid lose out on CL again, we could experience a lull for 2+ seasons.

Carletto, you have from now until the end of the year to prove you're capable of greatness. please show us..

Posted by: MizNelson Mar 3 2009, 06:16 AM

Beckham just further proves that you can suck nuggets here and still be allowed to start.

And also starting Emerson, Inzaghi...with a lineup like this, I think Carlo just doesn't care anymore and just wants the season to end already.

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Mar 3 2009, 06:34 AM

It doesn't matter because i feel that carlo has little will to back the ambitions of the club.
Maybe it's our fault as fans but i think he believes there is nothing he can do to save his job at this point, hr would just be setting up his replacement (if any)... this season was doomed a moth ago with all these rumblings about ronnie/kaka then kaka sale, then the terrible injuries then beckham being brought in with or without carlo's agreeing. the sooner this season is over the better.Carlo he has come under ALOT of criticism has must feel he is as good as gone by the lineups (i just read emerson's name :S) and very questionable subs.
The sooner we close the book on 09 the better!
sign, sealed delivered.
Don't misquote me i will watch all the games and never stop cheering for those who earn their colors (pato, flamini...)I just feel if there was ever a time to really reward hard-workers, whether viudez or flamini, for their hard work throughout the same(or in practice) it's starting them in these next games, above skill/tactical exaggeration, i want fire and passion out of this team in more faces then our trophy 19-year old and, say Abbiati.

Posted by: MizNelson Mar 3 2009, 06:41 AM

I couldn't judge Viudez to be anything since hardly anyone's seen him at all this season.

Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 3 2009, 06:42 AM

I dont think your right on that man. If we get 3rd which is our objective, galliani has stated he can finish his contract. Why carlo is doing the retarted things hes doing in games, I even as a coach cannot explain.

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Mar 3 2009, 06:47 AM

he is visibly uncomfortable, and i wouldn't be surprised if this Milan adventure would make him think of retiring, he won the trophies he really don't need to prove himself to anyone.
i, like the rest of you, am only speculating.

Posted by: Ry4n Mar 3 2009, 06:48 AM

My prediction for this one is home win , Milan winning 3-0 with two goals from Pato and one from Jankulovski !!!

FORZA MILAN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Mar 3 2009, 06:57 AM

he has kept busy with the Uruguayan team and he has performed Very well for them, my friend is Uruguayan and he says Viudez is one of their top 3 players (wit suarez and cavani). Again i can only speculate as neither you or i have the privileged of watching the practices, but who ever is the "first to show up, last to leave" type of guy should get rewarded! Let the youth know that possibilities will open up for them if they take them seriously. Iuno i said viudez because i have i guess what you can call an "insider" lol and he watches every uruguay game
Who knows maybe the hardest worker is mattioni...we really don't know but i would pray they get some time as late subs or wtv to prove to the rest of the young player, the opportunities are there for you, "look at Pato, he did it and never stopped trying!(of course amazing form/skill helped him but...i digress)"

it is my only wish to regain some passion and fire i think the youth can supply, in small dosses

Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 3 2009, 07:16 AM

good idea and i agree but carlo picks favorites. Otherwise seedorf wouldn't play as much as he does.

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Mar 3 2009, 07:18 AM

i for one have always found seedorf to be reliable in a AM position, but that's me.

Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 3 2009, 07:20 AM

really? I find him slow, gives up teh ball too many times and is better in a deeper passing role such as cm. Interesting thougts from ya though

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Mar 3 2009, 07:25 AM

truly i enjoy discussing football with all of you, there is no wrong or right, there is only opinions and DST's dictions .

Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 3 2009, 07:34 AM

haha very nice!

Posted by: arivanjj Mar 3 2009, 09:32 AM

forza milan

Posted by: dst Mar 3 2009, 10:13 AM

Posted by: Tennie Mar 3 2009, 01:24 PM

vnata, dude, did you read the REST of Suma's editorial?

The other point he made (and which I didn't include because I was too lazy to translate the whole thing, it's really long) is that the defense is so unreliable (particularly Senderos) that Milan has no option but to attack to keep the ball AWAY from the opponents so the defense isn't exposed. He also suggested that Ambrosini might be a better choice in the center of defense than Senderos.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 3 2009, 06:26 PM

Can you direct me towards the translated version of this editorial, because I haven't seen it yet.

Posted by: Tennie Mar 3 2009, 07:09 PM

I translated the very tail end of it and put that in the 'other' section, han. To my knowledge the bulk of the editorial hasn't been translated from Italian.

http://www.maurosuma.it/ is a link to Suma's webpage. The full editorial's right there in Italian.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 3 2009, 09:09 PM

thanks

Posted by: whoarethepatriots Mar 3 2009, 09:41 PM

Atalanta's projected lineup is looking very solid. If we are not careful then Cigarini will unsettle the defense (and useless Emerson) with his passing ability.

All it takes is a crossfield pass by Cigarini to Floccari which will bypass our whole useless defense and Atalanta can score.

The last time they played us it was 2-1 to them right? I recall them completely dominating us and i expect no different from them this time. They have scored three goals against Roma and Inter so i expect us to loose.

Milan underdogs against Atalanta, i though i would never utter that sentence.

Posted by: Tennie Mar 3 2009, 09:45 PM

They will be without Manfredini for this one (suspension). Is Doni back from injury?

As for who's favoured in the game...hard to say and don't even want to speculate.

Posted by: whoarethepatriots Mar 3 2009, 10:39 PM

Doni is still injured which is a slight relief, but Floccari is more than dangerous

Posted by: elcordobez Mar 4 2009, 12:38 AM

Is anyone going to watch the friendly?

Mattioni is in the starting line-up,i'd love to get a second look at him.

He was a bit slow against rangers but i like his technique.

Posted by: MizNelson Mar 4 2009, 01:40 AM

I didn't know Cigarini had moved on to Atalanta. I thought he was still with Parma.

Shows how much I know.

Posted by: Tennie Mar 4 2009, 01:50 AM

He's on a loan/co-ownership deal there.

Posted by: Tennie Mar 4 2009, 05:33 PM

So today's the friendly in Qatar. ^^^ scored the first goal.

No idea if it's due to injury or just a general rotation but Il Capitano was replaced by Bonera after the first 15 mins.

Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 4 2009, 05:38 PM

gholam scored for al sadd.

Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 4 2009, 05:41 PM

whats the line up, i thought mattioni was playing. I see antonini on the field....

Posted by: Tennie Mar 4 2009, 05:44 PM

Goal Antonini!

Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 4 2009, 05:45 PM

2-1, pato and antonini. Gholam scored for sadd.

Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 4 2009, 05:46 PM

LOLLLLL!!! Kaka and dinho sitting on milan bench signing al Sadd player's jersies. hahaha

Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 4 2009, 05:50 PM

dinho taking pictures with kids hahaha. He's still got his smile on to admire. I really wonder what is going on with him and carlo.

Posted by: Tennie Mar 4 2009, 05:57 PM

Latest story (it's on tuttomercatoweb but it's long and I'm at work and don't have time to translate) hypothesizes that Ronaldinho's doing a passive agressive 'i'm sick' sort of strike thingy at Emerson's suggestion because Emerson's on the outs with the club. Even if that's someone's fantasy, he hasn't been training regularly since the derby so there probably are questions about match fitness.

Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 4 2009, 05:58 PM

sorry tennie, i'm completely confused. So emerson is on his way out? Ronaldinho is sick?

Posted by: Tennie Mar 4 2009, 06:01 PM

The story suggests that Emerson's mad at the club and he's gotten Ronaldinho to support him - Ronaldinho's doing so by being 'ill' (doing this in theory could pressure the club to do x or y).

Judging from Ancelotti's interview about Ronaldinho not applying himself in training, doesn't sound like it's working.

Posted by: Tennie Mar 4 2009, 06:12 PM

Darmian in as RB and Mattioni in as..a winger, I think.

Posted by: elcordobez Mar 4 2009, 06:18 PM

Anyone watching the friendly?

Mattioni and Darmina really owning the right flank on the 2nd half,they defend together,attack together i can see really good chemistry there.

Posted by: Zed.D Mar 4 2009, 06:20 PM

The game's finished? or is it the HT?

Posted by: Zed.D Mar 4 2009, 06:21 PM

Posted by: elcordobez Mar 4 2009, 06:21 PM

65th minute

Posted by: Tennie Mar 4 2009, 06:22 PM

Don't cry, zeddie! (it's partway through the second half).

scored a goal!

And I'm really glad to hear that Darmian's doing well - he's captain of the U20s for a reason, after all.

Posted by: Zed.D Mar 4 2009, 06:25 PM

A to both of them.

(Dubai Sport's not showing it )

Posted by: elcordobez Mar 4 2009, 06:26 PM

lol


Ironically it's the flank with more experience that's being exposed at the moment

Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 4 2009, 06:31 PM

viudez is tearing it up. Why carlo why!!

Posted by: Zed.D Mar 4 2009, 06:31 PM

Having lots of experience doesn't necessarily mean one's better. Darmian doesn't have any experience compared to Kaladze, for example, but he might have done a better job than him if he'd gotten the chance.

Unfortunately Carlo sees it differently.

Posted by: elcordobez Mar 4 2009, 06:31 PM

VUIDEZ!!!

almost...

stole the ball and made a solo run but ended up missing the target

Posted by: Tennie Mar 4 2009, 06:31 PM

who's playing on the left, elcordobez?

Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 4 2009, 06:32 PM

Wouldn't you agree that darmian should at least get some playing time. Look at him, the kid deserves a shot!!!!

Posted by: elcordobez Mar 4 2009, 06:33 PM

Favz/Zamb

Zambrotta's playing in midfield

Posted by: Zed.D Mar 4 2009, 06:34 PM

Tennie definitely agrees!

Posted by: Tennie Mar 4 2009, 06:34 PM

Blue, I've been arguing for Darmian to play more since 2007. and yay that Viudez is doing well too! he was great fun to watch in the South American u20s.

Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 4 2009, 06:34 PM

darmian and mattioni, what chemistry LOL! Haven't even played together but they are covering for each other perfectly.

Posted by: kizo Mar 4 2009, 06:38 PM

Where can i watch the game?

can anyone provide a link?

Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 4 2009, 06:41 PM

http://www.iraqgoals.com/en/ch1.html

Posted by: han2503 Mar 4 2009, 06:42 PM

For some reason I thought the match would be on at a later time.

Hopefully there will be some highlights. Can't believe I'm missing this, apperantly the younglings of the squad are doing great

Posted by: kizo Mar 4 2009, 06:43 PM

thanks Bluesummers




What a Defence

Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 4 2009, 06:44 PM

sheva is definetly past it. He's brutal to watch.

Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 4 2009, 06:44 PM

you should see darmian and viudez. OMGGGGG

Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 4 2009, 06:45 PM

Dida worldclass save. Hes still got it.

Posted by: elcordobez Mar 4 2009, 06:46 PM

Darmian Viudez Mattioni Thiago Silva

All having an excellent game

Those guys are pretty much carrying the team at the moment

Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 4 2009, 06:47 PM

and yet they dont even get a chance, ironic!!! I hope carlo learns something from this match, but i'm sure nothing will change.

Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 4 2009, 06:49 PM

LOL favali was captain?? hahaha. I guess it was a friendly but so much for the traditions.

Posted by: elcordobez Mar 4 2009, 06:49 PM

Game Over 2 - 1 Milan

Very positive stuff from our youngsters.

I really liked the Darmian/Mattioni combo on the right.

Helped each other out in attack and defense really well,they both blocked pretty much every single overlap they tried.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 4 2009, 06:51 PM

What would you expect from someone that never gets to play and is 32 years old.

I think should have Sheva gotten more game time, he would have regained his match fitness, maybe not the speed he once had because I think that is something he lost after that injury against Parma and rushing back to play for the World Cup.

But playing and re-aquinting himself back in the game and in the team would have help him a lot, something that he was not given, since Carlo would rather take off ever striker we have and replace them with Emerson or a fullback he has available on the bench

Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 4 2009, 06:52 PM

I dont think he belongs in milan at all. He takes up needed space. Viudez proved today that he deserves more playing time than sheva and inzaghi combined.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 4 2009, 06:53 PM

Really Favalli was captain??!!

I would rather give it to Darmian then the ex Interista that has only been with us for 3 years. I'm sure there was someone else on the pitch that has been a Milan player longer then him. Antonini would have also been a better choice since he's another one of our youth.

Posted by: kizo Mar 4 2009, 06:54 PM

This match really gave me a glimmer of hope

Our youngsters performed really well

Viudez was really good, He's quite fast

Mattioni was also great

Darmian :love:

Thiago Silva Confident in himself as usual


Sheva

He's past his normal (not talking about the best)

Posted by: elcordobez Mar 4 2009, 06:54 PM

Well he did give Pato that assist but yeh apart from that he was fairly ineffective



Overall Thiago Silva was by far our motm,it sux that he isn't able to play

Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 4 2009, 06:56 PM

inzaghi, sheva, pirlo were all on lol.

Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 4 2009, 06:57 PM

all we need to do now is get rid of the mental handicap and these youngsters will be given their chance to prove what they can do.

Posted by: elcordobez Mar 4 2009, 07:00 PM

I think it would be a waste to put Mattioni as a right back.

I reckon we should slot him in midfield,he has the touch and vision to make a kickass midfielder,he doesn't make too many mistakes either or lose the ball.

I hope in future games he can express himself more and take more chances because it's fairly obvious he was trying to be consistent and always looked for the safer options.

Posted by: Tennie Mar 4 2009, 07:01 PM

Fishdoll would like to suggest a starting lineup for the Atalanta game. He's basing his picks on reports of performances today and, well, players he likes. (Fishdoll never claimed to be objective).

Abbiati/Dida (Fishdoll's neutral here. Dida may feel he's got something to prove but Abbiati hasn't totally sucked so..)
Darmian Maldini Bonera Zambrotta
Mattioni Beckham Pirlo Seedorf
Kaka
Pato

With a suggestion to let Viudez come on for Seedorf at some point BEFORE the 85th minute.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 4 2009, 07:02 PM

You can say that about Viudez all you want, but at the end of the day Carlo decides who gets to play and we all know that Viudez wouldn't play even if there are no strikers or AM in the team, Carlo would rather play Seedorf as a center forward then give Viudez a chance in a compeitive match

Having said that, I think Sheva has as much a chance as Viudez of getting in the team, simply because Carlo does not like him, before Sheva left no matter what personal problem they had between them, he just had to play Sheva or the torches would come out and the tifosi would hunt him down, but now he can leave him to rot all he wants, and he's doing just that.

I already stated how I feel about Sheva and I personally think that had he been given more playing time, he would have regained match fitness, and I know he can never be 100% but I think he could have at least regained 75% of his old self, and considering how good Sheva was, 75% would be a hell of a lot and would have helped us out a lot too. But again, this is another one of the reasons why I personally think Carlo should go, the fact that he plays favourites and if he doesn't like you he'll make it as hard as he can for you

Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 4 2009, 07:02 PM

I say fishdoll for 2009/2010 as head coach

Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 4 2009, 07:06 PM

Yes but the point I'm trying to make is that If we had given viudez playing time in the season like pato, there was a chance he would have developed into a wonder talent. Sheva at 32 is what good to us? Especially when he belongs to chelsea. Sheva shouldn't have even been brought here because all hes doing is taking up room for someone like viudez. Why do you think poor paloschi was loaned/co-ownershiped. I would rather have paloschi or viudez given time than a 32 year old washed up chelsea player.

Posted by: Tennie Mar 4 2009, 07:12 PM

I agree with Fishdoll's projected lineup. Maybe I'm being a bit fatalistic but I'm at the point where I'm not sure we've got all that much to lose and, well, the kids have apparently been doing quite well so why not see if they can get a decent result?

I really like Viudez but honestly think one of the reasons we've not seen him is his stature. The guy's REALLY short - and the big Serie A defenders would have him for lunch if he was fielded before he got accustomed to the game. At least that's my theory. I think he and Cardacio will both be loaned somewhere next year for seasoning.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 4 2009, 07:16 PM

The fishdoll might have swalled an anti-Carlo pill because the midfield has not defensive midfielder...

I personally don't like to see us using the flat 4 midfield, it never works, I've said it in all 3 match threads that we played it and we always play badly with it, the Reggina win was more of a fluke rather then a deserved one.

What I'de like to see (Looking at it from a realistic point of view fishdoll...)



It was a toss up between Seedorf and Becks, but based on how they both played in the last 3 games, Beckham would win hands down, and he hasn't even been playing that well, which should say a lot about how much Seedorf sucked.

Pato and Sheva as the attacking duo, because we haven't really gotten to see them in action together since the second group game of the UEFA Cup, and I really liked their dynamic when they played together.

Hopefully we'll know more new on Dinho as the match approaches, but if he's not fit, then I want to see 2 strikers not Seedorf and Kaka plus 1 striker, I'm seriously fead up with this one striker sh!t, Carlo needs to get over it.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 4 2009, 07:29 PM

I understand the point you're trying to make and I don't think having Sheva makes any difference when it comes to the youngsters on our team.

Case in point last week when we only had Pippo, and no other striker on the bench, did you see Viudez even getting a look in?

Paloschi was loaned out even before they thought of bringing Sheva back, we laways knew that he was going to be loaned, and the only reason Paloshi even got a chance last season was because our only striker at the time was Gila, and Carlo for some unknown reason decided to throw in Paloschi, he got lucky and the kid scored within seconds of coming on, you think had he not scored that goal we would have ever heard of him again? He would have gotten lost in our primavera junk yard, which has gotten pretty extensive during these past few years, what happened to all those kids that everyone raved on about because of U18,20s tournaments and we saw during summer friendlies? I'm sure they had just as much potential as Paloshi, but since they were not as lucky as Paloschi we never saw them again.

And Sheva might still be a Chelsea player but he's obviously going to stay until his contract with them runs out, just like Crespo did with Inter. It's not like we're rehabilitating him so that he could go back next season fit to play for them. I just think had he been given more time, he would have regained his fitness and been able to help us a lot more, but because Carlo had his own personal agenda against him, I probably have better match fitness then Sheva does So I don't understand why you would expect him to step onto the pitch once every 2 months in friendlies and just blow us away with his performance it's unreasonable, and something that could never happen.

Posted by: Tennie Mar 4 2009, 07:30 PM

Han, you're going to make Fishdoll cry with all your Realpolitik!

Fishdoll maintains that the kids have shown they deserve a chance of some kind. They're at least TRYING, which is more than one can say for most of the regular starters.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 4 2009, 07:31 PM

I'm absolutely shocked that you would agree with that sea creature at all let alone his line-up (note the sarcasm people)

Posted by: han2503 Mar 4 2009, 07:32 PM

Advise fishdoll to write that in his suicide letter to Carlo

Posted by: Tennie Mar 4 2009, 07:51 PM

Han, you are a meaniehead!

Fishdoll might have to ask the penguins to push YOU facedown in the ice next time!

(sorry for the OT levity, back to our regularly-scheduled programming)

Posted by: dst Mar 4 2009, 07:54 PM

Fishdoll sucks!

Posted by: han2503 Mar 4 2009, 07:57 PM

See Tennie, the fishdoll is both delusional and getting on dst's nerves with suggesting Seedorf in the "Wishful thinking" line-up

Posted by: whoarethepatriots Mar 4 2009, 07:59 PM

A agree with Tennie, the kids that played today had a hunger and wanted to win, they are super determined to prove themselves, which contrasts with the current team who want to do nothing except get payed to be on the injury table

They have to be given a chance now, c'mon Ancelotti do something brave for a change

Posted by: dst Mar 4 2009, 08:01 PM

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Posted by: han2503 Mar 4 2009, 08:04 PM

I personally agree with all of you when it comes to the young ones, but aside from Pato, I can't see any of them getting a decent chance, even if they literally sweat blood during a friendly, Carlo would still be happy to choose the Favalli's, Kaladze's, Emerson's, Ambrosini's, Seedorf's over them, it's just the way things are atm, and until we change coach things won't change.

The only young one that is the exception to this rule is Pato, and that is only because he was pressured to play him at the start by B&G, now Pato's form just dictates that he's started but before, had he come with a much lesser price tag, we would probably only had seen him on rare occasions

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 4 2009, 08:34 PM

I'm sorry,...what kind of thread is this?

Posted by: Tennie Mar 4 2009, 08:41 PM

We're attempting to outdo Jack's match hijacking. Hey, at least we were talking about a match even if it wasn't Milan-Atalanta.

(Fishdoll still wants Darmian-Mattioni to start, no matter what Han The Party Pooper says.)

Posted by: MizNelson Mar 4 2009, 08:42 PM

Sorry, it's the Westie of Extreme Aggravation™ that calls the shots here. Besides the size difference, he has his way with fishdolls and penguins any day of the week.

Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 5 2009, 04:26 AM

What you dont see are a few points han:

1) Sheva is a chelsea player and in order for us to keep him next season guess who has to pay 150k? We can't realistically afford that for long for someone who doesn't do sh!t.

2) If Sheva ever preforms amazing the next season expect chelsea to recall him.

3) sheva is 32 and his contract does not belong to us. He's slow, poor dribbler and wastes too many oppurtunities. I dont agree with why carlo does the things he does but i would prefer inzaghi over shevchenko any day and i agree with him on his decisions regarding sheva.

Paloschi, even had he not scored that goal proved to be a great player with his positioning and desire to work hard. He defended, attacked and gave his all even with the few minutes he got. Shevchenko hasn't done sh!t, on top of that with the chances he has had, hes missed them or ruined them in some way. That is why he doesn't play.

Besides dont be so naive to think that If sheva ever did start bagging in 20 goals that he would be allowed to stay with us. We would have to pay quite bit of money for him and there is also the factor of his wages. I would rather give young players time and have them develop and continue to become greater than some washed up 32 year old with maximum 2-3 seasons left at giving half @ss performances.


Instead of sheva we should have kept paloschi and maybe he would have developed along similar lines as pato.

Posted by: Tennie Mar 5 2009, 04:40 AM

Paloschi is developing rather well at Parma, by the way. He's not hitting 20 goals a year but that club had a change in management and for a time the new coach didn't favor Young Alberto. That has changed and the kid has been doing very well recently (since Christmas at least), almost always starting and creating chances even if not always scoring goals.

His goals tend to be of a Pippo-the-goal-poacher variety - the kid's got a good instinct. But he WORKS on the pitch, trackign back, challenging the other team for possession, working on defense, creating space for the other striker (Parma usually plays with 2), etc. And the Parma fans love him. Thing is, he's playing on a very regular basis in a league that's got some pretty rough defenders and he's holding his own - he's learning. It's not an entire negative from either his or Milan's point of view that he's spent the year on loan.

EDIT: And Fishdoll offers Duff a Squeaky Toy.

Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 5 2009, 05:04 AM

Yes but we should have him playing for us. I mean while he did get his opportunities he performed. We all knew he was an exceptional talent by the way he maneuvered around the field. But as long carlo is here I guess there is no point to having any youth players here.

Posted by: MizNelson Mar 5 2009, 07:22 AM

Yesiree, I'd say we're so well-known all over the world, eh?

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 5 2009, 11:01 AM

kaka is out for a longer period of time he is defintly not playing this game

Posted by: Tennie Mar 5 2009, 12:05 PM

You're missing the point, blue. If Paloschi had stayed at Milan, he'd have gotten a fraction of the playing time he's getting at Parma. not because of Carlo but because he'd be the #5 striker. It's a win-win that he's there.

Posted by: dst Mar 5 2009, 12:11 PM

Of course he should have gone. I'm 150% sure we'd be talking about how he's not playing and how we've ruined his career had he stayed!

Posted by: han2503 Mar 5 2009, 04:00 PM

1) Sheva might still be a Chelsea player but the only reason for that is because Milan did not want to pay money for him. Milan always wanted the loan deal, simmply because they will get him back for free while Chelsea still pay parts of his wages. 150k? We did not pay a cent for Sheva, and we don't pay all of his wages either. Some might not agree with the fact that Sheva is back with us, but in terms of looking at the situation from the business aspect of it, its a pretty genius one if you ask me.

2) If Sheva performs well next season the only club that benefites from it is Milan, no one else, Chelsea cannot recall him after next season since by that time his contract with them would expire, having said that, even if he was still under contract with them after he performs well he still wouldn't be called back, just like Crespo wasn't called back from Inter after having a great 06/07 season.

3) Those attributes can be as much applied to Pippo, at least Sheva can make assists, he can cross, pass, keep the ball far better then Pippo. And speaking of Pippo and Sheva, had we not had them we would be in deep sh!t since the young striker on the team has been MIA since the very beginning with constantly being injured. If it weren't for them being there as back ups for Pato, we would have run the kid into the ground. As for his decisions regarding Sheva, imo they are all decisions that were made with personal issues being brought into the equation. Had sheva been given some more time we would probably be speaking different towards him. You say he can't run, dribble and wastes too many opporunities and I will answer you the same way I did in the other post. What do you expect from a player when he only plays once every 2 months in friendlies? Would you really expect him to give amazing performances while not being match fit? Highly unreasonable

Oh please, you really believe Paloschi would have gotten another look in had he not scored that goal?? Fact is he wouldn't have even been called up for another game, he was just the usual Primavera kid Carlo likes to sometimes call up for games, we see him do it countless times, and we usually never see those kids again. The only reason we managed to see what a hard working talented player Palo is is because of that goal against Parma, because from there Carlo gave him the odd Coppa game here and there and we managed to see him in action. But again, this all goes back to the goal against Parma, and the fact that had he not scored it, by now everyone would have forgetten that kid who managed to get 30 minutes against Parma.

And Sheva hasn't done sh!t? I agree with that since you can't expect a player to do a lot while sitting on the bench And I'm thinking that we're probably going to see the same thing happen to Dinho as time wears on. I personally don't believe he's injured, I think this is another Carlo issue, and he's putting himself over the success of the team.

I think it's pretty clear that Sheva himself does not want to go back to London and neither do Chelsea want to being him back. Even if he scored a 100+ goals while at Milan I still think he wouldn't have gone back, simply because that entire thing with Chelsea was a big mistake and both parties have acknowledged this. It was the Gazatta Dello Sport editor that was on Chelsea TV who said it best regarding that whole Sheva -> Chelsea saga, "Chelsea bought a Ferrari without having a garage to keep it in".

I'm personally trying to tell you that the Sheva and Inzaghi's are not the one who are holding youngsters like Paloscho and Viudez back because we have them on the team, but it all falls on Carlo and his stubborness when it comes to playing youngters. And I've given you a very good example of when Carlo had the opportunity to field a player like Viudez yet still chose to play a defender in midfield and Seedorf as a supporting striker, this just shows you the lengths Carlo goes to in order to avoid having these kids play in competitive games, he just does not trust them, simple as that.


Exactly, he would have never had this opportunit at Milan, even if our only striker for the season was a crocked Boriello.


You've just confirmed here what I've been arguing with you about in this last few posts. It does not matter if we have a million strikers or just one, the young players still won't get the chance no matter what the situation is. It's something that we just have to accept while Carlo is still the coach at Milan, something that is getting very hard to stand every day


Exactly

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 5 2009, 06:04 PM

Milan (4-3-1-2): Abbiati; Zambrotta, Senderos, Maldini, Antonini; Beckham, Pirlo, Flamini; Seedorf; Inzaghi, Pato. A disposizione: Dida, Bonera, Darmian, Cardacio, Emerson, Shevchenko, Jankulosvki. All: Ancelotti
Indisponibili: Nesta, Gattuso, Borriello, Kakà, Kalac, Kaladze, Ambrosini, Ronaldinho, Favalli (squalificato, 1)


Mediaset projected linup

Posted by: Ry4n Mar 5 2009, 07:08 PM

Galliani proud of friendly win Thursday 5 March, 2009

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Milan Vice-President Adriano Galliani was delighted with the Rossoneri's performance against Al Sadd last night.

The struggling Diavolo ran out 2-1 winners thanks to goals from Alexandre Pato and Luca Antonini.

It will take a lot more to ease the pressure after a UEFA Cup exit and a defeat against Sampdoria, but Galliani saw positive signals in Qatar.

“We had the chance to play in a beautiful stadium in front of a warm crowd,” he told Datasport.

“We were proud to have this opportunity to play the game and it's only right that a team like Milan are able to be watched by people away from Italy.

“I saw some positive indications on the pitch. Now we must return to playing well in the League and trying to get our injured players back as quickly as possible.”

Milan take on Atalanta in Bergamo on Sunday looking to prevent Inter extending their 12-point lead at the top of the table.

Channel 4 news

Posted by: Ry4n Mar 5 2009, 07:08 PM

Just noticed this on the last line of the Channel 4 news report

Milan take on Atalanta in Bergamo on Sunday looking to prevent Inter extending their 12-point lead at the top of the table.

Correction MILAN !!!!!

Posted by: amancik Mar 7 2009, 05:08 AM

Win or sack Carlo immediately. Pato and Inzaghi on the scoresheet for me.

Posted by: Zed.D Mar 7 2009, 10:35 AM

I think no matter what happens, Carlo's job is guaranteed until the end of the season, even if we fail to finish 3rd/4th in the end.

Posted by: MizNelson Mar 7 2009, 12:08 PM

Our situation is bad now, but canning Carlo at this point and bringing in a new coach (and thus a new system) wouldn't help matters. We're frazzled enough this season.

Posted by: Zed.D Mar 7 2009, 04:39 PM

Posted by: Tennie Mar 7 2009, 04:49 PM

No Doni OR Floccari? Man, we got lucky there.

Pleaseplease play Antonini and not Senderos.

And while I'd prefer a Pato-Borriello type partnership, maybe a Pato-Inzaghi one will work.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Mar 7 2009, 04:56 PM

Pirlo/Beckham for AM.. I'm sure it will be Beckham, I don't think Carlo likes to play Pirlo too advanced.

Janku in midfield.. I'm assuming that means Favalli will move to LB if Senderos plays, but I'd rather Antonini get the start!

Posted by: MizNelson Mar 7 2009, 06:15 PM

Here's our obscene injury list:

Giocatori indisponibili: Kalac, Kaladze, Nesta, Ambrosini, Gattuso, Seedorf, Kakà, Ronaldinho, Borriello.

Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 7 2009, 07:05 PM

+1 I hope we can win this.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 7 2009, 07:59 PM

other than kalac all the remaining players are sort of first team starter

Posted by: Darunia Mar 7 2009, 08:08 PM

Carlo will prob try this:

Abbiati
Zambrotta Bonera Maldini Antonini
Flamini Pirlo Jankulovski
Beckham
Pato Inzaghi

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 7 2009, 08:25 PM

favallli is suspended

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 7 2009, 08:27 PM

Abbiati, Dida, Perucchini, Antonini, Bonera, Darmian, Jankulovski, Maldini, Mattioni, Senderos, Zambrotta, Beckham, Cardacio, Emerson, Flamini, Pirlo, Inzaghi, Pato, Shevchenko, Viudez.

Unavailable players: Kalac, Kaladze, Nesta, Ambrosini, Gattuso, Seedorf, Kakà, Ronaldinho, Borriello.
Suspended players: Favalli.

Posted by: Zed.D Mar 7 2009, 11:12 PM

Beckham as a trequartista ?!

Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 7 2009, 11:46 PM

Line up:

Abbiati-Zambrotta-bonera-senderos-antonini-Beckham-Pirlo-Flamini-Janku-inzaghi-pato

4-4-2

I hope we get to see viudez/cardacio/darmian/mattioni tomorow. I mean carlo has very little choices left. He has to use one of them

Posted by: dst Mar 8 2009, 12:06 AM

NO SEEDORF!!!

I'm going to savor the moment...

Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 8 2009, 12:12 AM

haha i was reading your comments 3 years ago on the kaladze is a virus thing. AHAHAHAHAHHA!!! I cannot believe that porty had it right from the start. But whats more funny is you actually liked him I was reading it and I thought this must not be dst, something is up.

Posted by: dst Mar 8 2009, 12:26 AM

Yeah I used to like him, he was not so bad before and I think he could do great as a LB. Then there was that winner he scored against Inter and it helped but he's become so lame it's intolerable.

Posted by: MizNelson Mar 8 2009, 02:04 AM

Posted by: Il Capitano Mar 8 2009, 02:46 AM

I feel the same way. Actually I was hoping for a long absence when he got injured against Bremen(I know it's awful).

Posted by: elcordobez Mar 8 2009, 07:58 AM

Jeebus..

That backline is worrying,but i suppose that's the best we could do.



We'll get to see Viudez/Caradacio/Darmian/Matti @ the 89th minute if we're up 5 - 0

Posted by: kurtsimonw Mar 8 2009, 09:18 AM

I think he meant he just wanted to see those 4 guys given some playing time tomorrow. If Vuidez and Cardacio were playing at the back, we would really have to start worrying about Carlos sanity!

Posted by: Rivaldo Mar 8 2009, 01:06 PM

No trequartista...pfff....it will be poor performance I think...

When Kaka will be back? Are MilanLab's doctors drinking whole season??

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 8 2009, 01:41 PM

I'm sorry to disrupt the Seedorf bashing, but I'll miss him in this match.

Posted by: dst Mar 8 2009, 01:57 PM

Don't worry, he will be back next week, let me have some fun now you sorry _ss Croat!

Posted by: kurtsimonw Mar 8 2009, 02:03 PM

I disagree.

Posted by: dst Mar 8 2009, 02:08 PM

With which part?

Posted by: kurtsimonw Mar 8 2009, 02:14 PM

You.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 8 2009, 02:18 PM

Posted by: Rivaldo Mar 8 2009, 02:19 PM

MILAN: Abbiati; Bonera, Senderos, Maldini, Zambrotta; Flamini, Pirlo, Jankulovski; Beckham; Inzaghi, Pato.

ATALANTA: Consigli; Garics, Talamonti, Bellini, Peluso; Ferreira Pinto, Guarente, Cigarini, Valdes; Padoin; Plasmati.

Bonera, not Antonini))

Forza Milan!

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 8 2009, 02:23 PM

Never heard of the Atalanta keeper before. He's their No.1 all season long??

Posted by: dst Mar 8 2009, 02:23 PM

At last a good and sensible line-up!

I want to see Cigarini in action too.

Well you're wrong!

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 8 2009, 02:25 PM

What means sensible line-up? More then 3 injuries to be expected?

Posted by: Rivaldo Mar 8 2009, 02:27 PM

Hope we will win. We have to!

They'll play without Floccari and Doni.

Forza Milan!

Posted by: kizo Mar 8 2009, 02:40 PM

It would be great to see Mattioni in second half instead of Bonera

Please Carlo

Bring in Mattioni and Viudez in second half

I know this is useless, Carlo will bring in Emerson and Sheva anyway

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 8 2009, 02:41 PM

should have used some bonera as CB anyway forza milan !!

Posted by: dst Mar 8 2009, 02:42 PM

It makes sense to me... starting with Emerson instead of Pippo as I expected Carlo to do would not make sense...

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 8 2009, 02:43 PM

so will be beckham be RM or AM

Posted by: Tennie Mar 8 2009, 02:48 PM

Gazzetta is describing Beckham as the trequartista for the game.

They've also got both Uruguayans and Darmian on the bench (the others on the bench are Dida, Antonini, Shevchenko, and Ambrosini).

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 8 2009, 02:50 PM

ambro wasnt called up

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 8 2009, 02:52 PM

even mediaset have ambro on bench

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 8 2009, 02:59 PM

saw victoria beckham in stands

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2009, 03:07 PM

GOAAALLLL

PIPPOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Tennie Mar 8 2009, 03:08 PM

SUPERPIPPO!

Posted by: dst Mar 8 2009, 03:08 PM

Oh look we can string together more than 3 passes per minute when Seedorf's not playing...

Finally, a Milan's that's moving... 1-0 Pippo! I love it!!!

Posted by: Ry4n Mar 8 2009, 03:08 PM

SUPER PIPPO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GOAL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2009, 03:12 PM

Becks is moving the ball quickly around, unlike someone...

Posted by: Zed.D Mar 8 2009, 03:13 PM

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2009, 03:19 PM

OHHH

So Close Pato

Beckham!!! What a pass

Posted by: vahid Mar 8 2009, 03:20 PM

So it means he is good as a trequartista?

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2009, 03:20 PM

Becks has found his new calling

btw, what feet from Maldini!

Posted by: dst Mar 8 2009, 03:20 PM

Pato should have done better there, shot goes high. Becks found him with an excellent long ball, he's having a great game so far!

Posted by: Tennie Mar 8 2009, 03:20 PM

Fishdoll fins up to Janku who's doing quite well in midfield.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2009, 03:22 PM

Amazing so far, he's not going to dribble or anything, but he releases the ball so quickly and his passes are all so accurate you don't notice that he's a relatively slow player.

He's pulling the strings so well for us

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2009, 03:23 PM

Oh Pato just wide agais, hitting the ball first time, off a punch from the Atalanta keeper.

Posted by: dst Mar 8 2009, 03:23 PM

Bonera sees yellow for a silly tackle.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2009, 03:24 PM

SH!T!!!!

Abbiati down, calling for medics

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2009, 03:24 PM

I think he hurt his @ss when he went down

No worries back up again

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 8 2009, 03:30 PM

top save from abbaiti

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2009, 03:30 PM

Great save Abbiati...

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 8 2009, 03:32 PM

they are looking dangerous rite now

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2009, 03:33 PM

We started great, now we've reverted back to our usual selfs and inviting them to come at us and shoot from wherever they can

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 8 2009, 03:33 PM

janku could have done better good play overal

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 8 2009, 03:35 PM

we are in mood of conceding now

Posted by: Ry4n Mar 8 2009, 03:35 PM

Another great save Grande Abbiati !!!!

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2009, 03:36 PM

Abbiati with another good save

Glad to see nothing's changed

Posted by: armiss Mar 8 2009, 03:37 PM

Why we have such a attitude ? it hurts all of season !

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 8 2009, 03:40 PM

we have no clue how to defend long balls

Posted by: Ry4n Mar 8 2009, 03:42 PM

Another great save Abbiati is keeping us in this alone !!! we have to defend those crosses !!

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 8 2009, 03:42 PM

abbaiti has kept the lead for us on so many occassion

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2009, 03:42 PM

Abbiati again

This is rediculous, are we trying to give them the points??!!

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 8 2009, 03:43 PM

and we have a injured senederos in defence

Posted by: Ry4n Mar 8 2009, 03:43 PM

I think Antonini will come on for Senderos second half , Senderos seems to be struggling.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2009, 03:45 PM

Pirlo almost giving away an early Easter egg there

Posted by: Tennie Mar 8 2009, 03:45 PM

(with apologies to any senderos fans who may be out there) What's the difference between a healthy and an injured Senderos anyway? Neither one should be on the pitch.

Fishdoll wants to see Darmian play.

Posted by: Ry4n Mar 8 2009, 03:47 PM

Hehe in my view on Senderos im just glad hes a loaned played lol

Darmian on for dare i say it Maldini or Bonera second half

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 8 2009, 03:48 PM

HT 1-0 good start ugly end

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2009, 03:49 PM

Fishdoll is still seemingly living in kookoo land

Anyway... HT

And we're very lucky to be going in still in the lead

Posted by: vahid Mar 8 2009, 03:49 PM

Maybe he should sleep and dreaming about Darmian play!

Posted by: armiss Mar 8 2009, 03:50 PM

We dont have players like Maldini anymore !!!!

Posted by: Tennie Mar 8 2009, 03:50 PM

Fishdoll likes his fantasy world, thankyouverymuch. He slips a cookie to the penguins to lie in wait for han!

Hopefully Abbiati isn't hurt. He really has been quite good this season. Certainly better than I expected.

Posted by: elcordobez Mar 8 2009, 03:51 PM

Yeh i don't understand how we can't keep momentum even for a half,especially in this kinda game where the opponent is definitely not at its best and they are making mistakes all over the park.

But on a brighter note it's an improvement

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 8 2009, 03:54 PM

We need maybe a more offensive RB,...but all in all a solid match.

Posted by: dst Mar 8 2009, 03:56 PM

It's the usual stuff defense-wise. We cannot defend as a unit and the back four in particular do not act calmly. We cannot defend high balls either.

But at least we're seeing something different in attack. We actually run and try to be creative. Beckham in this game has run more (not has covered more distance, HAS RUN) than Seedorf has all season long.

Posted by: Il Capitano Mar 8 2009, 03:59 PM

Thats troubling, They lose almost every high ball.

Posted by: I_Rossoneri Mar 8 2009, 04:00 PM

And maybe you're right

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 8 2009, 04:00 PM

Our attacks have to last longer, we need more ball possesion IMO. That should count especially for Pirlo.

Posted by: Ry4n Mar 8 2009, 04:01 PM

Antonini warming up !!

Posted by: dst Mar 8 2009, 04:03 PM

We should push for counter-attacks whenever it is possible but there were times where we should have kept the ball, I know what you mean. We need creative possession though not the Seedorf type destructive possession.

Posted by: I_Rossoneri Mar 8 2009, 04:03 PM

We started very promising but have looked very shaky towards the end of the first half and if it wasn't for Abbiatti we would have most certainly conceded. We need to get some width back into our play and certain players(Pirlo being the main culprit) need to step their game up. At least we're playing two forwards though

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 8 2009, 04:04 PM

seedorf is everywhere in ur posts

Posted by: pandan_wangi Mar 8 2009, 04:05 PM

replace maldini please...
he's getting tired and vulnerable...

Posted by: I_Rossoneri Mar 8 2009, 04:07 PM

Does senderos think he's playing rugby? Everytime he gets the ball he's just launching it!

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 8 2009, 04:07 PM

pippo offside

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2009, 04:08 PM

dst acts like the 5 year old school boy who pulls the hair of the girl he likes.

That's why he treats Seedorf the way he does, because he does not know how to express his looooove

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2009, 04:10 PM

Pato with a good chance, but hesitated because he thought the ref was going to whistle for a handball, but he never did...

Posted by: Tennie Mar 8 2009, 04:10 PM

I heard they had a fight, han. That's why the obsession.

I think Pirlo is doing reasonably well this game. Would prefer him further forward but eh.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 8 2009, 04:12 PM

that pato chance was a hand ball

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 8 2009, 04:12 PM

+1 i want pirlo a bit upfront as well

Posted by: vahid Mar 8 2009, 04:13 PM

Simplicio scored for Palermo.
Palermo 1-Fiorentina 0

Posted by: Tennie Mar 8 2009, 04:16 PM

(Locke, Chievo have equalized). And Lazio just scored on Napoli.

Posted by: Ry4n Mar 8 2009, 04:19 PM

We need that second goal , there gunan pile on the pressure more and more

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 8 2009, 04:19 PM

we are losing the ball for fun

Posted by: vahid Mar 8 2009, 04:19 PM

Now it's 2-0
We have to win and get more points than Fio.

Posted by: Tennie Mar 8 2009, 04:19 PM

Ow. Missed that sitter, he did.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2009, 04:23 PM

Hanging on by a thread atm.

Carlo needs to make some changes, I'm sensing a last minute goal that will again see us draw

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2009, 04:24 PM

Brutal on Janku there

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 8 2009, 04:25 PM

yea but then what can carlo do to improve the defence

Posted by: Ry4n Mar 8 2009, 04:28 PM

he hurt him self , kinda justice

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 8 2009, 04:30 PM

pippo with number 2 what a ball by pato

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2009, 04:30 PM

PIPPOOO

Great play Pato

Posted by: Tennie Mar 8 2009, 04:30 PM

SUPERPIPPO X2!

Posted by: Ry4n Mar 8 2009, 04:31 PM

GOAL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SUPER PIPPO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Ry4n Mar 8 2009, 04:31 PM

Ok now you can shut up shop Carlo , bring emerson on lol

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 8 2009, 04:33 PM

hatrick by piipo

Posted by: Ry4n Mar 8 2009, 04:33 PM

HATRICK HERO SUPER PIPPO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Tennie Mar 8 2009, 04:34 PM

SUPERPIPPO X3! (So, who wanted to sell the useless old striker?)

Posted by: armiss Mar 8 2009, 04:34 PM

2-0 Day

Posted by: Ry4n Mar 8 2009, 04:35 PM

Kaka' in the crowd

Posted by: vahid Mar 8 2009, 04:35 PM

Hat trick by PIppoo.
Now he'll score in every match until end of the season

Posted by: armiss Mar 8 2009, 04:36 PM

Inzagi Here , Inzagi There

Posted by: Zed.D Mar 8 2009, 04:36 PM

3-0 up and Carlo still dares not bring on one of the youngsters...

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2009, 04:36 PM

Pippo hitting his purple patch phase.

Ah we live for these Pippo moments

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 8 2009, 04:37 PM

we need to make a change or 2 now

Posted by: Zed.D Mar 8 2009, 04:38 PM

I can't wait to hear "crisis? what crisis?" comments from Ancelotti and Galliani after this game

Posted by: vahid Mar 8 2009, 04:38 PM

I'm sure he'll bring on Emerson

Posted by: Ry4n Mar 8 2009, 04:39 PM

Sheva on the touch line !

Posted by: Ry4n Mar 8 2009, 04:39 PM

Pippo off Sheva on

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 8 2009, 04:40 PM

first change sheva-pippo

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 8 2009, 04:40 PM

i hope for videuz for beckham

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 8 2009, 04:43 PM

pato should have scored there

Posted by: Ry4n Mar 8 2009, 04:43 PM

Bonera off Antonini on

Posted by: Ry4n Mar 8 2009, 04:47 PM

Vudez comming on !!

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 8 2009, 04:49 PM

quite late the sub i wanted

Posted by: Ry4n Mar 8 2009, 04:49 PM

Beckham off Vudez on !!

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 8 2009, 04:50 PM

FT 3-0 dont know how to feel abt videuz lol

Posted by: Ry4n Mar 8 2009, 04:50 PM

Ok thats a was a bit harsh on Vudez

FT good game all around Grande Pippo !!

Posted by: elcordobez Mar 8 2009, 04:50 PM

lol

Yay Viudez got 1 second

Posted by: Tennie Mar 8 2009, 04:50 PM

So....FT Pippo 3 - 0 Atalanta.

Finally a clean sheet.

Posted by: Zed.D Mar 8 2009, 04:51 PM

I'm sorry but Carlo is absolutely stupid. wtf was that?!!!!!

Posted by: mishie Mar 8 2009, 04:52 PM

not a vintage performance...but one for the coach me thinks...at least they still love Carlo

Posted by: mishie Mar 8 2009, 04:52 PM

its called seeing out the game

Posted by: Tennie Mar 8 2009, 04:53 PM

wow, zeddie, you hate carlo, don't like the subs, and predict snarky things for the postmatch. In a game, I will note, we won 3-0, keeping a clean sheet.

Perhaps this might be a time to celebrate a good and needed win?

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 8 2009, 04:55 PM

very important one aswell bcoz the next 3 teams behind us all dropped points

Posted by: dst Mar 8 2009, 04:59 PM

Hee-hee! Sweet victory! Clean sheet and a hat-trick!

I'm going to download this game in Sky Italia HD quality, name it 'The no Seedorf and 2 Strikers Game' and watch it till my eyes bleed!!!

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 8 2009, 04:59 PM

You mean Ancelotti should have blown the final whistle a bit later on?

Posted by: Zed.D Mar 8 2009, 04:59 PM

Well, actually I hate it when after a couple of horrible games, we win 3-0 or 5-0 and people [not us, them!] forget everything.

Don't like the subs? did you really like what Carlo just did to Viudez? I think that could really affect the kid in a negative way. but that's Carlo, what am I expecting? to give the kids more than 2-3 minutes to play..?

Congrats to Pippo for the hattrick though.


Should have sent the kid on just a few minutes earlier. perhaps in the 80th minutes when we were 3-0 up.

Posted by: vahid Mar 8 2009, 05:01 PM

Posted by: Tennie Mar 8 2009, 05:02 PM

wow, that's damning him with faint praise.

And yet more criticism about other stuff. We DID win the game.

I'm going to extract myself from this dissection of the Many Faults Of Ancelotti, however. Feel free to pick the coach apart for every perceived fault if you like, but I'm going to celebrate the win.

Posted by: mishie Mar 8 2009, 05:02 PM

well by my reckoning both teams used 3 subs so 30 seconds per sub mean 3 mins but no time was added so is that Carlo's fault as well

Posted by: dst Mar 8 2009, 05:04 PM

Man, I've grown really tired of Ancelotti but you're exaggerating as much as possible here!

"what Carlo just did to Viudez"? If I did not know I'd think he had killed his parents or something.

and "really affect the kid"? I understand, the kid just saw his parents getting killed! The worst case scenario is that he will be a bit disappointed tonight... but then that will probably make him try even harder in training.

I'd LOVE to see Viudez and Darmian come on earlier in the game but come on now...

Posted by: armiss Mar 8 2009, 05:05 PM

No one forget anything , you are always dreaming Carlo out , in win or defeat , in Offside or in Handball , in corner or in nothing .... !!!!???? for u every thing happens in this world is a sign of Carlo out !!

Posted by: Zed.D Mar 8 2009, 05:06 PM

A substitute like that was clearly a stroke of genius. what a fool I am to criticize that! forget it let's celebrate the win.

Posted by: mishie Mar 8 2009, 05:10 PM

you've completely lost me man...what are subs for, to change the game use time etc etc...did you see the boys face as he was coming off...he was smiling and laughing so he saw the funny side of the situation perhaps you should

Posted by: armiss Mar 8 2009, 05:11 PM

I think "Seeing Carlo out in everything" has more Extra Stroke of Genius, Baby !!

Posted by: Zed.D Mar 8 2009, 05:14 PM

(Even when I want to end it, people continue )

Yeah he was smiling but I don't think he was really smiling!! he was just pretending that something cool had happen.

Haven't you ever been in such a situation before yourself?

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2009, 05:15 PM

I'm not on the negative or the positive side.

I'm very happy that we won and that some pressure has been eased, but having said that this does not mean that we there is no crises, like we dreamt up the last month, because that is what Galliani and Carlo will try to feed the fans "There was never a crises, just people blowing things out of proportion"

Yes we won 3-0, but at the 60th minute mark we were still at 1-0 hanging on by a thread, and playing like we usuallu do, weak in defence, losing the ball in midfield and inviting pressure on our selves, personally I did not see any improvment on our part. Pippo on the other hand is our only improvement, had he not put his good boots on today like he hadn't been these past few weeks then we wouldn't have won.

Also a big thanks to Abbiati for saving our @sses multiple times whenever our defence completely fell asleep.

This is what really worries me, we win a game by a good margin thanks to isolated moments in the game instead of an overall good performance and suddenly all the problems are apperantly gone accoring to our management, then 2 weeks at the most pass and we're back to where we were just a week ago, in total mishap.

All I'm saying is let's not get ahead of ourselves, we've seen this scenario play out many times and as the saying goes "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice..."

Posted by: armiss Mar 8 2009, 05:16 PM

Oh , Really ? so if you want to stop, people must stop , and if you want to sleep people must sleep, dream on !!

Posted by: mishie Mar 8 2009, 05:17 PM

lets be cool about this and just discuss this
so when is a smile not a smile?
and yes i have been put on in a game with seconds left, it was frustrating but nothing more just made me work harder to make sure i earned a staring place for the following week

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2009, 05:18 PM

I don't see it as a negatvie thing or a positive thing, but I do think that Viudez should have atleast come on when the Sheva -> Pippo sub happened. Atleast he would have hotten 10 minutes...

These results are what most of us wait for so that the young ones can come in when the game is a sure win for us and they won't have any pressure, I personally don't see it as zd does, but I am disappointed to see that Carlo did not pout him on a bit earlier since the score was at 3-0 by th 75th minute

Posted by: mishie Mar 8 2009, 05:20 PM

didn't say i agreed with Carlo's decision i just have seen the funny side of it...and without meaning any harm to Zed just thought he was over reacting just a tad thats all

Posted by: Tennie Mar 8 2009, 05:20 PM

Fishdoll +2 cookies to the penguins. they've clearly influenced han to write this nicely thought out and balanced post.

(Fishdoll hasn't forgotten the fantasy world comment, han!)

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2009, 05:27 PM

Thankyou for the cookies

Just want to add that I think that fishdoll is getting overly sensitve and that I was right But atleast he's enjoying himself in fantasy world, I'm assuming there's all kinds of great things there, like a Milan line-up with the kids getting a chance instead of the Emerson's, Senderos's and Kaladze's taking their place, and there are naked fishdoll ladies lounging around, that like to talk about football. I hope he's having fun, but I think you should tell him to snap out of it every once in a while

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 8 2009, 05:30 PM

I wasn't. I'm a winner, I never have to smile and pretend.


Today we're all full of counter-attacks, aren't we?

Funny thing is 90 minutes played, 3-0 won, and yet we talk and talk about a few seconds.
Well I'll be releaved the day Ancelotti leaves and the next guy comes in; I'm just curious if and when will he get the same treatmen Ancelotti get's here.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2009, 05:39 PM

I don't understand why there's conflict going on today

We won yes, I'm very happy about it, but am I entirely satisfied with the team and coach? No I haven't felt that way in years to tell you the truth.

Do I think that this win means happy rainbows and raining of flowers (don't ask)? No.

Imo this win only serves to ease the tension that was starting suffocate everyone involved, but I don't think it means that any of the problems EVERYONE admitted to a week ago are solved.

Am I happy with the fact that Viudez only managed to put one foot on the other side of the white line before the final whistle? No, I think that Carlo could have put in the effert and given him and Darmian at least 15 minutes today once Pippo sealed our victory.

Do I think that all our problems are resolved and this win means that there was never a crises and Carlo should still have his spot by the end of next summer? No. I think change should be an inevitable outcome of the summer, both in the managerial department and the player department. But atm Carlo is our coach until the end of the season, no matter what happens he will be our coach, and we should get beind him (FOR NOW) until the end of the season and hope we mange the 4th or 3rd spot, because not making the CL for another season would be a disaster for this team.

Posted by: I_Rossoneri Mar 8 2009, 05:41 PM

I concur

Posted by: kurtsimonw Mar 8 2009, 05:54 PM

Not good enough, we missed Seedorf..

Posted by: Tennie Mar 8 2009, 05:55 PM

(Before anyone asks, no. Kurt was NOT watching the game from Fishdoll's fantasy world).

Posted by: han2503 Mar 8 2009, 05:58 PM

ooooooo

dst's going to get you for that.

Posted by: dst Mar 8 2009, 05:59 PM

Two more notes

Kudos to the linesman for not calling offside on our two second half galls, both looked clearly offside to me at first and the second was tough cause the defender was behind Zambrotta. It's good to know there are some people who can do the job right!

This is probably the only game of the season when we played better in the second half. And I'm not talking about the goals, we looked a lot more vulnerable in the first half.

Yeah, we were unable to slow our game down to immobility, it's clear we can't do that without Seedorf.

Posted by: MizNelson Mar 8 2009, 06:02 PM

Nice.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Mar 8 2009, 06:04 PM

Somehow I knew you'd have to respond.

Great to see Pippo doing a job today!

Posted by: dst Mar 8 2009, 06:07 PM

You're a genius... of course I would respond, it was predictable. And again...

Posted by: Warchant Mar 8 2009, 06:58 PM

dang it! i was going to watch the FSC delayed replay of the game, but I saw the score go across the sports ticker on ESPN. oh well, it least i can watch it without stressing out again.

Posted by: Rivaldo Mar 8 2009, 07:04 PM

It was Pippo-Day

Posted by: Zed.D Mar 8 2009, 07:04 PM

Did you play in a team full of world class champions too? believe me when I say the negative of that sub outweighs the positive.






Actually I did overreact (heat of the moment! I apologize for that); and I share han's opinion. we were winning 3-0 and Viudez could've come on at least 10 minutes before the end. these opportunities don't come our way very often. I'm can't understand why Carlo is soooo strict on giving the kids a half decent chance.


Is this Mourinho speaking?!

Posted by: Habitant Mar 8 2009, 10:20 PM

hahaha good old pippo.

oh and no fat **** seedorf = 3-0 win

obviously we desperately need his genius, imagine if we actually went out there and got a suitable replacement EI vander vaart