[Milan Are Brilli...]

Yep, why the hell do they make us wait 3 weeks for the final??

To rub it in the best team in England's faces? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif)

[misha]

Champions League - Will the true champions please stand up?

Champions League - There was a collective national patting on the back in England when three of its teams secured Champions League semi-final slots. Now Milan are champions: eurosport.yahoo.com's Jonathan Symcox wonders whether European competition is indeed an accurate assessment of domestic prowess.

Milan are champions of Europe while their city rivals Internazionale have laid claim to the Scudetto in emphatic fashion. Just who, exactly, is on top?

The issue is more wide ranging than that, of course. There are two competitions that are composed of teams from different areas of the previous season's league tables. The Champions League of course is contested by the cream - and that is where we shall start.

Milan were confident of winning the tournament as England celebrated their triumvirate of superclubs, a response dismissed by some via law of averages and others who saw in Manchester United's demolition of Roma an unstoppable force. Perhaps United did not do enough to stop Kaka, believing themselves capable of sweeping aside the Rossoneri: well, we all know what happened over the two legs.

United proved to be the best team in England over the season - six points ahead of Chelsea by the end - and were undone by a Milan team that will finish third or fourth in Serie A. When you add on the eight points that they were docked at the beginning of the campaign, they would simply have been guaranteed third position, still a massive 25 points behind champions Inter: not all that strong domestically for the top dog in Europe.

Does that mean that Italy's league is once again the best? Perhaps not. Inter came a cropper - albeit on the away goals rule - at the hands of Valencia, the fourth team in the Liga title race and completely out of it until a recent surge in form, if only four point off the summit with three matches left to play.

Valencia were just knocked out by Chelsea, the winners of the previous two Premiership titles and second this time around. Now we might be onto something here: the three English teams in the last four represented the top three in the domestic championship, surely a measure of strength?

Well... Liverpool had 21 points less than the Red Devils after the conclusion of the bread and butter, as it is so often called by apparently sincere managers while others such as Rafa Benitez openly rest key men ahead of midweek action. Again, hardly the form of the best club on the continent; plus they famously won it in 2005 alongside a fifth-placed effort, remarkably below rivals Everton in the Prem.

Benitez obviously values the Champions League above the Premiership, while perhaps Chelsea leaned that way this year as they sought continental recognition; Man Utd were unfortunate but desperate for domestic success first and foremost. Rafa's policy paid off for him.

The Spanish dailies claimed their own niche of success with three teams in the UEFA Cup semis and both finalists. However in the big one holders Barcelona were eliminated by finalists Liverpool earlier on and Real Madrid, who are joint-top with the Blaugrana in that ongoing title race, lost out spectacularly to Bayern Munich, only fourth in the Bundesliga.

Sevilla, who retained the UEFA Cup on penalty kicks, are right there in the reckoning for the title and bring a measure of authenticity to the argument, but look at the others: Espanyol, who were so close in Glasgow, are 12th in the table and Osasuna, slayers of Werder Bremen in the semi-finals, 14th. Throw in the mantle of 'The title no one wants to win', true until very recently as the top three threw away points willy-nilly, and it doesn't look too clever on the Iberian peninsula.

Milan did not face a Spanish side on their path to Athens and merely disposed of Scottish champions Celtic - no disrespect to the SPL, but it is not rated in European terms - and a relatively poor Bayern side. The redemption came against Manchester United.

What we can conclude ultimately is that the European success stories are too often lived by clubs on the fringes of their domestic titles at best: a classic cup format, in fact. The uncertainty in the final stages is exciting and not unlike the old knockout format in some respects, yet then all the protagonists were champions and often headed for another title. The distribution of achievement is good in a competition such as the FA Cup; but in Europe, we want to witness the champions and runners-up of each country going head to head, not first versus fourth and 12th versus seventh.

This is unlikely to change a great deal even under the UEFA stewardship of Michel Platini, who has advocated a reduction in those qualifying for the CL from the top leagues.

We can console ourselves with the acceptance that under the current conditions, we are unlikely to move to a European-wide league, which would surely kill off interest among many fans who simply do not have the funds or inclination to watch their team play in Italy one week, France the next. But the 'Champions League'? The name is erroneous: not only were there no champions in Athens, but no one even close to being so.

In my opinion Inter are the true champions, as are Manchester United; and in Spain at least the title is now all-important, especially for the old rivals from Catalonia and Castilla.

Jonathan Symcox, Eurosport

[Rossoneri7]

Bullsh1t (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)

Milan are the protagonists !!! Milan always fights for two titles. Fot the past 3 years Milan has been constantly finishing top 3 and at the top 4 in the CL !!!

What is this muther f@cker talking about ?? If he is trying to make our CL triumph in Athena seem weak, well we have 7 triumphs to date and no english team can compete. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

[kurtsimonw]

The name is erroneous: not only were there no champions in Athens, but no one even close to being so.

In my opinion Inter are the true champions, as are Manchester United.

How can anyone disrespect the European Champions like that?

Inter got given a head start. Manchester United ALWAYS get given a head start with their special rules. We ripped Manchester United apart over 2 legs, but they're better than us?

Did anybody do anything like this when Liverpool won the CL but failed to finish in a top 4 position? No. I'm getting real sick of this 'English teams are the best' attitude. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)

This post has been edited by kurtsimonw: Jun 3 2007, 02:28 PM

[dst]

Thank you, Jonathan Dim-Cocks!!

Although it IS true that if we had given everything to fight for the Scudetto we wouldn't be in the Final with this team...

IMO United, Chelsea and even Sevilla have had a better season than us.

What's irritating is what Kurt said; noone talked about these things two years ago... (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

This post has been edited by dst: Jun 3 2007, 03:06 PM

[misha]

Although it IS true that if we had given everything to fight for the Scudetto we wouldn't be in the Final with this team...

Yeah on that point he's right. Liverpool and Milan had the chance to rest players in the league games while Chelsea and United were battling for the EPL title too. It's a big advantage. The season before we were fighting for the two titles and players were tired in the decisive games.

To win it all next season we need a better balance between the young and old players which we don't have right now.The team is too old (No I don't want us to be like Arsenal. Just to balancing thing a little) . Some players don't have the motivation to fight against small team but ,of course, they play great against big teams. I really want us to win the Serie A. We only won it 2 time in the last 11 years. Maybe a few young players who are hungry and motivated won't be such a bad idea.

[redbabies]

I've read this article some days ago, and tried to send an email or comment for this article but coulnd find anything related to that f@cking jealos stupid writter.

Just to remember: Milan is the UEFA 2007 Champions League Winner. THATS IT! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devil.gif)

And, oh yes, when I saw 7 cups in San Siro the celebration day seemed to me like 7 wonders of the world.

[Rossoneri7]

I've read this article some days ago, and tried to send an email or comment for this article but coulnd find anything related to that f@cking jealos stupid writter.

Just to remember: Milan is the UEFA 2007 Champions League Winner. THATS IT!  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devil.gif)

And, oh yes, when I saw 7 cups in San Siro the celebration day seemed to me like 7 wonders of the world.

(IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[arivanjj]

MILAN REIGN IN EUROPE - @acmilan.com

MILAN - Just one click and you will see which side has been ranked top in Europe over the last five years. It has been an amazing time for Milan who have confirmed their place as number one in the continent. In the top ten, there are four English sides, three Spanish, two Italian and one French team.

UEFA draw up the club coefficient at the end of each season and is determined by the results of a club in European club competition in the last five seasons, and the league coefficient. The club coefficient is 33% of the league coefficient plus the number of points earned by the club in the five seasons. This ranking is used by UEFA to determine which pot the club belongs to in the preliminary and first rounds of the Champions League, and the preliminary, first and second rounds of the UEFA Cup.

2007-2008 Seeding

[Rossoneri7]

Milan have been #1 for sometime now and will remain #1 (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devilsmiley.gif)

[Portman]

Milan have been #1 for sometime now and will remain #1 (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devilsmiley.gif)

Since 2005. From 2000 to 2005 it was R.Madrid.

[Rossoneri7]

Since 2005. From 2000 to 2005 it was R.Madrid.

Since 05 ... Really, didn't know that .. I always thought since 03

p.s. records aside, we have been the best European team over the past 5 years .. 2 CL and 1 Scudetto, 1 WCW and 1 Euro super cup, 1 Coppa Italia and 1 Italian super cup. This is not counting how many times we were runners up over the past 5 years (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif)

[LaPalma]

Since 05 ... Really, didn't know that ..  I always thought since 03

p.s. records aside, we have been the best European team over the past 5 years .. 2 CL  and 1 Scudetto, 1 WCW and 1 Euro super cup, 1 Coppa Italia and 1 Italian super cup. This is not counting how many times we were runners up over the past 5 years (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif)

I'd say that we're the best team of the last 20 years....5 CL s, 7 Scudetti, Some european supercups...and even the Coppa Italia (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Rossoneri7]

I'd say that we're the best team of the last 20 years....5 CL s, 7 Scudetti, Some european supercups...and even the Coppa Italia (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Of course (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devilsmiley.gif) we are the best team in the past 20 years. Today, Milan is the most decorated club on the international stage (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif)

This post has been edited by Rossoneri7: Jun 17 2007, 01:33 AM

[dst]

Since 2005. From 2000 to 2005 it was R.Madrid.

Yeah your team thrived when noone was there to compete with them! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Only Giuve and Bayern were there and still they were mediocre teams!

Well done! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)